5:33 Ron, I can tell you why it has a radial shoulder. In mechanical engineering, I learned not long after I started learning you get *VASTLY* more strength to it. The same applies to the barrel and such, too. Not just the brass. A right angle is a weak spot, rounded is better. That is why half tangs on knives are also supposed to be rounded too, so they don't snap at the juncture.
At 24 minutes you discuss the 275 Rigby. Back at the end of the 80s I was in Litts Gunshop and a guy was purchasing a rather nice Rigby 275 with a Zeiss scope. Unfortunately his Firearm Certificate (UK regulations!) stated he could buy a 7 x 57 so the boss wouldn't sell it to him! The sales person (far more knowledgeable) went out the back and brought back a box of genuine Rigby ammo. Result? The rifle was marked 275 Rigby, the ammo box was marked 276 Ridby and the cartridges in the Rigby box were were Winchester 7 x 57. Go figure!
Now that I got my first gun (a Marlin 336A) i’m Hooked on lever guns and am trying to find a cheap Browning BLR that has the style of the lever gun and the accuracy and range of a bolt action, I think a 30-06 will work that way I can hunt moose and elk without getting closer than 75-50 yards with my 30-30, especially with a moose
When you mentioned locking lugs in the back versus in the front not being that important, it made me think of Paul Harrell's statement, "In real-world applications, there is not enough difference to make a difference." That statement applies to most situations. The times it doesn't apply is competition shooting or law enforcement, where accuracy can be very important.
I have a Marlin 444S that, with handloads, will shoot true cloverleafs at 100 yards off sticks. I have a Marlin 1895 JM in 45-70 that, with handloads, will shoot .6 CTC three shot groups at 100 yards. But every bolt action I own, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Browning, Interarms, CZ etc, will outshoot my Marlins. Bolt actions are simply more accurate/consistent for a multitude of reasons. Higher BC bullets. Faster lock times.
Ron, I feel the need to share my recent pawn shop adventure i had with a couple of my buddies. I was looking for a 30-06 light weight rifle with scope because the rifle I've been using is a 1917 rifle un sportarized that was issued to my great grandfather in-between the wars they were phasing out the rife in favor of the m1 garand so they let him keep it. My grandpa passed it to me few years ago wich is really cool and I've taken it elk hunting a few times and its really cool to have but it's heavy and long, and I'd hate to take it out and have something happen to and have it get ruined. So I went pawn shopping and I found a ruger american chambered in 30-06 with a vortex scope for $400 I was able barter them down $340 and I bought it.
Ron my brother. I have never through the years gave called you an idiot. But I will STILL stand by my .30-06. I am a) comfortable with it . b) love my rifle. c) am just to damn cheep at my age to start over with some of these new calibers ... lol. Naww for real with the wide range bullet weights for such a wide range of game i am satisfied with what I have. Tell the wife hey and both of you be Blessed.
The 307 Win runs at the same chamber pressures as the 308, but drop gets pretty bad much beyond 200 yards. Winchester still makes 307 ammo with a 180 grain round-nose bullet, so ballistics charts can be found on their site. Zeroed at 200 yards (2.9" high at 100 yards), it drops 12.9 inches at 300 yards.
Ive got a 1895 guide gun in 45 70 and when I had a scope mounted on it it shot one inch groups at 100 yards with barnes. I removed the scope and only have open sites now but when it had a scope it outshot some of my bolt actions. It was very load dependent, though hornady groups were 2 to 3 times as large as the barnes or buffalo bore for whatever reason didn't like them.
I've owned 2 very accurate lever action rifles. One was a Marlin 1895MXLR in 450 Marlin and the other is a 1951 Savage 99 in 300 Savage. Both were capable of regularly shooting 1" 3 shot groups at 100 yards. I regret selling the Marlin.
You right about cooking. The hog and other animals. On some where I asked about it . They said to cook the meats of wild game fully with no blood or red you will have it to that you do not have to worry about the parasites. You right about eating wild hog . I was given 2 lbs and one as Chile and tge other lb in bugers . I love it teast better tgen regular hog.
