Can a Lever Action Best 3 Bolt Actions? NO WAY!?
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- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In today's 30-06 Week installment, we have a shoot-off and pit the best rifles in the bunch against each other. Who is the overall winner? Find out on this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors.
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One optic I dont know much about.
I have a bolt ,lever and a pump would like to see the 7600 rem in action
I really like my Maven 2.5-10×39 compact. Right around 12.5" and I believe under 13 oz with a great view through the glass.
Carbine, not near as accurate as the 760
I don't own any Maven's but big thanks to them for helping make this video possible!
Ron, you have finally impressed me. You finally have a show exclusively for America’s cartridge 30.06! God bless you, my brother from another mother.
@@FranzAntonMesmer the finest cartridge ever made.
Superb cartridge!! I've taken a LOT of game from around the world with mine - a Ruger M77 (tang safety). Wildebeeste, kudu, impala, warthog, camels, goats, 100-pt water buffalo - and even sharks - have all been taken efficiently with my rifle. It just goes to prove what Ron said: "It's hard to beat that .30/06!!"
🥰👍
7 pound trigger. Barrel band. Lever action. Best groups. LMAO. And love it. Loved this whole week Ron. Thanks so much
And a take down rifle to boot!
I have 3 BLRs, (2 short actions and 1 300 WM long action,) and every one of them shoot great.
@@George-tz1cvOne MOA or better?
@@George-tz1cv I've been searching for one in 30-06 for a few months - tough to find the BLR Stainless '81 Takedown in Canada. No ETA, just "out of stock". I checked for other calibres too, no dice. I had no idea what the BLR would be like with even 30-06, so with a 300WM, that thing must buck like a bronco!
I've got one of the regular BLR 81 models (not takedown) in 325wsm and I've stacked shots in the same hole with it using 200gr barnes handloads. They're surprisingly great shooting guns
Ron, I don’t think that many rifles shoot that poorly. I also know you are a pretty decent marksman.
I question those Maven scopes.
I have maven they shoot great. Japanese scopes. One he didn’t make sure thread protectors were tight. Also I have learned to put a level on my scopes. Reduce all variances in my shooting.
Browning BLR's are great! Are you sure its not a scope issue?
All of the rifles you have there are more than capable of shooting MOA and you're cranking on the dials getting vast shifts in zero. It's the scopes, I guess it's better to say nothing than to say what I'm thinking. Great content though Ron, we appreciate you always.
Seemed like the groups got worse as the video progressed, so if they used the same scope on all of the rifles, that would make sense to me that it's an issue with the scope.
@@Del_licious There was more than 1 scope ,I believe 2 to 4..
Still a good bit of ware n tear on changing out,recentering,re-entering, zeroing..
Definitely the scopes
No doubt
Maven internals for elevation and windage and also reticle stability are cheaply
Made.I just watched a sako quest in 300 win mag shoot a .36 group with a,Steiner scope on it and sako ammo. Optics you get what you pay for. Maven is way down there. To use Talley rings with a good rifle and a junky scope is border line criminally ridiculous and Ron ought to know better.
@@jim99west46nothing wrong with talley rings. The scopes tho, ive never heard of maven so im betting theyre not that great.
That makes me happy that I bought a 1950 vintage JC Higgins ( Mauser98 made by FN ) that will shoot sub MOA with 130 grain TSX and 180 Nosler partition. I got that rifle as a never fired safe queen for 300 bucks Paid more for the scope and bases than I did for the rifle ... long live the good old 06
What a treasure !!
@@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico I wanted it for the action to build a 6.5 - 06 Ai on it but then made the " mistake " to shoot the donor rifle
The two bullets I was thinking of hand loading are the 130 grain Barnes and the 165 gr. Not likely to go elk hunting so either wanted to handle any deer in this neck of the woods
@@finniganshomestead2956 that mistake was sacred destiny!
@@finniganshomestead2956 did you name your special rifle? I give mine some cool and sometimes NSFW names
Time to try some different scopes.
