How to mount Simagic Haptic Pedal Reactor (P-HPR) to Non-Simagic pedals
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2023
- You will need:
-The motors
-Mounting bracket for each motor (come with sticky rubber pads included, see more info below)
-P2000 control box
-Simagic power supply for control box
-USB B-type cable (not provided with control box)
-Screws depending on your pedal model (maybe washers)
Forgot to mention in the video:
There are some sticky rubber pads that come with the mounting bracket. I recommend you to stick some of them to the inside of the side wall that screws on to the pedal arm, so it forms a flat surface. It's not a must, but it looks a bit nicer when you mount it to the pedal arm, because otherwise it will be a bit skewed. Doesn't have any effect on the functionality, just a tip for a nicer look :)
Shoutout to Race Beyond Matter RUclips channel @chepilevski , I got the idea to from him :) Check out his video on the Haptic Reactors: • That small device can ... 
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That was a really charming tutorial, good work.
Thanks for taking the time to make this.
Big ups, your doing the Lords work out here…. Appreciate the info.
Forgot to mention in the video:
There are some sticky rubber pads that come with the mounting bracket. I recommend you to stick some of them to the inside of the side wall that screws on to the pedal arm, so it forms a flat surface. It's not a must, but it looks a bit nicer when you mount it to the pedal arm, because otherwise it will be a bit skewed. Doesn't have any effect on the functionality, just a tip for a nicer look :)
Thanks for this I’m going to try mounting them on my TLCM pedals
You're welcome :) I think my workaround doesn't work particularly well with the TLCM pedals, since they don't have any screw holes where you can screw the mounting bracket in, but if you can find another way to mount them, it's definitely worth it 👍
Thank you so much, I have the same pedals!
Great product, i think all the other brands will scramble ro make rheir own versions of this stat
I tried it this way on the VRS pedals and unfortunately it's not possible , they are slightly different compared to your pedals , so I just tightened the simagic bracket on the pedals with couple of cable ties and the things is rock solid , the only thing I did exactly like you I flipped the bracket upside like you 😀 , thank you for this video mate 👍
Thanks for the info, glad that you still found a way to mount them to your pedals, enjoy them mate 👍
Fyi there are some 3d printed adapter plates you can use if you find the desire to get rid of the zipties.
@@simon021link to these 3d printed adapter plates?
This works on Heusinkveld sprints confirmed, and is far better than I expected for a "workaround", there is absolutely zero flex or shake and the profile looks nice on the pedals. I happened to have extra nut/washer that fit but unfortunately I can't remember if that's part of the heusinkveld extras that came with the sprints or part of another purchase.
Thanks for confirming for the Sprints users, glad it's working well for you :)
Ok, my Sprint Padels looks completly different. I'm not able to use this hack 🤔
@@flying__high Have you tried all the screws on the pedal arm? On pictures it looks like that you could use the screws in the middle of the arm.
Or maybe as an alternative: I see that the pedal arm of the Heusinkveld Sprints has many holes on the side, maybe you could get some big washers and nuts and then put a screw through the mounting bracket, then the hole of the pedal arm, and then put the washer and nut to screw in the screw. I hope you understand what I mean xD
How did you go about mounting it?
Mine are supposed to be in today: I haven’t used my rig in a year. I can’t wait to get them mounted an see how they feel. They look awesome
I may try this on moza SRP.
Thanks for the video, just a question regarding the control box you used to connect the motors to the pc, was this included with the motors or did you have to purchase separately?
You're welcome :) There are some shops that sell the control box together with the haptic motors, but in general they are separate products and have their own prices etc. In the video description you can find a list with all the parts that you need to run them with PC, each point of the list is a separate product so to say, for example USB-cable and power supply is also sold separately
Nice! Did you have rumble before? I have rumble right now (sim3d) and not sure if I should swap to these for a better feel.
Haven't had the rumble motors before, so unfortunately I have no comparison.
But I have seen some videos about it, which all say that the haptic motors are better than the rumble motors: The haptic motors basically have no delay as opposed to the rumble motors which need some time to spin up. And also the quality of the feedback seems to be better, the feedback of the rumble motors is more of a vibration (similar to a console controller), whereas the feedback of the haptic motors are actual haptic 'kicks' (duh), where you can also adjust the frequency apart from the strength.
So I'd say if you are not satisfied with the delay or the quality of the feedback, then it might be worth a try.
@@baanhvu5646 I ended up buying a 3d printed mount and the brake/throttle haptic + control box + power supply. $200ish isn't too bad.
@@fireonmytarget8937 Sounds awesome! Yea, I think for what they provide it's good value, considering other active options from Simucube for example which are much more expensive. I think you won't regret it, wish you much fun with it :)
trying to work on my fanatec v3s think ill be able to just drill 2 extra holes into those brackets just need a variety pack of screws from home depo also did you notice rumble effect at 100% in simhub is very weak? seems to be like 5x stronger when using simagic software.