Hello paulmartin6895, We hunt wild boar a lot here in Bavaria. Since the end of the 70's the monoculture (almost only 3 crops, mainly corn, then wheat and rapeseed) took hold) increasing the cultivated areas through small trees and removing groups of trees and bushes. As a result, we completely drove out some wild species that like exactly these small boundaries (pheasant and especially partridge). Since then, wild boars have multiplied a lot (since they find cover and food, especially in corn, for half the year) and, as with pigs, in contrast to ruminants, the more food they have, the higher birth rates. Be that as it may, the utilization of wild boar meat is very good here. Only in winter do you have to be careful here (since Chernobil), as the pigs dig up the ground more in the cold season, and regionally they regularly have increased radiation levels in the meat, which are no longer consumed after 600 Bequerells per kilogram and are discarded. In summer, where you can find enough food, this problem does not arise. Furthermore, every wild boar must be examined for trichinella, as the law requires. Actually an extinct disease/parasite, but fatal to humans. To do this, samples are taken from the heavily blood-supplied muscle from the forefoot and dwarf fur pillar, and these are available at collection points for veterinary doctors in every town. After a maximum of 3 days for the meat to cool down, you would receive a message if the meat was questionable. There is also the herpes virus disease Aujetzki, in wild boars, which is found in some wild boars, but is harmless to humans, but is absolutely fatal to dogs and cats within 3 days. There is no antidote for this. That's why our dog trackers are instructed when hunting that the dog is trained not to lick the blood or open wounds from the pig after it has been shot. Many greetings from Bavaria, and always good luck and good hunting.
If you Get one of those fast twist barrels in a one in nine and chamber of 30-06 it'll work with those heavier bullets at long range just fine. I'm not taking that many long shots anyway, but they improved ballistics is worth it.
Hunters usually don't "wear out' barrels, but it can indeed happen. I have seen some ammunition test barrels where the first inch or more rifling has worn off. Oddly enough, some of those barrels continue to shoot small groups, even after some of the rifling is gone. The guys on the Hornady podcast talked about a test barrel the called "old faithful" which has some of its rifling gone. It was finally retired from test duty but remains as a keepsake.
America has forgotten the best leveraction ever desighned .the savage 99.i have 3 .a303 takedown ,a 250 savage takedown and 300 savage.after years of load development the are all moa,with apeture sight.the handling and balance on a 99 is unbelievable Gone but not forgotten
CIP also does NOT have 2 different standards for the .223 and the 5.56, the went with both as the 5.56 pressure, which is why on the CZ websight they say all CZ rifles chambered in .223 will gleefully handle 5.56 ammo as well. wonder why sammi did not do the same? would have saved a LOT of trouble. I can personally attest to this as i looked everywhere for a long (24") barrel 5.56 bolt rifle and NOBODY offers one except CZ, so i got the CZ 600 Alpha in .223 and have just past 1000 rounds through it, every single one was a 5.56 and it is perfect.
Sad Newtons Lever bolt rifle was not built many of ,or Harald Wolf the same . A bolt with the quickness of a lever, call it the way the Lee Navy should have been, up to .505 calibers
He was talking about ammo and competitors. Winchester is proud to put 30WCF on its guns, although one of my Model 94's just says "30-30". Marlin, Ruger and Savage often stamped 30-30 on theirs and even the "Win" part off for a long time. It seems that gun companies were more picky back then. Then things got confusing because Winchester introduced other .30 cal centerfire cartridges like the 307, 308, and 300 Win Mag. Eventually there were lots of .30 Winchester Centerfires.
This would not matter today, firearm and ammo brands are owned by large parent companies and ownership is transferred so often that individual pride in a brand is meaningless now.
@@anti8.6 There still seems to be a residue of it around. No one but Ruger, for example, chambered rifles for the 300 or 338 Ruger Compact Magnums (RCMs). The 6.8 Western was associated with Winchester and so far, only Winchester and its sister company Browning have made moderate-priced rifles for it. That last one may just have been a marketing failure, but when Hornady and, now, Federal introduce a new cartridge, they have assured that numerous companies are making rifles in it. On the other hand, Winchester's 350 Legend was a hit. Then again, it filled a newly created niche for straight wall cartridges with 1.8" or less case length. It helped that it also fit into AR15s, whose owners tend to burn through more ammo.
5:33 Ron, I can tell you why it has a radial shoulder. In mechanical engineering, I learned not long after I started learning you get *VASTLY* more strength to it. The same applies to the barrel and such, too. Not just the brass. A right angle is a weak spot, rounded is better. That is why half tangs on knives are also supposed to be rounded too, so they don't snap at the juncture.
Bolt action for business, lever action for style 😎
At 24 minutes you discuss the 275 Rigby. Back at the end of the 80s I was in Litts Gunshop and a guy was purchasing a rather nice Rigby 275 with a Zeiss scope. Unfortunately his Firearm Certificate (UK regulations!) stated he could buy a 7 x 57 so the boss wouldn't sell it to him! The sales person (far more knowledgeable) went out the back and brought back a box of genuine Rigby ammo. Result? The rifle was marked 275 Rigby, the ammo box was marked 276 Ridby and the cartridges in the Rigby box were were Winchester 7 x 57. Go figure!
