Above all I really appreciate that ABC and Muir gave Asian Americans a voice on this debate unlike other news outlets. This is a deeply personal issue to a lot of people either as students or as parents and almost everyone will be biased because of their personal experiences. Giving people of all sides a voice without judgement is the best we can do.
Almost everyone will be baised based on personal experience? that is bullshiyt. you assume we all don't yave the ability to use discernment. this isn't an opinion. there is truth and there are lies. End of story. my race should not be a factor in my admissions. this shouldn't be up for debate. it's common sense.
We as a society have somehow come to the understanding that racism is ok when it is done to this group but not that, for whatever reason "progress" is no longer about equality for all but rather equality for the select few while oppression is ok for others. In 50 years people will look back on today and realize with horror the kind of racism that was casually thrown around in the name of diversity.
@@shelbysycamore637 Merit based systems have never existed and never will. Many people get into positions of privilege and power based on Nepotism Family always Brings in family and friends. Schools should not be targeting race alone but also children that come from very poor backgrounds that show a propensity for high academic achievement.
@@eduardomaldonado1647 I agree, though I would say race can be factored out at this point. If we took into account social economic backgrounds and other common pitfalls that would help racial minorities that have suffered from inequality as well.
I'm happy that Asian applicants no longer need to score 140 higher on the SAT than a white applicant to have the same admission opportunities at an elite university. FJB
True. White peeps used to be against affirmative action when it hurt them (Whites vs Blacks). Then they suddenly changed their minds when it came to Whites vs Asians (and they were the ones who got the advantage of affirmative action). Don't be hypocritical.
@@buffalobill1415 Well,, you have had "white privilege' SINCE 1492. Just sayin' that maybe you can understand that others have suferred due to racism/bigotry
@@oprrrah3498 please tell me you understand racism and how it still exists because white privilege still exists and note that the GOP is constantly oppressing anyone not white enough
I have to admit that I agree with the Supreme Court ruling. It's time we look at merit, hard work, and academic performance rather than color and ethnicity. When you reward someone with college entrance on race or ethnicity and not on merit you create within these students an attitude of entitlement that will NOT serve them well in the real world.
Bravo Alex!!!! It's so rare to see a main stream news network give an Asian American an opportunity to voice opinions that represent so many Asian Americans' true thoughts on this matter. Thank you Alex, from the bottom of my heart, for your courage to speak the unpopular truth that many people much older than you cannot say out loud, and for representing! Discrimination against Asians is DISCRIMINATION on the basis of race, it is no less unfair and upsetting just because it is done under a different label. Acknowledging the discrimination against Asian students in the college entrance context is not pitting minorities against each other (an argument often made in main stream media as if Asians can be fooled into silence and submission and not recognize that such an argument is just a distraction from the real issue), it's correcting something that is clearly wrong!! Imposing a racial quota on Asians is wrong!!
I thought Asians and Indians made up majority of the minority students at these universities. How does affirmative action affect you when you are already majority being let in. Kids of rich parents get in which is fine but blaming black people for taking one or two spots is absurd and is an issue developed by very selfish people who disregard the efforts we have put in to enable everyone. If this was really an issue, then you have the wrong target.
@@GranolaBars11 It won't, but it's a start; similar to the successes of other civil rights movements in the past. In this case, it's a shame that the issue successfully pitted the average Asian view against the average Black view when things like legacy admissions should be fairly common ground, but eh.
@@kaboyodaniel3630 A lot of unsupported assumptions there. Asians are not the majority, first of all. Asians should not put up with obvious discrimination against Asians because of the faulty logic that it will not reduce discrimination generally. If fixing one disease won't cure all diseases, should efforts to fix that one disease just stop?
My step-son is an immigrant. He came over from the Philippines as a student who was near the top of his class at a private high school and at a college as well. He was offered no scholarships so he went to a junior college by working at Target during the day and going to school at night. After he got his 2 year degree he was offered a job at Target as a robot mechanic. He started at $26/hr. Four years later he makes $46/hr. But John Deere was hiring their robot repairman away from them so Target raised their salary to 47.5/hr to match John Deere. My step-son also joined the Army reserve and is leaning diesel mechanics and will have his college paid for by both Target and the Army as he works toward the higher degrees. He didn't whine because other minorities got scholarships he might have been more qualified for. He went to work and succeeded on his own. Some say this "cannot be done." But he did it. I contributed only $6,000 to his education. He didn't need any more he said.
Congratulations to your son, but why didn’t he do it while he was in the Philippines? I bet it’s because he faced a lot of challenges there. Guess what? People here face the exact same challenges he had there. Your son was lucky because he was able to get away from his previous life. The people here can’t.
Can you imagine how it would be if we apply the same “equal opportunity for underprivileged groups” to NFL, NBA? Imagine putting significant amount of Asians, Latinos, Whites to the team just because we want the equal opportunities for all. Imagine how the game will change drastically. It’s simple. Best players will get to play in the best league. It’s because they worked hard for it and earned it. Coming from an underprivileged background should not be a deciding factor. Same knowledge should apply to schools and society. You need to earn it. Not asking for it just because.
@@edwinlucianofrias1643 because they want fierce competition? Giving the Pole Position to the number 1 team could reduce viewership over time if losing teams this year don't win next year.
Your comments are so devastating and unfair. You broke my dream😢 I want affirmative action in NBA. Although I am only 5’8”, I can play as a starter. I have to…
@@Knightx392 Homo or Heterogeneity shouldn't matter bc America has racial equality, meaning organizations cannot discriminate based on race in any setting. Organizations should be race blind but, somehow it is okay for Harvard to do it. If we want to be fair we have to be fair all across the board, you can't pick and choose what favors one group. Now, I understand black and Hispanics family traditionally are at a disadvantage when it comes to not having enough resources to help their kids achieve more in school. This is an issue for the state and federal govt to solve, to provide equal resources to inner city schools vs suburban counterparts. It can also be culture, traditionally Asian cultures emphasize education more so than black or Hispanic families. Whatever the case may be, you have to foster more qualified Hispanic and black students Not penalize Asian students. It is certainly, not up to Harvard to be the judge.
Ecclesiastes 10:1-10 1 As dead flies give perfume a bad smell, so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor. 2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the LEFT. 3 Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are.
my understanding is the applicants that get in to Harvard w/ affirmative action are quite brilliant as well. There is a myth they are not. AA just keeps the school more evenly diverse, which well when you have so many qualified applicants who should all get in why is it so horrible to use diversity as a factor? There are other great schools besides Harvard and it is not necessary to go to harvard or other ivy leagues to be successful.
They all sound like Asians were never discriminated against. If racism still exists, please give Asians more opportunities. If racism does not exist any more, then AA should go.
I applied to college in 1988, affirmative action stopped applying to Asians in 1985. If affirmative action applied to Asians back then, I would have made it into more elite colleges!
@@18890426 contrary to popular believe.. Asians are considered POC… and as such would’ve benefited from both Racial and Gender Affirmative Action. Let’s not get holier than tho and act like Asians aren’t POC.
“I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by their character.”
Way to take it out of context! Good for you. Feel better about yourself now...bring the minority down and the white person up as it has been and so on....(sarcasm)
I am GLAD, as a black woman, they’re putting restrictions on affirmative action in regards to schooling. Though I agree with the young lady about race (sadly) being a huge part of our identity, I agree with the young man that it’s uncomfortable to think of being accepted into a program solely on our skin color and the need for “inclusion.” I had a few teachers in the past hint around at how impressed they were to see somebody like me perform so well academically. It’s even more insulting for bigots to assume we’re only being accepted because of our skin instead of our brains. I worked hard for what I earned! I only hope to see more of this change in society. POC are not feeble; we don’t need handouts!
Sadly the affirmative action benefits primarily the people from overseas who grew up differently than African Americans. The Duke student in this video is an example of who is really benefiting from it. She probably didn’t go through discrimination when she grew up in Nigeria because of her skin color. Strong chance she is from a wealth family there.
@tillnothingleft what makes you say she wasn't raised in the US? Chances are she was born and raised in this country. I know a huge number of black people whose families immigrated two generations ago.
None of these black and Latino kids are being accepted solely based on race. That is the con job that America has done for decades. I know MANY kids that have gone to prestigious Universities and those kids earned their position and were very successful at those institutions. America is STill a very racist nation, but it isn't because of black and Lation people...
I never got anything from affirmative action and bigots still assume that. Meanwhile the white kids were sleeping with the professor to get their grades up. I really don't know why ppl act like this is about merit, you have always as a black person needed top notch merit to get ahead. Even then, We still expect to be underestimated no matter how qualified we actually are.
Affirmative Action is Systematic Racism. This is an undisputed fact by very definition. History has always taught us never to right a wrong with another wrong.
@@FinanceNationjust get better. I give up at least 5 hours a day for my studies to be top 5% of my school. I don’t see how being black stop them from doing that too with the internet and school provided laptops.
@@AnonymousSap You can't see what you already have because you choose not to. I have a Master Degree I completed November 2017...What you have is an inert offering of acceptance... treatment...judgement because of whiteness...you ignored the content and the accuracy of my comment but.. It begins and ends at that change my genetics to caucasian and be better and seen as better. FACT
Love how the second guest spoke, beautifully eloquent and correct! Sometimes programs like these end up doing people a disservice.. Asian Americans often work extremely hard and shouldn't be pushed aside for a different minority
The stats showcase that most people aren't accepted because of Legacy kids and rich kids who have parents that can donate millions to the schools. Affirmative Action was enforcing laws to not discriminate against Non White people. Asian Americans were too stupid to grasp that it wasn't Black students, it was the Legacy students who hold over 40% of these elite schools positions.
Yes, that aspect of AA wasn't much different than the racial cap Ivies used to have on Jewish students, out of prejudice. It's just "we can't have to many Asian students here. If we don't limit them, they'll flood in because their culture values studying." now. However, African Americans still face unfair and often unconscious racial bias that might manifest itself in admission decisions, and I'm sympathetic to how this policy was meant to balance that out a bit. The biggest problem perhaps was how it lumped Asian American students together. Two immigrants from Asia could be from vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds. Some Asian countries or regions within are very poor. Their children then might grow up with different conditions and opportunities. I wish they could somehow reform and modernize the policy than completely ban it. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater in regards to helping African Americans overcome very real and often unconscious racial bias.
I can appreciate how this Brown Univ prospect expresses his true feelings rather than look sad and attempt to portray himself as someone who really has supported affirmative action but has not always agreed how it has been implemented. In other words, he isn't two-faced.
Let’s say you were bleeding out really bad from your arm. You call an ambulance. Someone sees you and offers to wrap your arm with their shirt to negate some of the bleeding, you have nothing to wrap it with yourself. Would you refuse the shirt, saying “I don’t need that, the ambulance is on its way,” or would you use the shirt until the ambulance got there to provide better care?
Great debate. As an Asian American, we are a smaller minority than African Americans with even less representation yet we earn the highest income. Affirmative Action has also worked against Asian Americans because too many of us were getting into Harvard. You cannot always blame the system and look for handouts. Instead, dig deep and forge your own path forward. Our parent's generation sacrificed everything for us without being fluent in English. The opportunity is there but nobody is gonna give it to you.
