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so your ship is essentailly a settlement with less features for customizations on the interior of the ship. the exteriour is very detailed, but the inside is limited and has no functionality changes that you can make like the exterior building menu.
I need to look at your vid list but if your motivated to show comparisons. I wouldn’t mind seeing all the habs. I was a little curious if the lader deletes anything. I did find a bug with one of the 2x3 or 3x2 mess halls. Forget which but there was a floating object. I noticed it from a window but even without the window it didn’t match the contents of the shelf either. It was like a floating bed in a Star citizen hanger.
@@ReinQuest It wouldn't be possible to show ALL Habs in one video as you can't build a Ship Jig that large. I'd have to cut out clips from all my other videos then smash them together like a supercut. I'm not against doing so but it won't be right away.
Gotta make it accurate. You wouldn't get to see the inside as it was built, you'd have to wait for the ship to be birthed by a giant space whale that took your requests into mind.
Having actually worked in a shipboard armory in the Navy, the Stroud is actually the most true to form. An actual armory isn't going to have display stands sitting around to show off the gear. In fact the Stroud could only be made more realistic by turning the weapon racks into lockable weapon cabinets, course then you'd think it was really boring. And from an armorers perspective the large open area in the middle with the small but somewhat decent amount of desk space, especially compared to the others, is nice since I'm well aware of how difficult is is to maneuver around some of the larger caliber weapons in a cramped space, and having the space to disassemble, inspect, clean etc. is always welcome, could actually make that desk there a bit larger realistically, more flat space to lay a weapon out on.
It baffles me also that they implemented a brig within the armory. I mean, if you want to avoid anything then it is that the inmate is going to grab a gun right after he overwhelms his guard, or like casually walking outside of the cell. And then in the cell they put like all this stuff an inmate could use to overwhelm his guard. I also dont like that it is so busy in the holding cell. Like lots of places you can hide something.
You might already know this, but it should probably be mentioned. There are only 3 sets of interiors, those being Deimos/Stroud, Taiyo/Hopetech, and then Nova. The only difference between the pairs (Deimos/Stroud and Taiyo/Hopetech) are the color and lighting.
The portholes came in handy for my docking room. Feels better empty than having clutter everywhere. Imagine inviting some vip onboard and the first thing they see is luggage and gear strewn about! Also felt proper to have a view outside from that room.
That's the very point of these videos (the Hab comparisons) to show people where would be the best location (for them) to place a porthole or door so that they don't lose the interior things they like but are able to delete interior items they don't care about.
You were absolutely correct, I love my portholes, being able to see outside the ship is a great aesthetic and something I like to do on all my builds that I use for rp'ing passenger transports. I had no idea though they would change the layout of the hab so much, thank you for this, I will definitely be using portholes more sparingly from now on. Subbed.
You are most welcome. There will be more to come as this kind of nerdy stuff in games is what I do. I figure it this way, if it annoys me, then it must annoy someone else out there too.
I love this series of videos. Saves me from having to make my own versions of these ships to see the differences. Helps me plan my little home ship. Also, I'm fairly certain the thing you called a vacuum cleaner is actually supposed to be a carry case for a boost pack, at least, that's what I've always seen them as.
@@sethgoldberg3300 But even then: Make it lockable,... maybe? I know in the pilot episode of "The Mandalorian" that blue man got downstairs with the excuse he needed to use the toilet, only to push buttons and find all the guns. But thats not the point. Its stupid design and not even a flinch realistic.
@@sethgoldberg3300 there are still better options than the armory for a brig. you could make a 2x1 all in one crew quarters with part of it being a brig instead.
@signolias100 but are you just cosplaying then, or does that one have the cell too? I don't remember if any of the manufacturers have a cell in their 2x1 all-in-one. There's a 2x2 brig. 🤔
I really like the Nova Galactic mannequins, but the HopeTech Brig makes more sense for my Pirate/Undercover playthrough. Much love to whoever designed all these interiors, they could have made certain stuff a little better but they're really good. Really hoping they release more of these hab interiors as DLC including interior customization (cough cough modders cough cough)
I love that you set all of these up where you enter through a ladder! It makes it so much easier to see the FULL interior. Other videos I've watched enter via a door and I've noticed it can change the set up a lot, especially for Taiyo/HopeTech habs. Thank you for these videos!
I watched tons of those too, before making this series of videos. I was doing something, building some Ship, and it just snapped in my head that we were likely all deleting interior bits without realizing it. Using the ladder to enter was the safest way to ensure the least amount of interior intrusion into the Habs.
it's already annoying how they do a cell reset and move everything to cargo whenever you modify the ship, can you imagine how frustrating it'd be to lose all you custom decorations too? (I get why, tracking everything and what happens when you alter the ship design with be a pita to code and huge room for bugs to happen and stuff to get lost)
I wish brigs would let us transport convicts for cash like living spaces let us transport passengers for cash. Would also be cool if we could knock out bounty targets with EM weapons, handcuff them, and take them alive by sticking them in the brig. Get bigger payouts for live delivery as a bounty hunter.
"Haha, who's putting portholes all around their Habs?" Me. That would be me. Putting my captain's quarters alone on the top floor so I can have 360 windows.
I wish there was a mod that lets us view the inside while we're in the ship builder, because sometimes it's a hassle to have to put all the required parts in to complete it and just to view how it ended up with the doors and windows.
Amazing: thank you so much for doing these videos I spent like 90 mins making a ship last night and messed it all up, but then today I've found your vids, so will have another crack at the build tonight and know what to expect (and probably re-arrange things a load from how I originally did it - thank you previous save file, too)
I did the same thing, which is what lead me to make this video. I figured if I messed it up and didn't realize how much of the interior I was inadvertently deleting, then maybe others were in the same boat.
For those who are attracted to the Nova Galactic mannequins. If you are a player who changed ships often (or hijack enemy ships) each time you switch ships, everything on the mannequins gets put into your cargo.
Ya bud thank you soo much for taking all the time and effort for all of us to make these videos, I can tell it must’ve been painstaking to make and put together. The tours are awesome too!
I hate ladders. So I figured out how to build a 2 layer ship with no ladders. Here's how: use the cockpit with the staircase. And use the Hope hab spacers. This way your bottom and top layer habs will never touch. Enjoy your ladder free ship!! BTW, This is a great video for any ship building enthusiast. Good stuff!
The real struggle is when you want to bundle rooms together without passageway. The game will just generate doors and ladders at some weird position, making your ship turn in an hell maze. I spent hours this week end just juggling rooms around trying to get a layout where the doors and ladder would make any kind of sens. I just wish we could choose ourselves where the doors and ladders would be for each rooms.
You cant do much about doors, but I noticed with ladders, a 1x1 Companionway forces the ladder to prioritise that room. It doesnt with a 1x1 storeroom - thats the difference. So what I do is stack 1x1 compionways at the back of my ship and voila, a huge ladder all the way up and down. You have to make sure all other 1x1s on your ship are storerooms though.
Its tricky, but you can get hallway peices that arnt room, just the hallway, and they will always force the doorwat to those. Takes some planning to get a decent layout though.
Real awesome vid! This is one of the "puzzle" aspects I'm kind of enjoying about the starship building process. Going in once you "completed" your build, and noticing how some habs just don't feel 'perfect', to going back into editing and moving your habs around and seeing how much they change from simply being placed differently or adding/removing a window; maybe I'm too perfectionnist, but I don't know, I kind of enjoy the process.
