We knew this forever ago, coils are so much smoother and sensitive to bumps, no airseal to overcome. Much was lost in the "weight is everything" mantra
I ride in really rocky conditions I have a upgraded polygon D5 and I tried a good rockshox and I was using coil shocks on my other bikes I can tell you the coil shock is so much better it moves and tracks the terrain so much better faster than the air shocks and it feels so smooth. coil shocks in the rough shine!
I’ve ridden coil since about 92, I didn’t ride my first air shock until I purchased my 21 Intense Carbine. I’m converting it to coil when my funds are right.
@@jacksondaniels8169 I’m going to ship off my air shock to get fixed and then I’d like to do some back-to-back testing to figure out which one I’ll choose, but it’s looking like coil right now.
I put a coil shock on my trail bike and it transformed it into a different bike. So plush yet fast with the better small bump compliance and rear tire contact.
Coil actually is poppier than air shocks, their difference is linesr vs progressive. Coil is consistent while air shocks tend to keep changing the poppiness due to heat build up.
Thanks for doing reviews on bikes like these. I’m 59 got a few hardtails party bikes but I’m looking at getting my first full suspension fork since 2003. I run mostly mullet so I was looking at the Santa Cruz Bronson. New on sale or barely ridden used. The price is still at $3000-$3800. Pretty high for a used bike or a new Bronson with low components. Now I’m looking at Y T Capra Mullet, I’ll study up on these polygons too. I ride naked sports bikes, triumph, Ktm etc, I can get an awesome used motorcycle for $6000-$7000. I can’t see spending that on a mtb. At least not yet.
Thanks for the deets on the shocks! Ive returned 4 gopro 11 mini on my FPV drones. i moved on too, no more gopro. Thank god for that Best Buy warranty.
I've just swapped my new bike float x out for the 2024 X2 what a difference! The comfort levels just went beyond what I was expecting it feels more coilish than my solid feeling float X I'm just amazed at the difference how difference it is now so much nicer to ride now! Still want the DHX2 aswell though
@@Emtbtoday I loved my X2 until it started having issues. I think the X2 shack was designed for pro racers that get the shock rebuilt after each race. It works great, but hard to service and I’m no longer going to recommend the X2 for the average everyday rider like myself
Hi jared. Running the same setup as you with the shock. What settings are you running with the 500lbs spring. Im on standard reccomended, curious to see what your running. Thanks.
Hi, you should try upgrading the front suspension to a double crown one with a longer travel. I am thinking of upgrading my RockShox Zeb to a double crown suspension, but I'm not sure. Thanks you
I don't think I've seen any videos comparing cheap air shocks to cheap (same brand) coil shocks, then working up to the top end shocks. Eg. DNM AOY-38RC and Dnm RCP-2S. Their air shock is for XC/AM, the coil for Freeride/DH. Then you move up to top end air shocks designed for tougher riding to show how they've progressed. Their action and longevity. And the differences between them and too end coil shocks. I think at each stage of budget there would be significant difference you can isolate simply between being air or coil. Not just in terms of quality/budget.
Didn't I say you were gonna love it? I find that it is better on jumps and much more poppy and playful than my old air shock it also soaks up the gnar and chatter. I'll never go back.
Funny I also have a polygon but it's an N8E.. My Fox Float shock also went out and I got it sent under warranty bought a marzocchi bombers call shock ( from Lost Co .and I love it... I never use the firm on my shot anyways so I don't mind not having it.. but I am loving my coil shock
The Cain creek vault progressive spring is super nice imo. Never have I tried a normal and not progressive spring but I’m sure it would be similar. I had a marzochi cr coil shock on my SC Nomad but it really feels more dead in a way which is super nice for a ton of gnar and braking bumps but it doesn’t feel as poppy. But I think suspension design has a big impact (maybe more than the shock) I gotta say the air shocks to me feel more poppy imo. The coil shocks I love for bike park days, but I’d prefer a lighter setup for the majority of the time. I have an evil offering (140mm rear travel) and have been completely satisfied with a Rockshox super delux shock. I’d love to try a coil on the rear one day though.
