I mean not really... if you are a commanding officer its your responsibility to lead, coordinate your troops effectively and try to minimize casualties and the greatest tactician and they don't exactly come out of the womb having a great battlefield awareness i mean they were sure but no matter how much you study its not the same as anything can happen on a battlefield its the same argument as degrees vs experience in real life its like captain rex says "experience outranks everything" but for clones even if they were trained they still need experience to be the great leaders they were
@@papaizzo I can since those arent "feelings" and more of a statement which is misinformed secondly doesn't matter if they come from a tube or a womb designating troops behind or infront of the line is the point here
This contrasts with say, US army doctrine. "Leave no man behind" When retreating, the army prioritizes survivability. half your team/squad/platoon, whatever, suppresses the enemy while the other half falls back, then they switch roles, leapfrogging backwards. With the clones strategy, either you're down a man, or you didnt need to retreat in the first place.
A fighting withdrawal is just basic military tactics. No different than flanking movements or overlapping fields of fire prep. Everyone uses them. There is no reason why the clones wouldnt either other than the writers didnt understand basic combat tactics.
@@worndown8280 Lore wise, the republic experienced something like a millennia of peace before the outbreak of the clone wars, so it makes sense that there was no established doctrine. However, there is zero reason why clones would use the "leave a man behind" tactics if fighting withdrawals were within their doctrine.
@@5.7addict70 You figured some one would have wrote down basic tactics or stored it. I mean we have the Art of War and its two millennia old, and its tactics and strat including logistics.
@@worndown8280 Yeah but the art of war doesn't really cover small unit tactics, especially not ones viable in the modern day. I imagine something of the like existed in SW because they had the whole logistics thing figured out. Regardless, it's canon (even in some 'non canon' works) that the Clones had one hell of a time during the first few battles. First battle of Geonosis for example. The republic army caught the separatists with their proverbial pants down, and despite arriving with a large contingent of Jedi, still were beaten back and took heavy casualties. Compare that with the second battle. Heavy casualties to anti air, but still managed to establish a solid foothold. Hard lessons were learned, and tactics evolved quickly.
@@worldofwarcraftman2 I doubt you'll read my essay, but no it isn't. When you're trying to slow down a force much larger than your own it's better to tear off a larger portion of your smaller force and stick it as deep into your controllable space as possible against the van of opposition. This is something even droids will have to at least slow down to deal with. Leaving a lone rearguard piecemeal is defeating yourself in detail for the enemy while simultaneously leaving a breadcrumb trail to conveniently follow. The difference between a retreat and a rout is time and space and actually getting away, so in spite of greater value per troop the Clone Troopers were the most wasteful with this tactic.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 Good description I feel. A small splinter group at a bottleneck or kill zone seems to be more effective for slowing advancing troops than a lone gunman
Yeah, just see Tech calling the plan 99. Even a clone who is mainly trained to hack and do programe, device works does not hesitate to make a sacrifice.
The GAR was the single most effective military in all of Star Wars history. The individual clones were not the geeatest warriors, though they were far better than most, but their cohesion, duty, and strategy allowed them to become infinitely more than the sum of their parts.
Wow that's... a horrible tactic. Ideally during a retreat you don't want to leave anyone behind, as that decreases the strength of your unit, making you more vulnerable to further attacks. So by sacrificing one soldier at a time your numbers will dwindle rapidly, and you're at risk of losing the entire unit.
Tbf clones can be grown at any rate you like (provided you are ok with sub optimal results do to inferior growing time) you can't do the same for nateral soldiers
@@aureklanderson4498 That doesn't make this a viable strategy, you should never take unnecessary risks like this in a war. And these clones were trained by *Mandalorians.* And on top of that, the Republic was *vastly* outnumbered by the droid army. Every soldier counts.
You are awesome. Im subbing! Also you should do your take on what ifs. Like what of a CIS fleet ignored the shutdown order and just waited at a factory world. Not muatafar. Like a bunch of CIS made a rally point for a big last act of defense?
Ive read many novels about troopers and commandos. Ive watched every episode of the clone wars. Ive seen every star wars movie. Where does it say this was their tactic? Ive never seen them do this or read about them doing this. It doesnt make sense. It is not a strategy that works.
