Since Boston has very comprehensive public transit, they can focus on building really cool structures around their ballpark instead of adding parking spaces
The T is horrible. It’s like a half mile walk from the train station to Fenway, and riding the T is awful in every way. Not that I advocate for paying more taxes to improve life for people who live in Boston.
"The Fenway Theater" is done and open. It's not a movie theater. It's an live concert venue on the other side of the new two story outfield bar you mentioned. That new outfield bar area is all part of the new concert venue.
It seems like the problem with the rays stadium situation is that while St Pete has done everything they can to keep the team in Pinellas county, the city of Tampa doesn’t seem to want them. I’ve heard many people say they would be willing to drive from all over Tampa and even Orlando if the stadium was in a more centralized location. As much as I’ve enjoyed having the team close to where I live, it would be worth it to me to see them go to a different part of the area and be able to stay local, especially if it gets them better attendance.
They’re not getting rid of the Citgo sign or the row houses. Those are on the other side of the Mass Pike from Fenway. What they’re doing is redeveloping Lansdowne street, including the dingy ass garage that homers get hit onto occasionally.
Not sure I'm ok with the ugly ass building right behind the monster, but it looks like they really want to expand over the mass pike behind the ballpark which is an interesting concept. If they can create a little neighborhood and retail pace instead of just empty space over a busy highway I would say that's worth exploring.
The idea sounds cool in theory but when it comes to practicality it's a terrible idea. The first problem is it would be very expensive to alter what has always been a baseball stadium into a 130-yard football field. The 2nd problem is that it just wouldn't play as well as an actual football field. The 3rd problem is it would damage the field and make it a worse situation for the Red Sox games that will happen after that. The 4th and biggest problem is that Fenway just can't hold as many fans as the current Patriots stadium in Foxborough. So they would be going through all that trouble and all that expense just to have fewer fans at the game and make less money. Football stadiums hold a lot more fans than baseball stadiums. I don't think there's a single baseball stadium that holds even 60,000 fans but there are football stadiums that hold over 111,000 fans. And Fenway Park especially is known to be one of the smallest baseball stadiums since it is so old. So they would be going through all that trouble just to make less money and possibly risk damaging the field/stadium at the same time. It's a cool concept and idea. I'll give you that. The only way it could feasibly work though is to make the tickets to enter the game extremely expensive. Like a once in a lifetime experience and charge people thousands of dollars for each ticket. They would probably have to promote it for a very long time to drum up that kind of demand though. Even then it would probably make less money than just hosting the game in an actual football stadium though. I get the concept and it's a cool idea in theory because... Who WOULDN'T want to be at that game? But it's also a terrible idea in practicality.
@@GardcoreLegend I was unaware of that. That's pretty cool. I would personally love to watch the Pats play at Fenway. A lot has changed in the past half century though. I imagine that the "at game" fan base for the Pats can more than double the stadium size of Fenway now. Especially since the Tom Brady era has happened between now and then. I might be foolish but I'm guessing the Patriots home games already average noticeably more fans than Fenway can house. Very cool point btw. I didn't know the Pats ever played there.
Maybe you could have the Patriots play one more home game at Fenway, but make it in December long after the Red Sox are done plus they play a bowl game there now which is in December.
The Fenway Theater was built and open. It's not a movie theater. It's a music venue. The MGM Music Hall. It's behind Centerfield at the corner of Landsdowne and Ipswich Streets.
We all hate the corporate advertising that's taking over MLB and stadiums, yet we all want to make sure the Citgo sign doesn't go away. Lol I wonder if people disliked it when it was first put up
When I first started going to Fenway, over 60 years ago, it was a Green and White "Cities Service" sign. The company rebranded itself as "Citgo" in the mid-late '60s. Times change. My questioin is a new building is built behind the LF wall will it prevent winds coming in from that direction, meaning more HRs?
@depressed ginger. The theater Is open. It's for live music not movies. It's behind (and also connected) to the new area (bar) you pointed out behind right field.
So no more catching home run balls on the top of the parking garage across the street. They're going to take one of the greatest gameday experiences outside of a stadium and turn it into a fu**ing boutique.
