Everything Wrong With Blackdot Tattoos | Another Tattoo Gimmick?
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024
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In todays video we take a deep dive look at a new tattoo business by the name of Blackdot.
Blackdot is company that offers small high detailed tattoos done by a robot and promises an array of things that are an ''improvement'' on the tattoo industry as we know it.
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its so funny how buissnesmen always seem to miss the point in every community. we don't want an "easier" way to get tattoos, we don't want something to "ease" workload and take jobs away, we don't want ai to make our music, WE DONT WANT A 5TH REMAKE OF THAT MOVIE!!!
lol true
They’re to busy counting the money they think they’re going to make
I do want self checkout though because I am both introverted and on the spectrum, and also work customer service (against my better judgement) and have spoken to enough people long before I have to pick up my groceries. Like, I could've had a week off already and I'm still burnt from talking to people and forcing small talk.
If they have to take some of them away because of theft, fine, but I will wait longer in a longer line of it means I don't have to force one more conversation this week.
@islandboy4445 I'm in Australia and I get my groceries delivered. It costs almost nothing and they drop them at the front door. I don't have to talk to anyone. I can finally become a recluse.
@@islandboy4445self checkout isn’t really in the same league as generative AI.
honestly this seems like they're not even aiming it at people who are actually in the tattoo community, it's for corporate tech bros who think they're better than tattooed people but still want a tattoo anyway
Nailed it. And I know tech bros. I am in Seattle and I am married to a developer(but not a bro!) These guys would never walk in a real shop to tell the truth. And it's out if Austin which is a tech hub so it tracks.
My thoughts exactly.
Agreed. I think that's exactly why they complain about tattoo parlors. They've had a bad experience because they have terrible vibes.
Course not… bc I think even they know that ppl who respect the art, respect the industry & respect the artists would never support this… mostly bc the last thing anyone who is truly apart of this community supports is stealing other ppls art & copying peoples tattoos…. That’s the who foundation of this company. This is the same model as TikTok… Just copy & pretend you’re doing something ground breaking while never having a real, original idea of your own. (That’s not all of TikTok but…. Let’s be real. That’s all TikTok is on the surface. Trends & a bunch of kids trying to copy a kid who has more clout… so this is for those ppl)
This reminds me of everything around the cyber truck. It’s not good at being a mode of transport but tech bros will pay anyway to be the first. They all just care about showing their allegiance to tech. They want to be an “early adopter” and say they were there when it started even if it means a terrible tattoo
I hate that so many tech inventions/advancements always target the creative field. I want robots to help me clean the house and do my taxes, not draw my art for me!
For real!! Why are we getting AI art/writing and tattoo bot before we get robot maids??
This
Make an AI robots the clean the ocean or sweep streets they don’t all have to be artists and screenwriters haha
It's because the customer is a business, not the consumers.
The plan is push out the artists making good stuff so that enough of the population will be forced to accept their pos.
Beyond that, if you make cheaper widgets, Pirates can steal those. No one can steal a server farm. Plus then, all they have to make is some code. They don't need to make anything physical in most cases and that is way easier.
I mean cleaning houses and doing taxes is someone’s job. Technology has been advancing in the tattooing industry, I mean can you image first tattoo machine someone said, I don’t want a robot I want a stick and poke tattoo. That’s not even taking in to account then advancement of so many other things like good reference photos on the internet and advancement of pigments.
Tbh the deviantart CEO appearing in their promo video was a pretty big red flag for me. Expect there'll be lots of stolen and AI generated art involved in this and a profit over people attitude
I mean, the designs they had for the pre-release stuff referenced existing albums.... The star nymph was openly advertised as coming from a Smashing Pumpkins album.... And Mona Lisa being their "signature tattoo"... Their designs are already stolen!!
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking of it. The stolen art and AI shit was why I left DA a long time ago. Fuck, even the ‘star nymph’ thing they showed was straight off Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Though to be fair I don’t know where the Smashing Pumpkins got that image from. Either way, clearly not an original piece.
They literally reference “generative art” which is AI and, by definition, stolen.
@@chojay13 Not to defend this but I assume the high price of the tattoo includes a licensing fee for the artwork. They did seem to be pretty clear one of their goals was to pay the artists, which is the only aspect of this I could even remotely get on board with lol
I felt the same way, as soon as deviantart was mentioned I knew this was gonna be a shit show in one form or another.
Not even tattoo artists can escape the ai art takeover 😭
It pisses me off that their art could be part of what the AI is using to mash it into a picture.
It’s everywhere 😭 😭 found out the company I work for hired an Ai Specialist. Everyone is scared of losing their jobs in the next 5 yrs (I’m not in tattoos, but art related) :/
Nah they're gonna get TONNES of work doing coverups on these shit "tattoos" 😂😂
It’s not just art, when I did my law degree I had to read and write an essay about AI in the legal profession - basically rendering paralegals obsolete. It’s why I refuse to use self service checkouts and try to limit my interaction with AI and automation. I want people to have jobs. I know it’s a losing battle but still.
@@samjayne8297 i don’t think it’s gonna be losing battle for artists, at least not for a LONG time, cause AI still cannot understand requests and make changes as well as humans can, and i doubt it ever will…
You nailed it when you pointed out they're not tattoo enthusiasts, they're just tech bros looking for an industry to "disrupt" so they can attract venture capital and then sell the company and move on to the next thing.
YUP, exact same as the bros behind Ephemeral
This is going to be popular for exactly 5 years. It’s amazing how many times I’ve seen people trying to convince the general public that their tiny, high detailed tattoos heal differently somehow, and how many times the general public believes them.
yeh definitely! any time i’ve got tattoos i’ve been advised as to how small they should be so they don’t heal awfully
“BuT mY arRisT knOws WHat thEY’re dOinG”
Every. Time. I tried to warn my bf’s sister years ago about her fine-line mini tattoo. Guess who’s upset it’s almost faded out?
