Buyer Beware - USED 300 H&H Will It Shoot?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this episode, we see if Steve's used 300 H&H will shoot after being worked on by a gunsmith. Will this used rifle saga end in success? Find out on this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Kudos to Steve for sticking with it. His perseverance paid off and now he has a super classic rifleman's rifle. Thanks Ron for letting us come along for the journey .
I have my dad's 1937 300 H&H super grade. I love it!
That first group first made me say, “WOW” out loud. Congratulations on an awesome rifle. My grandad had two Pre-64 Model 70 Featherweights, one in 30-06 and the other in 270. They shoot 3/4” or better groups with 165 and 130 partitions. Awesome rifles!
brilliant classic rifles almost as accurate as many 400 dollar Ruger Americans shot out of the box lol
You two sound as enthusiastic as a couple of kids. Thank you for sharing!
That’s a fantastic rifle!
I have a 1948 Mod 70 in 300HH. Love it! Taken several elk and mulies
man i bet them thangs are goin for a pretty penny on the collector market! An heirloom! A treasure! Never sell!
mighty neighborly of you to keep that rifle warm for him, Ron.
The 300 H&H is such a great old cartridge it's a shame only a handful of us still go out and hunt and shoot the old gal. It is to me one of the best looking loaded rounds, as there is just something to that sleek tapered case that reminds me of a rocket ship. And as you just showed its not giving up any performance to the modern design of cartridges.
They also feed so amazingly smooth through a model 70. Something a lot of these newer sharp shoulder cartridges can’t do. I have nothing against the newer cartridges, but the old 300 H&H just has a beautiful sleek case.
That rifle is a treasure. Thank you for saving it and giving it the ‘respect’ that it deserves. 👌🏻 Great work on the restoration Steve.
My goodness, an absolute beauty of a rifle getting that kind of accuracy is amazing! I loved seeing the genuine smiles and it looked like you were both having a great time
I'm a huge 300 H&H fan. I have a M-700 Classic LE from 1963 that is still like new. The 300 H&H will match the 300 Win mag in like barrel lengths quite easily. I have owned a couple 300 Winnies and still have one of them now to compare.
What a beautiful rifle! Thanks to Steve for restoring and preserving this wonderful classic. Thanks to Ron for featuring it!
Always wanted a 300 H&H! Still want one. I’ll probably get one, one day. Definitely a hand loaders rifle if you are on a budget. Ammo makers are pretty darn proud of their ammo!
Thats the beauty of the 300 H&H. It is not finicky at all. They seem to like almost every load you feed it. Can’t say that for some of the other magnums. I think the shape of the case has something to do with it. I have 4 rifles chambered in 300 H&H and they shoot better than anything else in my safe.
I have a model 70 in 300H&H, I love that rifle. With the right load you can get a clover leaf at 100 yards
My 300 H&H will clover leaf with 180 and hand loads also
Well that settles it for me......a barrel has to be free floated for best accuracy is a myth. All pre-64 Mod 70 barrels are screwed to the stock. All you young whipper-snappers out there take notice. Great video Ron. What a treasure Steve has. Side note: the pre64 Mod 70 is not called the Rifleman's Rifle for no good reason. Closing the bolt on a 300H&H is so smooth it is almost orgasmic lol..
So happy for Steve. It was a long road to success but it paid off.
Watching from the UK, this video warms my heart ❤️ so very happy for Steve and him sorting this rifle 😊
Mornin Ron, Growing up my Uncle had a 300H&H. It was the first "Magnum" rifle I ever shot. It was such a awesome Rifle. It stuck & I wanted one!! That was over 45 years ago.. I still do not own one!! But I have a couple sets of dies and 5/6 boxes of once fired brass and a box of Starline virgin brass!!
I have let a couple pass for one reason or another. I made a hard pass on a 308Norma Mag two years ago. See I dont "need" a 300 mag. I just want a 300 H&H.
Last week a local shop got in a Rem 725 in 300 H&H. 850... No glass. I am thinking...❤❤❤
Get it😂
Good for Steve! I am glad he had a good outcome after all he went through!
