@DSharma222 interesting might give that a look. I've been looking for an actual race set up. Then making the switch to fanatic. I have a Logitech wheel now.
@@ivanmolina31 and the stand is direct drive wheel ready plus does not take to much space plus it is foldable and with a chair it is comfortable and versatile.
Some good advice, however for how high your pedals are sitting your thighs aren't getting any support from the lower part of the seat. The seat base needs to be angled in the direction of your thighs so that you sit in the seat rather than on it. That's why many GT and formula cars have bucket seats because the pedals are high. I have a "hybrid" driving position which falls in between GT and F1, which is a good compromise especially in VR so that it doesn't feel like your feet are going through the car floor.
have seen so many messed up sim rigs and had a lot of arguments with guys on Facebook about this subject they can't seem to understand the concept of simulating being inside a car they sit back 10 feet away on 75 in tv it's frustrating to explain this to the fools there's definitely a difference between gamers and simmers thanks for doing this video
K-man, this is a great video, and timely. I am always tweaking angles and distances on my Next Level stand, as I try out different chairs. I have bad wrists from guitar, RSI. So I personally need the wheel to be a little further away than the 90 degree arm bend. Otherwise, on hard turns, my wrists get a weird angle in them. So now my back hurts because my arms are out too far. Can't win! Please keep these coming because there's not too many videos on this out there.
Thank you! I had my wheel too low and was knocking my knees getting in and out. Also my wrist angle was incorrect. I raised the back of the mount and lowered the front. Now I have 2 inches more legroom and the angle to my wrists is correct. I already had the chest to wheel distance spot-on for maximum strength (I learned that from my Late Model racing friend).
You didn't cover screen distance, and I'd suggest that moving your screen a lot closer would help quite considerably in getting a more natural feeling fov. Ideally, you want be able to hold your arm out directly in front of you toward the screen, and you should be able to just touch the screen, or be just short of it. This should be around 50-60cm from your eyeball. Easiest way to set it though is to just set the screen to be barely enough ahead of your wheel's rim by about 5-10cm.
During the NASCAR races on Iracing one of the racers used a dining chair at a dining table. He won one of the races. Dale Earnhardt was seen running from a table as well at times.
I use a GT Omega Apex wheel stand so a lot of this is dealt with via minor positioning adjustments of the stand its self, so for me i found the positioning of the arms more suitable and applicable to myself as ive been curious as to whether im set up correctly. I seem to be with the positing of the arms to wheel but with it been a stand it limits the overall height of the pedals, its not uncomfortable, even for longer sessions but judging from this video, its not the "Goldie Locks" position that Kireth mentioned. Great video Kireth, found it quite helpful!
I’ve got the Prime with the RS12 seat, one thing that really annoys me is that you cannot adjust the tilt of the seat, I’d say I’ve learned it is an actual game changer on picking a rig, it really is important to have the ability to make this adjustment, the flat seat is so stupid, can cause back pain quite often.
you spoke about mounting shifter too high, if you have seen most rally cars the shifter is right next to the side of the wheel (next to your right hand for left hand cars) to spend least time possible reaching the shifter. I like it that way and is better for me as i play rally sims in vr.
I have a GT Omega Classic wheel.stand with an office chair on non-rolling replacement coasters. Unlike the F1 seating arrangement in this video, I am.sitting more like you would in out street vehicles (I would say maybe even closer to our Chevy Colorado ZR2 rather than the seating in our Audi RS3). It works for what I do, and after seeing this video, if I ever upgrade to a full rig, I will have to make sure my personal seating style will be accommodated by the rig. And as a side note, I use a Sparco P310 flat top/bottom wheel rim for every form of racing. I even packed up the original TM T300 RS GT rim because I knew I would never swap rims. (And yes, I am using a non-DD T300RS and non-load cell T3PA-Pro pedals.)
Thats a really nice setup you got👌. Im using a GT Omega Titan with DD Pro and V3 peddles. The seat is my favourite though. Real car seat from a Modern mini clubman. Fully adjustable lumbar support. Can go up down in height, forward and back, recline etc. Super sturdy and only £42 from a scapyard. It even still has the seat belt click into part 🤣. I like even more laid back than your position, bit like F1. I've a dodgy back so i had to get good lumbar support. Can race all day in it.
