Why Even This Interchange NEEDS "Lane Mathematics" To Fix Traffic!
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Tons of things in the new interchange don't need to be raised. To make it looks better, you may wanna lower it.
Biffa, you should extend the metro to the business park, then connect it to that high density residential district that you built in the last episode.
Both from East Kettling and Saint Giles West where the two lines would meet with a cross.
You could lower large portions of the whirlpool interchange down. Especially the roads on the outside could be on ground level. That would be way cheaper in reality. Also the crossing highway from West Kettling could be build as one road bridge. instead of two curved ones. However, it might look less appealing. Anyway, the crossing road can also be lowered, as it just needs to go above the other motorway in the middle.
Thanks for the suggestions :-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Your welcome. Your videos are really a highlight of the day every time one comes out. Esp. As, I have way too little time to play in my own city.
Or put the metro on ground level
That thing is part of the M25. It has to be cursed.
I was hoping to see a comment about this. That's my only gripe about the default heights of the interchange is all the raised sections. Works well for plug-and-play intentions of the default, but the actual planning and budgeting would stick as much of it on the ground as possible. This will also help with the look of the skyline, the view of the new business park from the whirlpool, the sound pollution, and the potential for decoration.
Or stick the metro on the ground and deal with cursed budgeting concerns as people complain about removing the "traditional" and "historic" metro line and thus the planning commission is stuck building the whole interchange airborne to appease the complaints.
Would love to see more public transport into the business parks! and maybe even a dutch style business parks with bicycle lanes as its near the dutch style apartments!
I agree. Could definitely use a train or tram station of some kind in there to really help with the 1000s of people who would be working in there.
I was thinking a new housing area in the open area between the business park and the existing built-up area, but no road connection, only paths and PT.
I'm a sucker for Skyways, so maybe a short one into the business park?
Sometimes in business parks you get a landscaped lake / river water feature - I think yours would look pretty good with something like that.
I was thinking that when he placed those willows. They need quite a bit of water so seeing them on dry land is a bit odd.
Plopping several small lakes around town would help out the new fire helicopters too.
@@megadev9099 Esp. if uou mess them up and they cover a bit more area. ;)
Biffa: "I'm gong to build a thin buisness park by the highway."
5s later Biffa: Fills up the entire area with different buisness parks.
Noticed that too 😂 He didn't even adjust the zone
Business Parks also tend to have shopping centres nearby, at least a supermarket or two, and you also end up having car showrooms in the vicinity as well, just as ideas on how to expand it.
Restaurants & cafes for coffee and lunch
Car dealerships would fit the area well
Suggestions for the new area, and these are solid ones I think you should do:
1. The office blocks next to the motorway - GET THEM A CAR PARK!!!
2. Add a metro station, maybe two around the northern and southern points of the business park, or one around the roundabout
3. Establish a bus line around the area.
4. Add some nice commerical services like a couple of retail shops, a restaurant, and a petrol station, possibly around the road linking to the southern motorway extension you made.
i really appreciate that you always remember to include accessible parking bays. helps drive home the fact that accessibility isn't a "maybe" or "optional" or "later" type of feature, but something that should be there from the get-go
Love the UK name generator demo at the beginning - Rottingdean should be definitely academic district :-D
Personally can't see Rottingdean as an academic district, it just seems all wrong to me... Perhaps only because I know the place really well and it's just a small village on the south east coast.
@@q3b26 I think its because Dean is commonly used for a senior position in a university, such as a head of a faculty. So an old English university might have quite a few rotting Deans!
The TV studio or radio station would be great in the business park to add some flavour. Could call it BBTea (BBC) or ITeaV
Nice idea :-)
A couple of things, the motorway between the Sutton diamond and the whirlpool goes 4-3-4 lanes in very quick order, you might consider keeping this 4 all the way through. The other thing is that, in my opinion, the "welcome office" near the entrance signs should probably be on the left hand side of the road coming in, rather than on the right for the way out.
A fun detail that could make the industry look more Industrial: On roundabouts, if you ban trucks, but then fill the roundabout with a crossing road that is truck only. I've seen that here in Denmark, as a solution to long trucks and small roundabouts.
It's not good for throughput, so only for decorational purposes.
I pretty much have the same thought as last time. New business park needs some metro stations. It might be time to run a line that goes through the business park and on to the area you built last time, possibly with 1 or 2 stops on the way for new residential or even retail spaces in between. That would go a long way to solve the issue of missing people / workers as they can come in from further.