I have 5 Hero 11 Mini's. If I have a problem first thing I do is reset by holding power button down for 20 seconds. If problem persists, I leave Mini on until battery dies, then keep pressing power until red light no longer comes on. It's the same thing as removing the battery in any other GoPro. Charge back up and you're good to go. I actually returned one before l figured this out. Mini's are great cams.
@@cabojoe thanks for the advice. I love the 11 mini for a lightweight compact chest mount camera. Hate dealing with the power issues. Especially when I’m in the middle of a video 😩
@@JaredHoff Also, the Mini's need a slight bit of airflow. Consider spacing it away from the chest mount with a short extension so that the heat sink on the back can get some cool air.
Everything you just described makes me think they might not be that great... I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get my expensive camera working.
If you like poppy feel, you have to pick another coil shock - EXT Storia V4, Fox DHX2 is not the best option. Another alternative may be Öhlins, but EXT is a bit better.
It's an idea for a futore video - compare midrange shock and a high end shock. you can also get a variable spring from sprindex - you can adjust it's stiffness on the fly.
Nice video, thank you. I just mounted my DHX2 on my Heckler. My doubt is about the HSR and LSR, because in the Fox settings table for my weight, it suggests using 0-1 clicks or 1-3 clicks. I think it’s very close. I’m using a 700lbs spring, and I weigh 100kg.
@@RedRoulette I’d go with Fox recommendations then go for a ride. Do one lap with Fox recommendations, then add more clicks and see if it feels better or worse. Sorry, pretty generic advice LOL to be honest, I hate messing with my suspension. I’m a set and forget it
Glad you liked that coil! Maybe you could just swap some orange fork decals instead of painting the spring😁 Just saying, green and orange combo is not that bad at all
@@CP-qx2ff each bikes suspension design is setup a certain way. There’s no way to mount it backwards on this bike because the hardware is so different on each side of the shock. Check out the first coil video I made to get a closer look.
@@jaybartlett2561 😂 sorry man! I think we all know we don’t 100% “NEED” this upgrades but they definitely make a difference. At the end of the day, ride what you got and have FUN!!!
I have air and coil on different bikes. They each have a different feel. Coil is probably better, but I prefer the air because I’m lazy and it’s easier to dial. If I raced I’d go coil.
@@superyamagucci dang sorry to hear that. The Lost Co does a really good job filling that Local Bike Shop role. They take time to answer call/emails and give good advice to help you choose the right parts etc…
That thing shit the bed - LOL :D :D :D Never heard this before. Btw, you could include a bit longer clips of you riding as whole video was you talking (which isn't bad on its own, but you could do voice over while still riding and showing how shock moves)
@@SergejGrabun I really wanted to but since the GoPro died I didn’t have the insta360 setup in a wide angle view so all the riding footage was garbage.
About the weight I had my X-Fusion H3C shock out for cleaning while listening to this with the valt Cane Creek progressive spring its 698 grams, so I took the same lenght DVO -topaz- jade sorry, with the light steel coil and the Olhins too, respectively : 733 grams and 618, Olhins wins 😂 It's really double of a dps in average but tbh it's not even that noticeable... *All in trunnion 185x55 for my giant trance x29
Insta 360 are the best for sure along with the DJI action cameras. I’m salty because I baught their failed product the GoPro Karma which literally flew away by insepf and never found it and GoPro wouldn’t admit any fault. I wasn’t the only one this happened to.
@@Bike4adventure dang. Sorry to hear that you’re having that issue. How long are you leaving it recording in 8k for? I usually only record short clips. It’s a pain to edit 30minutes on riding footage anyway 😂
@@Bike4adventure I see you have a RUclips channel and looks like you’ve been posting videos. One small tip I would give is don’t record without a story in mind. Then only hit record for short clips that will help you tell that story. But that’s just my humble opinion from what works for me. I’ve tried filming my whole ride and piecing together a story of the ride after and it never turns out well.