That was painful. I would love to see this re-done with a different scope.
You know,I don't really think this series has really shown how bad the rifles shoot,I think it shows more about the factory loadings being harder to shoot,or find one that does.I have been playing with 06 rifles for over forty years now,and always had an easy time of finding good handloads for them.The factories have a lot working against them to produce high quality ammo for the 06.I have never found a factory load to shoot like I want it to,some fairly acceptable,but never great.Good series,enjoyed it,keep up the good work. P.S.,I feel like everyone of these rifles are good shooters,and with just a little experimenting you could easily find a good load for them,in whatever weight,with handloads.
One thing Ron should keep in mind is his grip on the guns. Seems like some groups he is real loose on the first and second shots but then he tightens up on the third. I think this contributes to some of the kickers. Overall great vid and loved this week I’m a 3006 guy myself.
Instant thumbs up for the Ron's 30-06 Can-Can 😘
Watching from Tasmania Australia, just bought my first 30-06 it's a single shot Baikal. My motto is you shouldn't need two shots.
Until you do 😉
@@raoulsilaghi2504 won't lie and say it hasn't happened but always been quick enough to follow up still with the single shot.
@@abwdagreat Good for you then. I'm hunting in Burgundy, France and the environment doesn't permits always a good single shot.
I won't take the shot if I think I'll need a second.
I had a ruger no 1 in 416 rem mag really liked that rifle, but as soon as I finally found a Winchester m70 safari in same caliber I had to get it. Took me forever to finally track down that model 70 during covid. Really love the ruger no 1’s, but I still prefer bolt actions. I do a lot of jump shooting whitetails walking cutovers and a single shot is not that great for that 😂
Not that I know anything after 60+ years reloading hunting and collecting rifles but I think it’s the ammo or the scope or mounts causing the problem from what I have seen from sighting in hundreds of guns😳
Hi Ron. Like I mentioned in another video comments, I've been shooting 30-06 rifles for 53 years. I have never had groups that large ever. Since most of the rifles you used shot poorly I don't think it's the rifles. The common denominator for each rifle is the scope. My new Winchester model 70 Super Grade 30-06 shoots less than 1 MOA. Usually 0.5 inch groups. Then again I hand load specifically for both my 30-06 rifles. The other being a 1972 Remington 700 BDL that still shoots 0.5 inch groups. I would try a different make scope to see what happens. Good luck.
Leupold or Ziess for about the same money
My current .30-06 is a tang safety Ruger 77 I bought new in 1981. It had disappointing accuracy initially with factory loads but I found a handload that makes it shoot like a target rifle; 150gr Nosler BT and IMR 4064. With this load it will shoot consistent sub MOA. Also I did make one modification, floating the barrel.
It's time for the 270 win. 🤠
I love the 30/06, but the 270 win has always been the perfect whitetail cartridge to me.
Ron, keep this up with different cartridges. I think your doing something different than mainstream and I like it.
Miroku makes some nice rifles. The BLR as an example.
As per my previous comments , I would take a serious look at the quality of the scopes and check the bases and are the thread caps for a suppressor tight.
Ron, I still love my Remington 700. And it's a shooter @ one up to one and a quarter moa. Even better with hand loads.
The Remington 700 cdl is one of my favorites, hard to wrong with any 700
Thanks Ron and friends been a fantastic week watching this 3006 shoot off
My guess is the scopes are the problem. I have 270, 30:06, 308, and 7mm REM Mag that all shoot sub MOA. Rings and mounts all have their inherent problems. There is now the possibility that enough premium ammunition may not be used to find one that the rifle prefers due to its cost. As you are aware the other variables affecting accuracy are too numerous to list. I also own in addition to those you tested, pump, semi automatic, and falling block rifles that are capable of greater accuracy than I can any longer achieve. If you’re just testing the rifle accuracy and not interested in ergonomics etc. then fire your groups from a led sled or other type of Vice. If you’re concerned with the guns suitability for hunting you need to try it from realistic shooting positions and not from a bench, after you have handled the rifle enough to be at least familiar and comfortable with it. All this is, of course, time intensive not to mention the expense of ammunition. It also helps to know competent gunsmiths who specialize in the firearms concerned. Sometimes a small tweak can have disproportionate benefits. Other times no amount of effort will create a cost effective solution. If you want to play then you have to roll the dice. My best advice is to place quality as your first priority within your fiscal limitations. Mine are fairly modest.
