At 18:51, you say Gia when you mean Jess was sitting home, twiddling her thumbs. Anyone watching the entire video would know what you meant but you may want to correct it.
I sadly can’t edit a video once it’s posted but I’ll pin your comment and it will be the first people see should they scroll down!! Thank you for catching that 😄🩷 And yes I did mean Jess!
I'm sorry but Jess paid for a service she did not receive at the behest of Gia. Period. Sorry to Gia but your health issues do not give you the right to scam someone.
All she had to do was reschedule or refund. I have sudden "bad days" and I make sure to reschedule and be honest with people for appointments. Gia is just scamming and I wonder what investments she made in this time period?
Now it makes sense that she was unable to be there because of hot weather. I have POTS and I get pretty bad during summer. But I also know to not schedule things during hot weather and to manage my illness to avoid being unable to work when I need to. I would try my best to make up for the missed days too
All she had to do was either partial refund or redistribute the funds. Meaning give part of it back or be like hey I know i canceled a lot due to personal reasons I'll take X% and put it towards next month and you'll only owe Y amount instead of Z amount.
@@ragdollrose2687and if you couldn’t you’d at least give their money back partially. At least I would as a chronically ill person myself. I know how random chronic illness and pain can be but rescheduling or partially refunding would be the right thing for us to do bc of that.
Gia needs to realise that providing a lesson plan is NOT the same as providing the education or mentorship she was paid for. It's maybe argument that the refund shouldn't be 100% but ot should still be the majority of it
Before all of the hullabaloo online, it would have been really smart for Gia to do that previously. But at this point with what Gia has inadvertently admitted to, and what her and Jess's texts both prove: she gave a slam dunk slander case to Jess's lawyer, hook, line and sinker. Gia not signing the paperwork would only be done for one reason. If you did not want a legal backing for a student to come after you. Unfortunately for Gia's plan to keep scamming unknown artists, Jess took the risk to her own name and career as an unknown artist, to whistle blow metaphorically on a shitty boss. Gia is acting all high and mighty, but I'm wondering if it's genuinely a mental health issue, because that's delusions of grandeur, she doesn't actually have any of the legal standing she is saying. There are multiple paper trails of her repeatedly doing this to unknown artists and trying to bully them into silence. Legally speaking, Gia screwed the pooch on this one. The only person who has legal backing to sue, is Jess. And Jess/ all of us, only have the proof and legal backing to do so--because Gia kept running her mouth in an ego trip online. She would have done perfectly fine after this if she had either said I'm so sorry I really messed up, I've been having a really hard time and refunded Jess, or if she had said nothing from the beginning and let a PR and legal team handle it. A professional PR campaign and a really skeezy lawyer can make all sorts of stuff go away. Gia would have been perfectly fine with a big sob story released- spun only focusing on her health and other struggles........you know, the things that only truly affected her a fraction of the days she lied to Jess, and told her "oops sorry, you're 3 hours into your 5-hour drive, turn around, it's too hot" 🤣😂🤣😂 I'm going to see if I can come up with both of the options for the sob story speech that Gia is going to be told to use-- BEFORE she releases it. 🤣😂🤣 A fun little game for myself
The LENGHTS that ppl go to avoid saying: "i made a mistake, I'm sorry". It´s obviously not about the money cause Gia is probably paying that lawyer way more than she took for not giving her mentorship.
Absolutely, Gia hasn't had to take responsibilities for her actions from scamming previous unknown artist students. The other apprentices stayed silent for fear of the backlash, that she apparently has a paper trail of evidence of. She was betting that throwing in comments of the industry and sponsors would be enough to get Jess to back off. Jess, however, is betting that the law is going to uphold the law, rather than just sitting back and taking it on the nose that she got scammed out of $6,000 from someone she thought she really admired.
I don't understand why she didn't offer a partial refund. $8k for 3 months is pretty insane. Even doing a fast-track program with college credits to get certified as an EMT-Basic in my state doesn't cost that much!! I'm not sure how many days a week that 3 months was for, and I know it obviously probably includes days where they just video chat/share their work/do homework etc. But seems that keeping like $1000 and refunding the rest would be the right move here.
At risk of sounding like a whole hippie (I’m a clinician in oncology, case management, and an educator, and have faced the “you’re weird” stigma until I proved it untrue). People, in general, have lost humility, empathy, our human connection. At its core, our society encourages frustration and apathy. It sometimes is very hard, but much can be resolved and understood by compassion in the face of adversity. Simplicity can be complicated. It’s hard, being a sub culture of our own to see “infighting” being so commonplace. Particularly so publicly. There are people and practices that do need to be exposed I suppose, but the tit for tat, hate boners are wild. I’m thinking a lot of people who have been physically harmed and scarred by people that do not belong here vs financial legal battles, but alas… I might be talking idealism rainbows right out of my unicorn ass 😂😂😂!!!! All my love to everyone! Stay safe, wave your freak flag high and proud, you’re beautiful! 💋
You’re so damn right. I’m convinced that a lot of relationships could be repaired and wrongs could be righted just by us learning to say those exact words; “I messed up. I was wrong. I’m sorry.” But those words involve one of our most messy attributes.. the ego. I’m trying hard to say that phrase to my kids when I need to. So many parents never say sorry to their kids and I really think that learning how to say sorry (and mean it! And then act accordingly, of course) needs to start at a young age.
“Handle it like an adult” is what my mom would say when abusing me because apparently defending yourself is childish. That quote says all I need to know
Exactly. Amd the whole "I've gotten over it, why haven't you" bit. It's just a repackaged "quit bringing up the past" bs that abusers use to shut down their victims when they try to advocate for themselves.
I'm so sorry that happened to you, abusers so often do this to their victims, it's a form of gaslighting I've experienced with partners, unfortunately :(
Ironic, I've used that phrase towards my abusive ex many times lol but I understand what you mean. She's gaslighting left and right, it's crazy she thinks she's gonna talk her way out of being essentially a liar
Exactly. Getting lawyers involved and dragging ts out when in comparance to Jess showing all relevant info all you have is an immense amount of bellyaching. It's just making her reputation look worse and worse bc I'd assume those lawyer consultations cost more than a full refund would.
Agreed, this is all about ego and narcissism. How Gia Responded was a reaction to "someone challenging her greatness", "the amazing and powerful Oz" type of ego and narcissism. Although it stems from insecurity, and comes about as a well-built distraction from the lack of belief in oneself, and imposter syndrome within the industry. Do I feel bad for her clear impostor syndrome? Yes, absolutely! Gia should feel very comfortable in the work she does, and embrace the position!! Do I also think she acted completely foolishly, let her ego get the better of her, and made herself the current microscope specimen? Oh 100%!! I know Freud, Jung, or somebody else Is laughing in their grave as Gia projected ll of her issues onto Jess, and hypocritically acused her of everything that she did to Jess..... But coming from the opposite direction. She is 'used to bullying unknown artists into this', as there is apparently a well-documented track record spanning many artists, over years of time. 🤷♀️ So yeah, I feel for her; it seems like she legitimately has some stuff going on. But lying, passing the blame, and running scams on unknown artists knowing that most of them wouldn't risk standing up for themselves and calling her out..... Is really really really icky. Is this a character flaw? Okay then fix it. Is this a trauma response? Then this needs to be brought up in therapy, and have medication discussed with the trusted provider. This is inappropriate behavior, and very reminiscent of a friend's, when she is unmedicated. I don't believe in armchair diagnoses, but the the behaviors that line up are pretty staggering. The simultaneous depression and insecurity, saddled with a touch of delusions of grandeur. The automatic twisting of reality is either Gia being an asshole manipulator, or Gia showing what she genuinely has led herself to believe. So, I don't know if I should be 'hoping for' either option.. Gia being a lying asshole egotist, or Gia being an unmedicated person who I feel for, but recognize it is their responsibility to get themselves medicated We get to choose how we live the world in our bodies, but those rights stop at the line when affecting other people's lives. While they decide to experience their life without their mind and hormones in check; the people in their life have the same right to walk away and say 'you aren't allowed to treat me like this'. Instead of sucking it up and trying to work her way into the industry despite unhinged Behavior, Jess stood up and nicely said hey, this really stinks. I really wanted this to work, but this artist is doing something really shady and I don't think I'm crazy thinking this. Jess threw no ad hominem attacks, didn't return any slander, and wasn't creating cyclical arguments to distract from her scamming.
Sounds to me like Gia is a bit angry that Jesse’s NDA slipped through the cracks. I feel like Jesse is fully free to speak about her experience and show her messages and the syllabus in full. Gia requiring an NDA for her first ever mentorship seems a bit odd and i definitely don’t believe this was her first paid mentorship or apprenticeship since she’s lied multiple time and deleted it when Jesse shows proof that Gia is lying.
@Celestial_Kumiho 100%!! Gia did a very good job on doing Jess's lawyer's job. 😂🙃 She set herself up, lied, taped herself lying, did it again, legally attempted slander of Jess, was truly trying to Gaslight her and use her position in the industry to bully her into silence as she had the other artists, and tried to pull the scam that she perfected. The fact that Gia hadn't signed the contract or had it notarized, shows that Gia had pre-planned (and its actionable proof) to screw over Jess. Gia has ZERO legal standing for suing Jess for showing her pages online, and she lost that claim to damages to intellectual property when she set Jess up and didn't sign the contract!!!! 🥳🎉🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 It's genuinely and completely poetic; absolutely hilarious!!! This is why people say what happens in the dark will come to the light, it might not be from your situation, but someone else is down the line will bring everything to light and you will get your chance to see Karma collecting on the world's closet skeletons.
@@treacletatts74 minutes of edited videos in one day. I can only imagine how long filming and editing took overall today. We appreciate your dedication!
I'm still on the side of Jess. If you take money you have to also give the education you've promised. Non-refundable doesn't mean you can not fulfill your part of the deal. If you don't want to get harmed, maybe don't try to scam people. Might be an idea. Gia also cost Jess money on top of what she paid by having her close shop for a teaching day, then having her start to drive to her and then cancel the day of (or shortly before so she would also probably not have been able to book a client). She may not handled everything perfectly but she probably felt very much alone. And by how Gia reacted you can see she doesn't intend on giving her back any amount of money, probably thinking she is safe from having to refund even though she didn't uphold her part. There may be more coming up and I'm willing to listen but so far Gia couldn't convince me.
I feel like it is an argument of fraud tbh. You can't just sit there and expect certain things. Also maybe gia should have picked closer people and do it during dead season so it is not as bad
Yep, Gia was expecting Jess to stay silent in order to not affect her potential career. Gia bullied others into silence, she thought she could do the same thing again. However,Jess has plenty of proof, Gia taped herself lying multiple times and posted it, didn't sign her own paperwork after receiving the signed paperwork back from Jess for over a month, and everything else we see happening! Not to mention the other people now feeling comfortable enough with their own proof. I know the ones with NDAs are sitting here screaming oh my God finally!!
Can y'all imagine showing up to work only eight random ass days amongst an entire month?? The quickness with which you would be fired would be astonishing 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 But Gia really said I'm not going to do my job that you ✨️✨️pre fcking paid me for**, because I don't want to, because it's hot, because we're about to have bad weather?? LMAO I truly feel bad for Gia's lawyer, he is slamming his head against the wall while screaming "oh my God stop it, shut up", as Jess's lawyer is sitting there saying "ah yes, fantastic, please continue, wow you'll admit that and prove yourself lying..... please keep talking!"
Jess probably knew that Gia has a whole army/mafia of tattoo artists willing to defend and do anything for Gia. So yeah she may not have handled it perfectly but in her defense she was up against a power house that held so much fucking power. If I was her I wouldn’t feel like I had a lot of choices.
My 5 year old is listening to this in the background and asked did she really do that?? I explained a lady turned up to be taught by a teacher and paid lots of money, but the teacher didn't show up and demanded the money anyway. He replied, "that's not nice!". See Gia, my kid gets it, why can't you?😂
@lms1068Awww 💕💕💕 hahahaha, sweet little babe, Momma's raising you with respect for others and wonderful manners! Can you imagine how awesome/chaotic things would be if people who wanted to sue or debate politics, had to explain exactly what they think to their child??!? 🤣😂🤣😂🤷♀️🤷♀️ Kids are quick, understand fairness more than many adults, and have more pure intentions than adults!!!
Let me start by saying that I too suffer from chronic health issues and was recently approved for disability, so I am not saying this to be smarmy; if Gia's health issues are such that she has to frequently cancel, perhaps she shouldn't be offering mentorships. I am still in camp Jess, and believe she deserves her money back as well. I'm pretty sure I remember from the first video Jess saying that some of these cancellations occurred when she was already on the road. This is unnecessary gas wasted and wear and tear on her vehicle. I also fully agree that it's beyond time to let the lawyers handle this, and not the court of public opinion.
THIS. I was saying exactly this to my husband while listening to the video. I too have to deal with chronic health issues to the point I work terribly underpaid job for dummies while having university degree from science major. Health issues are a problem that sucks. It ruins your life plans. It ruins your everyday life. But when Gia is aware of her situation then she shouldn't be offering some service, while she knows very well she may not be able to provide properly. And if it was sudden health worsening she should've just apologised and returned the money, it's that simple. It wouldn't have to evolve in this public pity party.
Adding on as well as a chronically ill gworl. It's not Jess's issue Gia is sick, but Gia needs to stop scamming and think it's OK because Jess got a basic ass syllabus thinking that's an in depth lesson plan that can be copyrighted.
Agree. I likewise have some disabilities and the reality is it does limit what I can do. I have and do occasionally do lessons in various arts and crafts, but I limit them to one day events for a small handful of people organized usually a month ahead of the class day. That gives me time to prep my body and mind, and make sure I'm not overbooking. And, if I can't make the day... Well it's pay at the door anyway. They only pay once at the class and everything is going ahead.
I was about to leave a similar comment. I have much sympathy for those with chronic illnesses. But if you know that about yourself, you need to either do things you know you can commit to or maybe have a clause in your contract that explains you may need to take days off unexpectedly. And offer makeup sessions.