@@jonathanzumwalt4392 only issue with that is the extra weight. Weight on the shock isn’t as bad because the weight is lower and/or more centered on the bike. But wouldn’t want that extra weight on the fork. Maybe I’d like it though 🤷🏼♂️
Insta 360 footage is pretty great I got a x3 one with dangerous Dave's link but my son stole it from me. That's why I have no RUclips content. 😂😅 (Yeah right, I'm just too lazy for that)
@@LaurentiusTriarius 😂 Glad your son is using it. RUclips takes a lot of effort man but you get what I’m talking about. I woke up at 4am this morning and spent 4 hours editing this video just to get it released…
Coil is far superior to air ......only when the bike is s proper progressive design. Linear bikes like the over priced Pivots need an air shock to perform.
All i know is fr 160/150 coil life! My go pro has failed at 5/5 enduro races this year. Really bummed me out ands robs everyone of my amazing riding 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i only dip into double blacks and danger snicklers. BoooooIiinnnnggg squish sqish
We knew this forever ago, coils are so much smoother and sensitive to bumps, no airseal to overcome. Much was lost in the "weight is everything" mantra
@@dichotomousblue 300ish grams heavier 🤷🏼♂️ I didn’t notice it.
Glad you liked the coil. I’m a big guy, and swapped my air for coil. Never go back
@@bellarogers7202 I am going to do some back-to-back test when I get the air shock back from Fox but will probably stay with the coil.
Im 230lb.....might have to try this as well
at least they never overheat! XD and the coil feels a lot more natural
@@MsTatakai coil feels amazing
I am glad you like it. I too. My only one ride on my coil was the best ride ive had all year.
@@jf8534 🤘
I ride in really rocky conditions I have a upgraded polygon D5 and I tried a good rockshox and I was using coil shocks on my other bikes I can tell you the coil shock is so much better it moves and tracks the terrain so much better faster than the air shocks and it feels so smooth. coil shocks in the rough shine!
@@PHFishingBiking for sure 👍
I’ve ridden coil since about 92, I didn’t ride my first air shock until I purchased my 21 Intense Carbine. I’m converting it to coil when my funds are right.
@@jacksondaniels8169 I’m going to ship off my air shock to get fixed and then I’d like to do some back-to-back testing to figure out which one I’ll choose, but it’s looking like coil right now.
I put a coil shock on my trail bike and it transformed it into a different bike. So plush yet fast with the better small bump compliance and rear tire contact.
@@JB50713 Nice 👍
Coil actually is poppier than air shocks, their difference is linesr vs progressive. Coil is consistent while air shocks tend to keep changing the poppiness due to heat build up.
@@marklouieadame good point
Thanks for doing reviews on bikes like these. I’m 59 got a few hardtails party bikes but I’m looking at getting my first full suspension fork since 2003. I run mostly mullet so I was looking at the Santa Cruz Bronson. New on sale or barely ridden used. The price is still at $3000-$3800. Pretty high for a used bike or a new Bronson with low components. Now I’m looking at Y T Capra Mullet, I’ll study up on these polygons too. I ride naked sports bikes, triumph, Ktm etc, I can get an awesome used motorcycle for $6000-$7000. I can’t see spending that on a mtb. At least not yet.
@@michaelrieser9928 polygon is a great option 👍
The firm/soft lever is related the damper not the spring (air or coil). Spring type really on matters on the downhill.
It's the frame design that makes it climb so good. Put any suspension ; it will still be that good.
@@TheGout_777 IFS for the win 🏆
@@JaredHoff 👏
Thanks for the deets on the shocks! Ive returned 4 gopro 11 mini on my FPV drones. i moved on too, no more gopro. Thank god for that Best Buy warranty.
@@TheLoamMountaineer thank goodness you got that warranty. I’m over GoPro
I've just swapped my new bike float x out for the 2024 X2 what a difference! The comfort levels just went beyond what I was expecting it feels more coilish than my solid feeling float X I'm just amazed at the difference how difference it is now so much nicer to ride now! Still want the DHX2 aswell though
@@Emtbtoday I loved my X2 until it started having issues. I think the X2 shack was designed for pro racers that get the shock rebuilt after each race.
It works great, but hard to service and I’m no longer going to recommend the X2 for the average everyday rider like myself
Hi jared. Running the same setup as you with the shock.
What settings are you running with the 500lbs spring. Im on standard reccomended, curious to see what your running.
Thanks.