Biden gave you legislation. When your ancestors were put in camps they received reparations so please stop with the comparisons. Your families and complete identities were not taken from you by this country and never repaired
Before you brag about Asians earning higher income than African Americans, why don't you open your eyes fully and read a history book. Go try to understand how segregation/racism in the education system and wider society has hurt African Americans to this day.
basically you're saying black people are dumb. I really don't know what you want to achieve by saying that. Keep working with white supremacists , but don't come crying back to us when they come after you cause eventually they will . EDIT: not to mention you're only here because of the civil rights movement what a betrayal.
Could you explain how White Americans are possibly taking the spots away from Asian Americans if they aren't expected to achieve the same test scores and grades as Asian Americans next?
None because it was easier to go after black and brown admissions instead of tackling the real discriminatory legacy system. Rich white kids are never going to get rejected
Funny thing is she is not even African American. She said herself she is from Nigeria. This is exactly what happens in colleges. Half of blacks in Ivy are from Africa, not America. It primarily benefits wealthy families in Africa which does disservice to both African countries and black Americans
It doesn't matter if colleges are lacking people of color or if they're filled with them. What matters is that EVERY STUDENT in them is there because of their knowledge and academic achievements and skills etc. Not focusing on the race of ANY student to be accepted into school is how it should be everywhere. School is about learning, not what you look like or where you come from. Or that's how it should be. People shouldn't be accepted so that a quota is met.
Oh really? So you think it would be okay for the prestigious colleges to only have white and/or Asian students. GWB attended Yale and he was a C student. That debunks your argument that those in ivy league schools are all academically gifted and deserve to be there. Many are there only because they are white and are from wealthy families.
Respectfully, you're expressing an ideal situation. The real world doesn't care if you deserve or have earned your place. The rules are not the same for everyone; not the same for minorities in the real world. Racism is real. Kids from poor communities need these safeties to be able to ensure they at least have a chance to continue higher education. Not just for them, but also for the children of privilege, to learn to tolerate differences when they meet other cultures in their campuses, and later in life.
@@WeirdBarbiesBoyfriend Except the safeties are not for kids from poor communities. They are safeties for minority kids from poor communities. There are way more poor white kids going to subpar high schools than there are poor minority kids, but nobody cares about the poor white kids. It's all about skin color and votes, not economic disparity. And people like yourself have bought into the narrative without using your critical thinking skills.
How do you address the educational inequality in elementary to high school. If you went private you can walk into most prestigious colleges but if you are from a redlined urban or underfunded rural school district how do you get a chance? Is education is for the wealthy only?
Don't forget the Chinese exclusion act wasn't abolished till the 1943, Japanese Americans were put in camps in the 40s the majority of Vietnamese in America in the 70s 80s are refugees who came to the US with literally nothing. Yet many of them prove to you through hard work, you can get to the top, not through their race!
He was extremely well spoken. One thing that we can all agree is that money is the biggest factor towards success. How you deal with trauma is a characteristic. If it empowers you to do better that’s great. But if you play victim you are limiting yourself. I’d be so disappointed to know that I only got the college because of something out of my control and not through work. Same as when I’m told I’m only successful because I’m white. All of your hard work, sweat and effort over looked. It’s time to judge on merit and work to better ourselves as an individual
@@griffinbenjamin3150 I acknowledged him because he was confident and precise. I’m not doubting her as a person, for her to be in an ivy school is an amazing accomplishment and I’m saddened that she accounts it to her race. We are at a time where we are so divided it’s creating more problems than helping. Everyone needs to come together and see that both sides are trying to pin us against each other. Nothing can get done if we don’t work together. This is a change where both sides can actually relate for once. It’s what we needed to come together. We’re all under one nation and when we get rid of this hatred for even open minded people, we can move forward.
"How you deal with trauma is a characteristic. If it empowers you to do better that’s great. But if you play victim you are limiting yourself." well said!
@@nondeterministic I was a young boy being sexually abused by my brother and physically by my father. Im 23 now and came from nothing and now I have a good life with a beautiful girlfriend and we are both successful. It was hard to live with the burden of the trauma that I’ve faced but through it, I became a person of good values. My brothers on the other hand let it plague their minds and battle with it subconsciously every day. I never looked for peoples acknowledgment of what had happened to me, I let it motivate me to become who I am
You do know what you stated has never been true…my father was denied his GI Bill solely based on his color…Tennessee was still Segregated in 1957 when he got out the Army.
My wife and I are of different race. Why should our children be forced to decide and check boxes, or worse, be evaluated by someone else's perception about their race?
Because this is America. It took a war to end slavery, civil rights protests and court cases to strike down segregation LAWS and enact civil rights laws..
I mean what are they going to put on their driver's license. What's on their birth certficate? These are the questions that you have to ask the government as they legally require them.
@@kjdnyhmghfvb You see it that simple? Really? So you make them or better yet the parents to deicide for them at birth? Alike "hmm, this one looks like xyz, so let's call it that way"? What an f'd up mentality. Also, I know of countries, where it is illegal for the government to ask such a questions. Have you ever wondered how those societies can exist?
It is long overdue. Affirmative action has been racism for a very long time. Admission should be by merit and grades for everyone. Work hard and get good grades. That goes for everyone.
You and people like you choose to ignore the facts: ALL colleges choose from a POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. They have always done that. However, Black students were OVER LOOKED AND ADMITTED EVEN IF THEY HAD THE QUALIFICATIONS. Affirmative Action was a way for QUALIFIED BLACK students to be admitted when otherwise THEY WOULD NOT HAVE.
@@kellyi.4353Literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Why does race matter? Focus on everyone regardless of race. You literally made the assumption that blacks can’t get in on their own. That’s sickening
@@kellyi.4353Total garbage, where are you getting this nonsense from? Affirmative action helps many black people that are not qualified for the course they desire, for fcks sake do some research
Affirmative Actions were put in place based on some statistics that Black and Hispanic students do not have access, privileges, money, opportunity, etc compare to White students. Thus, they dont have a higher test score. However, when Asian Americans started to migrate more and more, this narrative is broken. Asian immigrants face as much hardship if not more as any other minority in North America. Examples: language barriers, poor, ghetto neighborhoods, racism, etc. Yet with hard work Asian students are always top of the class IN SPITE of that. So students that used to be benefited from Affirmative Actions. Ask yourself this: are you going to work harder to get to where you want? Or are you going to give up and blame society or the government?
Wow, both of these young people did really good in this debate. Very smart and articulate. It gave me a little more hope in our younger generation in regard to education. I'd say they did a lot better than most people who come on as guest speakers. I appreciated this segment.
I think she shouldn’t be the representative. It weakened her case because she came from Nigeria. It shows who were the beneficiaries of this - primarily the rich people from overseas countries, not African Americans. She constantly mentions all the disasters as an African American but she is Nigerian who grew up in a different country. How could she tell lies? She lost the credibility
Public info shows she grew up in a neighborhood with an A- overall grade and #10 in best places to raise a family in that particular county. Median home value is $464,500 and home ownership is 91%… from what she said about her upbringing, you’d think she was from the hood in Baltimore or something.
According to the 2008-2012 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, 61.4% of Nigerian Americans aged 25 years or older hold a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.5% of the total U.S. population. I don't think she's under-represented.
Except Black colleges do accept other races. That should change after this ruling but it won't so you can have your safe white spaces and still invade ours.
because "Black colleges" (HBCUs I think you mean) don't have a history of racial discrimination. I doubt you can even cite one example. Their existence and demographic makeup is due to racial discrimination from predominately white schools. Look at West Virginia State University - an HBCU that isn't even 13% Black you think they are biased against white people?
You won't have that choice until at least 8 years from now. There are many affirmative action students who are in med school right now because of their race.
Pay attention to people leaving comments on all these videos responding and reacting to this ruling. Id say it's a large majority that are reacting positively to this ruling. But the media is spinning it and saying its a terrible thing. Thats called gaslighting.
You and people like you choose to ignore the facts: ALL colleges choose from a POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. They have always done that. However, Black students were OVER LOOKED AND ADMITTED EVEN IF THEY HAD THE QUALIFICATIONS. Affirmative Action was a way for QUALIFIED BLACK students to be admitted when otherwise THEY WOULD NOT HAVE.
We all know using your brains and winning on talent are white and asian traits which is the problem. Paying attention in school is racist, they know that..
Equal opportunity is provides equal opportunity but racist systems and all the closet racists in the comments....well that support keeping white privilege...that is gentrification
Yes, there is still discrimination, and there always will be. It is not always against Minorities. Personally, I believe it has a lot more to do with social class. But that's another story. You never know what any individual has gone through in their life.. The only way to know is for them to tell you. That should not be a surprise. And I'm absolutely positive that there are plenty of minority people who had perfectly acceptable or even privileged lives. On the opposite end i know there are majority citizens that were not given any more advantage than a minority. Proving that special treatment based on any one or few characteristics is not the answer. There were and are laws that prohibit discrimination based on solely color, religion, sex etc... calling out infractions on this and enforcing discrimination laws was and still is the only honorable answer. RACISM based on affirmative action is still RACISM and will never be the right path.
@Play4Vida I can't tell if that was sarcastic. Anyway, as long as the rules are the same for everybody. You have nothing to complain about. Affirmative action makes the rules unfair
I didn’t have a white teacher with light brown hair and hazel eyes. That’s probably why I don’t get accepted at Harvard. Absolutely zero thought goes into that supposition.
I applaud this decision by the court! It’s about time applicants be judged on their merits and their character! We need to get the best of the best into STEM programs and get more qualified individuals into those jobs! I also realize that everyone is going to have some sort of bias just like Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said in her dissenting opinion. But at the end of the day, colleges need to start admiring the best of the best. I don’t care what race they are, I care if they are going to work hard, get their degrees, get into the workforce and make a name for themselves.
Let's pretend that this isn't a decision based on race. Now schools will be able to legally to only accept students in legacies, and whom parents can pay off the schools with donations.
If this were true, then why are legacy admissions not on the cutting board too. We know that also rich students are given preferential treatment regarding admissions.
I agree with the ruling. I also agree that legacy admissions should be cut out aswell. No special treatment for anybody. You get out of life what you put into it. If you work hard you will have some degree of sucess. If you do the bare minimum it will yeild the bare minimum results. I am so damn tired of people using their race as an excuse. I know plenty of people from all walks of life that are successful and I also know people from all walks of life that are not successful but they put forth minimal effort. They never try to do anything to better themselves. I am 43 years old and I have a somewhat comfortable life. I did not go to college so I took the long way to get where I am at. I have friends that made it years before I did. That is nobodies fault but my own. Take responsibility for your own actions and how they effect your quality of life. Quit crying cause your life sucks and do something to change it. Here in Ga you can go to any technical college for free if you maintain a certain grade point average plus there are free federal grants to pay for your supplies. There is no reason you cant better yourself.
Shouldn't any civilization be recruiting the best minds and the most capable to ensure the society to carry-on. Why should the US colleges and universities be recruiting a huge number of under-qualified or just pure under achievers to fill the spots that can be better served for our country? No other countries in the world do this! You think Japan, Korea recruits a bunch of under-qualified individuals for their college spots?
Not an appropriate comparison, these countries do not have a history of immigration movement. Take a look at their racial structure/component. However, I agree that educational resources should be rewarded to hardworking individuals.