I had to quit my absolute dream job (literally a job I had wanted for 35+ years) because it caused a mild health condition I had to flare up into an issue I now have to deal with on a daily basis. I was heartbroken, but I couldn’t, in good conscience, continue to let the rest of my co-workers down (and putting my work load on their plates) just because I was unwilling to accept the truth - I could no longer do what I had been dreaming of for the majority of my life. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but the world doesn’t revolve around one person…
As someone that has a chronic disorder, it is still up to me to make sure I can serve my clients properly. That means only taking a few clients at a time and ending my workday before 4pm. It also means working only 4 days out of the week. I do this because I know if push past my ability it can lead to me calling out sick and canceling. As business owners we are responsible for managing our chronic illness to the best of our ability. Yes, I make less money but at least I have a good reputation...and hopefully longevity.
@@evad15 Gia is being short sighted and it shows who she is 100%. This situation did nothing to fix her reputation in my eyes at all, don't care how good her work is.
Loving Gia's "but wait, you guys didn't even see everything yet - here's all the horrible ways my lawyer and I threatened and tried to intimidate her! Doesn't that make you feel foolish for presuming my guilt?!"
tbh Gia thanking her friends and sponsors is more than a subtle brag. it's her signaling that she has power and connections in the industry and that if you don't side with her, there will be consequences. I still can't wrap my head around what she gains from doing this ... surely there are easier get rich quick schemes 🤣
You're absolutely right... And why she thinks she's fooling anybody with "its just a thank you" says a lot. Some people get in trouble thinking they're smarter than everyone else... Hopefully karma fixes the situation.
@@jspaingreene6350 it's an odd placement for sure. Thanking brands and other big artists for no reason other than to tell her "you won't have anyone in this industry on your side of you keep this up." Gia could have kept this offline but she didn't because she thinks her son story is enough. She doesn't get there's plenty of us who are working when ill because we have little other choice. When I was self employed and needed to take time off for an illness, my dad helped me make phone calls and I returned people's deposits for services (of they paid already) and told them once I am better, I will sure up reschedule dates; only made tennetive ones at the time. If they really needed services, I referred them to another person who can help them. THAT'S what you do: reschedule and refund, apology. Not threaten people paying for her lifestyle
MAN, people need to learn the definition of defamation. Everybody cries defamation as soon as somebody says something about them that is unflattering. Both of these people could be perfectly lovely in real life, for all I know; it's just that it feels like such a frivolous thing to tack onto an argument and waste lawyers on.
@@Gumbyloomyno she doesnt. Defamation isnt someone said something that makes me sound bad. Its that the person knew it was untrue and still said it happened. She has to prove that the person knew what they were saying was a lie. Hard to do. And that they said the things to intentionally harm the others business. This is not at all defaming someone. 1 person felt they got ripped off the other says they didnt. Even harder to prove for public figures.
@@Gumbyloomy Perhaps I missed some detail about something that Fox said that was knowingly untrue, then. Not saying you’re wrong; I absolutely may have missed it.
Yeah like doesn't it have to be that Jess was deliberately lying about something that didn't happen about Gia to ruin her character and affect her business when the fact that she flaked on the mentorship and made off with 6k for barely over a week's worth of work is true? It really does sound more like trying to subtly threaten Jess to take the videos down so she either seems to be in the wrong or to stifle more people knowing about it.
If Gia really really feels she should keep the money figure out the % that was 8 days and keep that. So keep $ for the actual training she gave and return the rest. With Gia being flaky with appointments and having health issues it boils down to attitude and communication. She is clearly well off enough to have a secretary to handle that if she can't. The "appointment is cancelled and we will work with you to fulfil our commitments and apologise for the inconvenience" is much better that cancelling no acknowledgement of the effect on that person and leaving them hanging when they have already paid.
The craziest to me is that Gia asked her to pay July in advance and then ended up cancelling every July mentoring day and basically telling Jess to F off. That sounds really scammy. Any decent person would at least give the last 2000 back right away.
I appreciate Gia has health issues, but according to Jess's reciepts, Gia never used her health as a reason to cancel a class, she gave very flaky reasons. And even if she had, she should still be reimbursing Jess for the time she herself couldn't provide what she promised. Also, I do wanna point out, just because someone tries to negotiate with you doesn't mean you have to accept that negotiation. If the terms are not suitable and youve expressed that, theres no reason to continue talking with them. If anything Gia's 'negotiation' was a legal threat, Jess was the one who actually suggested afair resolution. Also, I appreciate this is stressful for both parties but you reap what you sow, I dont have sympathy for Gia because she brought this on herself.
Absolutely, Gia proved herself that she lied multiple times. To find out that there was no such thing as the legal negotiation emails Gia lied about-- there were only hey can you do this pretty please type of emails from Gia's lawyer--- because Gia legitimately doesn't have any standing to do so!! It's just poetic man
There are verbal contracts which can be legally binding. If a judge were to find that both people were on the same page about a past agreement, and the dispute only occurred when one of them deviated from that plan, chances are the judge will see it as a breach of contract. Regardless of there being a physical, written document.
Implied and verbal contracts are legally binding. Especially when you have the texts to go with it. The texts themselves can be considered the contract. And yes, texts/Facebook posts/TikToks/YT videos/ all of it, are accepted in court as evidence.
@Fuffydud YUP!! It's quite poetic isn't it: the proof that Gia was intending on screwing another unknown artist over, expecting them to buckle under the pressure, is exactly what's being used to show her malintentions. Gia didn't sign or notarize the paperwork even after Jess did, and it was in Gia's possession, solely!!! For over a month after receiving Jess's Signature. That is clear proof of it being intentional, and if people want to get real picky about it, since it was in Gia's possession for that long, it doesn't matter whether she was trying to screw over Jess or not, she was being negligent of her own businesses best practices. You can't blame that on somebody else 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Since Gia never signed the paperwork, there is no legal backing to her going after Jess for intellectual property damages. Gia herself proved that she was lying, but truly seems to be having delusions of grandeur and has written her reality differently in her or head. Which is why I'm still giving room for grace on this might be a mental health issue that Gia is not taking responsibility of, that has now piled up fallen domino's from her inaction. Instead of of being an asshole egotist that's intentionally and maliciously scamming artists, which is not unheard of in the industry, maybe she is a crappy business owner that is floundering from not taking care of their Mental Health, also not unheard of in the industry 😂🤣🤣
What’s crazy to me is that Jess was trying to find a resolution with Gia and didn’t just “decide to suddenly quit”?? In her original vid, Jess shows texts of her trying to work out how to get days made up and work out scheduling. She does provide ending the mentorship as an option but it looked like Gia just immediately came back with “calling it” and not trying to work with Jess on a solution at all. So in my mind Gia chose to end it, not Jess.
Just wanna say that I have always had beef with Gia. She tattooed my best friend, my friend gave her a few elements (4: a hand, pomegranate, necklace, words) that she wanted in her tattoo after making a large deposit, she got to the tattoo studio and waited an hour for Gia to be ready. Gia came up with the design and it wasn’t at all what my friend asked for and Gia went “well I couldnt figure out what you wanted so here’s this you don’t have to get it” and my friend, who’s a people pleaser, was like okay and then spent $1,500 on a tattoo that was palm sized. I don’t trust Gia.
I think what Gia doesn’t realize is the days Jess plans on being in the studio for her mentorship’s she is OUT OF WORK- she can not schedule her job on days she expects to be spending tattooing. Then to cancel on her same day.. it’s not only disrespectful but it takes away Jess’s ability to schedule work. She can’t make money that day and isn’t using her time as planned to practice tattooing. It’s a waisted day. With the economy right now people can’t afford an unplanned day off. So for it to happen so many times really does hurt Jess in the long run, not only is she missing out on PAID mentoring time but she misses out on work opportunities.
@@Eleanore.Rigbyy Jess is the one who lost out, not Gia, as she claims. I had a salon owner who did me like this and was part of the reason I stopped working for her. Like OK, if I'm supposed to be being taught by you, minimal pay (shampoo girl wage), but then you cancel on me constantly? Nope nope nope.
It seems to me that Gia should not have accepted any mentorships before her place was done. Apparently that's been the biggest issue is that her shop wasn't in good working order. Im so confused. Jess was pit out 1000% more than Gia ever was UNTIL Jess got frustrated and called her out publicly when she wasnt getting the understanding she wanted. I can totally understand that. Especially if im driving four hiurs one way to pay someone to teach me.
Totally agree. She didn't take a single minute to consider whether her working place or her health would allow her to deliver the service she was getting paid for. She just wanted to take the bag and run.
Still on Jess' side after this and Gia has just shown herself to be more petty and unprofessional. She knows what she's done is shitty but she's never had to deal with consequences of it before because she has a name for herself. Now someone can actually speak up about her and she's shocked there are others when in any kind of situation this happens. Someone is the first to break the seal and the others follow. She's asked it be handled by lawyers and not thrown around publicly but she constantly makes jab remarks at Jess so I guess it's just Jess that's not allowed to discuss it publicly? I refuse to believe she is this stupid and actually thinks it's blackmail what Jess is asking. Jess is reasonably asking for her money back because she did not get what she paid for. To put it in another example, if I go to a movie theatre, pay for my ticket sit down to watch and after 10 minutes the movie stops, do you think the staff would say "lol sorry you saw some of the movie tho so we're keeping the money". Absolutely not. They'd be quickly trying to fix the issue or refund the money because I did not get the full experience. Also kind of showing that she has a shitty lawyer when they openly admit they've not looked through any of the claims and evidence of Jess supposedly doing these things but they give a jab "hey keep your client in check okay? :)". Gia is just making herself look worse.
As someone who is chronically ill, something that you need to accept is that you are simply not able to do as much work as someone who is not chronically ill. It is a hard thing to accept, but it is a reality that must be faced in order to not let down others and yourself when you inevitably are unable to keep promises of work you cant do
This right here! It's hard to accept that you just don't get to work at the same pace/strength you used to, but Gia also never once used health issues as her cancellation reasons, her actual reasons were so flaky, but now she falls back on health issues when under fire from others. I know she doesn't *have* to disclaim what the issues are, but it looks incredibly bad and in poor taste.
I went through one hell of a depression episode because of this. One minute you’re the “go to” person who everyone comes to for assistance whether it’s at work, friendships, at home, and all the sudden you realize that even though you’re giving MORE effort than before, you just can’t do as much. Things that were so simple before you now need help, the look of frustration on the faces of others because you couldn’t get what’s expected done, but they don’t say anything because they know it’s not entirely you’re fault. And then you notice tasks you’ve always done flawlessly are now delegated to someone else…even if no one is horrible to you about it (which is best case scenario) you can still see it in their faces when you have to admit that you couldn’t finish something… I still struggle with accepting this even now and I’ve had nothing but support since my diagnosis 5 years ago. It’s a really hard pill to swallow 😞 But it is reality. And as hard as it is to accept it’s better to be honest with yourself and set realistic expectations instead of agreeing to too much and hurting someone else as a result
Because she was on Ink Master, her ego exploded. She needs to sit down because some artists of her seasons she was on are definitely more famous than she is.
You gotta wonder how much money makes it worth it to go through all of this, you know? I feel like peace of mind is worth more than the few thousand bucks, so maybe one shouldn't promise a mentorship one can't be reliable for. This could end up costing her so much more in the end, particularly if she loses a legal battle. Thanks for the update (and a random time again 😂)!
@saintblackangel yeah, it shows that Gia is used to doing this with multiple other people, it wouldn't make sense to only pull this scam on one person. Gia's ego convinced her that she could do whatever she wanted, and as long as she name dropped or claimed some shit about her sponsors in every video, nobody would care that she was stealing money she had people prepay, and routinely telling them I'm a big name in the industry, you're wrong I'm right, I'll tell everyone you are lying even though you have proof!! Gia fcccked up this time however, Jess said it doesn't matter if my name gets screwed over with this, I'm hurt, this was an artist I wanted to learn from and looked up to, and she is doing some really shady shit with multiple people!
people will really scream and cry IM NOT MANIPULATIVE IM NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU while relying on the other person's kindness and understanding to twist the situation in their favor
as i see it, jess posted a public review of her unsatisfactory experience with the service she paid for and did not fully receive. i think its pretty standard (and not extortion/blackmail) to agree to take down a bad review if the business makes it right, e.i. a refund.
Jess paid for a service she didn't receive. That's the foundation of this whole dispute. Gia is trying to obscure that with legalese and attempts to portray herself as the victim, but at the end of the day, this other person paid for three months of mentorship and received eight days. If Gia had just owned up to not knowing what she was doing and being flaky when Jess originally raised her concerns, this whole thing could have been avoided; it definitely comes across like Gia only cares now because Jess decided to go public.
At the most, she could say "ok, we worked together for 8 days out of the full mentorship, here's my fee for this time and here's a partial refund" It's not that difficult if you don't want to scam people. What are going to be the legal fees on that anyways? It's not worth the struggle
Not to be mean, but as someone with 2 chronic conditions, any time I have gotten a new employer or am mentoring someone, I IMMEDIATELY make it known that I have a few conditions which may cause problems with the schedule. I also make sure to put it in writing and have it signed off on so that people can't come back and say that "I'm not fulfilling my responsibilities and didn't know that there may be problems which could extend the job." Now, this doesn't happen often with me but is still something that I make people aware of. They don't need to know what those chronic conditions are but they should be made aware and it should be in writing. If Gia didn't disclose that this was a possibility, then she's at the wrong. I don't know if she's always in pain or if her medication makes her sick but it is still important to disclose. If it's something that happens more than 7 days per month, then she needs to consider not being a mentor.
The problem is trying to solve things via social media, Gia is protected by the contract IF she is providing the service accordingly, if not, just call a lawyer. Gia is the kind of person that will never admit she did something wrong and she will blame everybody but herself, so I wouldn't bother in keep posting videos about her.
