The 30-06 shooting 165 Partitions was used by my grandad to kill all of the game in the lower 48 plus sheep, caribou, and inland grizzlies in Alaska. The rifle is a pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight that still shoots 3/4” groups at 100 yards at 2800 fps. Not too shabby for an old cartridge.
The historical stuff was full of a lot of urban legends, and never underestimate the animosity of 308 guys. Not all of them, but there is a dedicated group of them thst have a real chip on their shoulder about 30-06. Kind of like the old 9mm vs 45 and 1911 vs glock guys.
I’ve personally told Ron 3 times that the Spanish didn’t have spitzer bullets during the Spanish American war. It sounds like a small detail but it’s very misleading. The reality is the Spanish had round nose like us. Their advantage was they had an extra 200 fps of velocity a higher sectional density and most of all stripper clips. See we had the Krag with a weird side loading mechanism that you dump loose rounds in while they had guided stripper clips. It had absolutely nothing to do with spitzer bullets. I enjoy this channel. However history is not the channels strong point. I would suggest anyone avoid the history videos? I don’t think it deserves getting hated on. However I can understand why people get frustrated. I mean it’s kinda a “stay in your lane” concept?
@@sinisterthoughts2896to be fair the 7.62x51 actually had more muzzle energy than the military load of .30-06. So if you go by military standards the .308/7.62 is far superior to .30-06 in almost every relevant way. Newer powder made the .30-06 length advantageous and got you up to 3,000 foot pounds. However the military load is usually less than 2,500 if memory serves. The thing is the .30-06 is old long and needless in it’s capacity. The main advantage is with heavier bullets. So I think there’s a disconnect where some people don’t understand the .308 used to be hotter than the .30-06. It’s a matter of lost/forgotten knowledge.
@@danielcurtis1434it took some digging but I’ve confirmed that the Spanish Mausers used a 172.8 grain round nosed bullet. Thank you - I’ve read that old wives tale so many times about spitzer bullets being the key development for the Spanish during our war with them. The stripper clip facilitating reloading makes more sense as a game changer.
The 30/06 was Jack O’Conner’s wife’s favorite HEAVY rifle she used for big game up to elephant using 220 FMJ bullets. As Jack’s 375 H&H had just too much recoil for her. Can’t argue it worked!!!
Great video, the ‘06 is my favorite caliber. I have a Model 70A from the late 1970s and my wife bought me a US Rifle Cal .30 M1 for Christmas several years back. The enbloc “ping” may not be as relevant on an active battlefield as all the noise and commotion going on, would obscure something as minor as a “ping”. It has never been substantiated in any of the articles I’ve read referring military historical documentation. To save money as a teenager, I reloaded with an 80 grain lead bullet that I cast myself. I did lighten the powder load but had no idea how fast it was going. If I shot at a piece of steel culvert it would leave about a half inch hole. I figured that the wheel weight lead was really squishing out to make such a big hole.
I am absolutely thrilled 30-06 week is upon us! I've been looking forward to this one. Hearing about all those different loads makes me want to start hand loading asap!
the 1903 was an amazing weapon when sporterized for hunting. my grandmother had one and harvested many a deer with it. my great uncle inherited it or i would have it in my gun closet right now. it was amazing. the Springfield armory did a wonderful job with that weapon.
My favorite cartridge, in the last 25yrs I have used everything from 22-250 to 45-70 and 300wm and everything in-between and yet I still came back to the 30-06, it just works.
30-06 unbelievable cartridge, so versatile to load, hey Ron I have a 1903 a3 built in the 40s, I believe nra American rifleman did an article about the government ordering 100,000 for ww2 effort in 1943 or 44, and Remington was struggling to get them out fast enough and hired smith corona to help, I think if I remember article right , war ended before the order was complete. The 1903 a3 I have was sporterized by my grandfather , who did this as a hobby to make side money, the one I got from my dad was never finished, so I got it finished and was the first to fire it. Also it’s a smith corona. I added a timmney trigger with a vintage scope, viva la 30-06. Thanks for your great videos! Also worked up a load with the Barnes 130grttsx, out of the 22” barrel at a moderate charge I’m getting 2970fps, awesome!
Wow such detailed historical accounts! Great job Joseph & Ron. I avoided the 30-06 in my misguided youth but have now seen the light. Took it to Africa in a M70 Super Grade and it is just brilliant, so smooth so mild in recoil and very effective. I found the Sako 170gr Blade (all copper) ammo just superbly accurate that I no longer reload for it.
I believe the left-handed Psalm quoting sharpshooter was in "Saving Private Ryan," not "Sergeant York." The '03-A4 is what my father carried in Normandy; although when he hit the beach he said he picked up a Garand from "a fellow who didn't need it anymore." Tough times and tough men. Thanks for this video. Mike
Absolutely love my Remington 1903a3 30-06. It wears a C-Style stock, Nikon Buckmasters 6-18×40mm scope. A piece of American history and one sweet hunting rifle.
The not-quite-true belief that the 308 matches the 30-06 with 150 grain bullets comes from the fact that the original (1906) military load with a 150 grain bullet left a 24" barrel at 2700 fps. The 308 can indeed easily do that with modern propellants. Then again, updated propellants will now push that bullet to around 3100 fps from the larger 30-06 case.
@@NCWoodlandRoamer Even staying within SAAMI pressures, there are 150 grain loads listed over 3100fps (many handloaders go well beyond those). Even Hornady's 150 Superformance load is listed at 3080 fps. With today's propellants and bullets, the 30-06 can do virtually everything that the 300 Win Mag could do at it its introduction in 1963 (of course, the Win Mag has also improved over time). I live in an area where shots are below 300 yards and mostly below 150, so I tend to view the 30-06 as more than I need. The vast majority of my shots are at targets, so if I got a 30-06, I would probably spring for a match-style chamber to make it easier to get an extremely accurate load. I figure it likely that I would spend more money overall on powder and bullets tinkering with different loads in a SAAMI chamber vs just starting off with a better chamber and barrel.
@@jfess1911same, I live in Southeast GA and you need to either clear the woods or find an off season cotton field to make a 300 yard shot. I almost feel the same as if I have too much rifle, but when I think about never having to track a deer, much less losing an animal it's worth it.
Looking at handload data, given the same slug, powder brand and primer, the 06 will have about 75-125fps advantage over the 08. When talking the neighborhood of 3000fps, does that difference make a difference? Not sure.