@@satjotesaimbi8499 standard recommended with 1 click less HSC and LSC
Hi, you should try upgrading the front suspension to a double crown one with a longer travel. I am thinking of upgrading my RockShox Zeb to a double crown suspension, but I'm not sure. Thanks you
i wanna upgrade my collosus n7 enduro bike to a downhill bike
@@francoagustinruiz1299 Down-duro bike 🤘 I’m going to increase the fork to 180 but that’s about it.
I don't think I've seen any videos comparing cheap air shocks to cheap (same brand) coil shocks, then working up to the top end shocks.
Eg. DNM AOY-38RC and Dnm RCP-2S. Their air shock is for XC/AM, the coil for Freeride/DH. Then you move up to top end air shocks designed for tougher riding to show how they've progressed. Their action and longevity. And the differences between them and too end coil shocks.
I think at each stage of budget there would be significant difference you can isolate simply between being air or coil. Not just in terms of quality/budget.
@@user-rl4ji5ne4o that’s a great idea 💡 I’ll look into this.
I ride coil front and rear.. Not messing with a shock pump is continually satisfying..
@@SILASBEAVER for sure 👍
I sent a Bomber CR to Avalanche and highly recommend it. Aluminum IFP and legendary damping.
@@denisrogers4358 nice 👍
Sounds like the correct operation for a gopro
@@yanuk818 ugh 😩 I’m so glad I’ve got the Insta360 cameras or I’d be screwed. Action cam is a must have to make these videos.
I went with ohlins .2 but almost went the dvo prime with green spring for the looks
@@shanereid5663 Green spring looks amazing on most bikes.
BUY A DJI camera is a great alternative
@@Markozzy 👍 I need to learn how to learn the X4 better
@@JaredHoff u will get use to it in time I prefer them to air shocks that's my preference everyone different
@@Markozzy 👍
@@JaredHoff watched full video great content
my thoughts exactly! better get a DJI @JaredHoff
Didn't I say you were gonna love it? I find that it is better on jumps and much more poppy and playful than my old air shock it also soaks up the gnar and chatter. I'll never go back.
@@STLMTB I was shocked 😳 pun intended LOL 😂 but seriously I didn’t think I’d like coil this much.
@JaredHoff, it's crazy good. We have a lot of tech trails and jump lines, it does both awesome.
@@STLMTB we need more jump trails where I live. Although, there’s a new bike park opening up close to me.
Funny I also have a polygon but it's an N8E.. My Fox Float shock also went out and I got it sent under warranty bought a marzocchi bombers call shock ( from Lost Co .and I love it... I never use the firm on my shot anyways so I don't mind not having it.. but I am loving my coil shock
@@Rad_MTB_Rage nice 👍 I plan to test this coil shock on the N8E as well.
The Cain creek vault progressive spring is super nice imo. Never have I tried a normal and not progressive spring but I’m sure it would be similar. I had a marzochi cr coil shock on my SC Nomad but it really feels more dead in a way which is super nice for a ton of gnar and braking bumps but it doesn’t feel as poppy. But I think suspension design has a big impact (maybe more than the shock) I gotta say the air shocks to me feel more poppy imo. The coil shocks I love for bike park days, but I’d prefer a lighter setup for the majority of the time. I have an evil offering (140mm rear travel) and have been completely satisfied with a Rockshox super delux shock. I’d love to try a coil on the rear one day though.
@@unconventional_health Progressive spring would be nice to try. I’m definitely going to take this to the bike park.
I have 5 Hero 11 Mini's. If I have a problem first thing I do is reset by holding power button down for 20 seconds. If problem persists, I leave Mini on until battery dies, then keep pressing power until red light no longer comes on. It's the same thing as removing the battery in any other GoPro. Charge back up and you're good to go. I actually returned one before l figured this out. Mini's are great cams.
@@cabojoe thanks for the advice. I love the 11 mini for a lightweight compact chest mount camera. Hate dealing with the power issues. Especially when I’m in the middle of a video 😩
@@JaredHoff Also, the Mini's need a slight bit of airflow. Consider spacing it away from the chest mount with a short extension so that the heat sink on the back can get some cool air.
