Nearly all the houses you added were semi-detached but they were set to 'one household' so technically you should have double the population in Croydon Gardens. Also, "Earl Grey Court" is an opportunity you shouldn't miss
@@kaseyk278 I was thinking along the same line though more of the "Computer! Tea, Early Grey, hot" Now I also have that Uber Eats commercial stuck in my head! "Ooh, SIR!" I want Mark Hamill to appear in an episode of Picard now!
All the houses in Croydon are set to 1 household. But they are semi-detached houses. So all of them should be 2 households. That will give you twice as much residents in same area
20:05 Height thing. Press the "~" button at the bottom right hand corner of the screen when using the move it mod. It should automatically adjust it to the slope of the terrain.
Also it'll move individual items to follow the terrain. If you move an object higher using PgUp and then move it to an area with different terrain, it'll keep the distance between the asset and ground.
Ok, so: 1. There is a nice arched viaduct for trains, it's called Elevated Train Track over Wall and Arch Bridge v2 by SimoG. Personally I love it. 2. There is this icon in move it that looks like ~ (follow terrain) which makes anything copied/pasted, well, follow the terrain. 3. Copying/pasting growables doesn't maintain their current level. If, however, the building was plopped and it was by default, say level 3 residential, it will be copied as such (even if upgraded since). Hope it makes sense. 4. Also, roads with grass/trees raise land value.
Got some suggestions for the next expansion of the city: 1. Build a Cathedral. 2. Build a second retail area near the other motorway junction - separate shops, even a fast-food/restaurant site. 3. More shops near the high street area - maybe even a shopping mall, and a city hall here. 4. Some train lines running round to the new residential area. 5. An industrial hub on other side of city? 6. Change some junctions to roundabouts/mini-roundabouts?
A nice train viaduct would be Elevated Train Track over Wall and Arch Bridge v2 by SimoG. I use this track all the time to make old and stylistic bridges :)
Time to develope a couple of stately houses out of town with all the farming and industry that keeps such estates viable. Will be a very interesting exercise.
The transport hub might benefit from being called "Upper Teahampton Parkway" rather than Hub, as Parkway is a british term that's usually used to describe a transport interchange or railway station that's outside of the city centre itself, Often where a lot of cars will park and catch the bus into the city centre, rather than having to deal with the traffic.
When you build the university, place it near the transport hub, as students probably don’t have cars and would heavily rely on public transport. Also, the standard university campus will probably be fit in better with the British theme, as the Liberal Arts one has a more Spanish-style architecture, and the trade school seems a touch too modern for this build, as most universities in the UK have existed for a long time, which means older style architecture.
Suggestion: when building schools, include a large open area of grass as a playing field. A lot of schools in towns/cities such as this one would have open grass areas - it's mostly just inner city schools that don't. Exceptions exist as always though!!!
Hey Biffa, loving these UK build videos! One small suggestion is to use more realistic buses for your bus routes. I don't think a coach would come to my house and pick me up to go to the shops.
The UK has multiple school naming schemes. It's actually a confusing mess. I went to a school setup that followed Primary>Middle>High. It has since been renamed and there is in fact no "High" or "Secondary" in the name, now it's an Academy, and the Middle School has been repurposed as a Sixth Form college. But, things change on local scales and names set up in the 1970s, 80s and 90s often persist in juxtaposition to everything you'd expect.
the new area could possibly do with a small precinct of shops , chemists , bakers news agent. love this and all your other builds , i have learnt a lot from you !
I just realised that the houses in croydon gardens have only 1 household when it is supposed to be 2. Maybe change it in the next episode? It will definitely boost your population just that little bit more.
I've had roads not accept bus lines like that in the past. My "fix" for it was to "upgrade" the road by changing it to something else then putting the original road back.
G'Day Biffa, your new park along the main road with the Elder Care, Child Care etc. Wootton Park could be renamed "Serpenteane Park" as it's quite narrow and the path snakes through it. Cheers.
That train bridge reminds me of that iconic Hogwarts Express aerial shot in Harry Potter. What about adding a steam train asset as a tourist type experience, there are a few of those in the UK. 🙂
If you want to set all the buildings to terrain height use the move it mod and highlight all of them. Then go to the “set height” menu. There should be three options I think and one of them will be set to terrain height. Thatll make all the buildings and nodes etc go down (or up) to grown level :)
I really hope there’s a Douglas-fir tree on the workshop. They’re more common in the West of the U.K. or by the coast (in my case) and sometimes there’s one standalone tree that just makes the area, and other times there’s like a cluster of three or four of them, and they are so cool because they’re huge! Tallest tree in the U.K. So yeah, I’d love to see some of these in your city, the entire map is coastal enough for these tree to naturally grow there (their definition of coastal is actually quite large compared to our “walk has to be 5 minutes to the beach”) Facts about Douglas-fire: They came from North America brought over in 1827 by the botanist David Douglas, which is where they get their namesake from. Being from America is why they’re so big as trees from the Americas can get very large, Douglas-firs being one of these. The world’s tallest trees are from that region of the earth, a Coastal Douglas-fir tree called Brummit Fir which is 100 metres tall! That’s as tall as Big Ben! It’s only second to Hyperion, a Coastal Redwood called Hyperion. There are three types of Douglas-firs, coastal which grow the largest and don’t necessarily need to be near the coast, but are often found somewhat near them. Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir, which don’t grow that tall but are found high up in many mountain ranges, especially the Rocky Mountains (no surprise there), and the Mexican Douglas-fir which is found in hotter climates, namely Mexico, but are unfortunately dying out due to not being as reproductive as other varieties of Douglas-firs. Douglas-fire aren’t actually Fir trees, but actually a type of evergreen Conifer, which is why “fir” is commonly hyphenated instead of a standalone word. Oh and lastly, but probably the coolest fact, the bark isn’t flammable! This means that trees which are very flammable tend to grow near Douglas-firs as the fire will reach the Douglas-fir and won’t be able to continue to spread to the neighbouring trees. This is due to the bark being very thick as the tree is very fast growing, and also being a very moist softwood, which is not good when it comes to fire wanting to burn it down. Anyway, that’s my rant about what is arguably my favourite tree over now :)
Since when do we have rugby pitches in a village? I’ve never seen one! Be more of a football pitch mate, never played rugby apart from school field and that was like 8 years ago 🙄
Oop north there are rugby pitches in more urbanized areas, which is how this is growing, a touch too big for a village, although you now find them amalgamated with football pitches in local team towns
Love the content, every time I watch a video of yours it makes me wanna go play on mine. The only problem is that my cities never come out that beautiful, it’s functional, but not that beautiful. So keep up the amazing work, I really enjoy it. Also, at about 11:29 to 11:45 on your video, when you was working on Eggbuckland Park, a whole bunch of people(at least it look people) just scurried across your field from the train. I sometimes tend to have that issue in my game, I wanted to know why is that?
