What is the best designed 30 caliber rifle cartridge? Part 3
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- This video has the following matchups. 300 Weatherby Magnum vs 300 Holland and Holland (H&H), 30 Nosler vs 300 PRC, 300 Remington Ultra Magnum (RUM) vs 30-378 Weatherby Magnum, 308 Norma Magnum vs 300 Winchester Magnum.
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300 H&H magnum vs 300 weatherby. Why would you ever pick the H&H over the weatherby? Well, it has less recoil than the weatherby making it easier for the average hunter to handle, it produces magnum ballistics basically matching the performance of the most popular 300 magnums, particularly the 300 win mag, so it basically does the work of the most common level of 300 magnum performance and does so with a more reasonable level of recoil, which contributes to better shooting. The weatherby basically only adds a bit more range but at the expense of more powder and more recoil.
Less barrel wear, more practice equaling better shooting, reloading can be a factor, availability, affordability, etc. Squeaking out a few pounds and a few fps is irrelevant to game acquisition. 2,200# will drop it but 2,150# will only tickle it?? Then jump up a full caliber.
300 H&H all the way.
Very good video and I own a 300 H&H Magnum . Basically you can only buy 180 grain factory ammo for this baby BUT I reload for mine and I can use a good variety of lighter or heavier bullets without hurting the chamber . I use slower burning powders for my 26 inch barrel and she shoots tight groups . Love the H&H Magnum . Thanks for the good schooling !!!!
Dave Cook
Thank you for watching!
300 win mag basically was Winchester not wanting to be outdone in the magnum market, I was always fascinated with the 308 and the 358 Norma mag
Very well thought out video. 300PRC considerations were extremely interesting. When I sold guns and ammo in the early 2000s, people preferred the 30-378Wby over the 300RUM. At that time, factory rifles chambered in 30-378Wby were better quality and more accurate. There's no comparison between a Weatherby MkV Accumark and anything Remington was producing at that time. No one in my area was building custom rifles in 300RUM.
Thank you! Interesting info on the 30-378 Weatherby
I have shot the rum and it is a accurate cartridge the thing with either of these cartridges is recoil unless they have muzzle breaks which requires you wear some kind of hearing protection when you are hunting as well
@@scottscheuerman6170 Or we could shoot suppressed??
I don’t know how I missed this video I have a 300 H&H and it does shoot incredibly well its in a old pre 64 Winchester model 70 and it will clover leaf 180 grain flat base hornady spire points at 100 yards it shoots great and it actually has less recoil for the tapper of the cartridge than my other 300 mags
Thanks for watching
You can fire 300 H&H in a 300 Wetherby to get 300 Weatherby casings. It is just a blown out 300 H&H.
I hadn’t thought about that, thanks for the info!
My choice is a 300 H&H Like the 375 H&H they earned there place in history.
If I was to buy a new rifle it would be a .300 PRC.
Years ago I wanted a .50 cal rifle in .500 AS but there was a financial obstetrical so my barrel maker advised a parallel throat 1 in 14 twist it could shoot 500 to 750 gr bullets 550 cast drive them fast.
I worked out well.
This is the same concept as the PRC cartridges Tight match grade chamber long parallel throat ,accurate rifle.
Good comment, thanks!