It's a device (akin to a tattoo printer), it's capable of more than just fine line.
@@blackdot_tattoo yall do not understand what people mean when they say this will age poorly. Tattoo artists don’t not do small detailed tattoos because they physically can’t, it’s because they don’t age well no matter how well they are done initially.
@@blackdot_tattoo Go away guys no one wants you here. Come back when you invent a machine that can move around a curve, and more importantly, one that respects the rules of tattooing and doesn't make tiny designs with gaps in the skin that will disappear after a few years of healing. Mugs.
It's completely wild that they think the only obstacle in the way of microrealism tattoos is the talent of the artist. That's so deeply insulting. Instead of doing one google search on the style to see WHY it was rare, they just assumed that it was because artists lacked the necessary skills. Incredible. I hate every part of this.
We can do more than micro realism if that's not your preferred style
@@blackdot_tattoooh wow you’ve been replying to comments for like 3 hours are you not bored??
@blackdot_tattoo why not expand more upon your product. You leave sparse and nebulous comments but no further details directly relating to actual context of what was written. Says a lot....
Exactly! I’m sure most everyone in this community has seen images of incredible, tiny realism tattoos that look a million times better than the examples they showed! Granted, they don’t look that incredible for long, but it’s not people lacking in talent that is the problem! It’s the canvas!
@@blackdot_tattoo this is so embarrassing, as if the people in this comment section would be your potential customers... we're not and this really looks desperate.
Love how they act like they care about crediting and compensating artists but keep mentioning “generative art” (aka ai art, aka stolen art) as a selling point
it's so funny that they want people to believe that getting a high detail fine line tattoo from a machine is any different than getting it done by a tattoo artist. like, we already know that they don't heal well when done by humans, what on earth makes you think that ai would be any different 😭
Like if the body heals differently just cause it was done by a robot, as if that would make any difference. This is just scamming people who don't know any better.
@@gggthsbexactly!
They’re banking on people not knowing that the reason details don’t stay with healed tattoos isn’t because of the artist (generally). It’s because of how our bodies heals. Our skin decides to fuck shit up because it thinks we got a nasty scrap
The difference is one costs $3000…
If a tattoo gimmick comes with an NFT, just… don’t. 😂
Who needs an NFT of your tattoo when you can ask the artist for the initial print out of the linework?
Are they afraid someone will steal the art right off your body? Worst use case I ever heard
Seems fine to me. People who are chill and want to have an authentic experience of human connection can get tattooed by real people and people who want to micromanage getting tattooed and who are likely to be a giant royal pain as a client can have a robot do it, until the company goes out of business because no one who actually gets tattooed or does tattoos for real wants this.
And be $3k less in the bank
@@deltasaves seriously, for $3k I'd picture a halfsleeve at minimum. Or even a full sleeve depending on the style. Not a 2×2in that won't even last. 😭
@@bryannakellogg2029 getting scammed for all that 🤣🤣🤣
The first thing that came to my mind as I started watching this is the blood, sweat and tears that went into my calf tattoo. I'd only had my arm tattooed before that, so it took me completely by surprise when I realised how tickly it was, making my leg muscles want to contract every time the needle hit. For hours, the artist and I worked together to make that tattoo happen -- me by supressing the twitching for as long as I could, and her by being incredibly in tune with my body language and lifting the needle when she could see that I could not take it anymore. No machine could ever replicate that trust and human connection, no matter how 'precise'.
Ok as a tattoo artist there are multiple things that I want to ask about this
- How much of the machine can you take appart/clean ? you'd be surprised where the blood and ink can end up. Unless the entire area of the machine that sits above the skin can be taken off and cleaned with a disinfectant wipe, its unsanitary.
-If a client has an adverse reaction, how quickly can you help them ? That could be fainting, spasming, puking, passing out... You never know how people are going to react to a tattoo. If the machine takes longer than a hand movement to be safely away from the client's skin so they can be helped, then its dangerous.
-How does it handle older skin ? Or healed scar tissue ? We have to adapt the speed of our machine, the pressure exerted and how much we stretch the skin pretty much based on person to person. I simply dont think it can adapt to properly work on every skin type.
All in all, I dont think its a threat to the industry. I think its another example of tech bros/wealthy people trying to take something thats usually "lesser" for them (tattoos are still seen as quite trashy by the mainstream) and make it into an exclusive behind a paywall.
Keep in mind im only halfway through the video but I just wanted to express my concerns before I forgot.
I like how the black dot channel is snarkily replying to everyone who questions their veracity, but you raise good questions and they completely ignore your comment.
Something something "the technology will mature" with some AI sprinkled all over
THESE WERE MY EXACT CONCERNS TOO!! (fellow tattoo artist here, an apprentice)
Bio nerd here and I immediately had the same concerns too.
Plus the whole thing reminds me of the Juicero, remember that disaster? People still.use juicers and Juicero is out of business.
This technology as far as I know was developed for injections for people that can't have regular injections because they will bleed to death (disease that prevent a person from healing any skin break), so no blood there, the ink droplets are injected with pressure so almost no skin break happens.
Apart from that the rest issues remain. Takes loooong, not so flexible with placement and size especially going bigger etc.
Also this method cost like few grands, so not many will afford it and therefore this tech won't improve a lot.
It won't cost 30-60$ per tattoo which junior artist can charge when they start.