That rifle is a real prize! What a tack-driver and 3,250 is very respectable. There’s no reason a big .30 won’t shoot with a bit of ammo tuning. The 300 H&H has won many long range matches in the day. The old 180gr Sierra GameKings were a great bullet for these. They’re a different profile these days. I went to Hornady 165 Interlock BTSP for my 308 Norma mag and these were fantastic performers on deer - mostly ending up under the skin on the other side with perfect expansion. True-Oil is an old favourite too. You’re fortunate to have a good wood guy and smith there! Really enjoyed this video and the respectful treatment of a beautiful vintage rifle! 👍🏻
My pre64 model 70 will clover leaf with Hornady flat base 180 grain and reloader 22 powder I adjusted the bullet 30 thousand off the lands these older models 70 don’t have the free bore like a lot of rifles have and a person can get the right amount of bullet jump with them
I have one that is still marked "300 Magnum". I am the second owner as it stayed untouched in a safe since 1962. From the serial No its year of manufacture is 1948 and it still shoots a well as the rifle tested here. Agreed awesome rifle in an awesome caliber.
My FN based Sako is marked so.
I sure am glad that he finally has a rifle he can shoot and enjoy. That was quite a journey Ron!
For some it´s just an old rifle - but for others it´s passion... I love how passionately he´s talking and explaining his rifle and all his efforts!
Gotta love a classic rifle and cartridge combo.
Nicely done guys, in my life ive been very blessed, meaning i have options to choose from. Yet my all time favorite hunting rifle is my 1961 mfg. Model 70, caliber. 300 H&H. Now i have finer, some prettier, and some more expensive pieces than that old .300, but none better. That rifle and i have come a long way together on many an adventure, its an old utterly reliable friend that i have supreme confidence in, and reverence for thereof. Jeff Cooper once opined that the rifle was the Queen of personal weapons, and that the Queen was not for sale. I could not agree more.......
Legend has it Spomer still has it! Lol
Absolutely FANTASTIC video!!
Thank you Ron and Steve!!!
Congratulations on a beautiful rifle.
I've got a 1917 Enfield in 300H&H.
I have a 1954 vintage M-70 300 H&H that shoots just like this one. That long gently tapered case designed for Cordite performs splendidly with any good slow burning powder and gets more energy per grain of powder than sharper shoulder cases. An overlooked advantage of the 300 H&H case is its single headspace point, the belt. Many newer magnum cases based on the H&H case must be carefully headspaced on both the belt and shoulder, which rarely happens. No wonder the 300 H&H is more accurate and slightly more powerful with the same amount of powder. Were we deceived by marketing hype to discard this magnificent cartridge? I think so. It’s more than nostalgia that makes me keep mine.
I also have one that was manufactured in 1952. Mine is stamped 300 magnum on the barrel. Still shoots like a dream.
Great result guys
That’s a beautiful rifle!
I LOVE the old ones. When you resurrect a piece of history it’s just special. I have a 98 Oberndorf Mauser action that I built. The action is so smooth and solid. Nothing like hand fitted parts. The Tikka is as close as you will get in a factory gun today.
NICE. Beautiful job on the stock. Of course, the 25 coats of hand rubbed finish is what did the trick for accuracy😁. Always did like Tru-Oil. Nice to see that a put together rifle can shoot so well. Tends to prove that the old craftsmen knew how to make barrels. The velocity was a bit surprising too. I think that rifle was showing its appreciation for all that labor of love. Always thought the H&H would be fun. I like older cartridges that still perform. A friend and former cokmeague told me last night he just bought a customized Sako in 300 H&H while on a trip. Having it shipped to his home FFL. He is a Sako and M70 fan.
What a project you didn't bargain for. Glad you saw it thru and glad you got an accurate load.
I’m glad to see this finally ironed out! I think both Jack O’Conner and Elmer Keith would approve.
I bought a brand new Remington model 700 Classic in .300 H&H in 1984. It had been on the self for a year. I brought it home and began my love affair with the H&H that lasts till this very day.
That is some Impressive accuracy! And those 168s are moving on out. At 3220fps, that’s over 3800 ft lbs of energy!
I realize how lucky I got when I re-did my Post-64 Model 70. Barrel had been cut down (still legal just a flame-thrower) and the stock wasn't too great. I re-chambered for 358 Norma Mag. I managed to find what I think was NOS replacement - a Safari stock in perfect condition. Lots of work - but yours looks fantastic!
Kids in a candy store. You guys are having too much fun! Fabulous video!
Thank you! I found the restoration process to be real interesting. I've done a bit of work on wood refinishing and have had a difficult time achieving the depth of color, grain clarity, and the satin, hand rubbed look of an original factory finish. Perhaps sometime you could talk about how this can be achieved. Thank you for sharing this video with us!
