No, Furina is not a "fake archon" | A look into Genshin Impact fake archon theories
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Why have a brat as an archon if you could just have someone serious instead, right? As if it's ever that simple...
Well, in this video, I'm going to dissect various iterations of theories about the archon we know being fake and propose some explanations for why fans like them so much, while also dunking on them, obviously.
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The music used here is from Genshin Impact's OST (Fontaine)
Time stamps
0:00 Intro
2:03 Why are Venti and Zhongli never questioned?
4:20 The hunger for plot twists
9:37 The pitfalls of a fake archon theory
12:51 Furina's journey towards archonship
16:16 Yes, this theory hurts Neuvillette too
19:55 Conclusion
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Most archons have their own growth. Venti embodied freedom but later learned he has to step in from time to time to help and guide Mondstadt. Zhongli embodied order but have to tear down his contracts for the future of Liyue Harbor. Ei embodied eternity but later have to embrace change for peace and the betterment of Inazuma. Nahida embodied knowledge but later learned to save Sumeru some things are meant to be forgotten. I'm sure Furina will have her own character growth later on.
Here's a counter theory based on the hydro Statue of the Seven, Neuvillette would look really really weird on that dress.
I don’t know if I agree with the implications of that.
This line of thought essentially suggests that Furina will have to learn that injustice sometimes is necessary?
Besides, it’s not like Zhongli or Venti actually “learned” that. Venti was already doing that since the times of the Aristocracy.
Zhongli just came up to that conclusion at some point before his Archon Quest.
Ei is the only one that actually learns the correct way for Eternity: perpetual existence through change.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko Maybe not necessarily injustice but tolerance. Not all laws are just, basically when you create more laws in effect you create more criminals. (Example, traveler and paimon almost became a casualty of this since according to Fontaine law, no one is permitted to release any flying objects within Fontaine city limits during the first three days of each month). So to ask you a question, was Paimon floating considered injustice?
Venti did help before he was the archon to take down a tyrant, and he helped again to topple down the Lawrence Clan, he went hiatus after that. The only instances where Venti did help was when the idea of freedom was being challenged, he pretty much let other issues fester. Remember Dvalin was left untended alone and poisoned for 500 years and grew bitter. The Lawrence clan was corrupt and became overlords, Venti didn't step in until they declared themselves kings.
Yep Zhongli did made the conclusion before his archon quest, and so did Venti (first time we met Venti was him already trying to help and cure Dvalin), but just because the main character didn't personally observe their growth as an archon it doesn't mean us the viewers didn't see that development as we played the game.
You're saying Ei is the only character that had this sort of development? I don't think so.
Lastly, you forgot Nahida.
@@sonic55193
Laws have more to do with Rules rather than Justice, though.
Not to mention that Furina there used a contrived reading of the Law by counting Paimon as an object and not as a person.
So, the injustice would be Furina misusing the law just to have a legal fight against the Traveler, unless she did not intend for it to actually end in a conviction ( in which case, it would be irresponsibility ).
The reason why Venti was away for 500 years is because he too was poisoned by Durin during the Cataclysm. And before the Traveler even arrived, he was already moving to help Dvalin.
Also, technically, by helping them multiple times, even if it was when the idea of Freedom was challenged, he stepped in when they could not solve it on their own. So, he already knew he had to step in from time to time.
The last part is not quite correct. We are told through narration or by them themselves that they did that. But we, the viewers, never saw the process. As such, we can’t say that we saw them grow. We were told that they grew.
And I insist that Venti was doing that since the beginning, so we cannot really say he grew. Maybe, if he took more direct responsibilities regarding Mondstadt, we could say that. But he’s pretty much the same from start to finish.
Yes, Ei was the only archon so far with that sort of development, at least when it comes to what you describe.
I didn’t mention Nahida, because there’s nuance in her character arc. Let’s say that Wisdom and Knowledge are not the same thing.
Wisdom is the Ability to use your knowledge and experience to make good decisions and judgements, according to the Cambridge Dictionary.
As such, Wisdom is not tied to how much you know, but to what you do based on what you know.
Therefore, Nahida obeying Rukkadevata’s request to be erased was wise, although she didn’t want to.
That’s not really learning about Wisdom.
I’d argue that Nahida is in fact still learning, as she has been shown multiple times to be ready to sacrifice herself despite the existence of other options that do not involve her dying.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko In the real world, rules are different from laws, rules cannot take away inherent human rights unlike laws. So why can laws do that but rules can't, laws take away those things to equalize and dispense fairness, when you trample on the rights of others your rights too shall be forfeit. Laws are our mortal attempts to be just, this is what we humans refer to as justice. Although flawed this doesn't mean it's not an act of justice.
Furina wasn't misusing the law, because the laws can be vague when outdated, this is why legislators are a thing to update laws that no longer fit in the times, but legislation takes some time to catch up and laws are practiced all the time hence why there are incongruency between justice and being just. To explain my example on a legal standpoint, Paimon isn't legally defined as a person in fontaine because this is probably the first time a paimon came through fontaine, there's no legal precedent with regards to a paimon, hence why despite the law clearly saying it's a violation an archon of justice must learn to exercise tolerance. This is one lesson Furina must learn. Upholding the law isn't always the right thing to do, mercy, understanding and leniency could go a long way as a society. Maybe one day those would be violations that aren't malicious in nature could be repaid with good will by its citizens as they prosper in return.
Note that Mihoyo is also playing around with the idea of original sin in fontaine, this sin could be legally binding which makes everyone born guilty. So justice could demand punishment for this sin which places Furina between a rock and a hard place.
As for Venti, I don't know where you got that info where Venti was poisoned during the Cataclysm, you must be referring to the quest "Let the Wind Lead" where Venti did say he was poisoned. But, he was poisoned for helping Dvalin during the Archon quest when we first saw him, not at the cataclysm. Venti, well venti always leave Mondstadt, this is probably first time he stayed around to protect it.
(Source: genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Abyssal_Corruption & genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Let_the_Wind_Lead_(Quest) )
You're right about Nahida, she is still developing even though she was already the most mature out of all the Archons. That would also mean Ei wasn't the only one that had developed, Ei's development is just more profound out of all, the rest have their development more subtle or hidden behind contexts the main character didn't observe. Just because we are told about this, doesn't mean it's not true. Point is, all archons have their development, regardless if the main character was there to observe it or not.
I like the theory that Furina is the Archon, but split herself to put her "smarts" into the oratrice and her "purifiaction" into the Fountain, leaving her "theatrically" as the visual figurehead.
Yeah me too.
Hehe
A theory I've seen pop up, is that Furina is the Archon but also isn't: the actual Archon is *inside* the Oratrice, while the Furina we see is a body double to keep up appearances
This is true
The archon status is also going to be passed on from Furina to someone else in the archon quest, either to Neuvilette or the Whale in Childe (which is the next new weekly boss)
Ahhh okay. So smart huh okay 😅😂amp
i feel this wouldn’t be original enough compared to raiden using her puppet to rule. i lean more towards the 3 rulers of fontaine/3 moon sisters symbolism theory, then neuvillete could be another ruler alongside a possible 3rd person (crying in fountain, voice in oratrice?)