The clone trooper tactic is retarded. There is a maneuver called peeling. The last man does assume a covering position and expends ammo. Once his clip is empty, he runs back while avoiding the line of fire of the man behind him who begins suppressing the enemy. That way, the formation detaches itself from the contact without leaving anyone behind for a glorious last stand.
There's this thing called a vanguard, or there's this thing where you split your team one covers the others run and repeat, think its just starwars trying to be dark
This is not how most modern armies retreat and again shows you that going into battle with a modern Hollywood writer or director would get you killed. In the real world you do a proper fighting retreat: the first scouts the route out while the second and third man take covering positions to cover the retreat of the rest past them to the scout. Then two more troopers take up covering positions to cover 2 & 3 who are now at the rear. This was done at Gallipoli in WW1 and again at Kokoda in WW2 in New Guinea. When done properly there were no Australian casualties but massive Turk or Japanese casualties. The US army was not trained in this tactic until much later in WW2 and had forgotten it before Korea. And again got caught in Vietnam with flawed training on a fighting retreat. Because both Gallipoli and Kokoda are part of our heritage most Aussy soldiers know how to do it before boot camp.
These are tactics arent brutal, they are moronic. Any recruit in Marine Corps boot camp or Army basic learns how to do a fighting withdrawal with as little as a four man fire team. Star Wars sucks at any combat tactics.
Knowing this and realizing how many times Cody hung back and waited for his men to go first... it hurts😢
I mean not really... if you are a commanding officer its your responsibility to lead, coordinate your troops effectively and try to minimize casualties and the greatest tactician and they don't exactly come out of the womb having a great battlefield awareness i mean they were sure but no matter how much you study its not the same as anything can happen on a battlefield its the same argument as degrees vs experience in real life its like captain rex says "experience outranks everything" but for clones even if they were trained they still need experience to be the great leaders they were
I mean the clones don't come out of wombs but sure, also those are his feelings not yours lol you cant just say "not really"
@@papaizzo I can since those arent "feelings" and more of a statement which is misinformed secondly doesn't matter if they come from a tube or a womb designating troops behind or infront of the line is the point here
This contrasts with say, US army doctrine. "Leave no man behind" When retreating, the army prioritizes survivability. half your team/squad/platoon, whatever, suppresses the enemy while the other half falls back, then they switch roles, leapfrogging backwards. With the clones strategy, either you're down a man, or you didnt need to retreat in the first place.
A fighting withdrawal is just basic military tactics. No different than flanking movements or overlapping fields of fire prep. Everyone uses them. There is no reason why the clones wouldnt either other than the writers didnt understand basic combat tactics.
@@worndown8280 Lore wise, the republic experienced something like a millennia of peace before the outbreak of the clone wars, so it makes sense that there was no established doctrine. However, there is zero reason why clones would use the "leave a man behind" tactics if fighting withdrawals were within their doctrine.
@@5.7addict70 You figured some one would have wrote down basic tactics or stored it. I mean we have the Art of War and its two millennia old, and its tactics and strat including logistics.
@@worndown8280 Yeah but the art of war doesn't really cover small unit tactics, especially not ones viable in the modern day. I imagine something of the like existed in SW because they had the whole logistics thing figured out. Regardless, it's canon (even in some 'non canon' works) that the Clones had one hell of a time during the first few battles. First battle of Geonosis for example. The republic army caught the separatists with their proverbial pants down, and despite arriving with a large contingent of Jedi, still were beaten back and took heavy casualties. Compare that with the second battle. Heavy casualties to anti air, but still managed to establish a solid foothold. Hard lessons were learned, and tactics evolved quickly.
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The Clones were Trained though. The republic Had No direct influence on theire tactics.
A whole squad could die because of this strategy
yes yet it's effective against droids.
@@worldofwarcraftman2 I doubt you'll read my essay, but no it isn't. When you're trying to slow down a force much larger than your own it's better to tear off a larger portion of your smaller force and stick it as deep into your controllable space as possible against the van of opposition. This is something even droids will have to at least slow down to deal with. Leaving a lone rearguard piecemeal is defeating yourself in detail for the enemy while simultaneously leaving a breadcrumb trail to conveniently follow. The difference between a retreat and a rout is time and space and actually getting away, so in spite of greater value per troop the Clone Troopers were the most wasteful with this tactic.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 Good description I feel. A small splinter group at a bottleneck or kill zone seems to be more effective for slowing advancing troops than a lone gunman
Yeah, just see Tech calling the plan 99. Even a clone who is mainly trained to hack and do programe, device works does not hesitate to make a sacrifice.
