@@9doggie12 If they were treated fairly in admissions they would be even higher than that, but unfortunately they’re discriminated against in order to boost the small black percentage of students.
why don't give quotas on NFL and every other sports dominated by black? tell jamicans and kenyans to run slower because their Asian brothers are not able to keep up with them!
Mlb has rbi program to increase black player, nhl has (hockey for everyone) to increase black players. Nfl and nba has no program to increase diversity
@@shawnh3463 But it's only racism when it happens to blacks. Yeah, what a joke. Damn....I'm gonna say I'm black from now on. I'll definitely get into Harvard.
I thought she was quite rude. He cut her off because she kept interrupting
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Some brutal facts. If Harvard or any Ivy League School (or any other extremely competitive school) admitted students based on academic achievement, there would be less than 1% black in these schools. Would that mean less blacks going to college? No, it just means that good black students would attend less competitive schools that they are better suited for and where they are more likely to graduate. I hope Harvard loses this lawsuit. But i have VERY LITTLE faith in our Court System to do the right thing.
No, Please do not confuse the issue, This is neither about affirmative action nor diversity, this is about Harvard discriminates against your fellow American sugar coated under the name of scores of "AA-likeability, "AA-integrity" and "AA-courage," (How on earth can they objectively rating this ...Mind you all ... Even your mum and your dad would give you different scores !!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Worse ... This is racism in its purest form. Proof ? Here is Oxford Dictionary definition for racism: "The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." Bytheway, I am a VietAmerican and I am sure that I am NOT less (or more) "likeability," "integrity" and "courage" than any average American or any average other nationalities (or race) :-) :-) AA= Asian-American
This is absolutely disgusting. It's time for South and East Asians to vote for the party that will end this discrimination. If the black community hasn't gotten their act together then that's their problem not the wide American populations problem. Harvard has a general acceptance rate of 10% whereas blacks who apply have an acceptance rate of almost 17%. Asians with a 3.4 to 3.6 GPA have an acceptance rate of 30% for medical school whereas black applicants with the same GPA have about 85% acceptance rate. I'm done with this.
Asian students Indian Jewish they work very hard even they were red to when they were children that's why they do so well in school now in America we discriminate against the best of the best
Why am I not surprised that Gregory Dawson a black man, supports Harvard on this issue and supports Affirmative Action. It's well known that unfortunate trait in human nature is that individual humans only care about themselves, their own needs and their own livelihoods and could not care less if their actions negatively impact others. Unfortunately some African American people in America support Affirmative Action because they want to give black people a "leg up" and "special treatment" in education and employment and they don't care how much that could discriminate against OTHER RACES such as White or Asian people. This sort of reverse racism and pandering towards black people as compensation for the "hundreds of years of ravial inequality" such slavery & racial segregation and is completely wrong, unfair, racist itself and unconstitutional. No one should be denied entry into their desired Universities simply because they're NOT BLACK!! Universities should not have an agenda of admitting more black students for the sake of "diversity"
Asian reaction to selection biases, is to work harder to perform better that their peers. The same hold true for the Affirmative Action groups, but the bar is set lower. They work hard at a completely different level. Silver spoons rots the brain (see Trump) and gives you a false sense of entitlement.
Hey, just checked myself, Asians were getting lynched in the early 1900s. So there is evidence of a struggle, but please don't compare an exclusion act to something as horrible as blacks experienced from the beginning of this country to now. I don't want to get preachy, but you know what I mean.
Eh, I had a change of heart recently. Look you don't look at the blood shed of my people as anything to remember and I don't blame you, its only human to want Harvard and beyond. I, like my father and his father before him have been fighting a battle with white privelage for the longest. We want to see Harvard majority Asian. This will losen our burdern greatly as Asians take Harvard and hispanics flood the southern gates. My people can finally stop being in the spotlight for being the biggest minority since the Indians passed away. Go for it dude.