The biggest red flag for me is the promise of high detail. Tattoo artists have the ability to make highly detailed tattoos. There are so many examples of it - and they’re usually by the shadier artists who don’t care that it will look like crap in a few years. Imagine how detailed the true masters could go! The lack of detail is NOT a skill issue. It’s a property of skin.
The way my jaw dropped when they labeled those two guys as tattoo collectors… for “tattoo talk” 😂 I cannot!!!
Maybe they collect photos of tattoos? That must've it, right?
I know, all I could think was "are the tattoo collectors in the room with us rn or???" I didn't even see the one singular tattoo the one had on the left for the majority of time they were talking
Because anyone who actually creates or loves tattoos wouldn't go near this.
They might have a full bodysuit for all we know - you can’t judge people’s tattoo ness by face/neck/hands alone
@mychaoticneutralace4617 gosh youre probably right, despite loving using sarcasm myself I'm horrible at recognizing it from others😭
I love how the axolotls seem to be multiplying behind you :D
The fact that the founder said "whatever that process looks like" when referring to getting tattooed is SO telling
Heck no! Seen too many Final Destination films to even consider this! 🤣
LOL!!! That’s such a good point 😂💀
Haha yes! That was my first thought. That tanning bed one made me scared to ever enter one
I was just thinking this, makes me think of the laser eye surgery scene 😭
Pinterest tattoos are gonna be so much easier to steal if this machine takes off somehow. This whole company feels like a red circus tent.
tech bros really don't stop at anything...
I'm pretty sure that the people willing to pay $1000 for a 2-inch tattoo are the same people who paid to go to the Fyre Festival.
Ha, we'll ask those clients that question
@@blackdot_tattoo hope you make enough money to afford a lawyer for all the future lawsuits you've got coming
Hey, look at that, Black Dot found your video. It's a small world wide web after all...
@@anacsadder not really, they've been fighting people in the comments for hours and even confirmed they blocked a tattoo artist bc they didn't like his criticism
@@pauwula Ah, so we can add "professional" the list of their qualifications too, lol :P
I googled up Vince and found several photos of him in short sleeves - now, they could have been older and he's been heavily tattooed since then, but in those pictures, he had no visible tattoos. Can't wait to see that Mona Lisa tattoo in a few years 😅
Vince Kadlubek is not our CEO, he's the Founding CEO of Meow Wolf and a friend of the Company.
@@blackdot_tattooeat shit
@@blackdot_tattoothe comment didn't state that he was the CEO. It states that he did not have visible tattoos
@@ciemno_w_norce what does it matter if he doesn't? You can't like tattoos unless you're sleeved out? And the only reason this was brought is bc yall tied him to this company. Just more of another community tryin to gatekeep whos allowed to enjoy it.
This is a big NO. I see the future of black dot tattoo being dissapointed clients and the business going into bankruptcy. $3000 for a tiny tattoo? You can get some serious beautiful custom work for that.
We have plans for
@@blackdot_tattooThe price isn't the issue, the size is. You try to tell people to pay 1k + for what people consider a "shop minimum" tattoo. A shop minimum is usually around $120-$150
@@blackdot_tattoo you say less than one thousand as if that’s a good price???? It won’t last, and even at one thousand is still 20x a normal price!
@@blackdot_tattooI have a half sleeve for $500. Charging thousands for something so small it won’t be able to hold the detail you’re using as a selling point is highway robbery. What does your “signature” tattoo look like 6-12 months later when it’s healed and settled? I’d bet money half of that detail is already gone.
I cannot imagine my leg twitching vigorously while the robot just hovers over it at the same height. Nightmare fuel! On the positive side, I think this will be for the curious tech savvy tattoo fans for a bit and will only -if ever- stay for those who don't want tattoos for the art, but rather to brag about them.
Yes!
My artists is use to my spasmodic muscles now and has epic strength to keep my skin in place and I haven't noticed any inconsistency in those areas. Tattoo artists use both their hands for a reason 😅
The Blackdot device doesn't hover, there is a component called the contactor that is in contact with the skin and exposes a window to tattoo. There is built in tolerance for mild body movements. If there is a major movement, our vision system immediately sees the change and suspends operation.
@@blackdot_tattoo did you deliberately choose the Mona Lisa because it's in public domain and you don't have to pay anyone? Seems counter intuitive to what you were saying about supporting artists.
@@blackdot_tattoo yeah I seen the massive red square around the tattoo that's obviously from unnecessary pressure from the machine.
Are any of these people aware that plenty of tattoo artists can and DO in fact make fine art, street art and cover art? There's a reason what we draw to put on skin looks different from what we put on canvas!
My tattoo artist makes amazing hyper realistic pencil drawings. She does not tattoo them 😂😂
What we're doing is establishing a licensing program that ensures that visual artists are paid royalties each time their art is used as a tattoo. We want to enable more artists to participate in the industry, and for clients to have more choices.
@@blackdot_tattooclients have choices, it’s called custom tattoos…
@@treacletattsbut in the current system the tech bros are not paid. Blackdot fixes that! Also I think they should somehow find a way to include NFTs somehow for even more disruption.
@@treacletatts They're trying so hard to invent tattoo problems that don't exist.
Artists: we love adapting to parameters and limitations and making something beautiful. We have built a history, culture and visual language around the specific limitations of making art on skin.
Tech bros: You know how all tattoos are a similar style? This is a problem for...technology!
This is going to be embarrassing for any tattoo artist that was sponsored with this service...