@@cabojoe the 11 mini is completely dead right now. I’ve tried plugging it in to charge it. Tried holding down the buttons like you said and nothing 😩
Everything you just described makes me think they might not be that great... I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get my expensive camera working.
@@bradley3549 exactly 👍 super frustrating. Just checked my email and it was December last year when the 11 mini failed and GoPro replaced it.
If you like poppy feel, you have to pick another coil shock - EXT Storia V4, Fox DHX2 is not the best option. Another alternative may be Öhlins, but EXT is a bit better.
It's an idea for a futore video - compare midrange shock and a high end shock. you can also get a variable spring from sprindex - you can adjust it's stiffness on the fly.
@@G00glieS I’m loving the DHX2 on the Polygon N9 six bar suspension.
@ that’s a great idea
Nice video, thank you. I just mounted my DHX2 on my Heckler. My doubt is about the HSR and LSR, because in the Fox settings table for my weight, it suggests using 0-1 clicks or 1-3 clicks. I think it’s very close. I’m using a 700lbs spring, and I weigh 100kg.
@@RedRoulette I’d go with Fox recommendations then go for a ride. Do one lap with Fox recommendations, then add more clicks and see if it feels better or worse. Sorry, pretty generic advice LOL to be honest, I hate messing with my suspension. I’m a set and forget it
DJI ftw
I had a coil on my mondraker and I was like meh!!!! But know I’m on a giant reign E which I put a coil on it and oh boy is it great!
@@barrakingbeatz7794 nice 👍 I have a eMTB version of this enduro bike and might test it in there as well.
Glad you liked that coil! Maybe you could just swap some orange fork decals instead of painting the spring😁 Just saying, green and orange combo is not that bad at all
@@seworday for sure 👍
Is the shock backwards? Usually the lighter part of the shock is what moves with the rear triangle.
@@CP-qx2ff each bikes suspension design is setup a certain way. There’s no way to mount it backwards on this bike because the hardware is so different on each side of the shock. Check out the first coil video I made to get a closer look.
I have my dhx2 climb switch taped open lol.
@@BowzKnows 😂 that’s how I ran my X2 Shock. Never needed it.
Man, after watching your videos, I wanna put a coil on my bike and get some Berd wheels 😂
@@jaybartlett2561 😂 sorry man! I think we all know we don’t 100% “NEED” this upgrades but they definitely make a difference. At the end of the day, ride what you got and have FUN!!!
I have air and coil on different bikes. They each have a different feel. Coil is probably better, but I prefer the air because I’m lazy and it’s easier to dial.
If I raced I’d go coil.
@@superyamagucci Mike at The Lost Co made it pretty easy to get my coil setup. It’s the easiest time I’ve had.
@@JaredHoff good bike shops where I live are pretty far and few between unfortunately.
5hrs drive each way.
I wish there was something good and close.
@@superyamagucci5 hours to the next bike shop? 😮 damn thats rural
@@superyamagucci dang sorry to hear that. The Lost Co does a really good job filling that Local Bike Shop role. They take time to answer call/emails and give good advice to help you choose the right parts etc…
@@Creator-ir6ku
Yeah there’s shops closer but they’re basically retail outlets. An actual shop with expertise is a days drive.
That thing shit the bed - LOL :D :D :D Never heard this before.
Btw, you could include a bit longer clips of you riding as whole video was you talking (which isn't bad on its own, but you could do voice over while still riding and showing how shock moves)
@@SergejGrabun I really wanted to but since the GoPro died I didn’t have the insta360 setup in a wide angle view so all the riding footage was garbage.
go for the GoPro 7 is good
@@twilliamrc4wd that’s was the best camera around at one time.
@JaredHoff it's still more reliable than a lot of newer GoPros
bro! Gopro is dead, check the DJI action 5 as well... just insane.
Also, SLS spring should save a few 100's grams.
@@sampep 👍 agree
Hi, i would like to buy coil shock, i know dimensions, but should i be worried about compression and rebound tune? Thank you
@@filipvaclavovsky7405 I used the fox recommendation for compression and rebound settings and it feels great.
yup....switched to insta360 also...