The culture STRONGLY emphasizes prestige and validation of one's work. Asian-Americans are raised to work their asses off because in their minds, they NEED those high test scores to validate that they're smart. Just an acceptance letter from Harvard and other top schools is one of the highest forms of validation an Asian-American can hope for. Oddly enough, I think many immigrant families stress so much about entering a top college that they have no idea what's actually supposed to happen in college to get a great career afterwards. The truth is to have a great career and life, plenty of wonderful programs around the country are available to teach the skills heavily demanded in the marketplace. And I think it takes a full generation for Asian-Americans to realize this, as second and third generational families care much less about where their kids end up in college.
@@rand0md00d I don't think validation is the only consideration. Being a Harvard alum opens doors in a manner that is unimaginable. And that's a straight up fact. You cannot just set up a parallel institute - Harvard has hundreds of years of credibility behind it(questionable as it may be - Harvard grads heavily feature in white collar crime). So if do all things right, if a quota is the one thing holding you back, you will act. Keep in mind that Harvard does accept grants from the government - grants that are probably disproportionately funded by the community that is facing a perceived discrimination.
Kelvin Carr I guess I can reluctantly accept the fact that Asian applicants must score 450 points higher on the SATs than their Black counterparts, but their having to score 140 points higher over Whites makes ABSOLUTELY no Social Justice sense. If you want to give Black and Latino students opportunities, then take the seats away from Whites, not another community of color.
how much longer are we gonna coddle blacks for their poor performance? they eat up so much time and money and affirmative this and that and we as society have not much to show for it. i say let the asians take up the spots they qualify for and damn the ones who dont pull their own weight. this is such BS.
Rabid Farmer, reading post make a few things clear; First, you clearly are not too bright and most likely attended some inferior schools. Second, you have never had any training in argumentation and debate.
All of them are just there to gang up one person putting words in her mouth that “race does not matter at all” where they are ignoring the fact that she’s trying to express that merit and extracurricular credentials should also be considered where race should not be used as a crutch... they keep telling her to let them finish their thoughts but they never let her do the same
I don’t why these ASAINS think that Harvard or any college has to let them in! This will only make it harder for white women who affirmative action has helped the most and you know if it helped white women it definitely helped white men because they are & the same!
Great panel with balanced presentation from different sides on the issue. One thing, though. In the thumbnail, only Harvard's representative's face is shown. It gives the immediate impression that only Harvard's side is highlighted. It will be much better to have a thumbnail with all three speakers' faces shown. Of course, due to studio topography, face will be partially shown for the speaker on the left, while the other two's faces (Greg and Swan, from two different sides on the issue) can be fully visible.
If I’m half black and half Chinese then which entry score would I be admitted by? Would they then look at my background? If I came from the hood it would be easier and if I was from suburbia I would have to score the higher scores to get in? If this is the case then race shouldn’t be a deciding factor, just social economic factors. Each university and each faculty must take in X percentage of the underprivileged and be done with, end of discussion.
Harvard. Reject all public assistance: Grants, financial aid, and tax free endowments. Reject all of it and then put a big “NO CHINESE, NO DOGS” sign out front and that would be perfectly fine by me. I will pay for the signs.
Lemme just be politically incorrect here for a bit: If Harvard starts to accept students racially blind and tons of Asians rush in, Asians themselves will start ditching Harvard. --- I don't wanna be a member of a club that will cast me as a member. --- Woody Allen.
Woody Allen? The one who slept with his daughter while still marrying to her mother, and later married to his daughter. Pls don’t say she was just his adopted child.
That statement is not wrong, but coming from him just make one respond, “Seriously, from him??” Just as if Bernie Madoff says “the moral of not to scam your clients’ investment” or Bill Cosby says, “the moral of not to drug the women.”....,,”Seriously, from him??”
Merit is BS! The the definition of “merit” is fluid and tends to reflect the values and interests of those who have the power to impose their particular cultural ideals. In other words, people who have economic and political clout - people who are predominantly white - decide what we measure and how we measure those things. That is how “merit” is engineered into the American education system, which in turn recreates wealth and power in America.