I think a big part of the problem was the fact that Gia was in tattooing and mentoring out of the church that she was also in the process of renovating. From what I understand a lot of the cancellations were because of times where the church/studio had lost power, was too hot, had plumbing issues, etc. Which also raises the question of whether it was even safe to be working and tattooing there to begin with. But in any case I think Gia simply wasn't in a position where she could realistically take on a mentorship - she could simply admit her mistake, return the money minus the cost of the eight days that were done, and they could all move on from this.
I found you yesterday. One of the worst days of my life because I had to say goodbye to my dog that I loved for 14.5 years. His name was Reggie. The only thing I could do was binge your content. Thank you for what you do.
I happened to read your comment and it broke my heart. My 14 year old dog passed away in February. Her name was Sioux, but then at the end of May, my kitty passed, too, and his name was also Reggie. It's been devastating, and I know you're going through the same thing. I'm sorry about your Reggie. He must have had a good life to live that long. Take care 🖤
Health issues aren't an exuse for poor judgment calls and inability to provide services. Be open, honest, and don't take on clients when your situation is iffy. Period.
i feel like there's too much like.. 'sympathy bait' type language from gia for it to not be intentional for trying to dismiss her for anything 'UWU I'M JUST A GIRL WITH TATTOOS' no ur apparently (i don't know her) someone big in the industry, YOU KNOW THIS. ur NOT 'just a girl'. i hate when big people act like they're nobody and amateurs to excuse their wrong doings like own up. also the 'this took such a toll on me' i don't doubt that big people getting called out is stressful i mean. possibly being proven ur an asshole and bad actor and losing ur reputation + expected income at the time surely is stressful BUT IT'S PROBABLY A MILLION TIMES MORE STRESSFUL TO BE A NOT WELL KNOWN, SMALLER PERSON OR CLIENT W/E TO SPEAK OUT AND POSSIBLY HAVE UR ENTIRE LIFE RUINED FOR TRYING TO GET JUSTICE FROM BEING SCAMMED OUT OF A LOT OF UR MONEY the advice to 'address' shit like this also. just sounds like stuff guilty people would say/do. if u did nothing wrong and ur innocent u prolly don't wanna post and delete and post and delete cos as WE ALL KNOW deleting and blocking are obvious signs of fraud or not wanting to address something and hoping it gets swept under the rug. if ur innocent u think u would damn well wanna keep the info up that ur innocent instead of it looking like u haven't addressed it at all and further harm ur reputation lol also.. relying on others to 'cycle the info around' is just.. really stupid? 'yeaa some people got a hold of the info u might see it ur might not so u'll never know what the truth is or not cos it didn't come directly from me and it's available' like girl u know anyone can fake evidence too if u don't have direct statements up on ur page right?
Sooooo… as a teacher myself, there’s a HUGE difference between providing exercises/plans and practicing a skill with a helpful mentor. The argument that Jess can’t “unlearn” her experience just doesn’t really hold water for me. Because I’m assuming the “mentorship” was about having that rapport with a teacher while documenting your progress over time! Jess didn’t get the full experience so thus she shouldn’t have to pay the full price. Hiring a tutor is very different than watching videos online or buying a book. One is much more involved and adaptive to the individual. Now - the one thing I do have a question on is how long was the training supposed to actually last? I know she got 8 days but out of how many? I think a month was said.. but is that only weekdays? Maybe 20 days then? I want to know the ratio.
@@EmeraldAshesAudio I think you’re right cause on Jess’s calendar Wednesday - Friday was marked as the days she either attended (blue) or was cancelled on (red) But the mentorship was meant to be beginning June till end of August 😄
Exactly! The fact that Gia thinks Jess is getting the full experience/knowledge base by independently completing a syllabus that is only brief dot-points of topics… yikes.
I have health issues as well ...and I run a business... you have to let people know what's going on ...but at the same time is you can't complete an apprenticeship, then you need to refund the person ... period... you can't hold their time and money hostage ...she didn't get what she paid for 8 days out of 3 months with the text cancelation shown ... stop playing and refund her
Riddle me this: How long did y'all beg, plead, and bargain with the school group project members? The ones who simply would NOT get their poop in a group? I certainly wouldn't have begged after they showed up for less than a third of the PRE-PAYED meeting times!! 🤣😂 Not when I had a 5-Hour fcking drive, and they showed, consistently, their lack of respect for me or my time!! Okay!! Now imagine that, except, it's not a group member it's your professor!!!!! The professor that you are paying as a private tutor at a highly inflated rate! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 The school would be pulling the instructor in, and telling them to get their shit together otherwise they are going to get sued; much like is rightfully happening now!!
As a disabled person, with MULTIPLE Chronic Illnesses, illness is NOT an excuse to be a flaky lying scam artist. Giving such people leeway and benefit of the doubt, give all of us a bad look, which can effect us from being taken seriously and getting jobs.
Having paid 6k to have to turn around mid multi hour drive several times is still insane. Inkmaster contestant or not, that price is ridiculous. Especially when Jess could've been working on those days had there been a little more communication prior to the drive out. Electrical issues isn't something you can easily see, but bad weather typically has enough of a warning just by looking at the predictions.
The quitting thing -- it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if Jess said "screw it I'm done". That's not the issue. The issue is that Gia is claiming everything was fine and the only reason the mentorship is over is because Jess didn't want to do the work and bailed. Jess did bail. Because she was constantly getting ghosted, losing income, and still being asked to pay for a mentorship that she wasn't actually receiving. Don't get stuck in the weeds.
Also, as another person with chronic illnesses -- yes. She DOES owe her clients (some form of) that information. When your health or personal life regularly impacts your professional life, people should be made aware. You don't owe anyone the *details*, but if your job requires you to be reliable and to uphold schedules and appointments, and you have something ongoing which you ALREADY KNOW may interfere and require rescheduling, your clients and coworkers have a right to know that upfront and before doing business with you. That's just being professional and respectful.
I feel like Gia constantly canceling and not living up to her expectations makes the contract null and void. Therefore Jess had the right to leave. If Gia wasn't going to satisfy the contract, why should Jess?
apparently Gia didn't even sign it in the first place lol making it pretty unusable. The funniest part is that Gia not signing = Gia not putting a stamp on the non refundable part. If this goes to court she's probably gonna end up having to refund.
While Gia seems to be a really great artist, imagine your literal only claim to fame is I was on Ink Master, yeah I got voted off and I didn't win, but they put me on the show........ then I scammed a bunch of unknown artists in the same copy and paste play, with a tag team from my lawyer claiming I bear no responsibility for my own choices...... I'm great at scamming unknown artists that want to learn to hone their tattoo skills from me, I have them prepay me the salary, move up the payment deadlines without delivering the first amount of instruction hours, and then I'm going to be super insecure yet simultaneously hella egotistical about it -- needing to reassure myself as much as everyone else, that I'm a real artist and not an imposter. Like GD Gia, you created your opponents argument, argued it and proved them correct, and then slandered the person whom you were just claiming was the slanderer 😂🤣
I love the color of your nails! I don't use social media much, so may be you already do this on another platform, but I would LOVE just a quick show of your nails each time you change them (as a YT short or just in the beginning of an episode or something). They look so unique!!!
It is absolutely ok for someone with health issues of any kind to be transparent with their clients and postpone an appointment when they need to. But the issue here isn't the this, it's the fact that Jess paid for a certain amount of days most of which were not given to her and she received no compensation. Regardless of the reason for these missed days, this is unfair.
@@evasheridan6026 Gia is making her illness Jess's problem and that's not fair. I'm also chronically ill. I no longer am self employed, but the heat where I live has taken the piss out of me the last week. I didn't even leave the house Sunday because it was close to 100F. To make sure I recover enough for going back to work, my dude made sure we had enough food and snacks for the family and that I didn't have much to do. My job as a nurse is exhausting at it's base level, never mind being ill and the weather just stomping me into the ground. But I learned when I got sick, and especially once it was apparent this is going to be the life I have forever, that I need to PLAN. I'm not self employed anymore, like I said earlier, but when I was and early on in my illness, I had a lot of days where I coulsnt get out of bed or had to go to the emergency room or was admitted to the hospital. But I worked it out with clients and even my dad helped me get things sorted out when I was too sick to even lift my head up. I returned deposits and rescheduled or set them up with someone else to get services done. I did that because it was the right thing to do, even if I needed the money. Why should I keep money for something I never did? That's wrong and that's what Gia doesn't care to understand.
Gia is sounding incredibly self important, like “don’t believe Jess, she’s not even a well known artist, I’m a celebrity” I’m with Jess on this, Gia is p,aging the sympathy card with her illness but in my opinion it’s backfired. Personally I think Jess is the bigger person because she could have reacted a lot worse (I know I would if someone had stolen 6k from me) which is effectively what Gia has done.
Lauren! I just wanted to say that you’ve been my “comfort channel” for about eight years since before I even had any tattoos. You have such a soothing presence and I just wanted to let you know that you are so appreciated. I really admire how accepting and inclusive you are, and how you always make sure to hear everyone’s perspective on issues. Without trauma dumping too much, I am someone that lives with several chronic physical and mental illnesses including PTSD from domestic violence in my past. The way you so gently and protectively discuss issues like SA and LGBT+ issues makes me and many others feel so safe and accepted with you. You have also created an amazing community with your Facebook group where everyone just wants to support each other and share art and advice. I think content creators rarely hear how much of a positive impact they have on their audience, so I wanted to express this gratitude! Keep doing what you’re doing, you are an amazing person and the things you do make a difference in people’s lives.
I don’t know about yall but the fact that Gia keeps telling Jess to stop reaching out to her or talking about the situation but does it multiple time to Jess is extremely infuriating.
Gis is a strait up thief, she has no excuse, her contract was one huge red flag, I felt strait off, she'd take advantage and end it at her will and keep the money. Well she's going to lose far more than $6000 she stole from jess now, deservedly. She's trying to cry victim but she's the bad guy here, just give the girl her money back. Gia seems to be the one on the threatening and harassment side, she needs to just claim she took advantage, never meant to give tgat young lady a proper mentorship, she is asked for a job but instead offers to make u pay to work with her. She's an entitled bully and thief
Gia seems to fundamentally not know the definition of SO MANY words. Like I think in her head "defamation" = saying anything about me I don't like "blackmail" = anytime someone does not immediately do what I request and instead askes for something in return "extortion" = someone I don't like is asking me for something I don't want to do "negotiation" = this person has to do what I want "intellectual property" = the same as when people put on their sonic the hedgehog fanart ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL but this time it has ~magical legal properties~ None of this is true in the real world. She really gives off a vibe that she is living in a fantasy world where anyone who doesn't obey her is a vindictive antagonist hellbent on ruining her life....like girl kitty up and face reality Everything she has posted to prove that she is in the right only makes me doubt her and her integrity more. I really think she doesn't understand that the way she handled the initial mentorship was WRONG she did not properly schedule her own time and at the end of the day she just does not understand that she really DID have responsibilities to Jess. To your point about her health and "does she owe anyone anything" I understand the sympathy and frustration, but as someone who is also chronically sick (both mentally and physically) you DO owe people somethings sometimes even when you are unwell. If you make a promise to someone and charge them money for it and repeatedly break it while fully expecting that no consequence should ever reach you then you aren't some "struggling with illness" your an arshole who wants an excuse to get away with it. Jess's whole issue was that she paid full price for a fraction of a service. No where in their initial conversations did any discussion about chronic illness come up, an unreasonable amount of late/same-day cancellations were due to inclement weather and that is just something that Gia does not think she has to take into account or plan for, which is not true. I agree with others that even tho I would like to extend sympathy, I do think she is bringing this up entirely for pity points and not out of an honest attempt at building trust and understanding In her own posts she seems to be admitting that she's very comfortable with being a UwU High Profile Popular Tattoo Girl and is perfectly happy to act like this was all some hate mob cancel culture nonsense that she doesn't actually have to think about, address or come to terms with in any way. Her whole rant about "finding a resolution" is a self report - Jess tried multiple times to fix the situation, especially in the moment to ensure she had the quality of education she paid for. Gia was just not interested in any resolution or meeting in the middle because she childishly does not understand that she really did fck up Its absolutely buckwild to see someone so convinced she is so right while all the evidence is right there to see she is so wrong
But....she already posted everything! Blackmail would be "Pay me back OR I WILL POST ALL ABOUT HOW CRAPPY YOU ARE ONLINE!" Gia doesn't understand what blackmail is, the threat already happened, lmao! The damage is done! LMFAO, can you imagine if blackmailers posted your nudes online for all your friends, family, coworkers, classmates, literally the whole world to see and THEN said "Give me money and I'll take them down"?!?!?! Uhhhh, what's the point sir and/or ma'am? I think I'll keep my money cuz if I pay you then I'll still be suffering humiliation and my nudes all over the internet for the rest of my life, but I'll also be out money now?
Gia's ego and unending narcissism of "oh my gosh I'm the victim for delivering 8 of the 31 days of work I was PRE-SALARIED FOR!!" Gia really screwed herself in the pooch on this one, legally speaking. The only thing that she legally COULD HAVE DONE, (with a signed contract, Gia didn't sign it, remember) is claim intellectual property damages for Jess showing a few book pages. However : Just like "Jess doesn't have a 'proper', legally binding' contact, with everything notarized"-- since Gia didn't sign it; guess freaking what!! LMFAO Gia doesn't have protections on shit, either!! The only reason you wouldn't sign the contract is if you knew ahead of time that you didn't want to uphold your end of the bargain. Only if Gia pre-planned to misuse her privilege in the industry, and play legal footsie to bully Jess into silence (as we watched along and saw her attempt to do)- as Gia destroyed a new artist's place in the industry, before it even breathes.