That citgo sign is a long way away from the park. It's prob legit half mile away behind the mass Pike. No way that goes away. Although maybe you mean the view of it from Fenway? Then yeah that building will most def block it out
@@NemoRCnPinball I didn’t realize it was that far away. That sucks cause that building will definitely block it. Although, I think that building will add to the feel of the park. Kinda like the Camden Yards building
@@NemoRCnPinball I always saw the Citgo sign like the Bronx County Courthouse behind center field at the old Yankee Stadium. While closer, it's quite a distance away up that hill. Too bad the Yankees gave that up.
Yeah the MGM Music Hall at Fenway did get built! I’ve been there only once to an I Prevail concert back in November of 2022 and it definitely gave me Fenway vibes! Really nice hall
The fenway theater is still their, it's on the opposite side then that project. I was just at the theater in March. It's not a movie theater, it's more for live performances.
The area is next to Boston University and has the T at the freeway, so the space is desired for more than Fenway. The Green Monster building (Lansdowne) feels like the second coming of Mount Davis in Oakland. The rest is fine, but I agree with others that the CITGO sign should stay and represent a good line in the development sand. Yawkey Way has been under developed for years, but it has a charm the way it is now. I'll sacrifice that, but don't make another Mount Anything, anywhere.
6:08 The problems with the San Francisco Giants' attendance is ... San Francisco. When the Giants' targeted fanbase flees a declining city like San Francisco, that's going to hurt the attendance. It's become one of the worst cities in America and it's reflecting in the Giants' attendance.
Baltimore is objectively worse, and has been hemorrhaging productive population at a higher rate, for longer, and yet the o's attendance is up this year.
Everyone is trying to do the same as Atlanta and Chicago Cubs did. Kansas City is planning on building a new stadium downtown KC and a large portion of it is meant to be "Battery" esque...
They will add netting over/just past the monster to avoid damage of buildings. They have been doing a lot of work for years. MGM built a beautiful music hall. Some nice restaurants….Dont know what this will be but ehhh.
That building behind the Green Monster will be a massive problem, I feel bad for all the windows that will get destroyed because of the home runs headed out that way.
In my opinion the way it looks of those balconies you can see you can say goodbye to the the gas station sign but looks beautiful let's see all old place out button looks like it's seven stories all 8 stories
Hey Ginger, SF Giants are already doing something similar called Mission Rock, u see a new building behind right field, by Mcovey Cove. It’s a brand new neighborhood in SF
That stadium is also a rarity in that it's one of the few new ballparks that were privately financed (the Giants' ballpark was privately financed by the late Peter Magowan, then the owner of the team).
Buster Posey was the closest thing we had to a superstar but they did have a team full of amazing players to watch when they were winning the World Series in 2010, 2012 2014
San Francisco will try to get Ohtani. The MLB rigged the rules by putting a DH in the NL because the MLB wants the Los Angeles Dodgers to get Ohtani. Now the Dodgers, Giants, and Mets have a chance
This is disgusting. That building on landsdowne would ruin the vibe of the monster and make the stadium seem out of place a futuristic building like that right outside the monster 🤮🤮🤮🤮 it’s like Mount Davis in Oakland
Heck they'll never do that are you kidding me thats what makes Fenway park Fenway park it's the unique feature that stands out thats equivalent of getting rid of the Ivy at Wrigley field.
Do you do any research?? The Fenway movie theater that you say never was built is called the Fenway MGM music hall and it attracts many of the top music acts of the day!! I like your content, but now I question it, because you really got this one wrong, so how wrong have you gotten the rest of the places I know zero about??
Will those apartments behind the green monster be a distrraction to the batters? I could see people strobing the lights when opposing teams are batting. 😂😂
hate how fenway is becoming so gentrified to the point where the whole neighborhood is becoming one big tourist trap for yuppies. there's no more aesthetic left to the city, all that's left is boring overpriced apartments and liberal college students who make the city a terrible place to be
I live in Boston. The city is tiny and keep cramming people into it with high rises and new condos which all look the same. Terrible idea which will ruin the aesthetic of the city. Another waste of money coming from the Boston taxpayer
Because it's an historic ball park knocking it down and building a new one would upset a lot of fans. A lot of yankee fans were upset what they did to the old Yankee Stadium and built a new one it just doesn't have that old feeling.Why get a new Stadium when you can renovate and save tons of money keep the old tradition.