Idea: copy and paste the under construction part of the hosing estate to the edge of where you’ve now built up to and update that part to be finished so it looks like the growth is starting by the town and slowly coming out!
I don't know of any specific mod in the workshop, but some inspiration for your viaduct could be Digswell Viaduct/Welwyn Garden City Viaduct. It's much more traditional than the one you have used, but is beautiful with all the arches. In general, looking into the Garden Cities Movement might be interesting for you, and maybe influence some town planning.
When using Move It and selecting multiple items. Click on the little down arrow under "segments". Another window opens and you can then pick what type of objects are selected (so you don't have to un-select them). I love your videos. Keep 'em coming Biffa!
The cricket green and long, narrow trees/park bit round the back of the estate reminds me of where I used to live. Flats fit really well too. Love the series! And thanks for working through the jumpiness, I know from past city series that it's a bit annoying but the results are so cool
Suggestions: 1. For the cricket ground, I think you should use the BOB tool in your unified UI to get rid of the billboards/advertisement. I don't live in the UK but having ads at a local cricket ground in a village seems odd. 2. It doesn't seem realistic for the UK apartment blocks to not have any parking. I know there isn't much space so do what you can. Perhaps remove a block or add a parking lot in the space near the fire station. (I think that's a fire station) Love the videos and can't wait for the next episode :)
I love the little country village (except the vanilla trees in the trainstation carpark :P ) I made some suggestions for names in the vid when you built it, but figured I'd post them again as I was quite proud of some of them. Village name suggestions: - Kettleby - 'by' as a suffix means: farmstead, village, settlement - Teathorpe - 'thorpe' as a suffix means: secondary/outlying settlement which relies on a larger settlement nearby. - Teakirk - kirk means: church. - Kettlemere / Kettlemore - 'mere' / 'more' means: pond.
When you copy-pasted the 3rd portion of Croyden, you cuold have used MoveIt! to align everything to the ground. MoveIt! copies the Z-axis value of the object being copied, but the the z-axis value of the ground is still there underneath the object. So, you can copy-paste a bunch of stuff, then re-select everything you just pasted, and "align to terrain." Now everything is 'respecting the topography' as Phil might say. Love your builds. The Railroads2 project you promoted several months back has some _gorgeous_ arched rail bridges.
Mate, UK schools are called "Primary" and "Secondary" on the whole. Round us the secondary school is called a College - don't ask me why! (We still have a few Grammars, but not many).
When you start expanding to some water you could call the area 'Teabury Docks'. Also all high streets have flats above the shops or behind in side roads so that could be a good idea!
19:98 There's an option in the move-it mod to allign objects to terrain height, you just click the up arrow next to the bulldoze button and it's under there, I forget what the icon looks like.
I agree with others who say an arched brick viaduct would be much more common than the fancy modern ones. Especially since your wee railway museum implies it's an old railway town. There's a couple of traditional red brick arches in the workshop that would be appropriate. There's also a couple of filled in arches where people have put stores, storage, etc. Probably cosmetic rather than plopable rico, but would look good.
Nice to see a cricket pitch; really adds to the feel of the village green. How about a war memorial in front of the church in the village, instead of the large tree? There's a prop called "Memorial Cross" on the Steam Workshop that looks good. There are hundreds and hundreds of war memorials in all sorts of places in the UK, largely built after the First World War then added to after the Second, so it certainly makes sense to have one in the village (and even elsewhere in the town, too).
BIFFA!!!! MOVE IT HAS A MATCH TERRAIN HEIGHT OPTION!!! If you click on the little triangle there's an option right next to the slope/line options. Would have been a great options for the new copy-paste neighbourhoods to avoid having to flatten the hill
We have the viaduct nearby, its the train line that runs from London Paddington and goes into Bristol Parkway. It goes over the river Frome and apparently opened in 1902 so very much a local landmark and is definitely realistic. Spoils love to see little villages run underneath the train line if the citizens don’t complain too much about the noise!
