Is It OK for Apostolics to Listen to Secular Music? | Episode 197
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Dr. David K. Bernard discusses whether it’s OK for Christians to listen to secular music. He offers biblical insights and practical advice on how Apostolic Pentecostals should approach this question.
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The ongoing discussion about whether Apostolics should listen to secular music is just one facet of a much larger and deeply rooted debate in Christianity-Christian liberty versus Christian conviction. This episode masterfully navigated that complex tension with wisdom and biblical principle, emphasizing the importance of rightly dividing the Word of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
Many believers struggle to discern where personal conviction ends and Christian liberty begins. The reality is that music, like all forms of media, carries messages and influences that affect our hearts and minds. But as followers of Christ, our responsibility isn’t just about making blanket judgments-it’s about walking in discernment, being led by the Spirit, and understanding that what may be permissible for one may not be edifying for another (1 Corinthians 10:23).
Instead of focusing on rigid legalism or unchecked freedom, the key is to align our choices with what glorifies God and strengthens our faith. This episode did an incredible job of highlighting that balance. Convictions are personal; liberty is biblical-but both require wisdom.
Yes indeed!! Great reply.
@youngeshiya what? Religious "LIBERTY", there's a concept you never hear PREACHED or TAUGHT!
Blind Obedience, Yoking, Domineering, Shackeling, Fear, and Legalism is the only thing some know. Excellent Reply and I wish so many others would understand the " Concept of Religious Liberty".
Wrong when it comes to music! Music was the only thing on earth that was made in heaven music was made heaven with only one purpose and that's to worship and praise God so whatever kind of music you're listening to, that's who you're worshipping and praising and most worldly music especially these days but since the late 70's early 80's I've noticed worldly music seems to be worshipping the devil listen to the lyrics even some of the rhythms are hypnotizing
@@aChild-of-God1006Is Happy Birthday or the National Anthem or What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong worshipping the devil?
In defense of the Bishop- he said to avoid worldliness. “Happy Birthday” and the national anthem are secular but not worldly. Song of Solomon is a love song. There is a category distinction. Not everything that isn’t explicitly worship music is directly in conflict with the glory of God and the knowledge of Christ.
Context is key. His comments could have been more clear, but avoid worldliness was part of the context of what he said.
Solomon's love song is firstly a metaphor depicting Jesus and the church His bride.
Reading the comments, I'm amazed at the wildly different messages people think Bro. Bernard is giving.
I'm reminded of a discussion I recently listened to on Biblos podcast. The point was made that regardless of personal feelings, opinions, or side of an argument a person finds themselves, attitude, specifically a right attitude is paramount. You can be right in your argument and still have a wrong attitude. Hint, probably ANY attitude that smells like pride or judgment will NOT smell good to God.
I think what I appreciate most about listening to Bro. Bernard's answers, besides his obvious intelligence and teaching skill, is the humility, gentleness, and compassion evident in every word❤
Thank you
Understanding the entire context and full picture of Bro.Bernard’s point here, it does actually make sense. I think a lot of our own personal connotations of “secular music” are VERY negative. (When he first said “yes”, my mind was boggled, not going to lie.) But he points out that anything that is immoral and contrary to what scripture says is not okay and shouldn’t be entertained. This is what a lot of us are thinking about when it comes to what “secular” music is.
HOWEVER, there are types of secular music that aren’t actually bad, which he gives a personal favorite of classical. It’s not Christian but also not immoral but still technically falls under the category of secular. This is a really good response actually. He’s not condoning immoral music but still saying that responsibly listening to generes that are technically secular is not a sin. Very well explained because he touched on all aspects of “secular music.”
It does not have to be a sin
The Bible says to lay aside every weight and the sin that does so easily beset us.
Satan is slick and you will start with one thing and years down the line find urself doing the bad things.
Notice while the church was powerful in God this was no question. But as we draw closer and closer to the coming of the Lord foolish questions start surfacing.
Some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing Spirits and doctrines of devils.
We need to spend more time praying and reading and we would not have all this idle time to listen to the devil.
@@MichaelHines-d1x i agree.
I agree with you
@@MichaelHines-d1x I’m not saying to listen to secular music of any genre But technically what he is saying is correct. Background music on a family photo collage, still technically not Christian. Going through Christmas lights and hearing “Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer ” or “Frosty the snowman”, or “12 Days Of Christmas” not Christian also. Simply what he’s saying in regards to what secular music is, that’s important to point out. I personally feel that that music is for the Glory of God alone, however that doesn’t change the fact there is secular music that isn’t necessarily sinful but still secular none the less. :)
Exactly!!