It’s a real shame that Asians are picked on unfairly due to their upbringing and stellar work ethics, education should be colour blind.
??? It's a shame that Black ppl are picked on because of their skin color!
They are 10x their population at these schools. It’s an exaggeration
Whites are picked on too, they don’t deserve this discrimination either.
@@9doggie12 If they were treated fairly in admissions they would be even higher than that, but unfortunately they’re discriminated against in order to boost the small black percentage of students.
@@voidoflife7058 you mean white students right ?
why don't give quotas on NFL and every other sports dominated by black? tell jamicans and kenyans to run slower because their Asian brothers are not able to keep up with them!
Mlb has rbi program to increase black player, nhl has (hockey for everyone) to increase black players. Nfl and nba has no program to increase diversity
@@shawnh3463
But it's only racism when it happens to blacks. Yeah, what a joke.
Damn....I'm gonna say I'm black from now on. I'll definitely get into Harvard.
Go ahead nobody cares
Why enforce diversity if it comes at the cost of merit?
Cuz..... racist!
;)
That’s what affirmative action is. Lol the supposed “good kind” of racism.
Merit has never existed
Anyone else feel like the interviewer cut the Asian off more often?
Nothing new.
We Asians always get ignored in this country. Especially by the media.
I thought she was quite rude. He cut her off because she kept interrupting
Some brutal facts. If Harvard or any Ivy League School (or any other extremely competitive school) admitted students based on academic achievement, there would be less than 1% black in these schools. Would that mean less blacks going to college? No, it just means that good black students would attend less competitive schools that they are better suited for and where they are more likely to graduate. I hope Harvard loses this lawsuit. But i have VERY LITTLE faith in our Court System to do the right thing.
If it's ok for Harvard to do this, they should just give every Asian American child a letter grade down on every test they take in elementary school.
@Rich 91 been there done that and also managed to build rail roads and never complained
Asians are the most racist group of people
progressives drastically lower college admission standards for african americans
@passius1 with that the also place admissions quota's on eastern pacific rim and south asians because of the success of those groups
No, Please do not confuse the issue, This is neither about affirmative action nor diversity, this is about Harvard discriminates against your fellow American sugar coated under the name of scores of "AA-likeability, "AA-integrity" and "AA-courage," (How on earth can they objectively rating this ...Mind you all ... Even your mum and your dad would give you different scores !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
Worse ... This is racism in its purest form. Proof ? Here is Oxford Dictionary definition for racism: "The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."
Bytheway, I am a VietAmerican and I am sure that I am NOT less (or more) "likeability," "integrity" and "courage" than any average American or any average other nationalities (or race) :-) :-)
AA= Asian-American
This is absolutely disgusting. It's time for South and East Asians to vote for the party that will end this discrimination. If the black community hasn't gotten their act together then that's their problem not the wide American populations problem. Harvard has a general acceptance rate of 10% whereas blacks who apply have an acceptance rate of almost 17%. Asians with a 3.4 to 3.6 GPA have an acceptance rate of 30% for medical school whereas black applicants with the same GPA have about 85% acceptance rate. I'm done with this.
Asian students Indian Jewish they work very hard even they were red to when they were children that's why they do so well in school now in America we discriminate against the best of the best
In practice afirmative action benefits upper class black students and disadvantages poor Asian and white students.
Yea whatever
Why am I not surprised that Gregory Dawson a black man, supports Harvard on this issue and supports Affirmative Action. It's well known that unfortunate trait in human nature is that individual humans only care about themselves, their own needs and their own livelihoods and could not care less if their actions negatively impact others. Unfortunately some African American people in America support Affirmative Action because they want to give black people a "leg up" and "special treatment" in education and employment and they don't care how much that could discriminate against OTHER RACES such as White or Asian people.
This sort of reverse racism and pandering towards black people as compensation for the "hundreds of years of ravial inequality" such slavery & racial segregation and is completely wrong, unfair, racist itself and unconstitutional.