@@Calaveras32Spcl As I noted, the 308, with 150grain bullets, exceeds original 30-06 performance. With 150 grain bullets, not so much difference, even today, to be a massive deal. Once you get to heavier bullets for large or dangerous game though, the difference matters more. Using the same 178-grain ELDX bullet in Hornady factory ammo, for example, the 30-06 maintains over 1500 ft-lbs of energy about 100 yards farther than the 308. Similar with Nosler partitions or accubonds. This might matter for a once-in-a-lifetime elk hunt. If you worry about big bears, the 30-06 definitely has the edge, especially with finding factory ammo loaded with 190+ grain bullets. Boring Technical Stuff: The 308 was optimized around a military 147-150 grain bullet, but the 30-06 still has some carry-overs from its parent, the 30-03 that make it more suitable for heavier bullets. The 30-03 was designed for a 220 grain bullet. The 30-06 retains the longer case neck and the bullet can extend farther out in front of the case (head height). Compared to the 308, the 30-06 allows the use of a longer, heavier bullet before encroachment into the propellant compartment happens... and the 30-06 starts off with more propellant in the first place.
Bought my first bolt action, left hand ABolt, in 1990. An article by Bob Milek convinced me to go 30-06. Haven't regretted that choice one bit. Have owned most calibers from 243 up to 338 RUM. Still grab the '06 on most outings.
America’s cartridge 30.06 is the daddy of all those cartridges you just mentioned. Give it the honor that it deserves because if that round was never developed. Those other round would’ve never been developed. As it should be honored.
I took my first several deer with my grandfather's (serial no dates it to 1925) Win Mod 94 30-30. My father one hunting season told me to use his M1 Garand. I took the next 2 deer with his M Garand. As a 130lb teenager, let me tell you that I did not like carrying that M1 around. Today, almost 50 yrs later I own my grandfathers Model 94 and my own M1 Garand. I love both rifles. All my children have grown up shooting both rifles.
The 39-06 has been my go to and remains my favorite because of its versatile in large game hunting its feed my family and myself for decades and continues to, great cal and thanks for highlighting it's usefulness ,great tutorial on this, God bless
My M1 Garand is my go to anything rifle, bear, deer, coyotes on the farm, 2 legged vermin, tannerite fun. It handles all my needs in my beautiful Ozarks. I'd trust on anything here in North America.
Years ago when I was a young teenager,I bought my first deer rifle,a Remington 788 in 243.I was proud of that rifle and loved it,but shortly thereafter,it was stolen.Then we got a check from the insurance,and I could get just about anything I wanted,within reason,so I poured over magazine articles reloading manuals,and anything I could get my hands on,trying to determine what to get.I wanted a gun and cartridge combo that would handle anything in North America,figuring that I may not have the money for a new gun,if and when the chance came for me to travel and hunt.After long deliberation,I settled on a Ruger M77 in 30/06.Ive had that gun for over forty years and have never regretted my decision.I have owned and hunting with other cartridges,and many of those guns have come and gone,but not that one,it's always been my go to gun,and somehow always to be in my hands.I was only 15 when I made that choice,and consider that to have been the wisest decision I have ever made.
I still hunt with my 03-A3. It shoots good. Had to put a pad on it to fit my longer lop. Sights suck in low light even with red paint or silver sharpie but are great most of the time. Trigger takes getting used to. 220 round nose is my favorite bullet to shoot out of it. Kills deer bear and moose. Was a cheap gun but now not so much. Was talking to an old man at a gun shop about old guns, told him I was looking for one and noticed he didn’t have one, he went out back and got it out and sold me it. I’m sure my sons will fight over it some day.
I have 25/06, 6.5/06, 270, 30/06 and planing on building 6/06, 338/06 and maybe the 35 Whelen. Love the 30/06 case. Plentiful brass and great all a round cartridge.
Ron my last two purchases were 3006 . A Mauser Sporterized drilled and tapped. The other was a Smith and Corona O3A3 Sporterized with a peep sight I now have the choice of re-barreling to a 35 Whelen. Many years ago I was in Kalamazoo Michigan and found a Brazilian Mauser a 08/34 30 chambed in 3006.
I have two 1903 Springfields. One has been Sporterized. I also have a Mouser 98 that has been Sporterized. They are both absolutely beautiful rifles. Not very many Markings on them. So I have never been able to figure out who did the Sporterizing. They are absolutely in perfect shape.
Ron, I think you've mentioned before, but the impetus for the new US cartridge was due to the American's experience in the Spanish / American war where the Spanish was using a 7 mm Mauser cartridge that clearly out performed the 30-40 Krag.
My grandpa had a 30-06 hunting rifle that no one ever saw. When he passed away I asked for it. When my mom brought it home for me it turned out to be a sporterized 1903 built in 1917 the same year the rifle and the military went to Europe for ww1. I don’t know if it served in that conflict. But on the barrel it was stamped 9-42 USMC I don’t know its service history there either. (Wish I did) I had a gunsmith check it out and go through it a few years later after I had been hunting successfully with grandpas old 30-06. The gunsmith asked if it shot good. It did for sure. He said good. Because the barrel showed signs that it had been shot a lot! So who knows the history of it in its military service. Either way because of its history and more importantly handed down from my grandfather it is by far my most cherished firearm. I am looking forward to 30-06 week! And yes. I couldn’t just have one of them. So I have a Remington 700 30-06 also.
In eastern Europe where I live, almost every rifle is in 30-06, and if not, than it is in 308... We use this caliber for our every game animal and it is more popular than our 8x57JS or 7x64. 308 win is also number one with the 30-06 so I don't know what to say. They work really well and all people are happy with them. Also all new rifles in our gun stores are in this two calibers, you can find sometimes something else, but it is rare. I am waiting just now that Glock shows up in 30-06, because we don't have that jet 😂 Nice video as allways 👍
Fudd alert. Been shooting for 50 yrs. . My first centerfire rifle was a Rem 700 BDL in 30-06. Never considered another cartridge. Sold it about 10 yrs later. Still have a Brazilian 1908 Mauser 98 rebarreled in 30-06 with a stepped barrel that shoots 1/2 inch. Great video. Good rapport between you guys.
The first rifle I ever bought was a 700 in 30-06, never have been able to trade that one off. Now I think I may need one of these old rifles in the safe, thanks for sharing these!
