To me, that only matters when they have an off-piece echo system but they don't. So I think it's better to reduce the RNG and just match the elemental dmg bonus to the echo set. And just make it random for some more general sets.
They should change this because its so frustrating Like i don't even agree that relic (echo) farming is better than genshin, sure farm infinite but why the F do i get electro dmg on fusion set or fusion on electro set thats trolling like i don't have all day to grind like that not all of us have 24h free per day They have to change it at least so element dmg bonus only roll on their set
One way to fix this for just one character is to buy 2 echoes from Illusive Realm Rewards shop. The key is to buy a pair, always. So that you guarantee that at least 1 character has full set of matching elemental pieces. I made a mistake: bought Havoc Tambourinist for Danjin and Flautist for Calcharo. Now my Danjin is good, but Calcharo is still missing a matching violet heron piece, and it is a rare one.
Yeah, after I got sonata set I just upgrade it to the highest and I stop so I still have resources. Sure, I can't do the end game contents "perfectly" but then again I don't play this game avidly since it's gacha game. Would really help if they add option to actually reroll substats.
You cannot farm infinitely except bosses. Also, the game gives you 10 guaranteed echos dropped from bosses and elite monsters every week. For cost 1 and 3 echo, you can farm until they run out of it in your world, which will respawn next day.
I'm on day 6 of still trying to find the Healing Bonus main stat from that damn Tortoise 💀 Edit #1: Day 18, I've finally found 1x Healing Bonus on Rejuvenation Set, alongside 2x Healing bonus on Moonlit Set. The tunings are trashy, but I'll take it anyway
you can't farm limitless anyway. this only applies to 4 costs and if you're not multiplayer hopping all day, the supply of 3 and 1 costs is pretty limited every day.
@@asoret it's okay with 3 costs, since those are the last ones you roll. their leveled mainstat alone carries them. no point in going for perfect 3 cost substats, if you don't have perfect 4 and 1 costs yet. With that priority you save alot of resources and nerves :p
cost 3 are the hardest, you have to have the right element dmg bonus on the right set and the right substats. There's no offset, so if you get fusion dmg bonus on a havoc set then it's completely useless
Agreed. 3 cost are a 2.5% chance for dB 18 and 4% chance for dB 19 to get the right stat and right set if it drops .Plus its limited per day unless you co-op so I won't recommend throwing it away so early.
I FEEL LIKE THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT BECAUSE I DIDNT SAY IT IN THE VIDEO: GET YOURSELF A FULL SET OF THE RIGHT MAINSTATS FIRST THIS VIDEO IS TARGETTING END GAME AFTER YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN EVERYONE THE RIGHT MAIN STATS AND NEED TO MINMAX/UPGRADE
@@monkeydluffy5054 You're right ofcourse, but if you're really unlucky it can take you an unlimited amount of time to get the perfect piece. Unless you really want to min/max your characters and have a lot of time to spare to farm echoes, this is not really recommended. Once you have characters built with decent pieces and just want to make them better then yes its definitely the way to go, but would not recommend most players do this when first starting out, cause if you're unlucky you just won't even have any build characters to do any content with until you happen to get lucky.
your first echo is your best echo. dont try to reach perfection first, you should tune some echoes especialy your main dps to atleast +20. then you can start farm them. you can't farm echoes with no damage. trash substat echoes still give you more damage than no echo.
you did right, nobody but only sweat no lifers do this shit lol, imagine tuning one stat by one and dropping if it rolls bad stat, actually boring as fuck lol.
Make sure you fully level the characters and weapons, and maxing out traces helps a lot. Echoes are great but they should be done last because they are far harder to get good ones.