I think we have to be extremely careful about what we listen to. I’ve been a Christian for 16 years, and I stopped listening to secular music shortly after I came to Jesus. Somewhere along the line I have listened to a few worldly songs. One time I listened to a Fleetwood Mac song, seven wonders possibly, and then I listened to it again, and I listened to it again, and it sucked me in like a vacuum. I went to prayer because I felt convicted and a demon left me as I prayed in prayer closet. I’m pretty sure that song opened a portal for the enemy to come in. I am very careful about what I listen to, not perfect, but I don’t want demons in my life. FYI, I don’t remember hearing any lyrics in that song that were outright evil, but they did not glorify God in the slightest.
Yup the devil is a liar. He came to steal,kill and destroy. We need to be very careful. Even those music that are deemed secular,not worldly but not also holy could be an open gate and lead us away.
I’m sorry, but scripture says “a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” Galatians 5:9
I’m personally needing more understanding of this. For years, I have decided to not listen to any form of secular music. My revelation was reading about Lucifer and how he was mostly considered a leader of worship and praise in heaven. He knows music better than anyone but God. So when he was cast out, the one major thing I believe he uses is worship and praise to anything and anyone other than God. It’s his best weapon. I wake up and see the music industry in every major event, in fashion, in lifestyle, in games, at major sporting events, at inaugurations and political events. And people openly and freely accept it. My opinion is, if it moves the flesh and sets an emotion, then unless it glorifies God or has testimony of the goodness of God, I choose not to listen to it. This also goes for my family as well. Music ignited emotion, and the scripture tells me that the heart is wicked above all things. This is solely my opinion and my personal conviction.
I know Bro. Bernard is the UPCI leadership but I spent over 17 years out in the world.
We must stay away from secular music. It is ungodly.
If that's the case, you shouldn't read ANY book unless it's the Bible. Having conversations with ANYONE about anything but God, is also not glorifying him; yet we will continue to do so. I believe the music is just like anything else. Food, conversations, books, music, etc, is all fine, it just can't be above God, and obviously not explicit. If you're bragging on how good a slice of pizza is, it doesn't mean you're worshipping it. I've been an apostolic my entire life, and there's a trend of overweight people in the church. We are quick to judge someone for listening to a love song, but yet forget about the other sins, such as gluttony.
To add to that, you said the music industry is involved in every major event, and of course because it's one of our senses. Just like if you watch a baseball game, NASCAR, football, you'll realize a TON of restaurants sponsor these games, political events, etc. Doesn't mean we are worshipping the food, just enjoying it. Same with music. Just always put God first. Jesus gave most of us enough common sense, to know when we're in the wrong.
As he stated, it's his personal conviction, as it is mine.
Music has been a HUGE part of my entire life, since childhood. The Lord gave me the gift of singing since then and I ALWAYS knew and understood that it was from Him and FOR Him. However, my parents introduced me to many many genres of music, both English and Spanish and I appreciate them all.
As a child, I sang hymns in church and the newer songs that started becoming popular. But, at 17, for many reasons relating to my family breaking up twice, I walked away from church, and God, really, for years. The world's music became an even bigger part of my everyday life. I associate songs with different times in my life and, even to people and relationships, both good and even bad, that hurt me. All of this was because of my choice to walk away from the Lord. And, so, when, at 23, I came back to the fold (for good, praise the Lord), I stopped listening to the world's music. It had too much weight on it for me. It reminded me of the pain from which the Lord had delivered me from. It elicited emotions I shouldn't have.
So, I take it as with alcohol, which I also fell into, seeking what only God could provide. And, so, absolutely NO drink here and there, even of the wine that folk in the Bible drank. Why? Because the Lord convicted me not to.
So, I would say as the Word says, we have grace and liberty in Christ. But, let's not abuse that, thinking we're "alright" because without knowing, we could be failing, within our hearts and minds, even if it doesn't materialize visually/ physically. Shall we continue sinning that grace may abound?
As with the food situation, amén! Many also fall into that.
So, WHY put ourselves so close to a line where the enemy reigns? Let us put our minds on all things that are pure, and good and worthy of praise. Does it glorify God? Then, WHY put our minds and hearts there? The Lord brought us OUT of that world. Why do so many of us CHOOSE to keep a toe, finger, foot or hand in it because it may not be explicit or vulgar? That ONE song may not be, but what of every other song these artists sing? What are their mindsets and lives and spiritual states when creating the music they make? There are MANY artists who have come out and said they're on drugs, have made pacts with the evil one to gain skills, fame, notoriety, wealth in this industry. Many call on spirits to take over them so the experience goes beyond melody, tune or lyric.