Thanks guys - looking forward to this series of videos. I inherited a Brno ZKK600 in 30.06 from my dad when he passed. I took it out a few times, but struggled endlessly to get any kind of grouping. So I took it to a gunsmith to see what was going on, and it appears that the recoil lugs on the bolt has been damaged. I am having it fixed now and cant wait to get it back (hopefully before we go hunting in July). It still has work to do here in Africa - the freezer isn't gonna fill itself 🙂
I never owned an M1 Garand, but I did own a Springfield 1903- 30-06. Back in the day you could buy military surplus rifles pretty cheap. A friend once said: A person equipped with a .22lr rifle, a 12ga. shotgun and a 30-06 rifle can hunt any game in America. And with todays modern powders and projectiles, I believe that is true. Are there better suited rifles for certain areas, yeah most likely. But that doesn't change the fact that the 30-06 can still get the job done, and it has proven that over and over for decades. Nice video, I enjoyed it.
I bought my first 30-06 last year. It is a M1 Garand from the CMP! I'm taking it Hog hunting next March to Texas! Sighted in at 100 yards with exceptional groups! Might sound strange but, i don't have to actually watch the video to understand the information! Both of your voices are To The point and soothing to listen to! Thank you Both!
Awesome video, love seeing the .30-06 getting its due. Small correction, Medal of Honor recipients "earn" the MOH, they don't "win" it, it's not a contest. Innocent mistake but an important distinction.
Took my first deer with a Savage .30-06 rifle. Bought some other rifles, but my .30-06 is always my favorite. Will be taking my savage 110 classic to Africa next year. If that makes me a 30 year old fudd, so be it. Looking to add that springfield a304 to my collection now. Great video Ron, keep up the good work!
I grew up despising the 06 and at 18 i bought my second High powered rifle in .270. My first being a .243 model 70 win. Dad gift to me for my 14th birthday. Later i got a little smarter and and while reloading for my two rifles and noticed the Ballistics on the 30-06 and that's it,I knew right then i was going to have one of the Greatest rifles ever Built now have a couple of them. The Ballistics are incredible with what we can do with the 06, pariedogs & groundhogs to the Mighty Grizzly, Buy one and find out, love the 06 week, looking forward to seeing more, Thanks Ron😊
I just had a new 30-06 barrel put on my Remington 7600. But I had my gunsmith get a 1/8 twist 18" barrel. I hand load the Barnes 180gr ttsx and it's been my back country go to rifle for a while now. I got the rifle when I was 16 years old, I worked and saved my money and had my dad get the rifle for me from a pawn shop. I'm a lefty and there weren't my left hand bolt actions available in 1982 that didn't cost an arm and leg. A few years later the same pawn shop had a left hand Remington safari 300wm and yes I snagged it up as well. Great rifles and I can hunt pretty much anything on the planet with the correct hand loads with these two rifles. 30 caliber America's caliber.
Well now this is a interesting video and a very interesting topic. I think the story about the enemy. Waiting to hear the clip exiting the rifle. Making a pinging noise is just simply a interesting story. When you are in a fire fight, there is so much noise around you from both sides that there is no way the enemy's going to hear that pinging noise. But then it is a interesting story.
Great Choice. As with any other factory rifle, don't expect great sccuracy unless you go through the rifle and make sure everything is correct. Action Bedding, Barrel bedding ,well adjusted trigger and well mounted scope. My hunting 30-06 rifles, tuned and loaded properly have 3 shot groups as small as sub 1/2" MOA and have really been as accurate as my 243, 308 & 270 rifles. It is a truly great cartridge.
Sergeant York most likely used a M17 as most of the doughboys used M17 . As Springfield could manufacturer enough as they were having problem manufacturing firearms. And P14 Enfield in .303cal was fall manufacturer for the British
I really love your videos on the 30-06 Ron. Another excellent job by you and your friend. As I mentioned before I have 2. A 1984 Browning BAR and a 2018 Ruger American bolt action. Love them both, but after 40+ yrs the BAR got a bit heavy and the Ruger is lighter to carry in the NH mountains. Love you work Ron.Always an excellent job well done.
I recently watched Sgt York again and I did not see a guy shooting a 1903 left handed quoting scripture. Could he be thinking about the sniper in Private Ryan? Not to sidetrack a cool video and keep them coming…
When I bought my Smith Corona 1903A3 at CMP South I probably also should have grabbed a Remington 1903A4. Some years ago I was able to buy a Lyman Alaskan NIB, which CMP says is the proper scope for the 03A4. So now I have a scope with nothing to use it on since I also don't own an M1C or M1D and only have some CMP M1 Garands. :-(
My uncle had a lot of guns, some of which I saw at his place in Pennsylvania. He lived near several open fields, and towards the end of his life became a varmint shooter. But he had his big guns, too, for Alaska and Canada. Somewhere in the middle of these was an Enfield, the old P16 military rifle. In 30-06, of course. When he passed, his kids made a mincemeat of what I was supposed to get (I'm the only real shooter in my generation of family), and all I got was that Enfield. Which was fine. But my uncle, for some reason which I would like to ask him someday when I pass, butchered the rear sight and put a railway tie of a stock on it. One of those "sporterized" military rifles. Because of the hacked up sight, I was more or less defeated putting a scope on it, so I had to use the peep sight. I'm now 73, so you can guess how well that went over back then (this was about 10 years ago). Anyway, I enjoyed it and reloading for it, then gave it to my grandson, currently in the Marines. I'll let him enjoy all that recoil, courtesy of that steel butt plate.
I shot my first deer in 1974 in Michigan with a model 700 BDL in 30-06. I had a K2.5x scope with the duplex reticle. That was 68 years after the 30-06 came out and 50 years ago now. Get right with Jesus because this life is a flash.
Great info guys! A little creative with terminology, but great (example: technically a "heat shield", it's called an upper handguard.). The 30-06 is useful for ANY North American game.
I inherited my father’s 1903a3 that he unfortunately sporterized, trigger job, Lyman sights, stock, etc. One of the finest shooting rifles I have in my collection, and will never part with it
My go to rifle is a 28 year old Ruger 77 MKII All Weather in 30-06. I bought it new and before I fired the first round I took it to a gunsmith who specialized in competition rifles. Glass bedded action, trued bolt face, 2.5 lb trigger. It shoots great. If I had to chose one rifle from my collection and let all others go, it would be my pick. We know each other. 30-06 is a great, versatile cartridge for North America.
