@@frostice961 actaully somewhat true and not i guess. the echos i had were all from the event(the free ones morphable) same time yes I login and burn energy at tacet fields then log off. takes about 5mins but hey thats all my dailys done
1) Do exactly what he says. 2) Learn the perfect timing. 3) When you get the hang of it, start doing it with the 3 echoes. After 30 minutes i got the same results. If you believe this is fake, it costs nothing to try. Thanks for the video.
This changed my echo rolling, my Zhezhi is right now 70/310 bcs i was so freaking lucky with rolls. When i was rolling at '7 minute mark sometimes i got all echoes with double crit rolls lol
I tried this and it works! I'm really happpy because im now buiding camellya and i tried for my 4 echo and 3 echo and it rolled double CRIT!!! THANK YOU SO MUCHHHHHHHH!!!11
First account (which i abandoned) : insane luck on everything Second account (main) : shitty luck on everything I am starting to believe that it doesn't have anything with time or luck... It's all about the ID 💀
@@thebestbotever5040 UID can be a layer of RNG programming. Which is why some accounts are “luckier” than other accounts when it comes to summons/pulls for units.
hmm randomizing the seed based on the current time, makes sense. it sounds liek woodoo magic but i got nothing to lose and the rolls you got, espcially in a row are a very low probability if chances were even.
I really hope we can get some kind of echo substats reroll kinda thing in the future because i got shtty echoes substats all the time even when doing this. Or at least give more exp tubes and tuner
Excited to try this later. My jinshi echoes substat suck.😂 So I just level the echo to 10 first right? and then tune them? if I got the crit substat on my first tune then I level the echo to level 20 and then tune right?
so update. yeah it kinda works. It's just that I was having difficulties clicking at the right time. I tried doing it with my phone as the clock but I observed that the time on my laptop is 1-2 second advanced than the phone. I used the website on both btw. Do you have 2 screens? cause it's hard to click at the right time when using the laptop since i have to click twice to tune. thankyou.
Best time to try and do this is when you're at the so called end game where all the characters you use already has +20/+25 echoes. At that point toward end game you'll have recourses built up to do this min maxing theory. When you're still like union lvl
I used the old method and noticed I get good rolls every 9 minute mark in addition to a 7-minute mark. Zhezhi and Xiangli Yao were my fastest characters to be built with double crit rolls. Funnily enough, I also developed my personal "ritual." 😅
@BigBoiPnoy Yeah, it's just fun that rituals are for make-believe. You lose nothing in return, but at this rate, the time method is the best thing that ever happened to my relic/echo hunting across my gacha games.
I don't know how or why this works but more than half my echos have the best stats they can get with some exceptions which happened to be a bit mid but still it is much better than how they were before this video. It would be nice if I was smart enough to also understand how the honkai star rail one worked
I do my best to have it that way for anyone without a coding or statistical background for each method. For HSR it’s forcing knowing your probabilities through test upgrades then adapting to those probabilities on your main relics.
in the sheet it says. you aim for miliseconds too. what is exactly meant by that. does it mean like when i do minute x7 and x5 seconds, the miliseconds gotta be for example x7:05:77? or do i aim for x7:05:00 on the dot? thats the only thing im kinda confused with
You aim before. To account for your lag. As I explained in the video. But ya… aim for your seconds. But aim for the milliseconds before the second marker you want.
In short aim for clicking in: -Any odd numbers in the minute mark. -Every 5 seconds for the second mark. -And every millisecond before the 5 second on the second mark. Am I right? I'm a bit slow on things like this so I like to simplify the steps.