Gia's lawyer is PISSSSED right now 🙃🤣Gia has nothing that says "Jess can never show her property", she was running her mouth all over social media and making herself look even worse! Whereas if she let the legal and PR teams do their job: They'd smooth her bullshit over with a sob story version of Gia's reality, focusing on the health implications-- which truly would have only covered a fraction of the times she employed excuses!! "You can't come over because of the weather?", "Oh not today either because it's hot????" The fuuuuuhhhh?! The absolute MOST Gias lawyer can do, is to ask Jess, pretty please, to take it down. Jess's lawyer, however, is dancing around and ordering a new shipment of Omaha Steaks. 😂🤣😂🤣 There is no legal backing to attempt to negotiate some sort of payment --just because Gia's work was shown. She directed both a social media retaliation from someone asking for their money back, AND is attempting to legitimately gaslight and slander Jess. She has given Jess's lawyer a sealed and shut case, this truly from a legal standpoint-- is ALLLLL on how Jess wants to do this. Unless Gia somehow has a lawyer that's got legitimate black mail on Jess's lawyer; Gia legally did everything she shouldn't have done. 🙃🙃 Imagine showing your entire ass online-- and then trying to blame the person who was begging for you to do your part of the bargain..... I know Gia wants to be butt hurt and act like people seeing a couple of configuration pages is going to ruin her business; but in a completely non-snarkey intended way, it's not original work for tattoo skill strengtheners. Looking on RUclips we'll see full courses that Gia's will look exactly like, whether by intent or not. The mental gymnastics she's performing in order to justify to herself...... just, wow. How she thinks any of her behavior is appropriate-- is fascinating, frankly.
The thing is, for Jess to be there she is giving up days without being able to work. It's not just the initial fee, she has to factor in all the lost income. It's so disrespectful for Gia to just expect that Jess can lose out on these hours indefinitely. If Gia keeps pushing the classes back later and later, Jess is probably having to cancel appointments that were already on her books.
I really don't like it when people call other people talking publicly about them "harassment". Telling the truth is not harassment. If you think the person lies, it's defemation and go to a lawyer but it's not harassment. Words have meanings, go check a dictionary
I am chronically ill too and whilst I get it up to a point, you also have to check yourself and realise your own reality. Clients won't start leaving in droves if you explain that for a couple of months your illness is gonna take priority, and may need to take more time off than usual. As long as you have open and honest communication, most humans will be quite forgiving and give allowances. I do think she needs to be more upfront with her clients if her illness impacts her work or ability to go to work, or work effectively, rather than letting it all build up and blow up in your face, and only THEN do you say 'but but i'm chronically ill and this is how it all impacts me' ... when left too late it can feel disingenuous. It shouldn't, we should all be given grace for our pains, but thats not how this works if you don't communicate with your people. Put together with the word drops of 'industry' and 'friends in industry' and the bullying language it just feels like she's scrambling for any 'reasons' she can to excuse why the service was not fulfilled, while taking absolutely no responsibility. Gia took money for a service she did not fulfill. Regardless of the reasons for the lack of fulfillment, the service *was not* provided. It would be the morally right thing to do, to refund Jess.
If anything, the only possible mediation worthy to resolve this situation would be to divide the $6000 into the days of all 3 months that they were going to have this mentorship, subtract the 8 days of mentorship Jess received, add the calculated expenses Jess made (gas) for the days she was abruptly cancelled midway to Gia, and call it a day. You could add on other things like wages lost for Jess on the days she was supposed to be at the mentorship where she couldn’t book anyone, but that’s only if you want to get picky. Either way I’m all for Jess; be it Gia or another random artist, they have to know when they’re clearly in the wrong side of the situation.
6:25 to be fair to Gia, even if Jess is showing her inbox she can still hide the emails. If she wants to make Gia look shadier or is lying she could've archived the emails, blocked her lawyer or sent them all to spam or deleted them. Like, scrolling through your inbox on your phone (even all inboxes) doesn't show everything. All inboxes just means every email you have on that apps main inbox is being shown
I said something about this on the last video. A syllabus might be considered intellectual property. It has to be creative, either printed or posted online somewhere and original. I am a professor of studio art. I paused the video and looked at the syllabus. Obviously I can’t say whether it is original or not. But in my opinion it’s not creative. It outlines what she is going to teach about but it does not go above and beyond what my syllabi say and I would never consider them intellectual property. On this point I think Gia needs to get over herself. To me the part of the syllabus that I read seem like topics that would be covered in an apprenticeship. If Jess recorded Gia in the act of teaching her something and/or posted notes that Gia had written out that would be intellectual property assuming the notes were original. Also, myself and most professors that teach online have video lectures posted. If someone else posted it to their channel I wouldn’t care. While I wrote the notes and everything the information in the lectures isn’t a secret and could be found through reading books, articles, reading/watching interviews ect. Additionally, you aren’t infringing on copyrights (basically that is what intellectual property is, something that has copyright) if the person who originally said it or wrote it. That is why papers have citations in them. Using other peoples words so long as they are cited is not a copyright violation. 🤷🏻♀️
There really shouldn’t be an issue to just refund the difference and both parties move on. This whole hullabaloo could have been avoided. But Gia probably still would have got a comeuppance eventually considering her behaving this same way with clients.
I have a chronic condition and completely understand that sometimes shit happens. But as a working professional who made an agreement the common courtesy is to see if something can be worked out. And it seems like that didn't happen. Gotta applaud your commitment to remaining objective in all this and providing the full story, thank you.
Idk abt yall but "It's best if we call it" is just another way of saying you're quitting where I'm from so her trying to say "Well I didn't specifically say quit" just makes it feel like she's trying to weasel herself out of a bad situation she's put herself in
If you know you have a health condition like that, maybe telling the person who is considering to pay for a three month mentorship that you might have days where you will have to cancel last minute for medical reasons and propose a way of how to work around that could be a way to avoid this kind of a messy situation. Also if you're working from a space that can get so hot that it's unsafe and you still offer a mentorship during summer, you should disclose that and have a plan on how that's going to be handled. That way people know what to expect and can make an informed decision. Knowing she has so many things going on that may result in her not being able to provide the service she was paid for and on top of that making Jess sign a contract saying it's non refundable feels incredibly predatory. Both parties deserve fair conditions and respect of ones live circumstances. I kinda feel like if Jess had something happen, forcing her to cancel some days, it would have been a "that's your problem" situation.
The fact that Jess didn't recive a cease and desist immediately kinda makes me think that Gia doesn't want to take Jess down. The thing is though, if Jess doesn't stop she could be sued for defamation and/or slander, and she could be convicted of that even if her claims about Gia is true and she's in the right when it comes to the mentorship program. Because they are different legal cases. What interests me, about all the online drama theese days, like with Illuminaughty, is that people are turning to the public in order to get some kind of psychosocial accountability. And now, all of us, people from all around the world are becoming this massive jury. Jess said that her laywer told her that the contract is not in her favour, that the mentor could easily just flake out and Jess wouldn't be able to do anything about it. So the legal and economical protection has failed her. Also I think it's important to point out that a legal conviction has a different accountability outcome than a psychosocial one. And that's why I don't think either Jess or Gia has taken those "standard" legal actions. I think Jess would've been open to taking the economical loss and removed the clips if Gia took her critique to heart and made changes to improve the mentorship for future mentees.
I too have chronic health issues, don’t know how ill feel day to day, I would never enter into a financial relationship like this because I know how flighty my ability to commit can be. But let’s say I did want to be a professional, I wouldn’t get upset when someone wasn’t happy after I treated their time and investment this spotty. Hence “professional”. She’s perpetuating this stereotype of the chronically ill as drama queens, helpless “takers” and excuse makers
Pretty sure Jess asking for a refund to take down her post would not meet the legal definition of extortion - but any lawyer can correct me. If it is, then surely many settlements involving payment of money requested in exchange for the other party to do an action, which is made between the parties with lawyers, would be extortion.
She should have just given her back some of the money and maybe requested jess give back any learning materials or whatever. 6K for 90days. That's like 2K a month, give her back 4k and be done with it....if gia is successful enough that shouldn't have been a problem, contract or not. But maybe she's not doing well financially...but also, is like to see the messages where Jess said they should just end it. Did Jess ever explicitly say "I'm done, let's just end it BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER AVAILABLE And it's NOT WORKING OUT". ? OR did Jess just say 'im done "... Because then I can see why this is so out of control bananas
I mean, sure, things happen and people may need to cancel things. But when you make financial commitments to a person, you reschedule the moment you cancel, you don't just cancel and leave it be. This is about Gia's incapability to admit to herself being wrong and refusing to just refund the money and be done with it. If you are feeling this targeted, hun, just give her back her money. There is absolutely no reason to keep dragging this on, especially when she spoke out about the exact same thing not that long ago.
Even if you have a health condition that might lead to cancelled classes, you SAY that up front, and then you reschedule as many times as necessary in order to provide the service you were paid for. It's not a get out of jail free card
You can prorate classes. There is evidence of how much time Jess paid for and how much she got. Just price it out and give her a refund for the days she didn’t get to work. You cannot just keep on adding extra “make up days” forever and expect her to stick around months after she was supposed to be done.
Ngl I like watching Ink Master and I won’t lie, I didn’t like Gia from the beginning. But tbh I thought it was because they wanted her to have a certain character on the show as they do it with some of the artists on the show. Like they are nice people irl but annoying as hell on the show. However once this came out, I see why I didn’t like her now. I clearly side with Jess here.
I didn't particularly like her on her own but the men on that season were so awful and some said really unwarranted things about her looks, it was terrible. So I ended up always kinda on her side.
If you know your health issues will cause you to cancel, don't charge and run a class you can't deliver on. I have lots of health issues that causes Mr to cancel hanging out with friends and family, but im not charging them. I also am aware of my problems and try to find compromises or items that will help me get through it. Like if I'm going somewhere loud, I'll bring headphones etc. Not saying she should be forced to work if she isn't feeling well. Just saying committing to a contracted class that she made, that's on her. Also saying the pandemic is a reason?? I thought this happened recently like this year? Lockdown in the US ended around end of 2021. It's now 2024, using that as an excuse now doesn't make sense.
The reason Jess isn’t responding to the lawyer MAY be bc legally it’s advised for you (in general) to no talk to the other persons lawyer. Often they can use intimidation tactics. If their lawyer really wanted or needed to address something they would contact your lawyer. If they don’t 🤷♀️. They don’t need to contact you personally without your lawyer present. And you don’t need to answer them without a lawyer present. At least in the United States.
Not to mention Gia admitting that Jess came to her for a money making JOB and Gia admits to convincing Jess to do a mentorship where she (Jess) loses money. Only to be irresponsible and miss so many days and not let her know ahead of time to where she could’ve booked clients in those days. She’s losing money mentoring with you which would be fine if she was getting a service. But you’re not providing her with the service you agreed to in your own contract. She does not have a good case of this were to go to court no wonder her lawyers are trying to get Jess to talk with them without her lawyer. They’re desperate.
What I found REALLY wrong was cancelling on Jess at the last minute when she knows she is so she has wasted all that time driving and just has o turn around. I think Gia has just gotten a pretty big ego.
I am sympathetic to Gia’s health issues, HOWEVER, she didn’t say any of this before. 2 things can be true at once. Can her health get in the way of her work? YES. Is that the situation between her and Jess? Absolutely not. She did not respect Jess’ time and is not taking ANY accountability for her actions. Not even a little and to take it further, she paints Jess as a villain rather than it being a simple misunderstanding. From the texts, Jess was trying really hard to make things work while Gia only saw it as an attack. Jess is definitely salty about the situation and you see it in how she is reacting. While she may be unwise in how she reacts, she is still, in my opinion, in the right for her contract situation with Gia.
At 18:51, you say Gia when you mean Jess was sitting home, twiddling her thumbs. Anyone watching the entire video would know what you meant but you may want to correct it.
I sadly can’t edit a video once it’s posted but I’ll pin your comment and it will be the first people see should they scroll down!! Thank you for catching that 😄🩷
And yes I did mean Jess!
I caught that too. I was quite certain she misspoke and meant to say Jess.
Honestly I didn't even notice until I saw your comment, my brain corrected it by itself 😅
@@mht8264 mine too
@@treacletatts1¹UK
I'm sorry but Jess paid for a service she did not receive at the behest of Gia. Period. Sorry to Gia but your health issues do not give you the right to scam someone.
All she had to do was reschedule or refund. I have sudden "bad days" and I make sure to reschedule and be honest with people for appointments. Gia is just scamming and I wonder what investments she made in this time period?
Now it makes sense that she was unable to be there because of hot weather. I have POTS and I get pretty bad during summer. But I also know to not schedule things during hot weather and to manage my illness to avoid being unable to work when I need to. I would try my best to make up for the missed days too
All she had to do was either partial refund or redistribute the funds. Meaning give part of it back or be like hey I know i canceled a lot due to personal reasons I'll take X% and put it towards next month and you'll only owe Y amount instead of Z amount.
Seriously, there's nothing "hard" about the details of this situation
@@ragdollrose2687and if you couldn’t you’d at least give their money back partially. At least I would as a chronically ill person myself.
I know how random chronic illness and pain can be but rescheduling or partially refunding would be the right thing for us to do bc of that.
Gia needs to realise that providing a lesson plan is NOT the same as providing the education or mentorship she was paid for. It's maybe argument that the refund shouldn't be 100% but ot should still be the majority of it
this this this, i haven't seen it mentioned anywhere
Before all of the hullabaloo online, it would have been really smart for Gia to do that previously.
But at this point with what Gia has inadvertently admitted to, and what her and Jess's texts both prove:
she gave a slam dunk slander case to Jess's lawyer, hook, line and sinker.
Gia not signing the paperwork would only be done for one reason. If you did not want a legal backing for a student to come after you.
Unfortunately for Gia's plan to keep scamming unknown artists, Jess took the risk to her own name and career as an unknown artist, to whistle blow metaphorically on a shitty boss. Gia is acting all high and mighty, but I'm wondering if it's genuinely a mental health issue, because that's delusions of grandeur, she doesn't actually have any of the legal standing she is saying.
There are multiple paper trails of her repeatedly doing this to unknown artists and trying to bully them into silence.
Legally speaking, Gia screwed the pooch on this one.
The only person who has legal backing to sue, is Jess.
And Jess/ all of us, only have the proof and legal backing to do so--because Gia kept running her mouth in an ego trip online.