@@feysira LMAO 🤣 your violet is another archon? Don’t give yourself too much hope. Do you think hoyoverse is that dumb enough to give you 2 hydro archons? LMAO in your dreams! I’ll get back to you once your violet’s story and Furina’s archon and story quests have been laid out!
The reason I feel so strongly against the Neuvillette theory is said perfectly in this video. It takes away from good writing.
We’ve seen Furina already grow a little in the archon quest, with Lyney’s trial and its results.
For those who don’t remember, after the false accusations of Lyney were proven to be false, Furina started taking things a bit more seriously when it came to accusations and trials.
I feel like the “please don’t kill me” experience she’s gonna have in the upcoming archon quests is gonna further her development, and make her more competent and serious in the future.
well, how do you feel now about the story
@@DanielMacLir now I feel like I was very much correct in my assessment of the happenings, and also incorrect.
I think this happened last time with Nahida Rukkhadevata theories and stuff.
I still think that technically Furina was and wasn’t an archon.
Tho I feel very happy about being absolutely correct about Neuvillette not being an archon.
@@AnArtistInAVoidit’s really obvious imo because the literal statue of the seven was clearly not him. Speaking of the statue, it’s so insane to me that Furinas hair was nothing like her pnumea hair which is her longest hair, but is literally focalors. And I feel like no one really payed much attention to it, but after 4.2 I noticed and I’m just amazed on how I didn’t see it before even though I was curious on why it was different.
@@2triedforthis830 yeah, I also noticed that after the quest. Wildly good foreshadowing actually.
this aged like milk lmao
As a massive Furina fan, I actually do think the 'Furina isn't the archon' theory holds merit. I also think she will become the archon in a lore relevant way in 4.2.
The main reason I think this is different than Ei and Nahida is that the themes of Fontaine is about how you shouldn't trust appearances.
If you combine this with 3.8s Bottleland and the Ann world quest: I think we have a decent amount of real foreshadowing of Furina being a younger Oceanid split off from Focalors.
So to me, this possibility seems properly seeded, whereas previous false-archon theories seem completely ungrounded in that region's theming and foreshadowing.
Calling it now, Furina will be the dedicated 4-star support on the real hydro archon's banner.
@@WannaComment2looks like someone don't read the leaks that had been going on for weeks now
@@WannaComment2 idk how shes a 4 star when her burst got leaked ☠️☠️
@@WannaComment2 Unfortunately not
How do you feel about
It’s funny that I knew zhongli was a god but didn’t know about venti so when he revealed his identity to that nun I was like please this is so embarrassing you could have picked a believable lie and when he said he wasn’t lying I had to google it
I think that a lot of people with these 'fake archons' theories forget that as far as we know, the first set of Archons were established roughly 2600 years ago at the end of the Archon war, of even earlier in for example Sumeru's case.
Then, at the moment we know of *three* of these that died unpreparedly during the Khaenri'ahn Cataclysm: Rukkhadevata, Raiden Makoto and Egeria. We know of two of them that they didn't manage to teach their successors (Raiden Ei and Nahida) the best way to be an Archon for their nation, and I doubt that Egeria managed to do the same to Furina/Foçalors. And we see the repercussions of this.
- Ei is completely unfit for Archonhood when Makoto dies, not being able to process the loss of her sister and her other friends in a healthy way leading her to create Scaramouche, the Shogun puppet and locking herself away in her Plane of Euthymia to prevent herself from eroding away and experiencing more loss. (Yae Miko is not the best therapist)
- Nahida was created out of the blue from Irminsul without any instructions from Rukkha, and was subsequently imprisoned by the Sages for 500 years, causing her to be physically powerless and having to scrape by any information about the world, her predecessor, herself and Sumeru by herself through consciousness-visiting and Akasha-diving.
- And now we have Furina who is *clearly* not prepared for her role as Archon but does her best to look like a stable pillar to her people. It's not far-fetched to assume (as of version 4.1) that Furina is basically dealing with Ei's and Nahida's issues combined and the intensity turned up to 11, because of a prophecy that predicts impending doom for her *entire nation and all the people in it.* Maybe Furina is only one part of the whole Hydro Archon and her other part is indeed in the Oratrice, but just taking Furina as we know her currently, I think she is honestly a reasonably realistic portrayal of what would happen to a person that is in her situation.
this aged like milk, people were right but for the wrong reasons
side note but this is the second time weve been given a fake archon in lieu of the genuine article, first with raiden now with furina
My take is that Furina is definitely the Archon, it’s just that we haven’t seen much of Furina herself do stuff, so we as the player don’t really get that “That’s The Archon” Feeling.
We first meet Furina at the edge of Fontaine, and she was able to spot us out because she had someone tell her we were about to visit.
The few things that we can take away from this meeting, is that she was very willing to meet us, and not chase us out.
She describes our journey as turmoil and chaos throughout the other nations, and that she welcomes us nonetheless. She then says that she acknowledges the value and significance of our trip (earlier she says Fear is for insignificant cowards, I wonder if she was giving a hint, or if I’m just looking too closely into it.)
Taking several closer looks into it, I’ve come to this conclusion.
Furina is aware of us not being the Catalyst of problems that other nations face, but rather the Soon-to-be Solution to their problems. And she wants us for that reason, so … why give us a hard time and try to duel us in the courtroom? Simple, she is trying to send us to the core of the problem, the Fortress of Meropide.
“Every person in Fontaine is born with sin, No matter how many trials are held, this sin cannot be absolved.”
This part of the prophecy is slightly deceptive, there is this theory that I read a long time ago, that says everyone in Teyvat are sinners, so the Sin the prophecy is talking about isn’t Fontaine-exclusive, but rather Fontaine-inclusive. (Theory is long, but extremely short version of it is; Gods are Demons, God Followers are Demon Followers, Everyone is a Sinner, Khaenri’ah excluded, Khaenri’ah aren’t Sinners, they are just called Sinners, cursed by Demons.)
Continuing with the prophecy, “No matter how many trials are held.” Suggests hat the next part of the prophecy will take place in Meropide, where the judged are sent.
And in the 4.1 trailer, we see (presumed to be) Primordial Water in the Prison, and a lot of it.
So Furina is indeed doing her part as an Archon, protecting the people. It’s just that she usually does the protecting behind the scenes where no one sees it, this is why during the 4.1 trailer, we also hear people accusing Furina of not doing her duties as an Archon, because these people just haven’t seen it, because Furina hid it.
Furina is more interested in the Ideal of Justice taking the main stage, and not herself, she simply wishes to be where the audience is, and witness the theatrics of Justice alongside them.