Having a hard time thinking all these rifles shoot this poorly. Many of these tests weren't groups at all with wild flyers. While not a big fan of sleds, for this test, it would help establish a better baseline. Properly torqued action screws, and a free float check would also erase some questions.
We're the barrels cleaned? Too many questions without knowing if we have an even starting point. Just my .02c
I am shocked at how poorly these rifles have shot. When I bought my Tikka T3X and was breaking it in, it shot a 9/16” group with Whitetail ammo! I’ve since gone to hand loading and have done a bit better with .05” groups with both 124gr and 168gr Hammer Hunters. I highly doubt each of those rifles shoot that poorly there is something else going on. If that had been me, I’d have put one of my personal scopes on one of those rifles to see if that was the problem. This is not a great example how accurate the 30-06 really is.
💯% agree 👍🏻
My Remington 7400 I bought in 1982. Shoot a lot better than all those put together
You two make a great couple on screen. Thanks for another great vid Ron!
Appreciate an honest and open model for testing. Enjoyed the series
Love the BLR
Agreed!!!
Thank you, Ron! I've really enjoyed your videos this week on the 30.06! I have one in the Remington 700 ADL model. My favorite hunting rifle for elk.
Keep up the good work! God bless.
7:25 always fun when you get the right angle and see the round down range before it hits the target
I have a sporterized Springfield 03A3 with the military barrel. I purchased some factory Remington CoreLokt 125 grain that shoot a .60 group.
Thanks for the 30-06 videos! I thoroughly enjoyed them.
I have seen, in my 62 years of life, the 30-06 shoot much better than the ones shown here.
My uncle had a Remington model 788 in 30-30 that would almost constantly shoot sub MOA with whatever you threw down the barrel. Interesting stuff!!
Wow! A Model 788 in 30-30! That's a rare find. I have a 222 and 22-250 and both are super accurate. Incredibly good rifles.
@@moa.333 I would love a 788 in 22-250.
Love the safety shown in this series
After finding a loose screw in a rail. I would start with screw tension and optics. I have 4 30-06 rifles, and they can be a bit finicky with ammo. I don't own a single rifle that shoots Remington or Hornady ammunition well.
Get the garmin chrono u won’t regret it . Hard to get good groups with most factory stuff as u know . I love my 30-06 model 70 SS feather light shoots tight groups
If I remember correctly the online reviews of all of the Christianson Rifle the have quality issues and do not shoot very well. Backfire channel had said the same.
Just a over priced 700 clone action😳😢
I have a 308 Ridgeline and it’s a tack driver! Guess I got lucky.
I have a cheap Remington 78. I put a cheap Remington plastic stock on it many many years ago. The best factory load is the Barnes 150 TTSX into .47” at the 100 meter range. Hornady 165 SST factory loads into .75”. Hand loads ranging from 130 Barnes TTSX to Nosler 200 Partition are all under 1.0” at the 100 meter range.
I too like to shoot only 3 shots at a time, then on multiple days with different atmospheric conditions testing again. So far I have taken a lot of game in my 76 years and very rarely has it taken more than the first shot out of a cold barrel. In all honesty on tougher game such as elk, I keep shooting until they are down and dead. Mainly in respect for the animal.
Thanks for your interesting shows. I hope I never get too old to learn something new, or be reminded of something I have forgotten. LOL!