Fenway theater turned into the MGM music hall. It’s behind center field and opened a year or 2 ago
Since Boston has very comprehensive public transit, they can focus on building really cool structures around their ballpark instead of adding parking spaces
What? Was this a sarcastic statement? The T is awful.
The T is horrible. It’s like a half mile walk from the train station to Fenway, and riding the T is awful in every way. Not that I advocate for paying more taxes to improve life for people who live in Boston.
"The Fenway Theater" is done and open. It's not a movie theater. It's an live concert venue on the other side of the new two story outfield bar you mentioned. That new outfield bar area is all part of the new concert venue.
Was coming here to say that. MGM music hall.
as long as you can still see the citgo sign with the new building i'm ok with this. it's a very clean and modern look for the area
The CITGO sign is an iconic landmark to the city of Boston.
It seems like the problem with the rays stadium situation is that while St Pete has done everything they can to keep the team in Pinellas county, the city of Tampa doesn’t seem to want them. I’ve heard many people say they would be willing to drive from all over Tampa and even Orlando if the stadium was in a more centralized location. As much as I’ve enjoyed having the team close to where I live, it would be worth it to me to see them go to a different part of the area and be able to stay local, especially if it gets them better attendance.
Nahh move em to Montreal
@@superscot17I totally agree 🇨🇦
To get rid of the Citgo sign and the row houses behind the Green Monster is crazy. Redevelopment is a part of growth but at what cost.
They’re not getting rid of the Citgo sign or the row houses. Those are on the other side of the Mass Pike from Fenway.
What they’re doing is redeveloping Lansdowne street, including the dingy ass garage that homers get hit onto occasionally.
Not sure I'm ok with the ugly ass building right behind the monster, but it looks like they really want to expand over the mass pike behind the ballpark which is an interesting concept. If they can create a little neighborhood and retail pace instead of just empty space over a busy highway I would say that's worth exploring.
They still have the theatre. It’s called the MGM Music Hall at Fenway
If that building does get built (and depending upon height), it may obscure the CITGO sign from the vantage of the ballpark.
It definitely will. Gulf is the official gasoline of the Red Sox. Probably tired of all the free Citgo advertising.
Good reporting. You know it would be pretty cool for the Patriots to play one home game at Fenway!!
The idea sounds cool in theory but when it comes to practicality it's a terrible idea. The first problem is it would be very expensive to alter what has always been a baseball stadium into a 130-yard football field. The 2nd problem is that it just wouldn't play as well as an actual football field. The 3rd problem is it would damage the field and make it a worse situation for the Red Sox games that will happen after that. The 4th and biggest problem is that Fenway just can't hold as many fans as the current Patriots stadium in Foxborough. So they would be going through all that trouble and all that expense just to have fewer fans at the game and make less money. Football stadiums hold a lot more fans than baseball stadiums. I don't think there's a single baseball stadium that holds even 60,000 fans but there are football stadiums that hold over 111,000 fans. And Fenway Park especially is known to be one of the smallest baseball stadiums since it is so old. So they would be going through all that trouble just to make less money and possibly risk damaging the field/stadium at the same time. It's a cool concept and idea. I'll give you that. The only way it could feasibly work though is to make the tickets to enter the game extremely expensive. Like a once in a lifetime experience and charge people thousands of dollars for each ticket. They would probably have to promote it for a very long time to drum up that kind of demand though. Even then it would probably make less money than just hosting the game in an actual football stadium though. I get the concept and it's a cool idea in theory because... Who WOULDN'T want to be at that game? But it's also a terrible idea in practicality.
The Patriots played at Fenway from 1963-1968 when they were the Boston Patriots in the AFL before the merger.
@@GardcoreLegend I was unaware of that. That's pretty cool. I would personally love to watch the Pats play at Fenway. A lot has changed in the past half century though. I imagine that the "at game" fan base for the Pats can more than double the stadium size of Fenway now. Especially since the Tom Brady era has happened between now and then. I might be foolish but I'm guessing the Patriots home games already average noticeably more fans than Fenway can house. Very cool point btw. I didn't know the Pats ever played there.