I like this theory
This ngl a good theory
yep this one is good
This aged like rotten milk, and nothing personal but im not into using headcanon stuff on theories, it distracts a lot from the main point 😅
Agreed, these "fake" theories are driving me nuts. It was obvious who everyone was before the story even started. They are building up Furina as a weak losers so when she wins, it will be the best underdog story(as long as they dont f it). If Nuevillette wanted to take over, he could've the current dynamic between then is so much better. It would be a nice glimpse into how it may have been like when a nation had multiple gods like sumeru. Your characterization of him feels spot on. He cries after he does his current job and just wants stability. He's not trying to rule.
It came to a point where her personality is the sole argument as for why she’s said to be incompetent, even though we never actually saw her manage the nation.
I also disagree on her taking rebuttals as personal attacks.
No dialogue came across as such, and none of them insinuated that her counterattacks stemmed from that.
At some point she herself begins to doubt herself and wonders if she’s actually accusing an innocent person when the more proofs are presented, showing that she cares.
Even before that she acknowledged it was too early to press charges despite of what she said, it was Neuvilette that wanted to make it official ( something we can see when she’s taken aback by the question, revealing she didn’t even thought about charging him ); but since Lyney was the most likely culprit at the time and was under pressure, she went with it.
Her character flaw is not, therefore, that she’s easily offended and wants to be right at all costs because of it; it’s that she’s an insecure person putting up the Mask of a Diva, most likely because she’s or feels lonely, and as such is easily manipulated by social pressure.
According to a Melusine, she’s can be a completely different person depending on her mood as she has very strong emotions, which would explain her attitude and also sets an interesting contrast with Neuvilette, who appears and has been criticized for being too cold and emotionless.
I know that this video was released two days before 4.1 came out but after diing the new archon quest I believe that the personality of Furina is a performance. She actually thinks a lot more than let's it show to others
Could it be that while the former Hydro archon was fighting in the Cataclysm way back and died, her nation Fontaine, was also facing its battle? Without their archon, Fontaine fell and lost as well. Then, Furina, the current archon was born in Fontaine after Egeria’s passing. She learned that everybody there have died and that she’s all alone. Maybe those were her tears (feelings) that we can still hear in the fountain of Lucine. Out of desperation and love for Fontaine, she revived everyone using the primordial sea waters, as oceanids. Everyone in Fontaine ARE oceanids. Fontainians are elemental beings, that’s why we can harvest their energy via the Oratrice to power the nation. Furina probably was cursed by Celestia for doing so, for interfering with what should have been (reviving the people).Celestia took her divine power and even her consciousness, but she was able to put her gnosis in the oratrice first so she can still guide and be able to fulfill her role as an archon, God of Justice even by means of becoming a machine. The current Furina probably is an empty shell of what Furina used to be, cursed by Celestia for all we know.
Maybe that’s why Mage ‘N’ was the one who introduced her, because she made a change in history for bringing her people back from the dead.
What is blud yapping about
Your theory too good to be in game!! As an appreciation, I'll consider it a bedtime story :
that would answer some questions... if it weren't impossible and completely wrong.
the primordial sea water and its effects on the people of fontain go back to possibly before even the archon war, revealed in some item descriptions. also the previous hydro archon is the one who made the "fontain will flood and the people will dissolve into water" thing known, so how would she have known everyone would die and get replaces by oceanids that will then melt down some day.
The game itself is making you question it since Arleccino brings it up. The moment she questioned it, it stopped being a theory but a possibility.
Tbh no matter where it goes, it’s an interesting twist.
yeah but arleccino has met what, 2 archons, cyro and hydro; and its uncertain if she truly knows the cryo archon or just the mask the cryo archon puts on in front of others
traveler has gotten to know well 4 prior to fontaine.
and 4/4 suffered from severe anxiety and depression, they just had different coping mechanisms and skills at masking
and furina fits the archon anxiety and depression trend
@@idminister it seems her instinct is very correct in this case ^__^
The fact she was telling us in our faces that neither neuvilette and Furina seemed like archons and Furinas weird energy was from a “curse”💀 it was right there
I really enjoy goofy and fun, loving cheerful characters because they bring a much better mood to things that’s probably the reason why I value venti nahida and furina so much because I can actually relate to all three of them their back stories feel more original, because even though they’re over 100 years old there still very much teenage or child gods having a serious person for once isn’t bad, but if that’s just her entire personality then that would just make their entire character boring series characters like alhaitham nuevillette cyno Eula zhongli and ei can have that seriousness but still be really goofy too the fact ei has a obsession over desserts is really relatable and zhongli being broke and old is kind of funny so those characters I personally like more then other serious characters also, I feel like another reason why there are so many fake Archon theorys it’s the fact that people just don’t give them a chance they think just because of their personality that they’re not fit to be a Archon or they don’t act like a god because of there actions and personality but in reality the definition of a god is more so a deity with more divine power they never really described as being serious. In fact, there are some gods in mythology that share similarities with venti and nahida
Can you say the entire thing out loud please
Same
Let's be real, the whole fake archon theory popped up because Hydro Traveler E looks like Neuvilette skill and not Furina's. Instead of dismissing the already very flimsy theory that the traveler mimics the archon (which let's be real, none of the travelers abilities match the archons) they tried to work around it and say Furina's a fake archon 😂
exactly, the archons usually match their respective element hypostatis.
No. The traveler's kit are actually quite similar to the hydro archon.
Traveler whole kit : Useless
Hydro archon in court : Useless
@@whiteknights8812don’t jump to conclusions YET. Wait for 4.1 and 4.2 story. Guarantee you’ll change your mind.
@raidenshogun4880 I guess they need to rebalance her kit and remove her from the yearly archon art that they already posted I guess
@raidenshogun4880 nononononononono I don’t believe it I don’t believe it I don’t believe it I don’t believe it I don’t believe it
My current theory is the 3 thrones around the new boss arena are for Egeria, Furina, and Neuvillette. As of right now I think Egeria way back when met a very young Neuvillette. They got to know eachother and when she learned he was the reincarnation of the hydro Sovereign (I’m just assuming he is based on his eyes and his non-human kind of demeanor) and saw the perfect chance to try and bring some Justice to what happened when their power was stolen. To make amends, probably right before the cataclysm, she gave Neuvillette the power she had as archon, and left him to watch over Fontaine. So she didn’t upset Celestia and get Fontaine nuked she set up a false archon as a form of mascot to deal with all the actual archon to people interactions. She then took what was left of herself to Sumeru to save Irmunsil and she put the Gnosis into the Oritice as an energy source and the actual mechanism that determines guilt or innocence. So she got to act as the ultimate impartial judge, the Hydro Sovereign would be the ultimate ruling power of Fontaine, and Furina would act as a stand in of sorts. She’s an Archon in the sense that she IS one of the 7 but she doesn’t have the same amount of power and “divine authority” as the others. Most of what makes an archon the fearsome force they are went to Neuvillette, and she doesn’t have the Gnosis to fall back on either. I think the power aspect also MIGHT come down to worship as well. Furina isn’t worshipped as a god so much as…. Well they said it in the story, a celebrity. They don’t pray to her for protection, they don’t give her offerings, their just like “oh hey it’s Furina!!! We should get a picture with her!”. All the other gods are seen as GODS but Furina is like a celebrity president..