She would have done perfectly fine after this if she had either said I'm so sorry I really messed up, I've been having a really hard time and refunded Jess, or if she had said nothing from the beginning and let a PR and legal team handle it.
A professional PR campaign and a really skeezy lawyer can make all sorts of stuff go away.
Gia would have been perfectly fine with a big sob story released- spun only focusing on her health and other struggles........you know, the things that only truly affected her a fraction of the days she lied to Jess, and told her "oops sorry, you're 3 hours into your 5-hour drive, turn around, it's too hot" 🤣😂🤣😂
I'm going to see if I can come up with both of the options for the sob story speech that Gia is going to be told to use-- BEFORE she releases it.
🤣😂🤣
A fun little game for myself
The LENGHTS that ppl go to avoid saying: "i made a mistake, I'm sorry". It´s obviously not about the money cause
Gia is probably paying that lawyer way more than she took for not giving her mentorship.
Absolutely, Gia hasn't had to take responsibilities for her actions from scamming previous unknown artist students.
The other apprentices stayed silent for fear of the backlash, that she apparently has a paper trail of evidence of.
She was betting that throwing in comments of the industry and sponsors would be enough to get Jess to back off.
Jess, however, is betting that the law is going to uphold the law, rather than just sitting back and taking it on the nose that she got scammed out of $6,000 from someone she thought she really admired.
Absolutely
I don't understand why she didn't offer a partial refund. $8k for 3 months is pretty insane. Even doing a fast-track program with college credits to get certified as an EMT-Basic in my state doesn't cost that much!! I'm not sure how many days a week that 3 months was for, and I know it obviously probably includes days where they just video chat/share their work/do homework etc. But seems that keeping like $1000 and refunding the rest would be the right move here.
At risk of sounding like a whole hippie (I’m a clinician in oncology, case management, and an educator, and have faced the “you’re weird” stigma until I proved it untrue). People, in general, have lost humility, empathy, our human connection. At its core, our society encourages frustration and apathy. It sometimes is very hard, but much can be resolved and understood by compassion in the face of adversity. Simplicity can be complicated.
It’s hard, being a sub culture of our own to see “infighting” being so commonplace. Particularly so publicly. There are people and practices that do need to be exposed I suppose, but the tit for tat, hate boners are wild. I’m thinking a lot of people who have been physically harmed and scarred by people that do not belong here vs financial legal battles, but alas… I might be talking idealism rainbows right out of my unicorn ass 😂😂😂!!!!
All my love to everyone! Stay safe, wave your freak flag high and proud, you’re beautiful! 💋
You’re so damn right. I’m convinced that a lot of relationships could be repaired and wrongs could be righted just by us learning to say those exact words; “I messed up. I was wrong. I’m sorry.” But those words involve one of our most messy attributes.. the ego. I’m trying hard to say that phrase to my kids when I need to. So many parents never say sorry to their kids and I really think that learning how to say sorry (and mean it! And then act accordingly, of course) needs to start at a young age.
“Handle it like an adult” is what my mom would say when abusing me because apparently defending yourself is childish. That quote says all I need to know
Exactly. Amd the whole "I've gotten over it, why haven't you" bit. It's just a repackaged "quit bringing up the past" bs that abusers use to shut down their victims when they try to advocate for themselves.
I'm so sorry that happened to you, abusers so often do this to their victims, it's a form of gaslighting I've experienced with partners, unfortunately :(
Ironic, I've used that phrase towards my abusive ex many times lol but I understand what you mean. She's gaslighting left and right, it's crazy she thinks she's gonna talk her way out of being essentially a liar
Literally no excuse for her to be clinging to that money still, if you’re really that affected by it all just refund her hun 💀
She has more then likely spent it, I have seen this type of reaction when they realize it’s out of their own pocket now because the moneys gone.
Exactly. Getting lawyers involved and dragging ts out when in comparance to Jess showing all relevant info all you have is an immense amount of bellyaching. It's just making her reputation look worse and worse bc I'd assume those lawyer consultations cost more than a full refund would.
@@tarotsushima3332I’d say ego has a lot to play in decision making more than sense.
@@Solhawkthis isnt someone thats scraping the pennies she could just give it back
Agreed, this is all about ego and narcissism.
How Gia Responded was a reaction to "someone challenging her greatness", "the amazing and powerful Oz" type of ego and narcissism.
Although it stems from insecurity, and comes about as a well-built distraction from the lack of belief in oneself, and imposter syndrome within the industry.
Do I feel bad for her clear impostor syndrome?
Yes, absolutely! Gia should feel very comfortable in the work she does, and embrace the position!!
Do I also think she acted completely foolishly, let her ego get the better of her, and made herself the current microscope specimen?
Oh 100%!!
I know Freud, Jung, or somebody else Is laughing in their grave as Gia projected ll of her issues onto Jess, and hypocritically acused her of everything that she did to Jess.....
But coming from the opposite direction.
She is 'used to bullying unknown artists into this', as there is apparently a well-documented track record spanning many artists, over years of time. 🤷♀️
So yeah, I feel for her; it seems like she legitimately has some stuff going on.
But lying, passing the blame, and running scams on unknown artists knowing that most of them wouldn't risk standing up for themselves and calling her out.....
Is really really really icky.
Is this a character flaw?
Okay then fix it.
Is this a trauma response?
Then this needs to be brought up in therapy, and have medication discussed with the trusted provider.
This is inappropriate behavior, and very reminiscent of a friend's, when she is unmedicated.
I don't believe in armchair diagnoses, but the the behaviors that line up are pretty staggering.
The simultaneous depression and insecurity, saddled with a touch of delusions of grandeur.
The automatic twisting of reality is either Gia being an asshole manipulator, or Gia showing what she genuinely has led herself to believe.
So, I don't know if I should be 'hoping for' either option..
Gia being a lying asshole egotist, or Gia being an unmedicated person who I feel for, but recognize it is their responsibility to get themselves medicated
We get to choose how we live the world in our bodies, but those rights stop at the line when affecting other people's lives.
While they decide to experience their life without their mind and hormones in check; the people in their life have the same right to walk away and say 'you aren't allowed to treat me like this'.
Instead of sucking it up and trying to work her way into the industry despite unhinged Behavior, Jess stood up and nicely said hey, this really stinks.
I really wanted this to work, but this artist is doing something really shady and I don't think I'm crazy thinking this.
Jess threw no ad hominem attacks, didn't return any slander, and wasn't creating cyclical arguments to distract from her scamming.
Sounds to me like Gia is a bit angry that Jesse’s NDA slipped through the cracks. I feel like Jesse is fully free to speak about her experience and show her messages and the syllabus in full. Gia requiring an NDA for her first ever mentorship seems a bit odd and i definitely don’t believe this was her first paid mentorship or apprenticeship since she’s lied multiple time and deleted it when Jesse shows proof that Gia is lying.
@Celestial_Kumiho 100%!! Gia did a very good job on doing Jess's lawyer's job. 😂🙃
She set herself up, lied, taped herself lying, did it again, legally attempted slander of Jess, was truly trying to Gaslight her and use her position in the industry to bully her into silence as she had the other artists, and tried to pull the scam that she perfected.
The fact that Gia hadn't signed the contract or had it notarized, shows that Gia had pre-planned (and its actionable proof) to screw over Jess.
Gia has ZERO legal standing for suing Jess for showing her pages online, and she lost that claim to damages to intellectual property when she set Jess up and didn't sign the contract!!!! 🥳🎉🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
It's genuinely and completely poetic; absolutely hilarious!!!
This is why people say what happens in the dark will come to the light, it might not be from your situation, but someone else is down the line will bring everything to light and you will get your chance to see Karma collecting on the world's closet skeletons.
Tattoo drama happens fast but Treacle Tatts happens faster 😂
Two videos in a row I’ve filmed, edited and uploaded on the same day 😮💨unheard of for me 😂
@@treacletatts74 minutes of edited videos in one day. I can only imagine how long filming and editing took overall today. We appreciate your dedication!
Yesss tysm for your content your so cool!
I love how on top of updates Lauren is. Impressive.
I was thinking MentorGate…. 😂
I'm still on the side of Jess.
If you take money you have to also give the education you've promised. Non-refundable doesn't mean you can not fulfill your part of the deal.
If you don't want to get harmed, maybe don't try to scam people. Might be an idea.
Gia also cost Jess money on top of what she paid by having her close shop for a teaching day, then having her start to drive to her and then cancel the day of (or shortly before so she would also probably not have been able to book a client).
She may not handled everything perfectly but she probably felt very much alone. And by how Gia reacted you can see she doesn't intend on giving her back any amount of money, probably thinking she is safe from having to refund even though she didn't uphold her part.
There may be more coming up and I'm willing to listen but so far Gia couldn't convince me.
I feel like it is an argument of fraud tbh. You can't just sit there and expect certain things. Also maybe gia should have picked closer people and do it during dead season so it is not as bad
Yep, Gia was expecting Jess to stay silent in order to not affect her potential career.
Gia bullied others into silence, she thought she could do the same thing again.
However,Jess has plenty of proof, Gia taped herself lying multiple times and posted it, didn't sign her own paperwork after receiving the signed paperwork back from Jess for over a month, and everything else we see happening!
Not to mention the other people now feeling comfortable enough with their own proof. I know the ones with NDAs are sitting here screaming oh my God finally!!
Can y'all imagine showing up to work only eight random ass days amongst an entire month??
The quickness with which you would be fired would be astonishing 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
But Gia really said I'm not going to do my job that you ✨️✨️pre fcking paid me for**, because I don't want to, because it's hot, because we're about to have bad weather??
LMAO I truly feel bad for Gia's lawyer, he is slamming his head against the wall while screaming "oh my God stop it, shut up", as Jess's lawyer is sitting there saying "ah yes, fantastic, please continue,
wow you'll admit that and prove yourself lying..... please keep talking!"
Jess probably knew that Gia has a whole army/mafia of tattoo artists willing to defend and do anything for Gia. So yeah she may not have handled it perfectly but in her defense she was up against a power house that held so much fucking power.
If I was her I wouldn’t feel like I had a lot of choices.
My 5 year old is listening to this in the background and asked did she really do that?? I explained a lady turned up to be taught by a teacher and paid lots of money, but the teacher didn't show up and demanded the money anyway. He replied, "that's not nice!". See Gia, my kid gets it, why can't you?😂
LOL
@lms1068Awww 💕💕💕 hahahaha, sweet little babe, Momma's raising you with respect for others and wonderful manners!
Can you imagine how awesome/chaotic things would be if people who wanted to sue or debate politics, had to explain exactly what they think to their child??!?
🤣😂🤣😂🤷♀️🤷♀️
Kids are quick, understand fairness more than many adults, and have more pure intentions than adults!!!
the most annoying part of all of this is gia acting like she wasn't given a chance to fix this behind closed curtains at any point.
Fr she’s crazy delusional and I wouldn’t be surprised if that affected how many new clients she gets.
Let me start by saying that I too suffer from chronic health issues and was recently approved for disability, so I am not saying this to be smarmy; if Gia's health issues are such that she has to frequently cancel, perhaps she shouldn't be offering mentorships. I am still in camp Jess, and believe she deserves her money back as well. I'm pretty sure I remember from the first video Jess saying that some of these cancellations occurred when she was already on the road. This is unnecessary gas wasted and wear and tear on her vehicle. I also fully agree that it's beyond time to let the lawyers handle this, and not the court of public opinion.
THIS. I was saying exactly this to my husband while listening to the video. I too have to deal with chronic health issues to the point I work terribly underpaid job for dummies while having university degree from science major. Health issues are a problem that sucks. It ruins your life plans. It ruins your everyday life. But when Gia is aware of her situation then she shouldn't be offering some service, while she knows very well she may not be able to provide properly. And if it was sudden health worsening she should've just apologised and returned the money, it's that simple. It wouldn't have to evolve in this public pity party.
Adding on as well as a chronically ill gworl. It's not Jess's issue Gia is sick, but Gia needs to stop scamming and think it's OK because Jess got a basic ass syllabus thinking that's an in depth lesson plan that can be copyrighted.
Agree. I likewise have some disabilities and the reality is it does limit what I can do.
I have and do occasionally do lessons in various arts and crafts, but I limit them to one day events for a small handful of people organized usually a month ahead of the class day. That gives me time to prep my body and mind, and make sure I'm not overbooking. And, if I can't make the day... Well it's pay at the door anyway. They only pay once at the class and everything is going ahead.
I was about to leave a similar comment. I have much sympathy for those with chronic illnesses. But if you know that about yourself, you need to either do things you know you can commit to or maybe have a clause in your contract that explains you may need to take days off unexpectedly. And offer makeup sessions.
I had to quit my absolute dream job (literally a job I had wanted for 35+ years) because it caused a mild health condition I had to flare up into an issue I now have to deal with on a daily basis. I was heartbroken, but I couldn’t, in good conscience, continue to let the rest of my co-workers down (and putting my work load on their plates) just because I was unwilling to accept the truth - I could no longer do what I had been dreaming of for the majority of my life. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but the world doesn’t revolve around one person…
As someone that has a chronic disorder, it is still up to me to make sure I can serve my clients properly. That means only taking a few clients at a time and ending my workday before 4pm. It also means working only 4 days out of the week. I do this because I know if push past my ability it can lead to me calling out sick and canceling. As business owners we are responsible for managing our chronic illness to the best of our ability. Yes, I make less money but at least I have a good reputation...and hopefully longevity.
@@evad15 Gia is being short sighted and it shows who she is 100%. This situation did nothing to fix her reputation in my eyes at all, don't care how good her work is.
Loving Gia's "but wait, you guys didn't even see everything yet - here's all the horrible ways my lawyer and I threatened and tried to intimidate her! Doesn't that make you feel foolish for presuming my guilt?!"
tbh Gia thanking her friends and sponsors is more than a subtle brag. it's her signaling that she has power and connections in the industry and that if you don't side with her, there will be consequences. I still can't wrap my head around what she gains from doing this ... surely there are easier get rich quick schemes 🤣
She's the one blackmailing. Gia is truly 🗑️
@@deltasavesexactly
You're absolutely right... And why she thinks she's fooling anybody with "its just a thank you" says a lot.