Great video! I think this is definitely one of the things that even some experienced ship-builders don't consciously think about. I expect most of us (me included) just felt like these interiors were somewhat randomized. With that said, I've never made much use of the racks and mannequins. I WOULD if Starfield didn't automatically put all items into cargo every time you update your ship! Since I'm constantly tweaking and playing with my ship designs, all my carefully-placed packs, helmets, suits and weapons are constantly getting tossed into cargo. So, I eventually gave up on using any of it. Maybe one day I'll find a ship I like enough to leave alone. LOL
Thanks for this. I didn't consider this stuff. Considering the wall storage is purely cosmetic, I don't care as much about losing that, but losing weapon racks is something I would not want. And it looks like from the build that the "rear" of the modules is what's important. Some side notes: I found it amusing that you seemed to like Daimos but detest Stroud Eklund. They are the same layout. The only real difference is a large case vs. small case. The rest is lighting and section dividers. Also, while I also like Nova Galactic, mostly for the mannequins (they are the only armory to have them), the helmet stand is in a terrible place on that shelf, causing helmets to clip through the upper shelf. I haven't had any issues with the mannequins. I actually have a couple of armors in their inventory and I select which to equip. The only thing to keep in mind, is that whenever I modify the ship, it gives that warning that everything moves to ship cargo bay. When that happens, the armor in the mannequins vanishes. Over time, the habs repopulate their clutter, but I take out the mannequin armor and weapons off the racks and cases before modifying my ship since I'm scared they won't repopulate. Then I add them back. I have yet to test if they come back with armor I don't care about.
Stroud makes me think of the gun rooms in those movies where someone pulls a book and has a room full of guns, its plain and sterile and strictly about making the dakka ready for use.
i'm a firm believer in if it's an armory it should be for weapons and armor only. taiho and hopetech armories do not appeal to me as the idea of putting your troublemakers in the same hab as your weapons and armor just sounds like a bad idea. i enjoy the Stroud styling as it and deimos both feel the most like armories. i'd like to have seen a door blocking off the area with the weapon racks as if it were a weapons cage or vault instead of just a divider. as for nova, i feel the space isn't utilized as well as it could be. i understand it is a spaceship and space needs to be used efficiently, but it looks more like it's a cargo container instead of an armory.
you're doing the Lord's work. Bethesda REALLY needs to let us tour a ship before committing to the changes... I had a porthole kill off a whole ass pool table once. I noped that out real f'ing quick lol, it was a floor one, too. It stayed with the side window, thankfully.
they need to make the 1 by 1 habs have way more then just storage all the time. maybe make a cozy little 1 by 1 that has beds bathrooms kitchen, or small armory, small workshop with workstations on the sides. i think its a wast for those of us that want a small ship but are forced to install a 2 by 1 or 3 by 1 just to get the interior that we need. maybe they’ll fix it in a mod. Who knows.
Me either until the day before I made this video. Once it "clicked" in my head that I myself was deleting interiors by willy nilly placing Portholes everywhere, that's when I decided to show the world as it were.
Hope Tech is Taiyo in dark mode, lol! Been wanting a mini-brig, and had no idea these existed. I don't bother with armories, because I work on my ships enough that everything keeps getting sent back to the cargo hold. My armory is at my home base, not my ship, but a mini brig might be nice instead of my big 2x2 brig.
That's my take on it, the mini Brig + Armory takes up less space and pulls double duty. Granted those saying it's not wise to put prisoners near weapons are correct.
u can with consol commands i seen a youtuber do it makes it so u can place anything like u can at an outpost but on your ship that should be a natural eliment in the game
For the most part you can control where the doors go by when you add the pieces together... first connect the pieces you want the door on, them select both pieces and move them where they go on the ship.
Thanks for these videos! First time I build a ship I decided by the looks of the modules from the outside and I really hated the interiours of my ship once I was finished.. but I was too broke to change it again for some time. These videos will help me in future ship builds!
Alright, I was going to say that this was okay, probably poke fun at the mic quality, but honestly this is the most detailed, informative video I've seen for this game. And I see you have other videos. Sunofabish I'm in
The biggest thing i hate about the armory's is, ever time you chand the smallest detail to you ship it stores everything in the cargo bay. Even if you dont chang living areas. Want to add a jammer? Everything to cargo. So annoying to set up every time.
The deimos armory gained one of the giant weapons crates in place of the wall weapons mounts you lose. Normally the crate to the right on the floor is just a small 10 mass crate. But once you lose the racks you gain a 150 mass crate in their place. Actually seems like an upgrade with the windows.
I spent hours sorting out my armoury... I then captured a ship, switched back and it was all in the cargo hold...same happens if you edit the ship seems little point in decorating your ship at mo
Starfield definitely missed the mark on the majority of the pieces. I’d like to see more open concept rooms with stairs options, higher ceilings and the ability to view and choose more layout options before you finalize the build.
A "Preview" option would be fantastic! And yeah, with Fallout 4 having such a robust base building system 8 years ago it's a head scratchier why Starfield's building system seems so lacking... and many times super frustrating. I know Modders will fix it all, but they shouldn't have to.
Wait about a year for DLCs and mods and all those things will likely be available. Starfield, like every bethesda game, is at its worst and most barebone at launch. it usually takes years for a Bethesda game to mature to its full potential.
@@delindsay honestly i just hope at some point we get to build actual capital ships... that exceed the 80x80 build limit (but must have a hangar for a light craft to land on planets ect)... i mean... why else does the loading screen say "ships larger than 80x80 cant land on a planet" when you cant build ships larger than that (without mods anyways)
@@arcanumelite4853 DLC maybe? I know from all I watched leading up to it's release that Bethesda plans Starfield to continue for at least 10 years so I can only imagine what's coming for it down the road.
I like to put them on the bottom too. Never use an armory, I am used to "saving" the bed in the all in ones. Although I usually swap the hab itself to the other side of the ship, as opposed to not having a porthole where I can.
@@delindsay The one I noticed was on the mess halls. I put roof windows in the middle of the 2x3 nova mess hall (the wider one) and it deletes the tables.
@@DjDayOne That's certainly an odd chance, considering there is no effect to the furniture on the floor when a ceiling window is placed above them. Maybe it's a hitbox collision issue.
Great vid! Obviously, a lot of time and effort went into this. I cant trust storing things in the mannequins(Nova Tech) as I lost some decent secondary gear. It completely vanished, not just the display appearance, but was removed from the inventory. The caveat here is I did have more than one suit stored on the mannequin. My reasoning was the mass it allows per mannequin is more than a single full suit weighs, so I thought it would be safe. The whole inventory thing has me annoyed though. They allow you to decorate your ship with cool stuff you find but every time you switch ships or modify anything, even if its not involving the area you are modifying, everything is moved back to the cargo. So tip for anyone new, dont bother placing items or even guns in cases until you are 100% finished modding that ship. And even them, as soon as you switch ships you’ll have to redo. I wish they would have taken a point or two from No Mans Sky on ship inventory. Though the outpost linking is far superior to having to travel to each of your bases in NMS. Once you figure out a good design flow of cabling between your extractors, storage and links, its pretty rad to see all the supply ships come in to one outpost and only have to make that one stop to get all your supplies.
Having your videos on in the background while playing the game has me spinning around every time I hear something LMAO. The spacial background of your game makes my brain think someone's behind me all the time
I love the Hope Tech one. It actually serves a purpose (bed) as I never use weapon cases since they get all jacked up and everything goes into your cargo anytime you modify your ship, so it seems pointless. I also like that it's the main module for the UC prison shuttle which makes the layout make more sense.
Wouldn't surprise me if someone had a hab with portholes on the sides and on the floor and on the ceiling. I saw a ship made entirely of bridges the other day.
I really liked the Taiyo armory because of the brig but man do I love the lighting so much better of the Hope tech one even tho they are identical otherwise.