I'm seeing angry faces in the future when you pick the 300PRC for the over all winner 😁 I'll fully support your discussion 👍🙏✌
There will be some upset folks no matter what I pick. Hopefully everyone realizes it’s just fun to think about these things, and it’s only my opinion
@@hopefulballistics just wait till you do the 6.5s. Have a good weekend man. Looking forward to the next matchup 🍻 cheers
I personally will go with availability, the 7 MM Rem Mag(Identical 7PRC) and the 300 Win Mag(Identical 300PRC). But I'm getting a Magnum lengh rifle( Vanguard or other) and have it rebarreled for either 7RM or 300WM. Same magazine but can seat out the 168-180 grns 7RM( To bad Rem didn't use the 300 WM case for the 7RM) or the 190-200 grns 300 WM and gain a bit of case cap. Rifle $500 Used ($700 new)and $500-700 Barrel ($1000 if carbon)
Makes sense, thanks
Pairing the 300 H&H with the 300 Wby is comparing apples to oranges. The 300 Wby was always set to outperform the Holland & Holland from its inception. It’s like comparing any magnum 30 cal with the 30-06, which is ridiculous. First the 308 Norma (necked down 338 Win Mag), then the 300 Win Mag, where specifically designed to meet 300 H&H specs, in a cheaper long action. So this is where the comparison should have been. Did Winchester or Norma outdo Holland & Holland? The answer is no. The Win Mag needs 4 to 5 grains more powder to achieve the same velocity as the H&H, and the 300 H&H can also shoot a 250 grain bullet faster than the Win Mag. The Norma, which is a better design than the 300 Win Mag, comes short as well.
If you compare the 300 WSM and the 300 Holland & Holland, you’ll see they are very evenly matched, down to the amount of powder used in reloading. It’s just a matter of theoretical accuracy between the two. The WSM is more practical, but the H&H feeds so much smother.
All the “ultra” magnums are unnecessary, just step up to a 338 Win Mag for Pete’s sake. At some point it’s just a case of diminishing returns, and more frontal area becomes more useful than speed. I dislike inefficient cartridges.
I appreciate your, well thought out, comment. Thanks for watching! I’m having with this, and will probably miss a few things
@@hopefulballistics I went down this rabbit hole years ago. My conclusion was .308 is extremely prolific, but not enough punch compared to the 30-06. Which, according to the greats in the hunting world, is bar none, the most flexible carriage ever. You can shoot a 110 V-Max to a 220 grain Partition. Then you have your magnums. The 300 WSM is efficient and the most practical, chambered in all rifles. The 300 H&H, also more efficient than the other magnums, was dethroned by an inferior round, because a true magnum action was more expensive to manufacture. Winchester, looking at the Norma, made the neck less than one caliber to get more powder in the cartridge. Unless you reload, you wouldn’t know how inefficient the 300 Win Mag is.
For me, the ultra mags have too much muzzle blast and recoil for a lowly 30 cal. Step up to a 338 Win Mag, the quintessential elk cartridge.
As for me, rolling into hunt camp with a 300 H&H might be nostalgic, but I know didn’t leave anything on the table. It also makes for amazing conversation. Thanks for the video. Looking forward to seeing all the episodes.
@@falba1492 I’ve never shot a 300 H&H, but it definitely ticks all the boxes for being awesome and classic
You said it best at the beginning. The 300-H&H has won competitions and is proven most definitely for African plains game animals including the Largest Elland. Also is the relationship of the recoil push. Recoil speed is slowed down for a more gentle impulse. All of your 30 magnum comparisons "Are Great Cartridges" . I own 3 of the ones you mention and for me and my small sample of just the three, the 300 H&H is more accurate, longer barrel life, less recoil impulse and if you handload velocities are just a little less than 2% of the 300 win. Mag. less than. 60 fps. Thanks for your discussion on these big boys.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Hi there Dave, very much enjoyed your history of the 300 H&H, back about two years ago.
The old Holland & Holland isn’t really on people’s radar any more, but for a cartilage that hadn’t had rifles in continuous production for over 60 years, it holds on because of how accurate and efficient it is. Everyone that has one, sings its praise, and we prefer it to to the other 300 magnums. The 300 Wby also has a cult following, but I’d rather step up to the 338 Win Mag at that point.
Those of us using the 300 H&H are all reloaders, and typically have more than one 30 cal. I believe it says a lot, most of these men go thru the trouble of shooting a cartridge that is not an “off the shelf” option. Rifles and brass are not easy to come by.
During the powder shortage I switched from H4831SC, to StaBall 6.5. Would be happy to share load data if you ever need it. H4350 is also a great powder, but that has become hard to find as well.
Best of luck to you, you’re obviously in the know. God bless.