Yes, the 8x57mm cartridge was truly a great and influential cartridge. Yet it was developed in a very short time by a committee. That's the story you need to tell. 😮
My very first service rifle given to me by my grandfather when i was just 10 years old, a 1903 Springfield. That was 47 years ago and granddad is gone now but myself and my kids still enjoy shooting this old gun, maybe some day I'll pass it on to one of my grandson's.
I have a Winchester 95 which was issued with Theodore Roosevelt Roughriders chambered in 30-03. It’s my understanding that the Winchester 95 was the original weapon that was issued the 30-03 but I know his story and I could be wrong.
Loved this video, and I'm really looking forward to more 30-06 videos! Worth adding a bit of context on the 1,000 yard iron sights and accuracy of the 03 Springfield. The 30-06 is certainly lethal out to 1,000, even Martini Henry rifles have killed soldiers past 1,500 yards in combat. However the context is, and this is very important, volley fire. Nobody expected even the best shooters of the time to shoot a single rifle and hit a target at 1,000 yards, but with enough rifles and enough bullets you can suppress and even hit enemy troops at those ranges in combat. So not so much about individual men, but the collective work of a entire platoon, firing at another large group of soldiers. The other thing about accuracy of WW1 and WW2 period rifles is their standard for accuracy was far different than we have today. A sweet shooting "sniper rifle" was a rifle often capable of around 2moa, sometimes even 2-3, while standard rifles shot more like 4-6. So that's significantly worse than a store bought "cheap" Ruger American off the shelf, or about the same as a standard military issue AR-15 or AK-74. That's not to say those old sniper rifles were inaccurate, around 2moa is a very functional practical accuracy level and shooter skill is most important, but it really does go to show just how far modern rifles have come in accuracy. (also as a aside, the USA wasn't the first nation to bring a semi auto battle rifle to the field, that was done in WW1, and Russia already had the SVT-40 too, which is quite excellent. The USA was the first however to field it on a mass scale to all standard army infantry troops. In other nations the semi auto battle rifles were in smaller numbers and issued only to elite units.)
You need a ruger 77 and 760s and 740 7400 7600 lol I have seen multiple truck loads of deer shot in the same day with 06s back in the day everyone you ran into in the woods had a 06 most of em where pump guns around here
Another great video. I really have been enjoying watching your videos lately. You too are great together. I will say the 30-06 is not my most favored cartridge, but it is definitely a great one.
Guys your "bromance" is getting better, I'm seeing you two more and more, very enjoyable to watch you guys talk everything gun and cartridge related, keep it comming. 😅
30-06 is one of my all time favorite cartridges. Ive been using it for close to 30 years now and have taken all of my firsts with it. Killed my first whitetail, elk, black bear, moose, and caribou with the 30-06. Fantastic Video Ron! Been a fan for years reading your articles to now watching your videos.
Hope 30-06 week includes an episode about handloading & ammo in general. Cartridge’s versatility, which lends itself to handloading, is one or its most valuable characteristics.
Not much you can't do with the 30.06. 🇺🇲 My favorite hunting cartridge for elk. Thanks for the video, Ron and Joseph. Looking forward to all the vids to follow this week!
Fun Fact: original WW1 production model 1917 rifles chambered in 30-06 are still in active military service with the Sirius Dog Sled Patrol. They keep the ol 06 around in case they have an unfortunate run in with an angry polar bear.
The M1917 Enfield, probably an Eddystone (Remington's other plant), was more prevalent than the 1903 during the "Great War" and was Alvin York's rifle.
When I started reloading, I started with the .30-06 in a 1917 Enfield. That was 1963. I've reloaded thousands of cartridges since, the largest was the .416 Rem. My current project I've worked on since 2013, a .256 Win. Mag. In my 1894 Marlin. I haven't perfected it yet but my hopes are high.
The 30-06 shooting 165 Partitions was used by my grandad to kill all of the game in the lower 48 plus sheep, caribou, and inland grizzlies in Alaska. The rifle is a pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight that still shoots 3/4” groups at 100 yards at 2800 fps. Not too shabby for an old cartridge.
I don't know why this video is getting so many negative comments: However, I like this video and think this 30-06 week will be great!
BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY INACCURACIES
The historical stuff was full of a lot of urban legends, and never underestimate the animosity of 308 guys. Not all of them, but there is a dedicated group of them thst have a real chip on their shoulder about 30-06. Kind of like the old 9mm vs 45 and 1911 vs glock guys.
I’ve personally told Ron 3 times that the Spanish didn’t have spitzer bullets during the Spanish American war. It sounds like a small detail but it’s very misleading. The reality is the Spanish had round nose like us. Their advantage was they had an extra 200 fps of velocity a higher sectional density and most of all stripper clips. See we had the Krag with a weird side loading mechanism that you dump loose rounds in while they had guided stripper clips. It had absolutely nothing to do with spitzer bullets.
I enjoy this channel. However history is not the channels strong point. I would suggest anyone avoid the history videos?
I don’t think it deserves getting hated on. However I can understand why people get frustrated. I mean it’s kinda a “stay in your lane” concept?
@@sinisterthoughts2896to be fair the 7.62x51 actually had more muzzle energy than the military load of .30-06. So if you go by military standards the .308/7.62 is far superior to .30-06 in almost every relevant way. Newer powder made the .30-06 length advantageous and got you up to 3,000 foot pounds. However the military load is usually less than 2,500 if memory serves.
The thing is the .30-06 is old long and needless in it’s capacity. The main advantage is with heavier bullets. So I think there’s a disconnect where some people don’t understand the .308 used to be hotter than the .30-06. It’s a matter of lost/forgotten knowledge.
@@danielcurtis1434it took some digging but I’ve confirmed that the Spanish Mausers used a 172.8 grain round nosed bullet. Thank you - I’ve read that old wives tale so many times about spitzer bullets being the key development for the Spanish during our war with them. The stripper clip facilitating reloading makes more sense as a game changer.
Always enjoy hearing more discussion on my favorite cartridge, the .30-06
My go to cartridge. Very versatile without the recoil of the magnum roads
I love the 30-06! Thank you both.
The 30/06 was Jack O’Conner’s wife’s favorite HEAVY rifle she used for big game up to elephant using 220 FMJ bullets. As Jack’s 375 H&H had just too much recoil for her. Can’t argue it worked!!!