So I’m a little confused but to be clear. For example if I want to test this out myself and my goal is to roll on the x7, 7 minute mark, then I will roll at 4:37, 4:07, etc. but try to click tune on any 5 second intervals within that 7minute mark?
is it every 5 minutes with second intervals that you used? i'm quiet confused here with the missing time gap 😵💫😵💫,tried doing it on game with 7 min but i only get crit rolls sometimes,help
Remember that all we did was calculate probabilities at certain time frame. We never guaranteed you would get your crits. Also it’s not just 5 for the minute. It’s all odd numbers, so X1, X5, X7, X9. We skip minute X3 cause it has one of the higher fail rates. As I said it this video you have to click earlier than the time you are aiming for to compensate for lag between you and the server. ruclips.net/video/4bnFGOP8zzs/видео.htmlsi=yPNIuO41mOrWFjgV
go ahead and check the discord. they show everything. Over time the ones that are continuing to show there data overtake the ones that show 1 test and disappear(these single tests are either bad or good). Same time once again there's human error and there's little we can do with that. Also this isn't guaranteed anyway. All we did was calculate probability at certain time frames
If Ur thundering is good , U don't have to , as long as U know how to activate it's passive , but if Ur set is bad , then switching is good , cuz LT is easy to use , I personally use it
Just used all my resources, and youtube recommends me this video the next day... But if this is true, what about character banners? People need to test this
bro, i want to try this with purple echoes, not with yellows, how can i get the purples? i mean, i am lvl 43 and my "pokedex" is lvl 23, every echos that i got is yellow, but for this experiement i´d rather use the purples u know. (sorry for my bad english).
It's really hard to do this when my ping is ~250 I have only managed to get 1 double crit but other than that I haven't been able to replicate the timing.
@@BigBoiPnoy Damn, I wanted to avoid it cause my phone isn't super beefy but seems I might need to do this on mobile then, Idk why PC version gives me really high ping while mobile version gives me way better pings...
@@BigBoiPnoy Yeah Idk, either way, I got 90-100ish ping and finally got an okay-ish double crit for my Carlotta after a couple of days farming and thousands of tuners gone, you saved my ass cause I was on my last tuners lmao. Still need to learn the timing a bit though but so far I've got at least one crit before the double one with this method.
I'm trying to have my clock like yours at the bottom left corner when I'm recording. But my recording shows a window for the website, like the whole browser window. How did you crop yours just to show the time?
i tried with odd minute + multiples of 5 in seconds and it worked. mostly 1 crit roll but usable enough also pressing before the actual +5 seconds does the trick. like when all of the stats show, it should be just in time for the 5.10.15 etc... second
I'm curious about this method, I tried it but not with this guide, but I don't know why I found a pattern. I tried tuning 6 echoes by tuning 3 at once in each echo without following this guide, 4 echoes got crit rate and the 2 didn't. ah maybe it's just luck.
3 at a time was how I did it in my old video…. Players started copying it and doing their own video on it. I only did it to save time 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I can do single tunes if I wanted. But that’ll take even longer.
@@BigBoiPnoy I just saw your channel appear on the homepage, maybe I'll see the video where you did 3 tunings at once, which video? maybe there are similarities. I also just found out that there is a method like this in the gacha game from your channel and this is my first time playing a gacha game and also don't know about copying other people's methods
kinda sad its not working for me. tried to do it early by 30ms, 80ms even a whole second. i rolled 24 pieces and got only one double crit with absolute horrible substats and lowest rolls possible. the method seems to be working for other players, any suggestions?
The goal was to have at least 1 crit substat honestly with how probability works for our own calculations. Double crit is rarer. For double crit try to stick with the same minute and second section you got it at. Then abuse it.
I see ur milliseconds click timing is 9+ which I followed Tried ten echos with lvl10 at X7 and X9 with 0 15 30 45 I got only 1crit rate with atk... Is it my bad day Xd
click earlier. i failed my own clicks on this video also.... the ones where i got no crit i clicked on the second mark and not before it. Same time I can't say much cause there's still probability involved.
Well it’s not really a “work” kind of thing. It’s more of probability outcomes. Which is what we calculated. In the end it’s more “smart” gambling than blind gambling
Overall damage no. I went lingering cause it flowed better when combining with him. I think the difference is like 1 - 2% for the lightning set Consider your substats also.
@ it’s nots strictly 15 seconds…. It’s 0, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 so on and so forth…. And are you clicking earlier to compensate for ping lag?…. According to your ping on the top of your screen. Stop expecting double crit too. It’s meant to get at least 1 crit. Which was the goal of the whole method.
@@johankaruyan5536 bad clicks/ping there’s a couple different ways to try this. There’s absolutely no way I’m rolling 5x double crit in a row naturally.