I would really be interested to measure those barrels dia. land and grove, before send them off, and pulling the bullets and measuring them , see if one or both are out of speck. Thank you both really enjoy these series of the various gun makers out there. Great Show.
looking at these groups is brutal. my buddy has a maven scope on a 5k gun that wouldn't shoot. put a nightforce on and it got really tight
Ok I have two Howa 1500 30-06s with factory 22" barrels....I handload for both....one is in a aluminum chassis, the other is in a carbon fiber m40 type stock....I average 3/4 moa with both, and lately have been around 1/4 to 3/8s if I do my part.... You're right Ron it is about the quality of the components..... how well the cartridge fits the chamber etc.
Cool 😎 , I own a BLR in .30-06
Loved that blr and the savage!
Ruger Hawkeye 30-06 stainless barrel 22” is extremely accurate and so is the Ruger American.
The Westherby uses Howa barrels and it’s up there in accuracy.
I have a bergara b 14 hunter in 30-06 and did have moa at 100 yards. But I did have to clean it first to get there I used 150g Sako gamehead
Love the 30-06, I can say I've owned two different models of the 30-06 one was a Ruger model 77 featherweight I think that's what they called it back in early 2000. But now I own a Savage Axis in 30-06 it has a synthetic stock free floating barrel pretty good trigger out of the box and I'm averaging under 2 inches at 100 yards with 150 grain bullet in my book that's good enough to take white tail.
Oh by the way the scope is a 4-12x44 vortex
Ron thank you for all the knowledge and videos you have given us. I look forward to the and appreciate all you do!!!!
BLR in 30-06 is fantastic
Next you guys need to do a classic open sight lever action accuracy test. .357 mag, the all time classic winner the .45 Colt and the .44 magnum. Test the Winchester, Henry, Rossi and some of the high end guns like Bighorn Armory and others 😁.
I have a model 700 rem older model that is all I need keep up with the good videos lm from Pennsylvania
Wish the Browing BAR was included, it shot just as good as these and a lot of guys don't want a bolt action. The Browning jammed but that just means it's functioning the same as a regular bolt action lol.
Got that same Savage rifle for less than $500 awhile back. Cant beat that for a 110.
Really inconsistent groupings. Yes the 30-06 has been around a long time and I can believe that the chamber dimensions are more sloppy than a modern PRC or other such chamber. But one of the most accurate rifles I own and have ever shot is a Sauer 202 in 30-06. It’s got a fairly light sporter weight barrel but consistently shoots right around a half inch at 100 yards with good factory ammo. So a 30-06 is certainly capable of very good accuracy. None of these rifles shot very well considering what some of them cost and the fact that they are are all current manufactured. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Hes shooting upwards all that muzzle rise is definitely not helpful
I think the scopes are the issue not the rifles.
@christianzale505 it can't be the rifles i only ever had one gun (out of 15 or so) that shot consistently worse than 1.5 moa and i traded it away
Now given thats with handloads but still most factory ammo i can keep at about 1.25 moa average
As soon as Ron chuckled at the end, I knew it was the Browning lever action that shot the best group! Loved 30-06 week and love the 30-06! That M1 Garand with open sights to what, 500 yards? Really impressed me too.
Great exercise. The foot of your gun rest tripod nearest you was raised on the 2nd Rifle Savage 's last shot. That could be what let the rifle down?
The way that Christensen Arms rifle was acting, I'm not surprised. I've had a couple friends who have bought their products, then returned or got rid of them, real fast. Not to mention, the action on that gun seemed incredibly stiff, gritty and just plain rough out of all those other guns. Not acceptable from a company that charges so much for their products. Other than that, great video. Love the 30-06!! My Remington 700 CDL shoots a majority of ammo, MOA or better. I love it!
I have a Whetherby Vanguard in 30-06, I love that rifle!
Same here. 💯
Something is wrong. Maybe scope is not up to handling the recoil, maybe try another shooter with same setup and same ammo and compare those results. Then try another scope/mount combo. All these should be around 1-2 MOA with most loads.
That was fun to watch. I think the scope reticle came loose. I would like to see another attempt with a different brand of scope and I think your results could be much better.