Not getting that feedback from Dillon Forte, Okan Uckun, or Omer Tunca (all renowned tattoo artists)
@@blackdot_tattoo who? Never heard of any of those. And clearly you don't expect people to have either, as you have to leave a little disclaimer at the end on how they are all tattoo artists. There are millions of tattoo artists out there, getting a couple onboard is not the flex you think it is. There will always be someone willing to jump onboard on a gimmick if you pay them enough
@@blackdot_tattoo"renowned tattoo artist" isnt necesserily the compliment you think it is lmao bang bang is a "renowned tattoo artist" too if you ask the right (or wrong) person 💀
Even if we disregard the MANY red flags, the only thing that distracts me from the pain of getting tattooed is talking to the artist. The idea of being in a clinical setting and having my arm strapped down for hours while I get stabbed by a robot sounds like an actual nightmare
Most of our clients fall asleep while getting tattooed. No reports of nightmares either.
@@blackdot_tattooThat’s so crazy! Especially since they’re getting the tattoos for that warm, intimate experience with the artist that you just cannot get with regular tattoos.
Everything about this is absolutely insane. The whole idea, the "tattoo collectors", the complete misunderstanding of tattoo culture. But when you revealed the price tags, my brain literally melted. How is this even a thing, aaaarrrghhhhh
Tattoo culture is changing ...
@@blackdot_tattoo Not in the way you think it is. @treacle made very good points here.
@@blackdot_tattoo No. Tattoo culture is not changing. People who don't understand it are getting a tattoo. Big difference.
Tattoo culture isn't changing. Unfortunately more and more people are getting tattoos (usually one tattoo) who don't care about tattoo culture, disrespect artists and won't go into normal tattoo shops. The only benefit I can see from this type of gimmicky tattooing is that it will stop obnoxious tech bros from booking with talented artists.
Not to mention, "I really see this as the future, just all of the elements that Black Dot combines together to be Black Dot" sounds like a kid that didn't read the book trying to do a book report in school.
Lol at "Wash your mouth out with some respect."
At least he's not reading a teleprompter, he's expressing how he genuinely feels about the company along with what we're enabling in tattoo
@blackdot_tattoo next your gonna tell us your commercial materialised out of thin air because the universe just loves your product so much. for a company it is absolute pathetic and completely unprofessional to be going into a small youtuber’s comment section because they didn’t like your product and it hurt your feelings. if you know what’s good for you, start deleting your comments and pretend this never happened.
@blackdot_tattoo LMAO, is that supposed to be a come back?
Maybe it really is a little kid trying to do a book report on a book they didn't read.
@@ZimVader-0017 It's giving "I know you are but what am I?"
@@blackdot_tattoo maybe get people that have more than 1 tat to weigh in on tat related shit
$5000?!?! WHAT IN THE HELL?! Insanity.
And they said they were making tattoos "more accessible"... as if!
@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 right?! Ridiculous!!
$5500 even worse
I think my car is worth as much as that tattoo which is really depressing.
For real, I just got a huge detailed tattoo on my thigh that took 8 hours total and paid 550 eur for it... and this tiny shit is ten times that???
This machine has the dystopian feel of a career reward in The Sims.
LOL
If it goes far, cover-up artist and laser removal are going to make bank
Maybe not laser removal. We uniformly deposit the ink (no deep ink wells) which means it takes far less sessions to remove a Blackdot tattoo (bad news for laser removal clinics that charge per session). We also don't scar, our tattoos are perfectly smooth, to ridges on the edge
@@blackdot_tattooI'm curious to know how many people, how many skin types, etc. you've tested this machine on to think you know this for sure.
@@blackdot_tattoo So you have actually come up with a way to make your tattoos easy to remove 😂 Why? Isn't your tattoos supposed to be SOO good? Do you relay to your clients how skin heals over time and what those tiny and detailed tattoos will look i a couple of years? What kind of knowledge do you have about tattoos to begin with? Are any of you tattoo artists, or a part of tattoo community in any way? I refuse to believe that your clients are actual tattoo enthusiasts or tattoo collectors.
@@blackdot_tattoooh, so they are easily removable. I guess the fade just as easily then
I saw videos of robot machine putting simple nails polish on and how much you have to not move and have perfect shape of nails for it to work. Can't imagine similar machine putting on me a high detailed tattoo
Oh don’t worry, they strap you down. You can’t escape even if you wanted to!
My tattoo is over 30 years old. Tattoos were not as popular then. But my experience was so much fun! I went to a tattoo shop owned by a lesbian couple who were brilliant. They had an albino cayman in the waiting room. In 2021 Kings Cross Tattoos re-inked my tattoo. Again I had a wonderful time. I am a moderately disabled, middle aged woman now and the shop did so much to make my experience pleasant & comfortable. While I don’t display my small tattoo, I am really happy with it and the people who made it. I bought the shop some flowers which the men even appreciated. It’s people that make the difference. Everything you stated during this video was spot on! Best wishes from Yorkshire
the MOMENT that they said 'deviantart founder' I lost it
Kirk Fagan, another tattoo youtuber did a video on the tattoo robot and he said he doesn't like the idea and the company contacted him trying to change his mind and positively promote the tattoo robot. Idk if it's the same company but yeah, kirk said he won't change his mind on not liking it because they told him to.
i was gonna mention him too! his opinion was really great
It IS the same company! The CEO of Blackdot contacted him directly. And I can confirm that he has NOT changed his opinion on how much he hates this company. LOL (I know this for a fact because I'm his girlfriend)
@malhadadoepigono YES I am! It’s so cool to see people talking about his videos and mentioning him! I’m so proud🥰
This is so frustrating bc tattoo artists are MORE than capable of doing those insanely stupid detailed tattoos. The good ones just won't because they care about clients and the future of their work!
The “suction is better than wiping” sounds good in theory, but surely it’ll be drying out the tattoo as it goes, which is the last thing you want!
"Surely"? We have automated delivery of a lubricant on the skin, the ink is unable to penetrate it, instead resting on top (like a hockey puck on ice). It's easy for us to use suction to remove it.