Why are you assuming that these folks are under qualified? Is it because they are not White. For folks in the back of the room..AA Candidates are technically qualified. The only difference is skin color vs white male counterparts. Again, designed to combat the Old Boys Network.
Exactly. This is why we're already having issues keeping up our national infrastructure. Somebody else built it all and we can't even maintain it. But as long as everybody feels good
I’m mixed Cambodian Filipino Chinese Vietnamese American and whenever I have to fill out college and grad program applications, I always have to checkmark by default that I’m Cambodian because I know that affirmative action will pile me and compare me against East Asians who have a larger population and are more well known and have more opportunities than Southeast Asians. This is a nuanced discussion regarding sub ethnic groups that need more spotlight also and are often not talked about when it comes to affirmative action.
I am pleased to see that ABC News Anchor Muir is giving the young minority students for the debate - Asian American and African American students are expressing their heartfelt views through their young lifetime experiences. Hope to see more... Very inspiring!
Would be nice if he would have simply asked her to elaborate on "the trauma and how hard it is to be black in America" she wouldn't know what to say cuz nobody ever asks
@@fartface5172"Waaa... some white girl in 6th grade tried to touch my hair... waaa... that's TRAUMA!" Trust me, she would have made up some word salad about colonization, white supremacy and underfunded schools (despite the fact that mostly black school districts in America have among the highest budgets per student enrolled).
All I heard from the young lady at the beginning was “I can no longer expect to just get by because I’m black, I now actually have to earn my place and so does everyone else”
As a black American I hate to be the one to point out that the woman who spoke first is from Nigerian immigrant parents, she said. Her family was not part of the struggle for equality in America. I'm sure they came after the heavy lifting was done. I don't see her argument as credible. Ending AA will not benefit Asian students in short or long run. Top schools have never looked only at grades and they know when you joined the debate club in your senior year to fluff up your resume. The supreme court decision is a good decision because it takes the "I did not get in because I'm not black" complaint off the table. Now those high scoring Asians, who still will not get in will just have to say "I did not get in because my essay and the world view it exposed, was not compelling enough." Harvard's freshman class is 24% Asian. If you did not get in, it's probably moe than just you not being black. Your presentation sucked. Nobody is impressed with the kid who spent 12 years with his head in the books and never applied what he learned in a meaningful way to his life. This is opposed to a kid who also got very good grades but did more in launching a business, demonstrating passion for a meaningful cause by their actions and contributions or making a difference in the world already. Some good test-taking Asians will still be rejected. They'll just have to find another excuse as to why.
Why does a teacher have to "look like you" for you to be able to learn from them? Ive never understood that. My teachers wer all different nationalities but that had nothing to do with anything at all!!!!!!
Merits and merits only….colleges MUST evaluate an individual’s past performance to determine future performance. The entire reason for a college is to educate and motivate. Name, DOB, SSN, zip code, ect ect should not be included on a college application until admission decision had been validated by MERIT!!
I'm white. I'm perfectly ok with universities being filled with mostly Asian people. Or mostly black. Or 100% Latins. As long as they all got there by their own efforts.
That “holistic admissions” process allows an underlying form racial discrimination to continue against Asians. The UC system uses that holistic process in California. SATs have been dropped because they are viewed as “racist.” Despite anti affirmative action laws in California, race remains a deciding factor in admissions. Is it fair or legal? No!
As a first generation Asian American, I don't see how using AA to correct past discrimnation is even a sound argument when AA discriminate against Asian students. We arrived at the US later than most other minority races, and most of us came poorer than the poorest African American or Hispanic Americans. While African Americans were freed in the 1860s, we Asians had to endure chinese exclusion acts until 1940s, the Japanese Americans put into concentration camps when African Americans first got their GI bill. 30 years ago, we were still looked down as people who did laundrys. When we immigrated 30 years ago, we weren't eligible for food stamps, medicaid or social security because were not citizens. My dad made $900 a month and my paper delivering, new paper recycline money helped to put food on the table. But we didn't waste our energy complaining or blaming others for being poor and late arrival to the US. We just studied and worked our butts off until we made it out of the ghetto. Not saying past discriminiation is fair, but you can moan about it or you can spend that energy building a new life by studying hard. Looking as my fellow Asians, I think we got the right idea.
@@moriahwilliams340 Yet Asian Americans had even less long after that. When other minorities had GI bill, social security, Medicaid, Pell grants, we got nothing because we were not born here. We suffer the same discrimination and had even less than anyone else, but we studied and work our way up.
Even the playing field and stop the legacy enrollments. No more writing checks to buy your way into college like at Harvard. Of course, nobody attacked that part though. 🤦🏽♀️
And no one will ever be against nepotism. For some reason, people don’t understand that the biggest problem in American academia is the preference for those who donate generously to the university.
this is the general understanding in the United States and even in the world that people should be rewarded for hard work and good performance, regardless of their race or color. Working hard and doing a good job should be seen as the primary factors when it comes to awards and recognition.
"I think when it comes to kids applying in the next cycle, it's going to be hard to see themselves as someone outside of their race." Says this after extensively talking about how her entire identity is encompassed by her race prior to making this statement. The irony is astounding.
Asians are a minority in the US as well, so her minority excuse just isn't valid. She states that her identity is her race... well, I'm sure for Asians, they could say the same. Frankly, there are fewer Asians than there are Blacks and Latinos in the United States... so who really is the minority? When it comes down to it, race should NOT be a factor... because it's racist. It should be based on MERIT. I don't understand why that's such a complicated thing to grasp. Many Asians are also from low socio-economic backgrounds being immigrants themselves or children of first generation immigrants. Many Asians also face hate based on their race and racial discrimination in the US. Asians were in internment camps during WW2. Asians lived in ghettos when arriving in this country and had no rights. They built the railroads, they were indentured servants and then were deported. If you want to even things out, give students from low socio-economic backgrounds more financial aid or scholarships. There shouldn't be quotas based on RACE. It should be based on MERIT alone.
Lmao the black student is an African immigrant whose ancestors weren't slaves in America yet believes she's entitled to affirmative action. Talk about stolen valor
How about you advocate for affirmative action in the NBA? I would love to see more of my fellow Asians in the league earning millions of dollars a year. Oh yeah you aren't gonna do that because that would mean less Black players right?
If you lie about & promote the lie about being the grandchild of an African Slave then you’d lie about anything. We are not African. We are Americans. Only Racist still equate their skintone with a slave from Africa. There are no longer Racial Integrity Laws, Blood Quantum Laws, Christian Black Codes, Christian Slave Codes, Jim Crow Laws. Defacto Racism Is Systemic Racism. No Person rather Corporate or Natural has the legal and lawful authority to enforce Racial Integrity Laws for influence and or profit. NOTICE TO AGENT. NOTICE TO PRINCIPLE. FROM: AMERICAN INDIAN EMPOWERMENT PAC 901 FORT WAYNE AVE #214 INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA 46202 PUBLIC LAW 93-638, Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 (ICRA), 25 U.S.C.§§ 1301-1304 (ICRA) NOTICE TO AGENT NOTICE TO PRINCIPAL. NOTICE TO ALL LEGAL, ELECTED, APPOINTED, JURISTIC, CITIZENS, RESIDENTS, RESIDENT ALIENS, FOR PROFIT AND NON FOR PROFIT CORPORATE PERSONS, ALL OTHER NON GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES. Subject: Cease and Desist: Misclassification of Americans of American Indian and Colonial European Descent To Whom It May Concern, We, the American Indian Empowerment PAC, hereby issue this Cease and Desist notice to all legal, elected, appointed, juristic, citizens, residents, resident aliens, for-profit and non-profit corporate persons, and all other non-governmental organizations under the jurisdiction of the United States. It has come to our attention that individuals, organizations, and corporations are deliberately misclassifying Americans of American Indian and colonial European descent as "Black" or "African American" for profit. This misclassification violates treaties, constitutions, and covenants, and it is imperative that this practice be discontinued immediately. Misidentifying Americans of American Indian and colonial European descent as "Black" or "African American" erases their unique cultural heritage and history, infringing upon their right to self-determination and self-identification. The Indian Bill of Rights, Indian Civil Rights Act, and American Indian Self-determination and Education Assistance Act of 1975 were enacted to protect the rights of American Indians and colonial European descent Americans. Furthermore, treaties such as the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, the Treaty with the Cherokee, and the Treaty of Delaware were established to safeguard the sovereignty and self-determination of American Indian tribes. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States also ensure the fundamental rights of all Americans, regardless of their race or ethnicity. Additionally, the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples recognizes the right of Indigenous peoples to self-determination and the preservation of their cultural identity. By perpetuating the false belief in race and imposing the identity of "Black" or "African American" on Americans of American Indian and colonial European descent, these individuals, organizations, and corporations are promoting a caste system identity that does not exist and undermining the principles of liberty and justice for all upon which the United States of America was founded. Therefore, we demand that all social media companies, elected officials, public servants, public corporations, and their agents and partners immediately cease and desist from using terms such as FBA, Black, Afro-American, African Americans, minorities, people of color, communities of color, ADOS, or any other marketing slogan or racist term to describe and determine the identity of Americans of American Indian and colonial European descent with ruddy, tawny, brunette, fair, swarthy, and dark skin tones as "Black" or "African American." Failure to comply with this Cease and Desist notice will result in legal action to protect the rights and identities of Americans of American Indian and colonial European descent. This notice is issued under the authority of PUBLIC LAW 93-638, Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 (ICRA), 25 U.S.C.§§ 1301-1304 (ICRA). Sincerely, American Indian Empowerment PAC
The fight for civil rights by Black forefathers has paved the way for the presence of many Asian individuals in the United States today. However, it is observed that some Asians tend to adapt their stance to suit their convenience, showing solidarity with the African American community during times like the COVID-19 pandemic. The Black community remains vigilant as they witness a gradual decline in American democracy due to various foreign influences. America will inevitably face the consequences of its actions, and this cycle is likely to persist.
Shhhhhhh let's not even GO there because more than half cantt even TELL you what the difference is between race and ethnicity. The American (s) are THAT fkn Dumb
8:28 Wtf? He contradicted himself with a hard line fact that without question destroys his entire argument because he's admitting to possible bias all due to a perception which would be perceived as nothing but a stereotype in a country rooted in racism. Wow. Well, she unwittingly identified the problem in her statement which is black and Latino, and with that black folks shouldn't be advocating for anyone other than their own because black peoples history in America doesn't reflect any other demographic. Black peoples skin color is their religion, artificially created to no fault of their own due to it being a requirement for them specifically at the time of their trafficking and after just in order for them to remain among the living in a country that's designed to impair them simply for the color of their skin. Since this only seems to apply to colleges, what will be next? Also, why is there no anti-black hate crime bill but yet there's an Asian anti-hate bill? Seems like liberalism and multiculturalism outside of black people, and their issues is the very real danger which needs to be spotlighted. Why are black peoples issues being put on the same stage with someone that isn't from that race? It's a wake up call for black Americans which is to distance themselves for their own well being because their history is being used and abused by other demographics.
This is such a godsend to the Asian-American community who has been unfairly shut-out from the American dream. All they wanted was equal footing and equal opportunity in education. Now they have it.
This is a very complicated issue.. and anybody that thinks it is simple, can't see the big picture.. these two young people having an intelligent conversation about complicated issues gives me hope..