No one should be denied entry into their desired Universities simply because they're NOT BLACK!! Universities should not have an agenda of admitting more black students for the sake of "diversity"
US discriminated against Asian Americans, Screw Havard,
Andrew Yang is taking over this country 2020!
Lanchiang Lo he’s for affirmative action and racial quotas. Trump’s doj backed the lawsuit
,tip
He did not even gave chance to the middle women any chance
No Asian men and black women here, as always. what a great diversity!
Asian reaction to selection biases, is to work harder to perform better that their peers.
The same hold true for the Affirmative Action groups, but the bar is set lower. They work hard at a completely different level.
Silver spoons rots the brain (see Trump) and gives you a false sense of entitlement.
Trump was loaned $1m and turned it into $10bn.
The Chinese did not have the opportunity to be slaves, Chinese Exclusion Act anyone ?
Go take a long look at the civil rights museum. Were are the Asian faces?
civil rights museum is for blacks only, they excluded Asians.
Hey, just checked myself, Asians were getting lynched in the early 1900s. So there is evidence of a struggle, but please don't compare an exclusion act to something as horrible as blacks experienced from the beginning of this country to now. I don't want to get preachy, but you know what I mean.
If the blacks were excluded from this country like the Chinese, would they have experienced slavery ?
Eh, I had a change of heart recently. Look you don't look at the blood shed of my people as anything to remember and I don't blame you, its only human to want Harvard and beyond. I, like my father and his father before him have been fighting a battle with white privelage for the longest. We want to see Harvard majority Asian. This will losen our burdern greatly as Asians take Harvard and hispanics flood the southern gates. My people can finally stop being in the spotlight for being the biggest minority since the Indians passed away. Go for it dude.
this panels a mess
3 lawyers and a lay-person who is ESL. Terrible panel. You could not find one lawyer that supported the ESL lady's side?
that jeannie suk can't represent for her asian people because she married to white supremecy
Because the ESL side is bullshit. there’s a million of universities n they choose Harvard 🤦🏽♂️
You are a shameless anti-immigrant racist. You don't like the lady because she doesn't speak your far Left views. Admit it, far Left tyrant.
Just create asian-american school and compete with Harvard since asian-american are more wiser. Simple.
The culture STRONGLY emphasizes prestige and validation of one's work. Asian-Americans are raised to work their asses off because in their minds, they NEED those high test scores to validate that they're smart. Just an acceptance letter from Harvard and other top schools is one of the highest forms of validation an Asian-American can hope for. Oddly enough, I think many immigrant families stress so much about entering a top college that they have no idea what's actually supposed to happen in college to get a great career afterwards.
The truth is to have a great career and life, plenty of wonderful programs around the country are available to teach the skills heavily demanded in the marketplace. And I think it takes a full generation for Asian-Americans to realize this, as second and third generational families care much less about where their kids end up in college.
I like your proposition
They kind of already have. It's called Caltech. Highest SAT scores in the nation. Median math score there is a perfect 800.
@@rand0md00d I don't think validation is the only consideration. Being a Harvard alum opens doors in a manner that is unimaginable. And that's a straight up fact. You cannot just set up a parallel institute - Harvard has hundreds of years of credibility behind it(questionable as it may be - Harvard grads heavily feature in white collar crime). So if do all things right, if a quota is the one thing holding you back, you will act. Keep in mind that Harvard does accept grants from the government - grants that are probably disproportionately funded by the community that is facing a perceived discrimination.
Pathetic if you need laws to put you into a good school not your grades
Pathetic if you think you’re entitled to go to a private school that you don’t own...
@@DB-ev5ep He's entitled if he's academically better than black students.
Pathetic if you think grades are the reason blacks couldn’t attend these colleges historically
check the right ethnicity box you know what im talking about
mix? white? latino? pacific islander? never check asian.
Every Asian should go out and get a tan, and pass themselves off as "Native American" or "Latino".