There's always more to what our eyes and ears can perceive.
Let us ask for discernment and let the Lord instruct and guide us to every good deed and to doing His will and not ours.
God bless you all! ❤
@@LaCurlySue562 couldn't we say that about the phone providers, Internet providers, owners of large companies we use daily; Walmart, Dodge, T-Mobile, etc? The founder of Apple was an atheist. Using the phone he produced didn't make me one though.
The dumpster at McDonalds also has some food that could be ok to eat in there. But not recommended, it might cause food poisoning. Especially in young people, because they don’t have a developed immune system nor the experience to discern the good from the bad.
McDonald’s food served at the counter isn’t that good for you either. 😳
Thank you Bro. Bernard. You are always so wise and well balanced in your answers.
Yes.. Thank You for keeping it real!
I remember as a child we were raised that watching TV was a sin. A new pastor came and it was permitted so my dad got a TV and he was very strict in what we were allowed to watch. It started with Little House on the Praire(very moral based) and over the course of i guess 4 or 5 years it evolved little by little until we were Jean Claude Van Dam assault and shoot dozens of people at a time, cursing, and provocative women flaunting around. I 100 % believe in being balanced in our standards but by saying you think it should be allowed i believe your opening doors and creating and acceptance for weak Christians that can be catastrophic to thier spiritual life. Truely disappointing and alarming to hear the opinion of our spiritual leadership has compromised.
I am an apostolic, Pentecostal I love Dr. Bernard, but I do not agree with his answer. There should be no room for worldly music in our life that is opening the door where the devil can take over and destroy people by listening to music that is not godly. That is my opinion.
No Christmas music either? No Frosty the Snow Man?
Agree.
@sotopr7 Say What, - no Itzy bitzy Spider, Three Blind Mice and Happy Birthday. No, Ring around the roses, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, Frosty the Snowman, the Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island, Popeye the Salior Man, and of course this next Non Christian song that will definitely send you to hell for sure. (I LOVE you - You Love Me - Were a happy Family.... (SMH)
Colossians 3:16
[16]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Songs should teach...They should be about God ( Jesus ), and they should be about a Christians way that we can relate to. They should warn ( admonish ). It should be about the Word of God that it builds upon our faith. It should glorify The Almighty! We may get a blessing listening to certain types of things.. but it should be about worshipping Him!
Just as others here said...they are spirits in worldly music. When I got saved, there were some special things that happened to me. When I got the Holy Ghost that was part of the battle, I remember I was helping my Uncle ( Holy Ghost filled ) he was helping me out. We had went out of town, I had just started going to Church and had been going to the Alter. He took me, so if he bought a truck, I could drive the other vehicle home. We'll he did and I was driving alone. And I had been trying to clear my mind of things, so I was trying to listen to gospel music. But we was out of town and I didn't know any stations and I remember trying to search the radio. And the devil trying to get me to listen to the other. Well finally we was getting close to home and I picked up the old time southern gospel. Thank God! It was such a struggle that night and now I know why! Because God filled me with the Holy Ghost!!! Never forget the song was Gathered around the family table by: The Lewis family!
Then the next thing was I was in service and that night God poured a blessing upon me tremendously and I dance in The Spirit for the first time....well when I got home I was feeling good. Until, I could since a bad spirit and I could not shake it. I RAN TO MOTHER AND FATHERS HOUSE AND WE PRAYED UNTIL I FINALLY FELL ASLEEP IN THE FLOOR...
BUT IN THE MORNING JUST ABOUT DAWN, WITH OUT EVEN THINKING. I ROLLED A BARREL DOWN TO MY HOUSE AND I BEGAN TO PUT ALL MY CD'S, TAPES AMONG OTHERS IN THAT BARREL AND SET IT ON FIRE AND BURNED IT ALL!!!
Don't know how much money I spent on all that through the years and don't care! But I never had any more problems going back into that house again!!!
The devil is looking to get in somehow. In our homes! In our lives. In our mind! In our heart! And he can do so by our eyes and ears and our feelings.
We must guard our hearts! The eye is what we look at! The ear is what we listen to! Was not too long ago I thought about these things...what better way can satan get to people than to their emotions? Songs get to our emotions and can make us vu❤lnerable
No, I prayed to the Lord Jesus to deliver me from all types of worldly music when I gave my life and my every thing to him!!
Don’t need it don’t miss it don’t want it.
Just listen to all my beautiful ones Pentecostals singers and musicians !!