@blackdot_tattoo A trained human tattoo artist will add moisturising balm as they go before they apply the ink but also will ensure the parts that are already tattooed also remain moisturised until it’s finished and ready to wrap up. Having suction at all times will dry out the tattoo which is not good for the skin.
What the hell are you talking about? What do you mean the ink is unable to penetrate the lubricant? 😂 you guys are just an overpriced tacky gimmick that people who love tattoos would never go to!
when tech bros came for therapy I knew that nothing was sacred
I do find it interesting the amount of tattoo gimmicks release the last 10 or so years.
it's to be expected since the industry is becoming more and more mainstream (in a good way). Companies always prey on things that experience a sudden boom because they want to get their dirty little fingers into the game without knowing anything about the community they are trying to exploit.
Just need to combine Blackdot and Ephemeral Tattoos. As the details fade, so do the whole tattoos. Or you get the worst of both with blotchy looking tattoos that fade unevenly and blurred details
I got sad when I realized the tattoo designs were from my favorite smashing pumpkins album. This means they’ve gotten a license to use the art in their gimmick.
Also… the Virgo tattoo looks like mold
My jaw DROPPED when I saw the designs. I’ve contemplated getting something from that album art as a tattoo several times throughout the years. Think I’ll pass. 😬
Smashing Pumpkins used art from public domain.
No i said the same thing . I've been a pumpkins fan for almost 10 years and i've wanted (what they called) the star nymph design for years. I even found a local artist with a really beautiful art style who i might want to go to. But now it just feels scummy... like UGH :(
The Virgo tattoo is not even the correct constellation. It's Hercules...
I used to chat with one of these guys at the dog park. I told him basically everything you said. He "just wanted to see what technology could do" and yes these people have no clue about the art and history of tattooing. They can't even conceive of the matters of soul that are intrinsic to creating art and one person applying it to another's skin. They're just like, "Yeah but the machine doesn't make mistakes." 🙄
"machine doesn't make mistakes" 🤣🤣
Like, this is how we're getting crashes from "self driving", people actually believing their machine won't make a mistake when they absolutely do. Compared to humans rate of mistake tho? Maybe could be less, proper data would be needed to show that (Like self driving, they pad their safety numbers by using comparison data where self driving would not be used ATM like snow storms, so it's possible they're be safer long term)
I think its so cool as a concept. I am facinated by the tech behind it. I hope it thrives. Those who wish to see a real artist can and those who wish to have a machine do it can have this option!
It's giving Claire ear piercing gun 😫
Omg it is 😭✋
I bet it's exactly as possible to sterilize!
I like that they think it is going to stay looking good because they got the ink in the 'perfect' spot. Like, dude, it took you twelve tries to just get a dot so it's not blown out and we're supposed to believe it's now tattooing in some magical ageless spot?
That constellation was with a prototype back in 2019, it was our first tattoo on human skin. We made that image and text available in our backstory book, it's not representative of where was are today.
@@blackdot_tattoo Do you have any evidence that this very expensive, tiny, high detail tattoos are not going to turn into unreadable blobs in less than 10 years?
@@blackdot_tattoo so you did art on people before you were ready? And expect us to not take the only five year old tattoo of yours into consideration? That is the only idea we have of how it ages.
@blackdot_tattoo the constellation you couldn't even identify correctly (it's Hercules, not Virgo 💀)
+1 to the list of people with tats that did not ask for this!
No, just no. You would still need a person in the room to supervise so what's the point! You are strapped down and what happens if you get lightheaded and need a break? You're feeling sick or have to go to the bathroom? Not only that but the boredom of being stuck in that clinical ass looking room. You form such a special bond with your tattoo artists and this is just a pale imitation and probably won't last long considering how expensive it is
@@blackdot_tattoo Someone's overly defensive...
@@blackdot_tattoo”bio breaks” 😂🙄 another super cool attempt to make it sound futuristic and exciting coming off as completely out of touch and flavorless.
@@blackdot_tattoo then why even do it? If you need a whole team of people just to make a subpar tattoo that will turn into a blob, why not just go to a single tattoo artist who has proof that they are good, that tattoos like that don’t fade or blend and that changes much much less? If you have to hire a whole team just to do one tattoo it will never be anything more than a fad for the rich.
This makes getting a tattoo like having a dentist appointment.
For me it would kill the experience and I couldn't enjoy such a piece - it would feel dead.
The compliments and conversations you would get from your Blackdot tattoo might pull you out of the funk (at least that's what our clients are telling us)
@@blackdot_tattoo I'm not doing it for compliments and conversations.
@@blackdot_tattoo lol clearly no understanding of tattooing, the culture, etc. Granted i would hate this either way, but the way you guys are literally shitting on the industry and artists that have kept tattooing in existence is a bold move.
@@blackdot_tattoo You clearly don't have any understanding of how all this works. The experience of the actual tattooing is an important part of the process! Yes, it hurts, but we'll take it because that is how it is. And: my tattoos are for myself, not for compliments and conversations. OMG
@@blackdot_tattoo no one is getting something permanently etched onto their body for compliments! Especially if it’s only a couple of inches or less, no one can see that lol.
Tech bros back at it again thinking there's a problem needing solving that never existed in the first place and in fact cause everyone else to just be upset.
They were so preoccupied with the science of how, they never stopped to question if they should do it
I also don't think they ever questioned _why_ they should
The comments being turned off on so many of their posts says enough. I left a comment on one of their posts criticizing the concept and the disrespectful way they addressed tattoo artists like myself and was promptly blocked :/
We have zero tolerance for people that are disrespectful and rude, we're not alone in taking that position
@@blackdot_tattoo Blackdot: * is disrespectful to artists *
Artist: hey, this is disrespectful
BD: no, you are >:( * blocked *
@@blackdot_tattoohahahahah yeah sure. You need to learn about respect first 😂
Blackdots “studio” looks like a room I would get dragged into for a lobotomy.