The 300 H and H can be loaded to 3000 fps with the 180 gr.
bullet. Chronographing my 300 Weatherby with a 24 inch barrel, I was getting 3150 fps only a 150 feet per second more.
Yeah it’s definitely snd improvement
300 WBY is for sure going to the Final 4! Wahoo! I personally would pick the 30 Nosler over the 300 PRC. At my elevation 230 gr bullets can easily stabilize with a 1in10 twist. As a hand loader you can get a bit more potential out of the 30 Nosler. Of course I'm biased ... I have taken a 30 Nosler out to 800 yards.
It was very hard, basically a toss up. I really do like the 30 Nosler more than I thought I would
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33 nosler on paper seems awesome to me. Wish it was more popular, and in a south paw gun found in Canada, that’s not custom
forget about it.
Best designed 30cal cartridge for moose/elk/bear hunting IMO: 300 WSM
Yep
I didn’t quite agree with a few of your matchups, but it would have left some very dissimilar cartridges compared and you end up right where you did. Good job.
Thanks for watching!
I got the 300 rum when it first came out, i liked thr power level ammo 1 2 and full power. It did work well then ammo became almost non existent around me. Still like the gun and its a good shooter. Was very versatile back when now its just a huge cannon. 😊
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There is no replacement for cubic inch, but do u need it.
I still like my 243 win rpr over the 6 creed.
Twist being equal.
Barrel equal.
I go back and forth on the 243 and 6 creed
Tikka is coming out with a fast twist 1:8” 243 this year. They already do this with the 22-250. I just wish there 30 cal’s were at least 1:10” and not 1:11”.
@@falba1492 that’s cool!
243 is my all time favorite.
300H&H is everybody's favourite cartridge that nobody uses
Probably true
There's only one thirty caliber magnum and that's Roy Weatherby's magnificent 300. The ADS in the 60s said it has thunder bolt power. All holdover Teachings are ignored at least for the first mile. When you are armed with one of these rifles you're adequately equipped for game the world over. It matters not if it's deer elk moose bear or African Cape Buffalo or Elephant.
As a swede I have to go with 308 norma mag.
I appreciate the comment
@@hopefulballisticsNils Kvale at Norma factory was the father of 308 NM and The big brother 358 NM. 358 is the perfekt moose cartridge.
The neck of the 300 win mag is not .264 in diameter, but I'm sure you meant length.
You’re right
The 300 Weatherby Magnums muzzle blast and recoil is glorious.
And it hitting power. Shoot a 220 gr. round nose bullet out of a 300 Weatherby you'll see what I mean.
Probably short action/ ver long action 30 cal whould have been better for me
I do not like big 30s for the deer size game I hunt. The 30-06 is my preferred 30 çal cartridge. I think the plain 280 Remington is the best all round medium game cartridge but use the 30-06 because it is common. If I need more power. I'd skip over too larger bore 33 caliber .
Since the discussion is about 30 çal. I agree 300 PRC is the winner. I hate belted cases because I'm a hand loader that likes to control my headspace by shoulder bump pluse you can feel the belt when feeding from the magazine. Minor issues though I must admit.
If I planned a trip to Africa for plains game with a big 30 it would be 300 Win Mag because of commonality. It do admit it makes the most sense. Best 30 case design is the PRC. We are lucky to have so much to choose from. I really like all of them. Never met a Cartridge I did not like . Just prefer some over others. Strawberry, vanilla, chocolate.
This was a great comment! I don’t disagree with anything you said, but I might end up using different cartridges. I appreciate your feedback
Just wondering why 300 Blackout wasn't in the contest. Not saying it needs to be but just wondering why it wasn't. Thanks.
I didn’t exclude it for a particular reason. Just had to pick a limited amount, and I went with these
@hopefulballistics OK cool thanks for answering. Keep up the great videos.
The 300 H&H Magnum, smooth feeding, even powder burn...designed first and last as a medium game hunting cartridge and still available. Forget reloading these days. The 30-06 and the 308 were designed to be an antipersonnel cartridge. The Rem, Nosler and Weatherby are nasty to shoot, period. So is the Win Mag. And you can buy some very handsome hunting rifles chambered in the H&H. Show some taste and class.