Sorry brother Bernard 😀
For me, definitely no to worldly music
Same. We are called to hold the standard.
@@mr.louielou4309Amen brother
I am shocked that the answer here is Yes.
The secular songs I used to like that I'd be criticized for listening to today have lyrics that never inspired me to start with, but the Christian music I listen to today never fails to inspire me. I think now that I walk with Jesus, I open myself more to messages that are for my benefit.
When I first came to the Lord…. I moved into a rooming house near the Shipyard…. Next door to me was a young Afro American man who worked at the Shipyard and DJ’d at night.. I had an opportunity to witness to him… because I knew his music culture.. He was a big Steve Wonder fan…. Through my testimony and God’s drawing on his heart… this young man came to Church and was Born Again of water and spirit..That young Afro American gentleman is a guy who Evangelizes across the USA and Canada for close to 30 years…. Rev Michael Easter.. If I would not have been able to connect on His level through secular music, I’m not sure that 10,000’s of souls would have been effected by the Gospel message..
" We are the world we are the children" is secular music, enjoying such a hopeful uplifting song doesn't make it sinful. So I see the point being made.
Those songs come from a Socialist motivation.
Thank you Bishop…. It’s all about balance and being sensitive to the Holy Ghost…. I am a musician that came in to the Apostolic Church in the early 80’s…. I have played worship music in Church for 40+ years… and I have learned to incorporate my styles with the Worship music down through the decades…. I still love to listen to Classical and Jazz and Murrel Ewing! It’s all about not grieving the Holy Ghost…. If I’m around Brothers or Sisters that I know refuse any secular music… in love I will not be a stumbling block.. Great video..
Good comment
David Bernard is speaking wisdom here. And a couple of my favorite gospel singers are David Phelps and Mark Lowry, but I also enjoy old time Pentecostal music that is upbeat in rhythm and makes one want to dance in the Spirit, and I also enjoy certain songs that drives me to the alter like after I hear a certain message preached and can't wait to get down on my knees and pour out myself to Christ.
I don't love this response because there is no short answer. The short answer is “yes, if it's classical.” Otherwise we're off into some shady territory.
As a licensed UPCI minister, I’m extremely disappointed in this response.
Would you be able to elaborate on your reason why?
@ Sure. For starters, he just shouldn’t have made this video at all. The day of its release I watched Bible college students use it to defend their love for secular music. But, what can you say? Their General Superintendent said it was okay. But, what if their Pastor says otherwise? It still doesn’t change the fact that the organizational authority above their Pastor said it was okay.
In short, it’s already created issues. Not only that, it’s an extremely liberalized and spiritually lukewarm take. If he wants to give a personal opinion, go ahead and give it. He just needs to specify that because this video does NOT speak for the movement, I can promise you that.
James 4:4 “Friendship with the world is enmity with God.”
Amen! Good verse to start with ... John 10:10
“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” Good choice for a starting point.
Lots of wisdom in this episode
Thank you, Jesus, and the men of God here. I’ve been struggling with worldly music in the gym. I’m a powerlifter but also Apostolic. I’ve been transitioning to audiobooks and podcasts, which helps, but I still struggle with worldly music in a sense.
What does secular music mean? Jazz, classical, hymns, tropical? What about cultural spngs from India, mexico or China that dont promote sin? Songs about the love for our children or our husband or wife. Christians need to use wisdom and if there are questions, then ask your pastor. Bernard gave a great answer but its also based on where God brought you from and/or what he delivered you from.
This is all i know how to thank you for your podcast,i'm 68 , & i'm a songwriter! I play guitar for Church ( acoustic), self taught! I loved your choice of types/ genres of music! I don't play my original songs at church. I play " He's Coming Back Again ", "I've Got Confidence","King Of Glory ","Waymaker"!!I know NOTHING of the music industry; my oldest nephew ( who's a drummer for 10 years) tells me that it is a BRUTAL industry! An elder brother told me to get a copyright for my songs 9 or 10 years ago, but he's with the Lord now!( This is even before i bought a guitar at the thrift store! ) I want to do what the McGruders did!So many of my brethren have very real needs; i want to be more of a blessing , so much i could do!!
No Christian should listen to secular music. Whatever oppressive and unclean spirit that song was written under, it will then subject the listener to being open to it. For instance, depression, suicidal spirit, lust, new age curiosity, addiction etc. I came out of the world 7 years ago after having grown up in the church. Secular music was step one to the world. If it does not glorify God, then it has no business entering into the temple (our body) that has been built by God, for God.