My opinion is that nova has the most interesting habs (mostly) good examples are the armory, infirmary, workshop, 2x2 habitation and 2x2 battlecommand thingy.
Nova Galactic is the big winner in terms of functionality, and most Habs have an interesting look. For some of the larger Habs I'll throw in Deimos. I hate the lighting in Stroud-Eckland, while the general ugliness and wasted space of Taiyo and Hopetech has me avoiding them whenever possible.
A series of videos like this with other habs would be very useful, especially ones that get used a lot like captains quarters (who wouldn't want to know what the best CQ hab is?) - although seeing what you did I think players can follow your methods and just test specific ones they are interested in. Really wish the mass for pieces made more sense with connectors weighing very little. Would make much more sense as all they contribute is being able to specify where the doors go (which is really just fixing an inherent problem with ship building). Thanks for the effort! JW
Yes, thank you! This was the first of your videos I encountered, and after writing my comment I saw others. I subscribed and have been watching them - truly helpful!@@delindsay
The strout connected with windows is perfect for placing stuff (yes I play modded, it's a Bethesda game), yes it's boring open space but it's also well lit open space
I put an armory on the bottom of my ship so I opted to go for the hopetech version. One, I want it to be a bit darker. Two, I want a small brig on the bottom next to my loading bay/ docking hatch.
Nova on Titan has the white ones but they're only for Port-Stbd. HopeTech in Valo > Palvo has the black ones that add snap points. Those are Port-Stbd and Aft-Fore but are 14 mass each. They are listed under the Hab section.
This is the exact opposite of what I wanted. I took my first ship that was given to me and saw that it was furnished and I was like oh OK. Went to the dream home and was super happy with how empty it was and when I first created my own ship I was very disappointed that it wasn’t exactly a blank canvas for me to fit what I wanted into it. I have been disappointed with the ships because they aren’t empty and customizable on the interior. As well as the fact there’s no door and ladder manager
I would kill for something like that, each Hab being a pre-built "shell" that we then go inside with our Character and build out the walls/furniture/stations/etc.
They need to add a option like with the outpost building that you can change doorways and window options from inside a outpost, you should be able to do the same in a ship. As long as a Hab is connected where your looking you should be able to choose doorway/ladder etc
@@delindsay yeah like whoever was doing the outpost from inside didn't once think. Hmmmm maybe.... 😅🤣 Maybe will come as a later update as I fo hope more ship parts come along too. Would also love a way to personalise the inside. Maybe, a option for being given free range like in outposts and residential buildings you have to kit them yourself inside. But do make it a option as I do also like the "pre-mades"
@@cluelessgod97 I'm uncertain how difficult it'd be to code (if it's not already in the game) but my brain thinks all we'd need is Ship Templates to save/load so when we change Ships it doesn't move everything to the cargohold like it does now, preserving all the decorations Players laboriously placed.
@@delindsay yeah template format could work. I was thinking like when your in ship builder, there should be a option to go into "Internal Builder" and you can kit out there to each hab specific. But if you delete that hab will delete your internal placements. And it's saves to only one ship, so yes would mean having to kit each one, but ideally your making 1 major unique ship and others for other purposes maybe
@@cluelessgod97 Decorating out each Ship makes sense, just like when you have games that allow you to build Bases all over the place, they too need to be decorated separately.
Never ever ever use armories. I had a mission that forced me to escape the planet on another ship. This reset my home ship to the shuttle. When I switched back, ALL OF MY STUFF WAS GONE. The armory was empty and none of it was in my inventory. The armory module is dangerous.
I H-A-T-E that so much. Maybe even worse is when you change Home Ship to do some other thing then back to your main Ship and it takes all the flair items like pens and folders and shoves them in Misc in your Cargo hold. It's like 170 items, wtf Bethesda.
@@delindsayI actually am amused when all the loose crap gets shoved into cargo. With StarUI, there's a button to "Sell All in Category" so I can just sell the entire Misc category to a vendor and make an easy ~1000 credits off all that junk.
Not something I had thought of, so good to point out. As way of feedback, I personally would have preferred if you ordered the video to show a section followed immediately by the same section with the connections/portholes. By the time you got to the connections part of the video, I had forgotten what the previous vanilla section looked like.
interesting to see how they look with different connections, just wish we could define how they connect. it's my biggest problem with building ships in the game.
Yeah deffo, we should beable to set where doors and ladders will be placed, and if you set a door on a wall that can't have one due to intenals then it should error and be red. Pretty simple stuff. And from a developer standpoint it would be alot cheaper on code as it would cut out the auto generation of doors/ladders.
Mods will change thease for the better soon. A Utility Hab mod that lets you choose any of the parts from other habs, referbishing the sections should only be alowed wile landed at your outpost/base shipyard.
My biggest gripe is the fact that I seemingly can't control where a door is spawned when modules are side by side. A straighforward design became a maze by sheer unluck. I assumed that causeway module would have higher priority to have doors, so I could use it as an intersection, but no luck there either.
Warning to all: Do NOT put armor on the mannequins and then modify your ship. Your armor WILL disappear, at least mine did. I set the Mantis armor up in a Nova Galactic Armory and when I modified my ship the following day and 'All items were returned to invantory', my Mantis set was gone. So now I am without the Mantis armor in my save unless I NG+. Don't make the same mistake I made. If you REALLY want to display stuff, be diligent to grab it off the display before modifying your ship in the ship builder. I suggest an outpost armory if you wanna display stuff with less risk of loosing items. P.S. Gun Cases seemed to work, I did have my displayed guns returned to the ship inventory. But still risky, it is a Bethesda game after all.
Its also similar when you have any stacked items laying about, such as Ship Parts. I have a stack of 170+ ship parts that I place a table so it wont take up 1,700+ room in cargo. I have like 12 in cargo when needed. When I modded my ship it placed it in cargo alright, but it placed ONE. It saw the stack as one item not 170+. Fortunately I save right before modding. Now when I mod, I first put any stacks of items laying about in my Inv to avoid that. Would do the same for any weapon / suit storage unit items
Thank you. I have 200 hours in but haven't mastered ship building yet. When I started, they said if you store weapons on racks or cases on your ship, you will lose them. So I never have. Is that fixed now? I didn't see any on your racks but I assume that was just to show the build. Also whenever I go into ship builder, my computer crashes😢
I'm at 290 hours and I haven't mastered Ship building either lol. The Armory throwing all your displays into the carghold is supposed to be fixed yes. And yes, the video was to show how certain options in the game actually delete Hab interiors so placing a bunch of weapons on the racks wouldn't be in line with the topic.
It really feels to me like two completely different teams who never talked to each other did the outpost and ship parts of the game. They are so very similar in concept, yet very different in execution. On the outpost side you build blank modules then add the pieces you need to them, whereas on the ship side you choose between prefab modules with everything in them. The ship building would have been so much if it worked like the outposts. Just build an empty hab module then go inside it and add the stuff you need individually.
Thats because it was. The game was quite literally outsourced to TWENTY SEVEN different studios from the US to Canada to France, the UK, Belgium, Belarus and even Vietnam. So its no wonder the game just feels incomplete and disjointed.
Hi there, just found this video, great btw. IV looked but no one has made any video explaining the different style of the different manufacturers and how their ships tend to build. Think you can do some builds using singular company parts and explaining a bit about the companies?
There is a lot more to this actually. There are some habs where you lose things going up and down. Not to mention a lot of this actually has an effect on where your doors go when connecting habs. So when you cram all of your habs together in a tight box, you end up with this un navigable mess. Well, thats because the game is overwhelmed with connections and trying to take the interiors in account to decide where to put the connections. So if you want better layouts, learn the habs like this and reduce the number of connection points.