Maybe you could have the Patriots play one more home game at Fenway, but make it in December long after the Red Sox are done plus they play a bowl game there now which is in December.
Fenway Theater was built but is called MGM Music Hall at Fenway
The fenway theatre was built, I went to a show there last week. It's called the MGM Music Hall at Fenway
the render you're looking at is across the stadium from the fenway theatre
The Fenway Theater was built and open. It's not a movie theater. It's a music venue. The MGM Music Hall. It's behind Centerfield at the corner of Landsdowne and Ipswich Streets.
they should build a "New Fenway Park" with 42000 seats, it would sell out most nights I'm sure
Something along those lines was once considered, this channel made a video about it.
We all hate the corporate advertising that's taking over MLB and stadiums, yet we all want to make sure the Citgo sign doesn't go away. Lol
I wonder if people disliked it when it was first put up
Probably. Even one of the most iconic buildings in the world, the Eiffel Tower - there was a time when many Parisians wanted it torn down.
Citgo doesn't even pay for the thing anymore! Free advertising...it was designated a historic landmark so the city now maintains it! 😂
When I first started going to Fenway, over 60 years ago, it was a Green and White "Cities Service" sign. The company rebranded itself as "Citgo" in the mid-late '60s. Times change. My questioin is a new building is built behind the LF wall will it prevent winds coming in from that direction, meaning more HRs?
There goes that quaint alleyway
Wa was just looking to see if you did a video on this yet this morning. Thanks for another great video. Love all the detail in each breakdown
I was at the MGM Fenway concert hall last weekend and it’s a great venue! One of the nicest theaters I’ve ever been to.
@depressed ginger. The theater Is open. It's for live music not movies. It's behind (and also connected) to the new area (bar) you pointed out behind right field.
It doesn't look like Fenway anymrore. Might as well build a new stadium.
Right I am telling them Building apartments behind the green monster is going to destroy the look and feel of the park
Fenway Theater is called the Fenway MGM Music Hall which opened in 2022
So no more catching home run balls on the top of the parking garage across the street. They're going to take one of the greatest gameday experiences outside of a stadium and turn it into a fu**ing boutique.
Im so glad i went to Fenway last year before they do these renovations.
Well, with this reno, you can say goodbye to the iconic Citgo sign.
I kinda have a feeling they’re gonna find a way to keep that someway. It’s too iconic to get rid of
That citgo sign is a long way away from the park. It's prob legit half mile away behind the mass Pike. No way that goes away. Although maybe you mean the view of it from Fenway? Then yeah that building will most def block it out
@@NemoRCnPinball I didn’t realize it was that far away. That sucks cause that building will definitely block it. Although, I think that building will add to the feel of the park. Kinda like the Camden Yards building
@@NemoRCnPinball I always saw the Citgo sign like the Bronx County Courthouse behind center field at the old Yankee Stadium. While closer, it's quite a distance away up that hill. Too bad the Yankees gave that up.
@@grittyshaker agreed! Love that feeling the warehouse gives to Camden
Yeah the MGM Music Hall at Fenway did get built! I’ve been there only once to an I Prevail concert back in November of 2022 and it definitely gave me Fenway vibes! Really nice hall
Wonderful just what the neighborhood needs; more "luxury" condos
If people don't want them, they will fail.
You would prefer section 8?
Fenway theater is MGM. Amazing venue, don’t think there’s a bad seat in there. Actually going to a show there tonight
I do wonder if in a past life DG fell off an upper deck to his death.
They did the Fenway Theatre. The renovation you mentioned concerning the centerfield bleachers is the back end of the theatre complex.
Fenway theatre is now called mgm theatre. It def happened. Its open and its pretty nice.
The Fenway Theater happened, it's the MGM Music Hall at Fenway now. Been to shows there and it's great. It's a big concert venue.
Back in the 70's and early 80's. Hitting the million mark in attendance was considered a good year. 2 million was great and 3 million was rare.
This would be exciting.