Still over here trying to find the secular songs that don’t glorify evil or appeal to the flesh…. Did the 21st century church decide it was ok not to resist the things of the flesh or that which appears to be ungodly? Asking for a friend…
The lyrics may not have immorality or evil words but also give a thought about the composer. It is coming from his heart when he is in a state of fantasy or focussed on a woman or world or his/problems. Check the root. Anything that does not come from the composers right state of mind can never be healthy to a Christian to listen to it. Right standing with the Lord produce its own different fruits and those fruits gloify His name.
Im glad this topic has been covered, thank you for the insight
The content and the spirits attached to worldy entertainment , especially music should be avoided, especially if it negatively affects you spiritually. Especially when you're a new convert. It can draw you away from the Lord. I can feel it grieving the Holy Ghost at times when I've listened to it.
Thank you Bro. Bernard for your wisdom. What would Jesus do? He attended a wedding with secular music and He provided the wine. Some of you would have called him out for his "worldly" behavior. You can be in this world but not of it. That's our Christian liberty.
Im not suprised by it, i was raised pentecostal, very strict pentecostal, ans most of my pentecostal friends and their families and friends. Watched very very unfit movies, and listened to unfit secular music. I believe this is an epidemic in the church, based on personal experience.
Again, many Christian songs today DO NOT GLORIFY GOD . Also, many artist llike Carrie Underwood (Jesus take the wheel), etc... Brooks and Dunn ( The Words written in Red), Josh Groban ( You raise me up), Vince Gill ( Go Rest High on That MountaIn). I could go on and on listing " none Christian music that Praises and lifts up Jesus. While so called "Christian Music", that doesn't give Jesus Glory or even mentions him by Name, while so many other artist have sung very Powerful, Uplifting, and Loving songs that lifts up our God but are not considered Christian artist/songs. Bro. Benard has got this Correct ! Excellent job ❤
For Me. The answer is NO!!
Praise The Lord I appreciate Bishop Bernard comments. I am Afro -American. I am from Motown Detroit. I grew listening to secular music. I got saved at 13 years old. My first pastor in Apostolic was from Clinton Street Greater Bethlehem Temple the church Bishop S. N. Hancock pastored many years. The music was rich. Sister Moton was the musician there aĺong with others. There were great singers there also. I don' t listen to secular music probably because my parent were not Apostolic. I listened to station WMUZ 103.5 FM . They played both White & Black Gospel Music.. l like the song by the Blue Notes " Woke Up " Thank you Bishop Bernard for being transparent.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I agree, as a musician it is told to eat sleep the music with the instrument you are talented to play. As a guitarist I struggled to find gospel guitar players that played my style. I ended up listing to Stevie ray Vaughan, and Bb King. I agree that a healthy balance is important. But when I listen to these artists, I enjoy the instrument playing, the licks and riffs.
Sometime with how we attack i question if we are the pharisees just being honest, Brother Bernard is using wisdom here i agree with ya.
Of all these folks who are sooo “tight” about this subject…. How many hours do you pray and study each day? And how many souls did you win to Jesus in 2024? Just a thought…
@ericmorrison4188 exactly, are souls being won, there are Pastors that listen to classical music winning souls by the hundred and sticking in the fight, and people are fighting about music without words in that case if the drum pattern ain't right you can't be either 😂
I like lofi music as a source of instrumental background music for work or study, but especially by Christian artists.
The apostolic church really was operating in the spirit of truth when preaching against tv and worldly music back in the old days. Now we all know these people in Hollywood sacrifice to baal and traffic children and it’s written in their music, they’ve been telling us all along. Our apostolic churches saw right through this not knowing the full scope of what is really happening yet the Holy Spirit lead them in wisdom. It’s funny because now we’re seeing the worldly people opening their eyes to the truth that this music and Hollywood is bad! It’s all over X people talking about it. If they only would have listened from the beginning. BE APOSTOLIC
Good commentary, Dr Bernard.
Just like poetry, people can look around what God has created and write beautiful music to it - so yes. Not all "worldly" music is derogatory - its very pleasant to listen to
Everyone in these comments needs to calm down. Many scholars like classical music. That is the perspective Dr Bernard is speaking from, not Beyoncé or whatever her name is. He did not advocate for ungodly music.
WOW! All I can Say ..
Keep coming with these hot topics Bernard!
Brother bernard show me or give me scripture that says it's okay to listen to worldly music doesn't the Bible say we are to be separate from the world and listening to worldly music makes us more worldly because what enters our eyes and ears goes straight into our hearts and souls transforming us to be whatever we see and hear / listen to
Correct me if I’m wrong but classical and jazz basically has no lyrics, right?