@@jeng1395mlk sure did 4 years later, I'm afraid we have a long battle, the hope is there but with a little touch of realism. Also once said im afraid I have lead my people into a burning building
The interviewee in the beginning is Nigerian American. Here are some facts about their income and education. "In 2018, Nigerian Americans had a median household income of $68,658 - higher than $61,937 for all overall U.S. households. In 2012, Nigerian Americans had a poverty rate of 12.8%, lower than the U.S. national average of 14.9% and lower than the total African American poverty rate of 27.2%". So why the group that is relatively advantaged in terms of socio-economic status and are not (unlike the native African Americans) the descendants of slaves should benefit from the affirmative action?
Her words sound so bitter and self centered and she is so young! Hopefully she grows into more understanding and kindness to others not like her. He did not seem bitter like that but he seemed to have perseverance through trial. So it seems from this, the one who did not get his way via debate is happier then the one who repeatedly has.
This 20 year-old girl is fabricating some racial victim narrative like she lived during Jim Crow or something. LOL Meanwhile she completely disregarded the lived experiences of Asians, arguably the most marginalized, least integrated, least represented race in America, who often came to America penniless without even speaking English. She needs to check her privilege!
Wow. Okay, I’m an African foreign student who studied in the US (working on getting into Harvard for a particular masters degree, John Hopkins and others were okay and I got in, but I really like this specific program) and let me tell you, I am more than ecstatic about this decision of eradicating AA. There is a clear difference in average performance between international students of minority groups vs those that are local (aka USA natives). Based on my experience and other students experiences in different states, foreign students do much better than these local students of the same race and we have an even tighter margin than Asian Americans to be accepted in a school and we all come from VARIOUS backgrounds. It was infuriating having to prove my placement in the university. Yes, I was the kind of person who was usually chilling in the late 90’s (even if I failed), published some fiction work for fun while getting rewarded for it, magazine features and had various board memberships. However, people who didn’t know me or my achievements would judge me purely on my race - and affirmative action affected me (and other internationals) negatively by shoving me into a privileged beam of light that was not even there to begin with. Some genuinely well-rounded African Americans even stated this absurdity as well. It’s ridiculous to be honest. Other countries only accept the best so why should America cripple itself to cater to those who are honestly incompetent. Majority of those who are admitted through AA and don’t actually have what it takes fail out or struggle unnecessarily. Honestly, life will never be fair and, if you can’t swallow that fact and play your cards right and work hard and smart, just know you are destined to get the short end of the stick. Otherwise, we’d all be billionaires. Anyway, I’m more than happy with this ruling. Now getting in will be purely on those with evidence of great potential. May the odds be in your favour because I have nothing to fear really. I know my limits and use that to my advantage pretty wisely. Then again, I come from a very competitive background so I’m used to this.
You sound Nigerian honestly. I went to a competitive university, and I will say that the majority of African (white or black) HATE African Americans. You can try to write an entire novel about your experience but the TRUTH is that the majority of people in academia for some reason HATE African Americans for no other reason that they hate African Americans. As a mixed race Native American and African American, I was treated the worst by the African students at my university who often joked that the students from my demographic where only there based on their status as the 13%.
@@FinanceNation It is a made up word. It doesn't mean anything. White privileges', black privileges', etc. If you sit your ass and do nothing, and do drugs. You will failed. what privileges are you?
College applications should be a student number and GPA no other identifying factors. That would away with much of the discrimination, not all but a great portion. I applaud the Supreme Court’s decision today.
Affirmative action is stupid to use for rich & privileged minorities. If they have all that edge but still can't cut it, they're wasted space. That being said, with the removal of affirmative action, if a larger percentage of enrollment were allocated to merit earned scholarships, for the sake of diversity, and paid for by the alumni of successful minority graduates, that would be swell. If there aren't enough alumni to get things kickstarted, then a fund or charity sponsered by the governments of those minorities, Noble Peace Prize, the Science Council, a probono law fund, even regular peeps who want to donate a little for future role models, etc, could maybe work. This could all just be a white assertion flex and facade, and the existing majority of toppers don't honestly want diversity. If you want to flush out an honest answer, have it funded strictly by alumni and see how much money you raise.
The young guy speaks from a perspective that will lift him up in life he will understand that approach to race is not going to hurt his success. The african american girl has projects this lack mentally that no matter how much opportunities shed be given its will never be enough to proclaim success only based on achievements disregarding the race. If if its her genuine feeling towards race it is a learned behavior from her environment thats ultimately going to hurt her
Asians and African Americans have two different experiences. She will jump through hoops no matter what it takes regardless of the difference, fair and unfair. Knowing where she stand in the equation will quarantee her success.
Colleges can now discriminate against black/brown people. Before they had to level the playing field with different minority groups, this gave people with low income, disabilities, or minority disadvantages a chance to participate in competitive colleges....but now, they can choose specifically who they want in there colleges. Rather than adhering to "affirmative action" for a diverse community...they don't have to anymore...I don't know wtf your talking about. The asian is wrong
It should not be a criteria on race, money, connections, donor-ship, name, political affiliation, religion etc etc etc, admission should be purely on educational merit only, that’s purist education. Control these education institutions public or private to to be fair.
It's simple. No one wants the affirmative action doctor operating on the. For the simple fact that I will never be able to tell if you're the hardest working minority or the only minority that applied, and they have to accept you. As a minority I understand and agree that inequality is everywhere, but I shouldn't be given something I didn't work hard for. I also do understand that there are universities and employers that don't hire minority employees unless they are forced to. Myself. I don't want to be anywhere that I'm not welcome.
Doctors won’t be able to practice if they aren’t qualified and don’t go through years of monitoring and testing to ensure they’re ready. Have you never heard of residency? You don’t graduate med school and then magically get a job to start operating on people. Please don’t use talking points that don’t match up with reality.
What do you call the doctor that graduated at the bottom of their class? "Doctor." I do understand what you are saying by avoiding employers who do not want to hire people of certain groups, but they are not legally forced to, rather, they can be sued if the person of said group can prove they weren't hired due to being a part of this group, (being over 40, a veteran, being a born female, disabled, chronic illnesses such as HIV, or a racial minority.) From my understanding employers can receive tax credits for hiring people who fall under these groups.
There are some people who was under AA who went to Harvard and graduated at the top of their class. What you saying is extremely dangerous. You act like these children were getting 2.0s. Some people were well over 4.0.
Both students responded succinctly to the Supreme Court's ruling ending affirmative action in college admissions. One student said it was a "hard" decision that would have a negative impact on minority students. The other said the ruling highlighted the need for alternative solutions to address the issue of diversity in college admissions.
There can be 2 different universities. One university for meritorious students and another for diversity university. I, as a patient, will go for a meritorious doctor. I, as a traveler, will take an airline that employs meritorious pilots.
They should have different universities to serve different IQ individuals: 1. being the highest 10. being the dumbest That way everybody knows where they should belong. Don't reward lowly IQ individual at the highest if they can't compete. In fact, you're not doing them a favor....they would not be comfortable EVEN if they get in. You can't throw a hellish person into heaven and expect them not to writhe in pain before they start diving (head first) back into hell where they belong.
I’m sorry, but was she serious when she said that this update to the law will make colleges put race at the forefront of their decision making process? That’s literally the opposite of what’s happening. Y’all chose a poor representative for this argument
No she said that student will now have to write more specifically about how race affected their experience growing up. Since race can’t be considered, personal struggles can, so that’s the way to get “around it”.
@@MMmzuzu So she'll have to explicitly describe how she was disadvantaged because of the color of her skin instead of having the admissions officer just assume she was disadvantaged because of the color of her skin. Oh, the horror!
@@freddyt55555 i don’t think they were necessarily denying that, they were just filling in the blank where I had a misunderstanding. Realistically yeah, if a student still wants to use their race as a reason for hardship, then they just need to write about it now vs have it be assumed. I think this is how things should be though. If you truly have had a harder modern life due to your race, then putting that in your essay should be totally fine. But the idea that colleges will just accept anybody based on race due to preconceived ideas of hardship, then we take away from the people who truly work to make a life for themselves in this world.
Above all I really appreciate that ABC and Muir gave Asian Americans a voice on this debate unlike other news outlets. This is a deeply personal issue to a lot of people either as students or as parents and almost everyone will be biased because of their personal experiences. Giving people of all sides a voice without judgement is the best we can do.
No one cares about Asians that stands against diversity
Honestly, I'm shocked that Asian-Americans finally got a voice in this debate.
I will never understand why so many Asian-Americans vote Democrat a.k.a. the anti-Asian party
Almost everyone will be baised based on personal experience? that is bullshiyt. you assume we all don't yave the ability to use discernment. this isn't an opinion. there is truth and there are lies. End of story. my race should not be a factor in my admissions. this shouldn't be up for debate. it's common sense.
We as a society have somehow come to the understanding that racism is ok when it is done to this group but not that, for whatever reason "progress" is no longer about equality for all but rather equality for the select few while oppression is ok for others. In 50 years people will look back on today and realize with horror the kind of racism that was casually thrown around in the name of diversity.
Bringing merit back to schools is a historically great decision.
Schools were never solely a merit based system...
@@shelbysycamore637 Merit based systems have never existed and never will. Many people get into positions of privilege and power based on Nepotism Family always Brings in family and friends. Schools should not be targeting race alone but also children that come from very poor backgrounds that show a propensity for high academic achievement.
@@eduardomaldonado1647 I agree, though I would say race can be factored out at this point. If we took into account social economic backgrounds and other common pitfalls that would help racial minorities that have suffered from inequality as well.
@@eduardomaldonado1647Whites and Asians have their applications denied regularly
@eduardomaldonado1647 It just so happens that they are the most intelligent races. It's not a coincidence
I'm happy that Asian applicants no longer need to score 140 higher on the SAT than a white applicant to have the same admission opportunities at an elite university. FJB
White applicants are sad that Asian applicants won't be rejected so they can get a chance at a good university experience and networking opportunities
Get over yourself, lol, that isn't true.
Exactly. Let the chips fall where they may. Evolution is merit based. It always will be.
True. White peeps used to be against affirmative action when it hurt them (Whites vs Blacks). Then they suddenly changed their minds when it came to Whites vs Asians (and they were the ones who got the advantage of affirmative action). Don't be hypocritical.
@@Play4Vida The 140 points statistic comes from a book called "No longer separate, not yet equal"
“I would have to write about my traumas” yeah, welcome to the admissions process for everyone else.
Yep, that is very true!
Generally, white people don’t go through the same unfortunate situations as black people. Let’s be frank and honest here.
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The sense of entitlement is disgusting.
Shouldn’t people be judged on the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin?
Some want black privilege
@@buffalobill1415 Well,, you have had "white privilege' SINCE 1492. Just sayin' that maybe you can understand that others have suferred due to racism/bigotry
@@jwbjpb1338 Ah, the white privelege card is played. You do realize that not considering race includes ALL races, right?
The Democrat party doesn't believe that and they never did.
@@oprrrah3498 please tell me you understand racism and how it still exists because white privilege still exists and note that the GOP is constantly oppressing anyone not white enough
I have to admit that I agree with the Supreme Court ruling. It's time we look at merit, hard work, and academic performance rather than color and ethnicity. When you reward someone with college entrance on race or ethnicity and not on merit you create within these students an attitude of entitlement that will NOT serve them well in the real world.