I recently purchased a 1961 model 88 Winchester in 308, great rifle.
Please get it safety checked by a gunsmith. Some are self-firing.
Now that I got my first gun (a Marlin 336A) i’m Hooked on lever guns and am trying to find a cheap Browning BLR that has the style of the lever gun and the accuracy and range of a bolt action, I think a 30-06 will work that way I can hunt moose and elk without getting closer than 75-50 yards with my 30-30, especially with a moose
When you mentioned locking lugs in the back versus in the front not being that important, it made me think of Paul Harrell's statement, "In real-world applications, there is not enough difference to make a difference."
That statement applies to most situations. The times it doesn't apply is competition shooting or law enforcement, where accuracy can be very important.
Weatherby cases were not for cosmetic purposes but rather due to the " Venturi effect" that greatly improved velocity while reducing pressure.
Besides the 356, Winchester also made the 375 in model 94.
Marlin also chambered them aswell
I have a Marlin 444S that, with handloads, will shoot true cloverleafs at 100 yards off sticks. I have a Marlin 1895 JM in 45-70 that, with handloads, will shoot .6 CTC three shot groups at 100 yards. But every bolt action I own, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Browning, Interarms, CZ etc, will outshoot my Marlins. Bolt actions are simply more accurate/consistent for a multitude of reasons. Higher BC bullets. Faster lock times.
Ron, I feel the need to share my recent pawn shop adventure i had with a couple of my buddies. I was looking for a 30-06 light weight rifle with scope because the rifle I've been using is a 1917 rifle un sportarized that was issued to my great grandfather in-between the wars they were phasing out the rife in favor of the m1 garand so they let him keep it. My grandpa passed it to me few years ago wich is really cool and I've taken it elk hunting a few times and its really cool to have but it's heavy and long, and I'd hate to take it out and have something happen to and have it get ruined. So I went pawn shopping and I found a ruger american chambered in 30-06 with a vortex scope for $400
I was able barter them down $340 and I bought it.
Ron my brother. I have never through the years gave called you an idiot. But I will STILL stand by my .30-06. I am a) comfortable with it . b) love my rifle. c) am just to damn cheep at my age to start over with some of these new calibers ... lol. Naww for real with the wide range bullet weights for such a wide range of game i am satisfied with what I have. Tell the wife hey and both of you be Blessed.
21 sharp would have still liked to see a upgrade vs a different version of the 22 lr
The 307 Win runs at the same chamber pressures as the 308, but drop gets pretty bad much beyond 200 yards. Winchester still makes 307 ammo with a 180 grain round-nose bullet, so ballistics charts can be found on their site. Zeroed at 200 yards (2.9" high at 100 yards), it drops 12.9 inches at 300 yards.
How does the leverevaloution work? Been trying to convince a family member to sell me his 307 but no luck yet
Ive got a 1895 guide gun in 45 70 and when I had a scope mounted on it it shot one inch groups at 100 yards with barnes. I removed the scope and only have open sites now but when it had a scope it outshot some of my bolt actions. It was very load dependent, though hornady groups were 2 to 3 times as large as the barnes or buffalo bore for whatever reason didn't like them.
I've owned 2 very accurate lever action rifles. One was a Marlin 1895MXLR in 450 Marlin and the other is a 1951 Savage 99 in 300 Savage. Both were capable of regularly shooting 1" 3 shot groups at 100 yards. I regret selling the Marlin.
You right about cooking. The hog and other animals. On some where I asked about it . They said to cook the meats of wild game fully with no blood or red you will have it to that you do not have to worry about the parasites. You right about eating wild hog . I was given 2 lbs and one as Chile and tge other lb in bugers . I love it teast better tgen regular hog.
Hello paulmartin6895,
We hunt wild boar a lot here in Bavaria.
Since the end of the 70's the monoculture (almost only 3 crops, mainly corn, then wheat and rapeseed) took hold) increasing the cultivated areas through small trees and removing groups of trees and bushes.
As a result, we completely drove out some wild species that like exactly these small boundaries (pheasant and especially partridge).
Since then, wild boars have multiplied a lot (since they find cover and food, especially in corn, for half the year) and, as with pigs, in contrast to ruminants, the more food they have, the higher birth rates.