There are Classical pieces that have some lyrics… Handel’s “Messiah”… Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy”… and many other’s…. There are many styles of Jazz with some vocals…. Kirk Waylum’s “The Gospel According to Jazz”…. “Falling in Love with Jesus.”
The answer is NO! Do not listen to secular music.
One thing always lead to another and then we are back eating the throw up. 🤮
To be honest and not a hypocrite - Never ever sing this song
He looked beyond my faults by Dottie Rambo
Danny Boy" is a song with lyrics written by English lawyer Frederic Weatherly in 1910,
Melody is
"Londonderry Air" in 1913.
I love the way that David Bernard studies his word man! Such a role model. 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
Thank you for this! I love all types of music, especially classical and the music from my childhood and youth. I think it is important to be mindful of what we listen to in general, just to keep a sound mind. This is possibly subjective, but this podcast makes sense and keeps me from beating myself up when I choose not to listen to some of the music played on Christian radio. Just my thoughts.
Thank you for finally answering!
I love brother Bernard and am thankful for his solid stance in our faith and doctrine but I have to disagree with his stance..
The short answer is no.
Dead wrong. What fellowship does righteousness have with the unfruitful works of darkness? Either hot or cold Bro. Bernard! Draw a bold line in loving the world and loving God!
simple answer is no!
I’m very shocked by his yes answer
I appreciate these types of videos and I agree with the answer.
Why would they want to ? Not to resort to an externally , self imposed , law but a heart condition.
The temptation is for the soul's entertainment. Then question the quality of entertainment , edified Spiritually , or stimulation of soulish lusts. 432 hz or 440 hz makes a difference in mental state. Amen
I still listen to classical music and jazz, and its secular.
Secular music moves to the flesh, Holy Ghost anointed music moves the heart to magnify and Left up Jesus in Holiness and truth l. The bible says worship the Lord in Spirit and truth.
I do, depending on the song. All secular music isn't bad music. The Holy Spirit will let us know inside what is okay or not.👍💯
Not in any way trying to rebuke an elder.. just speaking truth...just giving scripture.
The Bible says in Ephesians 5:19 speaking to yourselves in Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs singing and making melody in your heart to the LORD.
That's the answer to that question.
We are not the Authority,.. never have been never will be..
GOD'S Word is the Authority!
This is nothing new. If you think this is new you don't have any idea lol. It's just coming out now cause of the internet.
Wow!!!
0 00 secular music .. why would you???? Thats the ?
DOES IT PRAISE GOD? If not don't listen to it.
I’m shocked for this answer. Worldly music has a spirit
So you can watch TV too as long as you regulated I assume this is the stance of the UPC as well
I send love songs to my wife I don’t think there is anything wrong with that
Let's ask this question: Can people who don't believe in the trinity claim to be christians?
Agree with you sir David, same View
Beethoven Scored a Symphony in 4 flats, because he had to move 3 times.
First and foremost we cannot ignore scripture. We also don't know what kind of music David in the Bible played for Saul to soothe his mind. Likely something mellow...it wasn't Amazing Grace.
Think it depends on a person's background too. I grew up in church and secular music didn't mean the same thing to me as it did to my friends that were won to God later in life. They would say no and are very convicted about secular music because it brings up memories attached to their old lifestyle. I even know people that associate certain beats and rhythms as "the club" - similar to concerts etc. I didn't have their same experience but to not offend, be a stumbling block I try to be considerate. One hundred percent agree that your spirit will lead and guide you. Also, unfortunately, many secular artists/musicians, even classical, had questionable or even blatantly wrong lifestyles.... but hey King David, a musician, was an adulterer and murderer (that repented) so.....
Is there anyone that teaches "If you listen to secular music, you could never be saved!"?
The Bible says in whatsoever ye do do all to the glory of GOD!
I Corinthians 10:31
Amen
1st Corinthians 6:12
Try the spirits and see if they be of God. I do not feel the Lord in most of this newer music. This coming from a person, who before I came to Christ, played music in clubs and bars. I played music from all genres. From heavy metal to bluegrass. So it's not the style I have a problem with, it's just simply I do not feel the Lord in it. I think we've gotten to a place where we're trying to win the world with music l, instead of leaning on the convicting Spirit of God to draw people to him.