I was thinking the same. Maybe a connection to Blightea and the new residential and a perpendicular one towards the first part of the city maybe the hub or maybe near the shopping area that could later be continued towards whatever will be built on the other side of the motorway.
Such a great series! Agree with the "lower everything" intersection comments and get that business park concreted over! Looks far too pleasant 😂
Great job! There should be a fountain or pond inside the semicircle of office buildings.
6:51 Just use UNION NODES MODE in Network Multitool!
8:40 Finally, someone using Union Nodes properly. Union Nodes and Split nodes are excellent tools.
10:10 The white lines don't get drawn in properly because they are off the side of the road (or so the game thinks). Usually fiddling with Node Controller will get those to work.
15:05 The easy solution would be to just replace that pillar with one that has a gap in the middle e.g. the railway pillar.
Also quite upset that you haven't grounded that ridiculous metro viaduct yet.
Loving the vids!! I'm constantly waiting for the next one as soon as one has just been released. Keep up the great work👍
Glad you like them! Thanks Jake :-)
Realistically the through road of the interchange should be below ground level, allowing you to lower the height of the carriageways and set most of it at ground level
What do you mean "realistically"? That junction exists in exactly (or at least mostly) the way it's in the workshop.
@@kaltaron1284 Pretty sure the original is less elevated.
@@kaltaron1284 The M25/M11 Junction is far more grounded and elevated carriageways are always far less intense/obtrusive in reality than in CS version (which is designed on flat ground). My 'realistically' comment was in regards to how much the CS edition of the junction would cost in the real world, compared to if it was lowered down.
That junction is massive but so cool! I love the added metro line through it, looks really good
Loving the "skyway" walking ramps across the road at 27:19. You could totally put in a few more of them between some of the other buildings that are angled together. I'd love to hear why you chose to place the old shoe factory where you did. Putting it closer to the motorway and what you called the historic rail line that's now the metro seemed to make more sense to me. It also would have put it in the drawn-in district that didn't really get much inside of it. I don't mean to complain. This series has me hooked, and I'm just feeling highly invested. Keep up the great work!
27:40 In the hospital nearby, they have those overpasses throughout the whole campus, so each building is connected to each one on the second level. The network of overpasses and connected corridors is commonly referred to as "the sickbed autobahn".
The University of Manchester used to have them between the Maths Tower and the Computer Building and I always felt super fancy whenever I used it 😆
You find the same thing in some downtown areas, connecting several of the larger multi-use buildings especially where the winters are more serious. This helps the office workers get to the commercial buildings and to the local parking garage as well. All without having to brave the cold or ice or darkness. Or the heat if it is summer. Also great if the local sidewalks are noisy and or crowded at certain times of the day.
Think it’s been said, but one direction the motorway is going straight through and the other way it curves unnecessarily. It’s really eeking my brain haha!
Thank you for this city. Love the series so so much
I think the metro can start its decent underground, on the straight away, as it's approaching that highway junction since it goes underground after that anyway.
Great episode biffa. I'd love to see you revisit Croydon Gardens and install trams, like the real Croydon got. As someone who lives near Croydon, traveling on them is enjoyable
The elevated metro should run DLR trains too, they are available on the steam workshop, and they do stop at an Underground station too at Bank
If there there are any hill areas or close there should definetly be coal/ore area and some steel mills etc. Also at the river there could be a long boulevard with cafes, shops, night life etc.
The steel mills would be a shopping centre (or just still derelict ground) and the remnants of the mine a visitor attraction... welcome to 21st century England!
@@tigonologdring9189 I always thought The Wave was built on the site of the coal mine around which Blightea grew in the first place, hence the long rows of Victorian housing
Im sure you have more plans for the business park, but it think adding the shoe manufacturing plant from the industries DLC would add to the drama of the business park. You could pretend that the new plant put Jacks out of business and as such was converted into offices. You should also look at having a fancy anchor building in there that stands out above the rest.
Perfect! Just needs a Travelodge/Premier Inn and it's sorted 😄
Biffa I'd love to see a picture of the Bird's eye view of the map constantly growing at the end of each episode. It would make for a really cool animation of your progress!
Definitely turn Jacks into offices, to get rid of the ground pollution. And add an eating area and a corner shop or two. :D
I glad you kept those grungy buildings as industrial.
Great looking interchange! Goes to prove that even the best interchanges could use a little lane mathematics 😀
Thank you CPP! :-)
The Jack's Shoe Manufacturer buildings don't really work as offices. There's smoke coming from the chimneys, and it just generally doesn't look like an office space.