Ye gods, such tenacity in getting sweating the details. 25 coats???? Incredible. That rifle and the preferred middling load will take down any North American game animal that walks. Congratulations!
That rifle will never leave the gun rack….and why would someone that spent that much money on a wall hanger rifle? I wouldn’t for sure.
And I’ve got wall hanger rifles…but my Savage 111 30-06 that holds 3/4” groupings with a 3 shot group..4th snd 5th starts to open up some due to heat distortion is my go to rifle because it’s a hunting rifle….I don’t care if it gets nicked/scratched/marred/muddy/bloody/dragged or just normal hunting abuse.
If a shooter cannot hit an animal with 2-3 shots, that animal is too far out or the rifle chambering is too much to control.
Just saying…
@BusterBibb I'd bet he takes it it hunting, there's no reason not to. It doesn't have any resale value beyond being a good shooting rifle, he does his own stock work, and if you're hunting from home or a camp you drive to you can always take a stainless rifle for wet weather.
The reasons for the time, money, and effort, is nostalgia and want of a project to tinker with.
@@BusterBibb : I suspect the rifle will indeed be used on a hunt--perhaps just once, though, to make a point. But I share your philosophy; I don't do fancy. I'd be terrified of damaging a high-end piece of equipment.
Congrats! Nice restoration!
I love that sound of the cartridge pickup when loading. Classic controlled round feed. Almost as nice as cocking a 73 colt sa. Classic
WOW😯
Great work well done .
That doesn't happen very often.
Wonderful (and timeless) rifle/cartridge combination! Congrats on the project coming together, Steve.
Not much into seeing signs, but today, an opportunity came up to buy a 1959 model 70 in 300 H&H… maybe the universe is trying to tell me something.
I have my uncles m70 pre world in 300 h&h . It is mint.
It has been main hunting rifle for years. 200 gr serra bt. Will hit pie at 1000 yards.
Congratulations. I loved that first group. Made me laugh out loud with shared excitement sitting in my garage.
Not only did the rifle come it looking beautiful but it also shoots to boot. Awesome
I found that sometimes I can only shoot two groups well, because the recoil starts to become a problem. The lower recoiling loads would definitely be my choice as well
When I whisker sand a stock I soak stock and put it in oven to dry sand resoak and so on . Then I use tung oil lightly sand in between coats (note I let dry 24/36 hours before sanding) I also do same on pistol grips 😊
I don't have a model 70 but I do have model 54 270 with a Noske 3x scope. Shoots just great out to 300 yards or so!
And that’s why we love pre 64 models 70s !
Haha the end though. I would be so upset with myself! 😂
Excellent video, loved it!!
Thank you for sharing such a goergeous rifle!
Great episode! Congrats on getting that old warhorse to shoot!
Wow! Beautiful rifle, slim & trim, shoots amazingly well. Awesome video sir👍
Loved this vid, one of my favorite cartridge and rifles; I have a pre-war 338/06.
What a beautiful rifle Congratulations Steve on a America classic
The first group that was basically touching was single loaded for each round, the later groups were loaded into the magazine.
I am hypothesizing that the bullets were changing the depth they were seated from the recoil, as such a crimp is likely needed on the projectile to maintain accuracy.
@Blueberries404 ---> I think you may be onto something very correct. This is why it seems that almost every Bench Rest match shooter uses a single-shot rifle.
I wonder if the noses are getting slightly battered, and changing their aerodynamic properties just slightly enough to affect the group? And I agree with the bullet depth changing as well
She's a beauty, well done Steve!
Great rifle, thanks
Well that settles it for me......a barrel has to be free floated for best accuracy is a myth. All pre-64 Mod 70 barrels are screwed to the stock. All you young whipper-snappers out there take notice. Great video Ron. What a treasure Steve has. Side note: the pre64 Mod 70 is not called the Rifleman's Rifle for no good reason. I've got a custom Swedish M96 in 6.5x55 that will do that and the date on the receiver is 1912.
Were you able to get some of your money back from the original seller? If this had happened to someone like me where I would be completely unable to solve the issue it would be a complete nightmare situation. Glad you were able to get it up and running.
Thank you for a very interesting video Ron exclamation point
Awesome! I'm about to shoot my Remington 7mm Mag tomorrow, that I bought new in 1986. I have never shot that rifle, so this will be a special outing for me. It's like having a new virgin bride!