Love the village, starting to come along very well. Have to say I wouldn't like to live in those houses where you walk out the back door onto the train tracks, houses that age would have had a back yard at least (where the loo and a chicken run or something could be put) which would now be scrappy garden unless the occupants put in a lot of effort
Has to be a universitea, the ressearch they do is ressearch in tea. That would fit the UK, as I got to know it in Brighton. Did you stop the moon project? I assume the transportation cost for tea made it impossible.
for realism, the train triangle should be entirely raised ground. Also, several sections of track from the station should remain raised ground, too. This is because raised ground is MUCH cheaper than a bridge, to a certain height, and will be used as much as possible. I would also add churches. The workshop has several that work as death care, which I think is perfect
Loving it, Biffa! I think you need more shops near Croydon. Just a little corner shop set up, so people could grab some milk, bread and tea bags without having to go all the way over to the Wave. And maybe a fancy café or something. 😁
For the university: i would suggest taking a modern style. Since your uk City isnt a "maincity" (like Manchester or London). Since little cities often start with villages, without a university, it was probably builded alot later. And it would be quite realistic in my oppinion.
Maybe with one or two older buildings that were supposed to be something completly different and later got converted, when the new university that started in the 70s got to small somewhere around the 90s allready. Like maybe the town built a new hospital around that time and the old one was reused as a dormitory.
I think that some of the houses in Croydon that should have 2 households because they're semi detached actually have 1 household? Quickly when you checked households I may have noticed that, but maybe I'm wrong
Just a couple of suggestions - bridge over the motorway and train line to allow people to walk to the transport hubs from the terraced houses and 1930s style semi-detached properties as you seem to go from Victorian terraces to 1950s-80s estates via 1970s tower blocks and miss the ubiquitous 1930s housing. As for the university, see which one looks most like the Russell Group of universities and see if you can do a city style university rather than a campus style university.
Where I live down the south of England, we have so many roads etc that are so steep and it’s not an issue for vehicles etc. I think having some steep roads around the city would be a nice addition. Especially like a steep hill with houses all up it, similar to where I used to live.
When naming things after tea, don’t forget varieties like Earl Grey, chamomile, Assam, white, black, green, etc. There have been some amazing recommendations with “tea” straight in the name, but maybe we could venture out a bit? Love this series!
BIFFA! (34:38) you can, while keeping the move it selection go to the move it terrain tab, the same one where slope objects are in I think, and select alight object to the terrain. You can do this with multiple buildings and roads selected!!!
The viaduct looks amazing compared to the raised earth. There are so many talented people who create such detailed custom content for this game, it is incredible!!! 🤯
I know you mentioned eventually putting the university (universitea?) behind the wood, but maybe it should be more towards the center of town? It strikes me that the town would have grown up around the school. Although I can't say whether that's the UK model, but it seems to be a fairly common pattern in the US. Up behind the wood seems too far out of town.
I think the key difference between the US and the UK here is that in the US there are a lot of towns the same age as their universities, whereas in the UK most towns are far, far older than their universities. There are some very old university towns like Cambridge or Oxford, where the university was either the first thing on the site, or was established very early in the town's history, but there are also a large number of universities built in the 20th century that are on campuses outside the city, because there was simply no land available in the cities by that point for them. Take for example, the "oldest recorded town" in Britain: Colchester, which was established by the Romans in 43 AD, because an important trading and military hub throughout the middle ages and was a regional manufacturing centre in the 1800s, but didn't receive a university until 1961. This is a pattern you'll see across the country - there simply just used to be far fewer higher education establishments across the UK, so modern development took place outside the urban centres. What's interesting is that in the university cities, the universities often own buildings all over town, as they expanded into whatever properties they could get their hands on over the years, even if they weren't contiguous, so they have no central campus - or at least several smaller campuses dotted around. This leads to the monikers "city" and "campus" universities. Campus universities are usually quite new, and while development around them has occurred, they are nowhere near as built up as city universities.
Love this build! Makes me miss the English countryside. From my few weeks walking the Cotswold Way (see profile), I feel like a few REALLY old stone castle ruins or towers could really elevate the realism of the country village. Also I remember so many old churches. Something that has a Norman/Saxon feel would be perfect.
A good suggestion for a university that will fit into the town is “Chirper University” on the workshop by Benetto. Absolutely love this series by the way.
8:02. For a really traditional village, you could add a Buttercross..... Assuming such a thing exists in the steam workshop. It would need to go at the main junction in the village
Love but also hate the tower blocks! Just like real life I guess 😂. This British build is stunning, can’t wait to watch it expand into a sprawling suburbs! You just need a couple of “No Ball Game” signs on the grass next to the blocks of flats!
IRL a shopping centre and industry that big would be servicing multiple towns, each bigger than the entire residential population at the start of this video. My home city (which is considered quite small) has a population of just over 210k people, but only has 3 big retail parks, and about as many industrial too. Realisticly, a town of 12k people wouldn't be enough to warrany a massive retail park at all - just a bunch of local shops in the local village centre. Things like a Co-op or a mini Sainsbury's would be the biggest retail shops.
Biffa, you may want to go around your city and look for places where tree anarchy was left on, examples include the Eggbuckland Park area, the parking lot right in front of the train station appears to have trees in the middle of it.
You could use a British, old train track viaduct with a steam train from the workshop. I play cities skylines on console so don’t know much about the steam workshop but I am British so having a very medieval feeling around Blighty-on-the-Wald would definitely suit a British style city.
The Victorians had no issues with building a 1km long viaduct/embankment to save 1% gradient, but there's no way that in the modern era network rail would have the budget for it, particularly for a small town in the country. So if you're going to do a viaduct it would make more sense for it to look a similar age to the terracing. That's the kind of period when small towns got rail as well - before cars. Also the only thing in common with real Croydon is the amount of empty houses!