@@liambowers9489 me? Hold on let me login Edit : 45 double crit echos so far on the characters I use so far. I barely play though. I login. Daily burn energy. Log off.
I’m down to do it. Just that I have a long HSR list to go through. And i only do it in my days off from work. All I can say is join the list. And wait.
10 minutes for that... the hell?
welcome to our way of upgrading
10 minutes for N days/months of use of echoes. definitely worth it
@@frostice961 actaully somewhat true and not i guess. the echos i had were all from the event(the free ones morphable) same time yes I login and burn energy at tacet fields then log off. takes about 5mins but hey thats all my dailys done
10 mins in what?
1) Do exactly what he says.
2) Learn the perfect timing.
3) When you get the hang of it, start doing it with the 3 echoes.
After 30 minutes i got the same results.
If you believe this is fake, it costs nothing to try.
Thanks for the video.
This changed my echo rolling, my Zhezhi is right now 70/310 bcs i was so freaking lucky with rolls. When i was rolling at '7 minute mark sometimes i got all echoes with double crit rolls lol
Yep yep gotta love probability recording.
How about now?
does it still work plz help me
@ yes
@@raed_art3842 it seems so. For me Def and Hp occured less often than before and now I have 4/5 double crit echoes
I tried this and it works! I'm really happpy because im now buiding camellya and i tried for my 4 echo and 3 echo and it rolled double CRIT!!! THANK YOU SO MUCHHHHHHHH!!!11
Thanks. Surprised nothing much changed. Cause I made this updated video in 1.2 then decided to take a break from the game shortly after.
Thank you so much for this update video. It seems Wuwa is way simpler to manipulate than Star Rail, I'll defenitely be giving this a try!
well tried out and got a pretty nice double crit substat echo just now, thaanq for this, gonna try out with more echos in future
nice man. congrats
I just spent like 30 minutes for my full Camellya build and got double crit on each echo...
If I see you irl Bernard ima kiss you
I get that a lot…. I’m just a bored gamer dad 🤣
Plz help i don't understand
@@raed_art3842 of course it doesnt mean it will work alway but i tried it today with just 1 echo if it works and i got double crit first 2 rolls.
I'm convinced this does work, you really need to get the timing down
"This is BS!" is what I have been saying seeing you upgrade and getting CR CDMG, but well, I can't really deny that it seems to work, will try it
Just aiming for better probabilities. 🤣
no more suffering building a perfect dps zhezhi 😭🙏
didnt even need this xd got my encore to 80/270 through sheer dumb luck
correct players that dont think about this stuff. then yep it's luck. Not everyone has that. Just trying to help the other players that need it.
This is awesome got almost all cr cdmg on my jinhsi relics
@@nero4195 nice
You saved all wuwa plyers.
Respect
maybe i did. maybe i didnt. who knows
First account (which i abandoned) : insane luck on everything
Second account (main) : shitty luck on everything
I am starting to believe that it doesn't have anything with time or luck...
It's all about the ID 💀
@@thebestbotever5040 UID can be a layer of RNG programming. Which is why some accounts are “luckier” than other accounts when it comes to summons/pulls for units.
Oh gawd why I am finding this video after wasting 2000 rolls, dude I literally got the perfect substacts for cammeliya in my 3rd try ... :))
Nice. Nice to know this video still holds up. Cause I haven’t played since 1.2.
Xiangli yao echo set the best void thunder or lingrie tunes?? @@BigBoiPnoy
hmm randomizing the seed based on the current time, makes sense. it sounds liek woodoo magic but i got nothing to lose and the rolls you got, espcially in a row are a very low probability if chances were even.
Yep. When I do this live on stream players get baffled also.
I really hope we can get some kind of echo substats reroll kinda thing in the future because i got shtty echoes substats all the time even when doing this. Or at least give more exp tubes and tuner
@@ivanmavia7352 I need more tubes also… tubers are fine at least….
