@Raul Pilling-Riefkohl House #2 it is then. We don't remember well if the bonus property that we showed earlier today and on IG had an office space but it was a 2 bedroom unit and had a brilliant open kitchen that had a massive set of sliders that could parcel off the kitchen if necessary. Let us know if you're interested and we'll get you in touch with the realtor for that one. - Josh & Kalie
Thank you, Helder! We had an awesome timing filming in there. You shouldn’t have any problem selling it. The video will be live on Sunday and we can’t wait to hear the feedback from the audience. We appreciate your message and are humbled. - Josh & Kalie
Welcome to Portugal and to Porto! I love your videos. I lived in london 8 years and i loved living there, in a big european city and feeling the lifestyle of a cosmopolitan city. I lived all my life in a city close to Porto in a rural area, 25 minutes drive from Porto. the same distance to the airport and beaches. I love Porto but at the moment I find the price of renting and selling houses far above the price due to a tourism boom! For those who do not mind, or like to live in a more rural environment but with great access by car or train to Porto, buying land and building your dream home from scratch, can cost much less than buy an old house in the city of Porto. it all depends on whether you prefer the lifestyle of a big city or live in a quieter place a short distance from Porto and build your own house project at a significantly lower price. welcome all to Porto and Portugal ☺️
You're exactly right. We're hoping when these restrictions ease, we can shoot a wider variety of properties to show people what's available. - Josh & Kalie
I think the average annual salary in Portugal is 33,000 Euros. I don't know that the average citizen can afford any of these. Are they over-priced to gouge the Expats? That sounds snarky, but I just don't get it. What do you two think of the prices?
Sweet! Porto is my main target, and T2 is the size I desire. Part of what I am finding challenging about Portugal and where to live is that there are so many seemingly desirable places in the country to settle. I really like northern Portugal, but I can certainly see the draw of living in the Algarve. And then there’s Lisbon. It all looks so tasty.
26 months ago but prices are just slightly higher. The issue for those without Schengen Visa is we can only stay 3 months at the longest. Many places €500 to €800 A few 400
I bet those properties now would sell for double the price. Prices are ridiculous. As a Portuguese living abroad I find this very sad for Portuguese people living with Portuguese salaries. The bubble really have to blow up and international buyers need to be monitored. Horrible panorama. The country is buying bought by foreigners. Deplorable
Yes looking forward rentals also ... traditional but functional too ... a good base for exploring all that Portugal has to offer so central areas I guess ...
@@irisotobor2947 hi, we’ve already posted the rental one. We also just posted a fantasy one of us as we got invited to check out some €1,000,000+ heritage properties.
@@ExpatsEverywhere oh thanks for letting me know ... I need to search for that one then as we shall be arriving as SOON as Boris opens the door and will need somewhere to stay 😂😉🤞
I just clicked on this and enjoyed the whole thing. For the price I would choose the first apartment with the crazy stairs. It had a cool old world feel and was close to entertainment.
I agree about the narrow stairs in apt. #1. I am a senior citizen in good health and wouldn't have any problem with stairs at the moment. But a purchase is long term and I wouldn't want to be stuck in a place with narrow, steep stairs in case I might have difficulty with them in the future. Also, I don't think multiple levels make sense in a small dwelling. It would make cleaning a chore. Can you imagine going up and down stairs to clean a small space, not to mention you have to clean the stairs, as well.
I see in your videos you were living in Orlando, Fl. My wife and I met in Orlando. We started in Kissimme, then to Orlando. Our last home was in Waterford lakes.
That's awesome, Luis. Kalie's folks were in Longwood/Lake Mary and we were staying with them when covid hit. Covid really messed up our international living/travel plans but finally, here we are. Orlando and the surrounding area is nice. We make MCO our home airport.
Yea, we went with 3 different price points but when we can get out and view houses again, we'll take a look at ones in the same price range. Any price range and size that you're interested in? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere would love to see more apartments with a view! Is price the only reason we don't see many great apartments with a river view, closer to the city? Maybe in/around Ribeira? :)
What's affordable? One of the reasons we decided to do 3 different price points for the first episode was the show a spectrum. What would be considered affordably priced? Also, we're about to editing on a rental episode and then we'll go back to houses to buy so we'll be looking out for your input here. - Josh & Kalie
I lived in Rua da Boavista for 10 years! Bought it in 2010 and when I left in 2019 the prices in the area had doubled! One of the best streets of Porto; very close to downtown and subway.
Gosh, it is fun to see different spaces. Wondering about heating? Porto is very humid and chilly in winter. Personally, all of the stairs will become very much a pain carrying up groceries and coming and going day in and day out.
Fantastic comment, Jody. Having new heating units in construction done post-2005 from what we know is very important because around that time there were new regulations put in place on building standards. The baby stroller with stairs is the biggest pain. For us just walking up and down the stairs without carrying anything, it's okay but we certainly agree with you. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere The whole video was great thanks : ) I enjoyed it all...just cheated a little bit by checking the prices before I got to the end lol : )
Our pleasure! Thank you so much for watching and commenting. The view of #3 was 😍 and we couldn't really do it justice in the video. What do you think about the price? €550k too high, about right, or where do I sign? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere yes too rich for my blood. We are going to rent for a year or more and tbh we will over pay because location and being comfortable in your living space is the key to a positive international move. We can do somewhere between 2000 and 2500 p/m.
@@RecruiterStartupPodcast Same for us! 😂 Wow, we thought that we were overpaying at €900/month. €2000-2500/month will get you something spectacular in Porto! Let us know if you want us to connect you to either PM company that we're going to work with for future episodes. They work with higher end properties. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Josh and Kalie, My Daughter and I are planning a two week trip to Portugal this January (2023). We're considering renting a van to get around. I'd like to consult with you about setting up the best itinerary to meet our needs. Glad to pay you by the hour for your help. Reply per your interest in this. Thanks. -John
Very interesting even though we're personally more interested in a house with land enough for some fruit trees, garden, pets, etc, for retirement. Location - somewhere near the water between Porto and Lisbon (but closer to Lisbon). With these 'apartments' (aka condo here in the U.S.), are there no HOA monthly fees?
Thanks, Nesit. We would be shooting this more if it wasn’t for the pandemic and how it’s changed regulations here. We do have another episode in edit but we can’t travel around right now to film more 😢 Yes, there are building maintenance and amenities fees but they seem minimal compared to the US. - Josh & Kalie
hey guys! Thanks so much for selecting 3 apartments in varied price ranges, locations and aesthetic. All 3 apartments look great, especially the 3rd one. Didn't you guys feel there was a tremendous amount of road noise on the balcony of the 3rd?
You're very welcome. These videos in particular are a lot of work but a lot of fun too. We like to do them but we're slow to get them out. 😂 There wasn't much traffic below at all in the 3rd to have any serious noise pollution. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Sophie, flooding in the city is super rare. The flood that happened last week was speculatively due to effects of the construction in that part of the city. 3 months out of the year or so it's gray and rainy but the other 9 are great. - Josh & Kalie
Hello there.....really enjoying your videos (learned about your channel from Amelia and JP channel.........visited Lisbon at end of 2019 and just loved it there.........seriously considering a move to Portugal when I retire (turning 66 this year)..........thanks so much for post, and i'll be a regular visitor to your channel. Wayne
Hi, Wayne! Thanks for reaching out. We're glad that you found us. Portugal seems to be a hot place for retirement. We see people moving to some of the smaller town around Portugal with a slow pace of life and lower cost of living. We have a rental episode that we're working on. At the moment, we can't film anything else due to the lockdown restrictions, but once it passes, we're planning to get back out and film more. We hope you stay in touch. - Josh & Kalie
Thank you, Todd. We hope to see you again and we certainly plan on doing more of these. Thank you for your compliment on the music if you want the contact info of where we got the tracks, let us know. - Josh & Kalie
I don't know if you already bought a house or not. Unfortunately the prices of houses in Porto are very inflated. Of these 3 houses, I personally liked the last one, but the price, my God. Often, in the cities near Porto, you can already buy houses with "slightly more realistic prices" (except with a view of the Douro River, it is a spectacular view. There are always small towns and villages close to the river, but they do not have transport with ease, etc.). You can always "take a look" at cities like: - Rio Tinto, +/- 20 minutes by bus (depending on the stop where the trip starts) to Porto and there are several, +/- 10 minutes by train and +/- 15 minutes by Metro (depending on where the trip starts) ); -Ermesinde, +/- 15 minutes by train, +/- 35 minutes by bus and there are several direct ones, Ermesinde has no metro; -Aguas Santas, depending on the area, you can take a train, 10 minutes to Porto. Buses, depending on the area, there are areas where direct buses run to Porto, +/- 25 minutes and there are areas where it may be necessary to take 2 buses; -Pedrouços, there is no train. At the bus level, I know that there are areas where buses pass, but I am not aware of the times and how many buses is necessary to take; -Maia (center), has Metro and bus. The number 600 makes the direct connection to Porto takes +/- 35 minutes. -Valongo (Centro), has buses, +/- 50 minutes. Train +/- 25 minutes. -Vila nova de Gaia (center, in the area of El Corte Ingles), Metro +/- 10 minutes, several buses and train, +/- 5 minutes. All the cities I mentioned, (Águas Santas depending on the area), have schools, supermarkets, etc. These are some suggestions from cities close to Porto. Just an opinion, don't choose apartments without an elevator. And one more thing, if you buy, I do not know if you have already bought, usually the apartments have "Condominium", which serves, for example, to make the necessary maintenance to common areas of the building, such as the elevator for example. And then "a fee" is stipulated to be paid monthly by all the tenants. I live in Ermesinde, one of the suggestions I mentioned above. :P Compliments
Thanks for all the information, Pedro. We haven't bought yet. We're also doing this to show our viewers what they could get in different places at different price points. - Josh & Kalie
The no doors concept is really new trend of architecture. None of those 3 are traditional of course. And be careful with the renovations on old buildings, in these last years many were made really fast for airbnbs and they masked serious problems. All these prices are really inflated. I would recommend to check a bit by yourselves on websites like olx, imovirtual and idealista. Have you already invested in an apartment?