Indeed. Some of us think it's a 3D model issue where say a light on the ceiling over a table is actually part of the table model itself so placing a skylight nukes the table as well.
I get what your saying but I want to see outside and the windows we get suck already. I need a mod with a greenhouse/observation lounge that’s all glass. I know some want that display area on the ship but the boxes and racks are useless. They don’t hold much but also when you switch from exploration to combat or to cargo. It rips everything off and shoves it in the bay. Then you start over every time. So decorate your homes planet-side is my suggestion.
I'm sure Modders will end up creating a Ship building paradise once the Creation Club is out. Though, it sucks that we HAVE to wait for Modders to do what Bethesda should've already baked into the game.
I picked up the Skyview Penthouse on Neon yesterday and it has the option to decorate. Pretty much just limited Outpost management for furniture and such. It kinda sucks they didn't include this in the ship building. There are tons of things that could be done with just that little bit of functionality.
I found the Neon Penthouse to be a big disappointment, especially for the price you pay for it. Not even a bedroom for it, the 30k home in the well at least has a bedroom. Not to mention it can be decent if you decorate with with plants and such.
@@NetraAmorosi Yeah, the Neon home is a ripoff. At the opposite end, though it is a PITA to earn, the New Atlantis penthouse is probably the 'best' home. The house in 'The Core' in Akila City isn't bad either, with enough room to actually have the spaces you'd expect in a home.
thanks I appreciate this, I really hope that we are able to set where we want a door to be placed in the future as to not remove some of these room's features.
They could honestly make a 1x1 out of that Hope/Taiyo armory without losing any of its features, except maybe whateve ris deleted due to side pass-throughs - which would also make it very unique!
Thank you for making this. The ceiling windows at least interfere with the captains module of Hope Tech. The navigation desk disappear if you put a window over it.
Just a Thought. How about a series on building an Outpost. Do it in series of distinct sections. Like, Episode 1 set up the Landing pad and any attachments. Next episode (2) Power & Scanners. Next episode (3) Drilling rigs and storage, and so on. That way folks could watch episode 1 and then go do the piece. And then move to episode 2, 3 , 4 ,5 until we have a nice inter-system outpost. Last episodes could be system to system setup. But sure that the first 5, 6, or 7 are about having a nice simple outpost with just what you need. I have seen some youtube videos build a large complicated outpost intra system's cargo and when video is over, I haven't a clue how it was done.
That would certainly be an interesting series. I'm kind of waiting on BGS to "fix/update" Outposts before I jump too heavily into making videos about them. I'm good enough at building them for myself, just not certain I'm at a level of expertise to make videos informing others about the process.
This off topic but I noticed something today. I was using your vids to pick a new captsin quarters. You know how at one end of hopetech and taiyo they have a table and a usable navigation console? If you use a door anywhere on those habs both disappear. Although, I just started using placeable doors and that might be messing with it, now that I think about it.
I don't understand why YT put this comment into 'Held for review' but yeah, when it comes to door/ladder placement causing interior items to get nuked it's often super dumb (the way the game handles it).
@@wolfhors3_660 Certainly possible but even using all of the "best practices" for Door placement (outside of Mods), sometimes the game just does what it wants without rhyme or reason.
Thanks for the vid. I was just comparing these in game and only got through Deimos and Stroud before looking for a video on it. It seems that Deimos and Stroud habs are practically identical except for colour schemes and ambient noise. I'm surprised that they did the same copy paste for Hopetech and Taiyo.
Thanks for doing this. I am always agonizing over which armory to use. I finally just took it out because every time I change my ship it is going to put eeeeeeeverything i put on display back in cargo. Ugh. 🙄
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so your ship is essentailly a settlement with less features for customizations on the interior of the ship.
the exteriour is very detailed, but the inside is limited and has no functionality changes that you can make like the exterior building menu.
@@5226-p1e Interesting way to look at it.
I need to look at your vid list but if your motivated to show comparisons. I wouldn’t mind seeing all the habs. I was a little curious if the lader deletes anything.
I did find a bug with one of the 2x3 or 3x2 mess halls. Forget which but there was a floating object. I noticed it from a window but even without the window it didn’t match the contents of the shelf either. It was like a floating bed in a Star citizen hanger.
@@ReinQuest It wouldn't be possible to show ALL Habs in one video as you can't build a Ship Jig that large. I'd have to cut out clips from all my other videos then smash them together like a supercut. I'm not against doing so but it won't be right away.
@@delindsay the super cut would be cool but sounds like you have a couple videos or more. So I’ll look through your list.
Thank you for making this, it's so baffling that they don't let you see the interior before finalizing your ship
I 100% agree, makes no sense at all.
Gotta make it accurate. You wouldn't get to see the inside as it was built, you'd have to wait for the ship to be birthed by a giant space whale that took your requests into mind.
@@delindsayif they added like a walk through mode before you buy the ship... perfection
@@ians_mind its stupid is what it is.
@@ians_mindhow is that accurate? Are you talking about real life?
Having actually worked in a shipboard armory in the Navy, the Stroud is actually the most true to form. An actual armory isn't going to have display stands sitting around to show off the gear. In fact the Stroud could only be made more realistic by turning the weapon racks into lockable weapon cabinets, course then you'd think it was really boring. And from an armorers perspective the large open area in the middle with the small but somewhat decent amount of desk space, especially compared to the others, is nice since I'm well aware of how difficult is is to maneuver around some of the larger caliber weapons in a cramped space, and having the space to disassemble, inspect, clean etc. is always welcome, could actually make that desk there a bit larger realistically, more flat space to lay a weapon out on.
In game that desk needs to be a weapon mod station
@@JohnVanderbeck100% agree
Blows my mind that the hab where weapons are stored does not have a station for gunsmithing
It baffles me also that they implemented a brig within the armory. I mean, if you want to avoid anything then it is that the inmate is going to grab a gun right after he overwhelms his guard, or like casually walking outside of the cell. And then in the cell they put like all this stuff an inmate could use to overwhelm his guard. I also dont like that it is so busy in the holding cell. Like lots of places you can hide something.
For me, Stroud-Ekland has been my favorite Habs since all of them optimize walk space.
You might already know this, but it should probably be mentioned. There are only 3 sets of interiors, those being Deimos/Stroud, Taiyo/Hopetech, and then Nova. The only difference between the pairs (Deimos/Stroud and Taiyo/Hopetech) are the color and lighting.
That's true for the most part. As you can see in my latest video with the Computer Cores, there are differences between all 5.
Deimos and stroud difference is that deimos has a bigger box on the floor next to helmet case.
@@jeffreyong1159 Good catch.
The portholes came in handy for my docking room. Feels better empty than having clutter everywhere. Imagine inviting some vip onboard and the first thing they see is luggage and gear strewn about! Also felt proper to have a view outside from that room.
That's the very point of these videos (the Hab comparisons) to show people where would be the best location (for them) to place a porthole or door so that they don't lose the interior things they like but are able to delete interior items they don't care about.
You were absolutely correct, I love my portholes, being able to see outside the ship is a great aesthetic and something I like to do on all my builds that I use for rp'ing passenger transports. I had no idea though they would change the layout of the hab so much, thank you for this, I will definitely be using portholes more sparingly from now on. Subbed.
I had no idea either until the day before this video, which is why I made it, to help others who might not have known.
FINALLY a video showcasing interiors and accounting for all doors/windows possibilities. Bravo.
Thank you.
Genuinely, thank you, for taking the time and going to the trouble of making this for other people.