Suggestion: Add more trees to the "triangle park", behind Croydon. Because I think you said that when you built it, that it was supposed to be like a nature reserve.
If that main road running along Croyden Gardens was actually a main large, road, you wouldn't usually have houses directly on it, it would usually be a bush/tree line to give the houses some privacy, and the front of the houses would be on the other side (back of house to the main road with a thick tree/bush line), slightly separating the houses form the main road etc.
With the university/high school, the one I went to was very modern as it was very new. I think a modern one would fit the area nicely. There was also a Co-Op right next door to it and a library across the road. That would look very realistic maybe. Love the vids, Biffa
Parkway is a good end name for a place like that. A train station on the outskirts of a town with buses and plenty of parking. Upper Teahampton Parkway or just Teahampton Parkway. Also, leaving the viaduct as the high speed one looks nice as it depicts the station as being new and added on for new development around that area.
I like the realistic pop mod a lot, but you have to adjust buildings constantly. It is nice being able to get one building to house 1k people with an office across the street that has 800 workplaces :)
incredible, how beautiful the neighbourhoods in your cities look like. Mine tend do look the same no matter what. Guess I'll need some more practise and spend more time in detailing.
Biffa, to answer your question about what style of university for British style....I was on the workshop last night looking up Tudor buildings(there are some up there if you do ever want to do a classic tudor village like I suggested awhile ago), there is an asset up called university main campus...I think that's for a standalone university if you don't want to do a campus. The building certainly looks British. Jubilee Hall is another one. And then Faculty Building (University) kinda goes with Jubilee Hall if you want to take a look.
I'm SO glad Cities: Skylines was free one the Epic store a few weeks ago, I didn't realize how much I missed Biffa until I started playing C:S and found out that Biffa was doing videos for it and started watching him again!
For changing the elevation of things with the move it mod, there's an option in the mod settings called "set to terrain height" which doesn't have a key bind by default, but if you add one you can automatically snap things to the terrain height!
Would love to see a proper town centre for the city with a nice old council house, could also do a bit more high residential for the population demand in the city 😁
When you were following the bus for the new TH > Croydon line, maybe it had to go around the roundabout because the road in front of the Tea Hampton bus station has a median, and so it could not turn into the station while heading down the ramp. Maybe connect the road the bus terminal is on to the main road? That way busses could leave the terminal, make a left onto the main road, and then immediately enter the bus station?
Looking great! I Don't know if it would suit or if there is space, but on that hill behind the area in Croydon you worked on, would using some of your quay walls with stairs to make a stepped terrace area or two work?
You'd need an area with lots of 50+ households buildings to meet that demand I think. Might need to sprinkle 2-4 of them in each area ou expend residential into. On my street they are around the intersection (2 on each side of each street) and the rest are either one households or duplexes/triplexes (2-3 households) or a mix thereof. Really taking shape tho, I love that build. Tho I can't wait for the huge packed downtown when the town reaches for that metropolis status later !
Nearly all the houses you added were semi-detached but they were set to 'one household' so technically you should have double the population in Croydon Gardens. Also, "Earl Grey Court" is an opportunity you shouldn't miss
Make it so!
@@kaseyk278 I was thinking along the same line though more of the "Computer! Tea, Early Grey, hot"
Now I also have that Uber Eats commercial stuck in my head! "Ooh, SIR!" I want Mark Hamill to appear in an episode of Picard now!
All the houses in Croydon are set to 1 household. But they are semi-detached houses. So all of them should be 2 households. That will give you twice as much residents in same area
20:05 Height thing. Press the "~" button at the bottom right hand corner of the screen when using the move it mod. It should automatically adjust it to the slope of the terrain.
Also it'll move individual items to follow the terrain. If you move an object higher using PgUp and then move it to an area with different terrain, it'll keep the distance between the asset and ground.
@@williamhuang8309 Ohh yeah. You can do that. 👍
Ok, so:
1. There is a nice arched viaduct for trains, it's called
Elevated Train Track over Wall and Arch Bridge v2 by SimoG. Personally I love it.
2. There is this icon in move it that looks like ~ (follow terrain) which makes anything copied/pasted, well, follow the terrain.
3. Copying/pasting growables doesn't maintain their current level. If, however, the building was plopped and it was by default, say level 3 residential, it will be copied as such (even if upgraded since). Hope it makes sense.
4. Also, roads with grass/trees raise land value.
There is also an option in move it to snap to terrain height.
You know what, dads playing cities skylines is the new dads having their personal train toy going around the house.
🤣
I don't see the problem with either scenario. 😆
The train aspect of Cities is what originally got me into this game. And yes, I had a good size model train layout growing up!
As a man about to become a dad of 2 i couldnt agree more haha 😆
My dad played sim City quite a lot
Got some suggestions for the next expansion of the city:
1. Build a Cathedral.
2. Build a second retail area near the other motorway junction - separate shops, even a fast-food/restaurant site.
3. More shops near the high street area - maybe even a shopping mall, and a city hall here.
4. Some train lines running round to the new residential area.
5. An industrial hub on other side of city?
6. Change some junctions to roundabouts/mini-roundabouts?
Nice ideas 👍
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Man... I still wanna suggest "St. Teasmede" for the village BTW - I just can't stop recalling how I thought of it
A nice train viaduct would be Elevated Train Track over Wall and Arch Bridge v2 by SimoG. I use this track all the time to make old and stylistic bridges :)
I wonder if the workshop has a train viaduct with businesses built in under the arches.