So, she is an Archon, but she doesn’t have all the same moving gears in her life as the others. So she’s kind of on her own tier. A little lower an adjacent to the other gods we have met.
So, Furina IS the archon, but most of the heavy lifting and reverence that comes with that goes to Neuvillette. Neuvillette isn’t the true archon but he IS a kind of existence that lives on the same tier in the hierarchy of powers as them. Neuvillette is also more mature than Furina, most likely much older. If she did some growing up and rearranged her priorities I could see all that changing and her taking over the role Neuvillette currently fills and really coming into her own as an Archon.
Either that or I’m all wrong idk I’m not the most accurate when it comes to my guesses and I’m probably way off lol. they are all a big enigma to me lmao.
Lmao
It sounds interesting but, that theory falls apart if you read the lore of the Narcizenkroits Institute, where it is mentioned that Neuvillette appeared in Fontain 100 years after the Cataclysm when Furina had already ascended as Archon and the Oratrice along with the Opera of the Epiclesis They were recently inaugurated.
I edited it because I made a chronological error but in summary the cataclysm came first, Egeria dies, Furina ascends, the Opera begins to be created with the Oratrice and finally Neuvillette appears.
@@isdrakon9802 LMAO
Yeah, I still couldn’t make sense of the three thrones on Coppelia arena.
Well... this aged like milk.
Yup.
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The theory that Furina isn't the true Archon might gain traction due to what Arrlechino said- but it's important to remember that according to every other source in Teyvat, from Neuvillette, to Nahida, to Dainself and the Statues Of The Seven, Furina is the Hydro Archon. Arrlechino merely said what she said because she believes she 'knows how an Archon conducts themselves', due to being a servant of the Cryo Archon, but it's important to remember she doesn't know anything definitively and is just making wild speculation because Furina is so much different from any other god she's seen, and it's not the first time either.
Venti spends all day masquerading as a drunk bard and Zhongli takes the role of an eccentric man with no money and the desire to buy everything in stock. It should be kept well in mind that Archons are people at their core, and people are allowed to have personalities that defy expectations.
well this aged um poorly
The malfunctioning justice machine I feel is just a certain Harbinger getting Childe out of the way for some reason. She knows Meropid won't hold him for long, but long enough for whatever she has planned. Maybe we'll find out in Pt. II on Tuesday evening.
Umm. No. Arlecchino didn't plan it. It just happened and took advantage of it.
@@silverhawkscape2677 We know now that she didn't plan it. But she did know something was up with the indemnium near the core, thanks to Lyney. Was expecting Childe to get the treatment that Signora gave him in Liyue. But now appears they have a better relationship than that.
BTW FOR REFERENCE, this video was made BEFORE the release of Acts III and IV of the archon quest so I didn't know that the game was hinting at the fake archon theory too. Still, I find it weird and even the game has released Furina's drip marketing in such a way that makes her an archon. Anyway, just keep this in mind too.
Edit: As explained before, the video was made BEFORE Act V of the archon quest and although in a sense, Furina is "fake", she's more of an ex-archon rather than someone who was never an archon at one point in time. She had her divinity but removed it from herself. That Focalors is still her, but just an aspect of her that is now gone. Also, Neuvillette isn't the new archon. That's not what dragon sovereigns would want to be called and the seat of the hydro archon is abolished so there should be no new archon if you think about it.
I love how genshin debunked the possible "debunking" of the fake archon theory lmaooo
i think what's going around as fake is the fact that people now think that Furina is the Hydro Archon, but she will lose or give up her status as an Archon to Neuvillette/someone else.
Neuvillette know who's the previous Hydro Archon and also know that she gave Furina a task to accomplish. Most people think THAT task is the prophecy but in my opinion its not the prophecy but the task of being an Archon. Furina is incompetent when it comes to ruling, so she isn't "fit" to be an Archon for now until she figures out HOW to be one. Its not just power, that's why she took it upon herself to see into the prophecy and solve it as a means to being an Archon. she do care about people especially in the second part of the Archon quest when she took the court case seriously that time. Its also what Arlecchino was saying that "Furina, you have done nothing for your people and nation" but the fact still remain that she is trying to but still doesn't know how to. i think in the upcoming Archon quests we will help her achieve that and she will be announced officially as a NEW Archon by Neuvillette since he oversees her and supervise her progress with the task she was given by the previous Archon who might be someone close to her.
nahida was also had similar situation the scholars thought nahida was not a fit to be an archon but in the she becomes one. i guess furina is hiding a big trick for us and for the fatui
Despite all of those archon theories revolving alhaitham, it really cracks me up knowing that he is just an office worker who wants to clock out at 5pm. 🤣
Zhongli already pretty blatant on what archon should do, they guide their people. For venti & zhongli despite being total clowns manage to create society that uphold their ideals (mondstadt being peacefull & welcoming for everybody while liyue harbor honor contract of the past and present) what we learn from mond that freedom came at a cost, in liyue we learn that contract is something you can end using a loophole it's all about mental gymnastic. Venti & zhongli know for sure their shortcomings of their ideals but WE now know it from the archon quest
Meanwhile for the newer archons it is THEM that learn about how flawed their ideals are or how they need to get more a firm grip of their situation. Ei's eternity harm inazuma but now she learn to accept & inherit makoto's version of eternity, that is transience. In Sumeru Nahida learn that wisdom and knowledge will eventually cross to forbidden and dangerous zone, you don't need to know all things unless you can be wise enough to accept the truth and forget. So for Furina? She is on her journey what will she learn and what will she sacrifice one more patch to go
your video aged like milk :))) now that act V has been released
Well this didn’t age well
"a child is impossible to simp to simp for, obviously"
r/nahida_mains:
"You underestimate my power"
No the Archons are not nonbinary. They do have genders. Maaaybe you would have a case for Ventis spirit form, but he has clearly taken the identity of a male. And any story in game that talk about Zhongli appearing as a woman has been debunked as mere fanfiction.
Nahidas quest even show that changing their appearance require huuuuge amounts of energy so it wouldnt work well for them to be "nonbinary". You also need to remember that Genshin is a chinese company, if they play too much with wokeism, they are gonna get shut down by the CCP.
Also, we were right that Furina wasnt the archon. Well she was and she wasnt. She split of the part of her that was the god part, and it took all memories with it. Thats why Furina is acting like Fischl. She had to play the part even if she had no divine powers or knowledge how to do things.
Tbh it kinda fun to have the speak about the validity of Archonhood... Since many gamers ahve different prospective that make the community and lorist unique in a way....this is what i love how the dev love to leave a red hearing and leave the gamer to open interprate on the Fontaine lore and what revolves in their nation..... Still Furina is one of my fav characters have have many layers of mystery... While Neuvillete was a Dead give away know his water Sovereign...
I don’t understand why you haven’t blown up yet! Your theories are soooo good!