Also the Deviantart founder allowed Ai art to feature more on the sites homepage than actual artists who spent actual time and care into their art.
Fancy spending thousands of pounds on a tiny ass “tattoo” that’s pretty much getting printed on you by a massive printer.
The images shown by this RUclipsr are from our R&D facility, she lifted content from our origin story book and portrayed them as being current state.
@@blackdot_tattooexplain the vlog of the girl getting the Mona Lisa eyes tattoo then… that wasn’t “lifted” from your book…
Deviantart is just a joke now!
I rather be told no by a tattoo artist or come up with a compromise and have a good looking tattoo in 10 years time than have a robot give me one and it looks like poo in 10 years
@@blackdot_tattoo Suuure... How can your guarantee that? Maybe you guys should learn something about ageing of the skin. That is false advertisement! It's just greed.
I laughed so loud when I got to the NFT part because OF COURSE that would be included what the hell techbros need to stop 😂
Tbh I think the technology is interesting, but I also agree with all of your criticisms and then you got to the prices - hoo boy, yep that's gimmick pricing alright because they know this is going to be a cash grab before people realise it's not great and won't last regardless! It massively reminds me of how all these silicon valley bros are pushing AI to steal human artist's work and rebrand it as something new and creative because the tech bros are basically just jealous that they aren't any good at art.
Tattooing is an experience it’s about the atmosphere and a human connection it’s a hand craft not for a machine
For you it might be, there are plenty of people that are open to something new and different.
It’s so funny to me how they speak of making tattoo experience more accessible and charge the ungodly amount of money for something that looks unimpressive as a sketch, not to mention a sad mess it’s inevitably going to turn into a couple years later
Why don’t they just cut out the middleman and call it the Pinterest Tattoo Robot, 70 quid tattoos for 3 and half grand what a bargain.
How many heavily tattooed people work for this company ?, how many tattooists work for this company ?
And it’s not like deviant art is known for peoples art being ripped off or anything.
LOL
They are based in Texas... that's cheap for that area. TX is the new CA. In my opinion, allegedly...
@@TotalEclipseOfTheSon well Texas seems to be the new comedy capital of the world and those robotat prices are certainly a joke.
I LOVE that the actual official RUclips account for this company is in your comment section attempting to defend themselves 💀
thanks for always keeping us updated on the latest tattoo news! i adore your channel because it’s always so informative, balanced, and kind. ❤
Thanks my love 🥹🩷
A setting like that would probably trigger my medical trauma and make me much more anxious than I would be otherwise. Obviously I get some nerves before getting tattooed because it’s a big commitment but being in an all white room, strapped down, people watching from the sidelines, no ability to stop asap if needed would really freak me out.
What you saw is not our retail experience, the RUclipsr showed images of our R&D testing lab
@@blackdot_tattoo “the RUclipsr” Lauren showed footage that you shared publicly. I didn’t see any indication on social media/website that that wasn’t the standard procedure for your tattoos. You might want to share a video of a “retail experience” to give people a better idea of your product.
Honestly, sometimes even experienced artists can cause some kind of trauma to the skin… what if the robot glitches? I hate this.
We have safeguards to prevent 'glitches'
@blackdot_tattoo what does that even mean?
@@notsaying3745 They mean in the same way that the Therac-25 had "safeguards".
Yknow I was originally gonna type up a whole comment about the CEO's Meow Wolf projects and wondering if this is just a performative art thing that ends up being fake...and then I saw those prices and my jaw fell to the floor. I'm sorry but I got my entire back tattooed for a little less than $4k including tips! Just wow.
Could still be connected to Meow Wolf, considering what they do and they were apparently going to do something this year. It's just seems so unreal. Could be cope on my end though, because wtf.
I’ll feel kinda disappointed if its actually real
This reminds me of the tattoos they have in the 'Divergent' series. (Only that those are quite big and bold, not tiny.)
Ever see the movie Divergent? There’s a part where the main character gets a tattoo. She sits in the chair, the tattoo “artist” lays some sticky pads over the area, presses a button, and voila! tattoo…
This seems like what they’re are working towards. No thanks. I’d rather support actual artists.
@@blackdot_tattooSo here’s the thing…most tattoo artists worked hard and busted ass through apprenticeships and self improvement because they actually want to…wait for it…TATTOO. It’s in the name. If they wanted to sell art they’d make merch. Putting lifelong ink on someone’s body is an art form in and of itself…it’s not just about selling illustrations.
@@blackdot_tattoo hey, how do you do that when you use "generative art"?
When people in the past envisioned robots they thought of them freeing humans from menial tasks so we could focus on art and anything else else that requires a soul and personality. And now the trend is going towards AI and robots taking over art without actually understanding what that entails, what makes it so unique.
What are we doing?
The Blackdot device isn't a robot, it's more akin to a tattoo printer.
@@blackdot_tattoo as if that makes it any better 💀
@@blackdot_tattoo you can put lipstick on a donkey...
The fact it looks so clinical is one of the worst parts. Tattoo shops are such a vibe. I love looking around at all the artwork on the walls and seeing other tattooed people. Im an introvert but i would miss that connection between the art and the artist. Tattoo culture is lost on this completely.