No, no. We haven't invested. Not sure how much you keep an eye on the market here, but during Covid it was one of the major real estate markets in Portugal to actually go up! It's up around 10%. But yes, it's inflated for sure. Many recent buyers we've heard from say that you should be able to get 10-15% off asking price. - Josh & Kalie
I was close. I guessed 150, 300, and 500. That last one!!!! YO!!! That view!!! Not gonna lie, screenshot that and made it a screensaver!!! I'm digging this type of video, guys! Just gets me more hyped about moving!! Maybe, by the time we are ready to roll that third one will be available to rent...teehee. Keep doing what you do! You have no idea how much your videos help me to keep my eye on the prize! I have a trilogy of RUclipsrs I watch for my Portugal fix and you guys are in it!! Thank you so much!
Hey, Angelia! First and foremost, we're humbled to be in that trilogy. Thank you 🙏 Loving the energy here in the comment. Your guesses weren't too far off. We'll make a deal with you...next time that we're in a property with a view like that, we'll take a photo for you so you don't have to use a screenshot. Cool? 😉 Thanks for the support for this type of video. We know that we made mistakes during production but it was a big undertaking and our first ever time shooting something like this at all so we will correct those mistakes next time and I'm sure find other mistakes that'll need to be fixed in the 3rd one. 😂 Keep your eye on the prize and let us know how we can help. - Josh & Kalie
Aww 🥰Thank you. We're really glad you found the episode both helpful and interesting. That's exactly what we're going for. This was a great experience and we hope to make improvements for the next one. - Josh & Kalie
For a real good deal and better quality life, move away from the big cities centre, for example, near Lisbon (more or less 40km away) you have detached houses with your own private pool for the same amount of money of apartment 2. In small towns you have the same amenities but with a much better life quality.
Thanks for sharing your experience on property hunting. Can you please share if a property is paid off do you have to keep paying property taxes like in the USA? Also, for condominium properties, is there an HOA fee involved?
Thank you for making this video so we can take a peep at Porto while we are missing this city. We also got hold of an apartment in Matosinhos a couple of years ago, planning to apply for D7 in the end of next year. Hope more people can come to this great place.
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment about your story. We hope you subscribe and follow this journey with us. Let us know if there's something in particular you're missing and we'll try to shoot it. - Josh & Kalie
Great Video! I am a year late, but there is Two things I am wondering about buying an apartment there: #1: Is there HOA fees for maintenance every month? If so, how much? And #2: What are the taxes like over there? Is it one flat tax or a mix of different taxes? Thanks for any info!
Thank you. Don't worry better late than never as far as we're concerned. 1. Yes, generally under €50 for condo fees. 2. What kind of tax are we talking? Property or income? Property is a percentage and we believe it's by category of the property value. Income is a tier graduated income tax. - Josh & Kalie
Hi guys, love your video. Would you mind sharing real estate info? Like to know in general if there is property tax and how much, is there HOA fees and how much?
Hi, Arben. Thanks for the love. Email us at info@expatseverywhere.com for realtor info. As far as property tax, we could try to get that covered in a future episode. HOA fees are lower than in the US for sure but they vary from place to place for sure. We've seen them super low like €15/month and others for €100+ with great benefits like a private gym with a sauna like the one in this episode. - Josh & Kalie
Thank you. Thanks for leaving us a comment too. We have another Property Hunt Portugal episode in the works. This time it'll be rentals. If you're curious about moving and living in Portugal, we've got you covered. It's our goal to inform, entertain, and inspire. If we can do all 3 in one video, we've hit a homerun 😁. We try to make sure we hit 2 of the 3 in every video. - Josh & Kalie
In that perspective, you're 100% right! How much is an apartment at the Pinnacle again? Surely someone could get 2 nice properties in Portugal for that. But the Pinnacle is amazing 🤩 - Josh & Kalie
I like house no 1 but it’s doesn’t look family friendly. The finishes look great but house no 2 looks much better in terms of space. Love the kitchen island in house #2 and love the toilets in house #3. The building (house #3) looks bland but nice interior. Feels like it’s on the other side of Porto. Great share guys
Nah, it’s not one for kids for sure. At least we don’t think so. Short term rental definitely. That patio area is top notch and could be really well utilized 8-9 months out of the year. We agree with you about 2. It’s honestly the most American style of all but it’s no surprise with an American couple being the clients it was made for. #3 was like the most incredible hotel room you can have. We could only imagine it with amazing furniture and artwork on the walls. We love reading your take on it. Thanks for comment! We hope to have several more of these types of episodes. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere No worries. Thanks for replying. It’s nice to see some home tours in Porto to get a sense what apartments and houses are like there. I’ve just relocated to Lisbon and one thing I noticed there are a lot of Americans or American accents here. I’m wondering what attracts them to this city/country. Yeah, no 2 reminds me so much of House Hunters International in some way. 😅 Take care and stay safe guys 👍🏻
@@WeaveTheStory How’s everything there for you? Our guess is that it’s a capital city so conceivably that’s where the jobs are. From the people reaching out to us, it’s a pretty good spread of places that people are wanting to go. From Braga to the Algarve. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere It felt pretty grim for me initially as I came from a Covid free zone into a Covid hotspot. Plus the weather didn't help either. But I'm slowly settling in and getting things started. Yeah, I was kinda surprised in a way I hear so many American accents everywhere I go so there must be something attractive about the country. Stay well and stay safe guys!
We're in the market! Keep these Real Estate Videos coming! I would imagine you guys could make some sweet commissions filming these available homes, too! Beautiful Family by the way!
Thank you, Cheryl. We're finding it difficult to film right now because of the regulations, however, we do have stuff that we've already filmed that we'll be releasing soon. Kalie and I like real estate. We're real estate investors in the US so it's something that interests us and it's fun to make this content. When the restrictions lessen, we'll get back out and shoot more in different places with different sizes of properties. Thanks again for the support. - Josh & Kalie
Ola Josh, Kalie, Valencia and Pincho. My wife and I are enjoying all your videos. We are considering moving to Portugal in a few years for retirement. My wife likes the beach so it is the Algarve for us. We have a trip scheduled for May of next year, if possible with all that is going on. We are considering Vila Real Santo Antonio, Tavira, Loule and Carvoeiro. All you information has been so helpful for when we need to move forward with our move. Thank you so very much for doing all this work and posting. We are looking forward to all your future videos. Obrigado and Ate logo =)
That’s so very kind of you, Luis. We really do wish you well in your approaching retirement. Please do let us know if you need anything from us in the future. We’ll be glad to help if we can. The south seems great for retirement! Thanks for the support. I’ll send your love to the whole family. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks, Minh Tran. We just enjoy real estate and we know several viewers do too so we contacted a few agencies so we can get into shoot some homes. We're going to try to do a rentals episode next, but we're waiting to hear back from the property management company. In reality, we'd like to do a couple more here in Porto and then maybe 2 episodes like this in Lisbon and other places. With covid right now, traveling isn't the best idea or easiest. - Josh & Kalie
Honestly, they all seemed fairly priced for an appartment in Porto, given the condition they were in. The last one was just a dream, and the 2nd seemed a touch overpriced. Thanks for sharing!
Hi, I’m heading to Portugal end of this month to investigate whether to purchase a property in Lisbon or Porto. Can anyone recommend a couple of good real estate agents in each city? Also when are the expat gatherings in Lisbon and Porto? I’d love to connect with a few people who moved from US. Thanks.