I think Archons are much alike the Mythological Gods, each one acting more faithful to their own archetype than to a moral compass. Venti being the archetype of Freedom makes sense to him not ruling Mondstadt directly while, at the other corner, Raiden being the archetype of Eternity explains her stern dictatorial deeds. Like Greek Gods, they’re far from being examples of moral highness, almost placing themselves above good and evil, so Furina’s duality is no uncommon ground and just like Raiden Shogun, allows to a meaningful character development arc. I’m so far excited about the course the story is taking and expect great twists at Furina’s character progression.
Other archons:
Have power
Furina: my power is here.. you, uh, have to believe it. Yees. Mortals just cant see it...
Yes,.no thank you. If she is s god at all, then she is either newborn or theory about splitting consciousness, when useless part left behind sd pseudo baby, when oratrice left to be sacrifice so that certain dragon will return to full power, which was literally spoilered
Me personally, though I really do like Furina's personality and character in general, I think I also count as some who wanted Neuvillette to be archon. But my reasoning is more that, I want there to be equal fem and masc (male and female ig) archons, as equal as they can get with 7, not for any...more hostile reasons.
Idk how I got there, but somewhere on the internet I just found tons of guys absolutely hating and angry with Furina, as if any ounce of her character is meant to be genuinely disrespectful rather than annoyingly dramatic. They don't have to like her, but death and $a threats against a fictional character for having a unique personality is way uncalled for.
Aside from...that, kinda like you said there could be a bias for/against archons presenting as certain genders-what irritates me about most archons being 'women' (and a tiny baby lol) is partially the smex appeal. I know, it's a gacha game and it's going to have characters meant to be attractive, but even if they also do that for male characters it still bothers me. Then again, I could just be projecting my asexuality onto stuff that I don't fully understand/connect to, being ace and all, I'm open to more perspectives.
Still, I love Furina. People don't have to like her, and I can fully understand preferring Neuvillette, but genshin already gave us a child for a god. Said child was the god of wisdom, and not an ancient old man like Zhongli-why would hoyo limit themselves to a stereotypical and safe interpretation of a god?
Venti's an alcoholic living in the form of his dead best friend putting on a front, Zhongli gave up his role as a god to work as a funeral parlor consultant, Ei is a snack eating manga reading mess of a shogun, and Furina is like some theatre kid teen who's barely holding on mentally and relying on a false personality to keep up appearances. Neuvillette may have the demeanor of a typical god, but even if hoyo makes its -plentiful- mistakes, I'm sure whoever Furina truly turns out to be was chosen as archon for a reason. Her, Egeria, and whatever else may be revealed. Sorry for my essay :]
WAIT... you're telling me they have put $a threats against Furina? WTH...
I seek no conflict, only to speak (write) my mind.
Just as you mentioned projecting, I feel like the main mistake is trying to relate any sort of sexuality to fictional characters in a story where it is meaningless, since there is not and shouldn't be any sort of romance. No one seems able to enjoy the story without caring so much about characters appearances. Such urge to relate to a character is very... dangerous
Some hate Furina for being how she is, which was the point of her character of course. It's like hating Jason because he kills people. So I assume all want the same perfect or ideal character cloned with different clothes and name, which is boring. They should play Fire Emblem, full of righteous honorable repetitive knights that make vows more than breathing... dialogues full of friendship, love and respect for each other line by line again and again...
Also, nobody knows a real god irl or how it would be. Mythology? It was a mess of gods one more disturbing and weirder than the other. Neuvillette acts like a true gentleman, that's all... altho ig education and manners are as far as a god for most. Furina might not be the real god idk or perfect as a person, but she's the funniest character we had in a while in my opinion. I have so much fun when she appears. She reminds me of Ace Attorney characers that are all so... unique, bizarre and extra!
In conclusion, all I say is... try to appreciate every character and just enjoy the show. As Silverwolf said: "A game is a game and that's all there is to it".
Apologies for the large message and thank you for reading.
Very valid arguements. Keep up the delightful long comments.@@hyperion6114
Imo she has a human and archon form yes her splash art has a vision but it’s not a normal one it’s both types in Fontaine combined. As the two have distinct changes in design (the changes from black to white) the white clothing furina we’ve seen has been stated as having the gnosis the other has a vision, wouldn’t be surprising if the one that has the vision is human. Plus with so much leading up to and around furina it would be a let down for her to just get instantly replaced
I have a theory myself, and after seeing Neuvillette's kit, i believe that the traveller will have the ability of the person who is the closest to the concept of their element. Since Furina has so far been more into this so called "drama" therefore the truth and lie can be a bit blurred, but since Neuvillette is seen as justice itself maybe making him seem more closer the concept of justice.
One key thing is that the lore clearly shows that Egeria was a god of justice. With now Inazuma, Sumeru and Fontaine, it seems likely that a new archon is forced into the domain of the previous archon. This, if true, would mean that regardless of Focalors' aptitude for justice, Focalors would still have to become the Goddess of Justice
I remember ppl where theorizing Kokomi being the hydro archon when she first appeared in Inazuma.. After seeing that and the Miko Archon theories I can't be surprised anymore xD I mean at least the "Kokomi is the hydro dragon" used have some real base for theories, but these? ATP I feel bad for Furina honestly xD She's already insecure enough as it is, and now most of the players are yelling how she's not the real archon ever since Fontaine droped...xD
This aged well.
This aged like milk
milk that is already opened and not stored in the fridge in the middle of the summer
ehh?? this video spends 20 minutes talking about why fake archon theories are "boring", while completely dodging main subject: "Why Furina IS real archon?"
I think, "fake archon" theories are actually brooding because in a span of two chapters she didn't show any signs of her actually being real archon, which is probably deliberate. Yet, if there is any twist behind it is still to be seen.
and they kinda forget one of the major themes of Fontaine chapter is deception and masquerading. The second drip marketing of Lyney, Lynette and Freminet look like Hoyoverse is testing water for Furina. And Furina's drip marketing yesterday has a very suspicious anomaly.
Furina being a fake archon would make me sad. I like the dynamic she has with Neuvillette, her being this one god who stands out from the rest as being fucking useless but with a godlike henchman by her side that keeps her shenanigans in check.
I believe in the furina curse theory and that her soul is split in half, in 4.2 i think she will regain her other half and thats what will allow here to access both forms of hydro as at the moment she is stuck with one outfit, which suggests this
When they discredit Furina, people forget, that Fontaine as a state is stable and functioning and at peace, even Arlecchino mentioned that. The only thing Furina doesnt seem to care for the outside is the prophecy. You wanna tell me shes capable to rule a country but let it go to ruin at the same time?
Actually, I did not know that Zhongli or Venti were gods I guess I was enjoying the game too much and wasn't really thinking about it, I really like story quest and lore
If you guys watched black clover, Furina and Neuvillette's relationship is kinda similar to the wizard king and king clover of the clover kingdom, two kings of one nation but serves very different roles. the wizard king is competent and mostly responsible in defending their nation and managing the wizard army while king clover is just a lazy and incompetent figurehead who just sits on his throne all day doing nothing but eating and entertainment.