Great video, however that seating position may be ok for GT3, but it is too close if you have more than 360 degrees of wheel rotation. You need to be able to swing your elbows in front of your body. Wrist to rim with arm extended is the best way to achieve this distance
I found out why your Moza wheel sometimes stops working with TDU SC, it's because the mouse moves from vibration. If you can prevent that you should be fine.
Nice setup you have there wish i could affort it , i use the next level Gt lite pro with the fanatec csl dd (8nm) with the Mclaren gt3 v2 wheel and a loadcell brake pedal. Playing acc and i am happy with it😅! Sitting very comfy in it because i am not that tall! Made some adjustment on the rig and have no flex at all, only with hard breaking al little bit. Love your videos btw! 👍🏼💪🏻
Playseat Challenge? (the foldable one). Converted to stationary. The best, most comfy seat i can imagine for formula style on a budget. Even when it can get a little bit wobbly 😅
You obviously dont suffer from back problems because that foot reach to your pedals is way too long and would seriously increase back pain . Otherwise great post 👍
The problem I have with GT omega they don’t ship the seat to the Middle East but they ship the rig !! I would buy one over my TRX when they open seat shipping
Absolutely love this channel it’s very helpful.. kireth on GT7 what wheel turning degree do you have your wheel set to in the wheel settings? I’m using the TGT2 and trying to find the best turning degree to use..
I have this really bad heel pain on long sessions on my right braking foot. I know the pain comes from resting my heel on my heel plate. Is there any remedy?
Wear shoes, or put a mat on your plate. A yoga mat, or car mat would suffice. Also check your pedal angle and height. if your toes are too high at rest, this could increase heal pain
Mate your gt omega seat is destroyed the same way mine is destroyed. They sent me a new seat base but i am afraid to put it on cause this one will be destroyed too :)
I have a subaru forester seat and just measured out how i sit in my own lexus, and copied that. Seat's on its own rails, so i have full forwards/backwards and height adjustability.
Lol, Kireth literally: "As you can see the seat doesn't have any flex" the seat flexing backwards three centimeters every time he's stepping on the break 😆😆😆
Most sim racers sit too far away and have the steering wheel too low. Even the wheel is too low in this vid to be frank. Particularly for GT and Formula. The top of the wheel should be inline with the bottom of your nose. And, don't wear socks! Fibres will get into your pedal mechanisms. I've been sim racing, karting and track days for over 25 years.
To far away, i am with you. To low, no. I have seen a lot of modern GT3 onboards and also 'studied' seat positions of formula and especially lmp prototypes (there are good charts to find about it). I even angled mine slightly downwards like it is in the 919 Porsche. He is right in the area with wheel height for gt3 and touring cars. Center of wheel at chin height.
@@-row-garfield3129 There's no right or wrong, but the higher you have the wheel, the more accuracy you have in inputs. Take a look at most F1 drivers positions, it's even higher than bottom of chin. GT3 and in Australia with Super Cars these are also just below bottom of nose. There are, I'm sure a few drivers who don't feel comfortable with this positioning. The reason many sim racers have steering wheels low is the desire to see the entire screen, but the problem is, and if you look at videos, even of Max Verstappen sim racing, his eyes are look very upwards, which isn't good for your posture or eyes!
I have a RS6 seat in my rig [prime]but have to say it's super un comfortable .i'm trying out memory foam add ons but if i decide to go for another seat i'll use your code mate.
Interesting, I love my RS6. Seats feel so different based on body type, wish we could try them all out before ordering. I hope you find something that works better for you soon.
The best chairs for longer sessions are office chairs. No sore butt, no sore upper thighs. Sure, you feel more immersed with a bucket or a racing seat, but we gotta treat this as it it, a game...
In this video it is in a ptetty normal position for GT and touring cars. When you want a formula or LM prototype position, you have to have like 'more in your face' and quite a bit higher than shown. Also you have to modify your complete seating position.
i think thats some times the angle of the camra.. i know mines still to high but the ebay knock off gt omeg art has the wheel plate move up and down when you pull it closer or further away.. even with 100mm spacer its still a lil to high but at least its almost close enough... will defo get a profile rig once i finish the pc upgrades
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As I watch this... my racing set up is a desk and a chair on wheels 😂
Well you can get a next level racing wheel stand 2.0 it is like a rig without a seat and has a cradle for your chair wheels
@DSharma222 interesting might give that a look. I've been looking for an actual race set up. Then making the switch to fanatic. I have a Logitech wheel now.