You are most welcome. There will be more to come as this kind of nerdy stuff in games is what I do. I figure it this way, if it annoys me, then it must annoy someone else out there too.
I love this series of videos. Saves me from having to make my own versions of these ships to see the differences. Helps me plan my little home ship.
Also, I'm fairly certain the thing you called a vacuum cleaner is actually supposed to be a carry case for a boost pack, at least, that's what I've always seen them as.
Its a dangerous idea to keep your brig in the armory! Seems like the captain would be asking for trouble.
Yea, someone else mentioned the same thing and honestly I didn't even think about that.
For a smaller ship, like the razor crest. Only have 2 or 3 rooms.
@@sethgoldberg3300 But even then: Make it lockable,... maybe? I know in the pilot episode of "The Mandalorian" that blue man got downstairs with the excuse he needed to use the toilet, only to push buttons and find all the guns. But thats not the point. Its stupid design and not even a flinch realistic.
@@sethgoldberg3300 there are still better options than the armory for a brig. you could make a 2x1 all in one crew quarters with part of it being a brig instead.
@signolias100 but are you just cosplaying then, or does that one have the cell too? I don't remember if any of the manufacturers have a cell in their 2x1 all-in-one. There's a 2x2 brig. 🤔
I really like the Nova Galactic mannequins, but the HopeTech Brig makes more sense for my Pirate/Undercover playthrough. Much love to whoever designed all these interiors, they could have made certain stuff a little better but they're really good.
Really hoping they release more of these hab interiors as DLC including interior customization (cough cough modders cough cough)
Oh, you know Modders are going to turn Starfield into Star Citizen 2.0.
I love that you set all of these up where you enter through a ladder! It makes it so much easier to see the FULL interior. Other videos I've watched enter via a door and I've noticed it can change the set up a lot, especially for Taiyo/HopeTech habs. Thank you for these videos!
I watched tons of those too, before making this series of videos. I was doing something, building some Ship, and it just snapped in my head that we were likely all deleting interior bits without realizing it. Using the ladder to enter was the safest way to ensure the least amount of interior intrusion into the Habs.
I really hope that they add in the ability to decorate your ship's interior. I have no idea why they didn't do that from the start.
because then they won't be able to charge you for a DLC that allows that
it's already annoying how they do a cell reset and move everything to cargo whenever you modify the ship, can you imagine how frustrating it'd be to lose all you custom decorations too?
(I get why, tracking everything and what happens when you alter the ship design with be a pita to code and huge room for bugs to happen and stuff to get lost)
Each hab comes already full of trash😂 anyway sometimes I drop some cute item around on my desk in the ship
@@leonazzvibesconsidering how this game can be modified by mods I think someone will come up with it
@@watchlover7750I always have a duck on nav console
I wish brigs would let us transport convicts for cash like living spaces let us transport passengers for cash.
Would also be cool if we could knock out bounty targets with EM weapons, handcuff them, and take them alive by sticking them in the brig. Get bigger payouts for live delivery as a bounty hunter.
I love this idea!
"Haha, who's putting portholes all around their Habs?" Me. That would be me. Putting my captain's quarters alone on the top floor so I can have 360 windows.
I used to do the same thing until I realized what it was doing to the interior.
I love the HopeTech´s idea of placing brig right next to a armory.
2 Birds, 1 Gun?
I wish there was a mod that lets us view the inside while we're in the ship builder, because sometimes it's a hassle to have to put all the required parts in to complete it and just to view how it ended up with the doors and windows.
I absolutely add windows every chance I get. I'll definetely be giving it more thought in the future. Here's hoping they add an observation deck soon!
Same.
Amazing: thank you so much for doing these videos
I spent like 90 mins making a ship last night and messed it all up, but then today I've found your vids, so will have another crack at the build tonight and know what to expect (and probably re-arrange things a load from how I originally did it - thank you previous save file, too)
I did the same thing, which is what lead me to make this video. I figured if I messed it up and didn't realize how much of the interior I was inadvertently deleting, then maybe others were in the same boat.
Taiyo = Hopetech, Deimos = Struckland, Nova. Only difference is the color schemes, and bridges iirc.
For those who are attracted to the Nova Galactic mannequins. If you are a player who changed ships often (or hijack enemy ships) each time you switch ships, everything on the mannequins gets put into your cargo.
Indeed, it's a pain.
Ya bud thank you soo much for taking all the time and effort for all of us to make these videos, I can tell it must’ve been painstaking to make and put together. The tours are awesome too!
Never played Starfield but great vid, I keep getting focused on the happy shark face backpack 😄
Ahahaha, I thought the same thing!
I hate ladders. So I figured out how to build a 2 layer ship with no ladders. Here's how: use the cockpit with the staircase. And use the Hope hab spacers. This way your bottom and top layer habs will never touch.
Enjoy your ladder free ship!!
BTW, This is a great video for any ship building enthusiast. Good stuff!
You are correct, that's the proper way to build with zero ladders, at this time in the game.
The real struggle is when you want to bundle rooms together without passageway. The game will just generate doors and ladders at some weird position, making your ship turn in an hell maze. I spent hours this week end just juggling rooms around trying to get a layout where the doors and ladder would make any kind of sens.
I just wish we could choose ourselves where the doors and ladders would be for each rooms.
You cant do much about doors, but I noticed with ladders, a 1x1 Companionway forces the ladder to prioritise that room. It doesnt with a 1x1 storeroom - thats the difference. So what I do is stack 1x1 compionways at the back of my ship and voila, a huge ladder all the way up and down. You have to make sure all other 1x1s on your ship are storerooms though.
I am at a point where i constantly get lost in my own ship because the door placement is shit.
As Stanger Danger said, companion ways helps priories doorways and ladders in that area but it is not perfect yet.
Its tricky, but you can get hallway peices that arnt room, just the hallway, and they will always force the doorwat to those. Takes some planning to get a decent layout though.
It seems the spot where you generate a piece at will result in it prioritizing generating a door/ladder at that point.
Xray vision for interior placement in hubs, as a part of the shipbuilder, would be great...
Agree 100%.
Real awesome vid! This is one of the "puzzle" aspects I'm kind of enjoying about the starship building process. Going in once you "completed" your build, and noticing how some habs just don't feel 'perfect', to going back into editing and moving your habs around and seeing how much they change from simply being placed differently or adding/removing a window; maybe I'm too perfectionnist, but I don't know, I kind of enjoy the process.
If only we had an option to 'Preview' before leaving the Ship builder.
Great video! I think this is definitely one of the things that even some experienced ship-builders don't consciously think about. I expect most of us (me included) just felt like these interiors were somewhat randomized.
With that said, I've never made much use of the racks and mannequins. I WOULD if Starfield didn't automatically put all items into cargo every time you update your ship! Since I'm constantly tweaking and playing with my ship designs, all my carefully-placed packs, helmets, suits and weapons are constantly getting tossed into cargo. So, I eventually gave up on using any of it.
Maybe one day I'll find a ship I like enough to leave alone. LOL
I'm one of them too, that's the reason I made this video when I figured it out for myself.
Thanks for this. I didn't consider this stuff. Considering the wall storage is purely cosmetic, I don't care as much about losing that, but losing weapon racks is something I would not want. And it looks like from the build that the "rear" of the modules is what's important.
Some side notes: I found it amusing that you seemed to like Daimos but detest Stroud Eklund. They are the same layout. The only real difference is a large case vs. small case. The rest is lighting and section dividers. Also, while I also like Nova Galactic, mostly for the mannequins (they are the only armory to have them), the helmet stand is in a terrible place on that shelf, causing helmets to clip through the upper shelf.
