I was once a catholic,, when I was converted and born again,, I did not even know about the teachings in speaking in tongues.. I just repented genuinely and accepted the gospel of Christ then it happened!! I spoke in tongues!! The sins that I truly enjoyed doing in the past was removed by the Holy Ghost!! Thank you Jesus!!
It would seem that when you were Catholic, you didn't partake in the sacrament of Reconciliation, or pray your daily prayers where examining your conscience and repenting of sins is a daily practice.
I was a Baptist Preacher, raised in the Baptist Denomination, I met a brother from the Apostolic faith and he encouraged me to study, I studied and prayed and the spirit of God encouraged me to be Baptized in the name of Jesus, about a month later I received the Holy Ghost, and I have never felt empty since then. I felt empty before, like I was missing something up until I obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ.
What most Pentecostals believe is that they don't receive the Holy Spirit until they are baptized in His name. But the truth declares to us via Scripture that a person receives the Holy Spirit the moment they hear and believe the gospel, Gal. 3:2, and are immediately placed in the body of Christ. This entire event of the Christian's salvation experience is spiritual and is referred to by Paul in the following verse in (1 Co 12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
@Harvest Workers Water and Spirit birth is the New Birth! Water Baptism is Spiritual with Holy Spirit Baptism. Born of God is by Water Baptism in His Name and receiving the Holy Spirit in His Name. Sadly, people put man made Ideas above scripture. God gives Salvation, but we must receive it. Jesus gives repentance by His Spirit, He gives Baptism by His Spirit when His body, the Church, baptizes us, and when He gives us His Spirit. He does it by Himself by His Power. We just have to believe, receive, and obey! When you don't accept and obey, you don't receive the free gift of His Salvation. John 3:5/Acts 2:38.
@@lefonzopollock4345 . . (1 Co 1:17 KJV) For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. Keep in mind that the following verse points to a SPIRITUAL baptism, not a water baptism. (1 Cor. 12:13 KJV) For by one "SPIRIT" are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. In other words, the very moment a person hears and believes the gospel message that Jesus Christ died for their sins and rose again from the dead, the HOLY SPIRIT places that new born-again believer into the body of Christ, the Church. Keep in mind that this new birth has NOTHING to do with water baptism. Water baptism is merely as act of faith performed by the believer to show other believers that they have NOW decided to follow Jesus Christ by going under the water (dying to the old life or old man) and coming up out of the water (living a new life unto God after the new man). Water baptism doesn't regenerate anyone. But it is a form of sanctification. Salvation is by grace through faith, Eph 2:8. God bless!
@Harvest Workers The sent not to baptize doesn't mean believers aren't baptized to be born of the water. Paul was addressing the following of men and their ministry instead of following Him(Jesus Christ) through the Ministries He(Christ) left to the Church. First-Apostles Second-Prophets Third- Evangelist Then Pastors & Teachers. People were following personalities and certain people who taught certain doctrines. Of course, Paul was sent to baptize, so the "not sent to baptize" must be kept in the context of what Paul is saying, to who and why.
There's two types of speaking in tongues: the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost, and then giving a message to the Church in tongues, which is an additional gift and is one of the nine gifts of the Spirit outlined in Corinthians.
I was a Baptist for 30 years and went to two bible colleges. I never had victory over sexual sin in my life until I got conviction to ask God to give me the Holy Ghost. I had to repent and then spoke in another language I never knew . Then 6 mnths later led by God to the oneness doctrine and the Apostles faith . I thank God for this and I got baptized in Jesus Christ name then everything in Gods word came into light .
That's interesting, I grew up second generation in the "oneness" pentecostal movement and mine and many others who have been in the movement have experienced the exact opposite. I spoke in tongues at 4 years old and went on to live a life totally contradictory to scripture until I turned 21 and completely surrendered my life to Christ without the "evidence" of speaking in another language and was granted power to overcome the sin in my life. My husband had the same experience. So I'm not sure we can base truth on experience, we can only base truth on truth.
I'm sorry if you understood what I said to be diminishing to his walk, that was not my intention. I was trying to present that truth isn't based on experience. Our experiences have been totally opposite and judging by our experiences alone would be confusing to someone seeking the truth. We have to go to the truth for truth. Does that help clarify my intentions?
@@Fatherandsonreact Mam' you are diminishing a very important instruction in the gospel, which is baptism of the holy spirit. Call it "experience" if you will. But from John the Baptist up to the great commission we are to yearn and wait for "the helper" holy spirit baptism. Sure, our brother here mentioned tongues but focus on the importance of the full Gospel. Repentance, water baptism, spirit baptism. Goodbye now.
I respect Dr. Bernard for engaging in this conversation with Dr. White. The topic moved from the original question to something else. This usually happens when someone doesn't have an answer to a question. Dr. Smith brought up the "Gift of Tongues", which is different from the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost. I usually bring up this example when discussing the New Birth. This is a shortened version that everyone, ESPECIALLY WOMEN, can understand. A Birth is accompanied by 3 things: Water, Blood and Life. 1) When there is a pending birth, there is the breaking of water (Baptism); 2) Whether by C-Section or natural birth, there is the flow of blood; (Repentance- without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins) 3) Once the baby is delivered, the Mother is still not satisfied and neither is the Doctor's job done until another phenomenon takes place. That baby has to produce an initial sound to denote life. He/she has to cough, cry, exhale...something! Whenever I engage in "debate" or conversation with someone of a different belief, I always remember I Corinthians 2:14.
@@tox1844 I myself have read the whole new testament several times and there is no contradiction or confusion, it all flows together in perfect harmony with a good grasp of what it is truly saying. There is nothing that says that speaking in tongues is Not something that happens when you receive the Holy Spirit. Intact there is more showing that a person Will speak in tongues when receiving the Holy Spirit.
At 38 yrs old on July 24th 2020 I repented of my sins. On July 26th 2020 I was filled with the gift of the Holy Ghost and I knew it because I began to stammer and speak with another language of which I never heard before nor had ever learned. On August 2nd 2020 I then was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins. Since then my life has never been the same. My heart has been forever changed. I used to be bound by a life addicted to sex, drugs, rock n'roll, lying, and stealing with no power within me to stop. It is only by the power I received of God's Holy Spirit that I am now able to live a holy life or even know what that is alongside God's Holy Word. I pray that everyone would come to have this same experience of being born again and being made right with God in Jesus Holy name 🙏
Notice the host keeps cutting off Dr Bernard to go to break but the one time he cut James White off he promised him a response after the break something he never gave to Dr Bernard.
@Silas Anguiano . . It is a biblical fact that every believer receives the Holy Spirit the moment they hear and believe the good news that Jesus Christ died for their sins and rose again the third day, which is called justification that accompanies regeneration of the spirit or simply put, to be born-again. On the other hand, this experience of speaking in tongues that the majority of Pentecostals and Charasmatics claim they receive is most often subsequent to their initial born-again experience. Once in awhile, as you claim your case was, it happens all at the same time, which I believe is a much rarer thing. God bless
The mistake that Dr. White makes is that of declaring that, we can’t assume the new converts in Acts 2 spoke in tongues. The opposite must be said as well. That. We can’t assume that they didn’t. We must move further into the Book of Acts to confirm or deny the elements assumed to be true. Bro. Bernard does an excellent job of pointing to those proofs in the word. People don’t want to reject the gift of the Holy Sprit. They want to reject that they would speak in tongues, as proof of receiving it. Remember. Some thought they were drunk with new wine. How’s that for proof?
But why do assumptions have to be made at all? There is no clear passage that states speaking in tongues upon being filled with the Holy Spirit is the normative experience for ALL believers. I don't understand why Dr. Bernard maintains this position.
Love the answers from the callers that are oness believers. I have listened to multiple debates with Oness vs Trinitarians and in most of the debates the Pastor who is representing the Trinity beliefs seem to get agitated and offended, also, they tend to interrupt the other person's explanation.
Also, I wonder if Trinitarians reject any other gifts? If Dr. White believes that speaking in tongues was during the day of Pentecost and that's it, what about the other gifts? We cross reference in the bible to understand and confirm what is being explained and said. The book Of Joel and Isaiah speaks of what is to come from the day of Pentecost and forward. I pray for all churches of Christ Jesus to understand God's word and for all of us to be in one accord.
I encourage you to watch Dr. Walter Martin debate against oneness doctrines on RUclips, search for Walter Martin Trinity vs oneness and watch it completely, it may change your perspective about oneness church and their doctrines
@@alb7714 Saw it, still a oneness believer. Searching to understand the Trinity Belief lead me to Oneness Belief. Not going back to Trinitarian belief.
These people do not know when Gods spirit even comes in a person ,thats why they say tou have to dpeak in tongues to go to heaven . Tongues are a second blessing to those alteady in the spirit .Gods spirit came in me like a rushing wind the day i fully repented and gave my life to him ,crying weeping like a baby . My heart ,appearence insude and out changed rhat day . I felt light as a feather and about 10 feet high . Loved like i never have before. Thats when i was born again not when I received tongues nor was it when I was baptized.
Stands to reason Jesus wouldn’t send them to tarry for the gift of the Holy Spirit unless there was an outward evidence of receiving it. Otherwise how would they possibly know.
There must be a distinction made between... Speaking in another tongue when one receives the Holy Ghost and the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the "Gift of Tongues" being two distinct things.
There is a difference in speaking in tongues when you receive the Holy Ghost!! The gift of tongues is a separate gift that not everyone receives it is for the edifying of the church!! Should not be confused .
@@leslieparmer9327 But where does it say that **EVERYONE** that is born of the Spirit will speak in other tongues as the Spirit gives them utterance? You've provided the narrative of the Gentiles receiving the Holy Ghost but at no point does that passage indicate that that's the expected experience for ALL, nor do any of the other Scriptures you've listed. If speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit, where is the Scripture that says that?
@@M-JACOY tongues is the initial "sign" that one has received the Holy Spirit. The Book of Acts reveals this by the accounts written there in. Acts 2:1-4 reads the spoke in tongues as the Holy Spirit enabled them. Notice, ALL who received the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues. In Acts 10, all who received the Spirit spoke in tongues. In Acts 19, all who received the Spirit, spoke in tongues. Interestingly, in Acts 19, Paul was a believer and the 12 who received the Holy Spirit were believers and they are the only ones there yet, the sign of tongues was given and NO unbelievers were present nor was there another people group there to which another human language needed to be spoken to give a message to...just saying.
The bible does not always record full conversion. For example, we know Saul, whose name was changed to Paul was baptized, but it did not say he received the Holy Ghost, however we know he did receive the Holy Ghost because Paul said in 1 Corth. 14:18 I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all. Remember in John 21:25 I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.
Pastor Bernard stayed on point. The general subject stayed coherent when the Word of God was closely examined. Pastor Bernard stated clearly that looking to speaking with tongues as an initial sign of the infilling Holy Spirit is not, in fact, in the category of extra-Biblical revelation. This concept of tongues is exactly the opposite of extra-Biblical revelation because it is found explicitly in scripture in the OT and NT. The early New Testament church did not require the association of speaking in tongues and God’s Spirit spelled out explicitly. They knew. Those who desired God’s Spirit desired the life-changing experience of speaking with new tongues because that’s what being baptized with God’s presence was and is-an experience! Mr. White’s accusation against Pastor Bernard of adding or assuming concepts outside of the context of the scripture was baseless because no evidence was proven against tongues within the scripture. Instead, Mr. White resorted to personal experience from his knowledge of Salvation; whereas, Pastor Bernard had the confirmation of both Spirit and Truth from both his testimony and the Word of God. We must be DOERS of the Word….we are only deceiving ourselves if we hear the Word exclusively and do not pursue an actual experience in God. (James 1:22)
Dr. White does has a point. Dr. Bernard's position is based on his personal reconciliation of Scripture and then reading that reconciliation into the text. It simply comes down to this: where in the Bible does it claim that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit? You would think for such an important topic, we could point to at least once verse on which one can explicitly make this claim.
Just for observation, James White says David Bernard has to assume that after Acts 2 other people who received the Holy Spirit spoke with other tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, but James white is also assuming they didn't speak with other tongues. No scripture says believers following Acts 2 didn't speak with other tongues when they became filled with the Holy Spirit. What had happened in Acts 2 was a fulfilment of a prophecy made by Joel in Joel 2:28-29. The prophecy don't indicate that what would happen as a result of the outpouring of the spirit was temporary and only for a specific time; therefore, in Acts 2 we see a fulfillment of prophecy, and Peter stated in Acts 2:38-39 that the promise of what's recorded is to even as many as the Lord shall call. Those who have been called by the Lord will have this experience.
The angel said to Cornelius that peter will tell thee what you ought to do. Acts 10:4-6 KJV And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. [5] And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: [6] He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
Andrew it is a sign that follows a believer , "15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will follow those who [d]believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;..." it is the promise of the Father, "4And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” It's a way the Lord speaks to his people and the rest from the Lord, 11For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, 12To whom He said, “This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest,” And, “This is the refreshing”; Yet they would not hear.