The images shows are not from our retail studio, they are from our test lab
five minutes in and im already wondering how much its going to cost long-term. its seems like it would be time-consuming trying to sterilize/maintain the machine while tattoo artists also juggle clients who cant be tattooed by the machine with things that also need to be sterilized/maintained (like a tattoo gun for example) and if ive learned anything from tattoo youtube time very much costs money for artists
Hot take could be just me but: if you cant respect the history, dont be in the industry. There is cultural significance with tattoos, there is such a deep history throughout the world with tattooing, there is a reason tattoos have been around as long as they have been. And then this comes along and it honestly infuriates me as a tattoo artist, it takes away the human aspect of it. As a tattoo artist yes you are an artist, but your also a therapist, a friend, a shoulder to cry on, etc.. i do this because I love hearing people's stories and being able to be a small part of it and being able to give someone art that lasts forever is an incredible feeling!
How nice of them to think that people who would steal and copy someone else's tattoos would instead go to them and pay for their overpriced tattoos. Like those people usually are taking tattoos/ artwork online and going to the cheapest place who will do the tattoo for them, not going to somewhere where they have to pay for 3000-5000 pounds
Fine tattoos don't heal well anyway. Now imagine a fine tattoo made out of only dots and no proper lines, yikes. I am already so fed up with machines taking over certain jobs. I am not really scared about the tattoo industry though as no machine could ever compare to a real tattoo artist. It's not only about putting lines or dots, it's about the whole experience and journey your supposed to have when getting tattooed. No way I'm gonna overpay and get a shitty tattoo when I can pay way less and get an absolute masterpiece of a sleeve on my skin.
"and journey your (you're) supposed to have when getting tattooed". No one should be saying what a tattooing experience is "supposed to be" -- that's antiquated thinking (and gatekeeping). People should have choices, not mandates.
Tech bros not knowing what they're talking about, again.
Tech bros continue to try to make sci-fi horror movies a reality
Matt left Deviant over a decade ago
I was expecting this to at least be cheap!!! They will NEVER make a successful business with those prices. If 2x2 inches is the LARGE and it's in the thousands?! That's insane. That's considered a fairly small tattoo IMO.
that top is gorgeous! you look amazing!
Tysm 🥹🩷
With $5000 I could get the badass cover up I've been wanting and probably a couple more. Like that's crazy.
$5k covers 2 tattoos on different people. We'll have sub-$1K tattoos shortly
My gorgeous sleeve cost half that.
Somebody making art personal to you and putting it on you is such a deep emotional process. So many of my clients have opened up to me so much and joke i am their therapist. That is what you remember the tattoo for, that is art. I may understand if you had many bad expiriences and are scared to search more, but with the staff at that place you could also have one. Of course they didnt have any heavily tattooed people to speak for them, because those know the emotional importance and lovely deep experience art and tattoos can do for you
THANK YOU for not holding back and being visibly and vocally angry about this. Some people in different industries just decide to accept it and profit off it
“Wash your mouth out with some respect “ 😂 I am so stealing that
As a tattooed tech guy (stereotypical Silicon Valley engineer), I’m theoretically the target audience. And hell no, if only for the obvious reason that these will look terrible in a few years.
Long-term, I wouldn’t worry though. The $3000-5000 price tag isn’t sustainable, and I highly doubt the cost of them building and maintaining these machines will drop enough for them to afford to open enough locations to make the investment worth it.
We'll have sub-$1k tattoos shortly
You’re not the target audience because you know how tattoos work and heal and age and all of that.
😂 the "tattoo collectors" with no tattoos crack me up
I'm heavily tattooed and you can't see any of mine when I wear normal clothes. If she wants to talk about the tradition of the industry, that's the tradition. People getting their face and hands blasted while they still have blank space on their back and legs is a new thing. I find it interesting that people who have less tattoos than I do often assume I know nothing of tattooing. You don't know how many tattoos they have. Maybe we shouldn't judge people based on their appearance at first glance.
@@blackdot_tattooooh congrats! A lot of tattoos and you have not idea about the tattoo art itself! 🤡
As someone who had typewriter font on her shoulders, I can 100% confirm letters DO bleed into one another after some time
how long have you had it? i’ve had hand poked lettering above my knees for 2 years and it’s looking about the same so far
@@mmmmmmmmaria oh man….its been at least 5 years. Maybe closer to 10 lol
I WILL say, it took a few years for the print to bleed into each other and is still very legible; just a few spots here & there
You've never had a Blackdot tattoo, what you've experienced in the traditional world of tattooing doesn't 100% carry over to our lane
@@blackdot_tattoo I don’t want one anyway
this looks targeted to tech bros in austin who want a cool small tattoo but are intimidated by a typical tattoo shop
theyd have the money and the tattoo ignorance
A bit off topic...but i love all of the tops you've been wearing in your latest videos! They are stunning and fit your aesthetic so well! ✨️✨️✨️
Tysm my love 🩷😭
My take is that they weren't trying to recruit heavily tattooed people or entice tattoo lovers AT ALL. We are definitely not their target audience. They were advertising to the Instagram mini tattoo crowd, (no shade to them, or at least not much. And anyways, they'll probably be more heavily tattooed after they have to get that tiny smudge covered 😅), and not people who would be scared or turned off by alternative culture. This is something they're selling to tech bros and their "clean girl" girlfriend's, the beige mom's, the Stanley cup collectors.. people who might be intimidated by tattoo shops and artists/people with colored hair and lots of tattoos and piercings, but who still want to feel cool while keeping an "air of respectability". The kind of people who would have gotten YOLO tattoos back in the day, but really small and hidden. I have a neighbor who would love this kind of tiny tattoo, same girl who looked at my chest piece and told me:
"So pretty, it must be hard to get a job though! I really want a little flower behind my ear someday."