No one cares what race their surgeon is, only that they are qualified at what they do. It about time the courts ended this nonsense.
Amen
They still graduate , so they were qualified, This is to reinforce white supremacy
Unfortunately, your statement doesn't stand in Michael Jackson's favor.
@@linguadesogra5287 make sense dimwit
Bravo Alex!!!! It's so rare to see a main stream news network give an Asian American an opportunity to voice opinions that represent so many Asian Americans' true thoughts on this matter. Thank you Alex, from the bottom of my heart, for your courage to speak the unpopular truth that many people much older than you cannot say out loud, and for representing! Discrimination against Asians is DISCRIMINATION on the basis of race, it is no less unfair and upsetting just because it is done under a different label. Acknowledging the discrimination against Asian students in the college entrance context is not pitting minorities against each other (an argument often made in main stream media as if Asians can be fooled into silence and submission and not recognize that such an argument is just a distraction from the real issue), it's correcting something that is clearly wrong!! Imposing a racial quota on Asians is wrong!!
I thought Asians and Indians made up majority of the minority students at these universities. How does affirmative action affect you when you are already majority being let in. Kids of rich parents get in which is fine but blaming black people for taking one or two spots is absurd and is an issue developed by very selfish people who disregard the efforts we have put in to enable everyone. If this was really an issue, then you have the wrong target.
Do you think "discrimination against asians" will suddenly be remedied lol
@@GranolaBars11 It won't, but it's a start; similar to the successes of other civil rights movements in the past.
In this case, it's a shame that the issue successfully pitted the average Asian view against the average Black view when things like legacy admissions should be fairly common ground, but eh.
@@GranolaBars11 Do you think having less of other minorities and more of Asians who are already the majority will reduce discrimination?
@@kaboyodaniel3630 A lot of unsupported assumptions there. Asians are not the majority, first of all. Asians should not put up with obvious discrimination against Asians because of the faulty logic that it will not reduce discrimination generally. If fixing one disease won't cure all diseases, should efforts to fix that one disease just stop?
My step-son is an immigrant. He came over from the Philippines as a student who was near the top of his class at a private high school and at a college as well. He was offered no scholarships so he went to a junior college by working at Target during the day and going to school at night. After he got his 2 year degree he was offered a job at Target as a robot mechanic. He started at $26/hr. Four years later he makes $46/hr. But John Deere was hiring their robot repairman away from them so Target raised their salary to 47.5/hr to match John Deere. My step-son also joined the Army reserve and is leaning diesel mechanics and will have his college paid for by both Target and the Army as he works toward the higher degrees. He didn't whine because other minorities got scholarships he might have been more qualified for. He went to work and succeeded on his own. Some say this "cannot be done." But he did it. I contributed only $6,000 to his education. He didn't need any more he said.
That’s a great story….👀🇺🇸☺️
Amazing story! He has the right spirit.
What a good kid! And you are a great father 👍🏻
@@windsorhamilton8012 I give his mother most of the credit.
Congratulations to your son, but why didn’t he do it while he was in the Philippines? I bet it’s because he faced a lot of challenges there. Guess what? People here face the exact same challenges he had there. Your son was lucky because he was able to get away from his previous life. The people here can’t.
Can you imagine how it would be if we apply the same “equal opportunity for underprivileged groups” to NFL, NBA? Imagine putting significant amount of Asians, Latinos, Whites to the team just because we want the equal opportunities for all. Imagine how the game will change drastically.
It’s simple. Best players will get to play in the best league. It’s because they worked hard for it and earned it. Coming from an underprivileged background should not be a deciding factor. Same knowledge should apply to schools and society. You need to earn it. Not asking for it just because.
What about the draft system in the NBA and the NFL? Why do they allow the teams that did the worse last season to pick first?
@@edwinlucianofrias1643 because they want fierce competition? Giving the Pole Position to the number 1 team could reduce viewership over time if losing teams this year don't win next year.
Your comments are so devastating and unfair. You broke my dream😢 I want affirmative action in NBA. Although I am only 5’8”, I can play as a starter. I have to…
In a homogeneous society it makes sense but America is not homogeneous.
@@Knightx392 Homo or Heterogeneity shouldn't matter bc America has racial equality, meaning organizations cannot discriminate based on race in any setting. Organizations should be race blind but, somehow it is okay for Harvard to do it. If we want to be fair we have to be fair all across the board, you can't pick and choose what favors one group.
Now, I understand black and Hispanics family traditionally are at a disadvantage when it comes to not having enough resources to help their kids achieve more in school. This is an issue for the state and federal govt to solve, to provide equal resources to inner city schools vs suburban counterparts. It can also be culture, traditionally Asian cultures emphasize education more so than black or Hispanic families. Whatever the case may be, you have to foster more qualified Hispanic and black students Not penalize Asian students. It is certainly, not up to Harvard to be the judge.
You can't be for equality and then discriminate against a another group based on thier color. Color shouldn't define us
Ecclesiastes 10:1-10
1 As dead flies give perfume a bad smell, so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor.
2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the LEFT.
3 Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are.
You’re right. It should be based on THEIR ability to spell correctly.
@Shane_Conrad hey, some of us can't afford auto correct, all right.
Who is discriminating against who ?
my understanding is the applicants that get in to Harvard w/ affirmative action are quite brilliant as well. There is a myth they are not. AA just keeps the school more evenly diverse, which well when you have so many qualified applicants who should all get in why is it so horrible to use diversity as a factor? There are other great schools besides Harvard and it is not necessary to go to harvard or other ivy leagues to be successful.
They all sound like Asians were never discriminated against. If racism still exists, please give Asians more opportunities. If racism does not exist any more, then AA should go.
That's because whites and asians can't experience racism, only wokes can..
Who said Asians weren't discriminated against? I am sure they Asians are benefiting from Affirmative Action as well.
@@robertcheek4326 Asians benefiting from AA? How?
I applied to college in 1988, affirmative action stopped applying to Asians in 1985. If affirmative action applied to Asians back then, I would have made it into more elite colleges!
@@18890426 contrary to popular believe.. Asians are considered POC… and as such would’ve benefited from both Racial and Gender Affirmative Action. Let’s not get holier than tho and act like Asians aren’t POC.
“I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by their character.”
Way to take it out of context! Good for you. Feel better about yourself now...bring the minority down and the white person up as it has been and so on....(sarcasm)
Yeah well he was straight so he is privileged thus his opinions are invalid. -Blue haired person
Spoiler alert, they were being judged by the content of their character the whole time.
Martin luther king was for affirmative action and also said "socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor"
I am GLAD, as a black woman, they’re putting restrictions on affirmative action in regards to schooling. Though I agree with the young lady about race (sadly) being a huge part of our identity, I agree with the young man that it’s uncomfortable to think of being accepted into a program solely on our skin color and the need for “inclusion.” I had a few teachers in the past hint around at how impressed they were to see somebody like me perform so well academically. It’s even more insulting for bigots to assume we’re only being accepted because of our skin instead of our brains. I worked hard for what I earned! I only hope to see more of this change in society. POC are not feeble; we don’t need handouts!
Agreed!
Sadly the affirmative action benefits primarily the people from overseas who grew up differently than African Americans. The Duke student in this video is an example of who is really benefiting from it. She probably didn’t go through discrimination when she grew up in Nigeria because of her skin color. Strong chance she is from a wealth family there.
@tillnothingleft what makes you say she wasn't raised in the US? Chances are she was born and raised in this country. I know a huge number of black people whose families immigrated two generations ago.
None of these black and Latino kids are being accepted solely based on race. That is the con job that America has done for decades. I know MANY kids that have gone to prestigious Universities and those kids earned their position and were very successful at those institutions. America is STill a very racist nation, but it isn't because of black and Lation people...
I never got anything from affirmative action and bigots still assume that. Meanwhile the white kids were sleeping with the professor to get their grades up. I really don't know why ppl act like this is about merit, you have always as a black person needed top notch merit to get ahead. Even then, We still expect to be underestimated no matter how qualified we actually are.
Affirmative Action is Systematic Racism. This is an undisputed fact by very definition. History has always taught us never to right a wrong with another wrong.
If you're not good enough get better, don't force people to lower their standards.
It’s not lowering standards. White students are given opportunities that they could never truly achieve with out their race…. Exhibit A george bush….
I see...just change my skin from black to white somehow...and be better to you....
@@FinanceNationjust get better. I give up at least 5 hours a day for my studies to be top 5% of my school. I don’t see how being black stop them from doing that too with the internet and school provided laptops.
@@AnonymousSap You can't see what you already have because you choose not to. I have a Master Degree I completed November 2017...What you have is an inert offering of acceptance... treatment...judgement because of whiteness...you ignored the content and the accuracy of my comment but..
It begins and ends at that change my genetics to caucasian and be better and seen as better. FACT
@@FinanceNationoh my God, stop with the bs victim playing! We are not buying it!
Love how the second guest spoke, beautifully eloquent and correct! Sometimes programs like these end up doing people a disservice.. Asian Americans often work extremely hard and shouldn't be pushed aside for a different minority
The stats showcase that most people aren't accepted because of Legacy kids and rich kids who have parents that can donate millions to the schools. Affirmative Action was enforcing laws to not discriminate against Non White people. Asian Americans were too stupid to grasp that it wasn't Black students, it was the Legacy students who hold over 40% of these elite schools positions.
There is a saying in China. The baby who cries loud gets milk. So true
Yes, that aspect of AA wasn't much different than the racial cap Ivies used to have on Jewish students, out of prejudice. It's just "we can't have to many Asian students here. If we don't limit them, they'll flood in because their culture values studying." now.
However, African Americans still face unfair and often unconscious racial bias that might manifest itself in admission decisions, and I'm sympathetic to how this policy was meant to balance that out a bit.
The biggest problem perhaps was how it lumped Asian American students together. Two immigrants from Asia could be from vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds. Some Asian countries or regions within are very poor. Their children then might grow up with different conditions and opportunities.
I wish they could somehow reform and modernize the policy than completely ban it. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater in regards to helping African Americans overcome very real and often unconscious racial bias.
I don’t get the problem here.
Why would people want to be judged on their race?
Isn’t that the very definition of racism.
Because going by test scores is by definition racist. Wealth equals tests scores
Because some people want privilege.
Because people don't want equality anymore. They want victimization and special privledges.
Because their stupid
Clearly you do not understand what happens when racism gets to raise its ugly head
I can appreciate how this Brown Univ prospect expresses his true feelings rather than look sad and attempt to portray himself as someone who really has supported affirmative action but has not always agreed how it has been implemented. In other words, he isn't two-faced.
Let’s say you were bleeding out really bad from your arm. You call an ambulance. Someone sees you and offers to wrap your arm with their shirt to negate some of the bleeding, you have nothing to wrap it with yourself. Would you refuse the shirt, saying “I don’t need that, the ambulance is on its way,” or would you use the shirt until the ambulance got there to provide better care?
@@nbeutler1134Who exactly are you replying to? The comment had nothing to do with taking advantage of opportunity
@@adamromero5725 I replied to the wrong comment
Great debate. As an Asian American, we are a smaller minority than African Americans with even less representation yet we earn the highest income. Affirmative Action has also worked against Asian Americans because too many of us were getting into Harvard. You cannot always blame the system and look for handouts. Instead, dig deep and forge your own path forward. Our parent's generation sacrificed everything for us without being fluent in English. The opportunity is there but nobody is gonna give it to you.