@@l3v1ckUK that would only work later, after the series has progressed.
Time to develope a couple of stately houses out of town with all the farming and industry that keeps such estates viable. Will be a very interesting exercise.
Now that you got Croydon as an area, you probably need a tram connecting it
And a large fire to... improve it.
Croydons had a lovely upgrade thanks to biffa! This isn’t the Croydon I live near 😂
Croydon Tramlink
And loads of police stations heh
The transport hub might benefit from being called "Upper Teahampton Parkway" rather than Hub, as Parkway is a british term that's usually used to describe a transport interchange or railway station that's outside of the city centre itself, Often where a lot of cars will park and catch the bus into the city centre, rather than having to deal with the traffic.
When you build the university, place it near the transport hub, as students probably don’t have cars and would heavily rely on public transport. Also, the standard university campus will probably be fit in better with the British theme, as the Liberal Arts one has a more Spanish-style architecture, and the trade school seems a touch too modern for this build, as most universities in the UK have existed for a long time, which means older style architecture.
I agree with you as I'm from Oxford and our oldest University is nearly a thousand years old.
Biffa if you're adding a cricket pitch to Eggbuckland park you have to change it to Eggbaston!
Chester Tea Street surely!
I noticed at 11:27 , the village Train Station has people walking across the field towards the main City.
I saw that too! I was hoping he'd notice.
me 3
The new park along the new housing estate should have a golf course behind it, with a possible driving range called TeaOff
Maybe "Teaing Off"
Suggestion: when building schools, include a large open area of grass as a playing field. A lot of schools in towns/cities such as this one would have open grass areas - it's mostly just inner city schools that don't. Exceptions exist as always though!!!
Hey Biffa, loving these UK build videos! One small suggestion is to use more realistic buses for your bus routes. I don't think a coach would come to my house and pick me up to go to the shops.
Love this series Biffa! Though if I could change one thing, it would be Elementary --> Primary and High --> Secondary
The UK has multiple school naming schemes. It's actually a confusing mess. I went to a school setup that followed Primary>Middle>High. It has since been renamed and there is in fact no "High" or "Secondary" in the name, now it's an Academy, and the Middle School has been repurposed as a Sixth Form college. But, things change on local scales and names set up in the 1970s, 80s and 90s often persist in juxtaposition to everything you'd expect.
Actually there a 27 buses on the new line and they are queuing up so i think you should decrease them.
I was wondering if he noticed that...
the new area could possibly do with a small precinct of shops , chemists , bakers news agent. love this and all your other builds , i have learnt a lot from you !
*Adds a council flat*
"These look very...."
Me: Yep, they are perfect
7:18 I know I’m late but this reminds me of the glenfinnan viaduct in Scotland!
11:28 Um Biffa, where are all those rail passengers going?
Passengers: We're fed up waiting, we'll walk to the town.
I came to mention this. Everyone is walking across the field!!!
I just realised that the houses in croydon gardens have only 1 household when it is supposed to be 2. Maybe change it in the next episode? It will definitely boost your population just that little bit more.
I've had roads not accept bus lines like that in the past. My "fix" for it was to "upgrade" the road by changing it to something else then putting the original road back.
The school names should be changed as you have "Elementary" at the end of your school names whereas in the UK it would be "primary"
G'Day Biffa, your new park along the main road with the Elder Care, Child Care etc. Wootton Park could be renamed "Serpenteane Park" as it's quite narrow and the path snakes through it. Cheers.
Mile Oak Forest should be renamed "IlluminaTea Forest", I believe. Just look at this inexplicable triangular shape!
You said you might change the word "hub" and i agree. I think Upper Teahampton Exchange has a nice ring to it
That train bridge reminds me of that iconic Hogwarts Express aerial shot in Harry Potter. What about adding a steam train asset as a tourist type experience, there are a few of those in the UK. 🙂
If you want to set all the buildings to terrain height use the move it mod and highlight all of them. Then go to the “set height” menu. There should be three options I think and one of them will be set to terrain height. Thatll make all the buildings and nodes etc go down (or up) to grown level :)
I came here to say this. Hopefully Biffa will see it!
I really hope there’s a Douglas-fir tree on the workshop.
They’re more common in the West of the U.K. or by the coast (in my case) and sometimes there’s one standalone tree that just makes the area, and other times there’s like a cluster of three or four of them, and they are so cool because they’re huge! Tallest tree in the U.K.
So yeah, I’d love to see some of these in your city, the entire map is coastal enough for these tree to naturally grow there (their definition of coastal is actually quite large compared to our “walk has to be 5 minutes to the beach”)
Facts about Douglas-fire:
They came from North America brought over in 1827 by the botanist David Douglas, which is where they get their namesake from.
Being from America is why they’re so big as trees from the Americas can get very large, Douglas-firs being one of these. The world’s tallest trees are from that region of the earth, a Coastal Douglas-fir tree called Brummit Fir which is 100 metres tall! That’s as tall as Big Ben! It’s only second to Hyperion, a Coastal Redwood called Hyperion.
There are three types of Douglas-firs, coastal which grow the largest and don’t necessarily need to be near the coast, but are often found somewhat near them. Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir, which don’t grow that tall but are found high up in many mountain ranges, especially the Rocky Mountains (no surprise there), and the Mexican Douglas-fir which is found in hotter climates, namely Mexico, but are unfortunately dying out due to not being as reproductive as other varieties of Douglas-firs.