Even The Knave is suspicious about the Archon and I don't think the fatui is stupid. Let's see what plotwist waits for us in 4 2.
the only reason i think she's the archon is because she's part of the artwork that genshin has in the trailer where only the archons are in and it'd be far more interesting to have her as an archon and not neuvilette who gives off ALL the vibes an archon has, yknow commanding vibe and stuff but whatever it's just a very hot take
It’s crazy how she gets hate in game and out the game as well
What I think is that furnia is a oceanid cause of her tending too act differently at times and since we know now that oceanids are made of different ppl that kind checks out and one those people are the original hydro archon
who tf question ei as an archon
to (perhaps) throw a new (crack) theory in:
what if Furina would technically be the new Archon... if she ever had the gnosis and Egeria's demon name is "Naberius"?
Shoutout to the ones who didn't know about Venti and Zhongli being the archons! (Myself included haha)
me double checking when this theory came out...
Why nobody questioned venti and zhongli being an archon? Well, that's like obvious. The plot of their respective regions leaves MUCH to be desired. I would even call it a piece of dog crap. Wish they had a skip button there. As the plot has been keeping getting better and more complicated, it's also become quite complicated to identify what is actually going on until the very end when the mysteries are revealed.
Most people pushing this tends to be obsessive fangirls who need to somehow try to push up their “daddies” by trying to put down other characters.
Many friends who were all in about getting a 4 archon team before Sumeru release, immediately went to bashing Nahida and claiming she was p*do bait when she was the dendro archon instead of “daddy” al haitham which I find funny as that’s exactly how the sages treated her.
The same thing is happening with Neuvillette simps. These fangirls are just so fatherless they want all their tall male characters to be archons instead of being content with good characters. Good characters isn’t just limited to archons, so I don’t get why people are so obsessed with fighting on who “deserves” the spot.
First 🎉 wake up everyone taro born posted!
its not "Furina is the fake Archon"
its "Funtainans are the fake people"
i'm not saying a lot, just remmber "Idyia" and what she did to the Veluriyam Mirage 😉
Furina is the real Hydro Archon and she will have the most sad story in the whole game (more sad then Rukkhadevata and Nahida)
"100% by some of us who have no social life" Never have i feel so insulted but i cant disagree god dammit 😂😂
I’ll be honest I didn’t think I would be interested in Fontaine story or lore but it’s got me interested. Mostly cuz of Nuev Furina and arrlechino origins
Furina is definitely the archon, as of 4.1 and 4.0 hoyoverse for me at least has been throwing curveballs in the Fontaine story, it’s possible that hoyoverse is leading us to believe that she isn’t the archon to give us doubts and then focus more on how she actually is the archon. But there’s probably more than that
I don't see how that's the direction, what curveballs are you talking about
oh, my
A stereotypical leader personality and being most powerful are not what defines Archons. Archons are false gods. A Dragon Sovereign is a legimitate ruler of Teyvat, but Neuvillette already said he is not interested in ruling Fontaine. Celestia would not allow a Dragon Sovereign to become the main figurehead in one of the regions anyway, unless they are actually asleep. Even if he does gain his powers back as per his final ascension line, he will still not be an Archon. I completely agree with you that Neuvillette already has his role and narrative purpose in the game. He wants to judge Celestia and false gods for their crimes, not become a ruler.
However, that only confirms that Neuvillette is not and will not become an Archon. It does not confirm that Furina is fake. What I don't like about this video is that it lumps all the instances an Archon was questioned together. This would be sort of okay if the title didn't focus on Furina. I also agree she's not fake, but the arguments presented are not what convinces me of that. I was hoping to see some proof/discussion about Furina's true nature, e.g., that the girl we see is just one part of Foçalors. Every nation has its own themes, and Fontaine is specifically about masquarades and appearances, so people assuming Furina is fake is not out of the blue like in the other nations.
Nah...dragons era has been passed. They've defeated by celestia, thus they're banished and has no authority over their land anymore. Think of it as colonialism...these dragons has to obey celestia or they could try to rebel and reclaim their land...but of course they have to win against celestia.
@enesjei Their powers are the basic nature of the world in Teyvat. So much so that they are still getting reincarnated, albeit as humans. Their authority has been diminished, but that's all. We have seven elements thanks to the dragons and Celestia could not change that fact.
You where proven wrong new story did prove she aint an archon not even an elemental being just a human.
Nope she is the Archon but with her Powers and Memories removed. You must be having a hard time understanding what happened in the 3rd Act. To summarize It was revealed that she split her self into two, her divinity(Focalor) and her humanity(Furina), this is why when the Oratrice's pass it's verdict on her it said " *The Hydro Archon* , Guilty. To be punished via death sentence"
@@justamoogle5268 No she is not an archon Focalors is an or was an Archon shes just Human Like u described yourself, Are you eh.
The theory about Neuvillette being the archon instead died completely with the lates archon quest, 4.1 part4. Why? Because Arlecchino literally had the exact same theory. Once introduced like that, it would be REALLY sloppy writing if it actually comes out to be true. These types of ''plot twists'' are only effective in a last moment shock factor, not as the theory of the antagonist. That being said, I believe that we were supposed to think as Arlecchino as well (purposely making Furina appear less reliable than Neuvillette), hence there is The Knave projecting the travelers' speculations.
Now, me personally, I live for silly characters, my first main was Fischl and my current favs are Hu Tao, Miko, Kaveh. I really emjoy Furina's extravagant personality but not because she's funny. Because there is OBVIOUSLY a lot behind this persona. Same is with Fischl, if you remember. Her story of Amy is what led her to create the fake persona of Fischl and keep up the act. But Amy is just this silly teenager, what about a literal god? What possibly could have happened to Focalors to decide to act all silly and keep up this strong and over-the-top attitude? This is why Furina is so interesting. I advise travelers to give her more time and learn from the Nahida situation. ''Oh, she'll probably exchange her gnosis for a popsicle'' and in reality Nahida literally gambled with Dottore about waking up the Heavenly Principles and managed to exchange valuable info from him. This became such an essay lol sorry but you know how it is - i can write an actual essay for each of my fav character haha :DD keep up the silly and be kind everyone!!
My favourite thought is that she woke up/came into existence one day as the new Archon, but had zero guidance from Egeria besides Neuvillette being left to run everything for her.
No way Neuvillette will become an Archon, especially if his comment about how the Archons took power from the Sovereigns means what I think it does (Gnoses as Dragon control orbs).