The fruits of the Spirit are the evidence of having the Holy Spirit but not the initial evidence at the time a believer recieves. Speaking in " tongues" is. In the original Greek that the N.T. was written in the English word " tongues" us actually singular not plural.
Acts 10:44-48 KJV While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
I do believe in tongues, but that been said: I don't agree with the initial evidence doctrine, even in the early pentecostal movement not every group promoted this view.
What you’ve seen and heard, well in acts it says that there was the sound of a mighty rushing wind, and tongues of fire sat upon the apostle, does that also happen today? No, but peter said what you see and hear, what he was talking about was the gift of the Spirit himself since up until that point the Spirit would rest upon certain people, but now the Spirit indwells all people who believe.
Well there wasn't a sound of a mighty rushing wind when Cornelius house begin to speak in tongues. So? And these two events were actually years apart. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 "For they heard them speak with tongues", and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Jerry Garcia yes you’re right, 10 points to you, tongues are a sign to unbelievers, yet Christians have made it a sign to believers, contradicting the word.
@@optres Just get a 12 pack of toilet paper (Scott brand) and some arrowhead water. Thanks ;) In Corinthians 14 Paul addressing the church about overzealously speaking in tongue, Verse 22 but he was actually making a point by echoin from Isaiah 28:11-12, Yes from outside view of the unbeliever, the tongue is a sign. Because he was already addressing believers that experienced it, so they didn't need to see a sign that they already experienced.
I live in Austin and I was baptized and had hands laid on me in 1970 at which time I believe I receive the Holy Spirit there was something very tangible there. I'm not sure that speaking in tongues is a prerequisite to salvation but I think it is probably a result of it. In Acts 2:38 it says be baptized and then acts 8:17 it says the apostles laid hand on the already saved Believers that they might speak in tongues and this was my experience in the worldwide Church of God on April 12th 1970. We cannot always rely on men but with the Holy Spirit in us we do have guidance
James White gives monumental evidence at the 29:50 mark as to why speaking in tongues is not the initial evidence since it is only recorded in 3 books of the NT. If it were that important it surely would have been documented in many more books of the NT as well.
Mr Bernard seems to be building his own doctrine by pulling a Scripture here or there out of its context, while Mr White seems to be most often allowing the Scriptures to speak for themselves.
,Apostle Paul said have you receive the holy ghost since you believe when he arrived in Ephesis he uncountered 12 disciples of John the Baptist Act's 19:1--7 they got rebaptized in Jesus name he laid his hands on them and they receive the holy ghost and spoke in tongues
Question: In 1 Corinthians 14... Why did the KJV translators insert the word "unknown" six times before the word tongue throughout this chapter? It was not in the manuscripts being used by the translators and that is why they put the word "unknown" in italics. That changes the overall understanding of the passage and leads to a lot of assumption on the part of pentacostals in saying extatic rambling is what is being talked about.
As a oneness for the first time I have to agree with White, I grew up with this unknown tongue thing and pentecostals have to explain away “ not all speak in tongues” it just gets to obscured! When does Paul speak in tongues/languages more than everyone else if not in church? Is Paul keeping score about in his closet private prayer life? Benard stated on a debate with this other preacher, Cook, that we don’t follow signs they follow us! The signs that following the apostle’s was that the word is around the world in other tongues/languages! If 3000 were converted to the church,, body of Christ, and the evidence was not specifically mentioned it’s just speculation! Acts 2:37 ,,, and they were pricked in their hearts,,,,,and what shall we do? Peter didn’t answer you must speak in tongues and have the evidence! Trinitarians have their triune God, and pentecostals, have their unknown tongue/language! I do believe pentecostals have took descriptive to be prescriptive! Anyone who babbles in tongues compare yourself to Kenneth Copeland test the spirt and see if it’s real!! It just become one of the greatest gimmicks since Azusa St. ,,,people get con into the manifestation of the flesh.! no matter what anybody says modern tongue speakers is all a fake job! It’s all the Bethel movement! Paul thanked God that he could speak in more tongues/languages than anyone else to spread the word! And the evidence that followed is that the word is around the world in all tongues/languages! It was a prophecy of God, that other tongues/languages would bring the word because the Jews were just too stubborn! All 3 times tongues/languages were spoken in Acts Jews were present! Some trinitarian’s explain it it’s the third person of the holy trinity speaking to the first person for you ! The TRUTH is that in Jesus Christ we are complete! Col.2:10!
Salvation is not an ongoing thing, sanctification is. We are regenerated then we repent, receive salvation through justification, an immediate one time gift, continue in sanctification until we are finished by God in Glorification.
Notice Jesus said "we" and "our". I'm other words... Plural. Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. John 14:23 NKJV
Pathetic person. Equating the conversion of Paul with speaking in tongues. What a way to live if that's how you think experiencing God is. I had been doing this fake tongues for so many years before until I humbled myself and studied the word of God. It's just nothing but ecstasy. No difference between hindu tongues. You better wake up and pursue the real fruit of the Spirit. Live holy. Be mature.
@@netsolutionsvpn When I was a teen in the eighties, just felt forced and “spoke” in tongues. I said to myself I will never do that again. Never did. After leaving home I read, “Charismatic Chaos” by John MacArthur and helped me get settled on that issue.
There are 2 reasons one will not receive the Holy Spirit w/ evidence in speaking in other tongues: (1) They are not unreservedly obedient to God. A prerequisite for reception of the Promise of the Father is to express our love to God by obeying His commands. Jesus directly ties the two together in the Gospels (John 14:15-17). (2) Considering this Gift from God something of the past, not for the modern-day Church. James teaches us that one who doubts is double-minded and unstable in all his ways, let not that man expect to receive anything from God (James 1:6,7). | It is God's desire to fill all with His Spirit, and He is still able to do exactly that. This genuine experience is not something anyone is able to "make" happen; it is of the Spirit of God, and is dispatched according to His understanding and His timing. May God bless you and lead you. Amen.
Wrong. I was a pentecostal before, I spoke and prayed in gibberish all the time. I was doing street evangelism and lay hands on people to let them speak in tongues. I was teaching these things before again and again and again coz I want people to experience what I've experienced. I thought that was the Holy Spirit. If I look back on that years of experience, the only person that I can see is a "confused, dishonest when exegeting the Bible, emotional high, and deceived person". And i don't think that's the manifestation of the Holy Spirit's power. However, I believe that the Holy Spirit is still gracious to me. Although I attributed a lot of things that don't have anything to do with Him, He still led me to the truth. I can still speak gibberish right now just like switching "on and off" a light. And I sound like I really speak a language unlike other pentecostals and charismatics who obviously don't sound like they're speaking language, they're just babbling "bababababab dadadadadada, rororororo, bobobobobo,cacacacacap"... However, I consider this as flesh, not spirit. All we need to do is be honest in representing the Bible. Stop this kind of cherry picking verses childish hermeneutics. Study it properly. Be diligent in understanding the word of God. And the truth will set us free. God bless you my friend.
@@netsolutionsvpn Thank you for sharing! If you think speaking in tongues is pointless gibberish, how would you explain those who spoke in tongues in Acts? Was their experience authentic?
ACTS 10 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they HEARD THEM SPEAK with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
D. Bernard shouldve just conceded on the acts 2 40 part of it. theres no reason to assume that the 3000 save spoke in tongues. they received the same spirit - NOT THE SAME GIFT - because the spirit gives as He wills.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈. 😒This makes sense since WE don't believe the way WE should... BECAUSE MEN SAY, "speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"? SINCE FAITH COMES BY THE HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, THEN FAITH IN THE WORDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 2:38 SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND THE LORD HONOURS HIS WORD. WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD? THE PERSON THAT WAS BAPTIZED WAS BAPTIZED BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD AND BELIEVED AND THEREFORE ACTED IN AND ON THOSE WORDS AND GOT BAPTIZED, AND SO THIS REQUIRES FAITH FOR ANY PERSON TO ACT UPON, AND IT IS WRITTEN THAT FAITH ONLY COMES BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD...AND Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈... DO WE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SIGN" REPRESENTS? HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT 1 CORINTHIANS 14:22 AND WHAT A SIGN IS RELATING TO, Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the 👉sign👈 of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
👉The purpose for this Holy Scripture is to point out that a 👉SIGN👈 will be pointed out for all the 👉unbelieving world👈 that Jesus Christ has returned because all the true believers already know that Jesus Christ will be returning at the sound of the 7th Trumpet. ..THROUGH FAITH, BY THE HEARING GOF THE WORD OF GOD. HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees(UNBELIEVER) answered, saying, Master, 👉we would see a sign from thee👈. Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, 👉An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign👈; and there shall no sign be given to it, 👉but👈 the sign of the (prophet Jonas). WHEN A BELIEVER WITNESS'S A PERSON OBEYING ACTS 2:38, THE UNBELIEVER IS DEMONSTRATING FAITH IN THOSE WORDS EXPRESSED IN THAT TEACHING SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME A BELIEVER. TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, AND NOT THE BELIEVERS ALREADY IN THE CHURCH, OR ELSE THEY TOO ARE UNBELIEVERS IF THEY NEED A SIGN OF TOUNGES...SO, WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD? WE DONT PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, BUT TO GOD. SO WHY PREACH AND TEACH LEGALISTIC DOUBT? 1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the 👉wisdom of God👈 (the world by wisdom knew not God), it pleased God by the 👉foolishness of preaching👈 to save them that 👉believe)... AND IT IS WRITTEN, Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, 👉Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins👈, and ye 👉shall👈 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. John 14:15 If ye love me, 👉keep👈 my commandments IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST INTO YOUR HEART, THEN YOU HAVE BECOME A LIVING TEMPLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO KEEP HIS HOLY COMMANDMENTS. 1 John 3:6 (Whoever abides 👉in👈 Him does not sin). Whoever 👉sins👈 has (neither seen Him nor known Him). THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY WHO PRAY IN TONGUES AND ARE COMMITTING ADULTERY DAILY IN A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY SPEAK IN TONGUES? NO, THEY ARE SINNERS IN ADULTERY, AND MEN SAY, ""speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?...NO FAITH IN OBEDIENCE TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IS REQUIRED. LEARN WHAT A SIGN MEANS, 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈. 1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by 👉hearing👈, and hearing by the word of God. Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?👉 NO
1 Corinthians 12:10 lists speaking in tongues as just one of many gifts from the Holy Spirit. To say that all Christians who have received the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues contradicts not just this one verse of 1 Corinthians chapter 12 but several others. God has different gifts for different people because he has different tasks for each Christian. But we are all part of the body of Christianity. A finger has nails but an ear does not because the finger and the ear have different tasks they must perform.
@@joecombs7468 This is an interesting point . I have a slightly different perspective that I will like to add . I believe there are different tongues (acts 2) (1 Corinthians 12) (1 Corinthians 14) and in 1 Corinthians 12 what those tongues are speaking about are the proof tongue and congregational tongue . Not the prayer tongue . God bless !
@@ChrisHDGaming I have no problem with your perspective. My issue is there is nothing saying all Christians speak tongues, and those who say it is in the bible are adding something to the scriptures that is not there.
What about when Jesus was on the cross and he cried out Eli Eli ladathni, they said he was calling for Elijah so apparently he was speaking a different language. Nothing to do with speaking in tongues but another language
The new testament church started in the book of Acts. Shouldn't our experience with Christ the Lord be the same as it was in the beginning? How are we to assume anything else but what Peter preached.
In regards to Mark 16 (which is of questionable authenticity), do you pick up serpents? Moreover, none of the passages you listed claim that tongues speaking is to be expected for ALL believers. That is the point of contention at hand and your comment does appear to move the needle whatsoever.
57:02- James White seems to think he just had an aha moment however that statement did not prove Mr White's point what it actually proved was that every person who becomes part of the church will go through the process recorded in the book of Acts and you cannot practice what's in Corinthians until you have experienced what's in the book of Acts.
So what language did Peter use when he preached to the 3000? And why our tongues for the unbeliever and prophecy for the believer Paul said if it’s not understood nothing is gained that you’re speaking to the air!
There is only one God which Dr Bernard preaches but dr white believes in a lesser jesus,number two in the Godhead,which actually doesn’t exist.Jesus Christ is the One true God,not one of three gods
Notice Jesus says "we" and "our". That is plural Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. John 14:23
I believe that you are filled with the Spirit of God when you are saved but the baptism of the Holy Spirit is something you that seek and ask for after you are saved.
Sad that Dr. White couldn't remove himself personally from the debate. It became emotional for Dr. White because of this. Dr. White should learn to listen when someone is speaking and giving their answer instead of asking it close to 30 times.
As a Oneness, I’m really surprised that David Benard backpedaled on a lot of things! A lot of times, you’ve been in the doctrine so long ago that you believe outsider looking in have to say you’re mad to give you credence for everybody uttering! If you have to assume on anything so did Azusa St when missionaries were sent out to speak in unknown tongues, and nothing was understood they had to come back to the drawing board! In Pentecost, everyone got the message, even though some mocked! Modern tongue speakers are the new mockers like Rodney Brown and David Hernandez!!! but Kenneth Copeland takes the price! I never thought I’d agree with the Baptist either!!!! Though I do believe God could make me speak Chinese right now if he needed me too!!! But we have the word in almost every tongue/language. It’s part of the Bethel movement!