Douglas-fire aren’t actually Fir trees, but actually a type of evergreen Conifer, which is why “fir” is commonly hyphenated instead of a standalone word.
Oh and lastly, but probably the coolest fact, the bark isn’t flammable! This means that trees which are very flammable tend to grow near Douglas-firs as the fire will reach the Douglas-fir and won’t be able to continue to spread to the neighbouring trees. This is due to the bark being very thick as the tree is very fast growing, and also being a very moist softwood, which is not good when it comes to fire wanting to burn it down.
Anyway, that’s my rant about what is arguably my favourite tree over now :)
Loving this series as a Brit. Now you've added a cricket pitch, it's time to get a rugby pitch on the go!
Since when do we have rugby pitches in a village? I’ve never seen one! Be more of a football pitch mate, never played rugby apart from school field and that was like 8 years ago 🙄
Oop north there are rugby pitches in more urbanized areas, which is how this is growing, a touch too big for a village, although you now find them amalgamated with football pitches in local team towns
Love the content, every time I watch a video of yours it makes me wanna go play on mine. The only problem is that my cities never come out that beautiful, it’s functional, but not that beautiful. So keep up the amazing work, I really enjoy it. Also, at about 11:29 to 11:45 on your video, when you was working on Eggbuckland Park, a whole bunch of people(at least it look people) just scurried across your field from the train. I sometimes tend to have that issue in my game, I wanted to know why is that?
Odd lol. Thanks 👍 😊
Idea: copy and paste the under construction part of the hosing estate to the edge of where you’ve now built up to and update that part to be finished so it looks like the growth is starting by the town and slowly coming out!
I don't know of any specific mod in the workshop, but some inspiration for your viaduct could be Digswell Viaduct/Welwyn Garden City Viaduct. It's much more traditional than the one you have used, but is beautiful with all the arches. In general, looking into the Garden Cities Movement might be interesting for you, and maybe influence some town planning.
Biffa: a sloped railway line is very realistic in the UK, many commenter's have said it.
Also Biffa: Still changes it to a viaduct...
So true! The slop was better. I think the viaduc is way too high
Why a duck? Why not a chicken?
Chickens can't fly.
@@Malo-TheFlyingFrenchman You obviously have not seen the viaduct at digwall 100 ft in height, the viaduct is however too long.
When using Move It and selecting multiple items. Click on the little down arrow under "segments". Another window opens and you can then pick what type of objects are selected (so you don't have to un-select them). I love your videos. Keep 'em coming Biffa!
The cricket green and long, narrow trees/park bit round the back of the estate reminds me of where I used to live. Flats fit really well too. Love the series! And thanks for working through the jumpiness, I know from past city series that it's a bit annoying but the results are so cool
Suggestions:
1. For the cricket ground, I think you should use the BOB tool in your unified UI to get rid of the billboards/advertisement. I don't live in the UK but having ads at a local cricket ground in a village seems odd.
2. It doesn't seem realistic for the UK apartment blocks to not have any parking. I know there isn't much space so do what you can. Perhaps remove a block or add a parking lot in the space near the fire station. (I think that's a fire station)
Love the videos and can't wait for the next episode :)
this is my fav Cities Skylines series on YT, just feels like home
I love the little country village (except the vanilla trees in the trainstation carpark :P )
I made some suggestions for names in the vid when you built it, but figured I'd post them again as I was quite proud of some of them.
Village name suggestions:
- Kettleby - 'by' as a suffix means: farmstead, village, settlement
- Teathorpe - 'thorpe' as a suffix means: secondary/outlying settlement which relies on a larger settlement nearby.
- Teakirk - kirk means: church.
- Kettlemere / Kettlemore - 'mere' / 'more' means: pond.
When you copy-pasted the 3rd portion of Croyden, you cuold have used MoveIt! to align everything to the ground.
MoveIt! copies the Z-axis value of the object being copied, but the the z-axis value of the ground is still there underneath the object. So, you can copy-paste a bunch of stuff, then re-select everything you just pasted, and "align to terrain." Now everything is 'respecting the topography' as Phil might say.
Love your builds. The Railroads2 project you promoted several months back has some _gorgeous_ arched rail bridges.
Mate, UK schools are called "Primary" and "Secondary" on the whole. Round us the secondary school is called a College - don't ask me why! (We still have a few Grammars, but not many).
When you start expanding to some water you could call the area 'Teabury Docks'. Also all high streets have flats above the shops or behind in side roads so that could be a good idea!
19:98 There's an option in the move-it mod to allign objects to terrain height, you just click the up arrow next to the bulldoze button and it's under there, I forget what the icon looks like.
He was using it, but it is slow as it is a couple of menus deep. Other people have made the suggestion to use the ~ shortcut.
I agree with others who say an arched brick viaduct would be much more common than the fancy modern ones. Especially since your wee railway museum implies it's an old railway town. There's a couple of traditional red brick arches in the workshop that would be appropriate. There's also a couple of filled in arches where people have put stores, storage, etc. Probably cosmetic rather than plopable rico, but would look good.
11:27 The people!??!? They got off the train and all wandered out on the wold. Where are they going? Is this Shaun of the Dead?
Many uk city skylines RUclipsr use uk train bridge which made by brikes .
I think it should be in the style of the University of Oxford.
Nothing more British than that.
I second this but I'm from Oxford so rather bias mate.
Nice to see a cricket pitch; really adds to the feel of the village green. How about a war memorial in front of the church in the village, instead of the large tree? There's a prop called "Memorial Cross" on the Steam Workshop that looks good. There are hundreds and hundreds of war memorials in all sorts of places in the UK, largely built after the First World War then added to after the Second, so it certainly makes sense to have one in the village (and even elsewhere in the town, too).