I haven't had any issues with the mannequins. I actually have a couple of armors in their inventory and I select which to equip. The only thing to keep in mind, is that whenever I modify the ship, it gives that warning that everything moves to ship cargo bay. When that happens, the armor in the mannequins vanishes. Over time, the habs repopulate their clutter, but I take out the mannequin armor and weapons off the racks and cases before modifying my ship since I'm scared they won't repopulate. Then I add them back. I have yet to test if they come back with armor I don't care about.
Windows have the same effect on the interior geometry as a door, so this video is actually way more helpful than you're giving yourself credit for.
Thank you for the nice comment.
Stroud makes me think of the gun rooms in those movies where someone pulls a book and has a room full of guns, its plain and sterile and strictly about making the dakka ready for use.
HA! I never thought of that but you're totally right!
Stroud and deimos look very similar, same with the hope and taiyo.
@@patropro Indeed. The more comparisons I make the more I realize just how similar certain Habs are.
Dakka 😂 got to love the 40k orks.
Been waiting for a video like this for ages. Thank you very much! ❤
You are most welcome.
i'm a firm believer in if it's an armory it should be for weapons and armor only. taiho and hopetech armories do not appeal to me as the idea of putting your troublemakers in the same hab as your weapons and armor just sounds like a bad idea. i enjoy the Stroud styling as it and deimos both feel the most like armories. i'd like to have seen a door blocking off the area with the weapon racks as if it were a weapons cage or vault instead of just a divider. as for nova, i feel the space isn't utilized as well as it could be. i understand it is a spaceship and space needs to be used efficiently, but it looks more like it's a cargo container instead of an armory.
Fair point.
Super helpful, but as an idea with the "front to back" you should have had port-holes on one but not the other, for easier comparison at the time.
Fair.
you're doing the Lord's work. Bethesda REALLY needs to let us tour a ship before committing to the changes...
I had a porthole kill off a whole ass pool table once. I noped that out real f'ing quick lol, it was a floor one, too. It stayed with the side window, thankfully.
I would LOVE to have any kind of "Preview" option.
they need to make the 1 by 1 habs have way more then just storage all the time. maybe make a cozy little 1 by 1 that has beds bathrooms kitchen, or small armory, small workshop with workstations on the sides. i think its a wast for those of us that want a small ship but are forced to install a 2 by 1 or 3 by 1 just to get the interior that we need.
maybe they’ll fix it in a mod. Who knows.
They could stack just about all the Workstations in a 1x1 easily, if not all of them. So much potential.
Thanks! I didn’t know I needed to think about how certain changes affect the usability of the habs.
Me either until the day before I made this video. Once it "clicked" in my head that I myself was deleting interiors by willy nilly placing Portholes everywhere, that's when I decided to show the world as it were.
nova manequins bugged atm. anything that resets items to the cargo hold (ie. any tiny change in ship builder) will "delete" what was in the manequins.
Yup, lost the Mark I set that way >.
Hope Tech is Taiyo in dark mode, lol!
Been wanting a mini-brig, and had no idea these existed. I don't bother with armories, because I work on my ships enough that everything keeps getting sent back to the cargo hold. My armory is at my home base, not my ship, but a mini brig might be nice instead of my big 2x2 brig.
That's my take on it, the mini Brig + Armory takes up less space and pulls double duty. Granted those saying it's not wise to put prisoners near weapons are correct.
With the mannequins if you go into their inv, and hit B on each part they will equip the items and not be twitchy.
Bethesda needs to give us the ability to decorate the habs and choose where the doors go.
u can with consol commands i seen a youtuber do it makes it so u can place anything like u can at an outpost but on your ship that should be a natural eliment in the game
For the most part you can control where the doors go by when you add the pieces together... first connect the pieces you want the door on, them select both pieces and move them where they go on the ship.
Thanks for these videos! First time I build a ship I decided by the looks of the modules from the outside and I really hated the interiours of my ship once I was finished.. but I was too broke to change it again for some time. These videos will help me in future ship builds!
Alright, I was going to say that this was okay, probably poke fun at the mic quality, but honestly this is the most detailed, informative video I've seen for this game. And I see you have other videos. Sunofabish I'm in
The biggest thing i hate about the armory's is, ever time you chand the smallest detail to you ship it stores everything in the cargo bay. Even if you dont chang living areas. Want to add a jammer? Everything to cargo. So annoying to set up every time.
The deimos armory gained one of the giant weapons crates in place of the wall weapons mounts you lose. Normally the crate to the right on the floor is just a small 10 mass crate. But once you lose the racks you gain a 150 mass crate in their place. Actually seems like an upgrade with the windows.
I was trying to decide if it was worth doing this myself... thanks so much for saving me the time!
I spent hours sorting out my armoury... I then captured a ship, switched back and it was all in the cargo hold...same happens if you edit the ship seems little point in decorating your ship at mo
Nothing more to say than just a heartfelt thank you.
Then you get a heart from me, thanks!
Starfield definitely missed the mark on the majority of the pieces. I’d like to see more open concept rooms with stairs options, higher ceilings and the ability to view and choose more layout options before you finalize the build.
A "Preview" option would be fantastic! And yeah, with Fallout 4 having such a robust base building system 8 years ago it's a head scratchier why Starfield's building system seems so lacking... and many times super frustrating.
I know Modders will fix it all, but they shouldn't have to.
Wait about a year for DLCs and mods and all those things will likely be available. Starfield, like every bethesda game, is at its worst and most barebone at launch. it usually takes years for a Bethesda game to mature to its full potential.
@@axelhopfinger533 I mean, you're not wrong.
@@delindsay honestly i just hope at some point we get to build actual capital ships... that exceed the 80x80 build limit (but must have a hangar for a light craft to land on planets ect)... i mean... why else does the loading screen say "ships larger than 80x80 cant land on a planet" when you cant build ships larger than that (without mods anyways)
@@arcanumelite4853 DLC maybe? I know from all I watched leading up to it's release that Bethesda plans Starfield to continue for at least 10 years so I can only imagine what's coming for it down the road.
What are the corridors you are using? The long ones? They look great.
The interior also changes if you've put in roof Windows as well. It mainly effects small stuff like seating and such.
Oh it does? I'll have to test that out now, thanks.
I like to put them on the bottom too.
Never use an armory, I am used to "saving" the bed in the all in ones. Although I usually swap the hab itself to the other side of the ship, as opposed to not having a porthole where I can.
@@delindsay The one I noticed was on the mess halls. I put roof windows in the middle of the 2x3 nova mess hall (the wider one) and it deletes the tables.
@@DjDayOne That's certainly an odd chance, considering there is no effect to the furniture on the floor when a ceiling window is placed above them. Maybe it's a hitbox collision issue.
@@delindsay I think it's because the table has a light above, and it must be all one model, so it removes the light and everything else goes with it.
Great vid! Obviously, a lot of time and effort went into this. I cant trust storing things in the mannequins(Nova Tech) as I lost some decent secondary gear. It completely vanished, not just the display appearance, but was removed from the inventory. The caveat here is I did have more than one suit stored on the mannequin. My reasoning was the mass it allows per mannequin is more than a single full suit weighs, so I thought it would be safe. The whole inventory thing has me annoyed though. They allow you to decorate your ship with cool stuff you find but every time you switch ships or modify anything, even if its not involving the area you are modifying, everything is moved back to the cargo. So tip for anyone new, dont bother placing items or even guns in cases until you are 100% finished modding that ship. And even them, as soon as you switch ships you’ll have to redo. I wish they would have taken a point or two from No Mans Sky on ship inventory. Though the outpost linking is far superior to having to travel to each of your bases in NMS. Once you figure out a good design flow of cabling between your extractors, storage and links, its pretty rad to see all the supply ships come in to one outpost and only have to make that one stop to get all your supplies.