My buddy bought a carbon fiber barrel rifle in 300wsm. It had great accuracy until the third shot. Once that thin steel barrel sleeve would heat up, you had no idea where the rest of the shots were going. To compound problems, the carbon fiber seemed to act like a thermal insulator. This made waiting for the barrel to cool down a huge time suck at the range.
I’ve tried 4 different Christensen Carbon barrel Rifles and sold every one of them. They are they were all heat sensitive. Two good shots and then it was over. I e seen it at the range with other people. I agree that rifle has something wrong with it but that rifle is their normal.
I’ll go for the BLR, what’s not to like!?!
On the Christianson arms riffle... I really wanted you to check if that muzzle break was nice and snug... Anyway like I said before my Sako 3006 shoots a sub MOA consistently... even a 1/2 MOA consistently. But I hand reload... I have noticed something that might be worth thinking about... my 180gr reloads travel at 2450fps, more towards the 308 speeds. The factory loads seem to travel in the 2600 - 2700 range.
Well, maybe it is too slow. I have reloads with 180 grain bullets and H4350 powder that shoot 2850 range and they shoot a under MOA. I have 165 grain bullets with H4350, which is going 2965 average and is the top bullet with 3/4 inch groups.
270 Week coming up next?
The Hornady 165 gr. is very consistent for me. Not new, but reliable. Used a lot of Remington Core-Lokt 150 gr. and 180 gr. as well. Love the Beatles paraphrase! That Howa seems to have a lot of recoil. Great shoot off guys!
Well browning is in my opinion one of the best manufacturers for a bolt action rifle and there lever actions in bottle neck cartridge. And if you can get lucky and send the BLR to a gun Smith like I did and now got a 4 pound trigger instead of 7.5 pounds trigger makes a huge difference.
Tika or Sako would smoke those rifles. Sorry but I’m not impressed with those rifles. I like that BLR the best out of the bunch. I just would rather have that .660 group with the 165s instead of the 180s. Great video Ron.
Great job Ron ! I have a pre 64 mod 70 featherweight that shoots moa with barns ttsx . Have yet to have anything complaints from anything I've shot. Love your segments!
First let me say thanks to both of you for your painstaking work you put in on the 06 this week. I am jumping for joy. I own two of those BLR’s. Folks seem to poo poo on the BLR’s. I have two, a 308 and a 270. I feel vindicated. The trigger is crap on both of them as you measured. However, just like any rifle, you have to make them your own and/or get used to them. Once again thanks for all the hard work. Loved your 308 week as well.
Like that Browning lever action. Sweet looking rifle. Good in the woods or back country. Very maneuverable in any hunting situation
I'm not an amazing shooter, but I have a CVA Cascade in 30-06, and I can keep it within 2 inches at 100 yards kneeling off hand if I do my part. 🤷♂️
Have had a bunch of .30 caliber rifles. Have never had one that shot light (150 gr ) accurately. 308 win, 30-06, 300 mags, all liked 165-180 gr.. 300 Win Mag loved 200 gr Remington Premier. Had a 308 BLR that would get 3/4 inch with Federal Premium 165's, 2" with 150's.
The 30-06 made by real men and blessed by the good Lord. God knows how much I love mine. And everyone I know compares everything to the 30-06
Looks to me it's scope problems. Torques? I'll take the blr and the 180's.
Well I've shot several 3006 in my life. The Remington 700 shot MOA out of the box. Dad's old Savage 110 I had to do a trigger job cause hard trigger pull and had to float the barrel to get MOA. The Remington 742 semiauto shot about a inch to a 2 inch group.
So .308 is more accurate, and 165s in both go about the same speed, at least according to Nosler. Haha Ron’s .308 hating seems like it will fade away.
180 is all I use in my 30-06!
I’m about to switch back to 180, never had a deer run off, drop like a sack of potatoes
Bingo 🎯 👍🏻
What about the sako s20 30-06 Springfield
Hello, Ron
Loved this episode on the BLR. I’ve always liked this rifle, but just haven’t really been that interested. However, this podcast might have changed my mind, particularly for hunting in bear country. The following is a record of my thoughts on this activity.