The issue I see with Bernard using Acts 2 as the example how a person is saved, in fact of a person takes the time to read Acts 2 (and other key verses Oneness use) Bernard’s view doesn’t actually follow how it happen in the book of Acts. 1. Not one verse shows anyone seeking to receive the Holy Spirit. It came upon them unexpectedly. However, we do see people in his church seeking to receive the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues, and it is to complete their salvation plan. 2. In all the key verses Bernard uses we read tongues were only given to 12 or more people at the same time. 3. In Acts 3:19 After Peter preached the same message to a different group of Jews he didn’t tell them to repent and be baptized, and there isn’t any evidence that they spoke with other tongues.
Acts 10 Cornelius's house is a perfect example of why tongues is a salvivic matter cause all his house had the same experience that peter and the apostles had.
michael bien you need to explain how. Acts 10 and 2 are about 11 years apart. Also, if you read Acts 15 where Peter speaks of the event with Cornelius, and not once was tongues mentioned. Furthermore, if you read Acts 11 you will gain a better understanding how they were saved. Here are a few verses, but please read the context. 11:14 “and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and your household.....17 Therefore if God gave them the same gift as He gave to us also AFTER believing in the Lord Jesus . . . “
A Layman πιστεύσασιν pisteusasin “having believed”. When you believe, you receive. No one has to seek the sign, the spirit baptism and the sign of the spirit follows belief.
The angel said that Peter would tell them words to be saved. Acts 11:13-16 KJV And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; [14] Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. [15] And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. [16] Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
No he just has to repent and it's only one Baptism if your baptized in the name of Jesus Christ your soul has been covered with the blood of Christ lol nice and for all you just need to repent or confess to the only mediator Jesus Christ
They were discussing the wrong perspective. The debate shouldn't be about how many people spoke in tongues but what was Luke teaching us about the "function" of tongues in God's saving plan for (Jews and Gentiles) in the early church.
Are you joking?? That was awful 😅 he’s not a very good speaker or debater, her over speaks and speaks way to much for someone’s else to answer. His feelings over take him. And his stances are weak. Also, you’ll notice when David is trying to use the same tactic for show, White gets upset LOL! He gave him a taste of his own medicine, showing that most of his talking is just pure assumptions and nothing else.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈. 😒This makes sense since WE don't believe the way WE should... BECAUSE MEN SAY, "speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"? SINCE FAITH COMES BY THE HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, THEN FAITH IN THE WORDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 2:38 SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND THE LORD HONOURS HIS WORD. WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD? THE PERSON THAT WAS BAPTIZED WAS BAPTIZED BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD AND BELIEVED AND THEREFORE ACTED IN AND ON THOSE WORDS AND GOT BAPTIZED, AND SO THIS REQUIRES FAITH FOR ANY PERSON TO ACT UPON, AND IT IS WRITTEN THAT FAITH ONLY COMES BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD...AND Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈... DO WE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SIGN" REPRESENTS? HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT 1 CORINTHIANS 14:22 AND WHAT A SIGN IS RELATING TO, Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the 👉sign👈 of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
👉The purpose for this Holy Scripture is to point out that a 👉SIGN👈 will be pointed out for all the 👉unbelieving world👈 that Jesus Christ has returned because all the true believers already know that Jesus Christ will be returning at the sound of the 7th Trumpet. ..THROUGH FAITH, BY THE HEARING GOF THE WORD OF GOD. HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees(UNBELIEVER) answered, saying, Master, 👉we would see a sign from thee👈. Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, 👉An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign👈; and there shall no sign be given to it, 👉but👈 the sign of the (prophet Jonas). WHEN A BELIEVER WITNESS'S A PERSON OBEYING ACTS 2:38, THE UNBELIEVER IS DEMONSTRATING FAITH IN THOSE WORDS EXPRESSED IN THAT TEACHING SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME A BELIEVER. TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, AND NOT THE BELIEVERS ALREADY IN THE CHURCH, OR ELSE THEY TOO ARE UNBELIEVERS IF THEY NEED A SIGN OF TOUNGES...SO, WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD? WE DONT PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, BUT TO GOD. SO WHY PREACH AND TEACH LEGALISTIC DOUBT? 1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the 👉wisdom of God👈 (the world by wisdom knew not God), it pleased God by the 👉foolishness of preaching👈 to save them that 👉believe)... AND IT IS WRITTEN, Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, 👉Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins👈, and ye 👉shall👈 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. John 14:15 If ye love me, 👉keep👈 my commandments IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST INTO YOUR HEART, THEN YOU HAVE BECOME A LIVING TEMPLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO KEEP HIS HOLY COMMANDMENTS. 1 John 3:6 (Whoever abides 👉in👈 Him does not sin). Whoever 👉sins👈 has (neither seen Him nor known Him). THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY WHO PRAY IN TONGUES AND ARE COMMITTING ADULTERY DAILY IN A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY SPEAK IN TONGUES? NO, THEY ARE SINNERS IN ADULTERY, AND MEN SAY, ""speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?...NO FAITH IN OBEDIENCE TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IS REQUIRED. LEARN WHAT A SIGN MEANS, 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈. 1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by 👉hearing👈, and hearing by the word of God. Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?👉 NO
Wrong when everyone who receives the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues as the Spirit gives you utterance. The gift of tongues dont have nothing to do with speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives you the utterance
@@thomasmcdowell5322, In the beginning, there was only one language, and the Lord destroyed the tower of babel and made all languages, and on the Day of Pentecost the Lord spoke to all nations through ONE TONGUE to different tongues through his Holy Ghost, so now understand in what I'm saying, One Holy Ghost in the utterance spoke to all nations, and they all heard in their own language, so there we have both functions happening through ONE HOLY GHOST. ONE heavenly language, that can speak to all languages at any given time, and why? Because HE made all the LANGUAGES at that time at the tower of BABEL, and at the time of the Day of Pentecost all the nations were present, and they all heard in their OWN language through ONE language, and that language was the Spirit of TRUTH, the same SPIRIT that created all their languages at the time they were created, my friend. I am not into man's religious custom of Apolstoic, Trinity etc doctrines, but I am a firm believer of HOLINESS, and that's what the BIBLE teaches that we are to be, and nothing else.{EPH 1:4}
@@thomasmcdowell5322 If there is {No charity} then there is no Holy Ghost, and if there is no Holy Ghost, then this means that there is no fruits of the HOLY Spirit, because it is written, 1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.... 1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing...because Jesus said, 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I'm not saying forbid tongues, but what I am saying is you are incorrect. The Doctrines of men say what you are teaching.
Very nice. I would be honored to feature you on my channel, and ask that you would reciprocate. Either way, God bless you, and I appreciate all the things you have done.
Dr White I like that you brought up the thief on the cross .. he died after Christ...in the New covenant...he never spoke in tongues..he was not baptized by immersion. Good debate. Dr. White I've enjoyed many of your Scriptural expositions.
I wish Bernard would just answer the question asked near the beginning. He was asked that if he hasn’t spoken in tongues he hasn’t been born again. That is what we (UPC) believe. Why not say that?
Jlarios06 he wanted to be as diplomatic as possible while giving a Godly and graceful response. He wasn’t just talking to one person but many people would see it, he didn’t want to present an image of us that could be misinterpreted
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈. 😒This makes sense since WE don't believe the way WE should... BECAUSE MEN SAY, "speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"? SINCE FAITH COMES BY THE HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, THEN FAITH IN THE WORDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 2:38 SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND THE LORD HONOURS HIS WORD. WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD? THE PERSON THAT WAS BAPTIZED WAS BAPTIZED BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD AND BELIEVED AND THEREFORE ACTED IN AND ON THOSE WORDS AND GOT BAPTIZED, AND SO THIS REQUIRES FAITH FOR ANY PERSON TO ACT UPON, AND IT IS WRITTEN THAT FAITH ONLY COMES BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD...AND Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈... DO WE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SIGN" REPRESENTS? HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT 1 CORINTHIANS 14:22 AND WHAT A SIGN IS RELATING TO, Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the 👉sign👈 of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
👉The purpose for this Holy Scripture is to point out that a 👉SIGN👈 will be pointed out for all the 👉unbelieving world👈 that Jesus Christ has returned because all the true believers already know that Jesus Christ will be returning at the sound of the 7th Trumpet. ..THROUGH FAITH, BY THE HEARING GOF THE WORD OF GOD. HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees(UNBELIEVER) answered, saying, Master, 👉we would see a sign from thee👈. Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, 👉An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign👈; and there shall no sign be given to it, 👉but👈 the sign of the (prophet Jonas). WHEN A BELIEVER WITNESS'S A PERSON OBEYING ACTS 2:38, THE UNBELIEVER IS DEMONSTRATING FAITH IN THOSE WORDS EXPRESSED IN THAT TEACHING SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME A BELIEVER. TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, AND NOT THE BELIEVERS ALREADY IN THE CHURCH, OR ELSE THEY TOO ARE UNBELIEVERS IF THEY NEED A SIGN OF TOUNGES...SO, WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD? WE DONT PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, BUT TO GOD. SO WHY PREACH AND TEACH LEGALISTIC DOUBT? 1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the 👉wisdom of God👈 (the world by wisdom knew not God), it pleased God by the 👉foolishness of preaching👈 to save them that 👉believe)... AND IT IS WRITTEN, Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, 👉Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins👈, and ye 👉shall👈 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. John 14:15 If ye love me, 👉keep👈 my commandments IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST INTO YOUR HEART, THEN YOU HAVE BECOME A LIVING TEMPLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO KEEP HIS HOLY COMMANDMENTS. 1 John 3:6 (Whoever abides 👉in👈 Him does not sin). Whoever 👉sins👈 has (neither seen Him nor known Him). THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY WHO PRAY IN TONGUES AND ARE COMMITTING ADULTERY DAILY IN A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY SPEAK IN TONGUES? NO, THEY ARE SINNERS IN ADULTERY, AND MEN SAY, ""speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?...NO FAITH IN OBEDIENCE TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IS REQUIRED. LEARN WHAT A SIGN MEANS, 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈. 1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by 👉hearing👈, and hearing by the word of God. Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?👉 NO
Guffy Uzusaki Jesus wasn’t being diplomatic when he said, Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." People just need to answer the questions.
I think we can all agree that for almost 2 thousand years there really was no speaking in tongues except for a few heretical religions, would you then say that all of the believers in this time period from the death of the last apostle forward have gone to hell? Calvin, Luther, Wesley, spurgeon, etc.
The idea that one must speak in tongues as sign of salvation is false. The fruits..love joy peace patience...etc are how we can know..as the bible claims ...ye shall know them by their fruits. Physical sign of tongues as evidence of salvation is like the saying...an evil adultress generation seeks after a sign. The gifts are evidence but the bible says God distributes them as He desires.
@@mimilovesjesus1307 referring to a distinct experience accompanying the infilling of the Spirit. Jesus said you will hear the sound, Peter said "this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel". Jesus said "these signs shall follow them that believe, they shall speak with new tongues". One must bare the fruit of the Spirit, however the initial experience for all who received and still receive the Holy Spirit is that they will speak with other tongues.
@@kennethrinicker3200 no... The signs were the listed gifts....that Paul wrote about, and he said not all have the same gifts. They would be varied... As tongues is one of the lesser gifts. Not sure what bible you are reading.. But context is important.
@@mimilovesjesus1307 yes context is important. Paul was instructing the church about governing the gifts in the assembly, completely different context than when someone initially receives the Spirit. Did you not read what Jesus spake of in scriptures previously mentioned? If context means anything to you, you must recognize the difference in an initial experience verses governance within an established body of believers. Look at it yourself in the book of Acts. What was the commonality among those converted? It was the common experience when receiving the Spirit. And still is BTW.
MARK 16 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: THE FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE BOOK OF ACTS. PETER USED THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Acts 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
54:08- it's not possible for a person who was a sinner which would be every person under the sun, to have a full-on Salvation encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ and it not excite you! If your salvation experience was humdrum and intellectual then you are not born again that's a guarantee! God can lead you to repentance but that does not mean you've been filled with his spirit that means he's extending Grace for you to repent and come back to him which would explain the heart change. I think it's funny that people insist that they love God but when others who really do love God get excited and express that love like any normal expression of love, they get offended but the reason they're offended is because they have a religious spirit! I don't see anywhere in the Bible where somebody had an encounter with God and they did not leap clap jump cry shout raise their hands dance praise God go tell everybody I mean just read every encounter someone had with the living God and not one of them walked away with the attitude of this caller or the attitude of James White. The people that had that attitude were people like Judas and other false converts who viewed their relationship to God as something that benefited them. It's called Head knowledge.
Yes, they can be demon possessed. When u backslide,it means u go back to your old life. Which means u don’t have the Holy Ghost (If u still had the Holy Ghost, u would not backslide, bcuz the spirit of God would help u and u would not allow yourself to backslide) and when u don’t have the Holy Ghost, evil spirits can easily possess you.