Some people get in trouble thinking they're smarter than everyone else... Hopefully karma fixes the situation.
@@jspaingreene6350 it's an odd placement for sure. Thanking brands and other big artists for no reason other than to tell her "you won't have anyone in this industry on your side of you keep this up." Gia could have kept this offline but she didn't because she thinks her son story is enough. She doesn't get there's plenty of us who are working when ill because we have little other choice. When I was self employed and needed to take time off for an illness, my dad helped me make phone calls and I returned people's deposits for services (of they paid already) and told them once I am better, I will sure up reschedule dates; only made tennetive ones at the time. If they really needed services, I referred them to another person who can help them. THAT'S what you do: reschedule and refund, apology. Not threaten people paying for her lifestyle
MAN, people need to learn the definition of defamation. Everybody cries defamation as soon as somebody says something about them that is unflattering. Both of these people could be perfectly lovely in real life, for all I know; it's just that it feels like such a frivolous thing to tack onto an argument and waste lawyers on.
I mean, regardless of who is right I would say she absolutely has a case for defamation.
@@Gumbyloomy How?
@@Gumbyloomyno she doesnt. Defamation isnt someone said something that makes me sound bad. Its that the person knew it was untrue and still said it happened. She has to prove that the person knew what they were saying was a lie. Hard to do. And that they said the things to intentionally harm the others business. This is not at all defaming someone. 1 person felt they got ripped off the other says they didnt. Even harder to prove for public figures.
@@Gumbyloomy Perhaps I missed some detail about something that Fox said that was knowingly untrue, then. Not saying you’re wrong; I absolutely may have missed it.
Yeah like doesn't it have to be that Jess was deliberately lying about something that didn't happen about Gia to ruin her character and affect her business when the fact that she flaked on the mentorship and made off with 6k for barely over a week's worth of work is true? It really does sound more like trying to subtly threaten Jess to take the videos down so she either seems to be in the wrong or to stifle more people knowing about it.
If Gia really really feels she should keep the money figure out the % that was 8 days and keep that. So keep $ for the actual training she gave and return the rest.
With Gia being flaky with appointments and having health issues it boils down to attitude and communication. She is clearly well off enough to have a secretary to handle that if she can't. The "appointment is cancelled and we will work with you to fulfil our commitments and apologise for the inconvenience" is much better that cancelling no acknowledgement of the effect on that person and leaving them hanging when they have already paid.
The craziest to me is that Gia asked her to pay July in advance and then ended up cancelling every July mentoring day and basically telling Jess to F off. That sounds really scammy. Any decent person would at least give the last 2000 back right away.
@@TheZeltian your last sentence is the key and Gia isn't a decent, reasonable person.
I appreciate Gia has health issues, but according to Jess's reciepts, Gia never used her health as a reason to cancel a class, she gave very flaky reasons. And even if she had, she should still be reimbursing Jess for the time she herself couldn't provide what she promised.
Also, I do wanna point out, just because someone tries to negotiate with you doesn't mean you have to accept that negotiation. If the terms are not suitable and youve expressed that, theres no reason to continue talking with them. If anything Gia's 'negotiation' was a legal threat, Jess was the one who actually suggested afair resolution.
Also, I appreciate this is stressful for both parties but you reap what you sow, I dont have sympathy for Gia because she brought this on herself.
Absolutely, Gia proved herself that she lied multiple times.
To find out that there was no such thing as the legal negotiation emails Gia lied about-- there were only hey can you do this pretty please type of emails from Gia's lawyer--- because Gia legitimately doesn't have any standing to do so!!
It's just poetic man
also if you don't sign a contract it's not binding. this isn't a contract dispute, it's just an argument
there’s something called an implied contract which can also be enforceable legally
There are verbal contracts which can be legally binding. If a judge were to find that both people were on the same page about a past agreement, and the dispute only occurred when one of them deviated from that plan, chances are the judge will see it as a breach of contract. Regardless of there being a physical, written document.
Implied and verbal contracts are legally binding. Especially when you have the texts to go with it. The texts themselves can be considered the contract. And yes, texts/Facebook posts/TikToks/YT videos/ all of it, are accepted in court as evidence.
@Fuffydud YUP!!
It's quite poetic isn't it: the proof that Gia was intending on screwing another unknown artist over, expecting them to buckle under the pressure, is exactly what's being used to show her malintentions.
Gia didn't sign or notarize the paperwork even after Jess did, and it was in Gia's possession, solely!!!
For over a month after receiving Jess's Signature.
That is clear proof of it being intentional, and if people want to get real picky about it, since it was in Gia's possession for that long, it doesn't matter whether she was trying to screw over Jess or not, she was being negligent of her own businesses best practices.
You can't blame that on somebody else 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Since Gia never signed the paperwork, there is no legal backing to her going after Jess for intellectual property damages.
Gia herself proved that she was lying, but truly seems to be having delusions of grandeur and has written her reality differently in her or head.
Which is why I'm still giving room for grace on this might be a mental health issue that Gia is not taking responsibility of, that has now piled up fallen domino's from her inaction.
Instead of of being an asshole egotist that's intentionally and maliciously scamming artists, which is not unheard of in the industry, maybe she is a crappy business owner that is floundering from not taking care of their Mental Health, also not unheard of in the industry 😂🤣🤣
What’s crazy to me is that Jess was trying to find a resolution with Gia and didn’t just “decide to suddenly quit”?? In her original vid, Jess shows texts of her trying to work out how to get days made up and work out scheduling. She does provide ending the mentorship as an option but it looked like Gia just immediately came back with “calling it” and not trying to work with Jess on a solution at all. So in my mind Gia chose to end it, not Jess.
I'm on Jess' side. It's 2024 and we are done with scammers. This girl thinks way too highly of herself if she thinks 8 days is worth $6000! Girl! No!
Just wanna say that I have always had beef with Gia. She tattooed my best friend, my friend gave her a few elements (4: a hand, pomegranate, necklace, words) that she wanted in her tattoo after making a large deposit, she got to the tattoo studio and waited an hour for Gia to be ready. Gia came up with the design and it wasn’t at all what my friend asked for and Gia went “well I couldnt figure out what you wanted so here’s this you don’t have to get it” and my friend, who’s a people pleaser, was like okay and then spent $1,500 on a tattoo that was palm sized.
I don’t trust Gia.
The flipped thumbnail bamboozled me for a second, thought this was a reupload 😅
Shit is lazy and pathetic.
Video turnover time is CRAZY GOOD
I think what Gia doesn’t realize is the days Jess plans on being in the studio for her mentorship’s she is OUT OF WORK- she can not schedule her job on days she expects to be spending tattooing. Then to cancel on her same day.. it’s not only disrespectful but it takes away Jess’s ability to schedule work. She can’t make money that day and isn’t using her time as planned to practice tattooing. It’s a waisted day. With the economy right now people can’t afford an unplanned day off. So for it to happen so many times really does hurt Jess in the long run, not only is she missing out on PAID mentoring time but she misses out on work opportunities.
@@Eleanore.Rigbyy Jess is the one who lost out, not Gia, as she claims. I had a salon owner who did me like this and was part of the reason I stopped working for her. Like OK, if I'm supposed to be being taught by you, minimal pay (shampoo girl wage), but then you cancel on me constantly? Nope nope nope.
It seems to me that Gia should not have accepted any mentorships before her place was done. Apparently that's been the biggest issue is that her shop wasn't in good working order. Im so confused. Jess was pit out 1000% more than Gia ever was UNTIL Jess got frustrated and called her out publicly when she wasnt getting the understanding she wanted. I can totally understand that. Especially if im driving four hiurs one way to pay someone to teach me.
Totally agree. She didn't take a single minute to consider whether her working place or her health would allow her to deliver the service she was getting paid for. She just wanted to take the bag and run.
Still on Jess' side after this and Gia has just shown herself to be more petty and unprofessional.
She knows what she's done is shitty but she's never had to deal with consequences of it before because she has a name for herself. Now someone can actually speak up about her and she's shocked there are others when in any kind of situation this happens. Someone is the first to break the seal and the others follow.
She's asked it be handled by lawyers and not thrown around publicly but she constantly makes jab remarks at Jess so I guess it's just Jess that's not allowed to discuss it publicly? I refuse to believe she is this stupid and actually thinks it's blackmail what Jess is asking. Jess is reasonably asking for her money back because she did not get what she paid for.
To put it in another example, if I go to a movie theatre, pay for my ticket sit down to watch and after 10 minutes the movie stops, do you think the staff would say "lol sorry you saw some of the movie tho so we're keeping the money". Absolutely not. They'd be quickly trying to fix the issue or refund the money because I did not get the full experience.
Also kind of showing that she has a shitty lawyer when they openly admit they've not looked through any of the claims and evidence of Jess supposedly doing these things but they give a jab "hey keep your client in check okay? :)". Gia is just making herself look worse.
As someone who is chronically ill, something that you need to accept is that you are simply not able to do as much work as someone who is not chronically ill. It is a hard thing to accept, but it is a reality that must be faced in order to not let down others and yourself when you inevitably are unable to keep promises of work you cant do
This right here! It's hard to accept that you just don't get to work at the same pace/strength you used to, but Gia also never once used health issues as her cancellation reasons, her actual reasons were so flaky, but now she falls back on health issues when under fire from others. I know she doesn't *have* to disclaim what the issues are, but it looks incredibly bad and in poor taste.
I went through one hell of a depression episode because of this. One minute you’re the “go to” person who everyone comes to for assistance whether it’s at work, friendships, at home, and all the sudden you realize that even though you’re giving MORE effort than before, you just can’t do as much. Things that were so simple before you now need help, the look of frustration on the faces of others because you couldn’t get what’s expected done, but they don’t say anything because they know it’s not entirely you’re fault. And then you notice tasks you’ve always done flawlessly are now delegated to someone else…even if no one is horrible to you about it (which is best case scenario) you can still see it in their faces when you have to admit that you couldn’t finish something… I still struggle with accepting this even now and I’ve had nothing but support since my diagnosis 5 years ago. It’s a really hard pill to swallow 😞 But it is reality. And as hard as it is to accept it’s better to be honest with yourself and set realistic expectations instead of agreeing to too much and hurting someone else as a result
Gia is so passive aggressive and pretentious 😂 “We are often seen as celebrities” girl what
Because she was on Ink Master, her ego exploded. She needs to sit down because some artists of her seasons she was on are definitely more famous than she is.
You gotta wonder how much money makes it worth it to go through all of this, you know? I feel like peace of mind is worth more than the few thousand bucks, so maybe one shouldn't promise a mentorship one can't be reliable for. This could end up costing her so much more in the end, particularly if she loses a legal battle.
Thanks for the update (and a random time again 😂)!
I see what you’re saying for sure cause I’m pretty sure legal bills are no joke in America 😮💨
@saintblackangel yeah, it shows that Gia is used to doing this with multiple other people, it wouldn't make sense to only pull this scam on one person.
Gia's ego convinced her that she could do whatever she wanted, and as long as she name dropped or claimed some shit about her sponsors in every video, nobody would care that she was stealing money she had people prepay, and routinely telling them I'm a big name in the industry, you're wrong I'm right, I'll tell everyone you are lying even though you have proof!!
Gia fcccked up this time however, Jess said it doesn't matter if my name gets screwed over with this, I'm hurt, this was an artist I wanted to learn from and looked up to, and she is doing some really shady shit with multiple people!
people will really scream and cry IM NOT MANIPULATIVE IM NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU while relying on the other person's kindness and understanding to twist the situation in their favor
I don’t have a single tattoo but I enjoy your channel so much!
Same
Also same 😁
as i see it, jess posted a public review of her unsatisfactory experience with the service she paid for and did not fully receive. i think its pretty standard (and not extortion/blackmail) to agree to take down a bad review if the business makes it right, e.i. a refund.
I think she should get at minimum, a prorated refund. based on my calculations, she should get around $4700 back.
Jess paid for a service she didn't receive. That's the foundation of this whole dispute. Gia is trying to obscure that with legalese and attempts to portray herself as the victim, but at the end of the day, this other person paid for three months of mentorship and received eight days. If Gia had just owned up to not knowing what she was doing and being flaky when Jess originally raised her concerns, this whole thing could have been avoided; it definitely comes across like Gia only cares now because Jess decided to go public.
At the most, she could say "ok, we worked together for 8 days out of the full mentorship, here's my fee for this time and here's a partial refund"
It's not that difficult if you don't want to scam people. What are going to be the legal fees on that anyways? It's not worth the struggle
Not to be mean, but as someone with 2 chronic conditions, any time I have gotten a new employer or am mentoring someone, I IMMEDIATELY make it known that I have a few conditions which may cause problems with the schedule. I also make sure to put it in writing and have it signed off on so that people can't come back and say that "I'm not fulfilling my responsibilities and didn't know that there may be problems which could extend the job." Now, this doesn't happen often with me but is still something that I make people aware of. They don't need to know what those chronic conditions are but they should be made aware and it should be in writing. If Gia didn't disclose that this was a possibility, then she's at the wrong. I don't know if she's always in pain or if her medication makes her sick but it is still important to disclose. If it's something that happens more than 7 days per month, then she needs to consider not being a mentor.
The problem is trying to solve things via social media, Gia is protected by the contract IF she is providing the service accordingly, if not, just call a lawyer. Gia is the kind of person that will never admit she did something wrong and she will blame everybody but herself, so I wouldn't bother in keep posting videos about her.
i love the fact that you give both sides and receipts!!
I think a big part of the problem was the fact that Gia was in tattooing and mentoring out of the church that she was also in the process of renovating. From what I understand a lot of the cancellations were because of times where the church/studio had lost power, was too hot, had plumbing issues, etc. Which also raises the question of whether it was even safe to be working and tattooing there to begin with. But in any case I think Gia simply wasn't in a position where she could realistically take on a mentorship - she could simply admit her mistake, return the money minus the cost of the eight days that were done, and they could all move on from this.