Kelvin Carr I guess I can reluctantly accept the fact that Asian applicants must score 450 points higher on the SATs than their Black counterparts, but their having to score 140 points higher over Whites makes ABSOLUTELY no Social Justice sense. If you want to give Black and Latino students opportunities, then take the seats away from Whites, not another community of color.
how much longer are we gonna coddle blacks for their poor performance? they eat up so much time and money and affirmative this and that and we as society have not much to show for it. i say let the asians take up the spots they qualify for and damn the ones who dont pull their own weight. this is such BS.
Rabid Farmer, reading post make a few things clear; First, you clearly are not too bright and most likely attended some inferior schools. Second, you have never had any training in argumentation and debate.
White women are not in the same category as blacks. The latter requires some special accomodations - kind of like getting a turd to shine.
@@aauthorj -whey liberals attack your person is when you know you have won.
Some ethnicities would not have made it past community college had it not been for AA.
All of them are just there to gang up one person putting words in her mouth that “race does not matter at all” where they are ignoring the fact that she’s trying to express that merit and extracurricular credentials should also be considered where race should not be used as a crutch... they keep telling her to let them finish their thoughts but they never let her do the same
I don’t why these ASAINS think that Harvard or any college has to let them in! This will only make it harder for white women who affirmative action has helped the most and you know if it helped white women it definitely helped white men because they are & the same!
Great panel with balanced presentation from different sides on the issue. One thing, though. In the thumbnail, only Harvard's representative's face is shown. It gives the immediate impression that only Harvard's side is highlighted. It will be much better to have a thumbnail with all three speakers' faces shown. Of course, due to studio topography, face will be partially shown for the speaker on the left, while the other two's faces (Greg and Swan, from two different sides on the issue) can be fully visible.
To solve the issue: All Asians go for Science and Technology. All “Blacks” go for Sociology and Humanity. 😜🙏❤️
Thanks for letting us know that Harvard is a lousy university
Every group of people has more divisions on culture, language and socio-economic status. If everyone got representation........
If I’m half black and half Chinese then which entry score would I be admitted by? Would they then look at my background? If I came from the hood it would be easier and if I was from suburbia I would have to score the higher scores to get in? If this is the case then race shouldn’t be a deciding factor, just social economic factors. Each university and each faculty must take in X percentage of the underprivileged and be done with, end of discussion.
What value does diversity have?
Wow, cant understand anything this panel says... No wonder it is on local news.
Interesting. Other people can understand.
MIT = Made In Taiwan.
Why no Asian Suing or going crazy about Aunty Becky and her white friends paying for their kids to get into US top school?
Love You yes there is the choy family is suing them for 500 billion dollars.
Harvard. Reject all public assistance: Grants, financial aid, and tax free endowments. Reject all of it and then put a big “NO CHINESE, NO DOGS” sign out front and that would be perfectly fine by me. I will pay for the signs.
thats racist
Lemme just be politically incorrect here for a bit: If Harvard starts to accept students racially blind and tons of Asians rush in, Asians themselves will start ditching Harvard. --- I don't wanna be a member of a club that will cast me as a member. --- Woody Allen.
Woody Allen? The one who slept with his daughter while still marrying to her mother, and later married to his daughter. Pls don’t say she was just his adopted child.
@@ismeisme6441 So if Bill Clinton says"we should honour marriages by not cheating", him being a cheater makes his statement wrong?
That statement is not wrong, but coming from him just make one respond, “Seriously, from him??” Just as if Bernie Madoff says “the moral of not to scam your clients’ investment” or Bill Cosby says, “the moral of not to drug the women.”....,,”Seriously, from him??”
@@ismeisme6441 He simply made a funny observation and I think that observation/statement seems to fit in this case. That's all.
Merit is BS! The the definition of “merit” is fluid and tends to reflect the values and interests of those who have the power to impose their particular cultural ideals. In other words, people who have economic and political clout - people who are predominantly white - decide what we measure and how we measure those things. That is how “merit” is engineered into the American education system, which in turn recreates wealth and power in America.
That lady in the middle is really annoying