Yeah it's really hard to get a job.. I'm a disabled artist. Lol. I told her that really nicely though, she seems like a sweet girl, she's just not used to being around people like me, and I'm pretty sure she said something about how her parents "would kill her" if she got a visible tattoo. But she could probably convince her parents to allow her to do something like this robo-tatt without them throwing a tantrum, especially if they were showed the commercial. Those boys are so "wholesome" and unthreatening looking, but somehow still have enough.. idk.. edge of youth(?) to appeal to certain demographics. They could probably also pull in a lot of the more "regular guy" types and nerdy types. Like my bf, he's a total square bear in terms of tattoos and style choices. (To be clear, I adore him, I I'm totally fine with him having whatever style makes him comfy. Plus, he's cute, sweet, AND he taught me how to cook Larb and Pad Thai, him wearing cargo shorts is a small price to pay.😂) He would find a tattooing robot really really cool and interesting, maybe even be tempted to get one. As an artist I don't want to put other artists out of business, but I have to admit I find it fascinating as well, even if I would never get a tattoo that's going to age that poorly and eventually look like I, (as per usual), got too enthusiastic w with my art supplies. Every time I would look at it I would have that moment of thinking.. damn it.. and going to go wash the ink smudges off my skin. 😂
Sorry for the long ass comment, insomnia has me in its hideous grasp. Lol.
I find it hilarious that they didn't respond to the top part of my comment, even though they responded to so many people defending themselves, kind of tells me that I might be right.. especially if they spent 3 hours going through comments.
I hate how "predictability" is what someone wants in a tattoo experience. Like part of the joy is potentially witnessing some weird shit. Like when my arm was getting tattooed he had stopped temporarily and some dude nearly ran into the wall I was up against, my dude's station partition was also where the front desk was. My tattoo would have been absolutely ruined had the artist not stopped.
Oh my 😂😭
@@treacletatts
To make it even better the dude was like zonked out of his mind and asked for a $25 tattoo. Shop minimum was $75.
We're able to suspend tattooing if movement is detected, response time is faster than a human
@@blackdot_tattoo
You can't sell me on this no matter what you say. It's a gimmick that will make people unhappy because you don't care about the craft itself.
I was at my artist’s tattoo once when someone came in and asked if it was a cafe! She walked in, saw the word studio on the wall, saw me getting tattooed and saw my artist tattooing, and asked if it was a cafe. At least her dress was cute.
This is the first I've heard of this nonsense. I can't imagine wanting this instead of having an artist with genuine skill do the work. 🤷♂️
Oh man, not a Meow Wolf guy behind Black Dot.... They have such cool attractions. Meow Wolf does those odd immersive art facilities like Omega Mart in Las Vegas and Convergence Station in Denver...
@blackdot_tatto would you care to clarify what was inaccurate
Not that surprised that the founder of Deviantart would do something this gimmicky. There's going to be a lot of stolen and ai generated art in the future if it stays alive long enough especially with how to site is now a days. So I'm pretty sure Blackdot is gonna end the same way Ephemeral Tattoos is, it's just another trend that'll die once the tiktok influencers stop talking about and once people see how terribly these tiny high-detail tattoos heal.
Matt got a Tyler Hobbs executed by the Blackdot device--he also left DA a decade ago. Nothing gimmicky going on.
@@blackdot_tattoo But it is a gimmick, a trend. It's made it any less scummy that y'all are making people pay $5K+ for a tiny tattoo that will end up just being a black blob on their body once it's healed.
Love that their pitch is basically "So you know how we all hate tattoo artists??"
Whoever wrote that copy is telling on themselves. My tattoo artists are some of the coolest people I've ever met and I had a great time chatting with most of them.
I lost it when you showed the "hello world" tattoo because that is such a tech bro tattoo i can't even. For those who don't know it's the default line of code you get when you create a new code project.
The founders of DeviantArt AND Meow Wolf?? 😭
They are friends of the Company, both are good people
They are friends of the Company (they don't work for us), both are good people.
Those 2 'tattoo collectors' look the type that started tattooing themselves during lockdown and now consider themselves 'experts'
This is so weird. Meow Wolf, which Vince co-founded, is an art collective that's behind Omega Mart and other similar projects. The videos almost don't look real. Part of me thinks (hopes) it's another Meow Wold art thing. They are supposed to be launching something this year.
as a bunch of other people have said, creativity isn't something that automation should be targeted at. automate the stuff that fills lives with drudgery, not art. the deviantart guy talking about crediting artists but also talking about 'generative tattoos' is such BS, having the gall to mention both things back to back is ludicrous
As someone who has an adversion to touch, I still would choose a living breathing tattoo artist over a machine and I have tattoos.
However, playing The Devil's Advocate here. There might be people with similar adversion to touch human-to-human contact. That might prefer having a machine, do the tattoo.
I told my man I couldn’t begin the video until I was comfy and cozy and I had my snacks and my beverages!!! He understood immediately 😂😂
You’ve got yourself a good one there !!
Not with a super expensive machine but if you wanted to get tiny tattoos because you knew you were going to cover them later then that's cool or whatever.
@wyltedleaves yeah, I was just thinking like I had some lyrics on my legs covered as part of some blackout work. If you knew that eventually you wanted to do some total blackout but you didn't have the funds for it now (😭$$$$$) but you wanted to throw out small money for some small shitty tattoos just for fun in the area why not? That wasn't my intention with those lyrics 🤷. I'm not encouraging spending thousands of dollars on something fancy that would turn into a blob but you know if you want like a dime sized hummingbird for $150 from some random (clean) shop that's going to turn into a blob in 3 years why not? As long as you know.
Defo wouldnt want this, like ever. I love the personal experience of getting tattooed, the conversation, the personal touch and the artists expertise.