Biden gave you legislation. When your ancestors were put in camps they received reparations so please stop with the comparisons. Your families and complete identities were not taken from you by this country and never repaired
Before you brag about Asians earning higher income than African Americans, why don't you open your eyes fully and read a history book.
Go try to understand how segregation/racism in the education system and wider society has hurt African Americans to this day.
basically you're saying black people are dumb. I really don't know what you want to achieve by saying that. Keep working with white supremacists , but don't come crying back to us when they come after you cause eventually they will .
EDIT: not to mention you're only here because of the civil rights movement what a betrayal.
Could you explain how White Americans are possibly taking the spots away from Asian Americans if they aren't expected to achieve the same test scores and grades as Asian Americans next?
@@shelbysycamore637 Legacy students.
I have to say that I totally agree with Alex.
This is a major win for the Asian community! I wonder what impact this ruling will have on legacy admissions?
None because it was easier to go after black and brown admissions instead of tackling the real discriminatory legacy system. Rich white kids are never going to get rejected
No impact since legacy admissions are not determined by race.
No, its a win for America as a whole not just Asian.
Aligning yourself with white supremacists and distancing yourself with black and brown people ain't smart. This day won't be forgotten.
@@oneviwatara9384 Not if you look at the immediate beneficiaries.
I’m not sure where I stand on this debate but the male student has a stronger argument here
Well, she shouldn't have to compete with an Asian male in this debate or college admissions. That's the whole issue. /s
"Under represented minority"she said. WHILE ENROLLED TO DUKE UNIVERSITY
Why is it hard to be black in America? Seriously?
Funny thing is she is not even African American. She said herself she is from Nigeria. This is exactly what happens in colleges. Half of blacks in Ivy are from Africa, not America. It primarily benefits wealthy families in Africa which does disservice to both African countries and black Americans
It doesn't matter if colleges are lacking people of color or if they're filled with them. What matters is that EVERY STUDENT in them is there because of their knowledge and academic achievements and skills etc. Not focusing on the race of ANY student to be accepted into school is how it should be everywhere. School is about learning, not what you look like or where you come from. Or that's how it should be. People shouldn't be accepted so that a quota is met.
Oh really? So you think it would be okay for the prestigious colleges to only have white and/or Asian students.
GWB attended Yale and he was a C student. That debunks your argument that those in ivy league schools are all academically gifted and deserve to be there. Many are there only because they are white and are from wealthy families.
Aren't Asians People of Color too?
Respectfully, you're expressing an ideal situation. The real world doesn't care if you deserve or have earned your place. The rules are not the same for everyone; not the same for minorities in the real world. Racism is real. Kids from poor communities need these safeties to be able to ensure they at least have a chance to continue higher education. Not just for them, but also for the children of privilege, to learn to tolerate differences when they meet other cultures in their campuses, and later in life.
@@WeirdBarbiesBoyfriend Except the safeties are not for kids from poor communities.
They are safeties for minority kids from poor communities.
There are way more poor white kids going to subpar high schools than there are poor minority kids, but nobody cares about the poor white kids.
It's all about skin color and votes, not economic disparity. And people like yourself have bought into the narrative without using your critical thinking skills.
How do you address the educational inequality in elementary to high school. If you went private you can walk into most prestigious colleges but if you are from a redlined urban or underfunded rural school district how do you get a chance? Is education is for the wealthy only?
Don't forget the Chinese exclusion act wasn't abolished till the 1943, Japanese Americans were put in camps in the 40s the majority of Vietnamese in America in the 70s 80s are refugees who came to the US with literally nothing. Yet many of them prove to you through hard work, you can get to the top, not through their race!
He was extremely well spoken. One thing that we can all agree is that money is the biggest factor towards success. How you deal with trauma is a characteristic. If it empowers you to do better that’s great. But if you play victim you are limiting yourself. I’d be so disappointed to know that I only got the college because of something out of my control and not through work. Same as when I’m told I’m only successful because I’m white. All of your hard work, sweat and effort over looked. It’s time to judge on merit and work to better ourselves as an individual
So did she but you don’t care about that.
@@griffinbenjamin3150 I acknowledged him because he was confident and precise. I’m not doubting her as a person, for her to be in an ivy school is an amazing accomplishment and I’m saddened that she accounts it to her race. We are at a time where we are so divided it’s creating more problems than helping. Everyone needs to come together and see that both sides are trying to pin us against each other. Nothing can get done if we don’t work together. This is a change where both sides can actually relate for once. It’s what we needed to come together. We’re all under one nation and when we get rid of this hatred for even open minded people, we can move forward.
@@griffinbenjamin3150she was well spoken but incorrect.
"How you deal with trauma is a characteristic. If it empowers you to do better that’s great. But if you play victim you are limiting yourself."
well said!
@@nondeterministic I was a young boy being sexually abused by my brother and physically by my father. Im 23 now and came from nothing and now I have a good life with a beautiful girlfriend and we are both successful. It was hard to live with the burden of the trauma that I’ve faced but through it, I became a person of good values. My brothers on the other hand let it plague their minds and battle with it subconsciously every day. I never looked for peoples acknowledgment of what had happened to me, I let it motivate me to become who I am
Great points, Alex! School admission should be based on achievements and academics and not a race game to lower the bars.
You do know what you stated has never been true…my father was denied his GI Bill solely based on his color…Tennessee was still Segregated in 1957 when he got out the Army.
What you are saying is blacks and Latinos to the back of line and Asians and whites to the front.
@@creekboie3277 that’s no what I said at all. What I said is merit and merit only should be the standard of the line.
@@seansimms6693 One problem, that happened in 1957...
My wife and I are of different race. Why should our children be forced to decide and check boxes, or worse, be evaluated by someone else's perception about their race?
Because this is America. It took a war to end slavery, civil rights protests and court cases to strike down segregation LAWS and enact civil rights laws..
I mean what are they going to put on their driver's license. What's on their birth certficate? These are the questions that you have to ask the government as they legally require them.
@@kjdnyhmghfvb You see it that simple? Really? So you make them or better yet the parents to deicide for them at birth? Alike "hmm, this one looks like xyz, so let's call it that way"? What an f'd up mentality.
Also, I know of countries, where it is illegal for the government to ask such a questions. Have you ever wondered how those societies can exist?
go Alex!! well said
It is long overdue. Affirmative action has been racism for a very long time. Admission should be by merit and grades for everyone. Work hard and get good grades. That goes for everyone.
You and people like you choose to ignore the facts: ALL colleges choose from a POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. They have always done that. However, Black students were OVER LOOKED AND ADMITTED EVEN IF THEY HAD THE QUALIFICATIONS. Affirmative Action was a way for QUALIFIED BLACK students to be admitted when otherwise THEY WOULD NOT HAVE.
@@kellyi.4353 Are you going for a record?
@@kellyi.4353Literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Why does race matter? Focus on everyone regardless of race. You literally made the assumption that blacks can’t get in on their own. That’s sickening
Women make up over 60% of college students
@@kellyi.4353Total garbage, where are you getting this nonsense from? Affirmative action helps many black people that are not qualified for the course they desire, for fcks sake do some research
Why no affirmative action in college/ professional sports, and also in entertainment and politics?
Affirmative Actions were put in place based on some statistics that Black and Hispanic students do not have access, privileges, money, opportunity, etc compare to White students. Thus, they dont have a higher test score.
However, when Asian Americans started to migrate more and more, this narrative is broken. Asian immigrants face as much hardship if not more as any other minority in North America. Examples: language barriers, poor, ghetto neighborhoods, racism, etc. Yet with hard work Asian students are always top of the class IN SPITE of that.
So students that used to be benefited from Affirmative Actions. Ask yourself this: are you going to work harder to get to where you want? Or are you going to give up and blame society or the government?
lol why was the first girl's whole argument just that shes a victim
because that's the narrative that black people are taught to believe and if you tell them they're actually privileged, they call you "racist"
Wow, both of these young people did really good in this debate. Very smart and articulate. It gave me a little more hope in our younger generation in regard to education. I'd say they did a lot better than most people who come on as guest speakers. I appreciated this segment.
I think she shouldn’t be the representative. It weakened her case because she came from Nigeria. It shows who were the beneficiaries of this - primarily the rich people from overseas countries, not African Americans. She constantly mentions all the disasters as an African American but she is Nigerian who grew up in a different country. How could she tell lies? She lost the credibility
Thanks for pointing that out, but it was aside my point.
@@user-uskxnfiw729 I agree with you.
Public info shows she grew up in a neighborhood with an A- overall grade and #10 in best places to raise a family in that particular county. Median home value is $464,500 and home ownership is 91%… from what she said about her upbringing, you’d think she was from the hood in Baltimore or something.
Maybe that's why she is for affirmative action. She has everything plus affirmative action.
According to the 2008-2012 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, 61.4% of Nigerian Americans aged 25 years or older hold a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.5% of the total U.S. population.
I don't think she's under-represented.
Yes because African immigrants are selected in their immigration applications.
Nigerian isn’t African American in terms of legacy
So what you are saying is you didn't have to work this hard before? Now you have to compete based on equal footing and you are upset?
The male student I think did a great job here
Weird how they dont talk about black colleges that dont give opportunities to other minorities
That's not the subject of this, so not talking about that... seems normal
@@oprrrah3498 so how diversified are those schools? How many races are admitted each year??? I'm pretty sure AA means to have diversity...
@@oprrrah3498AA is about diversity and acceptance is it not? or is it just anti white / asian people
Except Black colleges do accept other races. That should change after this ruling but it won't so you can have your safe white spaces and still invade ours.
because "Black colleges" (HBCUs I think you mean) don't have a history of racial discrimination. I doubt you can even cite one example. Their existence and demographic makeup is due to racial discrimination from predominately white schools. Look at West Virginia State University - an HBCU that isn't even 13% Black you think they are biased against white people?
Well I know for sure which one of those students I would choose to be my doctor
You won't have that choice until at least 8 years from now. There are many affirmative action students who are in med school right now because of their race.
No silvers for me.
Pay attention to people leaving comments on all these videos responding and reacting to this ruling. Id say it's a large majority that are reacting positively to this ruling. But the media is spinning it and saying its a terrible thing. Thats called gaslighting.
I guess that means people are actually going to have to use their brains instead of relying on the color of their skin....🙄
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You and people like you choose to ignore the facts: ALL colleges choose from a POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. They have always done that. However, Black students were OVER LOOKED AND ADMITTED EVEN IF THEY HAD THE QUALIFICATIONS. Affirmative Action was a way for QUALIFIED BLACK students to be admitted when otherwise THEY WOULD NOT HAVE.
@@kellyi.4353 calm down everyone has a right to there opinion lol
@@Letty-q3hclarifying doesn’t mean she’s doing anything wrong or needs to calm down. She’s explaining.
We all know using your brains and winning on talent are white and asian traits which is the problem. Paying attention in school is racist, they know that..
