Nintendo Lawsuit against Palworld Looks Grim
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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How is this even legal or allowed?
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Pokemon stans: leave the billion dollar corporation alone!!
back in my day pokemon with guns used to mean Digimon.
such a shame bandai doesn't even try anything with the games and keeps pandering to nostalgia. The community follows suit too, whenever they talk of games the first thing they want is remasters, never anything new.
I think im close to the end on Digimon Story CyberSleuth and its baffling to me how they haven't expanded on that formula, Bandai literally sitting on gold, Digimon becoming a mix of Persona+Pokemon to distance itself from being just a ''Pokemon clone'' is awesome
Oh, the early 2000s, the era when people were just calling Digimon a Pokemon clone and wondering why Nintendo wasn't suing them for plagiarism. Those days are long gone, and kids of these days don't know what Digimon is, or Yi-Gi-Oh, or Beyblade, or Bakugan, or even Yo-Kai Watch which was popular only ten years ago.
Wouldn't it be nice if Square Enix and Dragon Quest showed the court that they invented monster taming first and Nintendo loses Pokemon as retaliation for this BS lawsuit XD
Okay so the patent is complete bullshit. There is a lot of game mechanics that haven been taken. Playing mini while waiting at loading screen is taken by bandai namco. The nemsis system is by warner brothers. Its complete bullshit and has stopped a lot of games from being made. But hey its only 20 years.
Monster taming is stolen from Dragon Quest, so I guess Pokemon is done
The best part ... if they was in other country than Nintendo is , this Lawsuit will not work.
Patent laws are followed by a system that a lot of countries take part of. so Yes it will work in countries that follow the patent system.
@@Nobody487_it wouldn’t work because no other country is as loyal to Nintendo as Japan is. The Japanese legal system lets Nintendo get away with a lot because of that.
remember this is the fault of pokemons fanboys that kept screaming at nintendo to sue palworld
Don't understand why. More pokemon like games should make them happy since pokemon has been stagnant for a long time. Releasing the same game over and over again with just a new color in the title.
@@Lazy_Viking that is the point it's not a pokemon
What's worse is the pokestans ignore the fact that everything they wanted Nintendo to sue for pokemon was more guilty of them than palworld is. Legit there's 3 times more copies from monster quest and other franchises in Pokemon than there are accused copies in palworld, HELL, even their favorite example Lucario has more similarities to weregarurumon than it does Anubis. But God forbid you being it up to them
@@ethanwilliams4559what
I can understand how wooler looks a like Sheepmon, but Lucario and Weregarurumon?
Nintendo would sue the wind for blowing in the wrong direction this isn’t to please anyone😊
Patent offices will accept a request for anything that doesn't already have a patent. It's not up to them to defend said patent.
Patents that Nintendo may use in the lawsuit didn't exist until after Palworld were released. The scary part is that may not matter. The precident this sets could potentially mean the death of free and fair game development. Imagine how much a game might cost if they have to pay license fees for every little thing.
In this instance the filing date really doesn't matter, though not for the reason that immediately comes to mind. We still don't know for certain what the patents are, but the ones it looks like it'll be are basically derived from an older and vaguer patent which probably includes everything in all its new "children". Using a procedure which probably was created to protect inventors who might not know how to properly file for individual patents properly breaking up all their work, Nintendo has basically used their original patent to manufacture shotgun ammo which can be all fired at once to multiply the infringement charges, which is all disposable as even if these patents get overturned that won't directly affect the status of the original one, and where any saved ammo can be used again against other people while more can be manufactured the same way.
And I'm unfortunately forced to conclude this is probably the Japanese legal system working as intended: legal systems exist to champion social standards and the social standard here is the idea that a company which employs more people is theoretically demonstrating greater social responsibility by taking care of more of the population - and so has the right to seek governmental assistance to defend itself against competition by a smaller company. We see PocketPair as the good guys here, but it seems a lot of Japan doesn't.
It's a national law thing. US ruled you can't copyright game mechanics, so that example of 'a shadow behind a bush' might not fly here in the US, if Japan tried to reach over the border to sue someone about it. Palworld not being in Japan/East Asia might be the only buffer they have, unless Nintendo can produce something that's 1:1 copied enough to trip the copyright in the country Palworld was made within.