Nice. If you'd like us to recommend a few, just shoot us an email at contact@expatseverywhere.com and we'll introduce you to a couple in each city. We have a meetup on November 10th in Porto. - Josh & Kalie
It totally depends on the place. To say "Portugal walls have no sound proofing" isn't fair. Some places are good and others are bad. One thing you've got to watch out for is if the apartment's subfloor is only wood or if it has cement/concrete. We've been in plenty of airbnbs that you can hear footsteps all the time as people walk on the floor above. - Josh & Kalie
Hi, yes we did. We used Wise to fund our bank account when we finally got that set up in Portugal and we also used Wise to pay for rent and do some ATM withdraws because our bank was killing us with fees. Here's the vlog. ruclips.net/video/2ALuA9zWBFc/видео.html Thanks for asking.- Josh & Kalie
Doesn’t house 2 also qualify for the golden visa because it is a historic home? I think the price for a golden visa when investing in historic properties is €350,000.
It's true but there are also a lot of people that want to live in walking distance to the city center or the metro at the least maybe because they don't want to owe a car abroad. - Josh & Kalie
@@galeiras That's true. We would be curious to see if expats are interested in being in "Porto" but not the city center. The ones we kind that don't care about cities like Porto and Lisbon tend to go homesteading in the countryside.
There are much cheaper places throughout Portugal. Rightmove has many ready to move in houses/apartments under 100 thousand . Small Towns have even better deals. I'll sell my Families house 3 floors, 5b/1b, DR, and first floor with business possibility, as my Parents used for Tailor Shop and small Store, back in early 70's. 5 small Bedrooms of coarse, Bath was updated 1980's and so was the 2nd FL Kitchen. 1st FL Kitchen is original and still has old stove. Has 2 varandas facing main street and one Fireplace. Also very thick walls, I believe Limestone. 40k.
Yes I agree. Kind of felt like they were showing these homes because they are making some kind of commission. Americans think these prices are cheap because of the american market. This is Europe. Salaries are a lot less which makes homes a lot less.
We shot these three because they were at 3 pretty varied price points for being 2 bedrooms. You're not finding T2s in Porto that have been renovated under €100k. You can find them in some smaller cities and town. - Josh & Kalie
You are calling these "Houses" but aren't they apartments? I would be looking for an actual house, even if it is further out to the countryside. Please tell me there are actual houses available or a link to a realtor. Thanks I love the videos of Portugal and apartment prices.
😅 There are actual houses. We'll show you more of those in our Neighborhoods of Porto series and some content coming up. This was our first ever episode of Property Hunt Portugal and we started with two bedroom apartments. Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
While the view is great of the river. Personally I did not like it as it has not the ambiance and old world charm. This apartment could have been anywhere.But it was great to see what is out there.
We are thinking of visiting Portugal next year and possibly relocate in three years. Would you advise rental properties versus purchase properties? Will have to research Golden visa
Hi Kara, the GV for the cities and the coast ends 2021. Our advise is that there is a lot of nuance to your question and there's not really a one size fits all answer. If you'd like to discuss this more. You can email me at contact@expatseverywhere.com so I can know more about your situation and desires. - Josh
Great video with interesting variations on what is available. We are wondering whether you could do a similar style video on rentals in Porto. We will need to rent when we first arrive in Porto as I am sure many people will. We, in fact, will need a furnished rental. We are curious as to what is available for newly arrived renters. Just an idea. . . Thank you.
Hey, Caleb. Good to hear from you again. We're working on a rental episode. End of the year stuff is slowing stuff down but we're working with a property management company to show us some places for rent that have 3 different price points to give "us" an indication of what's available. Then, the plan is to go to Lisbon and do the same thing. It's all in the works. We're working hard to pull it off. Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
Hello, Thanks for the video. Would you mind add price in the beginning of the apartment overview? I don't always watch video and it will be helpful to know where to look for a price
Hi Matt, you're welcome. Sorry, we can't really do that as it would really hurt the video's performance and reach less people with the way the RUclips algorithm works. For example, if you click on a video and exit the video in the first 20 seconds let's say, that sends signals to YT that the video you just "watched" isn't very good because it didn't hold your attention. YT will then show less people the thumbnail of that video. So our advice for looking at prices would be to use real estate sites if that's all you're interested in. You can check out websites like www.idealista.pt/en/ www.zome.pt/ www.realestateboutique.pt/ www.predibisa.com/ Hope that explains why we can't do that. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Jamie, thanks for the comment. We're working on filming a rental episode in Porto too. We also have the intention to go to Lisbon as well as a location or two in the south and possible Braga further north. Currently, Covid-19 is a consistent challenge. - Josh & Kalie
Which apartment? We showed the closets and T2 means two bedrooms with a window. All these properties had 2 sleeping areas the second property had 2 and one other room that could be a bedroom but it would have been small. - Josh & Kalie
When I was in Mumbai, I had visited dozens of apartments before finding d right one, at least that was what I thought, n decent apartment were very costly.
Great question! Leasehold doesn't exist here but there is something called horizontal freehold having to do with how much of the apartment block you actually own. Thanks for the question. - Josh & Kalie
😅 We played a game with the audience on the Premiere. It was a lot of fun. Just curious, why did you want to know the price before you saw the places? - Josh & Kalie
That's a really tricky question. Idealista.pt has a ton of listings but they're just a spot where companies post and it's a bit of a free for all. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Robert, would you like us to put you in contact with a few agents we know that could give you much more accurate and updated data? Needless to say, Lisbon is anywhere from 20-40% more expensive than Porto on real estate from what we've seen. Higher end real estate can really soar! - Josh & Kalie
Finding d right apartments n place to stay is always time consuming. Priorities jumbled up between budget, location, transport station, grocery stores n neighborhood.
Hi very nice video..you guys are rocking.. a query can you get something nice with 100 k? in cash is it possible to negotiate? some suggestions around area where to look would be nice..
Thank you! We appreciate that. €100k cash to buy something in Porto? That amount would be an awesome down payment on a great place leaving you with a small mortgage or it's possible to purchase something smaller and not done up that's close to the city center. If you get a little further out of the city center, you could as well. Email us at info@expatseverywhere.com and we'll get you more info if you'd like. - Josh & Kalie
A quick question Josh. When you made your travel arrangements, which site did you use to get the best fare. Thanks in advance. Stay safe and God bless you all.
We always tend to fair well with Skyscanner as a starting point for our flight search. Sometimes that will lead us to the actual airline website where we can change our dates and such to find the best deals. Since we’ve traveled so much over the past 11-12 years, we kind of recognize the patterns of what the cheapest or best option is and how we can get better by altering something in our search. Thank you for the question. You stay safe as well and God bless you too. - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ok, great. My tennis partner can help you with houses here if you want to buy? I also know some houses around Albufeira and Silves in Algarve. The prices vary a lot, starting from less than 100k euros up to several millions. I know one nice house in great greeny condominium here and the price is 560k.
@@odisseiaetc3909 nice 👍 Thanks for the thought. We can’t travel right now but if and when we need the contact, we might just be reaching out. 😃 - Josh & Kalie
Apt 3 the bathroom sinks, no storage underneath totally nonfunctional. Where does one put hair dryer, on the floor? Deal breaker for me. Great video guys! Yes Golden Visa much more difficult now and Porto and Lisbon area not anymore eligible for GV.
Good point! Thanks for the compliment on the video. It was a beast to edit and we've got a rental one coming up that we're still working on 😅 Yikes! - Josh & Kalie
What kind of service are you looking for? We aren't immigration lawyers but we have recommendations. We did this process DIY as much as the process will allow. If you have any deeper questions or want to see where we can help you, please email us at expatseverywhere@gmail.com and we'll do our very best. - Josh & Kalie
No bathtubs in neither properties?! Even in yours! In my rental too! What's up with that! My rental apt. in Alcobaca is a T3 at $700 Euros. Too much for this area. Average I'd estimate at $550 Euros. At that time was the only one to match my basic my requirements: A garage and an elevator. I also live in the 5th floor
Interesting answer to my comment!!! I believe in the US, especially the ladies, love to bathe in bathtubs surrounded by candles and the like or not?!!! I prefer the showers to bathtubs! :)
I'm speechless from the Portuguese standard cost of living point of view... Depressing. Porto is losing its magic, with the more and more loss of its local inhabitants
Is that what you gathered from the video? Porto certainly hasn't lost its magic as far as we're concerned. It's changed from the first times we visited 10 years ago, but it's still magic. - Josh & Kalie
Totally agree with you . Iam from the Netherlands and live in Portugal since 2005. My income is a of a Portuguese standard This prices are outrageous. I feel sorry for the Portuguese who need to buy a house. Fortunately I am now in a small village. Moved from our farm near the Serra da estrela region to central PT 3 years ago and could buy an old still affordable house. Iam also totally integrated in our village and do speak Portuguese, which for me was a must to learn. My interaction with my mainly Portuguese neighbours is fabulous. So hopefully this crazy house prices and will stop and vet back to normal again.