No sir! Bottom line
Short answer is no, not ok to listen to worldly music
Because it doesn’t give glory to God
Secular doesn't necessarily mean worldly. Should we listen to music that glorifies sex, drugs and other such sins, no. I can however name a few songs that don't glorify sin at all and in fact warn against such things as drug and alcohol use yet are not from any particular Christian label or artist. Johnny Cash's Burning Ring of Fire for example, or Walk the Line are good examples. There is no swearing in them at all and a very good message about staying away from drugs and alcohol. Like most things we are expected to USE OUR BRAINS!!
So next time you hear the star spangled banner, make sure to plug your ears instead of placing your hand over your heart.
Perfect response. Well played to a brainwashed person with no concept of the Religious Li berty Jesus give us.
I think you missed the point of what he considered secular, johnny cash is a worldly singer that doesn't glorify God thats like saying its okay to listen to snoop dogg or kayne west because they made a gospel album, paul said beware of the snares of the enemy one song could get you into the mainstream of listening to all their music. Music was made to worship God, not our flesh. @nahamston
When you’re scrolling through facebook watching cat videos you are also not giving glory to God.
I think it's worth nothing that if you want to be mightily used by God, there is a level of anointing and power that you only can receive when you consecrate yourself from secular music. This isn't just about getting to heaven, it's about being sensitive to the Spirit and able to hear His voice when He speaks. And if you've experienced walking in that level of anointing where you can be used of God, there is no secular music worth giving it up for.
Although I agree with Bro. Bernard with most thing, I completely disagree with this episode of the podcast.
You are allowed to hold your own views, and so is he. I choose not to listen to secular music, but his answer is thought-out and logical.
Logical is normally where Satan hides. I am sure it was logical to eat that fruit with Eve
@@brandonmiller1976 I agree with you.
I've been saying this for decades now. Glad to hear this is the stance of the UPC.
Not necessarily a stance of the UPC.
@SouthernParson David Brenard is the top dog of the organization so I would say he sets the standard for sure. I don't agree with him on everything but I do agree on this.
All the folks condemning the Bishop must not have processed what he said. Lol
Interestingly, I still listen to some secular music, but I don't listen to the same secular music I used to listen to. Even music I believed was innocuous or non-threatening I don't listen to now simply because it doesn't stay with me like it used to. Of course, some genres are obviously something to stay away from, but I'd say that most secular music is fine.
God sees and knows all things, good and evil-the Creator…how we think, what we want..
Personally, I listen to jazz music especially without vocals, some Matisyahu (early music) & Bob Marley that I’m vibing with the fam, I make sure the lyrics are Oright with my soul and flow. I even slow dance with my wife to no music in the house. Idk what kind of life ya live but I’m l.i.v.i.n.g. and I regulate my emotions before the devil come tryin to hug me with his fruity music and such stuff. The Lord is my shepherd and I shall not want. How about Jesus is King album Kanye put out a few years ago, killed it no? Praise Him!
These kinds of questions reveal the people among us who really are not of us. And that is exactly why The signs mentioned in Mark 16 are fading away.
Organizations can be beautiful however Satan will never stop trying for to turn a leader and then destroy as much as he can.
Michael, thank you for the feedback. Either you didn't listen to the entire episode, or you misunderstood what Brother Bernard said. He was clear that Christians shouldn't listen to sinful music. However, songs like "Happy Birthday," the U.S. national anthem, and many other "secular" songs aren't explicitly Christian but also do not promote ungodliness. - Podcast Production Team
Yes sir. That is why I talked about the questions. Who are the people who are even thinking about that? Who is asking the questions? The next thing you know we will see so called Christian Rap music.
I am 44 years old. I have played music since age of 8. I also played in the club also. Music is coming into the Pentecostal church which should not be here. I have witnessed at some of our meetings. I will not call the names out but I am hearing music that is Bruno Mars , Michael Jackson etc music. And they are now making our stages dark just like the false churches have done for decades. So different kinds of music has penetrated the Apostolic Church and we have to abstain from the very appearance of evil.
The Bible tells us to sing spiritual hymns making melody to the Lord. We have Holyghost radio etc . When the Church does this that’s when we see people getting out of wheel chairs, blind eyes coming open but it does not matter how much faith we as ministers have if the people start opening themselves to even so called non sinful music. If we want to see the demonstration of the Spirit we must walk in the Spirit . And I find that to be very enjoyable.
The answer should be a resounding No. what did Paul say if he who is weak in the faith see your liberty he may go and do the same and fall. Shut it down and keep it moving.
And yes you are correct on the part about birthday songs etc. But that’s not being played by an artist in our homes either. The devil will start good and then once we get caught up listening to the artist another door will be open. Johnathan McReynolds is a perfect example. He sings gospel and secular songs. So the wisdom God showed me is listen to none of his music. There is something in man that seeks to turn us around and suddenly it will get caught up on a certain artist and suddenly the flesh does not care whether it’s secular non sinful or secular sinful. It will demand for what it wants and that’s what we have to avoid.