I found you yesterday. One of the worst days of my life because I had to say goodbye to my dog that I loved for 14.5 years. His name was Reggie. The only thing I could do was binge your content. Thank you for what you do.
Oh my goodness I’m so so sorry 💔 I know there is no love like pet love and loosing such a wonderful pet is devastating. Huge hugs to you 🩷
I happened to read your comment and it broke my heart. My 14 year old dog passed away in February. Her name was Sioux, but then at the end of May, my kitty passed, too, and his name was also Reggie. It's been devastating, and I know you're going through the same thing. I'm sorry about your Reggie. He must have had a good life to live that long. Take care 🖤
Health issues aren't an exuse for poor judgment calls and inability to provide services. Be open, honest, and don't take on clients when your situation is iffy. Period.
i feel like there's too much like.. 'sympathy bait' type language from gia for it to not be intentional for trying to dismiss her for anything 'UWU I'M JUST A GIRL WITH TATTOOS' no ur apparently (i don't know her) someone big in the industry, YOU KNOW THIS. ur NOT 'just a girl'. i hate when big people act like they're nobody and amateurs to excuse their wrong doings like own up.
also the 'this took such a toll on me' i don't doubt that big people getting called out is stressful i mean. possibly being proven ur an asshole and bad actor and losing ur reputation + expected income at the time surely is stressful BUT IT'S PROBABLY A MILLION TIMES MORE STRESSFUL TO BE A NOT WELL KNOWN, SMALLER PERSON OR CLIENT W/E TO SPEAK OUT AND POSSIBLY HAVE UR ENTIRE LIFE RUINED FOR TRYING TO GET JUSTICE FROM BEING SCAMMED OUT OF A LOT OF UR MONEY
the advice to 'address' shit like this also. just sounds like stuff guilty people would say/do. if u did nothing wrong and ur innocent u prolly don't wanna post and delete and post and delete cos as WE ALL KNOW deleting and blocking are obvious signs of fraud or not wanting to address something and hoping it gets swept under the rug. if ur innocent u think u would damn well wanna keep the info up that ur innocent instead of it looking like u haven't addressed it at all and further harm ur reputation lol
also.. relying on others to 'cycle the info around' is just.. really stupid? 'yeaa some people got a hold of the info u might see it ur might not so u'll never know what the truth is or not cos it didn't come directly from me and it's available' like girl u know anyone can fake evidence too if u don't have direct statements up on ur page right?
Sooooo… as a teacher myself, there’s a HUGE difference between providing exercises/plans and practicing a skill with a helpful mentor. The argument that Jess can’t “unlearn” her experience just doesn’t really hold water for me. Because I’m assuming the “mentorship” was about having that rapport with a teacher while documenting your progress over time! Jess didn’t get the full experience so thus she shouldn’t have to pay the full price.
Hiring a tutor is very different than watching videos online or buying a book. One is much more involved and adaptive to the individual.
Now - the one thing I do have a question on is how long was the training supposed to actually last? I know she got 8 days but out of how many? I think a month was said.. but is that only weekdays? Maybe 20 days then? I want to know the ratio.
The mentorship was supposed to be 3months. (60 days total)
Jess had 8 days of training.
Gia owes a refund to Jess. No excuses.
3 months ❤
@@treacletatts Wasn't it 3 days per week for those 3 months? So about 36 days planned?
@@EmeraldAshesAudio I think you’re right cause on Jess’s calendar Wednesday - Friday was marked as the days she either attended (blue) or was cancelled on (red)
But the mentorship was meant to be beginning June till end of August 😄
Exactly! The fact that Gia thinks Jess is getting the full experience/knowledge base by independently completing a syllabus that is only brief dot-points of topics… yikes.
I have health issues as well ...and I run a business... you have to let people know what's going on ...but at the same time is you can't complete an apprenticeship, then you need to refund the person ... period... you can't hold their time and money hostage ...she didn't get what she paid for 8 days out of 3 months with the text cancelation shown ... stop playing and refund her
Snuggled up in blankets with my bubble tea and ready for the update!
Riddle me this:
How long did y'all beg, plead, and bargain with the school group project members? The ones who simply would NOT get their poop in a group? I certainly wouldn't have begged after they showed up for less than a third of the PRE-PAYED meeting times!! 🤣😂
Not when I had a 5-Hour fcking drive, and they showed, consistently, their lack of respect for me or my time!!
Okay!! Now imagine that, except, it's not a group member it's your professor!!!!!
The professor that you are paying as a private tutor at a highly inflated rate!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
The school would be pulling the instructor in, and telling them to get their shit together otherwise they are going to get sued; much like is rightfully happening now!!
As a disabled person, with MULTIPLE Chronic Illnesses, illness is NOT an excuse to be a flaky lying scam artist.
Giving such people leeway and benefit of the doubt, give all of us a bad look, which can effect us from being taken seriously and getting jobs.
8k for a 12 day mentorship is ridiculous.
$8k for 3 Months but Jess paid $6k for 8 days in total. She didn’t want to pay the last $2k as Gia let her down a here and there 🫶🏻
Having paid 6k to have to turn around mid multi hour drive several times is still insane. Inkmaster contestant or not, that price is ridiculous. Especially when Jess could've been working on those days had there been a little more communication prior to the drive out.
Electrical issues isn't something you can easily see, but bad weather typically has enough of a warning just by looking at the predictions.
I think it was meant to be 12 days a month for 3 months, but she ended up going there 8 days in June and none in July because of constant cancelling.
The quitting thing -- it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if Jess said "screw it I'm done". That's not the issue. The issue is that Gia is claiming everything was fine and the only reason the mentorship is over is because Jess didn't want to do the work and bailed. Jess did bail. Because she was constantly getting ghosted, losing income, and still being asked to pay for a mentorship that she wasn't actually receiving.
Don't get stuck in the weeds.
Also, as another person with chronic illnesses -- yes. She DOES owe her clients (some form of) that information.
When your health or personal life regularly impacts your professional life, people should be made aware. You don't owe anyone the *details*, but if your job requires you to be reliable and to uphold schedules and appointments, and you have something ongoing which you ALREADY KNOW may interfere and require rescheduling, your clients and coworkers have a right to know that upfront and before doing business with you. That's just being professional and respectful.
My advice to Gia: if you didn’t want people to think you were a shitty person, ✨you shouldn’t have been a shitty person✨ just sayin’
The gas money spent alone on Jess driving to Gia's shop, ooooof. Hope she gets to recoup some of that, too.
I feel like Gia constantly canceling and not living up to her expectations makes the contract null and void. Therefore Jess had the right to leave. If Gia wasn't going to satisfy the contract, why should Jess?
apparently Gia didn't even sign it in the first place lol
making it pretty unusable. The funniest part is that Gia not signing = Gia not putting a stamp on the non refundable part. If this goes to court she's probably gonna end up having to refund.
Was getting into this lawyer talk and realized i was snacking on moldy pop cheddar corn. 💩 Rotate those snacks friends.. 😂😅 back to story time.
LOL!!!! How dare you do yourself dirty like this 😤😂
Why does that somehow fit the situation? 😅🤣
Hope you'll be okay. 😬
@@treacletatts 💀
@@sylverscale well if I am not at least I'll know why... 👩🏽🏫 🦠🤦🏽♀️
this made me check my raw ramen lmaooo
✨Forever drama on Ink Master ✨
While Gia seems to be a really great artist, imagine your literal only claim to fame is I was on Ink Master, yeah I got voted off and I didn't win, but they put me on the show........ then I scammed a bunch of unknown artists in the same copy and paste play, with a tag team from my lawyer claiming I bear no responsibility for my own choices......
I'm great at scamming unknown artists that want to learn to hone their tattoo skills from me, I have them prepay me the salary, move up the payment deadlines without delivering the first amount of instruction hours, and then I'm going to be super insecure yet simultaneously hella egotistical about it -- needing to reassure myself as much as everyone else, that I'm a real artist and not an imposter.
Like GD Gia, you created your opponents argument, argued it and proved them correct, and then slandered the person whom you were just claiming was the slanderer 😂🤣
I love the color of your nails! I don't use social media much, so may be you already do this on another platform, but I would LOVE just a quick show of your nails each time you change them (as a YT short or just in the beginning of an episode or something). They look so unique!!!
It is absolutely ok for someone with health issues of any kind to be transparent with their clients and postpone an appointment when they need to. But the issue here isn't the this, it's the fact that Jess paid for a certain amount of days most of which were not given to her and she received no compensation. Regardless of the reason for these missed days, this is unfair.
@@evasheridan6026 Gia is making her illness Jess's problem and that's not fair. I'm also chronically ill. I no longer am self employed, but the heat where I live has taken the piss out of me the last week. I didn't even leave the house Sunday because it was close to 100F. To make sure I recover enough for going back to work, my dude made sure we had enough food and snacks for the family and that I didn't have much to do. My job as a nurse is exhausting at it's base level, never mind being ill and the weather just stomping me into the ground. But I learned when I got sick, and especially once it was apparent this is going to be the life I have forever, that I need to PLAN.
I'm not self employed anymore, like I said earlier, but when I was and early on in my illness, I had a lot of days where I coulsnt get out of bed or had to go to the emergency room or was admitted to the hospital. But I worked it out with clients and even my dad helped me get things sorted out when I was too sick to even lift my head up. I returned deposits and rescheduled or set them up with someone else to get services done. I did that because it was the right thing to do, even if I needed the money. Why should I keep money for something I never did? That's wrong and that's what Gia doesn't care to understand.
Gia is sounding incredibly self important, like “don’t believe Jess, she’s not even a well known artist, I’m a celebrity” I’m with Jess on this, Gia is p,aging the sympathy card with her illness but in my opinion it’s backfired. Personally I think Jess is the bigger person because she could have reacted a lot worse (I know I would if someone had stolen 6k from me) which is effectively what Gia has done.
Lauren! I just wanted to say that you’ve been my “comfort channel” for about eight years since before I even had any tattoos. You have such a soothing presence and I just wanted to let you know that you are so appreciated. I really admire how accepting and inclusive you are, and how you always make sure to hear everyone’s perspective on issues. Without trauma dumping too much, I am someone that lives with several chronic physical and mental illnesses including PTSD from domestic violence in my past. The way you so gently and protectively discuss issues like SA and LGBT+ issues makes me and many others feel so safe and accepted with you. You have also created an amazing community with your Facebook group where everyone just wants to support each other and share art and advice.
I think content creators rarely hear how much of a positive impact they have on their audience, so I wanted to express this gratitude! Keep doing what you’re doing, you are an amazing person and the things you do make a difference in people’s lives.
I don’t know about yall but the fact that Gia keeps telling Jess to stop reaching out to her or talking about the situation but does it multiple time to Jess is extremely infuriating.
Gis is a strait up thief, she has no excuse, her contract was one huge red flag, I felt strait off, she'd take advantage and end it at her will and keep the money. Well she's going to lose far more than $6000 she stole from jess now, deservedly. She's trying to cry victim but she's the bad guy here, just give the girl her money back. Gia seems to be the one on the threatening and harassment side, she needs to just claim she took advantage, never meant to give tgat young lady a proper mentorship, she is asked for a job but instead offers to make u pay to work with her. She's an entitled bully and thief
Gia seems to fundamentally not know the definition of SO MANY words. Like I think in her head
"defamation" = saying anything about me I don't like
"blackmail" = anytime someone does not immediately do what I request and instead askes for something in return
"extortion" = someone I don't like is asking me for something I don't want to do
"negotiation" = this person has to do what I want
"intellectual property" = the same as when people put on their sonic the hedgehog fanart ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL but this time it has ~magical legal properties~
None of this is true in the real world. She really gives off a vibe that she is living in a fantasy world where anyone who doesn't obey her is a vindictive antagonist hellbent on ruining her life....like girl kitty up and face reality Everything she has posted to prove that she is in the right only makes me doubt her and her integrity more.
I really think she doesn't understand that the way she handled the initial mentorship was WRONG she did not properly schedule her own time and at the end of the day she just does not understand that she really DID have responsibilities to Jess.
To your point about her health and "does she owe anyone anything" I understand the sympathy and frustration, but as someone who is also chronically sick (both mentally and physically) you DO owe people somethings sometimes even when you are unwell. If you make a promise to someone and charge them money for it and repeatedly break it while fully expecting that no consequence should ever reach you then you aren't some "struggling with illness" your an arshole who wants an excuse to get away with it.
Jess's whole issue was that she paid full price for a fraction of a service. No where in their initial conversations did any discussion about chronic illness come up, an unreasonable amount of late/same-day cancellations were due to inclement weather and that is just something that Gia does not think she has to take into account or plan for, which is not true. I agree with others that even tho I would like to extend sympathy, I do think she is bringing this up entirely for pity points and not out of an honest attempt at building trust and understanding
In her own posts she seems to be admitting that she's very comfortable with being a UwU High Profile Popular Tattoo Girl and is perfectly happy to act like this was all some hate mob cancel culture nonsense that she doesn't actually have to think about, address or come to terms with in any way. Her whole rant about "finding a resolution" is a self report - Jess tried multiple times to fix the situation, especially in the moment to ensure she had the quality of education she paid for. Gia was just not interested in any resolution or meeting in the middle because she childishly does not understand that she really did fck up
Its absolutely buckwild to see someone so convinced she is so right while all the evidence is right there to see she is so wrong
But....she already posted everything! Blackmail would be "Pay me back OR I WILL POST ALL ABOUT HOW CRAPPY YOU ARE ONLINE!" Gia doesn't understand what blackmail is, the threat already happened, lmao! The damage is done! LMFAO, can you imagine if blackmailers posted your nudes online for all your friends, family, coworkers, classmates, literally the whole world to see and THEN said "Give me money and I'll take them down"?!?!?! Uhhhh, what's the point sir and/or ma'am? I think I'll keep my money cuz if I pay you then I'll still be suffering humiliation and my nudes all over the internet for the rest of my life, but I'll also be out money now?
remember kids, it’s not defamation if it’s true
Gia's ego and unending narcissism of "oh my gosh I'm the victim for delivering 8 of the 31 days of work I was PRE-SALARIED FOR!!"