Be that as it may, the utilization of wild boar meat is very good here.
Only in winter do you have to be careful here (since Chernobil), as the pigs dig up the ground more in the cold season, and regionally they regularly have increased radiation levels in the meat, which are no longer consumed after 600 Bequerells per kilogram and are discarded.
In summer, where you can find enough food, this problem does not arise.
Furthermore, every wild boar must be examined for trichinella, as the law requires. Actually an extinct disease/parasite, but fatal to humans. To do this, samples are taken from the heavily blood-supplied muscle from the forefoot and dwarf fur pillar, and these are available at collection points for veterinary doctors in every town.
After a maximum of 3 days for the meat to cool down, you would receive a message if the meat was questionable.
There is also the herpes virus disease Aujetzki, in wild boars, which is found in some wild boars, but is harmless to humans, but is absolutely fatal to dogs and cats within 3 days.
There is no antidote for this.
That's why our dog trackers are instructed when hunting that the dog is trained not to lick the blood or open wounds from the pig after it has been shot.
Many greetings from Bavaria, and always good luck and good hunting.
If you Get one of those fast twist barrels in a one in nine and chamber of 30-06 it'll work with those heavier bullets at long range just fine. I'm not taking that many long shots anyway, but they improved ballistics is worth it.
Hunters usually don't "wear out' barrels, but it can indeed happen. I have seen some ammunition test barrels where the first inch or more rifling has worn off. Oddly enough, some of those barrels continue to shoot small groups, even after some of the rifling is gone. The guys on the Hornady podcast talked about a test barrel the called "old faithful" which has some of its rifling gone. It was finally retired from test duty but remains as a keepsake.
Depends... if equally well made it is more about the barrel and bedding, chambering would be my guess.
The307 and the 356 would have been a huge success if it was brought to market in 1960.
America has forgotten the best leveraction ever desighned .the savage 99.i have 3 .a303 takedown ,a 250 savage takedown and 300 savage.after years of load development the are all moa,with apeture sight.the handling and balance on a 99 is unbelievable
Gone but not forgotten
Any lever action you can find which generally shoots as well as a bolt action, is probably internally a bolt action anyways.
CIP also does NOT have 2 different standards for the .223 and the 5.56, the went with both as the 5.56 pressure, which is why on the CZ websight they say all CZ rifles chambered in .223 will gleefully handle 5.56 ammo as well. wonder why sammi did not do the same? would have saved a LOT of trouble. I can personally attest to this as i looked everywhere for a long (24") barrel 5.56 bolt rifle and NOBODY offers one except CZ, so i got the CZ 600 Alpha in .223 and have just past 1000 rounds through it, every single one was a 5.56 and it is perfect.
If your life depends on it Bolt all day, I say that cause two different leavers failed me when counted the most.
It appears that lever actions were not design for long range as the bolt action rifle have been.
Absolutely. I have a 30-30 lever action and a 30-06 bolt action. The range and accuracy of my 30-06 is much better.
Sad Newtons Lever bolt rifle was not built many of ,or Harald Wolf the same . A bolt with the quickness of a lever, call it the way the Lee Navy should have been, up to .505 calibers
Hes wrong about 30wcf being about competitors not wanting to put winchester on their firearm, my winchester 94 has 30wcf on it lol
He was talking about ammo and competitors. Winchester is proud to put 30WCF on its guns, although one of my Model 94's just says "30-30". Marlin, Ruger and Savage often stamped 30-30 on theirs and even the "Win" part off for a long time. It seems that gun companies were more picky back then. Then things got confusing because Winchester introduced other .30 cal centerfire cartridges like the 307, 308, and 300 Win Mag. Eventually there were lots of .30 Winchester Centerfires.
Why would Winchester be worried about putting 30 wcf on their own rifle?
This would not matter today, firearm and ammo brands are owned by large parent companies and ownership is transferred so often that individual pride in a brand is meaningless now.
@@anti8.6 There still seems to be a residue of it around. No one but Ruger, for example, chambered rifles for the 300 or 338 Ruger Compact Magnums (RCMs). The 6.8 Western was associated with Winchester and so far, only Winchester and its sister company Browning have made moderate-priced rifles for it. That last one may just have been a marketing failure, but when Hornady and, now, Federal introduce a new cartridge, they have assured that numerous companies are making rifles in it. On the other hand, Winchester's 350 Legend was a hit. Then again, it filled a newly created niche for straight wall cartridges with 1.8" or less case length. It helped that it also fit into AR15s, whose owners tend to burn through more ammo.
Rhetorical question..