High courts got it right. Equal opportunity for everyone based on merit
should have struck down legacy admissions too then
@@audenharper3014legacy admissions are not under the purview of the Supreme Court, obviously
Equal opportunity is provides equal opportunity but racist systems and all the closet racists in the comments....well that support keeping white privilege...that is gentrification
Admission is based on merit. Having diversity is important. The US is a melting pot and college should relect that
Yes, there is still discrimination, and there always will be. It is not always against Minorities. Personally, I believe it has a lot more to do with social class. But that's another story. You never know what any individual has gone through in their life.. The only way to know is for them to tell you. That should not be a surprise. And I'm absolutely positive that there are plenty of minority people who had perfectly acceptable or even privileged lives. On the opposite end i know there are majority citizens that were not given any more advantage than a minority. Proving that special treatment based on any one or few characteristics is not the answer. There were and are laws that prohibit discrimination based on solely color, religion, sex etc... calling out infractions on this and enforcing discrimination laws was and still is the only honorable answer. RACISM based on affirmative action is still RACISM and will never be the right path.
But there's no laws on classicism
@Play4Vida I can't tell if that was sarcastic. Anyway, as long as the rules are the same for everybody. You have nothing to complain about. Affirmative action makes the rules unfair
I didn’t have a white teacher with light brown hair and hazel eyes. That’s probably why I don’t get accepted at Harvard. Absolutely zero thought goes into that supposition.
Hmm... funny that Asians seem to do very well in school in American schools despite there being almost no Asian teachers.
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I applaud this decision by the court! It’s about time applicants be judged on their merits and their character! We need to get the best of the best into STEM programs and get more qualified individuals into those jobs!
I also realize that everyone is going to have some sort of bias just like Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said in her dissenting opinion. But at the end of the day, colleges need to start admiring the best of the best. I don’t care what race they are, I care if they are going to work hard, get their degrees, get into the workforce and make a name for themselves.
And be good citizens and help others.
Let's pretend that this isn't a decision based on race. Now schools will be able to legally to only accept students in legacies, and whom parents can pay off the schools with donations.
If this were true, then why are legacy admissions not on the cutting board too. We know that also rich students are given preferential treatment regarding admissions.
@richieheard4989 let's get that lawsuit going as well. No more pandering to anybody
I agree with the ruling. I also agree that legacy admissions should be cut out aswell. No special treatment for anybody. You get out of life what you put into it. If you work hard you will have some degree of sucess. If you do the bare minimum it will yeild the bare minimum results. I am so damn tired of people using their race as an excuse. I know plenty of people from all walks of life that are successful and I also know people from all walks of life that are not successful but they put forth minimal effort. They never try to do anything to better themselves. I am 43 years old and I have a somewhat comfortable life. I did not go to college so I took the long way to get where I am at. I have friends that made it years before I did. That is nobodies fault but my own. Take responsibility for your own actions and how they effect your quality of life. Quit crying cause your life sucks and do something to change it. Here in Ga you can go to any technical college for free if you maintain a certain grade point average plus there are free federal grants to pay for your supplies. There is no reason you cant better yourself.
Shouldn't any civilization be recruiting the best minds and the most capable to ensure the society to carry-on. Why should the US colleges and universities be recruiting a huge number of under-qualified or just pure under achievers to fill the spots that can be better served for our country? No other countries in the world do this! You think Japan, Korea recruits a bunch of under-qualified individuals for their college spots?
Not an appropriate comparison, these countries do not have a history of immigration movement. Take a look at their racial structure/component. However, I agree that educational resources should be rewarded to hardworking individuals.
Why are you assuming that these folks are under qualified? Is it because they are not White. For folks in the back of the room..AA Candidates are technically qualified. The only difference is skin color vs white male counterparts. Again, designed to combat the Old Boys Network.
Exactly. This is why we're already having issues keeping up our national infrastructure. Somebody else built it all and we can't even maintain it. But as long as everybody feels good
@@jacobli1926Yes, a better comparison would be Singapore.
@jacobli1926 try brazil, they offer free college and it doesn't lead to more benefits. You need a college degree to work retail
I’m mixed Cambodian Filipino Chinese Vietnamese American and whenever I have to fill out college and grad program applications, I always have to checkmark by default that I’m Cambodian because I know that affirmative action will pile me and compare me against East Asians who have a larger population and are more well known and have more opportunities than Southeast Asians. This is a nuanced discussion regarding sub ethnic groups that need more spotlight also and are often not talked about when it comes to affirmative action.
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Legacy admissions is the problem not Affirmative Action
I am pleased to see that ABC News Anchor Muir is giving the young minority students for the debate - Asian American and African American students are expressing their heartfelt views through their young lifetime experiences. Hope to see more... Very inspiring!
Would be nice if he would have simply asked her to elaborate on "the trauma and how hard it is to be black in America" she wouldn't know what to say cuz nobody ever asks
@@fartface5172"Waaa... some white girl in 6th grade tried to touch my hair... waaa... that's TRAUMA!" Trust me, she would have made up some word salad about colonization, white supremacy and underfunded schools (despite the fact that mostly black school districts in America have among the highest budgets per student enrolled).
All I heard from the young lady at the beginning was “I can no longer expect to just get by because I’m black, I now actually have to earn my place and so does everyone else”
Admissions officers are going to tire of "I've been disadvantaged by slavery and racism" essays.
It's true though if you claim otherwise explain the disparities.( between races)
As a black American I hate to be the one to point out that the woman who spoke first is from Nigerian immigrant parents, she said. Her family was not part of the struggle for equality in America. I'm sure they came after the heavy lifting was done. I don't see her argument as credible.
Ending AA will not benefit Asian students in short or long run. Top schools have never looked only at grades and they know when you joined the debate club in your senior year to fluff up your resume.
The supreme court decision is a good decision because it takes the "I did not get in because I'm not black" complaint off the table. Now those high scoring Asians, who still will not get in will just have to say "I did not get in because my essay and the world view it exposed, was not compelling enough." Harvard's freshman class is 24% Asian. If you did not get in, it's probably moe than just you not being black. Your presentation sucked.
Nobody is impressed with the kid who spent 12 years with his head in the books and never applied what he learned in a meaningful way to his life. This is opposed to a kid who also got very good grades but did more in launching a business, demonstrating passion for a meaningful cause by their actions and contributions or making a difference in the world already.
Some good test-taking Asians will still be rejected. They'll just have to find another excuse as to why.
Why does a teacher have to "look like you" for you to be able to learn from them? Ive never understood that. My teachers wer all different nationalities but that had nothing to do with anything at all!!!!!!
Next The Supreme Court needs to Rule on the Work Industry & make sure jobs are given on Merit/Skill Set, not Sex or Race!
Merits and merits only….colleges MUST evaluate an individual’s past performance to determine future performance. The entire reason for a college is to educate and motivate. Name, DOB, SSN, zip code, ect ect should not be included on a college application until admission decision had been validated by MERIT!!
Good unbiased debate. Great to hear both sides of the argument and how other contextual factors are still taken into account.
This is how debates SHOULD BE
In my opinion, whether its a job or school it should be by merit. One's race shouldn't be on any application.
I'm white. I'm perfectly ok with universities being filled with mostly Asian people. Or mostly black. Or 100% Latins. As long as they all got there by their own efforts.
That “holistic admissions” process allows an underlying form racial discrimination to continue against Asians. The UC system uses that holistic process in California. SATs have been dropped because they are viewed as “racist.” Despite anti affirmative action laws in California, race remains a deciding factor in admissions. Is it fair or legal? No!
As a first generation Asian American, I don't see how using AA to correct past discrimnation is even a sound argument when AA discriminate against Asian students. We arrived at the US later than most other minority races, and most of us came poorer than the poorest African American or Hispanic Americans. While African Americans were freed in the 1860s, we Asians had to endure chinese exclusion acts until 1940s, the Japanese Americans put into concentration camps when African Americans first got their GI bill. 30 years ago, we were still looked down as people who did laundrys. When we immigrated 30 years ago, we weren't eligible for food stamps, medicaid or social security because were not citizens. My dad made $900 a month and my paper delivering, new paper recycline money helped to put food on the table. But we didn't waste our energy complaining or blaming others for being poor and late arrival to the US. We just studied and worked our butts off until we made it out of the ghetto. Not saying past discriminiation is fair, but you can moan about it or you can spend that energy building a new life by studying hard. Looking as my fellow Asians, I think we got the right idea.
You don’t matter.
@@moriahwilliams340 Yet Asian Americans had even less long after that. When other minorities had GI bill, social security, Medicaid, Pell grants, we got nothing because we were not born here. We suffer the same discrimination and had even less than anyone else, but we studied and work our way up.
Love how the stereotype plays out. The person from a group that benefits is pissed and the person from the group that is hurt is happy.
Thank you Alex! Well said
"My identity has to be my race.."
You poor beautiful lady. The colleges have already hooked their claws in you. 😢
Even the playing field and stop the legacy enrollments. No more writing checks to buy your way into college like at Harvard. Of course, nobody attacked that part though. 🤦🏽♀️
White will send checks to buy their kids into college lol while black look on in envy lol.
And no one will ever be against nepotism. For some reason, people don’t understand that the biggest problem in American academia is the preference for those who donate generously to the university.
@@mamabear9686 Exactly! It’s called the great white way. They don’t pull the ladder up like BP do.
this is the general understanding in the United States and even in the world that people should be rewarded for hard work and good performance, regardless of their race or color. Working hard and doing a good job should be seen as the primary factors when it comes to awards and recognition.
"I think when it comes to kids applying in the next cycle, it's going to be hard to see themselves as someone outside of their race."
Says this after extensively talking about how her entire identity is encompassed by her race prior to making this statement. The irony is astounding.
Asians are a minority in the US as well, so her minority excuse just isn't valid. She states that her identity is her race... well, I'm sure for Asians, they could say the same. Frankly, there are fewer Asians than there are Blacks and Latinos in the United States... so who really is the minority? When it comes down to it, race should NOT be a factor... because it's racist. It should be based on MERIT. I don't understand why that's such a complicated thing to grasp. Many Asians are also from low socio-economic backgrounds being immigrants themselves or children of first generation immigrants. Many Asians also face hate based on their race and racial discrimination in the US. Asians were in internment camps during WW2. Asians lived in ghettos when arriving in this country and had no rights. They built the railroads, they were indentured servants and then were deported. If you want to even things out, give students from low socio-economic backgrounds more financial aid or scholarships. There shouldn't be quotas based on RACE. It should be based on MERIT alone.
Lmao the black student is an African immigrant whose ancestors weren't slaves in America yet believes she's entitled to affirmative action. Talk about stolen valor
All blacks think someone owns them something
Exactly, something like half of the black students at Harvard never even had grandparents descended from slaves.
This makes no sense. She's already IN college. She's speaking about new waves of applicants. 🤡
I agree with you.
@@MikeyMyer-e3bNot all blacks think the same.
How about you advocate for affirmative action in the NBA? I would love to see more of my fellow Asians in the league earning millions of dollars a year. Oh yeah you aren't gonna do that because that would mean less Black players right?
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When that was advocated for, we found that no Asians wanted to play ball.
@@TomikaKellyremember Jeremy Lin? None of the NBA teams liked to give him a contract. He is playing in Asia now.
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@@TomikaKelly Who's this "we" you mentioned? Y'all didn't look hard enough if y'all think no Asians wanted to play ball.
How is she African American and comes from a Nigerian family? Those are two different ethnicities. She’s Nigerian american
So when race is considered, what do you do about an individual of mixed race? Is their bump pro rated? Or, is their race whatever they say it is?