Gia really screwed herself in the pooch on this one, legally speaking.
The only thing that she legally COULD HAVE DONE, (with a signed contract, Gia didn't sign it, remember) is claim intellectual property damages for Jess showing a few book pages.
However :
Just like "Jess doesn't have a 'proper', legally binding' contact, with everything notarized"-- since Gia didn't sign it; guess freaking what!! LMFAO
Gia doesn't have protections on shit, either!!
The only reason you wouldn't sign the contract is if you knew ahead of time that you didn't want to uphold your end of the bargain.
Only if Gia pre-planned to misuse her privilege in the industry, and play legal footsie to bully Jess into silence (as we watched along and saw her attempt to do)- as Gia destroyed a new artist's place in the industry, before it even breathes.
Gia's lawyer is PISSSSED right now 🙃🤣Gia has nothing that says "Jess can never show her property", she was running her mouth all over social media and making herself look even worse!
Whereas if she let the legal and PR teams do their job:
They'd smooth her bullshit over with a sob story version of Gia's reality, focusing on the health implications-- which truly would have only covered a fraction of the times she employed excuses!!
"You can't come over because of the weather?", "Oh not today either because it's hot????"
The fuuuuuhhhh?!
The absolute MOST Gias lawyer can do, is to ask Jess, pretty please, to take it down.
Jess's lawyer, however, is dancing around and ordering a new shipment of Omaha Steaks. 😂🤣😂🤣
There is no legal backing to attempt to negotiate some sort of payment --just because Gia's work was shown.
She directed both a social media retaliation from someone asking for their money back, AND is attempting to legitimately gaslight and slander Jess.
She has given Jess's lawyer a sealed and shut case, this truly from a legal standpoint-- is ALLLLL on how Jess wants to do this.
Unless Gia somehow has a lawyer that's got legitimate black mail on Jess's lawyer; Gia legally did everything she shouldn't have done. 🙃🙃
Imagine showing your entire ass online-- and then trying to blame the person who was begging for you to do your part of the bargain.....
I know Gia wants to be butt hurt and act like people seeing a couple of configuration pages is going to ruin her business; but in a completely non-snarkey intended way, it's not original work for tattoo skill strengtheners.
Looking on RUclips we'll see full courses that Gia's will look exactly like, whether by intent or not.
The mental gymnastics she's performing in order to justify to herself...... just, wow.
How she thinks any of her behavior is appropriate-- is fascinating, frankly.
Lastly, I know we're being serious right now and both of them are attractive, but good lord, Jess is just delicious!! 🥰🥰🤣😂
The thing is, for Jess to be there she is giving up days without being able to work. It's not just the initial fee, she has to factor in all the lost income. It's so disrespectful for Gia to just expect that Jess can lose out on these hours indefinitely. If Gia keeps pushing the classes back later and later, Jess is probably having to cancel appointments that were already on her books.
I really don't like it when people call other people talking publicly about them "harassment". Telling the truth is not harassment. If you think the person lies, it's defemation and go to a lawyer but it's not harassment. Words have meanings, go check a dictionary
I’ve been waiting for an update omg
I am chronically ill too and whilst I get it up to a point, you also have to check yourself and realise your own reality. Clients won't start leaving in droves if you explain that for a couple of months your illness is gonna take priority, and may need to take more time off than usual. As long as you have open and honest communication, most humans will be quite forgiving and give allowances.
I do think she needs to be more upfront with her clients if her illness impacts her work or ability to go to work, or work effectively, rather than letting it all build up and blow up in your face, and only THEN do you say 'but but i'm chronically ill and this is how it all impacts me' ... when left too late it can feel disingenuous. It shouldn't, we should all be given grace for our pains, but thats not how this works if you don't communicate with your people. Put together with the word drops of 'industry' and 'friends in industry' and the bullying language it just feels like she's scrambling for any 'reasons' she can to excuse why the service was not fulfilled, while taking absolutely no responsibility.
Gia took money for a service she did not fulfill. Regardless of the reasons for the lack of fulfillment, the service *was not* provided. It would be the morally right thing to do, to refund Jess.
She paid for a service and bottom line she didn't receive it in full. Pretty sure she could sue for that.
If anything, the only possible mediation worthy to resolve this situation would be to divide the $6000 into the days of all 3 months that they were going to have this mentorship, subtract the 8 days of mentorship Jess received, add the calculated expenses Jess made (gas) for the days she was abruptly cancelled midway to Gia, and call it a day. You could add on other things like wages lost for Jess on the days she was supposed to be at the mentorship where she couldn’t book anyone, but that’s only if you want to get picky. Either way I’m all for Jess; be it Gia or another random artist, they have to know when they’re clearly in the wrong side of the situation.
6:25 to be fair to Gia, even if Jess is showing her inbox she can still hide the emails. If she wants to make Gia look shadier or is lying she could've archived the emails, blocked her lawyer or sent them all to spam or deleted them. Like, scrolling through your inbox on your phone (even all inboxes) doesn't show everything. All inboxes just means every email you have on that apps main inbox is being shown
I said something about this on the last video. A syllabus might be considered intellectual property. It has to be creative, either printed or posted online somewhere and original. I am a professor of studio art. I paused the video and looked at the syllabus. Obviously I can’t say whether it is original or not. But in my opinion it’s not creative. It outlines what she is going to teach about but it does not go above and beyond what my syllabi say and I would never consider them intellectual property. On this point I think Gia needs to get over herself. To me the part of the syllabus that I read seem like topics that would be covered in an apprenticeship. If Jess recorded Gia in the act of teaching her something and/or posted notes that Gia had written out that would be intellectual property assuming the notes were original.
Also, myself and most professors that teach online have video lectures posted. If someone else posted it to their channel I wouldn’t care. While I wrote the notes and everything the information in the lectures isn’t a secret and could be found through reading books, articles, reading/watching interviews ect.
Additionally, you aren’t infringing on copyrights (basically that is what intellectual property is, something that has copyright) if the person who originally said it or wrote it. That is why papers have citations in them. Using other peoples words so long as they are cited is not a copyright violation. 🤷🏻♀️
There really shouldn’t be an issue to just refund the difference and both parties move on. This whole hullabaloo could have been avoided. But Gia probably still would have got a comeuppance eventually considering her behaving this same way with clients.
I have a chronic condition and completely understand that sometimes shit happens. But as a working professional who made an agreement the common courtesy is to see if something can be worked out. And it seems like that didn't happen. Gotta applaud your commitment to remaining objective in all this and providing the full story, thank you.
Idk abt yall but "It's best if we call it" is just another way of saying you're quitting where I'm from so her trying to say "Well I didn't specifically say quit" just makes it feel like she's trying to weasel herself out of a bad situation she's put herself in
If you know you have a health condition like that, maybe telling the person who is considering to pay for a three month mentorship that you might have days where you will have to cancel last minute for medical reasons and propose a way of how to work around that could be a way to avoid this kind of a messy situation. Also if you're working from a space that can get so hot that it's unsafe and you still offer a mentorship during summer, you should disclose that and have a plan on how that's going to be handled. That way people know what to expect and can make an informed decision.
Knowing she has so many things going on that may result in her not being able to provide the service she was paid for and on top of that making Jess sign a contract saying it's non refundable feels incredibly predatory. Both parties deserve fair conditions and respect of ones live circumstances. I kinda feel like if Jess had something happen, forcing her to cancel some days, it would have been a "that's your problem" situation.
The fact that Jess didn't recive a cease and desist immediately kinda makes me think that Gia doesn't want to take Jess down. The thing is though, if Jess doesn't stop she could be sued for defamation and/or slander, and she could be convicted of that even if her claims about Gia is true and she's in the right when it comes to the mentorship program. Because they are different legal cases. What interests me, about all the online drama theese days, like with Illuminaughty, is that people are turning to the public in order to get some kind of psychosocial accountability. And now, all of us, people from all around the world are becoming this massive jury.
Jess said that her laywer told her that the contract is not in her favour, that the mentor could easily just flake out and Jess wouldn't be able to do anything about it. So the legal and economical protection has failed her. Also I think it's important to point out that a legal conviction has a different accountability outcome than a psychosocial one.
And that's why I don't think either Jess or Gia has taken those "standard" legal actions. I think Jess would've been open to taking the economical loss and removed the clips if Gia took her critique to heart and made changes to improve the mentorship for future mentees.
Hilarious Gia posted after some of this how people think of her as a celebrity... She's so out of touch it's sad
Oh my gosh another one! You’ve blessed my feed 💕
I too have chronic health issues, don’t know how ill feel day to day, I would never enter into a financial relationship like this because I know how flighty my ability to commit can be. But let’s say I did want to be a professional, I wouldn’t get upset when someone wasn’t happy after I treated their time and investment this spotty. Hence “professional”. She’s perpetuating this stereotype of the chronically ill as drama queens, helpless “takers” and excuse makers
Pretty sure Jess asking for a refund to take down her post would not meet the legal definition of extortion - but any lawyer can correct me. If it is, then surely many settlements involving payment of money requested in exchange for the other party to do an action, which is made between the parties with lawyers, would be extortion.
She should have just given her back some of the money and maybe requested jess give back any learning materials or whatever. 6K for 90days. That's like 2K a month, give her back 4k and be done with it....if gia is successful enough that shouldn't have been a problem, contract or not. But maybe she's not doing well financially...but also, is like to see the messages where Jess said they should just end it. Did Jess ever explicitly say "I'm done, let's just end it BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER AVAILABLE And it's NOT WORKING OUT". ? OR did Jess just say 'im done "... Because then I can see why this is so out of control bananas
I've been waiting for this update ♡
You are adorable
I'm always here for the tattoo drama. I really enjoy it when you cover this type of content.
I love how you pause while reading to look up a word. I do that too. 😊
I feel. so bad for Jess. she really did nothing wrong here and Gia, a childish scammer, is waving a lawyer around instead of refunding Jess. pathetic
Started following Jess on Insta after your 1st video
The tea is getting hotter 🔥
I mean, sure, things happen and people may need to cancel things. But when you make financial commitments to a person, you reschedule the moment you cancel, you don't just cancel and leave it be.
This is about Gia's incapability to admit to herself being wrong and refusing to just refund the money and be done with it. If you are feeling this targeted, hun, just give her back her money. There is absolutely no reason to keep dragging this on, especially when she spoke out about the exact same thing not that long ago.
Even if you have a health condition that might lead to cancelled classes, you SAY that up front, and then you reschedule as many times as necessary in order to provide the service you were paid for. It's not a get out of jail free card
@@jello4835 there's a few too many who think it's OK that Gia did what she did because she's sick. No, she's a scammer and needs to do the right thing
Thanks for the update girl! 🤘🏼💖🤘🏼
You can prorate classes. There is evidence of how much time Jess paid for and how much she got. Just price it out and give her a refund for the days she didn’t get to work. You cannot just keep on adding extra “make up days” forever and expect her to stick around months after she was supposed to be done.
Ngl I like watching Ink Master and I won’t lie, I didn’t like Gia from the beginning. But tbh I thought it was because they wanted her to have a certain character on the show as they do it with some of the artists on the show. Like they are nice people irl but annoying as hell on the show. However once this came out, I see why I didn’t like her now. I clearly side with Jess here.
As an avid reality tv show watcher I totally understand what you’re saying sometimes editing really can make someone a villain 😂
@@treacletatts yeah it really can
I didn't particularly like her on her own but the men on that season were so awful and some said really unwarranted things about her looks, it was terrible. So I ended up always kinda on her side.
@@Maialeen yeah the men were pretty bad in that season.
If you know your health issues will cause you to cancel, don't charge and run a class you can't deliver on. I have lots of health issues that causes Mr to cancel hanging out with friends and family, but im not charging them. I also am aware of my problems and try to find compromises or items that will help me get through it. Like if I'm going somewhere loud, I'll bring headphones etc.
Not saying she should be forced to work if she isn't feeling well. Just saying committing to a contracted class that she made, that's on her.
Also saying the pandemic is a reason?? I thought this happened recently like this year? Lockdown in the US ended around end of 2021. It's now 2024, using that as an excuse now doesn't make sense.
The reason Jess isn’t responding to the lawyer MAY be bc legally it’s advised for you (in general) to no talk to the other persons lawyer. Often they can use intimidation tactics. If their lawyer really wanted or needed to address something they would contact your lawyer. If they don’t 🤷♀️. They don’t need to contact you personally without your lawyer present. And you don’t need to answer them without a lawyer present. At least in the United States.
Not to mention Gia admitting that Jess came to her for a money making JOB and Gia admits to convincing Jess to do a mentorship where she (Jess) loses money.
Only to be irresponsible and miss so many days and not let her know ahead of time to where she could’ve booked clients in those days.
She’s losing money mentoring with you which would be fine if she was getting a service.
But you’re not providing her with the service you agreed to in your own contract.
She does not have a good case of this were to go to court no wonder her lawyers are trying to get Jess to talk with them without her lawyer. They’re desperate.
What I found REALLY wrong was cancelling on Jess at the last minute when she knows she is so she has wasted all that time driving and just has o turn around. I think Gia has just gotten a pretty big ego.
Love how quickly you got part 2 up 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm having a mental breakdown so ideal time to take my mind off of it.
My love nooooo ☹️ I’m sorry!! Big hugs 🩷
I am sympathetic to Gia’s health issues, HOWEVER, she didn’t say any of this before.
2 things can be true at once. Can her health get in the way of her work? YES. Is that the situation between her and Jess? Absolutely not.
She did not respect Jess’ time and is not taking ANY accountability for her actions. Not even a little and to take it further, she paints Jess as a villain rather than it being a simple misunderstanding.
From the texts, Jess was trying really hard to make things work while Gia only saw it as an attack.
Jess is definitely salty about the situation and you see it in how she is reacting. While she may be unwise in how she reacts, she is still, in my opinion, in the right for her contract situation with Gia.