Edit: Adding the source for ppl asking/interested.
Copyright Act of 1976
"The protection of intellectual property (IP) of video games through copyright, patents, and trademarks, shares similar issues with the copyrightability of software as a relatively new area of IP law. The video game industry itself is built on the nature of reusing game concepts from prior games to create new gameplay styles but bounded by illegally direct cloning of existing games, and has made defining intellectual property protections difficult since it is not a fixed medium.
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In the United States, the underlying source code, and the game's artistic elements, including art, music, and dialog, can be protected by copyright law.[16] However, gameplay elements of a video game are generally ineligible for copyright;[16] gameplay concepts fall into the idea-expression distinction that had been codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, in that copyright cannot be used to protect ideas, but only the expression of those ideas."
Any company being allowed to protect something like a choice-wheel is either being granted a good deal of favoritism, or got the ruling out of someone who doesn't understand the fundamentals of game design, or even more likely: both.
Pocketpair, the company that made Palworld, is based in Japan.
I'd be interested to hear about that US ruling. Where did you hear that? The patent at 13:17 is from the US PTO, specifically for a "Game System."
The Nemesis System is patented by Warner Bros. in the US and therefore has not been able to be used in any other video games which is why actions cannot have consequences in video games and NPCs and enemies cannot remember the player. Likewise, the Choice Wheel is patented by BioWare in the US and Canada and they don't let others have even remotely similar dialogue mechanics in other video games. And in 2024, Nintendo was granted a patent in the US for "using an object to catch a field creature in virtual space", which many have now called the "Pokeball patent," even though the patent doesn't say that the used object should be a ball or a sphere and lawyers have said that Nintendo's patent even covers the use of the fishing rod in video games (note: the same patent was granted to Nintendo in Japan in 2023 and was filed in 2021).
@@dalisclock1268 Copyright Act of 1976
"In the United States, the underlying source code, and the game's artistic elements, including art, music, and dialog, can be protected by copyright law.[16] However, gameplay elements of a video game are generally ineligible for copyright;[16] gameplay concepts fall into the idea-expression distinction that had been codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, in that copyright cannot be used to protect ideas, but only the expression of those ideas."
Any company being allowed to protect something like a choice-wheel is either being granted a good deal of favoritism, or got the ruling out of someone who doesn't understand the fundamentals of game design, or even more likely: both.
@@danielmalinen6337 source added to original comment
Paws, as a programmer think about it like this: it's like google trying to sue someone for using a programming language in development of an app. It would be like suing someone for using something pretty broad or used quite often if my understanding is correct
But this is Japanese law they apparently can do that.
@@bhart3321 the American system isn't that far off from this according to the video, all it takes is one loophole some vague clause in some law and if it can be exploited this could happen elsewhere as long as they have enough influence or money to do something with it.
@@kingmric We already have precedence that certain vague mechanics can't be patented. However you are correct that it could happen anywhere all the more important that other companies all start patent trolling each other.
You can't argue that Nintendo hasn't "ripped off" some mechanics of some other game. They all do it so let them go to war with each other & poison the water until laws get revised & clarified or until all these companies start losing money chasing these stupid windmills rather than just focusing on making an enjoyable product. Nintendo is only doing this cuz Palworld got so big & people started saying they liked it better. Nintendo should've used this as incentive to innovate & beat Palworld at its own game but instead they wanna be greedy corpo aholes & squash innovation cuz they don't like competition.
@@bhart3321 I will never say Nintendo is fair but they're doing what any big business does, crush the competition with capitalism and squeeze every coin from your customers for everything as long as they breathe
I don’t think that’s a good comparison. Nintendo owns the patent of throwing balls/objects at a monster waiting to see if the ball you threw was successfully at capturing the monster and giving you feedback on that action. You’re going to have to think long before you find any other game that has something equal to that series of actions. Only palworld flew that close to the sun.
Yeah, the patent in this scenario doesn't really matter. It is simply the justification Nintendo or any large corporations needed to kickstart a court fight, then they can follow up with the usual strong-arm into submission. The objective isn't to win, it is to not lose, which means the wealthier side usually win by default.