@@jaskilla785 👍
About the weight I had my X-Fusion H3C shock out for cleaning while listening to this with the valt Cane Creek progressive spring its 698 grams, so I took the same lenght DVO -topaz- jade sorry, with the light steel coil and the Olhins too, respectively : 733 grams and 618, Olhins wins 😂
It's really double of a dps in average but tbh it's not even that noticeable...
*All in trunnion 185x55 for my giant trance x29
Insta 360 are the best for sure along with the DJI action cameras. I’m salty because I baught their failed product the GoPro Karma which literally flew away by insepf and never found it and GoPro wouldn’t admit any fault. I wasn’t the only one this happened to.
@@unconventional_health sorry to hear that man. I am working on my next video now explaining the GoPro issues in more detail.
Why did you mount it upside down? I’m sure it doesn’t really make a difference but it looks weird.
@@marionetto9682 it’s mounted the right way
@@JaredHoff Right on. Is that specific to that bike?
@@marionetto9682 yes it’s just how the designed it for this bike. Looks normal to me because my Air Shock minted the same way
My Insta 360 x4 has been saying its overheating while riding with lots of airflow, I'm thinking dgi might be the way to go.
@@Bike4adventure are you riding with the heat shield on? Don’t use the heat shield.
@@JaredHoff no heatshield
@@Bike4adventure dang. Sorry to hear that you’re having that issue. How long are you leaving it recording in 8k for?
I usually only record short clips. It’s a pain to edit 30minutes on riding footage anyway 😂
@@JaredHoff I usually do an hour of recording in 8k
@@Bike4adventure I see you have a RUclips channel and looks like you’ve been posting videos. One small tip I would give is don’t record without a story in mind. Then only hit record for short clips that will help you tell that story.
But that’s just my humble opinion from what works for me. I’ve tried filming my whole ride and piecing together a story of the ride after and it never turns out well.
Time for a Smashpot on the front fork.
@@jonathanzumwalt4392 only issue with that is the extra weight. Weight on the shock isn’t as bad because the weight is lower and/or more centered on the bike. But wouldn’t want that extra weight on the fork. Maybe I’d like it though 🤷🏼♂️
@@JaredHoff Coil conversion is worth the weight penalty.
@@jonathanzumwalt4392 for sure 300 grams or a little of 1/2 lb. Plus the weight is centered on the bike.
Most of it boils down to set up. A bad set up can ruin your ride no matter what suspension you have.
@@Team81MTB for sure 👍
Insta 360 footage is pretty great I got a x3 one with dangerous Dave's link but my son stole it from me. That's why I have no RUclips content. 😂😅
(Yeah right, I'm just too lazy for that)
@@LaurentiusTriarius 😂 Glad your son is using it. RUclips takes a lot of effort man but you get what I’m talking about.
I woke up at 4am this morning and spent 4 hours editing this video just to get it released…
@JaredHoff you're a real super hero tbh plus you're not even doing this for piles of cash or fame, passion is a hell of a drug 😜
Coil is far superior to air ......only when the bike is s proper progressive design. Linear bikes like the over priced Pivots need an air shock to perform.
All i know is fr 160/150 coil life! My go pro has failed at 5/5 enduro races this year. Really bummed me out ands robs everyone of my amazing riding 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i only dip into double blacks and danger snicklers. BoooooIiinnnnggg squish sqish
@@tonkshred heck yeah! Sucks about the GoPro dying on you like that. Ridiculous man.
In the USA gopro sucks, only once I jad that issue.
Dji all day
@@bicifamily I’m stoked on the insta360 for now 👍
DJI is far superior
@@323johnnybravo I’ve never tried DJI 🤷🏼♂️
Your helmet strap is loose.
@@Szymon89Lewandowski I’ll check on that 👍 thanks!
That shit backwards
@@Michael-sl3nk Noep! check the link in the video description and look at the N9. Shock is on the right way.
@@Michael-sl3nk Nope! Check the Collosus N9 link in the video description see for yourself. That’s how the bike is supposed to be
its trunnion. thats the only way it can mount.
@@InfiniteVibration 👍
FRIGGIN GOPRO LIKE OAKLEY GETTING TO NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT PRODUCTS OR CUSTOMERS.
@@delnayelan I’m super disappointed with GoPro. I think they got complacent 🤷🏼♂️