Shhhhhhh let's not even GO there because more than half cantt even TELL you what the difference is between race and ethnicity. The American (s) are THAT fkn Dumb
End affirmative action everywhere
8:28 Wtf? He contradicted himself with a hard line fact that without question destroys his entire argument because he's admitting to possible bias all due to a perception which would be perceived as nothing but a stereotype in a country rooted in racism. Wow. Well, she unwittingly identified the problem in her statement which is black and Latino, and with that black folks shouldn't be advocating for anyone other than their own because black peoples history in America doesn't reflect any other demographic. Black peoples skin color is their religion, artificially created to no fault of their own due to it being a requirement for them specifically at the time of their trafficking and after just in order for them to remain among the living in a country that's designed to impair them simply for the color of their skin. Since this only seems to apply to colleges, what will be next? Also, why is there no anti-black hate crime bill but yet there's an Asian anti-hate bill? Seems like liberalism and multiculturalism outside of black people, and their issues is the very real danger which needs to be spotlighted. Why are black peoples issues being put on the same stage with someone that isn't from that race? It's a wake up call for black Americans which is to distance themselves for their own well being because their history is being used and abused by other demographics.
yes, your kids and you deserves to go to harvard and get $1000000000 yearly simply because your skin is black. nice~
This is such a godsend to the Asian-American community who has been unfairly shut-out from the American dream. All they wanted was equal footing and equal opportunity in education. Now they have it.
This is a very complicated issue.. and anybody that thinks it is simple, can't see the big picture.. these two young people having an intelligent conversation about complicated issues gives me hope..
Nothing complicated about it. MLK had it figured out long ago, judge people for who they are NOT what they look like.
@@jeng1395mlk sure did 4 years later, I'm afraid we have a long battle, the hope is there but with a little touch of realism. Also once said im afraid I have lead my people into a burning building
I googled her under-resource High school, Arundel High school. Median income around Arundel High school is 140,000 a year. Yeah, Under resource.
The interviewee in the beginning is Nigerian American. Here are some facts about their income and education. "In 2018, Nigerian Americans had a median household income of $68,658 - higher than $61,937 for all overall U.S. households. In 2012, Nigerian Americans had a poverty rate of 12.8%, lower than the U.S. national average of 14.9% and lower than the total African American poverty rate of 27.2%". So why the group that is relatively advantaged in terms of socio-economic status and are not (unlike the native African Americans) the descendants of slaves should benefit from the affirmative action?
Her words sound so bitter and self centered and she is so young! Hopefully she grows into more understanding and kindness to others not like her. He did not seem bitter like that but he seemed to have perseverance through trial. So it seems from this, the one who did not get his way via debate is happier then the one who repeatedly has.
This 20 year-old girl is fabricating some racial victim narrative like she lived during Jim Crow or something. LOL Meanwhile she completely disregarded the lived experiences of Asians, arguably the most marginalized, least integrated, least represented race in America, who often came to America penniless without even speaking English. She needs to check her privilege!
Lol that Black woman is actually putting her own race down.
Wow. Okay, I’m an African foreign student who studied in the US (working on getting into Harvard for a particular masters degree, John Hopkins and others were okay and I got in, but I really like this specific program) and let me tell you, I am more than ecstatic about this decision of eradicating AA. There is a clear difference in average performance between international students of minority groups vs those that are local (aka USA natives). Based on my experience and other students experiences in different states, foreign students do much better than these local students of the same race and we have an even tighter margin than Asian Americans to be accepted in a school and we all come from VARIOUS backgrounds. It was infuriating having to prove my placement in the university. Yes, I was the kind of person who was usually chilling in the late 90’s (even if I failed), published some fiction work for fun while getting rewarded for it, magazine features and had various board memberships. However, people who didn’t know me or my achievements would judge me purely on my race - and affirmative action affected me (and other internationals) negatively by shoving me into a privileged beam of light that was not even there to begin with.
Some genuinely well-rounded African Americans even stated this absurdity as well. It’s ridiculous to be honest. Other countries only accept the best so why should America cripple itself to cater to those who are honestly incompetent. Majority of those who are admitted through AA and don’t actually have what it takes fail out or struggle unnecessarily.
Honestly, life will never be fair and, if you can’t swallow that fact and play your cards right and work hard and smart, just know you are destined to get the short end of the stick. Otherwise, we’d all be billionaires.
Anyway, I’m more than happy with this ruling. Now getting in will be purely on those with evidence of great potential.
May the odds be in your favour because I have nothing to fear really. I know my limits and use that to my advantage pretty wisely. Then again, I come from a very competitive background so I’m used to this.
You sound Nigerian honestly. I went to a competitive university, and I will say that the majority of African (white or black) HATE African Americans. You can try to write an entire novel about your experience but the TRUTH is that the majority of people in academia for some reason HATE African Americans for no other reason that they hate African Americans. As a mixed race Native American and African American, I was treated the worst by the African students at my university who often joked that the students from my demographic where only there based on their status as the 13%.
035 to 110 Isn't she admitting that B and Lat people can't make it solely on merit and need to " cheat " in order to get a higher score?
MLK: “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”
Mlk was for reparations and affirmative action...but also said socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor
Legacy admissions count for over 40% of enrolment
I've never identified as 'white' I'm just a guy who happens to be white.
And receive the privileges thereof
@@FinanceNation It is a made up word. It doesn't mean anything. White privileges', black privileges', etc. If you sit your ass and do nothing, and do drugs. You will failed. what privileges are you?
I've see many white people who identify as Hispanic and get affirmative action because of it
@@FinanceNation I don't receive any privileges.
@@davidfletcher4449 a lie that they don't know they tell...as if we don't use our mouths to eat
Racist and discriminatory laws will always get overturned eventually.
It took more than 50 years
Are we gonna focus on Legacy admissions next 👀
Why is everything about race? Why cant people simply work hard?!!
College applications should be a student number and GPA no other identifying factors. That would away with much of the discrimination, not all but a great portion. I applaud the Supreme Court’s decision today.
Uh this young lady is an immigrant. How has she been traumatized? This is why Black Americans wanted this to end because we’ve never benefitted.
Affirmative action is stupid to use for rich & privileged minorities. If they have all that edge but still can't cut it, they're wasted space. That being said, with the removal of affirmative action, if a larger percentage of enrollment were allocated to merit earned scholarships, for the sake of diversity, and paid for by the alumni of successful minority graduates, that would be swell. If there aren't enough alumni to get things kickstarted, then a fund or charity sponsered by the governments of those minorities, Noble Peace Prize, the Science Council, a probono law fund, even regular peeps who want to donate a little for future role models, etc, could maybe work. This could all just be a white assertion flex and facade, and the existing majority of toppers don't honestly want diversity. If you want to flush out an honest answer, have it funded strictly by alumni and see how much money you raise.
Asians work harder don't blame them for getting smarter than others.
The young guy speaks from a perspective that will lift him up in life he will understand that approach to race is not going to hurt his success. The african american girl has projects this lack mentally that no matter how much opportunities shed be given its will never be enough to proclaim success only based on achievements disregarding the race. If if its her genuine feeling towards race it is a learned behavior from her environment thats ultimately going to hurt her
Asians and African Americans have two different experiences. She will jump through hoops no matter what it takes regardless of the difference, fair and unfair. Knowing where she stand in the equation will quarantee her success.
Colleges can now discriminate against black/brown people. Before they had to level the playing field with different minority groups, this gave people with low income, disabilities, or minority disadvantages a chance to participate in competitive colleges....but now, they can choose specifically who they want in there colleges. Rather than adhering to "affirmative action" for a diverse community...they don't have to anymore...I don't know wtf your talking about. The asian is wrong
Merit >> Melanin
Character >> Color
This is equality 🇺🇸
It should not be a criteria on race, money, connections, donor-ship, name, political affiliation, religion etc etc etc, admission should be purely on educational merit only, that’s purist education. Control these education institutions public or private to to be fair.
*I think it’s more insulting to be accepted in school because of your skin color. Thank you Alex. Asian here*
It's simple. No one wants the affirmative action doctor operating on the. For the simple fact that I will never be able to tell if you're the hardest working minority or the only minority that applied, and they have to accept you. As a minority I understand and agree that inequality is everywhere, but I shouldn't be given something I didn't work hard for. I also do understand that there are universities and employers that don't hire minority employees unless they are forced to. Myself. I don't want to be anywhere that I'm not welcome.
They think you're an Affirmative Action admit anyway!!! Sad but true
Doctors won’t be able to practice if they aren’t qualified and don’t go through years of monitoring and testing to ensure they’re ready. Have you never heard of residency? You don’t graduate med school and then magically get a job to start operating on people.
Please don’t use talking points that don’t match up with reality.
What do you call the doctor that graduated at the bottom of their class?
"Doctor."
I do understand what you are saying by avoiding employers who do not want to hire people of certain groups, but they are not legally forced to, rather, they can be sued if the person of said group can prove they weren't hired due to being a part of this group, (being over 40, a veteran, being a born female, disabled, chronic illnesses such as HIV, or a racial minority.) From my understanding employers can receive tax credits for hiring people who fall under these groups.
There are some people who was under AA who went to Harvard and graduated at the top of their class. What you saying is extremely dangerous. You act like these children were getting 2.0s. Some people were well over 4.0.
@@dm3889 Look up affirmative action mismatch. Black law students who got in because of affirmative action are always at the bottom of the class.
Both students responded succinctly to the Supreme Court's ruling ending affirmative action in college admissions. One student said it was a "hard" decision that would have a negative impact on minority students. The other said the ruling highlighted the need for alternative solutions to address the issue of diversity in college admissions.
Thank you for showing that two people with different viewpoints on an issue can have a healthy intelligent debate!
Watching that debate was a breath of fresh air!
There can be 2 different universities. One university for meritorious students and another for diversity university.
I, as a patient, will go for a meritorious doctor.
I, as a traveler, will take an airline that employs meritorious pilots.
They should have different universities to serve different IQ individuals:
1. being the highest
10. being the dumbest
That way everybody knows where they should belong. Don't reward lowly IQ individual at the highest if they can't compete. In fact, you're not doing them a favor....they would not be comfortable EVEN if they get in. You can't throw a hellish person into heaven and expect them not to writhe in pain before they start diving (head first) back into hell where they belong.
I’m sorry, but was she serious when she said that this update to the law will make colleges put race at the forefront of their decision making process? That’s literally the opposite of what’s happening.
Y’all chose a poor representative for this argument
No she said that student will now have to write more specifically about how race affected their experience growing up. Since race can’t be considered, personal struggles can, so that’s the way to get “around it”.
@@MMmzuzu So she'll have to explicitly describe how she was disadvantaged because of the color of her skin instead of having the admissions officer just assume she was disadvantaged because of the color of her skin. Oh, the horror!
@@freddyt55555 i don’t think they were necessarily denying that, they were just filling in the blank where I had a misunderstanding.
Realistically yeah, if a student still wants to use their race as a reason for hardship, then they just need to write about it now vs have it be assumed.
I think this is how things should be though. If you truly have had a harder modern life due to your race, then putting that in your essay should be totally fine. But the idea that colleges will just accept anybody based on race due to preconceived ideas of hardship, then we take away from the people who truly work to make a life for themselves in this world.