Plenty of class in other cartridges as well.
Which is the best 30 caliber cartridge? That is extremely subjective because everyone has their own preferences. One wants the fastest, one wants the best bc. One wants the most popular, etc. But I bet if you considered how long has each been around, how many have been produced and in satisfactory use, which are the most versatile, which are the most user friendly, which has taken the most game, which are the most popular world wide, and availability, just for starters, how much do you want to bet the 30-06 comes out on top?
Why would you not include the 300 Norma Mag. Great round and may be best of the bunch
It is what it is. Thanks for watching
Would you shoot a 55lb bow over a 70lb because of efficiency? If a person can shoot a magnum accurately it’s better period with rifles..
Based on your logic… 50 BMG always wins.
No 300 wsm? One of the best designs
You need to watch all the parts of this series.
Best? That would be most versatile and using the widest variety of powders and bullet weights. That would mean 30-06. Or 308 Norma mag. There's a reason the army is using Norma. 300 H H is great as well.
Inherent accuracy 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@greybone777 thanks
I love Nosler bullets but they intentionally load Weatherby cartridges down. It’s their competition of course they would.
Interesting
This post from this expert is supposed to be about the best cartridge, not marketing hype, reputation or shear case capacity. All of the blown out 30 magnums fall far short of the virtues of the 300 H&H. They double headspace on both the belt and the shoulder. What can go wrong? Unless chamber and cartridge dimensions are exquisitely accurate and consistent they headspace on one, not both. Is it any wonder the H&H is more accurate, everything else being equal? Second, the long gradually tapered case burns powder more efficiently. Why? Simple compressible flow dynamics. Pressure drop through a gradually tapered diameter reduction is less than through a sharp shouldered sudden reduction. Take a look at artillery ammunition. You won’t see sharp shoulders. If this technology driven comparison were about cartridge design it would be over quickly with nothing equaling the 300 H&H on technical merits.
I appreciate your opinion.
308 Norma.... if belts don't bother you....
🕵️♂️ Since you are Evaluating the "Ideal Cartridge" and "Efficiency" is part of the equation, here is the problem! As the cases get larger, their use of powder becomes more "Inefficient"! Also, the "Ideal Case" Would Utilize the "Ideal Pressures" - I.E. 65,000 psi! So, in this contest, only 3 cartridges meet that criteria and they are the biggest cases on the right side of the bracket! 😂 So, What Are You Going To Do? 😜
I’m taking one round at a time. Lol. Efficiency is definitely part of it, but it’s overall design more specifically
Inquiring Minds Want to Know??? 😜
🤔 So, when I look at both the 300 wsm (63,817 psi) and the 270 wsm (65,000 psi), I would have to give the Victory to the 270 wsm! 😜 What are your thoughts? 😁
@@ronlowney4700 I’m not sure at this time. Currently I’m all about the 270 WSM, but that could always change.
Same with the 308 (62,000 psi) and the 7mm-08 (61,000 psi)! 😜 See the "Delema" here for you? 😯 If, in fact, it is just about "Effeciency" - if it just pertains to "just the cartridge/chamber" and not to the B.C. of the bullet! 🤯
The best designed cartridge is the one that fits a persons needs, I personally love the 30/378, and 300 Weatherby. I would not want a 300 H&H
Europe - very , very classy , and anything they invent like 300 H&H, is for a REASON.
America - none classy , legging behind with famous “ more is better “ causes me sickness.
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😴😴😴😴 Wake me up when you get to the best designed 270 caliber. Of course we all know which one will Win
Lol. Right, the 6.8 SPC
A fast twist 270 Win, with a 26” barrel, is one hell of a cartridge to be reckoned with. Magnum performance, without the recoil.
270wsm
300 win mag basically was Winchester not wanting to be outdone in the magnum market, I was always fascinated with the 308 and the 358 Norma mag