When I was very young one of the first bear attack stories I read about involved a lone elk hunter. He was charged by a grizzly with her near grown cubs.
He got one shot off with his .338 (it missed) before they got to him and killed him.
A few years ago, an Alberta sheep hunter was killed in nearly the same situation.
I’ve heard that this is a scenario that repeats.
I do a little bit of hunting every year but most of my shooting is competitive. My main focus is IPSC, and I’ve had some local success over the last 40 years which has tapered off with age. I bring this up because speed is a necessary factor in success in this sport, and to do well you have to put together and master multiple individual movements that each may save you 1/10, 2/10, maybe even a quarter or half a second per stage. On a long stage, including transitions, 4 to 5 seconds total are possible. Combine this with reasonably good reflexes and a good grip , good trigger control, and good equipment, and you will be successful in that sport.
From my perspective, which focuses on speed, power, and accuracy, there is a serious lack of appropriate rifles for hunting in grizzly bear country. The only real close range stopping rifle that is available is the Marlin and now the Henry in 45-70,(with a nod to the .444, and .450 Marlin)
which with the enhanced Buffalo Bore factory ammo, achieve near low end .458 Win Mag power. These are reportedly absolutely capable.
I know for a fact that a lever at close range can be operated by a young teenager with near unbelievable slickness and speed even without high power practice, especially when fuelled by a five yard encounter with a 600+lb black bear.
Accuracy matters, time matters, and power matters. Most rifles will do the job if loaded with monolithic bullets, but I believe actual confidence (for grizzlies and for me) starts with the .338WM, and climbs with bore diameter….until it’s too big for the individual to handle with speed.
The problem with the big bore lever guns is obviously range. If I’m not in grizzly country, (never, up till now) my preferred cartridge is the .270 in a semi, and a .338WM for elk. This gives me the range I need, which can be 200 yards more than the lever cartridges.
If I was hunting in grizzly country, what I would like is a lightened Browning BAR sporting rifle in 338WM with a brake or suppressor. Or a Remington semi in 35 Whelen, with a confidence inspiring 4+1 mag cap. I don’t have any current desire to hunt
grizzlies or black bears, but I’d be carrying some comfort in my hands. I don’t believe Browning builds these anymore, and never built them on the alloy action. And Remington quit building their auto.
But a great solution would be a BLR in 35 Whelen with a brake or suppressor. It seems likely that it could be a lighter option than the semi. It would give me my range, confidence and 4+1 mag cap. And above all, very little sacrifice in speed. Of course, neither rifle action was ever built by Browning the way I’ve described. They came close with the BAR with BOSS brake, but it is too heavy for doing much vertical.
There are lightweight bolt guns around properly equipped and calibered, and much easier to carry in vertical country or the thick stuff. But for me, they take a lot of initial hard work to learn to operate fast, and then continuous practice to maintain that skill and I doubt if I could get to the level that Ron Spomer has demonstrated in his podcasts. Or those Wild Boar Fever guys in Europe. Note that the young teenager had no practice with the lever action until he emptied a full magazine in a couple of heartbeats.
Also worth consideration is the Remington pump gun in 35 Whelen. It’s a bit heavy, but with a brake or suppressor, and plating or coating, it has reportedly worked well. And it’s 4+1 capacity. And of course out of production.
All of these options would be better with a light scope, and the Leupold VariX3’s are usually 6-8 ounces less than any others.
And many mountain hunters say that ounces feel like lbs. in vertical terrain.
There’s a qualifier when discussing the semi auto’s mentioned. Some individual representatives will never do better than 2” at 100. I’m not happy about it but have used them at this level quite successfully for 35 years. Still not happy….who would be?
So, to summarize, other than bolt guns, which are obviously adequate, even if they don’t particularly agree with me, there are no appropriate dangerous game rifles currently available in North America that really make (my) grade. Maybe I’m not alone.