Excited to try this later. My jinshi echoes substat suck.😂 So I just level the echo to 10 first right? and then tune them? if I got the crit substat on my first tune then I level the echo to level 20 and then tune right?
so update. yeah it kinda works. It's just that I was having difficulties clicking at the right time. I tried doing it with my phone as the clock but I observed that the time on my laptop is 1-2 second advanced than the phone. I used the website on both btw. Do you have 2 screens? cause it's hard to click at the right time when using the laptop since i have to click twice to tune. thankyou.
Tqsm for tips finally i got good echo😭😭
Welcome bro
Best time to try and do this is when you're at the so called end game where all the characters you use already has +20/+25 echoes. At that point toward end game you'll have recourses built up to do this min maxing theory. When you're still like union lvl
Ya wait till much later union levels. Focuses on building characters first
Yep,I can confirm ts is real. W bro
Nice
I used the old method and noticed I get good rolls every 9 minute mark in addition to a 7-minute mark.
Zhezhi and Xiangli Yao were my fastest characters to be built with double crit rolls.
Funnily enough, I also developed my personal "ritual." 😅
Rituals be weird man. Honestly overall I just go by time method still 🤣
@BigBoiPnoy Yeah, it's just fun that rituals are for make-believe. You lose nothing in return, but at this rate, the time method is the best thing that ever happened to my relic/echo hunting across my gacha games.
😉
I don't know how or why this works but more than half my echos have the best stats they can get with some exceptions which happened to be a bit mid but still it is much better than how they were before this video. It would be nice if I was smart enough to also understand how the honkai star rail one worked
the HSR one(in general all hoyo games) is just more tedious. It's one of those "difference in programing" kind of things
@@BigBoiPnoy I mean I kind of understood it but also didn't, overall all your videos are pretty straightforward and helpful
I do my best to have it that way for anyone without a coding or statistical background for each method.
For HSR it’s forcing knowing your probabilities through test upgrades then adapting to those probabilities on your main relics.
This is actually scary how well this worked
Yep
Ok will be trying this for camellya, lingering tunes is so rigged yesterday i wasted 😞 200+ gold echo tubes and all my shell credits down the drain.
in the sheet it says. you aim for miliseconds too. what is exactly meant by that. does it mean like when i do minute x7 and x5 seconds, the miliseconds gotta be for example x7:05:77? or do i aim for x7:05:00 on the dot? thats the only thing im kinda confused with
You aim before. To account for your lag. As I explained in the video. But ya… aim for your seconds. But aim for the milliseconds before the second marker you want.
In short aim for clicking in:
-Any odd numbers in the minute mark.
-Every 5 seconds for the second mark.
-And every millisecond before the 5 second on the second mark.
Am I right? I'm a bit slow on things like this so I like to simplify the steps.
correct. if odds don't "work" for you do evens for the minutes. Also remember all we did was calculate probability outcomes at certain time frames
@BigBoiPnoy just tried it rn, it worked 🤩. Thanks for this!!!
@@renegadeforlife5917 what clock time is he's using?
Yoo it work 😂 let say goodbye to my full subs stats def and hp flat 🎉 🎉
Congrats man.
@BigBoiPnoy thanks for the guide man now i can get cr and cdm easier
So I’m a little confused but to be clear. For example if I want to test this out myself and my goal is to roll on the x7, 7 minute mark, then I will roll at 4:37, 4:07, etc. but try to click tune on any 5 second intervals within that 7minute mark?
correct. just make sure you click abit earlier depending on your lag. The roll is done server side. So you need to account for that
Educated gambling 🙂↔️🥴
think of it as card counting but for gacha games. It's what my own community does for each big gacha game
The true gambling lord for echo substat 😂
Not just wuwa. I do it in other games also.
it cannot be this serious 😭
it is
Nice guide bro! Dun sa level nung echo may factor din ba kung every lvl 10, 20, 25 yung ups bago mag roll?
Naw. I just did it that way to save materials. Previous videos I was doing 3-4 rolls at once. You can go single rolls if you want also pare.
is it every 5 minutes with second intervals that you used?
i'm quiet confused here with the missing time gap 😵💫😵💫,tried doing it on game with 7 min but i only get crit rolls sometimes,help
Remember that all we did was calculate probabilities at certain time frame. We never guaranteed you would get your crits.