Yes, but compared to the US for example, it's really low. The 3rd was the highest at €100/month but that included the gym and a few other facilities that a lot of buildings don't have. We've seen a lot of properties that have fees between €20-60 per month. - Josh & Kalie
@@stevon7969 you’re welcome. It’s our pleasure. When we can reply, we try to do it and do our best. Sometimes we miss the comments as in we don’t get a notification or they get caught in spam. 🤷♂️ 🤷♀️ Thank you for the compliment about Cia. She’s growing up in these videos 😊- Josh & Kalie
I was not thinking cost, I was thinking rent. Do you want to show some rentals? I loved the 1st two more than house #3. It felt a little stuffy to me, especially the guy that was the private broker. Yikes...;-) But, I have to admit...killer view. I would rater have hose #1 or #2. What do you think those would rent for. I like being in the City, like your place. How about some industrial spaces for Artists, builders, and entrepreneurs? (Like me!) ;-) Keep it up, that was a fun video.
Thanks for the comment, Rich. We're working on a rental episode. To be honest, we're 100% baffled by the rental market here. It seems a lot of the "nice" places are for short or medium term rentals. There's a lot of stuff being fixed up by expats/for expats or investors and those aren't typically going to the general public for long term rents so it's really hard to say how much the rents would be at those 3 places. Just making assumptions based on what we've seen and know...#1 would be €750-950, #2 1000-15000, and #3 €2500 (depending on how nicely all are furnished it is). We really have no idea. We'll speak to a realtor friend and edit this message accordingly. - Josh & Kalie Edit- Just heard back from the realtor #1 €700 #2 €1000 #3 €2,000-2,500 These are just what the realtor said they would go for in the market. If anyone is interested in knowing more, email us and we’ll put you in touch with the right people. expatseverywhere@gmail.com
A lot of houses were used for tourism ( Airbnb, etc) which bumped up the prices. Since it might take a while for the tourism to recoup I definitely can see some of those houses being put into the market, either for rental or sell.
I love your videos! FYI I just read the tax law in Portugal is changing in regard to pensioner income: now 0% going up to 10%. I believe the first ten years tax free allowance is still effective.
Thanks! We appreciate it. We’ve actually interviewed someone today a bit about taxes. We hope to bring more info for pensioners in video format. - Josh & Kalie
I would but, first, I already have an apartment in Portugal, second, I don’t have half a million € 😇😂 ... btw, it looks like the main change to the golden visa is that the investment must be done outside Lisboa and Porto. I live in Between Braga and Geneva, of you need any info about Braga... just ask 🥳☺️
@@TomBarman 😁 Fair enough. With the Golden Visa, yes that's what it seems it'll be. We'll definitely keep you in mind about Braga when we're able to make our way up there. We're certainly hoping to do property tours up there at some point. Maybe when it's warmer 😉 - Josh & Kalie
Hi, thank you for all the good videos. Please help us with this question. We are an American citizen family of 3. Right now stuck in Albania and want to move to Portugal 🇵🇹 is there any way we can apply for a visa from here or we have to go to the United States first? Thank you.
Great question. Have you looked to see if VFS Global is linked to Portugal through Albania? Meaning does the Portuguese Embassy in Albania use VFS Global to process the visa applications initially? If yes, contact them. If now, you might just try to go straight through the Embassy there. Sometime, you can process your paperwork outside of your home country. It’s not common though. - Josh & Kalie
Okay, are a quick search, no VFS for Albania to Portugal. No Portuguese Embassy in Albania, they use the one in Rome for diplomatic relations with Albania. www.ambasadat.gov.al/portugal/en/portugal-albania Two options, go through this website, contact someone there to ask or you will indeed need to go through the US to get your visa for Portugal 🇵🇹. Wait! 3rd options which is not DIY, contact an immigration lawyer to do the paperwork for you! - Josh & Kalie
Absolutely and we see how they get up and down the stairs. 😁 Many people in the US for example, which is our general audience look for ranch-style homes to avoid going up and down stairs so in a way our comment is cultural. - Josh & Kalie
Great video, but everyone needs to continue wearing a mask indoors as well. This is how we are letting our guard down. You have a video on the pros of the Portuguese government and their mandates, so remember the mask, I live here too and it's an amazing country. We all need to do our part to stay healthy. Fyi....was recently in a similar situation and I and my spouse kept our masks on, found out a week later everyone else contracted covid.
Let us know how many properties you guessed correctly and which was your favorite!
@Raul Pilling-Riefkohl House #2 it is then. We don't remember well if the bonus property that we showed earlier today and on IG had an office space but it was a 2 bedroom unit and had a brilliant open kitchen that had a massive set of sliders that could parcel off the kitchen if necessary. Let us know if you're interested and we'll get you in touch with the realtor for that one. - Josh & Kalie
The last one, well close I thought it was for 500,000 euros.
Hi, you just toured our house in Porto (House #2) thank you so much for an amazing review and such a great vlog.
Thank you, Helder! We had an awesome timing filming in there. You shouldn’t have any problem selling it. The video will be live on Sunday and we can’t wait to hear the feedback from the audience.
We appreciate your message and are humbled. - Josh & Kalie
Very cool of you to thank them. I look forward to seeing your house! Cheers from Alaska.
Helder, do you mind sharing who you have used for contractor and architect with me? About to embark on a Reno in Porto myself.
Welcome to Portugal and to Porto! I love your videos. I lived in london 8 years and i loved living there, in a big european city and feeling the lifestyle of a cosmopolitan city. I lived all my life in a city close to Porto in a rural area, 25 minutes drive from Porto. the same distance to the airport and beaches. I love Porto but at the moment I find the price of renting and selling houses far above the price due to a tourism boom! For those who do not mind, or like to live in a more rural environment but with great access by car or train to Porto, buying land and building your dream home from scratch, can cost much less than buy an old house in the city of Porto. it all depends on whether you prefer the lifestyle of a big city or live in a quieter place a short distance from Porto and build your own house project at a significantly lower price. welcome all to Porto and Portugal ☺️
You're exactly right. We're hoping when these restrictions ease, we can shoot a wider variety of properties to show people what's available. - Josh & Kalie
I think the average annual salary in Portugal is 33,000 Euros. I don't know that the average citizen can afford any of these. Are they over-priced to gouge the Expats? That sounds snarky, but I just don't get it. What do you two think of the prices?
Yes you are right. Owners take advantage of the situation.
Yes you are right and 33.000 something is already a very high salary in Portugal
Sweet! Porto is my main target, and T2 is the size I desire. Part of what I am finding challenging about Portugal and where to live is that there are so many seemingly desirable places in the country to settle. I really like northern Portugal, but I can certainly see the draw of living in the Algarve. And then there’s Lisbon. It all looks so tasty.
It all is so tasty!! See you tomorrow. 🙌 🥳
26 months ago but prices are just slightly higher.
The issue for those without Schengen Visa is we can only stay 3 months at the longest.
Many places €500 to €800
A few 400
I bet those properties now would sell for double the price. Prices are ridiculous. As a Portuguese living abroad I find this very sad for Portuguese people living with Portuguese salaries. The bubble really have to blow up and international buyers need to be monitored. Horrible panorama. The country is buying bought by foreigners. Deplorable
So fun to watch! Would love to see this type of video with rentals for sure. Thanks so much for all your videos!
Thank you, Pam. More to come! We're editing a rental episode now. It's just so much footage and we're so not pros at this! 😂 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere yay! Cant wait!!
Yes looking forward rentals also ... traditional but functional too ... a good base for exploring all that Portugal has to offer so central areas I guess ...
@@irisotobor2947 hi, we’ve already posted the rental one. We also just posted a fantasy one of us as we got invited to check out some €1,000,000+ heritage properties.
@@ExpatsEverywhere oh thanks for letting me know ... I need to search for that one then as we shall be arriving as SOON as Boris opens the door and will need somewhere to stay 😂😉🤞
That third property with the views! :-) WOW! Kalie I totally understand the reference "lip" and it being nonnegotiable!
I just clicked on this and enjoyed the whole thing. For the price I would choose the first apartment with the crazy stairs. It had a cool old world feel and was close to entertainment.
Thank you, Mark. We're working on a rental episode right now. We appreciate the comment. So you like the open, loft feel? - Josh & Kalie
I agree about the narrow stairs in apt. #1. I am a senior citizen in good health and wouldn't have any problem with stairs at the moment. But a purchase is long term and I wouldn't want to be stuck in a place with narrow, steep stairs in case I might have difficulty with them in the future. Also, I don't think multiple levels make sense in a small dwelling. It would make cleaning a chore. Can you imagine going up and down stairs to clean a small space, not to mention you have to clean the stairs, as well.
I see in your videos you were living in Orlando, Fl. My wife and I met in Orlando. We started in Kissimme, then to Orlando. Our last home was in Waterford lakes.