BIFFA!!!! MOVE IT HAS A MATCH TERRAIN HEIGHT OPTION!!!
If you click on the little triangle there's an option right next to the slope/line options. Would have been a great options for the new copy-paste neighbourhoods to avoid having to flatten the hill
Love the pretty British circular mown grass on the cricket grounds! Very cute park it has become! And the new tree brush is amazing!😍
We have the viaduct nearby, its the train line that runs from London Paddington and goes into Bristol Parkway. It goes over the river Frome and apparently opened in 1902 so very much a local landmark and is definitely realistic. Spoils love to see little villages run underneath the train line if the citizens don’t complain too much about the noise!
IMPORTANT: 36:40, There's actually 2 households in that building, as it's semi-detached, you may need to update all buildings like that.
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Love the village, starting to come along very well. Have to say I wouldn't like to live in those houses where you walk out the back door onto the train tracks, houses that age would have had a back yard at least (where the loo and a chicken run or something could be put) which would now be scrappy garden unless the occupants put in a lot of effort
Has to be a universitea, the ressearch they do is ressearch in tea. That would fit the UK, as I got to know it in Brighton.
Did you stop the moon project? I assume the transportation cost for tea made it impossible.
for realism, the train triangle should be entirely raised ground. Also, several sections of track from the station should remain raised ground, too. This is because raised ground is MUCH cheaper than a bridge, to a certain height, and will be used as much as possible.
I would also add churches. The workshop has several that work as death care, which I think is perfect
If you want to make it more realistic add grey sky and perpetual rain, that's England after all 😆
Loving it, Biffa! I think you need more shops near Croydon. Just a little corner shop set up, so people could grab some milk, bread and tea bags without having to go all the way over to the Wave. And maybe a fancy café or something. 😁
For the university: i would suggest taking a modern style. Since your uk City isnt a "maincity" (like Manchester or London). Since little cities often start with villages, without a university, it was probably builded alot later. And it would be quite realistic in my oppinion.
Maybe with one or two older buildings that were supposed to be something completly different and later got converted, when the new university that started in the 70s got to small somewhere around the 90s allready. Like maybe the town built a new hospital around that time and the old one was reused as a dormitory.
I think that some of the houses in Croydon that should have 2 households because they're semi detached actually have 1 household? Quickly when you checked households I may have noticed that, but maybe I'm wrong
16:15 you should join the tower blocks to the road behind to reduce traffic stopping and starting on the main road as prime get into/out of their cars
Just a couple of suggestions - bridge over the motorway and train line to allow people to walk to the transport hubs from the terraced houses and 1930s style semi-detached properties as you seem to go from Victorian terraces to 1950s-80s estates via 1970s tower blocks and miss the ubiquitous 1930s housing.
As for the university, see which one looks most like the Russell Group of universities and see if you can do a city style university rather than a campus style university.
Where I live down the south of England, we have so many roads etc that are so steep and it’s not an issue for vehicles etc. I think having some steep roads around the city would be a nice addition. Especially like a steep hill with houses all up it, similar to where I used to live.
I live on a road that City Planner Plays would deem as unacceptably steep. That's why I am loving a UK-focused series.
When naming things after tea, don’t forget varieties like Earl Grey, chamomile, Assam, white, black, green, etc. There have been some amazing recommendations with “tea” straight in the name, but maybe we could venture out a bit? Love this series!
BIFFA! (34:38) you can, while keeping the move it selection go to the move it terrain tab, the same one where slope objects are in I think, and select alight object to the terrain. You can do this with multiple buildings and roads selected!!!
For proper Britishness, one of those tower blocks needs to be named “Nelson Mandela House” :).
Love the bus tour of the city, looks great from that perspective.
The viaduct looks amazing compared to the raised earth. There are so many talented people who create such detailed custom content for this game, it is incredible!!! 🤯
I know you mentioned eventually putting the university (universitea?) behind the wood, but maybe it should be more towards the center of town? It strikes me that the town would have grown up around the school. Although I can't say whether that's the UK model, but it seems to be a fairly common pattern in the US. Up behind the wood seems too far out of town.
I think the key difference between the US and the UK here is that in the US there are a lot of towns the same age as their universities, whereas in the UK most towns are far, far older than their universities. There are some very old university towns like Cambridge or Oxford, where the university was either the first thing on the site, or was established very early in the town's history, but there are also a large number of universities built in the 20th century that are on campuses outside the city, because there was simply no land available in the cities by that point for them. Take for example, the "oldest recorded town" in Britain: Colchester, which was established by the Romans in 43 AD, because an important trading and military hub throughout the middle ages and was a regional manufacturing centre in the 1800s, but didn't receive a university until 1961. This is a pattern you'll see across the country - there simply just used to be far fewer higher education establishments across the UK, so modern development took place outside the urban centres.
What's interesting is that in the university cities, the universities often own buildings all over town, as they expanded into whatever properties they could get their hands on over the years, even if they weren't contiguous, so they have no central campus - or at least several smaller campuses dotted around. This leads to the monikers "city" and "campus" universities. Campus universities are usually quite new, and while development around them has occurred, they are nowhere near as built up as city universities.
Love this build! Makes me miss the English countryside. From my few weeks walking the Cotswold Way (see profile), I feel like a few REALLY old stone castle ruins or towers could really elevate the realism of the country village. Also I remember so many old churches. Something that has a Norman/Saxon feel would be perfect.