A large old factory like the shoe factory would have had its own sports area for the workers. When new owners moved and take over the factory, it would have been opened up for the local community.
or turned it into the office car park
The only problem with the Whirlpool junction is that it'll soon be recalled due to a manufacturing defect.
Best Bosch it on the head and make a proper one! 8D
Having unlocked that new tile Biffa, you could consider a narrow boat canal system
I love the old industry buildings as part of the industry park. It gives the area a sense of history.
The metro track could just go along the ground under all the roads, as at that point, they're all raised.
would also improve on Biffa's history of it being an old train track being repurposed.
Jobs for everyone!! I'm looking forward to the next episode, This city looks incredible
I think a fountain in that little semicircle area would look cool
Great Episode Biffa! You should 100& be expanding your metro network through, we saw how much it helped things and given the modern nature of the new business park and Dutch style apartments they would definitely have a public transit metro connection!
I feel like the business park would deserve a taxi hub for all these corporate meetings.
"If I get hungry or thirsty my brain goes into 'durr' mode and I don't know what's going on" massive mood SuperVinlin
The flying cars are the new Jubilee Dementia! It's the feeling of driving a cloud!
It would be really cool to make a motorway services, inspired by your lovely new overpass bridge at the business park
A motorway services next to the new section of motorway at the new junction is great idea. Many newer ones stand right next to such junctions on the edge of a business parks. Just make sure they have their own separate access point from the main business park entrance (& plenty of unnecessary parking, with no pedestrian access for added realism)
In that half circle in the office park, what about some flag poles?
CPP: *carefully placing each road and rail so they don't clip and be cheaper *
Biffa: I'm about to end this man whole career
Make sure you build a little eating area in the business park, make sure to place it in the least pretty area, and annoyingly far from the buildings. At least if you want it to be accurate. I've never seen an office park where the eating area had a nice view and a short walk... its always a good slog from most of the buildings.
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The business park needs cafes, and or a large cafeteria. Here in Germany they are called a Kantine!
In Britain they tend to have a Tesco Express and a Greggs
Hey Biffa! As always, love the content! This British build is my favourite thing to watch at the moment! I love building modded cities myself, but my computer doesn't like my big cities very much. What are the specs of your computer? Your content always looks amazing!
Look at the about section on his channel.
I noticed a few things:
- Education, you might wanna took a look at that (Check the stats)
- Trees are in the road on the highway at your new businesspark
I think you could have a pedestrian/bike connection to the end of business park road that you did not want to connect to the existing roads. That will cut down on traffic and allow shorter commute times for people living in the older part of city.
A nice water feature with a park surrounding it, perfect for office workers to take a walk in during a lunch break!
A tip for those who dont like to play with tons of mods, yet still get the road management mod.
You will lack alot of types of roads you see in Biffas videos, but you can use the lane management that he uses. So in theory, you can have a 6 lane road, that you then limited to only using 2 lanes before a junction. It looks like crap, but it works 100% as well :)
Realistically for all those office jobs each building has, even with the public transportation that’s going to be put in it doesn’t seem like there’s enough parking
Please please add a pub near the old shoe factory.
An old industrial area like that would have an old victorian pub.
Just more pubs biffa.
Maybe a whole "pubify" stint soon!
Love it though
It would also be surrounded by working-class Victorian housing, like in the St Giles areas.
Jacks Shoes Manufactore is still an industrial company with traditions and financial problems stubbornly refusing to sell its land for a construction of more offices in the Business Park that grew all aroud it in recent years
That building that had 1300+ workspaces....I used to work for Inland Revenue (don't hate me, I was young and impressionable) in a building about 1/4 of that size, and we had almost 300 employees....1300+ is not unreasonable for a office building of that size.
We should rename the Business Park to “North Teatime Business Park”
A nice touch with the business park would be since you have the factories a branch line would likely have once gone down there. It could have been abandoned after closure and serves as an opportunity for the city to repurpose it as a Metro or bring passenger traffic from the Old Market station as a local train.
A DLR like transport system in the business park could be nice.
You should try a parclo interchange going into the retail park without having to move the main road but getting the ramps more far away from the interchange
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Loving the changes today.
23:21
Just take it under the motorway to join the district on the other side. It stops local traffic from having to use the motorway.
27:35
I like that. It has that "1950's to 1970's, building that needs demolishing, but will still be used by businesses for decades" look to it. It's just a shame you can't get them with the old fashioned factory "saw tooth" roof.
Biffa, have you seen that the Intersection marking tool now allows you to place props, letting you make tree lined roads?