And he cometh and findeth them sleeping said unto Peter, Simon sleepeths thou? Could you not watch for one hour ? Mark 14:37
If the saints have not reached the point where we can even spend an hour in prayer. That’s before reading. How do we have time for these other things?
Vs 38 Watch and pray lest ye enter into temptation
That’s the problem. We are blessed , pride starts showing up, the prayer life dies and the flesh comes alive and then the church cannot recognize certain temptations.
We act like the devil is already chained to the bottom less pit. No he is still presenting forbidden fruit.
We should be asking what can I do to become more spiritual. Instead the people only can think about I can I become more carnal without sinning. Sounds like Solomon marrying strange wives. Did he bow down right away ? No it took at 20 years but one day something showed up in his heart and it whipped him
@DavidKBernardUPCI A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, the eye is never satisfied with seeing nor the ear with hearing, and whether therefore ye eat or drink or WHATSOEVER ye do, do ALL to the glory of God are just a few Scriptures that completely go against everything said on this podcast. This is completely obsurd and ludicrous, and I could not disagree with you 2 more. coming from a UPCI member for the last 10 yrs.
Just because someone is smart doesn't mean the person is wise. I don't agree in listening secular music. It is against the Word of God. We are suppose to be separated from the world.
Sorry Bernard your going down the wrong path sir 1 Peter 1:16 " Be holy as I am holy" that means do your best and that's a no for me and 1 Corinthians 10:31 states Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God PLAIN AND SIMPLE SECULAR MUSIC DOES NOT GLORIFY GOD
I have wondered about him for a while. He seems to be more of a politician
What about the Lee stoneking, TW Barnes and others .
@MichaelHines-d1x yes me too I love the apostolic doctrine but there are some inconsistencies not all apostolic oneness preachers agree with him
Going to add on to this Elias! It’s not about us either!!! Secular music makes us focus on us. That’s what my generation now days focuses on, we focus on “me” and “I”. I just have learned to not trust or lean on myself, shouldn’t that also mean with music? When listening to Christian music you’re worshiping and praising God leaning on Him. And if we are questioning it shouldn’t it mean that you know it might be bad?!
I really think that you should show the Bishop and General Superintendent a little more respect… than simply addressing him as “Bernard”. It’s interesting how you can come across so righteous in your personal decision… and yet display a disrespect for God ordained leadership..
@ericmorrison4188 I'm not righteous or good no one is and we are all the same in the eyes of God just because he's a bishop with theologian studies, I do respect him but disagree with him and just because I didnt address a certain way doesn't mean anything. An acclaimed man of God of his stature should know better than to create a video that directly contradicts the Bible I don't tolerate that stuff the Bible also talks about being careful about what you teach in James 3:1- My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. This video directly encourages people to listen to secular music and that's a joke since I know very well the Oneness Holiness beliefs
As a fellow UPCI minister. Thank you Brother Bernard for your wise and anointed leadership
You lost me at yes then contradicted yourself saying we should not engage in things that are worldly then saying yes we can listen to secular music. God created us and gave us our ability for one thing and that is to bring him glory. You cannot mix light and darkness.
God is a Holy and jealous God who has called us to come out from among them and be ye separate. Without Holiness no man shall see God. This video is a doctrine of devils, the so called church is trying to conform to the world and not to Christ. It will lead many people to a devils hell and the so called pastors, preachers, ministers that are deceiving millions will give account for the blood of every soul they lead astray. God is the same yesterday to day and forever. If It is was a sin 100 years ago it is still a sin today no matter the cultural change that has taken place.
In God's kingdom is no balance, it's The Holy Ghost !
Lotta Christian music is not glorified God, but to become some kind of music star and pleasing oneself! Check out the Bethel movement!
Even Satan said, I will exalt my throne above God stars ! Isaiah 14:13
Why is the best music in the secular world? It’s very alluring!
I’m thinking maybe he’s stating something fun like educational or kids music or perhaps most classical music does not have any bad spirits or vibes in itZ
Becareful what what we see and hear. See no evil hear no evil. Style fine but be careful.
I disagree with David the answer is no
That sounds like a Law…. No secular Christmas songs for you…. Oh and Birthday songs either.. Now we can be just like the Jehovah Witnesses.. Love ya friend in Jesus name!
God created music but Satan uses it for himself beware.
Did DKB just say yes?
That is what I heard.