That's awesome, Luis. Kalie's folks were in Longwood/Lake Mary and we were staying with them when covid hit. Covid really messed up our international living/travel plans but finally, here we are. Orlando and the surrounding area is nice. We make MCO our home airport.
Thought they were all over priced. I was expecting a discount compared to Lisbon.
Yea, we went with 3 different price points but when we can get out and view houses again, we'll take a look at ones in the same price range. Any price range and size that you're interested in? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere would love to see more apartments with a view! Is price the only reason we don't see many great apartments with a river view, closer to the city? Maybe in/around Ribeira? :)
@@playlists2196 price and availability.
Beautiful properties, especially #3 but too pricey. Can you make videos of affordable properties?
What's affordable? One of the reasons we decided to do 3 different price points for the first episode was the show a spectrum. What would be considered affordably priced? Also, we're about to editing on a rental episode and then we'll go back to houses to buy so we'll be looking out for your input here. - Josh & Kalie
Affordable to many people would be under $150,000
I lived in Rua da Boavista for 10 years! Bought it in 2010 and when I left in 2019 the prices in the area had doubled!
One of the best streets of Porto; very close to downtown and subway.
Thanks for this wonderful video. All d three apartments in Porto looked wonderful. All have beautiful views, d 3rd, great view.
Thanks for watching and all of the comments. - Josh & Kalie
Gosh, it is fun to see different spaces. Wondering about heating? Porto is very humid and chilly in winter. Personally, all of the stairs will become very much a pain carrying up groceries and coming and going day in and day out.
Fantastic comment, Jody. Having new heating units in construction done post-2005 from what we know is very important because around that time there were new regulations put in place on building standards.
The baby stroller with stairs is the biggest pain. For us just walking up and down the stairs without carrying anything, it's okay but we certainly agree with you. - Josh & Kalie
I couldn't control myself and skipped for the prices! Great vid 👍
😁 We get it, Grant. Thanks for watching what you did. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere The whole video was great thanks : ) I enjoyed it all...just cheated a little bit by checking the prices before I got to the end lol : )
Thanks for this video guys, we are looking to live beside Foz/Ald but th2 view of no3 is amazing!
Our pleasure! Thank you so much for watching and commenting. The view of #3 was 😍 and we couldn't really do it justice in the video. What do you think about the price? €550k too high, about right, or where do I sign? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere yes too rich for my blood. We are going to rent for a year or more and tbh we will over pay because location and being comfortable in your living space is the key to a positive international move. We can do somewhere between 2000 and 2500 p/m.
@@RecruiterStartupPodcast Same for us! 😂 Wow, we thought that we were overpaying at €900/month. €2000-2500/month will get you something spectacular in Porto! Let us know if you want us to connect you to either PM company that we're going to work with for future episodes. They work with higher end properties. - Josh & Kalie
Hi Josh and Kalie, My Daughter and I are planning a two week trip to Portugal this January (2023). We're considering renting a van to get around. I'd like to consult with you about setting up the best itinerary to meet our needs. Glad to pay you by the hour for your help. Reply per your interest in this. Thanks. -John
Hi John, your trip sounds great! Kalie does paid consultations. Her Calendly is here. 😁 calendly.com/expatseverywhere - Josh & Kalie
Very interesting even though we're personally more interested in a house with land enough for some fruit trees, garden, pets, etc, for retirement. Location - somewhere near the water between Porto and Lisbon (but closer to Lisbon). With these 'apartments' (aka condo here in the U.S.), are there no HOA monthly fees?
Thanks, Nesit. We would be shooting this more if it wasn’t for the pandemic and how it’s changed regulations here. We do have another episode in edit but we can’t travel around right now to film more 😢
Yes, there are building maintenance and amenities fees but they seem minimal compared to the US. - Josh & Kalie
hey guys! Thanks so much for selecting 3 apartments in varied price ranges, locations and aesthetic. All 3 apartments look great, especially the 3rd one. Didn't you guys feel there was a tremendous amount of road noise on the balcony of the 3rd?
You're very welcome. These videos in particular are a lot of work but a lot of fun too. We like to do them but we're slow to get them out. 😂 There wasn't much traffic below at all in the 3rd to have any serious noise pollution. - Josh & Kalie
Porto is a beautiful city (in the summer), however it rains almost every day in the winter and it gets cold and flooding too
Hi Sophie, flooding in the city is super rare. The flood that happened last week was speculatively due to effects of the construction in that part of the city. 3 months out of the year or so it's gray and rainy but the other 9 are great. - Josh & Kalie
Hello there.....really enjoying your videos (learned about your channel from Amelia and JP channel.........visited Lisbon at end of 2019 and just loved it there.........seriously considering a move to Portugal when I retire (turning 66 this year)..........thanks so much for post, and i'll be a regular visitor to your channel. Wayne
Hi, Wayne! Thanks for reaching out. We're glad that you found us. Portugal seems to be a hot place for retirement. We see people moving to some of the smaller town around Portugal with a slow pace of life and lower cost of living. We have a rental episode that we're working on. At the moment, we can't film anything else due to the lockdown restrictions, but once it passes, we're planning to get back out and film more. We hope you stay in touch. - Josh & Kalie
This was awesome content, please keep in coming. BTW, I like your choice of music.
Thank you, Todd. We hope to see you again and we certainly plan on doing more of these. Thank you for your compliment on the music if you want the contact info of where we got the tracks, let us know. - Josh & Kalie
I don't know if you already bought a house or not.
Unfortunately the prices of houses in Porto are very inflated.
Of these 3 houses, I personally liked the last one, but the price, my God.
Often, in the cities near Porto, you can already buy houses with "slightly more realistic prices" (except with a view of the Douro River, it is a spectacular view. There are always small towns and villages close to the river, but they do not have transport with ease, etc.).
You can always "take a look" at cities like:
- Rio Tinto, +/- 20 minutes by bus (depending on the stop where the trip starts) to Porto and there are several, +/- 10 minutes by train and +/- 15 minutes by Metro (depending on where the trip starts) );
-Ermesinde, +/- 15 minutes by train, +/- 35 minutes by bus and there are several direct ones, Ermesinde has no metro;
-Aguas Santas, depending on the area, you can take a train, 10 minutes to Porto. Buses, depending on the area, there are areas where direct buses run to Porto, +/- 25 minutes and there are areas where it may be necessary to take 2 buses;
-Pedrouços, there is no train. At the bus level, I know that there are areas where buses pass, but I am not aware of the times and how many buses is necessary to take;
-Maia (center), has Metro and bus. The number 600 makes the direct connection to Porto takes +/- 35 minutes.
-Valongo (Centro), has buses, +/- 50 minutes. Train +/- 25 minutes.
-Vila nova de Gaia (center, in the area of El Corte Ingles), Metro +/- 10 minutes, several buses and train, +/- 5 minutes.
All the cities I mentioned, (Águas Santas depending on the area), have schools, supermarkets, etc.
These are some suggestions from cities close to Porto.
Just an opinion, don't choose apartments without an elevator.
And one more thing, if you buy, I do not know if you have already bought, usually the apartments have "Condominium", which serves, for example, to make the necessary maintenance to common areas of the building, such as the elevator for example. And then "a fee" is stipulated to be paid monthly by all the tenants.
I live in Ermesinde, one of the suggestions I mentioned above. :P
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Thanks for all the information, Pedro. We haven't bought yet. We're also doing this to show our viewers what they could get in different places at different price points. - Josh & Kalie
NEVER MIND! I'll just live on my boat, ha ha! Loved the video! The views and culture is what I like more than the apartments..
Thanks! Same with us. - Josh & Kalie
The no doors concept is really new trend of architecture. None of those 3 are traditional of course. And be careful with the renovations on old buildings, in these last years many were made really fast for airbnbs and they masked serious problems. All these prices are really inflated. I would recommend to check a bit by yourselves on websites like olx, imovirtual and idealista.
Have you already invested in an apartment?
No, no. We haven't invested. Not sure how much you keep an eye on the market here, but during Covid it was one of the major real estate markets in Portugal to actually go up! It's up around 10%. But yes, it's inflated for sure. Many recent buyers we've heard from say that you should be able to get 10-15% off asking price. - Josh & Kalie
Yes I agree. I am quite scared to buy and regret it since many constructions are eeally bad or big energy wasters...
I was close. I guessed 150, 300, and 500. That last one!!!! YO!!! That view!!! Not gonna lie, screenshot that and made it a screensaver!!! I'm digging this type of video, guys! Just gets me more hyped about moving!! Maybe, by the time we are ready to roll that third one will be available to rent...teehee. Keep doing what you do! You have no idea how much your videos help me to keep my eye on the prize! I have a trilogy of RUclipsrs I watch for my Portugal fix and you guys are in it!! Thank you so much!