Not seen that, thanks :-)
Does this mean you could make the UK city even more realistic by lining all the roads with traffic cones? 😂
@@Xenon0000000000001 if you have the prop, hell yes
My advert for this was Hugo Energy. Couldn't have been more fitting.
You should add a metro station from the existing metro line near the business park. I also think you should create a new park under the interchange for the workers at the business park to enjoy
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You definatly need to add a junction like j6 on the m6 also known as spaghetti junction or should I say 'spagetTEA' junction
The exact setup at 12:06 is the optimal configuration IMO for when lanes in > lanes out, as on a UK motorway that's how they'd do it, except they'd have a chevron island between slip road lane 1 and 2, so lane 1 would completely detach first and be separated by the chevron island, and then you could diverge off the main motorway lane 1 onto slip road lane 2. I don't think those chevron islands are something we can do all that cleanly in Cities skyines however considering they're at most less than a metre wide.
With one building occupied with 1k people you'll need WAY more parking than those teeny tiny spots. I guess if its time for another Tearantula-like station in this area and I wonder how many passengers it'll get.
Looking forward to that. Also that whirly junction still needs a lot of love.
17:20 I'm sure that could've definitely been a lot more compact though. It has a huge footprint.
At some point you need to include the Magic Roundabout at Hemel Hempstead or swindon if it doesn't annoy traffic to much.
Any chance we could see some old coal mines and old mining towns in future episodes? I know rural England is known for those
Was known for these. No current deep level mines exist in any major production sector
You are really making this city look good! Keep up the good work
what i do about the lights is use "Bob" to change the lights for all roads to "park yellow light" (type yellow into search). they are much shorter but ... overpasses only need to be a hair above the light - vehicals (of normal height) won't clip through the overpass. i personally like the yellow light - makes the city look nicer, i think.
Gotta love this episode. it gives nice personality to the area when the office complexes are scattered like that and city is building around them. Great job!
one addition wish if i may: One bridge or tunnel from offices to otherside of the highway (to the metro rail) would help out avoiding future bottleneck on roundabout interchange when city gets bigger.. and ofc help add one station close to the jobs. :)
These old factories need some canals around,from the Wold, to complete the Victorian look.
Get the narrowboat pack from spark's workshop.
When you're faced with a highway with potentially a lot of exits close to each other, you might consider splitting the highway into a part with the exits and a part going straight through. That limits the amount of traffic that's affected by lane switching.
Have a look at the A2 highway in The Netherlands around Utrecht for a real-world example. It splits before it crosses the city and merges back (into 2 way 5 lanes) after.
what a pleasant watch, this episode had everything. tweaking old stuff, expanding, cool road things, decorating. very nice (:
Glad you enjoyed it!
add to the current high rise residential area!! it'll look so cool to have it built up there to now work in the business park
City looking nice. Now that you need housing you should build a shared space community.
I'm loving the build, as always! To fill up the empty spaces I'd definitely add more, huge parking lots, as the demand is there, especially with realistic population and parking mods enabled. But on top of that there's a need for a metro line or a train if possible. And another entry way, as now it's a large cul de sac with few thousand workers driving through that one small road.
Think you need a burger van for the business park haha
Every business park has one
Love this interchange!! 🤩🤩
That junction is so satisfying, good job!
You know it's going to be a great episode when you see floating cars at the beginning
Biffa, i feel like u should try to add a stadium or some sort of entertainement to your city.
I love the parking lots...love love love. Transport to the new business park is gonna be cool, too.
You should add a greggs at the business park, maybe even a McDonalds drive through and costa. Something to grab in your lunch break or for breakfast etc
Lets build an EXPO Center into this area!!!
This looks amazing ❤️
Thank you Utsob Sengupta :-)
I’ve been watching you for years and the traffic episodes are always my favorite. Keep up the great content, cheers 🙌🏼
Awesome, thank you! :-)
look at 18:35, the whole intersection is one unnecessary thing. On the left of it you have a perfect example on how to actually take care of such traffic problems😵💫
The entrance to the office park should be flipped around so that you would stop at the gate and security would be inside the building on the correct (left) side of the road.
It would be cool to see you use industry 4.0 to add in some industry to the business park.
It might take a while to have enough tiles, but I'd be interested to see how you would implement an orbital motorway - you mentioned the M25 in the opening, as Blighty-on-the-Wold expands, it may eventually need its own equivalent
A46 is an example as well
Biffa was very busy and productive, enlightining and as always fun. :) cheers.
You should add a motorway service station, most in the uk has a premier inn, McDonald’s and a shell
8:14 use the node controller!