10:59 no no no, you misunderstood, it's not "You can patent anything YOU invent"
It's "you can patent ANY INVENTION"
And it doesn't even have to be a new invention, it's enough that it hasn't been patented before or the old patent expires and the first one who has time can succeed in getting a patent. For example, a basic spoon holds the world record for the number of patents, although no one usually thinks that a spoon or any other cutlery could be patented because it is such a common and everyday object. And the reason why patent systems around the world are so broken and flawed is Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla, who wanted to get as many patents as possible and as quickly as possible, and who still hold the world record for patent trolling and patent theft.
Nintendo has even used Pokemon Sleep to patent good sleeping habits, i.e. people practice good and balanced sleep to maintain their own health and well-being. It's a really crazy and bizarre patent and tells you how broken and flawed the patent system can be at its worst.
It really boggled me how Nintendo chose to attack Palworld in the lawsuit. Everyone assumed it would be over the designs but with this Nintendo basically said they could not attack that way.
last good pokemon game came out 2005 colosseum and gale of darkness was not even made by pokemon company
Honestly makes me think what happened to Yokai watch?
Like I’m aware it had a sequel game on the DS which kind of mimicked the gimmick of Pokémon with having 2 versions of the same game but that was for the DS years ago
It was on the 3DS and I believe failed because of how similar it was to Pokemon. But being a Nintendo IP they could afford to axe the project for being viewed as redundant
@@Wreck17Mitch its not a nintendo ip is own by level 5 and it just didn't reach expectation they wanted to be the most popular series world wide but it never got popular on usa
@@yokai1235 my mistake then, I only know maybe two people who actually bought the game and they dropped it after a month or two. Looked like the kind of “new IP” that dies with the system it launches on
Pocketpairs game craftopia which released in 2020 has the same mechanics as palworld. Palworld was in development in 2020 and was announced in june 2021 and was showcased in Japan. Nintendo patented those mechanics in December 2021.
Even if it's not about the aiming throwing mechanics, pocketpair already used all the mechanics in palworld in craftopia.
I hate this situation because if Palworld wins, that mean that you can take any design and put it anywhere as your original idea by slightly changing some details. But if Nintendo wins, that means that someone like EA can sue you because you have a crosshair in your FPS and they made patent for it.
I hope I just overthinking it.
Another thing is how Japanese law works. The track record of people who file the lawsuits wining is high. Even if they are wrong. It's kind of how like their defamation law works. True or untrue of it hurt their reputation the will win. In this case, my guess is that the process is the punishment. They want to drain their funding and disrupt their game and more. Probably a fishing expedition through discovery. When you look into Japanese law, it's dogshit. Nintendo is hated in the gaming industry for a reason. They make patents and then they lock them away so nobody can use them or innovate off of them and if you try, they will go after you until your bankrupt.
Cant even enjoy amazing indie games anymore because of larger companies... its going to get to a point where I cant even enjoy videogames in general... and i cant go back to artwork... my hands cramp up when i try XD
I wouldn't be surpriced if Nintendo had a patent that applies to platformers with power ups
A growing number of people would rather have chatgpr explain things to them than do the research. Facts don't matter if you can look at some post that tells you what to think. Ignorance is bliss after all and believing the Internet seems to be easier
10:20 the awser is easy: MONEEEEEEEEEEY
nintendo, the gaming industry's next assassin
Palworld definitely won the court of public opinion but imo after seeing all the patents, I don't see them winning the lawsuit sadly.
Bro Nintendo and Disney are ridiculous. Like nintendo did this shit and disney has essentially a monopoly on shows and movies. They own a lot of things and gaming is slowly changing to be like this too with microsoft and sony buying a lot of small companies.
This whole case just shows how much Nintendo hates competition. Absolute garbage company its a big fish bullying small fish.
And if we get mad at them, they just release another Smash game and everything is forgiven
They definitely turned on fans.. because when I look a Palworld I see love and care in the idea and the devs there are/were fans of pokemon and had a dream... it hurts when dreams are crushed and the one where you got your inspiration from kicks you until you fall and keeps kicking you because "give me your lunch money!"