If anything, I could see Furina pass the role off to Childe because she feels like she's not up to the task. Whether he will/can become the Hydro Archon or not, I'm 70% sure she'll hand it over to him (30% she'll give it to the Knave, but I think she'll prefer Childe for some reason), because it's definitely making its way to the Tsaritsa
it’s also beacuse venti says he and zhongli are the only original left but it’s not quite that simple
yes makato died but ei was with her the whole time
rukkadevata was replaced but nahida was born from piece of her
it’s only nature people would think there’s something up with furina
She might not be a archon or god anymore soon because she was executed
Turns out she really isn’t the archon it was revealed she was pretending to be the archon
Raiden Shogun (EI) is apart of the original archon group EI and her sister shared a spot as the electro archon. Her sister was peaceful so EI had to fight in her place like the only people that did know was the people of inazuma the other archons knew of this they were the twin archon
No one thinks neuvillette is hydro archon. End of video
Might just be another raiden situation tbh. I wouldn’t outright say the Furina we see now is a puppet but probably just a personality of her she left behind to act as archon while she’s gone
You forgot that all archon have a boss, that boss being Celestia
I don't think people really seriously suspect her of being a fake, they're just joking around cuz she's such a silly and bulliable water goddess. But she is likely hiding something though.
As for the other archons, EVEN LESS people seriously consider them to be fake so it honestly doesn't really warrant much discussion.
I still think she's the fake archon. Could be like Ei situation or maybe has split personality or maybe simply there's no living hydro archon, and she's there to do something to prevent the prophecy with her pneuma and osia align capability.
No the male archons are not non binary, dainsleif literally says he when talking about the male archons more specifically Zhongli! Please to add your head canon in the actuality of the game.
Furina isn’t my type either but I do like hee flamboyant ness. I hope it shows in her gameplay. I’m saving for the Pyro archon I hope they do her Justice.
My fav element is Anemo but I’m not a fan of venti. I just don’t like his personality. But that doesn’t mean I hate them. I’m sure he can hold his own just like anyone else.
Why does everyone hate furina I don’t get it. I’m not a fan of her either but I don’t hate her .
plus we already have 2 more serious archons so i think it would be really boring if he was the hydro archon because of how hes so... like you said, stereotypical.
Neuvilette as the archon is just fanboys copium.. furina seems to be very popular like hu Tao. And she's the hydro archon.
Wait how can someone think that yae is real archon 😂😂 fr?
The leak has been very uncertain about whether the Furina we met is a fake archon all along or she will just lose archonhood as the story unfolds. But other leaked materials have been implying the playable version will be a vision-user instead of an archon. (real vision, not venti's glass ball). So, yeah, Furina could be the true archon of Fontaine. For now.
Also regarding Neuvillette, there is no leak pointing to him as the true Hydro archon.
If she receives a vision doesn't mean she can't use hydro without her vision does that mean she'll lose her power?
@@Dazaiburger that would be an interesting storyline
I have another speculation what if forina is not a archon but archon daughter😅 i don no
She's more than a flamboyant archon. Maybe you shouldn't make a video if you cant even see that
My question is, what makes an archon and archon? Gnosis, no, cos half of them don’t have it anymore. Power of an element? Well…. Historically, the power of hydro belongs originally to Neuvillette, him being the dragon of water and all that. Being the only one with a human form, I would love to see him take over from a celestial appointed Archon to be honest, this would be a unique plot line imo. We know by now tho that no archon is a ‘good’ leader, so it’s not a surprise that Furina isn’t either. What is don’t want to see is another twin plot line, or she going from this lying gremlin to a sweet Nahida type archon.
The definition of a god in teyvat is already very unclear, let alone an archon.
My theory: based on Zhongli story quest it is possible that the true status of an archon is determined as who Celestia assigned the gnosis to. Only certain individuals like Azhdaha (and possibly Celestia), not common people, can sense this quality and know what's going on.
If Neuvillette hypothetically gets appointed by Celestia, would he even accept it? It would seem quite ironic for a reborn sovereign to be appointed by the one who (possibly) overthrew their reign. So i am guessing it would be like what happened to liyue. When Morax retired and let the people take over Liyue.
@@laineysays I was thinking more like just taking it? He would still not be an archon, though, but still rule Fontaine. Hypothetically speaking.
@@itsathay oh yep yep i read again ur first comment saying "from" celestia appointed archon. I thought it said "for". Mb mb 😅💕 i agree!! And even in current story, i think Fontanians regard their archon differently than in other regions. Not necessarily in a negative way, but more like an inspiration or a muse to them, rather than a leader figure..
@@laineysays like a mascot, like that guy said when we arrive for the first time XD
Whoa whoa whoa Nahida has her loyal simps 🙃
I think she have a split personality
well this aged poorly
While the points you make are great, I think the video misses completely why people make such theories. Well, I'm not going to claim this is such for EVERYONE, but at least in my experience, people don't make theories because they want something a certain way and then they try to justify how that would be so. Like, I've never seen anyone want Baizhu to be the archon and because of that, they invented reasons to justify it - instead, all I see are people who are investigating plot points, plot "holes", and real-life references, studying them, and creating connections that in turn result in said theories. With Baizhu again as an example, that theory mostly came from the fact that the Viridescent Venerer set had a story that seemed to be about the Dendro Archon which also fit the mythological inspirations behind Baizhu. Hence, the theory was born from the evidence, and not the other way around.
The same thing goes for the archons. Take Nahida as an example: We have the slime theory, which suggests the Dendro Archon was being used by a parasitic body (now we know it was the Akademiya). Then there were the leaks which made everything confusing: there was the God of Woods and the God of Grass. It pointed at there being two archons, and one of the possibilities was that one was real, and one was fake. This also fits some evidence from Baizhu's mythological references, and it all together pointed at him being the God of Woods, the real archon, and Nahida the God of Grass, the fake archon who is using the real archon's status while they hide. Everything fit so well, and it had *nothing* to do with "wanting" Baizhu to be this or Nahida to be that.
The same goes for Furina. First, she challenges a lot of preconceptions we have. She does not look like she embodies the concept of Justice like every archon so far embodied their concepts; leaks have already said some things about her... "dual nature", let's say that to avoid spoilers; the Traveler's powers are based off of Neuvillette's powers, not Furina's; she has no idea how the Oratrice functions, which the Hydro Archon supposedly built herself; and there's also the fact that only Fontainians melt from primordial water, from which came the theory that every Fontainian is an eidolon/oceanid/fake human - which might extend to Furina herself. Everything fits well together, and it has nothing to do with wanting Furina to be this or that. (I'm not saying I agree with this theory.)
I dunno, I really feel like this video is grossly misrepresenting how the Genshin theory community actually thinks, and then proceeded to try and refute this strawman of "I want this character to be a certain way so I'm making up a theory to validate that". Again, maybe that's just me, maybe I'm wrong and the majority of people actually think like that. But I really don't think so.
I believe that there are those who put genuine thought into those theories, followed by many, many more people who will blindly believe what they are told because they lack the ability or desire to examine the evidence themselves. A good example of that is how leaks have always been misleading, yet people still try to make solid claims based on them. It's a lot of assumption-making. There is a minority that creates theories, and a majority that want an easy and quick answer - and both stem from curiosity about the real answer.