Great video, the ‘06 is my favorite caliber. I have a Model 70A from the late 1970s and my wife bought me a US Rifle Cal .30 M1 for Christmas several years back. The enbloc “ping” may not be as relevant on an active battlefield as all the noise and commotion going on, would obscure something as minor as a “ping”. It has never been substantiated in any of the articles I’ve read referring military historical documentation. To save money as a teenager, I reloaded with an 80 grain lead bullet that I cast myself. I did lighten the powder load but had no idea how fast it was going. If I shot at a piece of steel culvert it would leave about a half inch hole. I figured that the wheel weight lead was really squishing out to make such a big hole.
I agree that ping sound being heard in combat is such a myth.
I am absolutely thrilled 30-06 week is upon us! I've been looking forward to this one. Hearing about all those different loads makes me want to start hand loading asap!
the 1903 was an amazing weapon when sporterized for hunting. my grandmother had one and harvested many a deer with it. my great uncle inherited it or i would have it in my gun closet right now. it was amazing. the Springfield armory did a wonderful job with that weapon.
My favorite cartridge, in the last 25yrs I have used everything from 22-250 to 45-70 and 300wm and everything in-between and yet I still came back to the 30-06, it just works.
Thank you Mr Ron this is going to be an exciting week 👍🏼
30-06 unbelievable cartridge, so versatile to load, hey Ron I have a 1903 a3 built in the 40s, I believe nra American rifleman did an article about the government ordering 100,000 for ww2 effort in 1943 or 44, and Remington was struggling to get them out fast enough and hired smith corona to help, I think if I remember article right , war ended before the order was complete. The 1903 a3 I have was sporterized by my grandfather , who did this as a hobby to make side money, the one I got from my dad was never finished, so I got it finished and was the first to fire it. Also it’s a smith corona. I added a timmney trigger with a vintage scope, viva la 30-06. Thanks for your great videos! Also worked up a load with the Barnes 130grttsx, out of the 22” barrel at a moderate charge I’m getting 2970fps, awesome!
Wow such detailed historical accounts! Great job Joseph & Ron. I avoided the 30-06 in my misguided youth but have now seen the light. Took it to Africa in a M70 Super Grade and it is just brilliant, so smooth so mild in recoil and very effective. I found the Sako 170gr Blade (all copper) ammo just superbly accurate that I no longer reload for it.
I believe the left-handed Psalm quoting sharpshooter was in "Saving Private Ryan," not "Sergeant York." The '03-A4 is what my father carried in Normandy; although when he hit the beach he said he picked up a Garand from "a fellow who didn't need it anymore." Tough times and tough men. Thanks for this video. Mike
Joseph, that is an outstanding achievement. “Expert”. Wow. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Absolutely love my Remington 1903a3 30-06. It wears a C-Style stock, Nikon Buckmasters 6-18×40mm scope. A piece of American history and one sweet hunting rifle.
Thanks Mr Spomer. This is super interesting so far.
Great time to give homage to the greatest cartridge from our greatest generation…
Thank you for this upload. Grateful that you included the informational texts with the rifles.
If I was going broke and had to sell all of my guns, I think my Remington 700BDL in 30-06 would be the one rifle I would have to keep.
That is the truth right there. Love my BDL
Same here.
Thanks Ron and Joseph - great info and great examples of the early rifles.
The not-quite-true belief that the 308 matches the 30-06 with 150 grain bullets comes from the fact that the original (1906) military load with a 150 grain bullet left a 24" barrel at 2700 fps. The 308 can indeed easily do that with modern propellants. Then again, updated propellants will now push that bullet to around 3100 fps from the larger 30-06 case.
That’s exactly right. The 06 in a modern bolt action can easily shoot 150 grain bullets at 3,100+ with hand loads.
@@NCWoodlandRoamer Even staying within SAAMI pressures, there are 150 grain loads listed over 3100fps (many handloaders go well beyond those). Even Hornady's 150 Superformance load is listed at 3080 fps.
With today's propellants and bullets, the 30-06 can do virtually everything that the 300 Win Mag could do at it its introduction in 1963 (of course, the Win Mag has also improved over time). I live in an area where shots are below 300 yards and mostly below 150, so I tend to view the 30-06 as more than I need.
The vast majority of my shots are at targets, so if I got a 30-06, I would probably spring for a match-style chamber to make it easier to get an extremely accurate load. I figure it likely that I would spend more money overall on powder and bullets tinkering with different loads in a SAAMI chamber vs just starting off with a better chamber and barrel.
@@jfess1911same, I live in Southeast GA and you need to either clear the woods or find an off season cotton field to make a 300 yard shot.
I almost feel the same as if I have too much rifle, but when I think about never having to track a deer, much less losing an animal it's worth it.
Looking at handload data, given the same slug, powder brand and primer, the 06 will have about 75-125fps advantage over the 08. When talking the neighborhood of 3000fps, does that difference make a difference? Not sure.
@@Calaveras32Spcl As I noted, the 308, with 150grain bullets, exceeds original 30-06 performance. With 150 grain bullets, not so much difference, even today, to be a massive deal.
Once you get to heavier bullets for large or dangerous game though, the difference matters more. Using the same 178-grain ELDX bullet in Hornady factory ammo, for example, the 30-06 maintains over 1500 ft-lbs of energy about 100 yards farther than the 308. Similar with Nosler partitions or accubonds. This might matter for a once-in-a-lifetime elk hunt.
If you worry about big bears, the 30-06 definitely has the edge, especially with finding factory ammo loaded with 190+ grain bullets.
Boring Technical Stuff:
The 308 was optimized around a military 147-150 grain bullet, but the 30-06 still has some carry-overs from its parent, the 30-03 that make it more suitable for heavier bullets. The 30-03 was designed for a 220 grain bullet. The 30-06 retains the longer case neck and the bullet can extend farther out in front of the case (head height). Compared to the 308, the 30-06 allows the use of a longer, heavier bullet before encroachment into the propellant compartment happens... and the 30-06 starts off with more propellant in the first place.
Bought my first bolt action, left hand ABolt, in 1990. An article by Bob Milek convinced me to go 30-06. Haven't regretted that choice one bit. Have owned most calibers from 243 up to 338 RUM. Still grab the '06 on most outings.
Bob Milek was awesome!! His writings certainly played into my purchase and 40+ year use of the .30-06, too. He passed away way too soon!