Yes, I had the same problem with SimHub in the beginning. The default settings in SimHub for the haptic motors were too weak for me, too, especially for the wheels lock and wheels slip effect. Basically, I adjusted the response filter curve for the effects and some minor settings like frequency etc. Now the feedback is much better for me. I made some screenshots of my settings, maybe you could try and see if it works for you:
- Motors Output tab: i.imgur.com/pIk5iWF.png
- Effects Profile tab: i.imgur.com/Ed7Dim1.png
Also don't forget to set the overall strength to 100%, at the very top of the Effects Profile tab, I overlooked that in the beginning, too 😂
@@baanhvu5646 yea i mounted them yesterday in a bit different way to fanatec v3s and figured out software works pretty good i made a youtube short on how it looks if want to see.
Anyone knows mounting option for Asetek Invicta? Maybe some custom 3d printed mount?
Do you perhaps have a link to the usb cable which wasn’t provided
Sure, it's a pretty universal cable, most people will need a USB-B to USB-A cable, assuming you have a normal USB-A port on your PC: www.amazon.de/AmazonBasics-USB-2-0-Druckerkabel-Stecker-B-Stecker/dp/B00NH13DV2?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&language=de_DE&th=1
can you turn off the green led from the control box?
I think you can't, or at least I couldn't find an option to do so in the SimPro Manager software from Simagic. That's why I simply stuck some masking tape on the control box, so it's not as annoying 😂
any help with the Venym Atrax would be appreciated
Hmm tough, the Venym Atrax look like you'll need some more modifications with it, either with the pedal itself like drilling mounting holes or something similar, or some 3D printing for a mounting bracket, otherwise I don't see much possibility to mount the haptic motors to them unfortunately, not with my workaround at least. Or maybe even try zip ties, someone in the comments wrote that he used zip ties and it seemed to work for him, but I can't comment more on that :D
Is it a pain to mount this to he sprints/ultimates? Not sure if I should get sprints, ultimates, p2000, or the simucube active pedal..
The hard part about mounting the haptic motors was just to figure out a way to mount them. The mounting itself is actually really easy once you know how to do it, since you don't need any complicated tools or so (see explanation in the video).
As for what to get: You mentioned pedals from very different price categories, I think each pedal you mentioned are very good for their own price category. The most important thing is that the pedals are based on pressure and not on position, like load cells for example. The rest depends on your own situation I would say. I personally would do it like this:
- You're just starting with simracing and want to see if it can turn into a long term hobby for you? Then I would start with something more entry to mid-range level like Sprints for example, or even cheaper maybe. Then you can try simracing without spending too much money and you can still upgrade later if you like.
- You know that you want to stay with simracing for a long time for sure? Then I would go with the best pedals that your budget allows straight away, probably Simucube active pedals in that case. Then you don't waste time and money with getting cheaper pedals first and having to sell them when you want to upgrade. Also you don't have to go through the process of getting familiar with your pedals twice.
Hope that can help you with your decision
@@baanhvu5646 I am already deep in the sim racing hole (currently have a playseat trophy, csl elite v2, csl dd 8nm, g2 and quest 3). I think right now it's either getting the active brake pedal + passive throttle and keeping the playseat trophy, or upgrading to like the gt1 pro and getting the p2000 or he sprints. the playseat trophy is very solid but doesn't have a ton of modularity. There's also the tiniest bit of flex with the csl elite v2, and I wonder if it can even fit the active pedal tray or have no flex with upgraded pedals..
@@Flexium_GG Oh ok I see, so it's more a question of balancing the budget between components, better cockpit vs better pedals if I understand correctly
Haven't had the chance to try them yet, but from the reviews that I've seen about the active pedals, they are indeed nice but seem to be more of a luxury product. You spend exponentially more money for not exponentially more performance. Definitely _more_ performance, but not exponentially more, if you know what I mean :D
In my opinion it makes more sense to upgrade the cockpit first, as it serves as the foundation of the entire rig. That way you have a solid base for all kinds of future upgrades that might come in the future.
But hey, if your top priority is on the pedals, then I think it's also valid to go with the active pedals first. I'm not sure about the mounting then though, the base plate for the active pedals seems massive and it's hard to judge from pictures if the Playseat trophy could fit them
@@baanhvu5646 Ty for the insight mate I subscribed. I’ll go with the rig first!!
Think this would work on the vrs?
Can't guarantee of course, but I would say yes. They have the same middle pieces in the pedal arms as support structure like the Heusinkvelds, so it should work pretty much the same way as explained in the video. _Maybe_ you might have to add some spacers (and also longer screw), to add some distance so the mounting bracket doesn't interfere with adjacent screws, but other than that it should be very similar in my opinion.