Thank you and yup, I lost the Mark I set on my Mannequins, won't make that mistake again.
I love this as a series, keep going through and doing this for every hab unit type. At a minimum do just a walk through comparison of each one.
You and everyone else doing these videos are a Godsend.
Thank you.
Excellent tour. Thanks for all the work making these.
Thank you and you're welcome.
Awesome video man videos like this help a ton with ship making
Thank you!
Having your videos on in the background while playing the game has me spinning around every time I hear something LMAO. The spacial background of your game makes my brain think someone's behind me all the time
Deimos and Stroud seem to be copys of each other as well. Really it only looks like 3 designs with some lighting and cargo style variations.
I love the Hope Tech one. It actually serves a purpose (bed) as I never use weapon cases since they get all jacked up and everything goes into your cargo anytime you modify your ship, so it seems pointless. I also like that it's the main module for the UC prison shuttle which makes the layout make more sense.
It is annoying having everything dump into your cargo hold every time you do anything.
@@delindsay Yeah, makes decorating the inside of a ship or using weapon cases for practical purposes pointless :/
@@1Bearsfan Indeed it does.
Wouldn't surprise me if someone had a hab with portholes on the sides and on the floor and on the ceiling. I saw a ship made entirely of bridges the other day.
The floor windows are odd. I mean, they work but it's kind of weird looking. And yea, yesterday I saw a pic of a Ship made to look like a Sandwich.
Thanks for making this. Now I need to go check out your other side-by-side videos!
I really liked the Taiyo armory because of the brig but man do I love the lighting so much better of the Hope tech one even tho they are identical otherwise.
Genius way to make a showroom. I'm going to do the same for myself right now. Cheers
My opinion is that nova has the most interesting habs (mostly) good examples are the armory, infirmary, workshop, 2x2 habitation and 2x2 battlecommand thingy.
Nova Galactic is the big winner in terms of functionality, and most Habs have an interesting look. For some of the larger Habs I'll throw in Deimos. I hate the lighting in Stroud-Eckland, while the general ugliness and wasted space of Taiyo and Hopetech has me avoiding them whenever possible.
A series of videos like this with other habs would be very useful, especially ones that get used a lot like captains quarters (who wouldn't want to know what the best CQ hab is?) - although seeing what you did I think players can follow your methods and just test specific ones they are interested in. Really wish the mass for pieces made more sense with connectors weighing very little. Would make much more sense as all they contribute is being able to specify where the doors go (which is really just fixing an inherent problem with ship building). Thanks for the effort! JW
This video is in a Playlist with all Hab types, including Cockpits. There are 19 videos in total.
Yes, thank you! This was the first of your videos I encountered, and after writing my comment I saw others. I subscribed and have been watching them - truly helpful!@@delindsay
@@johnwilkinsoniv1746 You're welcome, glad to be of help.
Super helpful vid. Thanks for putting the thought and time into this.
You're most welcome.
The strout connected with windows is perfect for placing stuff (yes I play modded, it's a Bethesda game), yes it's boring open space but it's also well lit open space
I usually Mod all my BGS games so I see no harm there.
I put an armory on the bottom of my ship so I opted to go for the hopetech version.
One, I want it to be a bit darker. Two, I want a small brig on the bottom next to my loading bay/ docking hatch.
You see "plain" I see "open layout" for Stroud. :)
Fair.
@@delindsay Love you anyway. :)
How am I just now finding out about the hab connecters?! I haven't been able to find these, where can I go to use them?
Nova on Titan has the white ones but they're only for Port-Stbd. HopeTech in Valo > Palvo has the black ones that add snap points. Those are Port-Stbd and Aft-Fore but are 14 mass each. They are listed under the Hab section.
This is the exact opposite of what I wanted.
I took my first ship that was given to me and saw that it was furnished and I was like oh OK. Went to the dream home and was super happy with how empty it was and when I first created my own ship I was very disappointed that it wasn’t exactly a blank canvas for me to fit what I wanted into it.
I have been disappointed with the ships because they aren’t empty and customizable on the interior. As well as the fact there’s no door and ladder manager
I would kill for something like that, each Hab being a pre-built "shell" that we then go inside with our Character and build out the walls/furniture/stations/etc.
They need to add a option like with the outpost building that you can change doorways and window options from inside a outpost, you should be able to do the same in a ship. As long as a Hab is connected where your looking you should be able to choose doorway/ladder etc
100% agree and it makes little sense that wasn't thought of in the design of the Ship building system.
@@delindsay yeah like whoever was doing the outpost from inside didn't once think. Hmmmm maybe.... 😅🤣
Maybe will come as a later update as I fo hope more ship parts come along too.
Would also love a way to personalise the inside.
Maybe, a option for being given free range like in outposts and residential buildings you have to kit them yourself inside. But do make it a option as I do also like the "pre-mades"
@@cluelessgod97 I'm uncertain how difficult it'd be to code (if it's not already in the game) but my brain thinks all we'd need is Ship Templates to save/load so when we change Ships it doesn't move everything to the cargohold like it does now, preserving all the decorations Players laboriously placed.
@@delindsay yeah template format could work.
I was thinking like when your in ship builder, there should be a option to go into "Internal Builder" and you can kit out there to each hab specific. But if you delete that hab will delete your internal placements.
And it's saves to only one ship, so yes would mean having to kit each one, but ideally your making 1 major unique ship and others for other purposes maybe
@@cluelessgod97 Decorating out each Ship makes sense, just like when you have games that allow you to build Bases all over the place, they too need to be decorated separately.
Never ever ever use armories. I had a mission that forced me to escape the planet on another ship. This reset my home ship to the shuttle. When I switched back, ALL OF MY STUFF WAS GONE. The armory was empty and none of it was in my inventory. The armory module is dangerous.
Tbh that's pretty egregious on Bethesda's part; definitely something that shouldn't happen.
Stroud connected also lost a pistol case in the front
Good eye!
What is annoying is if you alter anything on your ship your armories reset..that has to change
I H-A-T-E that so much. Maybe even worse is when you change Home Ship to do some other thing then back to your main Ship and it takes all the flair items like pens and folders and shoves them in Misc in your Cargo hold. It's like 170 items, wtf Bethesda.
I LOST my Mantis armour I had on display when I modified my ship the other day. Not moved to cargo, LOST.
@@nickm-s Yup, happened to me with the Mark I Armor, so pissed.
@@delindsayI actually am amused when all the loose crap gets shoved into cargo. With StarUI, there's a button to "Sell All in Category" so I can just sell the entire Misc category to a vendor and make an easy ~1000 credits off all that junk.
Not something I had thought of, so good to point out.
As way of feedback, I personally would have preferred if you ordered the video to show a section followed immediately by the same section with the connections/portholes. By the time you got to the connections part of the video, I had forgotten what the previous vanilla section looked like.
That's a good suggestion, thanks.
interesting to see how they look with different connections, just wish we could define how they connect. it's my biggest problem with building ships in the game.
Yeah deffo, we should beable to set where doors and ladders will be placed, and if you set a door on a wall that can't have one due to intenals then it should error and be red. Pretty simple stuff. And from a developer standpoint it would be alot cheaper on code as it would cut out the auto generation of doors/ladders.
Mods will change thease for the better soon. A Utility Hab mod that lets you choose any of the parts from other habs, referbishing the sections should only be alowed wile landed at your outpost/base shipyard.
My biggest gripe is the fact that I seemingly can't control where a door is spawned when modules are side by side. A straighforward design became a maze by sheer unluck. I assumed that causeway module would have higher priority to have doors, so I could use it as an intersection, but no luck there either.