America’s cartridge 30.06 is the daddy of all those cartridges you just mentioned. Give it the honor that it deserves because if that round was never developed. Those other round would’ve never been developed. As it should be honored.
You missed an *if
@@linkbond08thanks link
@@linkbond08 corrected thanks buddy
I took my first several deer with my grandfather's (serial no dates it to 1925) Win Mod 94 30-30. My father one hunting season told me to use his M1 Garand. I took the next 2 deer with his M Garand. As a 130lb teenager, let me tell you that I did not like carrying that M1 around. Today, almost 50 yrs later I own my grandfathers Model 94 and my own M1 Garand. I love both rifles. All my children have grown up shooting both rifles.
The 39-06 has been my go to and remains my favorite because of its versatile in large game hunting its feed my family and myself for decades and continues to, great cal and thanks for highlighting it's usefulness ,great tutorial on this, God bless
Shot my biggest buck with a sporterized 03. Original 165 Barnes x bullet 200 yards. 11 point field dressed 227 lbs. Great old rife
My M1 Garand is my go to anything rifle, bear, deer, coyotes on the farm, 2 legged vermin, tannerite fun. It handles all my needs in my beautiful Ozarks. I'd trust on anything here in North America.
Years ago when I was a young teenager,I bought my first deer rifle,a Remington 788 in 243.I was proud of that rifle and loved it,but shortly thereafter,it was stolen.Then we got a check from the insurance,and I could get just about anything I wanted,within reason,so I poured over magazine articles reloading manuals,and anything I could get my hands on,trying to determine what to get.I wanted a gun and cartridge combo that would handle anything in North America,figuring that I may not have the money for a new gun,if and when the chance came for me to travel and hunt.After long deliberation,I settled on a Ruger M77 in 30/06.Ive had that gun for over forty years and have never regretted my decision.I have owned and hunting with other cartridges,and many of those guns have come and gone,but not that one,it's always been my go to gun,and somehow always to be in my hands.I was only 15 when I made that choice,and consider that to have been the wisest decision I have ever made.
Awsome love 30-06 and 8x57is/8x57JS. Can't wait for more videos. Keep the videos coming.
I still hunt with my 03-A3. It shoots good. Had to put a pad on it to fit my longer lop. Sights suck in low light even with red paint or silver sharpie but are great most of the time. Trigger takes getting used to. 220 round nose is my favorite bullet to shoot out of it. Kills deer bear and moose. Was a cheap gun but now not so much. Was talking to an old man at a gun shop about old guns, told him I was looking for one and noticed he didn’t have one, he went out back and got it out and sold me it. I’m sure my sons will fight over it some day.
I have 25/06, 6.5/06, 270, 30/06 and planing on building 6/06, 338/06 and maybe the 35 Whelen. Love the 30/06 case. Plentiful brass and great all a round cartridge.
You should look into the 338 Sherman. If I was going for a big bore based on the 06 case, it’d be that one.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I will do that
Awesome 30x06 week marvelous idea will be watching
Ron my last two purchases were 3006 . A Mauser Sporterized drilled and tapped. The other was a Smith and Corona O3A3 Sporterized with a peep sight I now have the choice of re-barreling to a 35 Whelen. Many years ago I was in Kalamazoo Michigan and found a Brazilian Mauser a 08/34 30 chambed in 3006.
Great video! I've been using a .30-06 for over 40 years. Fantastic cartridge!
I have two 1903 Springfields. One has been Sporterized. I also have a Mouser 98 that has been Sporterized. They are both absolutely beautiful rifles. Not very many Markings on them. So I have never been able to figure out who did the Sporterizing. They are absolutely in perfect shape.
You have a Mauser, or autocorrect problems.
What a good show. I had a Remington 760 game master in 30-06 with fix 4X scope it shoot nice as long as full length sized reloads
Ron, I think you've mentioned before, but the impetus for the new US cartridge was due to the American's experience in the Spanish / American war where the Spanish was using a 7 mm Mauser cartridge that clearly out performed the 30-40 Krag.
30-06 is the best ever.
My grandpa had a 30-06 hunting rifle that no one ever saw. When he passed away I asked for it. When my mom brought it home for me it turned out to be a sporterized 1903 built in 1917 the same year the rifle and the military went to Europe for ww1. I don’t know if it served in that conflict. But on the barrel it was stamped 9-42 USMC I don’t know its service history there either. (Wish I did) I had a gunsmith check it out and go through it a few years later after I had been hunting successfully with grandpas old 30-06. The gunsmith asked if it shot good. It did for sure. He said good. Because the barrel showed signs that it had been shot a lot! So who knows the history of it in its military service. Either way because of its history and more importantly handed down from my grandfather it is by far my most cherished firearm. I am looking forward to 30-06 week! And yes. I couldn’t just have one of them. So I have a Remington 700 30-06 also.
In eastern Europe where I live, almost every rifle is in 30-06, and if not, than it is in 308... We use this caliber for our every game animal and it is more popular than our 8x57JS or 7x64. 308 win is also number one with the 30-06 so I don't know what to say. They work really well and all people are happy with them. Also all new rifles in our gun stores are in this two calibers, you can find sometimes something else, but it is rare. I am waiting just now that Glock shows up in 30-06, because we don't have that jet 😂 Nice video as allways 👍
It's fairly popular in Germany, probably owing to all the US bases in the South.
Great video guys! When reviewing the diversity of rifles chambered in 30-06, don't forget the remington pumps.
Fudd alert. Been shooting for 50 yrs. . My first centerfire rifle was a Rem 700 BDL in 30-06. Never considered another cartridge. Sold it about 10 yrs later. Still have a Brazilian 1908 Mauser 98 rebarreled in 30-06 with a stepped barrel that shoots 1/2 inch. Great video. Good rapport between you guys.
The first rifle I ever bought was a 700 in 30-06, never have been able to trade that one off. Now I think I may need one of these old rifles in the safe, thanks for sharing these!
Thanks guys - looking forward to this series of videos. I inherited a Brno ZKK600 in 30.06 from my dad when he passed. I took it out a few times, but struggled endlessly to get any kind of grouping. So I took it to a gunsmith to see what was going on, and it appears that the recoil lugs on the bolt has been damaged. I am having it fixed now and cant wait to get it back (hopefully before we go hunting in July). It still has work to do here in Africa - the freezer isn't gonna fill itself 🙂
That '03 Springfield in 30-06 was also what the Marines used at Guadalcanal in WWII!