Hey, Angelia! First and foremost, we're humbled to be in that trilogy. Thank you 🙏
Loving the energy here in the comment. Your guesses weren't too far off. We'll make a deal with you...next time that we're in a property with a view like that, we'll take a photo for you so you don't have to use a screenshot. Cool? 😉 Thanks for the support for this type of video. We know that we made mistakes during production but it was a big undertaking and our first ever time shooting something like this at all so we will correct those mistakes next time and I'm sure find other mistakes that'll need to be fixed in the 3rd one. 😂 Keep your eye on the prize and let us know how we can help. - Josh & Kalie
Such a cute couple! Thank you. This is another very helpful yet interesting episode 😍
Aww 🥰Thank you. We're really glad you found the episode both helpful and interesting. That's exactly what we're going for. This was a great experience and we hope to make improvements for the next one. - Josh & Kalie
For a real good deal and better quality life, move away from the big cities centre, for example, near Lisbon (more or less 40km away) you have detached houses with your own private pool for the same amount of money of apartment 2. In small towns you have the same amenities but with a much better life quality.
Thanks for sharing! - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for sharing your experience on property hunting. Can you please share if a property is paid off do you have to keep paying property taxes like in the USA? Also, for condominium properties, is there an HOA fee involved?
Thank you for making this video so we can take a peep at Porto while we are missing this city. We also got hold of an apartment in Matosinhos a couple of years ago, planning to apply for D7 in the end of next year. Hope more people can come to this great place.
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment about your story. We hope you subscribe and follow this journey with us. Let us know if there's something in particular you're missing and we'll try to shoot it. - Josh & Kalie
Great Video! I am a year late, but there is Two things I am wondering about buying an apartment there: #1: Is there HOA fees for maintenance every month? If so, how much? And #2: What are the taxes like over there? Is it one flat tax or a mix of different taxes? Thanks for any info!
Thank you. Don't worry better late than never as far as we're concerned. 1. Yes, generally under €50 for condo fees. 2. What kind of tax are we talking? Property or income? Property is a percentage and we believe it's by category of the property value. Income is a tier graduated income tax. - Josh & Kalie
Loving these vids guys….hoping to take an apartment in Porto in four months! Let’s stay in touch….Montreal here!
Thank you for the love, Sharon! - Josh & Kalie
Hi guys, love your video. Would you mind sharing real estate info? Like to know in general if there is property tax and how much, is there HOA fees and how much?
Hi, Arben. Thanks for the love. Email us at info@expatseverywhere.com for realtor info. As far as property tax, we could try to get that covered in a future episode. HOA fees are lower than in the US for sure but they vary from place to place for sure. We've seen them super low like €15/month and others for €100+ with great benefits like a private gym with a sauna like the one in this episode. - Josh & Kalie
Glad I bumped into your vlog! 🤗
Thank you.
Thanks for leaving us a comment too. We have another Property Hunt Portugal episode in the works. This time it'll be rentals. If you're curious about moving and living in Portugal, we've got you covered. It's our goal to inform, entertain, and inspire. If we can do all 3 in one video, we've hit a homerun 😁. We try to make sure we hit 2 of the 3 in every video. - Josh & Kalie
That's cheap. Some public housing in Singapore already cost 700-800k euros
In that perspective, you're 100% right! How much is an apartment at the Pinnacle again? Surely someone could get 2 nice properties in Portugal for that. But the Pinnacle is amazing 🤩 - Josh & Kalie
I like house no 1 but it’s doesn’t look family friendly. The finishes look great but house no 2 looks much better in terms of space. Love the kitchen island in house #2 and love the toilets in house #3. The building (house #3) looks bland but nice interior. Feels like it’s on the other side of Porto. Great share guys
Nah, it’s not one for kids for sure. At least we don’t think so. Short term rental definitely. That patio area is top notch and could be really well utilized 8-9 months out of the year.
We agree with you about 2. It’s honestly the most American style of all but it’s no surprise with an American couple being the clients it was made for. #3 was like the most incredible hotel room you can have. We could only imagine it with amazing furniture and artwork on the walls.
We love reading your take on it. Thanks for comment! We hope to have several more of these types of episodes. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere No worries. Thanks for replying. It’s nice to see some home tours in Porto to get a sense what apartments and houses are like there. I’ve just relocated to Lisbon and one thing I noticed there are a lot of Americans or American accents here. I’m wondering what attracts them to this city/country. Yeah, no 2 reminds me so much of House Hunters International in some way. 😅 Take care and stay safe guys 👍🏻
@@WeaveTheStory How’s everything there for you?
Our guess is that it’s a capital city so conceivably that’s where the jobs are. From the people reaching out to us, it’s a pretty good spread of places that people are wanting to go. From Braga to the Algarve. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere It felt pretty grim for me initially as I came from a Covid free zone into a Covid hotspot. Plus the weather didn't help either. But I'm slowly settling in and getting things started. Yeah, I was kinda surprised in a way I hear so many American accents everywhere I go so there must be something attractive about the country. Stay well and stay safe guys!
@@WeaveTheStory So true. Same for us. Thank you. You stay well too! Let's keep connecting. This is great. - Josh & Kalie
We're in the market! Keep these Real Estate Videos coming! I would imagine you guys could make some sweet commissions filming these available homes, too! Beautiful Family by the way!
Thank you, Cheryl. We're finding it difficult to film right now because of the regulations, however, we do have stuff that we've already filmed that we'll be releasing soon. Kalie and I like real estate. We're real estate investors in the US so it's something that interests us and it's fun to make this content. When the restrictions lessen, we'll get back out and shoot more in different places with different sizes of properties. Thanks again for the support. - Josh & Kalie
Keep up the amazing work👏
Thank you! Will do! - Josh & Kalie
Now we really want to visit Porto!
Let’s go!! 😊
Btw, Ecuador is on our list to visit too. Visited 80+ countries and we haven’t been to Ecuador 🇪🇨
Ola Josh, Kalie, Valencia and Pincho. My wife and I are enjoying all your videos. We are considering moving to Portugal in a few years for retirement. My wife likes the beach so it is the Algarve for us. We have a trip scheduled for May of next year, if possible with all that is going on. We are considering Vila Real Santo Antonio, Tavira, Loule and Carvoeiro. All you information has been so helpful for when we need to move forward with our move. Thank you so very much for doing all this work and posting. We are looking forward to all your future videos. Obrigado and Ate logo =)
That’s so very kind of you, Luis. We really do wish you well in your approaching retirement. Please do let us know if you need anything from us in the future. We’ll be glad to help if we can. The south seems great for retirement! Thanks for the support. I’ll send your love to the whole family. - Josh & Kalie
Great episode. Would love to see more house hunting. I didn’t know if you were looking for a rental or home sale at first.
Thanks, Minh Tran. We just enjoy real estate and we know several viewers do too so we contacted a few agencies so we can get into shoot some homes. We're going to try to do a rentals episode next, but we're waiting to hear back from the property management company. In reality, we'd like to do a couple more here in Porto and then maybe 2 episodes like this in Lisbon and other places. With covid right now, traveling isn't the best idea or easiest. - Josh & Kalie
Honestly, they all seemed fairly priced for an appartment in Porto, given the condition they were in. The last one was just a dream, and the 2nd seemed a touch overpriced. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the input, Ivo. This one was so much fun for us so we hope to do some more home tours. Are you based in Lisbon? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Near Porto :)
@@ivosilva2796 that’s right! Couldn’t remember. Sorry, it’s been a long day. 😆 - Josh
Hi, I’m heading to Portugal end of this month to investigate whether to purchase a property in Lisbon or Porto. Can anyone recommend a couple of good real estate agents in each city? Also when are the expat gatherings in Lisbon and Porto? I’d love to connect with a few people who moved from US. Thanks.
Nice. If you'd like us to recommend a few, just shoot us an email at contact@expatseverywhere.com and we'll introduce you to a couple in each city. We have a meetup on November 10th in Porto. - Josh & Kalie
But what about Noise? From the neighbors above or beside your apartment? I heard Portugal walls have no noise proof.
It totally depends on the place. To say "Portugal walls have no sound proofing" isn't fair. Some places are good and others are bad. One thing you've got to watch out for is if the apartment's subfloor is only wood or if it has cement/concrete. We've been in plenty of airbnbs that you can hear footsteps all the time as people walk on the floor above. - Josh & Kalie
For 550k you can get a luxury house with private pool, I don’t think that apartment is worth all that, only the view is epic.
Agreed. Some people are into that though. Apparently, a lot of those units have been sold - Josh & Kalie
Hey Kalie and Josh... Ron from Seattle here...looking forward to this
Thanks for watching, Ron!
I see you mention Transferwise in your comments. Have you done a clog discussing how to use that service? Obrigada!