I’m glad I clicked on this video
This was one of the coolest videos ever
The GAR was the single most effective military in all of Star Wars history. The individual clones were not the geeatest warriors, though they were far better than most, but their cohesion, duty, and strategy allowed them to become infinitely more than the sum of their parts.
Very nice video. Keep up the good work. I liked it very much
Good video, I haven't seen any other Star Wars YT'ers covering this
The sacrifice of one for the lives of many.. why does that scream mando so hard to me? Falling in battle covering your comrads as they exfil
clones never fear death, they fuckin embrace it
1:36 is when video starts
great video!!!!
Captain rex and other clone said We not droids We don't follow orders Like droids We DO not fight for the Empire We fight for The Republic!
Wow that's... a horrible tactic. Ideally during a retreat you don't want to leave anyone behind, as that decreases the strength of your unit, making you more vulnerable to further attacks. So by sacrificing one soldier at a time your numbers will dwindle rapidly, and you're at risk of losing the entire unit.
Tbf clones can be grown at any rate you like (provided you are ok with sub optimal results do to inferior growing time) you can't do the same for nateral soldiers
@@aureklanderson4498 That doesn't make this a viable strategy, you should never take unnecessary risks like this in a war. And these clones were trained by *Mandalorians.* And on top of that, the Republic was *vastly* outnumbered by the droid army. Every soldier counts.
underrated
Okay im sold on clones now.
You are awesome. Im subbing!
Also you should do your take on what ifs. Like what of a CIS fleet ignored the shutdown order and just waited at a factory world. Not muatafar. Like a bunch of CIS made a rally point for a big last act of defense?
Nice video mate
things just aint been right since big e burned papa nurgles garden down. just not as many herbs and spices.
Is it possible that they implemented this in the mandolorian with paz? Would seem legit seeing the origins of the clones
Ive read many novels about troopers and commandos. Ive watched every episode of the clone wars. Ive seen every star wars movie. Where does it say this was their tactic? Ive never seen them do this or read about them doing this. It doesnt make sense. It is not a strategy that works.
Good video
The clone trooper tactic is retarded. There is a maneuver called peeling. The last man does assume a covering position and expends ammo. Once his clip is empty, he runs back while avoiding the line of fire of the man behind him who begins suppressing the enemy. That way, the formation detaches itself from the contact without leaving anyone behind for a glorious last stand.
There's this thing called a vanguard, or there's this thing where you split your team one covers the others run and repeat, think its just starwars trying to be dark
nice, but the audio is about 15% slower than it should be..
This is not how most modern armies retreat and again shows you that going into battle with a modern Hollywood writer or director would get you killed. In the real world you do a proper fighting retreat: the first scouts the route out while the second and third man take covering positions to cover the retreat of the rest past them to the scout. Then two more troopers take up covering positions to cover 2 & 3 who are now at the rear. This was done at Gallipoli in WW1 and again at Kokoda in WW2 in New Guinea. When done properly there were no Australian casualties but massive Turk or Japanese casualties. The US army was not trained in this tactic until much later in WW2 and had forgotten it before Korea. And again got caught in Vietnam with flawed training on a fighting retreat. Because both Gallipoli and Kokoda are part of our heritage most Aussy soldiers know how to do it before boot camp.
It’s not really a retreat. If you’re running without firing back at all in anyway that’s a retreat. That’s more of a tactical retrograde.
This is just bounding lol
These are tactics arent brutal, they are moronic. Any recruit in Marine Corps boot camp or Army basic learns how to do a fighting withdrawal with as little as a four man fire team. Star Wars sucks at any combat tactics.
Forget recruits, I'm a civilian with zero military experience and I know how this works conceptually.
@@ryanpayne7707it is a stupid tactic ans maybe star wars isnt that great when it comes to tactic. But when it come too strategy, star wars is great.