-Gunny T sends
The 30/06 cartridge was the design expanded proportionately to create the Browning Machine Gun 50 caliber cartridge.
And down to 222.
Ohhh hell yeah! I like this
Ron remembers when 3006 first came out
ROLF ROLF - I'd older than him...I must have used a trapdoor Springfield
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I never owned an M1 Garand, but I did own a Springfield 1903- 30-06. Back in the day you could buy military surplus rifles pretty cheap.
A friend once said: A person equipped with a .22lr rifle, a 12ga. shotgun and a 30-06 rifle can hunt any game in America. And with todays modern powders and projectiles, I believe that is true. Are there better suited rifles for certain areas, yeah most likely. But that doesn't change the fact that the 30-06 can still get the job done, and it has proven that over and over for decades.
Nice video, I enjoyed it.
Awesome awesome awesome!!!
Good show guys , I love my dirty 06
I bought my first 30-06 last year. It is a M1 Garand from the CMP! I'm taking it Hog hunting next March to Texas! Sighted in at 100 yards with exceptional groups! Might sound strange but, i don't have to actually watch the video to understand the information! Both of your voices are To The point and soothing to listen to!
Thank you Both!
Awesome video, love seeing the .30-06 getting its due. Small correction, Medal of Honor recipients "earn" the MOH, they don't "win" it, it's not a contest. Innocent mistake but an important distinction.
Took my first deer with a Savage .30-06 rifle. Bought some other rifles, but my .30-06 is always my favorite. Will be taking my savage 110 classic to Africa next year. If that makes me a 30 year old fudd, so be it. Looking to add that springfield a304 to my collection now. Great video Ron, keep up the good work!
Dude ur not a fudd you got good taste. Take from me, an old fudd who likes AR's but knows 30/06 still kicks a lotta azz 🤣
I grew up despising the 06 and at 18 i bought my second High powered rifle in .270. My first being a .243 model 70 win. Dad gift to me for my 14th birthday. Later i got a little smarter and and while reloading for my two rifles and noticed the Ballistics on the 30-06 and that's it,I knew right then i was going to have one of the Greatest rifles ever Built now have a couple of them. The Ballistics are incredible with what we can do with the 06, pariedogs & groundhogs to the Mighty Grizzly, Buy one and find out, love the 06 week, looking forward to seeing more, Thanks Ron😊
From my uncles two BARs to the 742 remington, i love the 30.06 !
I just had a new 30-06 barrel put on my Remington 7600. But I had my gunsmith get a 1/8 twist 18" barrel. I hand load the Barnes 180gr ttsx and it's been my back country go to rifle for a while now. I got the rifle when I was 16 years old, I worked and saved my money and had my dad get the rifle for me from a pawn shop. I'm a lefty and there weren't my left hand bolt actions available in 1982 that didn't cost an arm and leg. A few years later the same pawn shop had a left hand Remington safari 300wm and yes I snagged it up as well. Great rifles and I can hunt pretty much anything on the planet with the correct hand loads with these two rifles. 30 caliber America's caliber.
Well now this is a interesting video and a very interesting topic. I think the story about the enemy. Waiting to hear the clip exiting the rifle. Making a pinging noise is just simply a interesting story. When you are in a fire fight, there is so much noise around you from both sides that there is no way the enemy's going to hear that pinging noise. But then it is a interesting story.
They didn't wear hearing protection back then. You were practically deaf in the first 5 mins.
Great timing... Just bought a new featherweight model 70. Hope it to be my do all rifle. My other 06 have served me well
Great Choice.
As with any other factory rifle, don't expect great sccuracy unless you go through the rifle and make sure everything is correct. Action Bedding, Barrel bedding ,well adjusted trigger and well mounted scope. My hunting 30-06 rifles, tuned and loaded properly have 3 shot groups as small as sub 1/2" MOA and have really been as accurate as my 243, 308 & 270 rifles. It is a truly great cartridge.
Sergeant York most likely used a M17 as most of the doughboys used M17 . As Springfield could manufacturer enough as they were having problem manufacturing firearms. And P14 Enfield in .303cal was fall manufacturer for the British
M1917. They didn't abbreviate back then.
I really love your videos on the 30-06 Ron. Another excellent job by you and your friend. As I mentioned before I have 2. A 1984 Browning BAR and a 2018 Ruger American bolt action. Love them both, but after 40+ yrs the BAR got a bit heavy and the Ruger is lighter to carry in the NH mountains. Love you work Ron.Always an excellent job well done.
You should try Erik Cortina's 500 yard open sights challenge. With the 1903 A3O3
MAYBE ERIC SHOULD DO IT FIRST, SINCE HE IS THE ONE MAKING THE CHALLENGE????😂
@@JamesClark-lw6swWell maybe but so far those that tried didn't have the skills or Ammo to optimally make the attempt.
You mean an '03-A3?
I recently watched Sgt York again and I did not see a guy shooting a 1903 left handed quoting scripture. Could he be thinking about the sniper in Private Ryan? Not to sidetrack a cool video and keep them coming…
Yes, the character played by Barry Pepper in SPR. A sniper in WWI couldn't have had an 03A4 anyway. They were strictly WWII.
York carried the M1917 Enfield, which actually was more common in WW1.
When I bought my Smith Corona 1903A3 at CMP South I probably also should have grabbed a Remington 1903A4. Some years ago I was able to buy a Lyman Alaskan NIB, which CMP says is the proper scope for the 03A4. So now I have a scope with nothing to use it on since I also don't own an M1C or M1D and only have some CMP M1 Garands. :-(
My uncle had a lot of guns, some of which I saw at his place in Pennsylvania. He lived near several open fields, and towards the end of his life became a varmint shooter. But he had his big guns, too, for Alaska and Canada. Somewhere in the middle of these was an Enfield, the old P16 military rifle. In 30-06, of course. When he passed, his kids made a mincemeat of what I was supposed to get (I'm the only real shooter in my generation of family), and all I got was that Enfield. Which was fine. But my uncle, for some reason which I would like to ask him someday when I pass, butchered the rear sight and put a railway tie of a stock on it. One of those "sporterized" military rifles. Because of the hacked up sight, I was more or less defeated putting a scope on it, so I had to use the peep sight. I'm now 73, so you can guess how well that went over back then (this was about 10 years ago). Anyway, I enjoyed it and reloading for it, then gave it to my grandson, currently in the Marines. I'll let him enjoy all that recoil, courtesy of that steel butt plate.