Hi, yes we did. We used Wise to fund our bank account when we finally got that set up in Portugal and we also used Wise to pay for rent and do some ATM withdraws because our bank was killing us with fees. Here's the vlog. ruclips.net/video/2ALuA9zWBFc/видео.html
Thanks for asking.- Josh & Kalie
Doesn’t house 2 also qualify for the golden visa because it is a historic home? I think the price for a golden visa when investing in historic properties is €350,000.
Those prices are OUT TO LUNCH for those properties.
Not in Porto. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
go out 10 or 15kms off the center and you will buy a house with a garden for the childrens play!
It's true but there are also a lot of people that want to live in walking distance to the city center or the metro at the least maybe because they don't want to owe a car abroad. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere if you go to Rio Tinto/Gaia/Vila do Conde you have metro. Here everything is very near. ;-)
@@galeiras That's true. We would be curious to see if expats are interested in being in "Porto" but not the city center. The ones we kind that don't care about cities like Porto and Lisbon tend to go homesteading in the countryside.
@Ricardo Galeiras - So how much would a 2 or 3 bed house cost in the locations you mentioned?
@@afbraganza in this moment 220 or 230 you can buy a independent house! If you want a apartment you can buy one for 125/130 with 2 bedrooms! New
There are much cheaper places throughout Portugal. Rightmove has many ready to move in houses/apartments under 100 thousand . Small Towns have even better deals. I'll sell my Families house 3 floors, 5b/1b, DR, and first floor with business possibility, as my Parents used for Tailor Shop and small Store, back in early 70's. 5 small Bedrooms of coarse, Bath was updated 1980's and so was the 2nd FL Kitchen. 1st FL Kitchen is original and still has old stove. Has 2 varandas facing main street and one Fireplace. Also very thick walls, I believe Limestone. 40k.
Yes I agree. Kind of felt like they were showing these homes because they are making some kind of commission. Americans think these prices are cheap because of the american market. This is Europe. Salaries are a lot less which makes homes a lot less.
We shot these three because they were at 3 pretty varied price points for being 2 bedrooms. You're not finding T2s in Porto that have been renovated under €100k. You can find them in some smaller cities and town. - Josh & Kalie
You are calling these "Houses" but aren't they apartments? I would be looking for an actual house, even if it is further out to the countryside. Please tell me there are actual houses available or a link to a realtor. Thanks I love the videos of Portugal and apartment prices.
😅 There are actual houses. We'll show you more of those in our Neighborhoods of Porto series and some content coming up. This was our first ever episode of Property Hunt Portugal and we started with two bedroom apartments. Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
While the view is great of the river. Personally I did not like it as it has not the ambiance and old world charm. This apartment could have been anywhere.But it was great to see what is out there.
Very very very expressive
I didn't hear the price of all three apts that's what I was waiting to hear..I'm wanting to move to Portugal
The prices were revealed at the end. - Josh & Kalie
Way over priced for Porto...all of them. Obviously 'foreigners' prices'
We are thinking of visiting Portugal next year and possibly relocate in three years. Would you advise rental properties versus purchase properties? Will have to research Golden visa
Hi Kara, the GV for the cities and the coast ends 2021. Our advise is that there is a lot of nuance to your question and there's not really a one size fits all answer. If you'd like to discuss this more. You can email me at contact@expatseverywhere.com so I can know more about your situation and desires. - Josh
Are these prices for month or week?? Thank you!
These prices are for sale. Our rental episode is here. ruclips.net/video/WpPADC48bWo/видео.html
I got them ALL WRONG 😂 Didn't expect them to be so high honestly, literary 2x as high as my guesses & 'm from London!!!
Great video with interesting variations on what is available. We are wondering whether you could do a similar style video on rentals in Porto. We will need to rent when we first arrive in Porto as I am sure many people will. We, in fact, will need a furnished rental. We are curious as to what is available for newly arrived renters. Just an idea. . . Thank you.
Hey, Caleb. Good to hear from you again. We're working on a rental episode. End of the year stuff is slowing stuff down but we're working with a property management company to show us some places for rent that have 3 different price points to give "us" an indication of what's available. Then, the plan is to go to Lisbon and do the same thing. It's all in the works. We're working hard to pull it off. Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you!
@@calebben-avram4410 you’re very welcome. Thanks again for connecting! - Josh & Kalie
Hello,
Thanks for the video.
Would you mind add price in the beginning of the apartment overview?
I don't always watch video and it will be helpful to know where to look for a price
Hi Matt, you're welcome.
Sorry, we can't really do that as it would really hurt the video's performance and reach less people with the way the RUclips algorithm works. For example, if you click on a video and exit the video in the first 20 seconds let's say, that sends signals to YT that the video you just "watched" isn't very good because it didn't hold your attention. YT will then show less people the thumbnail of that video. So our advice for looking at prices would be to use real estate sites if that's all you're interested in. You can check out websites like www.idealista.pt/en/ www.zome.pt/ www.realestateboutique.pt/ www.predibisa.com/
Hope that explains why we can't do that. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks a lot!
You are so helpful!
@@matthewmad2999 You're welcome. Glad that you find us helpful. Thanks for your sub! 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
Awesome info... Obrigado!!!
Thanks, Renny. We've got a rental episode filmed. Now onto the editing process. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
This was great, but would love to see rentals throughout the city.
Hi Jamie, thanks for the comment. We're working on filming a rental episode in Porto too. We also have the intention to go to Lisbon as well as a location or two in the south and possible Braga further north. Currently, Covid-19 is a consistent challenge. - Josh & Kalie
Not much info about square meters, # of bedrooms, i kept wanting to see the storage, if any?
Which apartment? We showed the closets and T2 means two bedrooms with a window. All these properties had 2 sleeping areas the second property had 2 and one other room that could be a bedroom but it would have been small. - Josh & Kalie
I was off by about 75k for all of them. Great video!!
Were you too high or too low? 😂
Thanks for watching and the support! - Josh & Kalie
Me too. Too low on 1, slightly lower on 2 and about right on 3
@@LorenzoPrimiterra not bad!
The third one is gorgeous!
It really is. We'd love to see it staged. What do you think about the price? - Josh & Kalie
Sometimes u found d right apartment to your preference but not at an ideal location n vice versa.
When I was in Mumbai, I had visited dozens of apartments before finding d right one, at least that was what I thought, n decent apartment were very costly.
Very true!
Are the apartments/houses in Portugal leasehold or freehold? In UK apartments are leased out for 100 years. Is there a similar concept in Portugal?
Great question! Leasehold doesn't exist here but there is something called horizontal freehold having to do with how much of the apartment block you actually own. Thanks for the question. - Josh & Kalie
I had to go to end to get prices and then go to beginning to watch. That's just how my old brain works.
😅 We played a game with the audience on the Premiere. It was a lot of fun. Just curious, why did you want to know the price before you saw the places? - Josh & Kalie
What's the best source for apt. rental listings in Portugal?
That's a really tricky question. Idealista.pt has a ton of listings but they're just a spot where companies post and it's a bit of a free for all. - Josh & Kalie
How much would a similar sized property in the historic area of Lisbon (like Apt#1) cost?
Hi Robert, would you like us to put you in contact with a few agents we know that could give you much more accurate and updated data? Needless to say, Lisbon is anywhere from 20-40% more expensive than Porto on real estate from what we've seen. Higher end real estate can really soar! - Josh & Kalie
Finding d right apartments n place to stay is always time consuming. Priorities jumbled up between budget, location, transport station, grocery stores n neighborhood.
Great thing about Porto is that it's so walkable. Nothing seems too far away.
Hi very nice video..you guys are rocking..
a query can you get something nice with 100 k? in cash is it possible to negotiate? some suggestions around area where to look would be nice..
Thank you! We appreciate that.
€100k cash to buy something in Porto? That amount would be an awesome down payment on a great place leaving you with a small mortgage or it's possible to purchase something smaller and not done up that's close to the city center. If you get a little further out of the city center, you could as well. Email us at info@expatseverywhere.com and we'll get you more info if you'd like. - Josh & Kalie
A quick question Josh. When you made your travel arrangements, which site did you use to get the best fare. Thanks in advance. Stay safe and God bless you all.
We always tend to fair well with Skyscanner as a starting point for our flight search. Sometimes that will lead us to the actual airline website where we can change our dates and such to find the best deals. Since we’ve traveled so much over the past 11-12 years, we kind of recognize the patterns of what the cheapest or best option is and how we can get better by altering something in our search.
Thank you for the question. You stay safe as well and God bless you too. - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you 😊
@@luisrivas3509 You’re very welcome. Have you ever used Skyscanner?
@@ExpatsEverywhere Not yet. Looking at it right now. :)
@@luisrivas3509 reach out if you need any help. 😊
Great! I love Algarve! Welcome to our channel.
Thank you! 😃 We need to make it down to the Algarve to do a little property hunting. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ok, great. My tennis partner can help you with houses here if you want to buy? I also know some houses around Albufeira and Silves in Algarve. The prices vary a lot, starting from less than 100k euros up to several millions. I know one nice house in great greeny condominium here and the price is 560k.