Following Dr. White’s comments the assumption would be that circumcision is not a sign of being a Jew because it is not mentioned in a majority of the books of the Old Testament. Dr. Bernard is not speaking of the gift of tongues which clearly 1st Corinthians 12 is addressing for the most part. I believe that much like circumcision was a sign that someone was Hebrew, tongues is a sign that evidences a new birth or born again experience. Dr. White argues that tongues is used by non christian persons and can be faked. So was circumcising. Yet those who were not Hebrews were not considered by God to be Hebrews just because they were circumcised. Anyone can claim to be something they are not and tongues or no tongues will not change that. Wolves in sheep’s clothing is a universal problem. Following Dr White’s rational he should not be baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost because it is ONLY spoken of in one place, in one verse. It is not ever expressly declared anywhere else and yet it is the primary mode of baptism worldwide within christian circles (not mine).
One of the problems I see is that people aren’t speaking in a language.. it’s becomes another “look at me” show. I’ve watched children try to mimic and please their parents by going up to the altar and trying to cry with one eye open. I’ve seen so much gibberish because it’s just in us to want to please other people. Many people mistakenly think that the scripture and then end of acts 2:38 says “with the evidence of speaking in tongues” and it doesn’t. So much about the rules and what all you need to do takes your eyes off of Him and places eyes upon yourself. How long does it take us to sum up another Pentecostal? It takes me about 5 seconds to sum up another UPC lady.. well, her outward appearance anyway 😩
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth by every word that comes from his mouth is God a mute that he cannot speak no God sees God hears and God Acts.... The Canon of scripture is closed but the Holy Spirit does expressly speak things and we judge prophecy and the workings and conduct by the Word.. let everything be tested and hold on to what is good despise not and forbid not prophesying nor speaking in tongues grieve not the spirit of God nor blaspheme Him.
Scripturally speaking are we sure that conversion is being born again? Jesus taught Nicodemus that were to be born of the water and of the Spirit... It's a pretty clear testimony of baptism both water and spirit baptisms as John his cousin was his forerunner leading the people to repentance and baptizing them telling them to have faith in Christ. Jesus said you have to be born of the water and of the spirit to enter the kingdom... The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force....I think many people have been converted and have received eternal life but necessarily have not been born again but I don't deny that they may have life in His Name. This may seem crazy to some of you to others you may know what I'm talking about but since I died on 4/6/2019.. now I didn't die technically but it was really close. I had a sudden cardiac arrest and my heart didn't pump blood for several minutes my only negative side effect was a coma for a day and I lost a little bit of short-term memory. I have had several shifts in my thought process and teachings all based on the Word of God and the revelation of the Spirit.. one was a dream that was so clear in response to a prayer that I had been praying for 5 days asking the Lord for a dream over the right way to baptize he showed me clearly in the dream by me telling two people that they needed to be baptized in Jesus Name and then he showed me and said "so do you." I had already believed this was the clear teaching from the book of Acts but it is not traditionally a common practice nowadays but was the practice of the apostles without exception all of them were baptized in Jesus name and all of them were filled with the Spirit of God. Some believe that is the Born again experience and I cannot prove that wrong. So we are saved we are being saved and we shall be saved. Salvation is a process. He was raised for our justification we're justified by faith and he pours out the Holy Spirit on those who believe and obey the gospel.... But some are not fully taught the gospel so God deals with us on individual basis.
Being raised Pentecostal oneness I have heard tongues and in my opinion they were emotional I’ve heard people say ok everyone pray in your pray tongue I’ve seen people trying to teach people have to speak in tongues and that goes on everyday in churches, just like you hear people confess Jesus Christ and confess they are saved and live like the devil and on the other hand you have people that speak in tongues and it’s real it’s not a show and usually it’s a personal experience(in my case) in their prayer closet and I’ve seen people who really confess Jesus Christ and live it So you can find people who fake both tongues and as a follower of Jesus Christ but you don’t throw out the whole teaching because you have fakers.
What you said is correct. But people like Bernard would deny this, but for the many of us who left the movement can verify this to be true, and it also happens in the AOG church. They try to put syllables in a persons mouth and if a person speaks one syllable, then they will tell you that is tongues. The main one is “da” and if you repeat that over and over they will say that you have the Holy Spirit and are speaking in tongues. As Dr. White says, estatic speech.
Kt Carroll I originally left because there were a lot of unanswered questions regarding some of the legalistic teaching, and later because a lot of the teaching did not line up with what the Scriptures actually says. We can’t take many verses at face value, they tend to always have an alternative meaning.
A Layman we have a few apostolic churches in my area but they are very small 10-30 people max and the smaller the more legalistic they become - no tv no Christmas and my goodness that Easter bunny gets preached on more than Jesus around that time of year I tend more to the oneness of a Jesus and not the Trinitarian teaching and stay away from dress codes hair codes etc
Kt Carroll I think my biggest problem with the Oneness doctrine is that it is a fairly new doctrine which got its start in the early 20th century, and when I listen to Bernard speak about this new salvation plan that has not been the Christian doctrine down through church history, I realize that the Oneness view would send billions of people to hell.
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?”...of course not!!...oneness folks please read your Bible without this weirdos looking over your shoulder 🤨
Genuinely curious if ANYONE speaks in tongues, flows in the gift of healing or interprets tongues in your experience of Church and the body. And i do mean genuinely! Cause i see a lot of refuting some INCREDIBLE gifts of God, without a proper explanation of how these are carried out today. We must seek the Holy Spirit for revelation, above the wisdom of man. We must trust God to reveal HIS truth and HIS truth alone! Blessings to you brother!!
Mr. James White vs. Jesus According to Mr. White, Jesus is either false, incorrect, confused, or in error. Because absent from the "words" of Jesus stating that everyone must be born of water and of Spirit in order to enter into heaven, are all the following words: faith, believe, repent, obey, trust, and grace.
So basically he’s saying just cause it wasn’t recorded that they spoke in tongues they didn’t have too? His argument is weak because it can also be said the same for what he believes lol! Where does it specifically say that they didnt speak in tongues and that they didn’t have to? Weak stance.
No ...not every believer speaks in tongues. It is a gift....as God disperses...and all the gifts are varying. 1 cor. 12. We are saved by believing the gospel.
They let James White talk all day but when it’s time for David Bernard to speak he always gets cut off....? Interesting.... Sorry Bro. Bernard they only want you to say so much
Good Day😊 Baptist asked me, Who Baptized the Apostles? Are They Baptized in water in Jesus Name? what would be our response to those questions? Pls help me to give them a clear answer😊
@@thomasmcdowell5322 considering how the Apostolic faith completely ignores Paul's instructions regarding tongues and creates they're own rules taking completely out of context how and why tongues was expressed in Acts, we will just have to agree to disagree. The Apostilic doctrine for tongues both adds and takes away from scripture both acts which are also unbiblical.
@@BenjaminSharkey don't confuse the infilling of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the spirit gives utterance with the gift of tongues received the gift after you received the Holy Ghost what are you talkin about
I wish Dr. Bernard would have voted Mark 16:17....and these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name they shall cast out devil's; they shall speak with new tongues. Scripture proof of believers speaking in tongues.
@@faithfultheology more like he didn't because the context of that scripture is clearly Jesus speaking to His diciples and refferring to them and the early church, NOT EVERY single person who beleives.
@@faithfultheology that's a myth, more than 99 percent of the manuscripts had it..There is only two greek manuscripts that lack this scripture which are codices Sinaticus and Vaticanus. and let's say for your sake, even if it was added, that doesn't change the fact that the context of it is clearly Jesus refferring that these gifts shall accompany those of the early church, NOT every single believer for all of time.
Yes let us covet the greater gifts yet they are not... because their sensation is and believe these things are for not for today... but we should always be pursuing all that God has for us.. Salvation justified by faith saved ongoing salvation sanctification working out your salvation with fear and trembling making your calling and election sure continuing in him rooted and grounded being filled with all the fullness of God... This is the call of the minister of Christ that we might labor with his strength until Christ be formed in them... How can we grow up in Christ if we do not receive the promise of the father if we do not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit... Now first Corinthians 6:17 he who has been joined to the Lord has become one spirit I have a hard time believing that I wasn't born again or joined to the Lord at my conversion when I was a boy yet I was not water baptized nor baptized in the spirit but I do believe I was made alive in Christ because the spirit gives life... So I'm wondering was I converted in my soul and did I receive eternal life but was not born again and Born into the kingdom of God because I had not yet obeyed and received that which God commanded and promised.?
1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1:03:02 yes, when you "speak in tongues" and there is no interpretation, you are only edifying yourself which you should NOT do. The Bible here speaks of this as a NEGATIVE thing.
Calvary Bible Study If it was Negative like you say, why was Paul thankful for doing it more than all of them? “I thank my God I speak in tongues more than you all”
I was once a catholic,, when I was converted and born again,, I did not even know about the teachings in speaking in tongues.. I just repented genuinely and accepted the gospel of Christ then it happened!! I spoke in tongues!! The sins that I truly enjoyed doing in the past was removed by the Holy Ghost!! Thank you Jesus!!
Praise God!
Thares people out thare that don't believe in speaking in tounges
@@silasanguiano3796 Speaking in tounges were a sign for Jews and Paul says if any speak in tounges let there be an interpreter.
It would seem that when you were Catholic, you didn't partake in the sacrament of Reconciliation, or pray your daily prayers where examining your conscience and repenting of sins is a daily practice.
I was a Baptist Preacher, raised in the Baptist Denomination, I met a brother from the Apostolic faith and he encouraged me to study, I studied and prayed and the spirit of God encouraged me to be Baptized in the name of Jesus, about a month later I received the Holy Ghost, and I have never felt empty since then. I felt empty before, like I was missing something up until I obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thares people out there that don't believe in speaking in tounges
What most Pentecostals believe is that they don't receive the Holy Spirit until they are baptized in His name.
But the truth declares to us via Scripture that a person receives the Holy Spirit the moment they hear and believe the gospel, Gal. 3:2, and are immediately placed in the body of Christ.
This entire event of the Christian's salvation experience is spiritual and is referred to by Paul in the following verse in (1 Co 12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
@Harvest Workers
Water and Spirit birth is the New Birth! Water Baptism is Spiritual with Holy Spirit Baptism. Born of God is by Water Baptism in His Name and receiving the Holy Spirit in His Name. Sadly, people put man made Ideas above scripture. God gives Salvation, but we must receive it. Jesus gives repentance by His Spirit, He gives Baptism by His Spirit when His body, the Church, baptizes us, and when He gives us His Spirit. He does it by Himself by His Power. We just have to believe, receive, and obey! When you don't accept and obey, you don't receive the free gift of His Salvation. John 3:5/Acts 2:38.
@@lefonzopollock4345 . . (1 Co 1:17 KJV) For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Keep in mind that the following verse points to a SPIRITUAL baptism, not a water baptism.
(1 Cor. 12:13 KJV) For by one "SPIRIT" are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
In other words, the very moment a person hears and believes the gospel message that Jesus Christ died for their sins and rose again from the dead, the HOLY SPIRIT places that new born-again believer into the body of Christ, the Church.
Keep in mind that this new birth has NOTHING to do with water baptism.
Water baptism is merely as act of faith performed by the believer to show other believers that they have NOW decided to follow Jesus Christ by going under the water (dying to the old life or old man) and coming up out of the water (living a new life unto God after the new man).
Water baptism doesn't regenerate anyone. But it is a form of sanctification.
Salvation is by grace through faith, Eph 2:8.
God bless!
@Harvest Workers
The sent not to baptize doesn't mean believers aren't baptized to be born of the water. Paul was addressing the following of men and their ministry instead of following Him(Jesus Christ) through the Ministries He(Christ) left to the Church.
First-Apostles
Second-Prophets
Third- Evangelist
Then Pastors & Teachers. People were following personalities and certain people who taught certain doctrines.
Of course, Paul was sent to baptize, so the "not sent to baptize" must be kept in the context of what Paul is saying, to who and why.
There's two types of speaking in tongues: the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost, and then giving a message to the Church in tongues, which is an additional gift and is one of the nine gifts of the Spirit outlined in Corinthians.
I was a Baptist for 30 years and went to two bible colleges. I never had victory over sexual sin in my life until I got conviction to ask God to give me the Holy Ghost. I had to repent and then spoke in another language I never knew . Then 6 mnths later led by God to the oneness doctrine and the Apostles faith . I thank God for this and I got baptized in Jesus Christ name then everything in Gods word came into light .
Please share your testimony on RUclips, I think it would help many.
That's interesting, I grew up second generation in the "oneness" pentecostal movement and mine and many others who have been in the movement have experienced the exact opposite. I spoke in tongues at 4 years old and went on to live a life totally contradictory to scripture until I turned 21 and completely surrendered my life to Christ without the "evidence" of speaking in another language and was granted power to overcome the sin in my life. My husband had the same experience. So I'm not sure we can base truth on experience, we can only base truth on truth.