@@ivanmolina31 and the stand is direct drive wheel ready plus does not take to much space plus it is foldable and with a chair it is comfortable and versatile.
Same and I’ve been in GTWS top split from time to time
@@vman7321 well congrats!
Some good advice, however for how high your pedals are sitting your thighs aren't getting any support from the lower part of the seat. The seat base needs to be angled in the direction of your thighs so that you sit in the seat rather than on it. That's why many GT and formula cars have bucket seats because the pedals are high.
I have a "hybrid" driving position which falls in between GT and F1, which is a good compromise especially in VR so that it doesn't feel like your feet are going through the car floor.
have seen so many messed up sim rigs and had a lot of arguments with guys on Facebook about this subject they can't seem to understand the concept of simulating being inside a car they sit back 10 feet away on 75 in tv it's frustrating to explain this to the fools there's definitely a difference between gamers and simmers thanks for doing this video
The difference is normally about £10,000 and one has a girlfriend while the other has an iRacing subscription and 1:1 FOV settings. 😂
K-man, this is a great video, and timely. I am always tweaking angles and distances on my Next Level stand, as I try out different chairs. I have bad wrists from guitar, RSI. So I personally need the wheel to be a little further away than the 90 degree arm bend. Otherwise, on hard turns, my wrists get a weird angle in them. So now my back hurts because my arms are out too far. Can't win! Please keep these coming because there's not too many videos on this out there.
Im using a genuine Evo 8 Recaro seat on my TR80 setup. I love it.
3:26 Love the magic chair switch up. That's a neat trick ;-)
Thank you! I had my wheel too low and was knocking my knees getting in and out. Also my wrist angle was incorrect. I raised the back of the mount and lowered the front. Now I have 2 inches more legroom and the angle to my wrists is correct. I already had the chest to wheel distance spot-on for maximum strength (I learned that from my Late Model racing friend).
You didn't cover screen distance, and I'd suggest that moving your screen a lot closer would help quite considerably in getting a more natural feeling fov.
Ideally, you want be able to hold your arm out directly in front of you toward the screen, and you should be able to just touch the screen, or be just short of it.
This should be around 50-60cm from your eyeball.
Easiest way to set it though is to just set the screen to be barely enough ahead of your wheel's rim by about 5-10cm.
During the NASCAR races on Iracing one of the racers used a dining chair at a dining table. He won one of the races. Dale Earnhardt was seen running from a table as well at times.
Jacques Villeneuve used a joypad!
I use a GT Omega Apex wheel stand so a lot of this is dealt with via minor positioning adjustments of the stand its self, so for me i found the positioning of the arms more suitable and applicable to myself as ive been curious as to whether im set up correctly. I seem to be with the positing of the arms to wheel but with it been a stand it limits the overall height of the pedals, its not uncomfortable, even for longer sessions but judging from this video, its not the "Goldie Locks" position that Kireth mentioned.
Great video Kireth, found it quite helpful!
Thanks!!!
I’ve got the Prime with the RS12 seat, one thing that really annoys me is that you cannot adjust the tilt of the seat, I’d say I’ve learned it is an actual game changer on picking a rig, it really is important to have the ability to make this adjustment, the flat seat is so stupid, can cause back pain quite often.
you spoke about mounting shifter too high, if you have seen most rally cars the shifter is right next to the side of the wheel (next to your right hand for left hand cars) to spend least time possible reaching the shifter. I like it that way and is better for me as i play rally sims in vr.
I have a GT Omega Classic wheel.stand with an office chair on non-rolling replacement coasters. Unlike the F1 seating arrangement in this video, I am.sitting more like you would in out street vehicles (I would say maybe even closer to our Chevy Colorado ZR2 rather than the seating in our Audi RS3). It works for what I do, and after seeing this video, if I ever upgrade to a full rig, I will have to make sure my personal seating style will be accommodated by the rig. And as a side note, I use a Sparco P310 flat top/bottom wheel rim for every form of racing. I even packed up the original TM T300 RS GT rim because I knew I would never swap rims. (And yes, I am using a non-DD T300RS and non-load cell T3PA-Pro pedals.)
Thats a really nice setup you got👌.