I suspect the real problem is like Sandy Munro says, most of the OEM’s have been taken over by Harvard business types, they have lost the capability to manufacture, have moved it offshore, have no engineering ability, and wouldn’t know a good idea if they saw one. And if someone inside proposed anything, they would have to run it by a consultant. Why? Reread the paragraph.
Alex Carp has said that “if an intelligent person makes a mistake, he learns from it, and carries on. Everyone else becomes an advisor! “ (Or consultant, in my opinion)
Ill keep hunting with my Tikka after watching this.
Thanks for putting in the work so we dont have to.
Good to see someone that doesn’t discount this great cartridge. I have a Tikka T3X roughtech with ember stock in 30-06. At 100 yards I get 1/2” groups with Barnes Vortx 150gr and Hornady outfitter 180gr. I get 2-3 inch groups at 100 yards shooting offhand.
Yall should try some federal and remington core locked tipped
I love that I'm not the only one who fumbles with the mag release on a Savage
Hello Ron.I have a savage axis with remington core 165 tipped 1 moa,nosler was tighter but would not ejecked
From France ! 🇫🇷
Crazy my old savage Axis in 6.5cm put most factory ammo in sub moa but the bases would always come loose and I would have to take my scope off just to tighten it back up I got sick of doing that so I sold it and got Ruger 7mm-08
What is up guys my xpr shoots sub moa at 100 yards . That is with a 124gr hammer hunter all the way up to a 178 ELDX. I have never seen such bad groups out of 30-06.
You could have got a browning x bolt 2 and tried it . That’s is a fine rifle for the cost.
My XPR 3006 shoots as good, but I have to look from time to time that the actionscrews don't come loose.
I took a BLR just like yours to Africa an came back with 7 antelope. My scope was a 2.5 power Leupold scout scope.
Ron , I think your shoulder has taken a pounding from all the testing . That may be part of the issue.
My Remington 700 ADL will shoot MOA with several factory loads. Winchester Power Points in 150 grain, Federal Premium Accubond and the Winchester Supreme Accubond CT in 180 grain all shot great out of my rifle. The discontinued Winchester XP3 also shot really well in 180 grain. I can't believe all these rifles didn't shoot very well.
Let's see how the .270 does :)
Also, accuracy issues could be the action screw torque specs are off. I have bought rifles where those screws weren't even torqued self imposed factory specs.
What is your take on the pump action 30-06 rifles
By the time he went to the third rifle he was getting tired. It was not the ammo or the rifle that was causing the larger groups :)
Love these cartridge series.
I have and have had many rifles chambered in 30-06 and have never seen such awful accuracy. I know you can shoot Ron so it’s not a knock on you.
Wondering if there are scope/ring issues.
My Savage 116 FCSS will definitely shoot sub MOA with the right ammo of course. The lightweight barrel hinders shooting a lot though. I always wanted a heavier barrel for it but it shoots so nice for the first 5 or 6 shots I just can't do it. It's a hunting rifle, not a target rifle.
On that last rifle when you were going right you said you dialed it right when you adjusted, might be part of the issue.
Those are some beautiful rifles, but terrible groups. Not sure what went wrong, but something was definitely wrong. I still enjoyed the show. Keep singing and dancing!
Love the 3006 but the groups in these videos would make a statue cry.
That is where good old-fashioned handloading might or might not improve things
Terrance and Philip hit the range intro😂 great comparison
As a proud owner of the BLR 30-06!for years, I can honestly say it is the most accurate rifle I own. I ignorantly sold my pre64 Winchester 70 in 270rem when I switched to 30-06. I used to ring an 8” steel plate at 1000yds 6 in 10 shots… haven’t hit it with a 30-06 in 15 years. Maybe if a 70 in 30-06 comes around I can hit it again, but my eyes are also aged a decade and a half.
Also own BAR 30-06 and it runs groups of 1-1/2”… close to what I get from the lever. I also own a BAR 308 and BL 308… 308 is not my favorite round in either platform. Maybe again back to a Model 70?