@@Fatherandsonreact rather than diminish his walk how about you encourage?🤷
I'm sorry if you understood what I said to be diminishing to his walk, that was not my intention. I was trying to present that truth isn't based on experience. Our experiences have been totally opposite and judging by our experiences alone would be confusing to someone seeking the truth. We have to go to the truth for truth. Does that help clarify my intentions?
@@Fatherandsonreact Mam' you are diminishing a very important instruction in the gospel, which is baptism of the holy spirit. Call it "experience" if you will. But from John the Baptist up to the great commission we are to yearn and wait for "the helper" holy spirit baptism. Sure, our brother here mentioned tongues but focus on the importance of the full Gospel. Repentance, water baptism, spirit baptism. Goodbye now.
I just love the humble attitude of Dr. Bernard.
Yes he is humble...just like legion in the gadarean
@@carlospadron488he is a humble man of God. Bye
I respect Dr. Bernard for engaging in this conversation with Dr. White. The topic moved from the original question to something else. This usually happens when someone doesn't have an answer to a question. Dr. Smith brought up the "Gift of Tongues", which is different from the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost. I usually bring up this example when discussing the New Birth. This is a shortened version that everyone, ESPECIALLY WOMEN, can understand. A Birth is accompanied by 3 things: Water, Blood and Life. 1) When there is a pending birth, there is the breaking of water (Baptism); 2) Whether by C-Section or natural birth, there is the flow of blood; (Repentance- without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins) 3) Once the baby is delivered, the Mother is still not satisfied and neither is the Doctor's job done until another phenomenon takes place. That baby has to produce an initial sound to denote life. He/she has to cough, cry, exhale...something! Whenever I engage in "debate" or conversation with someone of a different belief, I always remember I Corinthians 2:14.
Wow. To each their own I suppose
This is absolutely NOT what the Bible teaches. Read the entire chapters of the verses regarding spiritual gifts.
Read ENTIRE 1 Corinthians chapter 12….not just what u want.
@@tox1844 I myself have read the whole new testament several times and there is no contradiction or confusion, it all flows together in perfect harmony with a good grasp of what it is truly saying. There is nothing that says that speaking in tongues is Not something that happens when you receive the Holy Spirit. Intact there is more showing that a person Will speak in tongues when receiving the Holy Spirit.
@@childofgod7023 i forgot wat i said
At 38 yrs old on July 24th 2020 I repented of my sins. On July 26th 2020 I was filled with the gift of the Holy Ghost and I knew it because I began to stammer and speak with another language of which I never heard before nor had ever learned. On August 2nd 2020 I then was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins. Since then my life has never been the same. My heart has been forever changed. I used to be bound by a life addicted to sex, drugs, rock n'roll, lying, and stealing with no power within me to stop. It is only by the power I received of God's Holy Spirit that I am now able to live a holy life or even know what that is alongside God's Holy Word. I pray that everyone would come to have this same experience of being born again and being made right with God in Jesus Holy name 🙏
Notice the host keeps cutting off Dr Bernard to go to break but the one time he cut James White off he promised him a response after the break something he never gave to Dr Bernard.
I noticed that myself
The spirit of my inner man leaped when Dr. David Bernard quoted 1 Corinthians 6:11. Excellence
He wanted you to condemn him. No sir lol
As an apostolic faith. We are trying to explain the truth but still the Holy Spirit is able to give the final revelation.
I've received the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues,,,and it feels good!!! No one will take that experience from me.
We are basically going by your feelings, not scriptures.
I can't deny the experience
U didn't listen to the debate with Dr. Bernard???
Thare r many of us across the United States and in foreign countries that also speak in tounges,,,ur not going to convince me otherwise
@Silas Anguiano . . It is a biblical fact that every believer receives the Holy Spirit the moment they hear and believe the good news that Jesus Christ died for their sins and rose again the third day, which is called justification that accompanies regeneration of the spirit or simply put, to be born-again.
On the other hand, this experience of speaking in tongues that the majority of Pentecostals and Charasmatics claim they receive is most often subsequent to their initial born-again experience.
Once in awhile, as you claim your case was, it happens all at the same time, which I believe is a much rarer thing.
God bless
I wish Bro Bernard would have a full debate with James White on the oneness of God. I would fly anywhere to see it, and I’m scared of airplanes...
They have lol
Look.on youtube white vs bernard oneness vs trinty
The mistake that Dr. White makes is that of declaring that, we can’t assume the new converts in Acts 2 spoke in tongues. The opposite must be said as well. That. We can’t assume that they didn’t. We must move further into the Book of Acts to confirm or deny the elements assumed to be true. Bro. Bernard does an excellent job of pointing to those proofs in the word.
People don’t want to reject the gift of the Holy Sprit. They want to reject that they would speak in tongues, as proof of receiving it. Remember. Some thought they were drunk with new wine. How’s that for proof?
But why do assumptions have to be made at all? There is no clear passage that states speaking in tongues upon being filled with the Holy Spirit is the normative experience for ALL believers. I don't understand why Dr. Bernard maintains this position.
The new testament church started in the book of Acts that's why. If all of them spoke in tongues then why shouldn't we.
Love the answers from the callers that are oness believers. I have listened to multiple debates with Oness vs Trinitarians and in most of the debates the Pastor who is representing the Trinity beliefs seem to get agitated and offended, also, they tend to interrupt the other person's explanation.
Also, I wonder if Trinitarians reject any other gifts? If Dr. White believes that speaking in tongues was during the day of Pentecost and that's it, what about the other gifts? We cross reference in the bible to understand and confirm what is being explained and said. The book Of Joel and Isaiah speaks of what is to come from the day of Pentecost and forward. I pray for all churches of Christ Jesus to understand God's word and for all of us to be in one accord.
I encourage you to watch Dr. Walter Martin debate against oneness doctrines on RUclips, search for Walter Martin Trinity vs oneness and watch it completely, it may change your perspective about oneness church and their doctrines
@@alb7714 Saw it, still a oneness believer. Searching to understand the Trinity Belief lead me to Oneness Belief. Not going back to Trinitarian belief.
@@NathanielMerritt-sf5qs Agree
These people do not know when Gods spirit even comes in a person ,thats why they say tou have to dpeak in tongues to go to heaven . Tongues are a second blessing to those alteady in the spirit .Gods spirit came in me like a rushing wind the day i fully repented and gave my life to him ,crying weeping like a baby . My heart ,appearence insude and out changed rhat day . I felt light as a feather and about 10 feet high . Loved like i never have before. Thats when i was born again not when I received tongues nor was it when I was baptized.
Stands to reason Jesus wouldn’t send them to tarry for the gift of the Holy Spirit unless there was an outward evidence of receiving it. Otherwise how would they possibly know.
Great point!
Using the thief on the cross is a mute point. It was before the holy ghost was sent for ANYONE lol. So the James White guy missed it all together.
There must be a distinction made between...
Speaking in another tongue when one receives the Holy Ghost and the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the "Gift of Tongues" being two distinct things.
There is a difference in speaking in tongues when you receive the Holy Ghost!! The gift of tongues is a separate gift that not everyone receives it is for the edifying of the church!! Should not be confused .
@@leslieparmer9327 Do you have any Biblical backing for this argument?
@@leslieparmer9327 That EVERYONE that is born of the Spirit will speak in other tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. Emphasis on everyone.
@@leslieparmer9327 But where does it say that **EVERYONE** that is born of the Spirit will speak in other tongues as the Spirit gives them utterance? You've provided the narrative of the Gentiles receiving the Holy Ghost but at no point does that passage indicate that that's the expected experience for ALL, nor do any of the other Scriptures you've listed. If speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit, where is the Scripture that says that?
@@M-JACOY tongues is the initial "sign" that one has received the Holy Spirit. The Book of Acts reveals this by the accounts written there in. Acts 2:1-4 reads the spoke in tongues as the Holy Spirit enabled them. Notice, ALL who received the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues. In Acts 10, all who received the Spirit spoke in tongues. In Acts 19, all who received the Spirit, spoke in tongues. Interestingly, in Acts 19, Paul was a believer and the 12 who received the Holy Spirit were believers and they are the only ones there yet, the sign of tongues was given and NO unbelievers were present nor was there another people group there to which another human language needed to be spoken to give a message to...just saying.
The bible does not always record full conversion. For example, we know Saul, whose name was changed to Paul was baptized, but it did not say he received the Holy Ghost, however we know he did receive the Holy Ghost because Paul said in 1 Corth. 14:18 I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all. Remember in John 21:25 I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.
Pastor Bernard stayed on point. The general subject stayed coherent when the Word of God was closely examined. Pastor Bernard stated clearly that looking to speaking with tongues as an initial sign of the infilling Holy Spirit is not, in fact, in the category of extra-Biblical revelation. This concept of tongues is exactly the opposite of extra-Biblical revelation because it is found explicitly in scripture in the OT and NT. The early New Testament church did not require the association of speaking in tongues and God’s Spirit spelled out explicitly. They knew. Those who desired God’s Spirit desired the life-changing experience of speaking with new tongues because that’s what being baptized with God’s presence was and is-an experience! Mr. White’s accusation against Pastor Bernard of adding or assuming concepts outside of the context of the scripture was baseless because no evidence was proven against tongues within the scripture. Instead, Mr. White resorted to personal experience from his knowledge of Salvation; whereas, Pastor Bernard had the confirmation of both Spirit and Truth from both his testimony and the Word of God. We must be DOERS of the Word….we are only deceiving ourselves if we hear the Word exclusively and do not pursue an actual experience in God. (James 1:22)
Amen..thats rigth. Dr. Bernald verey clearly explaine...
Dr. White does has a point. Dr. Bernard's position is based on his personal reconciliation of Scripture and then reading that reconciliation into the text. It simply comes down to this: where in the Bible does it claim that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit? You would think for such an important topic, we could point to at least once verse on which one can explicitly make this claim.
This man wanted so bad for Dr. Bernard to tell him that he was going to hell.
Just for observation, James White says David Bernard has to assume that after Acts 2 other people who received the Holy Spirit spoke with other tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, but James white is also assuming they didn't speak with other tongues.
No scripture says believers following Acts 2 didn't speak with other tongues when they became filled with the Holy Spirit. What had happened in Acts 2 was a fulfilment of a prophecy made by Joel in Joel 2:28-29. The prophecy don't indicate that what would happen as a result of the outpouring of the spirit was temporary and only for a specific time; therefore, in Acts 2 we see a fulfillment of prophecy, and Peter stated in Acts 2:38-39 that the promise of what's recorded is to even as many as the Lord shall call. Those who have been called by the Lord will have this experience.
It's unfortunate that baptizing in the father son and holy ghost is only mentioned once and belief in the Trinity is assumed based on the language
The angel said to Cornelius that peter will tell thee what you ought to do.
Acts 10:4-6 KJV
And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. [5] And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: [6] He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
The bible shows us the evidence of having The Holy Spirit, by the fruit you will know them, not by the speaking of tongues.
Andrew it is a sign that follows a believer , "15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will follow those who [d]believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;..." it is the promise of the Father, "4And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” It's a way the Lord speaks to his people and the rest from the Lord, 11For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,
12To whom He said, “This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,”
And, “This is the refreshing”;
Yet they would not hear.
The fruits of the Spirit are the evidence of having the Holy Spirit but not the initial evidence at the time a believer recieves. Speaking in " tongues" is. In the original Greek that the N.T. was written in the English word " tongues" us actually singular not plural.
Speaking in tongues is absolutely real!
The debate is over between the 33:25 - 4:00 when Mr. White gives his response to what Bernard said.
White wins hands down.
Acts 10:44-48 KJV
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
I do believe in tongues, but that been said: I don't agree with the initial evidence doctrine, even in the early pentecostal movement not every group promoted this view.
Amen Brother Bernard 🙏
What you’ve seen and heard, well in acts it says that there was the sound of a mighty rushing wind, and tongues of fire sat upon the apostle, does that also happen today? No, but peter said what you see and hear, what he was talking about was the gift of the Spirit himself since up until that point the Spirit would rest upon certain people, but now the Spirit indwells all people who believe.
Well there wasn't a sound of a mighty rushing wind when Cornelius house begin to speak in tongues.
So?
And these two events were actually years apart.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 "For they heard them speak with tongues", and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Jerry Garcia yes you’re right, 10 points to you, tongues are a sign to unbelievers, yet Christians have made it a sign to believers, contradicting the word.
@@optres
Just get a 12 pack of toilet paper (Scott brand) and some arrowhead water. Thanks ;)
In Corinthians 14 Paul addressing the church about overzealously speaking in tongue,
Verse 22 but he was actually making a point by echoin from Isaiah 28:11-12,
Yes from outside view of the unbeliever, the tongue is a sign. Because he was already addressing believers that experienced it, so they didn't need to see a sign that they already experienced.
Jerry Garcia 12 pack, lol. How many feet in that 12?
Not all twelves are the same amount of paper.
Jerry Garcia brother if tongues is the sign of the baptism in the HS, then we have a huge problem.