Also it’s not just 5 for the minute. It’s all odd numbers, so X1, X5, X7, X9. We skip minute X3 cause it has one of the higher fail rates.
As I said it this video you have to click earlier than the time you are aiming for to compensate for lag between you and the server.
ruclips.net/video/4bnFGOP8zzs/видео.htmlsi=yPNIuO41mOrWFjgV
@@BigBoiPnoy thx for replying
why would people bother to submit their 'data' if they do not get any good rolls? doesnt this give a much larger bias
go ahead and check the discord. they show everything. Over time the ones that are continuing to show there data overtake the ones that show 1 test and disappear(these single tests are either bad or good). Same time once again there's human error and there's little we can do with that. Also this isn't guaranteed anyway. All we did was calculate probability at certain time frames
hello i am using (5-pc) void thunder ? should i switch to lingering tunes"
you don't have to but if you want you can
If Ur thundering is good , U don't have to , as long as U know how to activate it's passive , but if Ur set is bad , then switching is good , cuz LT is easy to use , I personally use it
I personally went with lingering cause it’s easier to combo with. If you have a better set for void thunder then use that.
Just used all my resources, and youtube recommends me this video the next day...
But if this is true, what about character banners? People need to test this
Don’t have money to test that on banners
Is the time based on our local time or based on the server time?
@@S0ULR3AP3R13 well rolls are done server side. So it’s time based on server time.
@@BigBoiPnoy neat. thx fr da reply.
bro, i want to try this with purple echoes, not with yellows, how can i get the purples? i mean, i am lvl 43 and my "pokedex" is lvl 23, every echos that i got is yellow, but for this experiement i´d rather use the purples u know. (sorry for my bad english).
@@miguel19892509 just complete the Pokédex first. Be patient.
@BigBoiPnoy thanks
Ayoooooo thats crazy!!!
It's really hard to do this when my ping is ~250 I have only managed to get 1 double crit but other than that I haven't been able to replicate the timing.
Yep it’s hard. Especially if your ping is horrendous. Just go blind roll at that point…
@@BigBoiPnoy Damn, I wanted to avoid it cause my phone isn't super beefy but seems I might need to do this on mobile then, Idk why PC version gives me really high ping while mobile version gives me way better pings...
@ if they are both in WiFi maybe the wifi card is outdated on your PC or needs a driver update. If your PC is on Ethernet that’s weird.
@@BigBoiPnoy Yeah Idk, either way, I got 90-100ish ping and finally got an okay-ish double crit for my Carlotta after a couple of days farming and thousands of tuners gone, you saved my ass cause I was on my last tuners lmao. Still need to learn the timing a bit though but so far I've got at least one crit before the double one with this method.
The first few minutes he was saying same thing all over again
Almost. Lols. It’s a short video. And I haven’t touched wuwa since 1.2
I'm trying to have my clock like yours at the bottom left corner when I'm recording. But my recording shows a window for the website, like the whole browser window. How did you crop yours just to show the time?
There’s a way to crop it on obs. I forgot how I did it 🤣.
@@BigBoiPnoy I appreciate the response. It helped lead me to my answer. Right click > Filter > Crop
Isn't it better to just go for lv.20 and tune in order to get both crits in one tune?
Tune how you want to. The way I was doing it for this video was to save materials
i tried and didnt get a single crit stat for 29 rolls at XX:X7:X5/0, :').
I think I should suggest if you don’t get crits in like 6 upgrades. Wait an hour then try again
i tried with odd minute + multiples of 5 in seconds and it worked. mostly 1 crit roll but usable enough
also pressing before the actual +5 seconds does the trick. like when all of the stats show, it should be just in time for the 5.10.15 etc... second
@@frostice961 which was the whole point.
I'm curious about this method, I tried it but not with this guide, but I don't know why I found a pattern. I tried tuning 6 echoes by tuning 3 at once in each echo without following this guide, 4 echoes got crit rate and the 2 didn't. ah maybe it's just luck.
3 at a time was how I did it in my old video…. Players started copying it and doing their own video on it. I only did it to save time 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I can do single tunes if I wanted. But that’ll take even longer.