A good suggestion for a university that will fit into the town is “Chirper University” on the workshop by Benetto. Absolutely love this series by the way.
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For a really traditional village, you could add a Buttercross..... Assuming such a thing exists in the steam workshop.
It would need to go at the main junction in the village
Love but also hate the tower blocks! Just like real life I guess 😂. This British build is stunning, can’t wait to watch it expand into a sprawling suburbs!
You just need a couple of “No Ball Game” signs on the grass next to the blocks of flats!
we need a place called bourton(bourbon)-on-the-water
IRL a shopping centre and industry that big would be servicing multiple towns, each bigger than the entire residential population at the start of this video. My home city (which is considered quite small) has a population of just over 210k people, but only has 3 big retail parks, and about as many industrial too. Realisticly, a town of 12k people wouldn't be enough to warrany a massive retail park at all - just a bunch of local shops in the local village centre. Things like a Co-op or a mini Sainsbury's would be the biggest retail shops.
Biffa, you may want to go around your city and look for places where tree anarchy was left on, examples include the Eggbuckland Park area, the parking lot right in front of the train station appears to have trees in the middle of it.
You could use a British, old train track viaduct with a steam train from the workshop. I play cities skylines on console so don’t know much about the steam workshop but I am British so having a very medieval feeling around Blighty-on-the-Wald would definitely suit a British style city.
Maybe add a footpath between st Giles east and the transport hub, could add an underground footpath under the motorway
That is exactly what I was thinking a way for people to walk from the city to the Transportation Hub..
A manor house would be great!
Also a blimp to tour the city.
The Victorians had no issues with building a 1km long viaduct/embankment to save 1% gradient, but there's no way that in the modern era network rail would have the budget for it, particularly for a small town in the country. So if you're going to do a viaduct it would make more sense for it to look a similar age to the terracing. That's the kind of period when small towns got rail as well - before cars.
Also the only thing in common with real Croydon is the amount of empty houses!
43:38 Because of the way you set up the roads there, that was the shortest way to get to the bus station, cause there's nowhere else to turn around
Suggestion: Add more trees to the "triangle park", behind Croydon. Because I think you said that when you built it, that it was supposed to be like a nature reserve.
If that main road running along Croyden Gardens was actually a main large, road, you wouldn't usually have houses directly on it, it would usually be a bush/tree line to give the houses some privacy, and the front of the houses would be on the other side (back of house to the main road with a thick tree/bush line), slightly separating the houses form the main road etc.
11:24 A huge wave of people leave the train station, cross the tracks, and head out into the countryside!
Also, why a duck? Why-a no chicken?
With the university/high school, the one I went to was very modern as it was very new. I think a modern one would fit the area nicely. There was also a Co-Op right next door to it and a library across the road. That would look very realistic maybe. Love the vids, Biffa
Parkway is a good end name for a place like that. A train station on the outskirts of a town with buses and plenty of parking. Upper Teahampton Parkway or just Teahampton Parkway.
Also, leaving the viaduct as the high speed one looks nice as it depicts the station as being new and added on for new development around that area.
I might be on of just a few people in the usa that Likes to watch Cricket. (Dont understand alot of it, but I like to watch it)
I like the realistic pop mod a lot, but you have to adjust buildings constantly. It is nice being able to get one building to house 1k people with an office across the street that has 800 workplaces :)
incredible, how beautiful the neighbourhoods in your cities look like. Mine tend do look the same no matter what. Guess I'll need some more practise and spend more time in detailing.
Biffa, to answer your question about what style of university for British style....I was on the workshop last night looking up Tudor buildings(there are some up there if you do ever want to do a classic tudor village like I suggested awhile ago), there is an asset up called university main campus...I think that's for a standalone university if you don't want to do a campus. The building certainly looks British. Jubilee Hall is another one. And then Faculty Building (University) kinda goes with Jubilee Hall if you want to take a look.
I'm SO glad Cities: Skylines was free one the Epic store a few weeks ago, I didn't realize how much I missed Biffa until I started playing C:S and found out that Biffa was doing videos for it and started watching him again!
For changing the elevation of things with the move it mod, there's an option in the mod settings called "set to terrain height" which doesn't have a key bind by default, but if you add one you can automatically snap things to the terrain height!
Would love to see a proper town centre for the city with a nice old council house, could also do a bit more high residential for the population demand in the city 😁
When you were following the bus for the new TH > Croydon line, maybe it had to go around the roundabout because the road in front of the Tea Hampton bus station has a median, and so it could not turn into the station while heading down the ramp. Maybe connect the road the bus terminal is on to the main road? That way busses could leave the terminal, make a left onto the main road, and then immediately enter the bus station?
You should do a larger high density area with small British flats (like 4 or 5 stories). I see a lot in my local area. I think it would look great !
Looking great! I Don't know if it would suit or if there is space, but on that hill behind the area in Croydon you worked on, would using some of your quay walls with stairs to make a stepped terrace area or two work?
38:20 Christmas Village ? Looks like 4 reindeers xD
7:15 I'm thinking you want a viaduct that looks like a aqueduct 🤔
Like those Romans one...
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You'd need an area with lots of 50+ households buildings to meet that demand I think. Might need to sprinkle 2-4 of them in each area ou expend residential into. On my street they are around the intersection (2 on each side of each street) and the rest are either one households or duplexes/triplexes (2-3 households) or a mix thereof.
Really taking shape tho, I love that build. Tho I can't wait for the huge packed downtown when the town reaches for that metropolis status later !