The Ideal Sim Racing Seating Position
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- We take a look at what it is you need to do in order to get an ideal and comfortable seating position from your sim racing rig.
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This was a great and informative video, but I have to comment on how close you are to your steering wheel. I've been doing research on racing ergonomics (which is why I am here) and most articles and videos shows the driver sitting a couple clicks further back than you are, because sitting too close puts a lot of strain on your wrist. This may work with a wheel with light FFB (looks like you're using a T300), but with a DD wheel, you will start to injure your wrist due to the stress of holding the wheel at much higher torque. From my research (and my own time testing), it seems you want your wrist to just hang over the top of your wheel when you stretch your arm over it.
What happens when you are too close, is that your wrist bends a lot more when you are turning and your hand is at the top of the wheel. The hand placed at the top of the wheel holds majority of the FFB, while the bottom plays a supporting role, and when you are too close to the wheel your wrist has to bend more when approaching the top of the wheel when turning. With lighter FFB you may not get any straining because it's easier to manage the FFB, but if you use a DD wheel on higher torque, you'll notice your wrist will begin to hurt, because you're putting all that force on it while it is bent sideways. This exact issue happened to me when using VRS's advice on their article, and they suggest sitting close, like you are. I thought maybe I am just getting used to it, but it wasn't until I moved my seat further back when my wrist pain went away.
This is somewhat of a subjective topic due to the nature of humans comfortability, build, and rig they have; I am not saying your positioning is wrong, I just wanted to discuss this a little further to hopefully inform and help someone else get a little more comfort in their rig if they are wondering why they have wrist pain. For those who are comfortable in a closer position, keep tearing it up! Your video was informative and done very well, keep up the good work!
Thanks for making this, I've been through a lot of ergo/setup guides and this does the best job of showing exactly what you mean and providing helpful tips. My shoulders are already less tense and providing more control after getting my steering wheel in the correct position.
I wish you made this sooner. I recently started having knee pains with a load cell pedal set up on a T80 rig. My left leg was using too much of the ankle/knee muscles to apply force, causing my knee to wear out quickly. Using the tips you gave, I was able to set it up properly to where I’m using my thigh to exert force instead of my ankle and it’s working wonders now. Zero pain at all so thank you for making me want to race again.
Very glad you managed to find it before you did any damage or it got worse. Great to hear that you've now found the seating position that is more comfortable and healthier for your joints.
Wow I can't believe it's taken me this long to find this video. Excellent stuff, thank you.
hey Yorkie, a big thanks for a damn good guide on your representation to setting up a rig, this has helped me no end, keep it up fella !
seat brackets are the wrong way around, reverse and you will get more recline
Holy shit, they are! haha I didn't realize that. I might leave them as they are though as I don't need any more than there is, but thanks for pointing it out and correcting me on that one XD
No they arent, Trak Racer support says ( If you wish to keep your seating position completely flat, the best solution would be to turn the brackets around so that the long bit is at the back.) if you are setting the long part in the front it won't fit to the seat propperly. Ps. I have TR80 myself.
@@00rRap they are. Look at any side mount seats.
@@ScottPC is what trak racer supports says so.
@@00rRap yeah if you do, but it’s best to have your butt as low as possible hence why 99% of people use the side mounts the way there intended to!
Great video buddy - I've been looking for something on this for a couple of weeks just now so the timing is great!!
The go-to video for sim-racing ergonomics, thank you!
Thank you for this. I've been looking for this type of info for a long time - greatly appreciated.
What a great video... was looking so many times for this! Thanks mate!
I've got my seat in an F-16 style tilt of 30 degrees and it feels very good. Sporty feeling of being dug into the seat, rather than sitting on top.
Love this one! Good video :) I have the pleasure to wear a VR headset for my racing so it is heavy on my head , but a good seating position helps out a lot
If you mount the seat brackets facing the other way you can recline further. This is especially helpful if your rig converts to a F1 position
He actually mounted them the wrong way. The higher part is not supposed to be there.
Thank you! I’ve got a next level gt lite to start with so don’t have quite as much flexibility as I’d like but the tips help immensely.
Very informative and clearly explained! Just about to get a NLR GT Track (I need it to be movable due to space restrictions otherwise I'd have seriously considered the TraKracer you have) so will definitely re-watch this when I get my rig set up.
He's not kidding about the back support. I never thought it'd be a problem until a few days ago when I woke up with the stiffest back I've ever had in my life. It hurts to move. It hurts to breathe. It hurts to crap. Ugh. Never again.
My back already feels better just from watching this
Thanks man, i needed it.