Dr. Bernard tripped him up when he brought up Apollos, and then the other guy said he didn't agree with what the Bible clearly says
I live in Austin and I was baptized and had hands laid on me in 1970 at which time I believe I receive the Holy Spirit there was something very tangible there. I'm not sure that speaking in tongues is a prerequisite to salvation but I think it is probably a result of it. In Acts 2:38 it says be baptized and then acts 8:17 it says the apostles laid hand on the already saved Believers that they might speak in tongues and this was my experience in the worldwide Church of God on April 12th 1970. We cannot always rely on men but with the Holy Spirit in us we do have guidance
James White gives monumental evidence at the 29:50 mark as to why speaking in tongues is not the initial evidence since it is only recorded in 3 books of the NT.
If it were that important it surely would have been documented in many more books of the NT as well.
Mr Bernard seems to be building his own doctrine by pulling a Scripture here or there out of its context, while Mr White seems to be most often allowing the Scriptures to speak for themselves.
,Apostle Paul said have you receive the holy ghost since you believe when he arrived in Ephesis he uncountered 12 disciples of John the Baptist Act's 19:1--7 they got rebaptized in Jesus name he laid his hands on them and they receive the holy ghost and spoke in tongues
Although I do believe that Dr Bernard's view is more consistent with the biblical revelation, I find both views out of balance.
Matthew 7:15
15“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves
Question: In 1 Corinthians 14... Why did the KJV translators insert the word "unknown" six times before the word tongue throughout this chapter? It was not in the manuscripts being used by the translators and that is why they put the word "unknown" in italics.
That changes the overall understanding of the passage and leads to a lot of assumption on the part of pentacostals in saying extatic rambling is what is being talked about.
As a oneness for the first time I have to agree with White, I grew up with this unknown tongue thing and pentecostals have to explain away “ not all speak in tongues” it just gets to obscured!
When does Paul speak in tongues/languages more than everyone else if not in church?
Is Paul keeping score about in his closet private prayer life?
Benard stated on a debate with this other preacher, Cook, that we don’t follow signs they follow us! The signs that following the apostle’s was that the word is around the world in other tongues/languages! If 3000 were converted to the church,, body of Christ, and the evidence was not specifically mentioned it’s just speculation! Acts 2:37 ,,, and they were pricked in their hearts,,,,,and what shall we do? Peter didn’t answer you must speak in tongues and have the evidence! Trinitarians have their triune God, and pentecostals, have their unknown tongue/language! I do believe pentecostals have took descriptive to be prescriptive! Anyone who babbles in tongues compare yourself to Kenneth Copeland test the spirt and see if it’s real!! It just become one of the greatest gimmicks since Azusa St. ,,,people get con into the manifestation of the flesh.! no matter what anybody says modern tongue speakers is all a fake job! It’s all the Bethel movement! Paul thanked God that he could speak in more tongues/languages than anyone else to spread the word! And the evidence that followed is that the word is around the world in all tongues/languages! It was a prophecy of God, that other tongues/languages would bring the word because the Jews were just too stubborn! All 3 times tongues/languages were spoken in Acts Jews were present!
Some trinitarian’s explain it it’s the third person of the holy trinity speaking to the first person for you !
The TRUTH is that in Jesus Christ we are complete! Col.2:10!
Love when Ps. Bernard mentioned Apollo from the book of Acts. Great summation on Dr. White
Salvation is not an ongoing thing, sanctification is. We are regenerated then we repent, receive salvation through justification, an immediate one time gift, continue in sanctification until we are finished by God in Glorification.
I pray that God reveals himself to James White. Anything is possible. He dealt with Saul -Paul.
He has. James white is right.
Dr bernard just assumes everything yet it’s not in the text.
Notice Jesus said "we" and "our". I'm other words... Plural.
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
John 14:23 NKJV
Pathetic person. Equating the conversion of Paul with speaking in tongues. What a way to live if that's how you think experiencing God is. I had been doing this fake tongues for so many years before until I humbled myself and studied the word of God. It's just nothing but ecstasy. No difference between hindu tongues. You better wake up and pursue the real fruit of the Spirit. Live holy. Be mature.
@@netsolutionsvpn When I was a teen in the eighties, just felt forced and “spoke” in tongues. I said to myself I will never do that again. Never did. After leaving home I read, “Charismatic Chaos” by John MacArthur and helped me get settled on that issue.
@@netsolutionsvpn you called someone "pathetic" and then called for them to "be mature". Please take your own advice.
There are 2 reasons one will not receive the Holy Spirit w/ evidence in speaking in other tongues: (1) They are not unreservedly obedient to God. A prerequisite for reception of the Promise of the Father is to express our love to God by obeying His commands. Jesus directly ties the two together in the Gospels (John 14:15-17). (2) Considering this Gift from God something of the past, not for the modern-day Church. James teaches us that one who doubts is double-minded and unstable in all his ways, let not that man expect to receive anything from God (James 1:6,7). | It is God's desire to fill all with His Spirit, and He is still able to do exactly that. This genuine experience is not something anyone is able to "make" happen; it is of the Spirit of God, and is dispatched according to His understanding and His timing. May God bless you and lead you. Amen.
Wrong. I was a pentecostal before, I spoke and prayed in gibberish all the time. I was doing street evangelism and lay hands on people to let them speak in tongues. I was teaching these things before again and again and again coz I want people to experience what I've experienced. I thought that was the Holy Spirit. If I look back on that years of experience, the only person that I can see is a "confused, dishonest when exegeting the Bible, emotional high, and deceived person". And i don't think that's the manifestation of the Holy Spirit's power. However, I believe that the Holy Spirit is still gracious to me. Although I attributed a lot of things that don't have anything to do with Him, He still led me to the truth.
I can still speak gibberish right now just like switching "on and off" a light. And I sound like I really speak a language unlike other pentecostals and charismatics who obviously don't sound like they're speaking language, they're just babbling "bababababab dadadadadada, rororororo, bobobobobo,cacacacacap"... However, I consider this as flesh, not spirit. All we need to do is be honest in representing the Bible. Stop this kind of cherry picking verses childish hermeneutics. Study it properly. Be diligent in understanding the word of God. And the truth will set us free. God bless you my friend.
@@netsolutionsvpn Thank you for sharing! If you think speaking in tongues is pointless gibberish, how would you explain those who spoke in tongues in Acts? Was their experience authentic?
ACTS 10
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they HEARD THEM SPEAK with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Dude at 26:35 had me laughing so hard and I agree with him too lol
there is a difference in the gift of tongues and infilling of the Holy Ghost--read your bible Brother!
@Spider B ''It shows that even a Baptist can be right every once and a while''
Can anybody show me an example in scripture of somebody being born again without a physical manifestation (sign)?
John the Baptist, Zacchaeus, the blind man in John 9, Lazarus, Mary, Martha, Thomas, Andrew, etc etc.
Dean Camp
I believe he is referring to the church age under the new covenant after the cross.
Acts 26:40.
There is always a manifestation when one truly is born again, the outward changes reflective of the inward work.
First off mr white you must have the Holy Spirit to be the Son of God.
Dean Camp this was all before the death and resurrection of Christ. The Holy Spirit was not given until after Pentecost. Try again.
D. Bernard shouldve just conceded on the acts 2 40 part of it. theres no reason to assume that the 3000 save spoke in tongues. they received the same spirit - NOT THE SAME GIFT - because the spirit gives as He wills.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈.
😒This makes sense since WE don't believe the way WE should...
BECAUSE MEN SAY, "speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?
SINCE FAITH COMES BY THE HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, THEN FAITH IN THE WORDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 2:38 SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND THE LORD HONOURS HIS WORD.
WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD?
THE PERSON THAT WAS BAPTIZED WAS BAPTIZED BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD AND BELIEVED AND THEREFORE ACTED IN AND ON THOSE WORDS AND GOT BAPTIZED, AND SO THIS REQUIRES FAITH FOR ANY PERSON TO ACT UPON, AND IT IS WRITTEN THAT FAITH ONLY COMES BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD...AND Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈...
DO WE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SIGN" REPRESENTS?
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT 1 CORINTHIANS 14:22 AND WHAT A SIGN IS RELATING TO,
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the 👉sign👈 of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
👉The purpose for this Holy Scripture is to point out that a 👉SIGN👈 will be pointed out for all the 👉unbelieving world👈 that Jesus Christ has returned because all the true believers already know that Jesus Christ will be returning at the sound of the 7th Trumpet.
..THROUGH FAITH, BY THE HEARING GOF THE WORD OF GOD.
HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE,
Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees(UNBELIEVER) answered, saying, Master, 👉we would see a sign from thee👈.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, 👉An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign👈; and there shall no sign be given to it, 👉but👈 the sign of the (prophet Jonas).
WHEN A BELIEVER WITNESS'S A PERSON OBEYING ACTS 2:38, THE UNBELIEVER IS DEMONSTRATING FAITH IN THOSE WORDS EXPRESSED IN THAT TEACHING SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME A BELIEVER.
TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, AND NOT THE BELIEVERS ALREADY IN THE CHURCH, OR ELSE THEY TOO ARE UNBELIEVERS IF THEY NEED A SIGN OF TOUNGES...SO, WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD?
WE DONT PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, BUT TO GOD.
SO WHY PREACH AND TEACH LEGALISTIC DOUBT?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the 👉wisdom of God👈 (the world by wisdom knew not God), it pleased God by the 👉foolishness of preaching👈 to save them that 👉believe)...
AND IT IS WRITTEN,
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, 👉Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins👈, and ye 👉shall👈 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
John 14:15 If ye love me, 👉keep👈 my commandments
IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST INTO YOUR HEART, THEN YOU HAVE BECOME A LIVING TEMPLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO KEEP HIS HOLY COMMANDMENTS.
1 John 3:6 (Whoever abides 👉in👈 Him does not sin). Whoever 👉sins👈 has (neither seen Him nor known Him).
THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY WHO PRAY IN TONGUES AND ARE COMMITTING ADULTERY DAILY IN A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY SPEAK IN TONGUES?
NO, THEY ARE SINNERS IN ADULTERY, AND MEN SAY, ""speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?...NO FAITH IN OBEDIENCE TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IS REQUIRED.
LEARN WHAT A SIGN MEANS,
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈.
1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by 👉hearing👈, and hearing by the word of God.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?👉 NO
1 Corinthians 12:10 lists speaking in tongues as just one of many gifts from the Holy Spirit. To say that all Christians who have received the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues contradicts not just this one verse of 1 Corinthians chapter 12 but several others.
God has different gifts for different people because he has different tasks for each Christian. But we are all part of the body of Christianity. A finger has nails but an ear does not because the finger and the ear have different tasks they must perform.
@@joecombs7468 This is an interesting point . I have a slightly different perspective that I will like to add . I believe there are different tongues (acts 2) (1 Corinthians 12) (1 Corinthians 14) and in 1 Corinthians 12 what those tongues are speaking about are the proof tongue and congregational tongue . Not the prayer tongue . God bless !
@@ChrisHDGaming I have no problem with your perspective.
My issue is there is nothing saying all Christians speak tongues, and those who say it is in the bible are adding something to the scriptures that is not there.
Everyone that is born of the spirit will speak another language as the spirit gives the utterance. God Bless
What about when Jesus was on the cross and he cried out Eli Eli ladathni, they said he was calling for Elijah so apparently he was speaking a different language. Nothing to do with speaking in tongues but another language
People are actually judging people based on gifts of THE HOLY SPIRIT?
The new testament church started in the book of Acts. Shouldn't our experience with Christ the Lord be the same as it was in the beginning? How are we to assume anything else but what Peter preached.
Mark 16:17, Acts 2:4, (10:44-46), 19:6,
I mean... Why is this a question?
During Acts they spoke intelligible languages, not confusing babbling nonsense. Big difference my friend.
In Acts 8, 10, and 19? What proof? Besides assuming it.
In regards to Mark 16 (which is of questionable authenticity), do you pick up serpents? Moreover, none of the passages you listed claim that tongues speaking is to be expected for ALL believers. That is the point of contention at hand and your comment does appear to move the needle whatsoever.
57:02- James White seems to think he just had an aha moment however that statement did not prove Mr White's point what it actually proved was that every person who becomes part of the church will go through the process recorded in the book of Acts and you cannot practice what's in Corinthians until you have experienced what's in the book of Acts.
So what language did Peter use when he preached to the 3000?
And why our tongues for the unbeliever and prophecy for the believer Paul said if it’s not understood nothing is gained that you’re speaking to the air!
There is only one God which Dr Bernard preaches but dr white believes in a lesser jesus,number two in the Godhead,which actually doesn’t exist.Jesus Christ is the One true God,not one of three gods
Notice Jesus says "we" and "our". That is plural
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
John 14:23
@@PreachingJesus thats just too complicated for oneness people sir🥴
I believe that you are filled with the Spirit of God when you are saved but the baptism of the Holy Spirit is something you that seek and ask for after you are saved.
Sad that Dr. White couldn't remove himself personally from the debate. It became emotional for Dr. White because of this. Dr. White should learn to listen when someone is speaking and giving their answer instead of asking it close to 30 times.