Isn't this similar to what Oakland was offering at Howard Terminal 55 acres With a new stadium. And Ownership preferred a 9 acre stadium in Vegas
That was the A's plan, not Oaklands
55 acres in Oakland means you still have to be in Oakland
@@stevenshore5126 valid point
The Citgo sign needs to remain visible!!!
The fenway theater is still their, it's on the opposite side then that project. I was just at the theater in March. It's not a movie theater, it's more for live performances.
It’s there. It’s the mgm theater. It’s not a movie cinema it’s a concert hall.
The area is next to Boston University and has the T at the freeway, so the space is desired for more than Fenway. The Green Monster building (Lansdowne) feels like the second coming of Mount Davis in Oakland. The rest is fine, but I agree with others that the CITGO sign should stay and represent a good line in the development sand. Yawkey Way has been under developed for years, but it has a charm the way it is now. I'll sacrifice that, but don't make another Mount Anything, anywhere.
This makes me sad. Wish they found a way to accomplish this without ruining the views behind the monster 🤕
6:08 The problems with the San Francisco Giants' attendance is ... San Francisco. When the Giants' targeted fanbase flees a declining city like San Francisco, that's going to hurt the attendance. It's become one of the worst cities in America and it's reflecting in the Giants' attendance.
Baltimore is objectively worse, and has been hemorrhaging productive population at a higher rate, for longer, and yet the o's attendance is up this year.
All this and the Revs can’t even get a stadium.
Hoping the new building behind the monster doesn’t block the Citgo Sign
Fenway Theater by Live Nation would be a concert venue, not a movie theater.
Everyone is trying to do the same as Atlanta and Chicago Cubs did. Kansas City is planning on building a new stadium downtown KC and a large portion of it is meant to be "Battery" esque...
FYI, Fenway Theatre opened last year. It did happen.
I don't like that big building behind the Monster. Will that block the view of the Citgo Sign? Seems like it would.
Not just that it would also destroy the look and feel of the park terrible decision leave it alone
They will add netting over/just past the monster to avoid damage of buildings.
They have been doing a lot of work for years. MGM built a beautiful music hall. Some nice restaurants….Dont know what this will be but ehhh.
That building behind the Green Monster will be a massive problem, I feel bad for all the windows that will get destroyed because of the home runs headed out that way.
This is going to make Boston feel even more European. Living here feels like I’m not part of the US anymore.
I can't tell if you are happy about that or not.
@@niceguy1774 should be happy, its what makes Boston so great
@@niceguy1774 how so?
The "stadium location problem" for the orioles, is that their stadium is located in Baltimore.
Fenway theater is there it’s now the MGM music hall
Nice new homes very close to Fenway Park. Only for those who have a salary of approximately $250,000 to $300,000/yr.
Arizona has all the character of an airplane hanger
And that relates to Fenway in what way?
@@ronniesouthern7829 later in the video he mentions Chase Field
It’ll take as long to complete as the Big Dig.
07:54 Camden Yards was sold out for years after it was built. They were decent in the '90s, but they fell off in the '00s and the attendance followed.
If you look up Manny Ramirez’s 500th home run that he hit at Camden yards, the crowd is insane lol
In my opinion the way it looks of those balconies you can see you can say goodbye to the the gas station sign but looks beautiful let's see all old place out button looks like it's seven stories all 8 stories
Fenway Corners...YES.. Virtual ballpark??? Hell to the effing NOOOO!!!
This place is gonna be more intriguing than Yankees Stadium. This coming from a Yankees fan.
Hey Ginger, SF Giants are already doing something similar called Mission Rock, u see a new building behind right field, by Mcovey Cove. It’s a brand new neighborhood in SF
Behind Right Field across the McCovey Cove
That stadium is also a rarity in that it's one of the few new ballparks that were privately financed (the Giants' ballpark was privately financed by the late Peter Magowan, then the owner of the team).
Sf giants didn't have super star when they were winning World series
Buster Posey was the closest thing we had to a superstar but they did have a team full of amazing players to watch when they were winning the World Series in 2010, 2012 2014
@@ncranger78 no super star. No Manny ramirez, Alex rodriguez etc. Don't need one now
the problem with San Francisco is the homeless/drugs taking over the city
Fenway Theatre is a 5,000 seat live music venue.