Thank you so much for all the information!
FINALLY somebody that made a useful guide. 99% of all videos on this matter are just terrible. Well made and really helped me alot my good man. Best of luck with the channel mate
Still the definitive seating guide - thanks.
Good one, Yorkie...👍
awesdome mate great vid
Don’t underestimate how much building a extruded rig is, I have a trackracer frame and it takes a fair while to insert all the t nuts line up etc The seat runners are fiddlly. However the stiffness is well worth it and I wish I had done it much earlier as I was getting nowhere with my old cheap ish seat rig flexing. Transformative.
They are also surprisingly easy to move with lockable wheels fitted and cables clipped to the rig so they all move with it. I'd say my tr160 is way easier to move out of the way than the supposedly foldable next level racing rig I had before it (obviously steps might be a bit of an issue though)
very informative. I am about to get a used TR80 rig and will need to get everything all set up properly. I currently race using my Fanatec V3 Pedals mounted to a wooden "rig" i built myself. It basically holds the pedals and then grabs the chair i am using to it wont slide or tip backwards. My motor is mounted to my desk. In a league with 45 min races and boy do my legs get tired being at the awkward angle everything is now. After watching this it is clear to me that I may be sitting too close to my pedals. I will have to watch out for that when I set up my rig. Thank you for the great info. I Liked and Subscribed. :)
Yes, the seat bracket is the wrong way around. IMO, I find a little more recline actually more comfortable and supportive on your back, but you do need a lumber support for the Rally Style Trak Racer seat you are using.
I'm just want type the same thing you mentioned, and saying same thing tho.
Very helpful !!!
Thanks man, glad that it was!
I guess somebody wrote it already but just in case.. your seat rails are mounted the other way around, this is why that is the maximum recline you get. If you flip them around you can go to a straight seat with 0 incline to a full f1 seating position.
Hope to sit in a real race car some day and compare seat position. Looks good.
Thank you!!
Great tips. Make one for F1 seating too 👍
this is a very cool video, but then again your videos are always good anyway. But it does make me think of a question. Back a few years ago you did The ultimate guide to project cars two video, would you consider doing the same thing for ACC?
Thanks a lot dude :D As for doing it on ACC, probably not. The special thing with PC2 was that I was a dev, so I had worked on and had a lot of insiders knowledge (hence the series name) on how the game and features worked. That's obviously not the case with ACC, plus it's also quite late now in the games life cycle.
For sure though, there will be some tutorial videos on ACC coming.
@@Yorkie065 Ahhh I gotcha man. It was just a thought that came to mind. I'll be looking out for your next video.
Great information? One question though. The profiles that your seat mounts are attached to are twice the size as the ones that came with my TR80 last month. Did you add those yourself or is that the way the tr80 came last year?
Hey yorkie great guide mate i currently have the playseat evolution rig standard grey version i got from amazon last xmas as a present not the most ideal one was a challenge to fit my new pedals i have as we had to get certain m6 bolts that would fit to the pedal plate along with the dd base too as i have the new dd base on there along with the formula v2 rim and the new csl pedals and still tweaking it to get the right position but will take these tips on board and have a play around with it thanks for the guide very informative mate for when it comes to f12021 bare in mind too am using a 48 inch lg c1 for when i do racing on so its having to sit on a normal tv stand for now so its slightly bigger than a normal monitor but its ideal as am in a loft bedroom space where i do my racing as theres not enough space
That’s the longest sentence I’ve ever seen
Great video! Could you speak to a recommended firmness for the seat? I have heard you don't want to have much cushioning as it will affect how consistent you can be in harder vs softer braking scenarios. Such as a car seat vs a cushioned Sparco vs a race seat. 🏁
To an extent yeah. I haven't tried too many seats to get a feel for which seats feel best, but coming from the angle of looking at firmness of a bed or a sofa, you want something that is comfy and fits you and your taste. Too much cushion and you end up with something that doesn't give you any support as you sink into the seat, making you have to push through cushion to use the pedals properly which unnecessarily makes you work more, and your hips, thighs and legs will start to ache being in a not so great position. Too little cushioning though and your ass and back will go numb and driving for longer sessions can be uncomfortable. So there is a balance to be found.
I like something that has a little bit of give but still plenty of support, so this seat I'm using now fits that perfectly. Have spent a lot of time in it both driving and watching and have had less aches and pains than I did previously.