With all due respect James white comes across very arrogant.
Yes he does..but he is correct in this matter
As a Oneness, I’m really surprised that David Benard backpedaled on a lot of things!
A lot of times, you’ve been in the doctrine so long ago that you believe outsider looking in have to say you’re mad to give you credence for everybody uttering!
If you have to assume on anything so did Azusa St when missionaries were sent out to speak in unknown tongues, and nothing was understood they had to come back to the drawing board!
In Pentecost, everyone got the message, even though some mocked!
Modern tongue speakers are the new mockers like Rodney Brown and David Hernandez!!! but Kenneth Copeland takes the price! I never thought I’d agree with the Baptist either!!!!
Though I do believe God could make me speak Chinese right now if he needed me too!!!
But we have the word in almost every tongue/language. It’s part of the Bethel movement!
The issue I see with Bernard using Acts 2 as the example how a person is saved, in fact of a person takes the time to read Acts 2 (and other key verses Oneness use) Bernard’s view doesn’t actually follow how it happen in the book of Acts.
1. Not one verse shows anyone seeking to receive the Holy Spirit. It came upon them unexpectedly. However, we do see people in his church seeking to receive the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues, and it is to complete their salvation plan.
2. In all the key verses Bernard uses we read tongues were only given to 12 or more people at the same time.
3. In Acts 3:19 After Peter preached the same message to a different group of Jews he didn’t tell them to repent and be baptized, and there isn’t any evidence that they spoke with other tongues.
Acts 10 Cornelius's house is a perfect example of why tongues is a salvivic matter cause all his house had the same experience that peter and the apostles had.
michael bien you need to explain how. Acts 10 and 2 are about 11 years apart. Also, if you read Acts 15 where Peter speaks of the event with Cornelius, and not once was tongues mentioned. Furthermore, if you read Acts 11 you will gain a better understanding how they were saved. Here are a few verses, but please read the context.
11:14 “and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and your household.....17 Therefore if God gave them the same gift as He gave to us also AFTER believing in the Lord Jesus . . . “
A Layman πιστεύσασιν
pisteusasin “having believed”. When you believe, you receive. No one has to seek the sign, the spirit baptism and the sign of the spirit follows belief.
ROBERT BOLAGH they do in the UPC Oneness church
A Layman If you want to discuss scripture, let’s discuss scripture.
The angel said that Peter would tell them words to be saved.
Acts 11:13-16 KJV
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; [14] Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. [15] And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. [16] Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
If someone has been baptized already in the name of Jesus does he have to be baptized again?
No he just has to repent and it's only one Baptism if your baptized in the name of Jesus Christ your soul has been covered with the blood of Christ lol nice and for all you just need to repent or confess to the only mediator Jesus Christ
They were discussing the wrong perspective. The debate shouldn't be about how many people spoke in tongues but what was Luke teaching us about the "function" of tongues in God's saving plan for (Jews and Gentiles) in the early church.
Thanks again Mr .white for giving us a great way to explain justification by faith and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Are you joking?? That was awful 😅 he’s not a very good speaker or debater, her over speaks and speaks way to much for someone’s else to answer. His feelings over take him.
And his stances are weak. Also, you’ll notice when David is trying to use the same tactic for show, White gets upset LOL! He gave him a taste of his own medicine, showing that most of his talking is just pure assumptions and nothing else.
43:28 but you can CHOOSE when you "speak in tongues" or not. Therefore, it is of YOU. The apostles had no choice
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈.
😒This makes sense since WE don't believe the way WE should...
BECAUSE MEN SAY, "speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?
SINCE FAITH COMES BY THE HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, THEN FAITH IN THE WORDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 2:38 SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND THE LORD HONOURS HIS WORD.
WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD?
THE PERSON THAT WAS BAPTIZED WAS BAPTIZED BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD AND BELIEVED AND THEREFORE ACTED IN AND ON THOSE WORDS AND GOT BAPTIZED, AND SO THIS REQUIRES FAITH FOR ANY PERSON TO ACT UPON, AND IT IS WRITTEN THAT FAITH ONLY COMES BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD...AND Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈...
DO WE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SIGN" REPRESENTS?
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT 1 CORINTHIANS 14:22 AND WHAT A SIGN IS RELATING TO,
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the 👉sign👈 of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
👉The purpose for this Holy Scripture is to point out that a 👉SIGN👈 will be pointed out for all the 👉unbelieving world👈 that Jesus Christ has returned because all the true believers already know that Jesus Christ will be returning at the sound of the 7th Trumpet.
..THROUGH FAITH, BY THE HEARING GOF THE WORD OF GOD.
HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE,
Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees(UNBELIEVER) answered, saying, Master, 👉we would see a sign from thee👈.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, 👉An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign👈; and there shall no sign be given to it, 👉but👈 the sign of the (prophet Jonas).
WHEN A BELIEVER WITNESS'S A PERSON OBEYING ACTS 2:38, THE UNBELIEVER IS DEMONSTRATING FAITH IN THOSE WORDS EXPRESSED IN THAT TEACHING SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME A BELIEVER.
TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, AND NOT THE BELIEVERS ALREADY IN THE CHURCH, OR ELSE THEY TOO ARE UNBELIEVERS IF THEY NEED A SIGN OF TOUNGES...SO, WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD?
WE DONT PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, BUT TO GOD.
SO WHY PREACH AND TEACH LEGALISTIC DOUBT?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the 👉wisdom of God👈 (the world by wisdom knew not God), it pleased God by the 👉foolishness of preaching👈 to save them that 👉believe)...
AND IT IS WRITTEN,
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, 👉Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins👈, and ye 👉shall👈 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
John 14:15 If ye love me, 👉keep👈 my commandments
IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST INTO YOUR HEART, THEN YOU HAVE BECOME A LIVING TEMPLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO KEEP HIS HOLY COMMANDMENTS.
1 John 3:6 (Whoever abides 👉in👈 Him does not sin). Whoever 👉sins👈 has (neither seen Him nor known Him).
THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY WHO PRAY IN TONGUES AND ARE COMMITTING ADULTERY DAILY IN A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY SPEAK IN TONGUES?
NO, THEY ARE SINNERS IN ADULTERY, AND MEN SAY, ""speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?...NO FAITH IN OBEDIENCE TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IS REQUIRED.
LEARN WHAT A SIGN MEANS,
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈.
1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by 👉hearing👈, and hearing by the word of God.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?👉 NO
Wrong when everyone who receives the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues as the Spirit gives you utterance. The gift of tongues dont have nothing to do with speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives you the utterance
@@thomasmcdowell5322, In the beginning, there was only one language, and the Lord destroyed the tower of babel and made all languages, and on the Day of Pentecost the Lord spoke to all nations through ONE TONGUE to different tongues through his Holy Ghost, so now understand in what I'm saying,
One Holy Ghost in the utterance spoke to all nations, and they all heard in their own language, so there we have both functions happening through ONE HOLY GHOST.
ONE heavenly language, that can speak to all languages at any given time, and why?
Because HE made all the LANGUAGES at that time at the tower of BABEL, and at the time of the Day of Pentecost all the nations were present, and they all heard in their OWN language through ONE language, and that language was the Spirit of TRUTH, the same SPIRIT that created all their languages at the time they were created, my friend.
I am not into man's religious custom of Apolstoic, Trinity etc doctrines, but I am a firm believer of HOLINESS, and that's what the BIBLE teaches that we are to be, and nothing else.{EPH 1:4}
@@thomasmcdowell5322 If there is {No charity} then there is no Holy Ghost, and if there is no Holy Ghost, then this means that there is no fruits of the HOLY Spirit, because it is written,
1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal....
1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing...because Jesus said, 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I'm not saying forbid tongues, but what I am saying is you are incorrect.
The Doctrines of men say what you are teaching.
@@thomasmcdowell5322 You can't have the gift of tongues without the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost is the Gift that is all the Gifts.
Very nice. I would be honored to feature you on my channel, and ask that you would reciprocate. Either way, God bless you, and I appreciate all the things you have done.
Dr White I like that you brought up the thief on the cross .. he died after Christ...in the New covenant...he never spoke in tongues..he was not baptized by immersion. Good debate. Dr. White I've enjoyed many of your Scriptural expositions.
When Jesus spoke to the thief, he was under Old Testament plan.
This close to the end I believe what I read in the Bible. I'm blessed that Jesus is revealed clearly in the scriptures.
@@georgeanddiane Eyy he's under old covenant how can you brought him up?
I wish Bernard would just answer the question asked near the beginning. He was asked that if he hasn’t spoken in tongues he hasn’t been born again. That is what we (UPC) believe. Why not say that?
Jlarios06 he wanted to be as diplomatic as possible while giving a Godly and graceful response. He wasn’t just talking to one person but many people would see it, he didn’t want to present an image of us that could be misinterpreted
Because he knows he will sound biblically inconsistent. So it's better to dance around.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈.
😒This makes sense since WE don't believe the way WE should...
BECAUSE MEN SAY, "speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?
SINCE FAITH COMES BY THE HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, THEN FAITH IN THE WORDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 2:38 SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND THE LORD HONOURS HIS WORD.
WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD?
THE PERSON THAT WAS BAPTIZED WAS BAPTIZED BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD AND BELIEVED AND THEREFORE ACTED IN AND ON THOSE WORDS AND GOT BAPTIZED, AND SO THIS REQUIRES FAITH FOR ANY PERSON TO ACT UPON, AND IT IS WRITTEN THAT FAITH ONLY COMES BY THE HEARING OF THE WORD OF GOD...AND Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈...
DO WE NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SIGN" REPRESENTS?
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT 1 CORINTHIANS 14:22 AND WHAT A SIGN IS RELATING TO,
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the 👉sign👈 of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
👉The purpose for this Holy Scripture is to point out that a 👉SIGN👈 will be pointed out for all the 👉unbelieving world👈 that Jesus Christ has returned because all the true believers already know that Jesus Christ will be returning at the sound of the 7th Trumpet.
..THROUGH FAITH, BY THE HEARING GOF THE WORD OF GOD.
HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE,
Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees(UNBELIEVER) answered, saying, Master, 👉we would see a sign from thee👈.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, 👉An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign👈; and there shall no sign be given to it, 👉but👈 the sign of the (prophet Jonas).
WHEN A BELIEVER WITNESS'S A PERSON OBEYING ACTS 2:38, THE UNBELIEVER IS DEMONSTRATING FAITH IN THOSE WORDS EXPRESSED IN THAT TEACHING SO THAT THEY MAY BECOME A BELIEVER.
TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN FOR THE UNBELIEVERS, AND NOT THE BELIEVERS ALREADY IN THE CHURCH, OR ELSE THEY TOO ARE UNBELIEVERS IF THEY NEED A SIGN OF TOUNGES...SO, WHO IS IT THAT GIVES THE HOLY GHOST,?, MAN OR GOD?
WE DONT PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, BUT TO GOD.
SO WHY PREACH AND TEACH LEGALISTIC DOUBT?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the 👉wisdom of God👈 (the world by wisdom knew not God), it pleased God by the 👉foolishness of preaching👈 to save them that 👉believe)...
AND IT IS WRITTEN,
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, 👉Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins👈, and ye 👉shall👈 receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
John 14:15 If ye love me, 👉keep👈 my commandments
IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST INTO YOUR HEART, THEN YOU HAVE BECOME A LIVING TEMPLE FOR THE HOLY GHOST AND YOU SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO KEEP HIS HOLY COMMANDMENTS.
1 John 3:6 (Whoever abides 👉in👈 Him does not sin). Whoever 👉sins👈 has (neither seen Him nor known Him).
THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY WHO PRAY IN TONGUES AND ARE COMMITTING ADULTERY DAILY IN A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED BECAUSE THEY SPEAK IN TONGUES?
NO, THEY ARE SINNERS IN ADULTERY, AND MEN SAY, ""speaking in tongues needed for SALVATION"?...NO FAITH IN OBEDIENCE TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IS REQUIRED.
LEARN WHAT A SIGN MEANS,
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a 👉sign👈, (not to them that believe), but to them that 👉believe not👈: but (prophesying serveth not for them that believe not), but for them which 👉believe👈.
1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by 👉hearing👈, and hearing by the word of God.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?👉 NO
Guffy Uzusaki Jesus wasn’t being diplomatic when he said,
Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
People just need to answer the questions.
I think we can all agree that for almost 2 thousand years there really was no speaking in tongues except for a few heretical religions, would you then say that all of the believers in this time period from the death of the last apostle forward have gone to hell?
Calvin, Luther, Wesley, spurgeon, etc.
The idea that one must speak in tongues as sign of salvation is false. The fruits..love joy peace patience...etc are how we can know..as the bible claims ...ye shall know them by their fruits. Physical sign of tongues as evidence of salvation is like the saying...an evil adultress generation seeks after a sign. The gifts are evidence but the bible says God distributes them as He desires.
Also read John 3:8
@@kennethrinicker3200 what are you referring to?.