The fuuuuuuuddd lore is strong in this one. However mostly a good video. I enjoyed it.
What I wouldn’t give for a Ron Spomer video on the Remington 760/7600s. Slick old rifles, were real popular here years ago for drives.
My current load out of my Savage Axis 30 06 is a 165 Accubond at 2950.
I shot my first deer in 1974 in Michigan with a model 700 BDL in 30-06. I had a K2.5x scope with the duplex reticle. That was 68 years after the 30-06 came out and 50 years ago now. Get right with Jesus because this life is a flash.
Great Show Ron.
Very nice, thanks. I just watched this right after tonight's episode with the blr takedown.
Love the '06 and its offspring, the 270 Win, 2506 Rem, and my new passion, the 33806!
Great info guys! A little creative with terminology, but great (example: technically a "heat shield", it's called an upper handguard.). The 30-06 is useful for ANY North American game.
I inherited my father’s 1903a3 that he unfortunately sporterized, trigger job, Lyman sights, stock, etc. One of the finest shooting rifles I have in my collection, and will never part with it
My go to rifle is a 28 year old Ruger 77 MKII All Weather in 30-06. I bought it new and before I fired the first round I took it to a gunsmith who specialized in competition rifles. Glass bedded action, trued bolt face, 2.5 lb trigger. It shoots great. If I had to chose one rifle from my collection and let all others go, it would be my pick. We know each other. 30-06 is a great, versatile cartridge for North America.
Yes, the 8x57mm cartridge was truly a great and influential cartridge. Yet it was developed in a very short time by a committee. That's the story you need to tell. 😮
My very first service rifle given to me by my grandfather when i was just 10 years old, a 1903 Springfield. That was 47 years ago and granddad is gone now but myself and my kids still enjoy shooting this old gun, maybe some day I'll pass it on to one of my grandson's.
I have a Winchester 95 which was issued with Theodore Roosevelt Roughriders chambered in 30-03.
It’s my understanding that the Winchester 95 was the original weapon that was issued the 30-03 but I know his story and I could be wrong.
Really hoping to see a BAR mkii for 06 week
You guys can tout your 1903 Springfields all you want. I'll keep my Enfield Pattern 1917 thank you.
The 1917 is "Model" or "Model of". "Pattern" is Brit nomenclature and only applied to the P-13 and P-14.
No actually many more US servicemen in world War 1 were issued the Model of 1917 Enfield..
Not 1906 Springfield?
I feel super privileged to be in knowledge of both the 30 ought 6 and the 6.5 creedmoor... Both hunt well and target shoot even better.
"Aught," it's derived from British "naught."
Loved this video, and I'm really looking forward to more 30-06 videos! Worth adding a bit of context on the 1,000 yard iron sights and accuracy of the 03 Springfield. The 30-06 is certainly lethal out to 1,000, even Martini Henry rifles have killed soldiers past 1,500 yards in combat. However the context is, and this is very important, volley fire. Nobody expected even the best shooters of the time to shoot a single rifle and hit a target at 1,000 yards, but with enough rifles and enough bullets you can suppress and even hit enemy troops at those ranges in combat. So not so much about individual men, but the collective work of a entire platoon, firing at another large group of soldiers.
The other thing about accuracy of WW1 and WW2 period rifles is their standard for accuracy was far different than we have today. A sweet shooting "sniper rifle" was a rifle often capable of around 2moa, sometimes even 2-3, while standard rifles shot more like 4-6. So that's significantly worse than a store bought "cheap" Ruger American off the shelf, or about the same as a standard military issue AR-15 or AK-74. That's not to say those old sniper rifles were inaccurate, around 2moa is a very functional practical accuracy level and shooter skill is most important, but it really does go to show just how far modern rifles have come in accuracy.
(also as a aside, the USA wasn't the first nation to bring a semi auto battle rifle to the field, that was done in WW1, and Russia already had the SVT-40 too, which is quite excellent. The USA was the first however to field it on a mass scale to all standard army infantry troops. In other nations the semi auto battle rifles were in smaller numbers and issued only to elite units.)
You need a ruger 77 and 760s and 740 7400 7600 lol I have seen multiple truck loads of deer shot in the same day with 06s back in the day everyone you ran into in the woods had a 06 most of em where pump guns around here
I think you mean Model 70 rather than 77.
Another great video. I really have been enjoying watching your videos lately. You too are great together. I will say the 30-06 is not my most favored cartridge, but it is definitely a great one.
Guys your "bromance" is getting better, I'm seeing you two more and more, very enjoyable to watch you guys talk everything gun and cartridge related, keep it comming. 😅
30-06 is one of my all time favorite cartridges. Ive been using it for close to 30 years now and have taken all of my firsts with it. Killed my first whitetail, elk, black bear, moose, and caribou with the 30-06.
Fantastic Video Ron! Been a fan for years reading your articles to now watching your videos.
Hope 30-06 week includes an episode about handloading & ammo in general. Cartridge’s versatility, which lends itself to handloading, is one or its most valuable characteristics.
Not much you can't do with the 30.06. 🇺🇲 My favorite hunting cartridge for elk.
Thanks for the video, Ron and Joseph.
Looking forward to all the vids to follow this week!
Fun Fact: original WW1 production model 1917 rifles chambered in 30-06 are still in active military service with the Sirius Dog Sled Patrol. They keep the ol 06 around in case they have an unfortunate run in with an angry polar bear.
The M1917 Enfield, probably an Eddystone (Remington's other plant), was more prevalent than the 1903 during the "Great War" and was Alvin York's rifle.
Alvin York trained on the 1903, but was issued when he got to Europe a 1917
3006 is iconic and so are Pendleton Shirts!
Great video Ron. You should go further back and do a video on the 30-40 krag.
Keep up the good work
Interesting video. My local pawn shop has an M1 Garand described as Korean vintage.
When I started reloading, I started with the .30-06 in a 1917 Enfield. That was 1963. I've reloaded thousands of cartridges since, the largest was the .416 Rem. My current project I've worked on since 2013, a .256 Win. Mag. In my 1894 Marlin. I haven't perfected it yet but my hopes are high.
Great video! I was unaware that the 30-30 is so old..
Love the videos with Joseph
I really hope they have a Remington 760/7600 pump in 30-06