Huh... I've heard of patent trolling, but only in the vein of relatively small scammers; this is the first time I've heard of a gigantic corporation engaging in the practice...
If you think this is crazy, just remember some japanese tried to patent the Açai fruit!
We are talking about a plant that doesnt exist in Japan and is NATIVE to Brazil!
And this is why I'm glad I sold my pokemon games and downloaded ROMs of the games so I don't have to pay Nintendo. Nintendo can go fuck off, they are just jealous because Palworld is 100 times better then anything they can come up with.
When palworld gets sued
Sony : your lawsuit
when the game successful
Sony : our profit
It could be possible for the patent to be overturned and revoked. They just need to make a case to prove the patent invalid.
This should set off a whole host of likewise patent troll cases cuz you can't tell me Nintendo hasn't done the same thing of "ripping off" mechanics from other games. Everyone should be suing everyone until the water is so poisoned either Japan revises it's laws or Nintendo starts feeling the squeeze.
remember that if nintendo wins, there is always another way to play palworld 🏴☠
I guess the gaming community is going to have to go to war with the patent system.
So many people praising the Japanese legal system and yet this happens
Should we boycott Pokemon?
@Paws just a heads up palworld game mechanics came from craftopia that was out in 2020 way before pokemon did their own open world game mechanics that was out in 2022 and palworld already been shown in public in 2021 and they were going to release the game out that year but they hold it back to get re engine by unreal engine company then had the game out at 2024. This lawsuit will not go in their favor for Nintendo
@Paws
Yeah. They want them gone, one way or the other.
the ting is the lawsut again Pocketpair by nintendo for patents have openend a door for several game studio to lawsuit nintendo and other game studio for patents steal
Square Enix will never sue Nintendo. Theyre a platform owner plus they’d ruin a decade long friendship
@@Nicky-zz8np i was not realy talcking aboot square enix, but of every game studio, if nintendo lawsuit for patent steal pass that will allow every studio to use lawsuit again every other studio that use a patent created by them. tink aboot it if studio a develop a unique mecanic patent for there game, thent studio b, c and d use that patent to make there own game, studio a could sue studio b, c and d for patents steal.at leas that how i see it bu i might be wrong, would not be the first time i'm wrong about someting
Everyone,” no one can fuck up worse that Sony with the PS5 pro.”
Nintendo,” challenge accepted.”
Good luck winning against nint3ndo. Palworld is over. Like asmon says. Play it now, one day it's over.
The way I see it the palword devs have a copyright claim against Nintendo in return. Zelda ToS looks like a ripoff of Craftopia.
Back in my day the Pokémon weren't androgynous
I dont know why... im reminded by pokemon uranium
I need to get that thing patched already and hop back into that one
*me on my way to patent breathing to force all nintendo employees to pay me everytime they breathe*
Nintendo is pathetic
Business 101: exploit everything, destroy your rivals, strong arm and bully your way to success. You can't be good and do business you have to be cutthroat enough to destroy anything in your way no matter the morals
if anyone who doesnt know what "palworld" is, (cause most dont know, yeah, you know who they/you are) basically its like pokemon, but the animals use guns,
Everyone, don't forget this is all the fault of butthurt pokemon fanboys screeching at Nintendo... Couldn't handle the fact that Nintendo thinks of them as pigs who'll eat any slop that's served to them when we all pointed out the things Pokemon could be with Palworld🤷 Never forget and never let them live it down 😡
Nah. Nintendo would have made their move soner or later anyway. They just waited until Palworld got big and rich enough to be squeezed for a ton of money but not so rich that they could fight back for a prolonged time.
They had a legit case against Palworld, but they sued for *the wrong thing*
Is Nintendo fanboys going insane now
Edit: nvm Nintendo is just having a tantrum
Tbh never played palworld it seems like a generic open world survival game
Tbh Never read this comment seems like generic chat bot slop
@@Pr0m3th310us hey hey saw palworld gameplay pals look cute but open world games arent my cup of tea i like a game with plot like fallout nv or oblivion
Makes sense .... everyone's got something they like and dislike ... some love fps games.. others would prefer an rpg.. some would prefer 2D platformers. etc... what you like is what you like what others like is what others like @SerbianSpark19