@@BigBoiPnoy I just saw your channel appear on the homepage, maybe I'll see the video where you did 3 tunings at once, which video? maybe there are similarities. I also just found out that there is a method like this in the gacha game from your channel and this is my first time playing a gacha game and also don't know about copying other people's methods
@@osky3301 it’s the ones I pointed out in this video. They are under my channel. I separated the WuWa ones onto a playlist also
I am a bit new in echomancing here! Can you me specifically for SEA server?
Server don’t matter
kinda sad its not working for me. tried to do it early by 30ms, 80ms even a whole second. i rolled 24 pieces and got only one double crit with absolute horrible substats and lowest rolls possible. the method seems to be working for other players, any suggestions?
The goal was to have at least 1 crit substat honestly with how probability works for our own calculations. Double crit is rarer. For double crit try to stick with the same minute and second section you got it at. Then abuse it.
@@BigBoiPnoy im struggling to even get a crit roll in the first place. it feels like the method is straight up not working
@@kash4307 wells no updates have been made to this method since 1.2…. And haven’t been playing since then. I’m on a break.
@ understandable, thank you either way
@ you can trying doing opposite of what we do. Ima laugh if it’s even minute intervals instead of odds. That would be hilarious
Gambling ritual 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
I see ur milliseconds click timing is 9+ which I followed
Tried ten echos with lvl10 at X7 and X9 with 0 15 30 45
I got only 1crit rate with atk...
Is it my bad day Xd
click earlier. i failed my own clicks on this video also.... the ones where i got no crit i clicked on the second mark and not before it. Same time I can't say much cause there's still probability involved.
I try again with 200+ tuners
Much better
I apply seeding method and time marks method
Thanks for experimental video👍
Im trying to build my jiyan i really hope it works
ima be doing account reviews for WuWa soon. where i hop onto the wuwa accounts and do it myself
what should i do for the ping?
@@kyojiko_0 calculate how early you tap the tune.
will this work on the 5 tuning at same time?
tune as much many as you want. its up to you. I did 2 at a time to save materials
Yea definitely didn’t work for me
Well it’s not really a “work” kind of thing. It’s more of probability outcomes. Which is what we calculated. In the end it’s more “smart” gambling than blind gambling
is that the better echo set for xiangli yao?
Overall damage no. I went lingering cause it flowed better when combining with him. I think the difference is like 1 - 2% for the lightning set
Consider your substats also.
DUDDE I DIN T UNDERSTAND A WORD U SAID AHHHHHHHHHH HELP PLZZZZ
hmmm?
@@BigBoiPnoy i tried to do it 1/3/5/7/9 mnts and every 15 sec i tune and never got double crits
@ it’s nots strictly 15 seconds…. It’s 0, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 so on and so forth…. And are you clicking earlier to compensate for ping lag?…. According to your ping on the top of your screen. Stop expecting double crit too. It’s meant to get at least 1 crit. Which was the goal of the whole method.
still work?
@@theone5981 Echo “Manipulation” Doing it Myself | Wuthering Waves Account Review
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Look how recent this was
are you in asia server? i still not understand, for america what ia the correct time, in minutes and seconds? thanks in advance
Server doesn’t matter. Cause you are aiming for minutes, seconds, and milliseconds
it doesnt work guys, dont waste ur time, just roll
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I have 5x double crit on every single set. How many double crits do you have?
@@liambowers9489 0, I literally tried this like 15 times, I only got crit twice
@@johankaruyan5536 bad clicks/ping there’s a couple different ways to try this. There’s absolutely no way I’m rolling 5x double crit in a row naturally.
@@liambowers9489 me? Hold on let me login
Edit : 45 double crit echos so far on the characters I use so far. I barely play though. I login. Daily burn energy. Log off.
😮
Yo bro can I give please you my account and roll for me I'm using mobile and I don't have any other device for the sever time counter
I’m down to do it. Just that I have a long HSR list to go through. And i only do it in my days off from work. All I can say is join the list. And wait.
@BigBoiPnoy thanks man is it on discord?
@ yep yep
Nah this is all bs. I'll never believe in this but it's funny to watch.
Sit Back, Relax, and don't kill our fun. It's just a theory anyway.
It works. I fully built my main dps efficiently using this method.