If you have a car seat you really like and have no problem spending hours driving in, then consider that, otherwise look at sim racing seats like this one. I'd avoid proper race seats for cars as they're built to certain safety standards for racing and don't have to padding you're going to want for sim racing. They're suited to less driving time in one go, so aren't going to be as comfortable in longer play sessions. They're also a fair bit more expensive lol. Hopefully this helps
If you use the t300 in this sitting position, it should be fine. But if using direct drive. This sitting position is at the Hairpin Corner (close to 180-degree steering wheel). There is a car collision behind, and your wrist is easy to be injured
This has helped me soo much. I haven't raced since I've set it up, but just sitting here I feel better
Thanks bro, im using this to make my own rig out of wood😄
Shouldnt the seat mounts be at the opposite sites with the 3 holes at the back?🙃😯
Nice vid thanks, is everything still in the same position or did you have to adjust the wheel/seat position much?
I've done a few minor tweaks, but not huge ones.
Thanks!
No no, thank you!
Thanks bud
I never understand the wheel position which blocks half the monitor / windscreen.
In real life the wheel would never block your view so why different in sim racing? I have mine with screen raised slightly, so i can see all of the monitor
I could never trust to buy a fixed seat. Im always worried that if I do, then I wont to be able to adjust my back to it, forcing me into a wrong driving position forever.
Great video. But you do not mention how left the brake pedal should be, or how much right the throttle pedal should be
How many degrees of tilt does the seat have? Thanks.
I believe you should rise both the wheel and the monitor maybe 5 inch , way to low for a correct position
just starting to watch so I don't know if you mention this but your seat brackets are backwards. I know as I did the same thing.
I didn't mention that no as I hadn't even realized that that was the case until you and someone else have pointed it out in the comments lol.
@@Yorkie065 Yes, when I built my TR160 in the spring I did the same thing as it fits together better that way. People on FB pointed it out to me immediately. The long front part of the brackets do tuck nicely into the side of the cushions of the seat. It also gives far more adjustability for seating position. Cheers!!
I just got the TR8 pro and my seat is too low. It's the reclining one so uses different brackets that those ones. Not sure what to do to raise it up 2"
Ah, yeah you might be a bit stuck then with what you have. That's the disadvantage of going with a tubed frame.
If there's no way of adjusting it on the seat brackets, your next best option is to look if there's any way of adjusting the pedals, or whatever else needs adjusting to bring in line with the seat position. Other than that, you'll probably need get some cushions to put in the seat of the chair and sit on to raise yourself up.
any one got a bigger clutch leg(left) than the gas/brake leg(right)?
IMO there are some room for improvement: 1) you are sitting too reclined, so you will arch your lower back in moments of tension. It is better to put the seat more upright (90-95 degrees). 2) Your pedals are too far away: when pushing the pedals to the end, your legs should still have some angle. 3) Steering wheel is too close, your arms should have 45 degrees when grabbing it
Where do I get an extension for a csl DD?
hi again! so my right calf (the speeder) is hurting after about 45 minutes.. what change can be made?
Either bring the pedal slightly closer to you, or change the angle of it. Probably what you're doing is pushing your toes down too far, as if you're standing on your tip toes, so you're tensing the calf unnecessarily.
The pedal needs to be lower, and the wheel more inclined upwards.
I don't think you ever drove a racing car, neither Karting, Formula or Rally :
I can't imagine any serious race driver move a direct drive wheel with 20Nm like you do.
the best is 120° for the arms and 120° for the legs, your legs are at 120° but your arms are at 90°....and the head has to be in contact with the seat....
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hi! GREAT VIDEO! if my bum and lower back hurts a little after a little bit time, what can i change to make it better?
Sounds like it might be a lack of support from the seat and that you're perhaps leaning forward a tad, using your lower back muscles more. So Probably would be best to make the seat a little more upright and try to get as much of your back against the back of the seat to give it as much support as possible. Also consider lombard support and if you feel like your bum is a bit numb, perhaps a little more padding. Too much or too softer padding though won't give you the support you need so go careful with it.
@@Yorkie065 thank you so much! I Will try it out😄
Are you happy with the rally seat? Does it make you hunch your shoulders forward?
I'm very happy with it yeah. And I think most driving seats will to an extent with the position that you're in with your arms reaching out forwards. One thing I do notice having gone from a gaming desk chair to the proper rig with this seat is my shoulders and upper back doesn't get as tight and as achey as they used to.
@@Yorkie065 awesome thanks mate
i cant seem to get my position right, my left foot goes to sleep after about 15-20 mins, any tips?