@@odisseiaetc3909 nice 👍 Thanks for the thought. We can’t travel right now but if and when we need the contact, we might just be reaching out. 😃 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ok our new friends. Where are you? We are in Algarve, Portugal. Stay all safe!
Apt 3 the bathroom sinks, no storage underneath totally nonfunctional. Where does one put hair dryer, on the floor? Deal breaker for me. Great video guys! Yes Golden Visa much more difficult now and Porto and Lisbon area not anymore eligible for GV.
Good point! Thanks for the compliment on the video. It was a beast to edit and we've got a rental one coming up that we're still working on 😅 Yikes! - Josh & Kalie
Portuguese don't really have any concept of staging...Many apartments don't even have a heater , elevator or washing machine.
18:32 the price, so is that for the whole apartment, or per year
Those were the purchase prices. - Josh & Kalie
Will you be providing services to help move from the states to Portugal?
I have just started following you and our move got put on hold due to Covid.
What kind of service are you looking for? We aren't immigration lawyers but we have recommendations. We did this process DIY as much as the process will allow. If you have any deeper questions or want to see where we can help you, please email us at expatseverywhere@gmail.com and we'll do our very best. - Josh & Kalie
No bathtubs in neither properties?! Even in yours! In my rental too! What's up with that! My rental apt. in Alcobaca is a T3 at $700 Euros. Too much for this area. Average I'd estimate at $550 Euros. At that time was the only one to match my basic my requirements: A garage and an elevator. I also live in the 5th floor
Thanks for the detail. Bathtubs appear to be a thing of the past although, they're great for kids 😁 - Josh & Kalie
Interesting answer to my comment!!! I believe in the US, especially the ladies, love to bathe in bathtubs surrounded by candles and the like or not?!!! I prefer the showers to bathtubs! :)
@@aldaldeia1509 our guess is people (women) would like to take more bathes than they actually do from a practicality standpoint. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
I'm speechless from the Portuguese standard cost of living point of view... Depressing. Porto is losing its magic, with the more and more loss of its local inhabitants
Is that what you gathered from the video? Porto certainly hasn't lost its magic as far as we're concerned. It's changed from the first times we visited 10 years ago, but it's still magic. - Josh & Kalie
Totally agree with you . Iam from the Netherlands and live in Portugal since 2005. My income is a of a Portuguese standard This prices are outrageous. I feel sorry for the Portuguese who need to buy a house. Fortunately I am now in a small village. Moved from our farm near the Serra da estrela region to central PT 3 years ago and could buy an old still affordable house.
Iam also totally integrated in our village and do speak Portuguese, which for me was a must to learn.
My interaction with my mainly Portuguese neighbours is fabulous.
So hopefully this crazy house prices and will stop and vet back to normal again.
Do all these have extra HOA monthly fees on top of mortgage payments? I am sure the 3rd one does....
Yes, but compared to the US for example, it's really low. The 3rd was the highest at €100/month but that included the gym and a few other facilities that a lot of buildings don't have. We've seen a lot of properties that have fees between €20-60 per month. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for your replies you guys are awesome and Sia is soooooo cute.
@@stevon7969 you’re welcome. It’s our pleasure. When we can reply, we try to do it and do our best. Sometimes we miss the comments as in we don’t get a notification or they get caught in spam. 🤷♂️ 🤷♀️ Thank you for the compliment about Cia. She’s growing up in these videos 😊- Josh & Kalie
Wow 3 is amazing but I’d probably want to be closer to downtown
I agree with her about showers I can’t stand the wet bathrooms in Asia!
We agree! We're not at that point in our life. - Josh & Kalie
Kalie said that she's glad she's not alone. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
I was not thinking cost, I was thinking rent. Do you want to show some rentals? I loved the 1st two more than house #3. It felt a little stuffy to me, especially the guy that was the private broker. Yikes...;-) But, I have to admit...killer view. I would rater have hose #1 or #2. What do you think those would rent for. I like being in the City, like your place. How about some industrial spaces for Artists, builders, and entrepreneurs? (Like me!) ;-) Keep it up, that was a fun video.
Thanks for the comment, Rich. We're working on a rental episode.
To be honest, we're 100% baffled by the rental market here. It seems a lot of the "nice" places are for short or medium term rentals. There's a lot of stuff being fixed up by expats/for expats or investors and those aren't typically going to the general public for long term rents so it's really hard to say how much the rents would be at those 3 places. Just making assumptions based on what we've seen and know...#1 would be €750-950, #2 1000-15000, and #3 €2500 (depending on how nicely all are furnished it is). We really have no idea. We'll speak to a realtor friend and edit this message accordingly. - Josh & Kalie
Edit- Just heard back from the realtor #1 €700 #2 €1000 #3 €2,000-2,500
These are just what the realtor said they would go for in the market.
If anyone is interested in knowing more, email us and we’ll put you in touch with the right people.
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Great video! I heard that Portugal has a forbearance program through March. Prices may be better after that?
Thanks, Mark. You might just be right! Rental prices are already coming down. - Josh & Kalie
A lot of houses were used for tourism ( Airbnb, etc) which bumped up the prices. Since it might take a while for the tourism to recoup I definitely can see some of those houses being put into the market, either for rental or sell.
@@Rally1800 that’s right.
I love your videos! FYI I just read the tax law in Portugal is changing in regard to pensioner income: now 0% going up to 10%. I believe the first ten years tax free allowance is still effective.
Thanks! We appreciate it. We’ve actually interviewed someone today a bit about taxes. We hope to bring more info for pensioners in video format. - Josh & Kalie
Being a disabled, I can't go upstairs therefore I will pay zero for the first apartment. Not good for retiree.
That number 3 is amazing
Are you ready to put pen to paper on #3? 😊
I would but, first, I already have an apartment in Portugal, second, I don’t have half a million € 😇😂 ... btw, it looks like the main change to the golden visa is that the investment must be done outside Lisboa and Porto. I live in Between Braga and Geneva, of you need any info about Braga... just ask 🥳☺️
@@TomBarman 😁 Fair enough. With the Golden Visa, yes that's what it seems it'll be. We'll definitely keep you in mind about Braga when we're able to make our way up there. We're certainly hoping to do property tours up there at some point. Maybe when it's warmer 😉 - Josh & Kalie
What are the communal fees for flats in Portugal?
It varies a lot but it's nowhere near what it is in the US. House number 3 was under €100/month. We generally hear between €20 and €40.
I could with #3, but...... nah. Perhaps a similar type place in Combra, or Braga for le$$.
Are you still looking to buy, Roy? - Josh & Kalie
Hi, thank you for all the good videos. Please help us with this question. We are an American citizen family of 3. Right now stuck in Albania and want to move to Portugal 🇵🇹 is there any way we can apply for a visa from here or we have to go to the United States first? Thank you.
Great question. Have you looked to see if VFS Global is linked to Portugal through Albania? Meaning does the Portuguese Embassy in Albania use VFS Global to process the visa applications initially? If yes, contact them. If now, you might just try to go straight through the Embassy there.
Sometime, you can process your paperwork outside of your home country. It’s not common though. - Josh & Kalie
Okay, are a quick search, no VFS for Albania to Portugal. No Portuguese Embassy in Albania, they use the one in Rome for diplomatic relations with Albania. www.ambasadat.gov.al/portugal/en/portugal-albania Two options, go through this website, contact someone there to ask or you will indeed need to go through the US to get your visa for Portugal 🇵🇹. Wait! 3rd options which is not DIY, contact an immigration lawyer to do the paperwork for you! - Josh & Kalie
Thank you so much.
@@juhilarkin1673 you’re welcome. - Josh & Kalie
The gentleman is right 'not suitable for retirees with all those stupid stairs...' Not too smart to say otherwise !
Hi I am looking for apartments in Tarvia coming tomorrow
All the best, Sandra! - Josh & Kalie
You do realize that many pensioners in Porto live in buildings without elevators.
Absolutely and we see how they get up and down the stairs. 😁 Many people in the US for example, which is our general audience look for ranch-style homes to avoid going up and down stairs so in a way our comment is cultural. - Josh & Kalie
3 is the best.
Did that view win it for you? - Josh & Kalie
Haven't seen this last....#3. I see my sailboat tied up to a mooring ball! Waiting to go out into the Atlantic for a weekend! Oh yes.....HOW MUCH?
All so nice but I can't afford to live in my country
Great video, but everyone needs to continue wearing a mask indoors as well. This is how we are letting our guard down. You have a video on the pros of the Portuguese government and their mandates, so remember the mask, I live here too and it's an amazing country. We all need to do our part to stay healthy. Fyi....was recently in a similar situation and I and my spouse kept our masks on, found out a week later everyone else contracted covid.
Thanks - Josh & Kalie