They should update Fenway park itself
San Francisco will try to get Ohtani. The MLB rigged the rules by putting a DH in the NL because the MLB wants the Los Angeles Dodgers to get Ohtani. Now the Dodgers, Giants, and Mets have a chance
Bring back the Kenmore Bowladrome!
Ah, man just find a new spot and tear that antique down.
I'm not sure about the building behind the outfield love the other additions though any Boston residents agree
This is disgusting. That building on landsdowne would ruin the vibe of the monster and make the stadium seem out of place a futuristic building like that right outside the monster 🤮🤮🤮🤮 it’s like Mount Davis in Oakland
Boston needs to move on from Fenway. I honestly thought back in 2004, we'd have a real stadium around the 2020's. We got a Casino instead.
Tampa needs to move look at Miami before you build a new stadium
Tampa and Miami both need to move. The fans don’t appreciate the teams they have.
@@ronniesouthern7829Flordia doesn't care for professional sports in general.
Tampa Bay and Miami should move to Vancouver and Montreal.
I think the twins attendance is low due to early cold weather and then the entire AL central is bad and no one wants to watch that
Minnesota is at about right, as we don't seem to want to run away with the division. Floating around .500 all season, the AL Central is weak.
This will extend Fenway Park's lifespan by another 30-40 years
The park was already planned to be around until 2061.
Better keep Wrigley and Fenway as long as they can these are the only 2 historic parks left.
I want at least 15 crack houses installed next to the stadium, after all that’s what they make California do
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They should knockdown the green monster, create more "traditional" seating, and then build this behind it.
Heck they'll never do that are you kidding me thats what makes Fenway park Fenway park it's the unique feature that stands out thats equivalent of getting rid of the Ivy at Wrigley field.
Do you do any research?? The Fenway movie theater that you say never was built is called the Fenway MGM music hall and it attracts many of the top music acts of the day!! I like your content, but now I question it, because you really got this one wrong, so how wrong have you gotten the rest of the places I know zero about??
Is this project the main reason why they’ve decided to reduce the payroll and operate like a small market team?
Will those apartments behind the green monster be a distrraction to the batters? I could see people strobing the lights when opposing teams are batting. 😂😂
Always did, always will.
more high end buildings.
OceanGate stadium
dont bring oceangate into this
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It will block the view of the Citgo sign
Nashville stars
MLB has the new expansion teams like New Orleans, Las Vegas, Indianapolis, Tokyo, Nashville & somewhere new other baseball teams!⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾
High crime in San Francisco? Maybe
Yankees fans will probably start boycotting games soon so I bet their attendance will go down
FJB
They should be spending the money on building a dynasty instead.
All these teams are following the success in development of the neighborhood around Nationals Park
Blame John fisher
Give me the lakers, raiders, and anything, anti- east coast!
hate how fenway is becoming so gentrified to the point where the whole neighborhood is becoming one big tourist trap for yuppies. there's no more aesthetic left to the city, all that's left is boring overpriced apartments and liberal college students who make the city a terrible place to be
I live in Boston. The city is tiny and keep cramming people into it with high rises and new condos which all look the same. Terrible idea which will ruin the aesthetic of the city. Another waste of money coming from the Boston taxpayer
Dude do you live under a rock!?😂😂 jesus christ.
Way too much money to spend on that eyesore
Sad the best team in baseball is 27th in attendance. Can't even get a bandwagon bump in attendance
Just one position ahead of one of the worst teams, the Royals.
When the rays have all their own money they can build their own stadium. The florida taxpayer is NOT going to build them one (c-ya!)
😂😂😂 then your going to cry to Rob Manfred and end up like the Oakland A's. So pay up or lose ur team
Top 2 ballpark in MLB? Yeah okay
The Yankees got a new ballpark. Why not the Red Sox?
Because it's an historic ball park knocking it down and building a new one would upset a lot of fans. A lot of yankee fans were upset what they did to the old Yankee Stadium and built a new one it just doesn't have that old feeling.Why get a new Stadium when you can renovate and save tons of money keep the old tradition.
@@briancalifornia1 Yankee Stadium was a death trap. It was falling apart. Renovating it again would have been way too costly.