@@mimilovesjesus1307 referring to a distinct experience accompanying the infilling of the Spirit. Jesus said you will hear the sound, Peter said "this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel". Jesus said "these signs shall follow them that believe, they shall speak with new tongues". One must bare the fruit of the Spirit, however the initial experience for all who received and still receive the Holy Spirit is that they will speak with other tongues.
@@kennethrinicker3200 no... The signs were the listed gifts....that Paul wrote about, and he said not all have the same gifts. They would be varied... As tongues is one of the lesser gifts. Not sure what bible you are reading.. But context is important.
@@mimilovesjesus1307 yes context is important. Paul was instructing the church about governing the gifts in the assembly, completely different context than when someone initially receives the Spirit. Did you not read what Jesus spake of in scriptures previously mentioned? If context means anything to you, you must recognize the difference in an initial experience verses governance within an established body of believers. Look at it yourself in the book of Acts. What was the commonality among those converted? It was the common experience when receiving the Spirit. And still is BTW.
I am 9:40 in and not understanding Brother Bernard not giving a straight answer. Yes or no
Brother Bernard is explain in great detail in chapter and answering the questions
@@bobbygon7228 so is it a yes or no?
MARK 16
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
THE FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE BOOK OF ACTS.
PETER USED THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
54:08- it's not possible for a person who was a sinner which would be every person under the sun, to have a full-on Salvation encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ and it not excite you! If your salvation experience was humdrum and intellectual then you are not born again that's a guarantee! God can lead you to repentance but that does not mean you've been filled with his spirit that means he's extending Grace for you to repent and come back to him which would explain the heart change. I think it's funny that people insist that they love God but when others who really do love God get excited and express that love like any normal expression of love, they get offended but the reason they're offended is because they have a religious spirit! I don't see anywhere in the Bible where somebody had an encounter with God and they did not leap clap jump cry shout raise their hands dance praise God go tell everybody I mean just read every encounter someone had with the living God and not one of them walked away with the attitude of this caller or the attitude of James White. The people that had that attitude were people like Judas and other false converts who viewed their relationship to God as something that benefited them. It's called Head knowledge.
Can someone who has been filled with the Holy Ghost & backslides become demon possessed
Yes, they can be demon possessed. When u backslide,it means u go back to your old life. Which means u don’t have the Holy Ghost (If u still had the Holy Ghost, u would not backslide, bcuz the spirit of God would help u and u would not allow yourself to backslide) and when u don’t have the Holy Ghost, evil spirits can easily possess you.
But the good news is that God is full of mercy. It is not too late to turn back to God. It doesn’t mean you should still backslide though.
He’s literally making his beliefs on what HE assumes as well!!
Following Dr. White’s comments the assumption would be that circumcision is not a sign of being a Jew because it is not mentioned in a majority of the books of the Old Testament. Dr. Bernard is not speaking of the gift of tongues which clearly 1st Corinthians 12 is addressing for the most part. I believe that much like circumcision was a sign that someone was Hebrew, tongues is a sign that evidences a new birth or born again experience. Dr. White argues that tongues is used by non christian persons and can be faked. So was circumcising. Yet those who were not Hebrews were not considered by God to be Hebrews just because they were circumcised. Anyone can claim to be something they are not and tongues or no tongues will not change that. Wolves in sheep’s clothing is a universal problem. Following Dr White’s rational he should not be baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost because it is ONLY spoken of in one place, in one verse. It is not ever expressly declared anywhere else and yet it is the primary mode of baptism worldwide within christian circles (not mine).
One of the problems I see is that people aren’t speaking in a language.. it’s becomes another “look at me” show. I’ve watched children try to mimic and please their parents by going up to the altar and trying to cry with one eye open. I’ve seen so much gibberish because it’s just in us to want to please other people. Many people mistakenly think that the scripture and then end of acts 2:38 says “with the evidence of speaking in tongues” and it doesn’t. So much about the rules and what all you need to do takes your eyes off of Him and places eyes upon yourself. How long does it take us to sum up another Pentecostal? It takes me about 5 seconds to sum up another UPC lady.. well, her outward appearance anyway 😩
Remember that the person who "won" is the person who's position you agree with.
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth by every word that comes from his mouth is God a mute that he cannot speak no God sees God hears and God Acts.... The Canon of scripture is closed but the Holy Spirit does expressly speak things and we judge prophecy and the workings and conduct by the Word.. let everything be tested and hold on to what is good despise not and forbid not prophesying nor speaking in tongues grieve not the spirit of God nor blaspheme Him.
Isn't acts 2 written to Jews only? Not Gentiles? E.g. " you men of Israel ".
Scripturally speaking are we sure that conversion is being born again? Jesus taught Nicodemus that were to be born of the water and of the Spirit... It's a pretty clear testimony of baptism both water and spirit baptisms as John his cousin was his forerunner leading the people to repentance and baptizing them telling them to have faith in Christ. Jesus said you have to be born of the water and of the spirit to enter the kingdom... The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force....I think many people have been converted and have received eternal life but necessarily have not been born again but I don't deny that they may have life in His Name. This may seem crazy to some of you to others you may know what I'm talking about but since I died on 4/6/2019.. now I didn't die technically but it was really close. I had a sudden cardiac arrest and my heart didn't pump blood for several minutes my only negative side effect was a coma for a day and I lost a little bit of short-term memory.
I have had several shifts in my thought process and teachings all based on the Word of God and the revelation of the Spirit..
one was a dream that was so clear in response to a prayer that I had been praying for 5 days asking the Lord for a dream over the right way to baptize he showed me clearly in the dream by me telling two people that they needed to be baptized in Jesus Name and then he showed me and said "so do you." I had already believed this was the clear teaching from the book of Acts but it is not traditionally a common practice nowadays but was the practice of the apostles without exception all of them were baptized in Jesus name and all of them were filled with the Spirit of God. Some believe that is the Born again experience and I cannot prove that wrong. So we are saved we are being saved and we shall be saved. Salvation is a process. He was raised for our justification we're justified by faith and he pours out the Holy Spirit on those who believe and obey the gospel.... But some are not fully taught the gospel so God deals with us on individual basis.
Being raised Pentecostal oneness I have heard tongues and in my opinion they were emotional I’ve heard people say ok everyone pray in your pray tongue I’ve seen people trying to teach people have to speak in tongues and that goes on everyday in churches, just like you hear people confess Jesus Christ and confess they are saved and live like the devil and on the other hand you have people that speak in tongues and it’s real it’s not a show and usually it’s a personal experience(in my case) in their prayer closet and I’ve seen people who really confess Jesus Christ and live it So you can find people who fake both tongues and as a follower of Jesus Christ but you don’t throw out the whole teaching because you have fakers.
What you said is correct. But people like Bernard would deny this, but for the many of us who left the movement can verify this to be true, and it also happens in the AOG church. They try to put syllables in a persons mouth and if a person speaks one syllable, then they will tell you that is tongues. The main one is “da” and if you repeat that over and over they will say that you have the Holy Spirit and are speaking in tongues. As Dr. White says, estatic speech.
A Layman why did you leave the apostolic movement? did you just leave the organization or the biblical teaching also?
Kt Carroll I originally left because there were a lot of unanswered questions regarding some of the legalistic teaching, and later because a lot of the teaching did not line up with what the Scriptures actually says. We can’t take many verses at face value, they tend to always have an alternative meaning.
A Layman we have a few apostolic churches in my area but they are very small 10-30 people max and the smaller the more legalistic they become - no tv no Christmas and my goodness that Easter bunny gets preached on more than Jesus around that time of year I tend more to the oneness of a Jesus and not the Trinitarian teaching and stay away from dress codes hair codes etc
Kt Carroll I think my biggest problem with the Oneness doctrine is that it is a fairly new doctrine which got its start in the early 20th century, and when I listen to Bernard speak about this new salvation plan that has not been the Christian doctrine down through church history, I realize that the Oneness view would send billions of people to hell.
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?”...of course not!!...oneness folks please read your Bible without this weirdos looking over your shoulder 🤨
Genuinely curious if ANYONE speaks in tongues, flows in the gift of healing or interprets tongues in your experience of Church and the body. And i do mean genuinely! Cause i see a lot of refuting some INCREDIBLE gifts of God, without a proper explanation of how these are carried out today. We must seek the Holy Spirit for revelation, above the wisdom of man. We must trust God to reveal HIS truth and HIS truth alone! Blessings to you brother!!
Mr. James White vs. Jesus
According to Mr. White, Jesus is either false, incorrect, confused, or in error. Because absent from the "words" of Jesus stating that everyone must be born of water and of Spirit in order to enter into heaven, are all the following words: faith, believe, repent, obey, trust, and grace.
So basically he’s saying just cause it wasn’t recorded that they spoke in tongues they didn’t have too? His argument is weak because it can also be said the same for what he believes lol! Where does it specifically say that they didnt speak in tongues and that they didn’t have to?
Weak stance.
john 3:5 is the answer
No ...not every believer speaks in tongues. It is a gift....as God disperses...and all the gifts are varying. 1 cor. 12. We are saved by believing the gospel.
Satan “believes” the gospel. So does that mean the devil is saved? 🤔 I don’t think so. :)
@@autumnhensley2032 of course not. I was referring to believing the gospel. Believing means accepting it.
Read John 7:38-39 your position is false.
@@kennethrinicker3200 who are you talking to and to what point? Thanks in advance.
They let James White talk all day but when it’s time for David Bernard to speak he always gets cut off....? Interesting.... Sorry Bro. Bernard they only want you to say so much
Good Day😊
Baptist asked me,
Who Baptized the Apostles?
Are They Baptized in water in Jesus Name?
what would be our response to those questions?
Pls help me to give them a clear answer😊
They (apostles) baptized each other..
Yes all of them were water baptized in the name of Jesus
Acts 2:38
Acts 8:16
Acts 10:44-48
Acts 19:5
White totally demolishes bernard
Mr white was wrong and if he never spoke in tongues he dont have no Holy Spirit.
@@thomasmcdowell5322 considering how the Apostolic faith completely ignores Paul's instructions regarding tongues and creates they're own rules taking completely out of context how and why tongues was expressed in Acts, we will just have to agree to disagree. The Apostilic doctrine for tongues both adds and takes away from scripture both acts which are also unbiblical.
Probably because you only accept what sounds good to you. Listen to both sides unbiasedly.
@Driven by Faith well I think we can both agree that baptism of the holy spirit is necessary.
@@BenjaminSharkey don't confuse the infilling of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the spirit gives utterance with the gift of tongues received the gift after you received the Holy Ghost what are you talkin about
Value consistency, not your traditions.
I wish Dr. Bernard would have voted Mark 16:17....and these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name they shall cast out devil's; they shall speak with new tongues. Scripture proof of believers speaking in tongues.
Would have used...lol
He probably didnt because they say that verse was added later on trinitian theologians
@@faithfultheology more like he didn't because the context of that scripture is clearly Jesus speaking to His diciples and refferring to them and the early church, NOT EVERY single person who beleives.
@@tom..193 it was a added verse
@@faithfultheology that's a myth, more than 99 percent of the manuscripts had it..There is only two greek manuscripts that lack this scripture which are codices Sinaticus and Vaticanus. and let's say for your sake, even if it was added, that doesn't change the fact that the context of it is clearly Jesus refferring that these gifts shall accompany those of the early church, NOT every single believer for all of time.
James white never repented
Why should he?
Yes let us covet the greater gifts yet they are not... because their sensation is and believe these things are for not for today... but we should always be pursuing all that God has for us..
Salvation justified by faith saved ongoing salvation sanctification working out your salvation with fear and trembling making your calling and election sure continuing in him rooted and grounded being filled with all the fullness of God... This is the call of the minister of Christ that we might labor with his strength until Christ be formed in them... How can we grow up in Christ if we do not receive the promise of the father if we do not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit... Now first Corinthians 6:17 he who has been joined to the Lord has become one spirit I have a hard time believing that I wasn't born again or joined to the Lord at my conversion when I was a boy yet I was not water baptized nor baptized in the spirit but I do believe I was made alive in Christ because the spirit gives life... So I'm wondering was I converted in my soul and did I receive eternal life but was not born again and Born into the kingdom of God because I had not yet obeyed and received that which God commanded and promised.?
1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The host is so biased and from some of the questions he asked he is very unlearned in the scriptures
1:03:02 yes, when you "speak in tongues" and there is no interpretation, you are only edifying yourself which you should NOT do. The Bible here speaks of this as a NEGATIVE thing.
Calvary Bible Study If it was Negative like you say, why was Paul thankful for doing it more than all of them? “I thank my God I speak in tongues more than you all”
Brother. Context is very important. Read again
For Dr. White, it's more challenging to refute Roman Catholicism than Oneness Pentecostalism. Nevertheless, he destroyed both of them successfully
Listen again!😉
Where in the bible did Jesus speak in tongues?
He does not need because He full God in the flesh
@@bobbygon7228 well the tongues isnt necessary then
@@bobbygon7228 so jesus was talking to himself on the cross?
Because He wasn't saved!...oneness people are funny