Warning to all: Do NOT put armor on the mannequins and then modify your ship. Your armor WILL disappear, at least mine did. I set the Mantis armor up in a Nova Galactic Armory and when I modified my ship the following day and 'All items were returned to invantory', my Mantis set was gone. So now I am without the Mantis armor in my save unless I NG+. Don't make the same mistake I made. If you REALLY want to display stuff, be diligent to grab it off the display before modifying your ship in the ship builder. I suggest an outpost armory if you wanna display stuff with less risk of loosing items.
P.S. Gun Cases seemed to work, I did have my displayed guns returned to the ship inventory. But still risky, it is a Bethesda game after all.
This.
Its also similar when you have any stacked items laying about, such as Ship Parts. I have a stack of 170+ ship parts that I place a table so it wont take up 1,700+ room in cargo. I have like 12 in cargo when needed. When I modded my ship it placed it in cargo alright, but it placed ONE. It saw the stack as one item not 170+. Fortunately I save right before modding. Now when I mod, I first put any stacks of items laying about in my Inv to avoid that. Would do the same for any weapon / suit storage unit items
Thank you. I have 200 hours in but haven't mastered ship building yet. When I started, they said if you store weapons on racks or cases on your ship, you will lose them. So I never have. Is that fixed now? I didn't see any on your racks but I assume that was just to show the build. Also whenever I go into ship builder, my computer crashes😢
I'm at 290 hours and I haven't mastered Ship building either lol. The Armory throwing all your displays into the carghold is supposed to be fixed yes. And yes, the video was to show how certain options in the game actually delete Hab interiors so placing a bunch of weapons on the racks wouldn't be in line with the topic.
It really feels to me like two completely different teams who never talked to each other did the outpost and ship parts of the game. They are so very similar in concept, yet very different in execution. On the outpost side you build blank modules then add the pieces you need to them, whereas on the ship side you choose between prefab modules with everything in them. The ship building would have been so much if it worked like the outposts. Just build an empty hab module then go inside it and add the stuff you need individually.
Thats because it was. The game was quite literally outsourced to TWENTY SEVEN different studios from the US to Canada to France, the UK, Belgium, Belarus and even Vietnam.
So its no wonder the game just feels incomplete and disjointed.
@@cyanide7270 That explains SOO much.
Something you might like to know. Jetpack up the ladders instead of climbing. You in particular would get a lot of use out of that.
Hi there, just found this video, great btw. IV looked but no one has made any video explaining the different style of the different manufacturers and how their ships tend to build. Think you can do some builds using singular company parts and explaining a bit about the companies?
There is a lot more to this actually. There are some habs where you lose things going up and down. Not to mention a lot of this actually has an effect on where your doors go when connecting habs. So when you cram all of your habs together in a tight box, you end up with this un navigable mess. Well, thats because the game is overwhelmed with connections and trying to take the interiors in account to decide where to put the connections.
So if you want better layouts, learn the habs like this and reduce the number of connection points.
Indeed. Some of us think it's a 3D model issue where say a light on the ceiling over a table is actually part of the table model itself so placing a skylight nukes the table as well.
I get what your saying but I want to see outside and the windows we get suck already. I need a mod with a greenhouse/observation lounge that’s all glass.
I know some want that display area on the ship but the boxes and racks are useless. They don’t hold much but also when you switch from exploration to combat or to cargo. It rips everything off and shoves it in the bay. Then you start over every time. So decorate your homes planet-side is my suggestion.
I'm sure Modders will end up creating a Ship building paradise once the Creation Club is out. Though, it sucks that we HAVE to wait for Modders to do what Bethesda should've already baked into the game.
I picked up the Skyview Penthouse on Neon yesterday and it has the option to decorate. Pretty much just limited Outpost management for furniture and such. It kinda sucks they didn't include this in the ship building. There are tons of things that could be done with just that little bit of functionality.
Agreed.
I found the Neon Penthouse to be a big disappointment, especially for the price you pay for it. Not even a bedroom for it, the 30k home in the well at least has a bedroom. Not to mention it can be decent if you decorate with with plants and such.
@@NetraAmorosi Yeah, the Neon home is a ripoff. At the opposite end, though it is a PITA to earn, the New Atlantis penthouse is probably the 'best' home. The house in 'The Core' in Akila City isn't bad either, with enough room to actually have the spaces you'd expect in a home.
thanks I appreciate this, I really hope that we are able to set where we want a door to be placed in the future as to not remove some of these room's features.
They could honestly make a 1x1 out of that Hope/Taiyo armory without losing any of its features, except maybe whateve ris deleted due to side pass-throughs - which would also make it very unique!
I would LOVE to see purpose built 1x1's.
Not sure if these armory modules are bugged but I cant put any weapons or suits, helmets in any of the racks, boxes or stands...
This is super helpful. Please continue with other modules.
Thank you for making this.
The ceiling windows at least interfere with the captains module of Hope Tech. The navigation desk disappear if you put a window over it.
Just a Thought. How about a series on building an Outpost. Do it in series of distinct sections. Like, Episode 1 set up the Landing pad and any attachments. Next episode (2) Power & Scanners. Next episode (3) Drilling rigs and storage, and so on. That way folks could watch episode 1 and then go do the piece. And then move to episode 2, 3 , 4 ,5 until we have a nice inter-system outpost. Last episodes could be system to system setup. But sure that the first 5, 6, or 7 are about having a nice simple outpost with just what you need. I have seen some youtube videos build a large complicated outpost intra system's cargo and when video is over, I haven't a clue how it was done.
That would certainly be an interesting series. I'm kind of waiting on BGS to "fix/update" Outposts before I jump too heavily into making videos about them. I'm good enough at building them for myself, just not certain I'm at a level of expertise to make videos informing others about the process.
I'm looking forward to you showing the 2 x 2 and the 3 x 3. Are they worth getting? Etc. Thanks for doing these comparative videos!
2x2's start tomorrow, and you're welcome.
This off topic but I noticed something today. I was using your vids to pick a new captsin quarters. You know how at one end of hopetech and taiyo they have a table and a usable navigation console? If you use a door anywhere on those habs both disappear.
Although, I just started using placeable doors and that might be messing with it, now that I think about it.
I don't understand why YT put this comment into 'Held for review' but yeah, when it comes to door/ladder placement causing interior items to get nuked it's often super dumb (the way the game handles it).
@delindsay it might be a mod conflict. I also found if I came in thru the end where the nav console is, everything stsyed.
@@wolfhors3_660 Certainly possible but even using all of the "best practices" for Door placement (outside of Mods), sometimes the game just does what it wants without rhyme or reason.
An interior preview should´ve been a must have vanilla feature, lets hope for a PC mod or an official update for the game. Good video btw.
I love how your mobility is still at 41% with everything added with a class A reactor
Heh, indeed.
Thanks for the vid. I was just comparing these in game and only got through Deimos and Stroud before looking for a video on it. It seems that Deimos and Stroud habs are practically identical except for colour schemes and ambient noise. I'm surprised that they did the same copy paste for Hopetech and Taiyo.
You're welcome and yeah, it does seem like a "cheap" way out for finishing the game to just change lighting scheme.
Omg thanks man, im here after i redesigned my ship the first room did not have the weapon upgrade bench and i was totaly confused
No worries and been there did that, it's why I made this video.
Thanks for doing this. I am always agonizing over which armory to use. I finally just took it out because every time I change my ship it is going to put eeeeeeeverything i put on display back in cargo. Ugh. 🙄
Yeah, that bug/intended mechanic is stupid.