I hoped the video would go into more evidence for why Furina is the real archon, instead of lumping all the archons together under one hypothesis. I understand why this might have been borne out of frustration though - I've been avoiding leaks and spoilers, but it's been pretty clear that the Furina we see is just a part of the real Foçalors. Not fake, just not whole. At the same time, I can't blame the community that doesn't spend time dissecting lore for assuming a powerless Archon is fake.
Lastly, I wanted to suggest that the Traveller's powers likely come from the Dragon Sovereigns or dragons in general, not the Archons. We have Neuvillette for Hydro Traveller, and Dendro Traveller's ultimate looks more like the growth inside of Apep. Dvalin is not the Anemo Sovereign, but he can create tornadoes just like Anemo Traveller does. In short, it's not the best proof for deeming Furina as fake.
Tbh people are just making these theories at this point just because they’re so desperate to have another male archon they all believe of the stereotype of every God been some great DDF, all imaginable power when in reality, that’s not true in zhongli story quest he literally says that the God of salt wasn’t a strong God that should’ve been the first hits they only make these theories because the Archons didn’t live up to their expectations and their expectations is for them to all the male and extremely wise when in reality that will just make all of them so doll and the backstory so boring I get they want male archons but the tall male character feel so stiff unlike the girls and the medium male ones females are much easier to make because they have more fashion options and like the males of the game that’s probably why some of them look so feminine so that they can make their outfits unique people hated nahida and said she’s a excuse for pedo bait as if there aren’t other anime’s that literally make the child characters over 100+ years old having s3x with grown adult men they already planned for her to be a child since the beginning
nope, because the dev has been foreshadowing it a lot
@@DanielMacLir ye people always make excuses for why they shouldn’t be an archon as if they can do better writing
@@isaiahhaley4816 I don’t know, ^__^ it seems the ‘Furina isn’t an archon’ theory has been proven
@@DanielMacLir ye but there are still some unanswered questions like for instance how she looks exactly like folcalors now I haven’t done her story quest yet but I still think she hold some level of divinity inside her, considering that her hair still glows the fact she has a water drop eyes of two different colors and the fact her constellation resembles her, just like all the other Archons plus the fact that the constellation awesome examples divisions as well
@@isaiahhaley4816 she looks exactly like Focalors because she is the human shell of the New Hydro Archon. The New Hydro Archon split herself in half, all the divine part (called Focalors) residing in the Oratrice, while the ordinary human shell was left behind and called Furina. Furina is perfectly human in every way except for her physical appearance and immortality due to the curse Focalors cast upon her.
Yeah, now that Focalors died, Furina can grow old and eventually die like an ordinary human.
Well.. we know he’s stronger than her now lol
Ei did no wrong.
Not sure I could say Neuvillette is a good judge. He admits to not understanding people's emotions and motivations. You kinda need to understand motivations to be a good judge. And his lack of ability here seems to be leading to miscarriages of justice in cases like Navia's dad. If the rain is an indication of his own dissatisfaction with how cases go, he might be dissatisfied quite a lot.
My personal theory is that Furina is currently in some form of "locked personality" or maybe a form of schizofrenia. This would align with all current information, she is the archon, however "does not carry herself like one" and mind you, this would go perfectly with her confirmed gameplay style of switching stances. A good cause would be trauma, for example she was present at last archon's death and simply couldn't bear the role she's now forced to have, therefore turned into this carefree childish person.
Hello, I'm a person with schizophrenia here. I confirm that having different multiple personalities is not a symptom of schizophrenia, that's a symptom of DID
@@vivianbrights8953 My apologies, I know that several illnesses cause multiple personalities, I just don't know their definitions and differences perfectly.
@@BetaraptorLP It’s okay, it’s better to do some research about psychiatric diseases that makes someone have multiple personalities.
Actual symptoms of schizophrenia can vary on people.
The most common symptoms of schizophrenia are: psychosis (consists of false beliefs, paranoia /anxiety, hallucinations), depression, catatonia (lack of emotions), compulsive talking aka rambling, problems with focusing / concentrating, forgetfulness, agitation, and mood swings
After I played 4.1 archon quest, I think furina return her elemental authority to Neuvillette and lost her title as archon, so Neuvillette will be able to possess his full power dragonhood which he then control primordial sea and save fontaine from be drowned
Doubt it. I'm pretty sure there would be cataclysmic ramifications from Celestia if an Archon gave back a Dragon Sovereigns full power.
Nah... if she do that, fontaine will be nailed by celestia
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Lol
it's baffling why anyone would think Furina is a fake Archon. Maybe the thought is that the Archon must be an Authoritative Awesome character. But this perspective doesn't stand up. As Archons of elements, they are the manifestation of the element in character. The characters of the Archons match the characteristics of their element.
Well she wasn't the archon after all
@@Raikhoul😂, but FeelsBadMan for Furina. After she sacrificed her time for 500 years, she's not getting recognition she deserves.
@@KamisatoPotato She played arguably the most important part in the quest by enduring all of the suffering brought to her by acting as the Hydro Archon, and her resolve to keep that secret till the end is what allowed the prophecy to be wrong. Furina deserves all the recognition for that feat and that also proves that she never needed to be an archon to be an interesting and complex character, which is a common misconception among the community..
@@Raikhoul true. Ruling a nation without any powers, only immortality, that's a great feat, albeit getting help from Neuvillette handling nation's crisis, but still, 500 years keeping a promise to Focalors, she endured serious suffering so Fontainian can actually be real human at last.
I just started her story quest, it's good to see that she's in ok condition.
are you still baffled now, eh?
So this is why some person on tiktok got triggered about my “Neuvillette is the archon” theory (I’m a new player)
I'm pretty sure, that the archons are not "nonbinary". They are either male/female or can switch genders with each "version" or dont have a sex at all. All of these things are different from being "nonbinary".
Gender is a social construct, so if an elemental being doesn't feel like they fit into the binary of male or female, then yeah, they'd be non-binary.
Zhongli can change his physical form, meaning he can change his sex and presumably did so in the past. This could indicate that his relationship with the male gender is loose and not bound to the boundary.
But there is no real confirmation either way. Every Archon has their reason for why they chose the form they have (including sex), but at the same time, you can be NB and still take on a masculine or feminine look.
I do agree that thinking they're all definitely non-binary is presumptuous, but there is something to it. Venti only chose his form because of his best friend, and he's not the most masculine man out there. We already discussed Zhongli changing his sex, which shows that elemental beings can change sex to match how they feel (their gender). Ei seems to be a woman, though it's strange that she made her first puppet androgynous. Rukkhadevata seems innately feminine no matter what incarnation. Furina is a tomboy, so interpreting her either way is valid.
Genshin is a pretty queer game, so I am not at all surprised about the subtext and Hoyo leaving it open to interpretation.
people just underestimate the power of popularity. Being a mascot doesn't mean she is not important. We need to remember the last summer event story where the main events caracter is roled as mascot. She seems like a dummy like itto but at the same time she does care about her people.
Claiming gender bias in a husbando/waifu game is next level shit