Im using a GT Omega Titan with DD Pro and V3 peddles. The seat is my favourite though. Real car seat from a Modern mini clubman. Fully adjustable lumbar support. Can go up down in height, forward and back, recline etc. Super sturdy and only £42 from a scapyard. It even still has the seat belt click into part 🤣. I like even more laid back than your position, bit like F1. I've a dodgy back so i had to get good lumbar support. Can race all day in it.
Nice setup!!
Great video, however that seating position may be ok for GT3, but it is too close if you have more than 360 degrees of wheel rotation. You need to be able to swing your elbows in front of your body. Wrist to rim with arm extended is the best way to achieve this distance
I found out why your Moza wheel sometimes stops working with TDU SC, it's because the mouse moves from vibration. If you can prevent that you should be fine.
Have they fixed this? Was the same in the demo
I see I'm in the 5% category. Great video.
Playseat Trophy FTW… comfortable, somewhat cheap… very adjustable… very comfortable.
Playseat challenge also super comfy! Not the best for pedals tho
Nice setup you have there wish i could affort it , i use the next level Gt lite pro with the fanatec csl dd (8nm) with the Mclaren gt3 v2 wheel and a loadcell brake pedal.
Playing acc and i am happy with it😅! Sitting very comfy in it because i am not that tall! Made some adjustment on the rig and have no flex at all, only with hard breaking al little bit.
Love your videos btw! 👍🏼💪🏻
Playseat Challenge? (the foldable one). Converted to stationary. The best, most comfy seat i can imagine for formula style on a budget. Even when it can get a little bit wobbly 😅
Thanks for the great advice! I just built my first rig and info like this has been super helpful 🫶
Awesome!
Great video, thanks for the advice.
Your new seat looks so good! 🤩
You obviously dont suffer from back problems because that foot reach to your pedals is way too long and would seriously increase back pain . Otherwise great post 👍
Yep, legs should be slightly bent at all times. It's a safety thing too! Learnt this from a touring car/GT driver.
I agree. Pedals so you don't have to reach with lumbar support is so important. Might are quite vertical so I don't strain when reaching full force.
The problem I have with GT omega they don’t ship the seat to the Middle East but they ship the rig !! I would buy one over my TRX when they open seat shipping
Thanks for the tips. I used to hanging the hands over the wheel advice.. Realize i'm seeing a bit too far away.
Hi Kireth - Can you please tell me the adapter you are using between the Ascher wheel and the Moza wheel base.
"i race for real, wich is very uncomfortable some times"
dang, rememers me when the evoX brunt down on the nürbrugring😂😢
Where is your mic stand from?
Absolutely love this channel it’s very helpful.. kireth on GT7 what wheel turning degree do you have your wheel set to in the wheel settings?
I’m using the TGT2 and trying to find the best turning degree to use..
was going to get the adjustable cloth gt omega seat but seen reviews showing the cloth splitting/tearing which i noticed has happened to your one
solid good advice but it does make me question just what kind of set ups some of you may have for some of this to even be mentioned lol
I sit like in the company van when in my sim rig
I have this really bad heel pain on long sessions on my right braking foot.
I know the pain comes from resting my heel on my heel plate.
Is there any remedy?
Wear shoes, or put a mat on your plate. A yoga mat, or car mat would suffice. Also check your pedal angle and height. if your toes are too high at rest, this could increase heal pain
Mate your gt omega seat is destroyed the same way mine is destroyed. They sent me a new seat base but i am afraid to put it on cause this one will be destroyed too :)
Looks like I'll be getting the spanners out at the weekend.
I have a subaru forester seat and just measured out how i sit in my own lexus, and copied that. Seat's on its own rails, so i have full forwards/backwards and height adjustability.
Add the wheel for ultimate immersion!
Me too but using a mini clubman seat. Such a good decision having real car seat to sit in.
@@Kireth the old momo subaru wheel would actually be pretty sick ngl
Got a Suzuki Swift Sport seat from junkyard for 30 bucks, cleaned it and built the base from wood. Refuse to pay for simrigs, the are too expensive.
Some cable management would be a good idea😂
Lol, Kireth literally: "As you can see the seat doesn't have any flex" the seat flexing backwards three centimeters every time he's stepping on the break 😆😆😆
To be fair the flex isn't primarily coming from the seat but the profiles and connections below. I didn't think the 80x40s would bend so much.
What's a break?
@@PhpGtr a typo for brake.