Might be that your feet are too high compared to your ass / hips. So you either need to raise your seat up, or lower the pedal plate so heels of your feet are lower. That should ensure you're getting the blood flow to your feet and they're not going numb or to sleep after a period of time
And then there’s me with my steering wheel clamped onto my TV stand and me, sitting 3 feet away on the edge of my bed😂😂😂😂
I mean, whatever works! Just make sure you're supporting your back as that won't be doing you much good on the edge of the bed.
A real GT racer said, wrists should rest on the steering wheel.
Seat side brackets are the wrong way round, for me i would be sitting too close to the wheel for my liking. Wheel position should be right where your wrist bone is.
Cheers. How tall are you Yorkie?
5ft 11
Having an argument with a fellow sim racer, I say you push through your leg under braking and he thinks you do it through the ankle..
You can do it all through your ankle if you want, but unless you've got a very light pedal with no resistance, it's going to put unnecessary wear and strain through your ankle joint and tendents and wear them down quicker than you'd want. With a heavier pedal, it's best to do it through the muscles of your whole leg, as your ankle is the weakest joint in your leg by quite some way.
@@Yorkie065 Yea for sure, I recently tried to do it through the ankle with lighter loadcell rubbers but it felt like I’d lost all control, it was more visual than feel 🤷🏼♂️ cheers for the response mate 💪
just keep doing what you do now mate. Seems to work for you 😅
@@kaskenova see if my knees hold out for the next few years then say that to me 😅
Dammit I already strained my ankles by poor ergonomics…
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you installed the seat bracket backwards
Hey Yorkie065, what is the pedal in this video?
Fanatec V3 :)
Those are the ones!
I would say the wheel is way to much near you. For it looks very uncomfortable.
Why my leg is everytime hurting at the race does someone know?
Which leg and which part of the leg?
@@Yorkie065 right thigh
@@Yorkie065 answer?
@@hapticredz8339 I suspect that the height of the pedal is wrong, the pedal is too stiff (although unlikely as throttle pedals generally aren't too stiff) or you're unnecessarily pressing with too much force.
ie never understood why people actually pay for bucket seats for a sim rig, you can get a second hand normal car seat for cheaper, they are comfier and they adjust in every possible direction, up down, tilt, back and forth, recline...
If you can find a good one, it's certainly a good shout to use a normal car seat! The good thing this one and some of the other sim racing bucket seats is they're more comfortable than those used in race cars. Only downside with most sim racing seats is at you say, don't get option to recline unless you set it up in that position. Then again, once you've got it in the right place, you don't really need to move it
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Seat mounting brackets are mounted the wrong way dude!
Yup, am aware of that as a few others have pointed it out too lol. I'm happy with the position that the seat is in, so just going to leave them as is.
my dudes seat brackets are backwards.
They are here, but not anymore XD
Pretty sure your set bracket is around the wrong way lol
Ive heard too many horror stories about Trak Racer to ever consider them.
Obviously
your feet get fatigue when you sit like that in a long time
Seating position is too close to the wheel unless doing oval/stock car. Anything else you’ll want to be further back where your wrist wrests on top of the wheel vs right now your mid forearm would be on the rim.
looks good for drifting too, im using a stock car seat so all the way forward its good for rally and drift and i can put it back for other stuff . also makes it much easier to get in
Lmao, wrong. Go look at some GT3 cockpit photos.
@@edreed5571 no babe, youre wrong. Go take a closer look, maybe sit in one some time like I have. GT3 sit further back and lower.
@John S put "gt3 driving position" into a google search. Second picture says you're wrong. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
@@edreed5571 😂 you need your eyes checked. For one you’ll see the seating position is far lower in those pics, so you don’t even understand what you’re looking at. The arm position is completely different. This is too low and too close to the point that it restricts motion.
Go check those GT3 positions. With a outstretched arm your wrist will rest on the wheel. This guy is positioned so that his forearm is on the wheel.
Sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about mate.
Obviously, actually, basically, possiblity. All i hear
say obviously again
Bro didn't even mount the brackets the right way lmao... You could lean that seat way further back into an F1 position if you used it right.
kickbacks for third party sales? Hmm....not so much. Nice video though. For folks with loads of liquifiable income.
man this music is killing me
Your seat brackets are the wrong way around. 😅
That is not the ideal racing seated position…first! The seat brackets are backwards.. 🤦🏻♂️ the seat needs to be angled more back cradling you and your knees are to high up. Pedals need to be about an inch or 2 lower. The steering wheel is subjective but rule of thumb is to have your wheel to your wrists with arms extended.
Trak racer are for people who cannot think for themselves. Stop pushing their products and encourage independent thinking.I designed, built and constantly modify my profile rig and it is nearly as much fun as racing. Your channel is just adverts for trak racer