But in case that the workaround shouldn't work, I've also seen 3D-printed mounting adapters for VRS that you can purchase online, so either way you should be able to mount them to VRS pedals :)
Вместо родного крепления для педалей P2000, можно использовать куб алюминия, его вставить между двух плоскостей рычага педали вместо втулок и крепить теми же винтами. В самом кубе перпендикулярно просверлить отверстия и нарезать резьбу под крепление мотора, как это сделано на педалях P1000. На сцепление крепёж будет схожий, только кубик будет с выносом наверх (возможно Г-образный), чтобы мотор не цеплял механизм сцепления. Извините, что не на родном вам языке. :)
Спасибо за ваше предложение! Да, определенно возможно сделать это таким образом, это, вероятно, будет самый надежный способ установки с максимально сильной обратной связью от двигателей. Проблема в том, что у меня нет для этого ни инструментов, ни опыта :D Поэтому моей целью было найти способ установить его без сверления и т. д. Вам нужны только несколько винтов и, возможно, шайба, и это довольно много. это, поэтому я думаю, что это подойдет многим людям, которые не имеют опыта в таких вещах, как я.
Или, если у вас есть опыт в сборке подобных вещей, может быть, вы могли бы попробовать изготовить такой кронштейн для педалей не-Simagic и начать их продавать, я думаю, многие его купили бы. Я бы обязательно :)
(И извините, к сожалению, я не говорю по-русски, поэтому мне пришлось помочь Google Translate😂)
I wonder if this would work on sim jacks
The SimJack pedals have a very similar middle support structure with the screws on the side of the pedal arm, I would say my workaround should work with it too. And if not, I think there are already 3D-printed mounting adapters for the haptic reactors, so I'd say you're good to go with Simjacks eitherway :)
nice, and what pedal plate is that?
Pedal face plates are from Hybrid Racing Simulations (HRS) :)
are they worth getting for the throttle?
I think it's more crucial to avoid ABS than to avoid TC, so it's more important to have one on the brake. So if you're tight on budget, defnitely go for the haptic motor on the brake rather than on the throttle.
But if you have the money, I think having one on the throttle can be worth. For cars without TC, you can put wheel slip effect on the haptic motor, that way it will help you when you're about to lose the rear when putting too much throttle.
Beware though, some sims don't output telemetry for throttle haptics. For example in iRacing, haptic motor on throttle is pretty much useless, since iRacing doesn't output telemetry neither for TC nor wheel slip. In such cases you can only use other effects, like road rumble for example. I'm not sure about other sims though, I mainly drive in iRacing only, so you might wanna look into that before you buy, depending on your sim.
Thanks for the Video! Anyone tried or have a solution to mount on Imsim Talento pedals?
My pleasure :) From looking at pictures of the Imsim Talento pedals, there are some screws on the side of the pedal arm, you could use the top one for mounting the haptic motor (probably washer needed, looking at the size of the screw). Maybe the screws for mounting the pedal face plates could get in the way, they seem quite long, so you might have to use shorter screws for these and/or tilt the mounting bracket for the haptic motor a bit. It seems doable on the Imsim Talento pedals, but of course would be nice if someone who has these pedals could confirm
Can you share the link to the firmware?
This is the URL to the firmware file: discord.com/channels/1111167845435453482/1154699538720899073/1176075922353442869
It's a link to the offical Simagic Discord server, you will have to join it to get access to the file (firmware will also be included in next SimPro release afaik).
Does the control box come with its own power supply?
No, the box itself doesn't need a power supply, you will notice it will be powered on just by the USB connection. The power supply is for the haptic motors (you only need 1 for up to 3 motors)
@@baanhvu5646 okay thanks so you also have to buy the power supply separately?
@@Teejxt Yes, it's sold as a separate product. If it helps you, I have a list in the video description of all parts that you need :)
@@baanhvu5646 okay thanks for your help! Just one more question can you use the simagic software with them or do they have to be used with simhub ?
@@Teejxt The haptic motors support both, so it's up to you :)
Doesn't make sense at all to make such a neat product only for Sprint and not doing bracket for Ultimate are we sure the ultimate bracket are not planned?
Definitely agree with you, but I guess from business perspective it makes more sense to make the bracket for Sprints first in terms of selling numbers, since there are just more people who have them than Ultimates
they are thinking wrongly as the product look great and will sell a lot if they extend the range of brackets for others pedals sets, let's hope someone come with proper brackets, I like your solution but I will prefer a way to fix them on both end as I want the maximun of vibration going through
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Just bought the kit, what screw do I need? And did you have to change the tension of the pedals?
For Heusinkveld Ultimates the screws on the pedal arm are socket head M4 with 11mm length, so any M4 screw that is slightly longer than that should work
@@baanhvu5646 thanks man!
Oh and no, I didn't have to change anything on the pedal, the feel of the pedal actually isn't effected by the haptic motor at all
@@baanhvu5646 thanks bro, I’m just thinking about extra weight on them that I’d need to tighten them up more to compensate
@@Ghostface22x Honestly, I wouldn't be able to tell that there is some additional weight by the haptic motors, but if you feel that you need to adjust it, you can of course do so :)
dude get a fixed mount camera i could not watch this with all the camera movement!
This would've been way less confusing if you actually just installed the reactors.
Yep agreed, had the idea for the video only after I already tightened everything down and confirming that it worked, and I have the habit of tightening things really hard, so was too lazy to unmount them 😂