Most sim racers sit too far away and have the steering wheel too low. Even the wheel is too low in this vid to be frank. Particularly for GT and Formula. The top of the wheel should be inline with the bottom of your nose. And, don't wear socks! Fibres will get into your pedal mechanisms. I've been sim racing, karting and track days for over 25 years.
To far away, i am with you. To low, no. I have seen a lot of modern GT3 onboards and also 'studied' seat positions of formula and especially lmp prototypes (there are good charts to find about it). I even angled mine slightly downwards like it is in the 919 Porsche.
He is right in the area with wheel height for gt3 and touring cars. Center of wheel at chin height.
@@-row-garfield3129 There's no right or wrong, but the higher you have the wheel, the more accuracy you have in inputs. Take a look at most F1 drivers positions, it's even higher than bottom of chin. GT3 and in Australia with Super Cars these are also just below bottom of nose. There are, I'm sure a few drivers who don't feel comfortable with this positioning. The reason many sim racers have steering wheels low is the desire to see the entire screen, but the problem is, and if you look at videos, even of Max Verstappen sim racing, his eyes are look very upwards, which isn't good for your posture or eyes!
I have a RS6 seat in my rig [prime]but have to say it's super un comfortable .i'm trying out memory foam add ons but if i decide to go for another seat i'll use your code mate.
Have you tried adding lumbar support? RS6 I've used for 3 years with no problems so maybe got lucky!
Interesting, I love my RS6. Seats feel so different based on body type, wish we could try them all out before ordering. I hope you find something that works better for you soon.
@@RADERFPV It's fine .I lost a lot of weight due to illness so have a bony arse now lol I've got padding on it now amd can race all day no probs
I placed my rig setup like the position in a real audi r8 , i worked with audi before.
Where can I watch your real world racing?
your feet seem insanely high, like you’re lying down almost. do you do that on purpose?
Do you recommend Alienware the Aurora 16 we're the legend
my only comfort issue has been my gas pedal foot getting numb during long oval races
You need inverted and that will help tons with your knees and your foot going numb also
@@AdamOutlaw87 seeing the invert racks its not too cheap to do but i have separated pedals (sprints) so thats not issue
@@vjollila96 do you have your seat slightly tipped back ?
One thing I deal with is my accelerating foot or ankle hurting after driving a while even tho it’s not hanging just from the constant pivoting lol
You may need to adjust your pedal angle or range. Any angle that that causes your foot to stretch or compress will cause you anke pain
@ thank you for the tip!
I lie in my bed with my D Pad and project the game to my ceiling
How do you like the CRPs??
CRP2s, but preferring them over my V3s at the moment. Videos on the V3s and CRP2s incoming!
The best chairs for longer sessions are office chairs. No sore butt, no sore upper thighs. Sure, you feel more immersed with a bucket or a racing seat, but we gotta treat this as it it, a game...
I took the base off my GT Omega Sport gaming chair and bolted the chair to my rig. Very comfortable.
The best is a normal car seat. You can find one for peanuts, they are adjustable, and they're designed to be comfy while driving long distance.
Agree, definitely real car seats are the best, and yes they're super cheap.
I tried that. My wife was furious, she made me put it back in her car! 😂
@@ricwilki6254 😄
I have 2 different setups, a GT and a F1 as you know both setups are different
...dont drive with socks! 😉
Thumbnail mentions screen height and distance. Another video perhaps?
I see all these sim racers setups and can't help but feel like 90% of them have there wheel way too high.
In this video it is in a ptetty normal position for GT and touring cars. When you want a formula or LM prototype position, you have to have like 'more in your face' and quite a bit higher than shown. Also you have to modify your complete seating position.
i think thats some times the angle of the camra.. i know mines still to high but the ebay knock off gt omeg art has the wheel plate move up and down when you pull it closer or further away.. even with 100mm spacer its still a lil to high but at least its almost close enough... will defo get a profile rig once i finish the pc upgrades
So, i just squeeze into my second hand playseat...i am 6ft 5", so not ideal tbh....lol
I am 6'1 and i thought my height was the limit for this seat 🤣
@@-row-garfield3129 I've had a friend in it similar height, but a good 20 odd stone....lol
I don’t like my legs so laid out 😇
I"m 100% sure mine is wrong
Any adjustment is a step in the right direction then 👍👍
nice , now all you need to do is get your monitor closer to you .
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Gt OMEGA ruels
No offense, I do not want a F1 car seating setup.
You use MOZA.. vomit. The end
your wrist angle is really bad
😁👍