I have a newer Winchester model 70 in .300 H&H. It likes the Barnes 180 gr. TSX bullets with H4831sc. I'm going to try the 168 gr. Next. There is no way the statement he made can be true with the info I have. Barnes #4 Manual and the current Barnes website. Maybe he knows something I don't. Gorgeous rifle and great video! Please do more range shooting videos like this with chronograph. I really enjoy them.
Really nice 👍
Have had three of them best I’ve ever fired they did a good job. Thanks to H&H made the magnums .
My 300H&H is tc encore by Fox River Outfitters, if I do my part it will one hole at 100 meters. I love this caliber and do handload for it.
that first three-shot group is super-impressive.
seems like he ought to load & fire a couple dozen more to verify load's accuracy / precision to a high statistical level of confidence.
Wow! Awesome rifle. A very enjoyable video.
very impressive first group , i'm sighting in a new combination tomorrow , a go wild ruger 6.5 cm and a bushnell 3x12 x40 AR drop zone for 6.5
How quickly did he shoot those groups? If there wasn't enough time for the barrel to cool between strings your first will always be the best especially with a caliber that runs hots.
altitude and temp has significant effects on downrange velocity bleed off as the bullet arcs, so the faster MVs. Interested to know what powder he's loading. Retumbo or H1000 would be my goto, but H1000 is near impossible to find.
I never heard mention what the barrel twist rate was. That of course affects how heavy a bullet that can be used. 1:10 is the modern standard, but a 1930's barrel-ballistic design probably slower. Moose or grizz would want a heavy bullet for penetration.
Good video overall, and that was a nice demo of how going for MV on handloads can be detrimental to precision (shot to shot dispersion as barrel harmonics change under higher impulse bore pressures).
Best one made and it hits hard wow
This is the coolest stuff I `ever seen! . Men of my following.
Great Show.
Good looking rifle, good groups and now I want one.
I still take that old model 70 any day over what's coming off the line today.
Another Great Video Ron 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Thanks for the follow up, most youtubers dont do that. Thanks
That was amazing.
I have a question.
I just got an old, Remington 700 in 270.
I have a 12in length of pull.
When i set the scope up i can't see through it.
I read to measure from the trigger back on the stock 5 and a half inches, and that is where you put your nose.
But i can't get my nose that close, it's so uncomfortable.
So what i did was move the scope back, and the eye retical is on the 5 and a half inch mark, now when i bring it up, i can see through the scope just fine.
My question is, will this hurt anything? I've never seen a scope back this much.
As long as your bolt isn't restricted and your empties eject the way they're supposed to it'll be fine.
Headspace on a belted Magnum is relative. It took me ruining a bunch of cases to figure out that you need to headspace off of the shoulder instead of the belt for case life and accuracy.
as soon as i saw the second shot i yelled "HOT DAMN" out loud.
Great video! Your buddy said he was not at maximum loading using the 168 gr. Barnes. I'm assuming the bullet had to be a TTSX or TSX. With the velocity he was getting, I'm wondering if he was looking at load data for the 150 gr. Bullets????
Old Iron is hard to beat.
He had some coffee then forgot his rifle. Just between us, Ron, what did you put in his coffee?😵💫😏
That has my attention pretty impressive! A real shooter for sure! 👍🦌
Great video!
I got a 7mm browning a bolt I got to figure out. I'll take twice that group and be good.
Beautiful rifle
That stock with the negative comb looks worse than the butt stock spacers on the monte carlo
Your right the Monte Carlo stock with spacers is STRAIGHT mitigating cheek slap. Remove the spacers epoxy similar colored wood reinstall recoil pad and stain the stock.
I wish you could still get that Remington and Peterson 300 h&h brass !
Oh, you bad boy.
Seriously, I think this demonstrates why today's hand finished firearms are so expensive.
my gracious goodness yall still wearin jackets and plus snow on the ground in May? I mean, I sorta knew it was like that up there because I went on a vacation in Wyoming and Idaho a long time ago, but also way down here on the Texas coast man we have been having plus 90 degree days with 70 percent humidity for like, 2 weeks! Already feels August!
Nice 3 video series! Is there any way to estimate how much money he had into the project? The rifle, the new stock and recoil pad, the used barrel and gunsmith time to produce this rifle?
My 300 H&H 1955 made one will clover leaf a flat base 180 hornady spire points just like he did with the 168
I recommend Roger Rules book for details on model 70s