now there are 2 Things i want to point out before people start to min max their sets: 1. You still should have atleast some sort of set Equiped even if it has bad stats, those stats can still be an improvement over no Stats since i see a lot of people just leveling their echoes to 5 and then trash them just to waste the very limited early resources and not using some of those, what i did was with the few first 5* Echoes i had, that i leveled them to like 15 and just tuned them to get some stats out of my character and did that with most DPS for my 2 Teams and then started minmaxing to get better echoes since even the bad ones can boost your strenght in the tower and other content so dont just trash the echo, use them if they can give you some sort of value 2. DO NOT level up past 20 in the beginning, something that people dont seem to know but the amount of EXP you need to go from 20 - 25 is almost the same as when you level from 0-20 so its not worth in the beginning to level your echoes to 25, if you have good rolls, stop at 20 for now until you have all the echos ready and just then start leveling to 25 because you dont want to waste that much exp for 1 Substat if you could get 4 with the same amount of resources 3. you can be very Picky with 1 Cost Echoes, since the Mainstats are extremly limited with them, trying to max them out first is probably your best decission, so i would recommend for your Pickyness 1 Cost > 4 Cost > 3 Cost, its gonna be a while till you get the perfect 3 Cost unit but for 1 and 4 Cost that might be easier to achieve and since Substats are Equal( as in the range and chances are the same no matter the cost) its worth going for the 1 cost and 4 cost and just take the 3 cost as they are, the DMG bonus from the Main Stats is important as well and you dont need to get the Perfect set right from the start so its worth taking a "bad" echo that just has slightly good stats over no Stats
Whats important to mention, this makes this whole thing very easy to understand, its literally the bread and butter of this. is that GETTING ECHOES DOESNT CONSUME YOUR ENERGY, its completely free, you just have to put in time to farm them, but you can do it as much as you want to. GETTING TUNERS DOES HOWEVER, thats why you should save your 5 star tuners as much as possible, and treat echoes as disposables.
Another tip: if all you're doing for the day is farm echoes, you can lower your world level and go around 1-2 shotting everything. It can be changed every 12 hours; and you do it by going to the pause menu, next to your union level display (under avatar), find an exclamation mark and tap it.
It does affect the material drop rarity thou, if you are farming boss monster then it wouldn't matter much unless u are claiming the materials but overworld mobs materials drops is dependent on their lvl so take note. Also with there being a double 3 times simulation right now lowering your world lvl will lock u out of the best rewards for 12 hrs. I tried it out for fun this morning without reading its a 12hr cd and now I am stuck waiting.
If you really want to min-max, use two purples and one green xp tube to just barely reach level 5, since if you use one gold one you'll end up wasting that extra echo xp that goes above what's required to reach level 5. You can reliably get green tubes from the synthesizer with the new update too, which makes getting the most out of your resources much more convenient. Also, use the sorting tab near the bottom to make cycling through good crit dmg/rate echos much easier instead of having to click through a bunch of them each time.
Nah just focus on main stats and don't burn yourself with how the rng drops on main stats are dog water. Also we don't even have that much exp mats cause they're dog sht of a drop soo spreading exp ain't a good thing to tip. We're still in the early game so just focus on getting the right stats on 433 then you're good.
A big tip that might not be obvious but a lot of sub-dps characters work just fine with a Moonlit set with DPS stats. Saves a lot of resources if you only go for the element set for your main DPS's and keep your support and sub dps with the healing and energy sets and swap between them.
this is only applicable only to 4 cost echoes since you can farm them infinitely, for cost 3 echoes, you really cant throw away your elemental 3 cost just because the 1st roll is trash lmao
i mean you can jump into coop and refarm there so its technical infinite as well, just not as easy since you still need to find a coop world that allows to farm with you but yeah i get what you mean
True.. this can only apply to cost 4 echo and maybe cost 1 because theyre plenty of cost 1 echo around. But not cost 3 elite echoes, they are more hard to find.
@@hrishavdas6999 well thats why we get echoes in events that let us choose set and mainstats so we all can get closer to the dream of a perfect electro dmg bonus electro set echo, kuro is making it possible
It's other way around, easier to get the 3 cost with the main stat u want,u just select the echo set u want and go through each of the mobs in it. Farming for CRate/CDmg 4cost echo are already a pain,now imagine throwing away cause 1st substat isn't a crit? That's just stupid
yep not to mention many are stuck at DB18. It's not everyday we get away from 4 star echo. Definitely it's works better for 4 cost echo (boss type) which has better drop rate & easier to get crit main stat.
@yaaaan6763 Exactly, imagine spending a day worth of WP 240 for a 4 gold & 28 purple exp mats like where will it bring me ? After that nothing to do besides burning yourself through farming a demon main stats which I don't do much cause I'm afraid I'll burn myself when I can feel the game has potential.
I think it will be good tip to people who just start farming orange echoes, to just find ones with right mainstat for your main damage dealer and upgrade them to max, you will probably have some luck in substats and it will good starting point before maxing everything.
flat stats are pretty good in this game, 50 atk when you have like 2k at max, is 2.5% overall dmg increase, when your 8% basic attack dmg increase is additive 8% to you already having like 100% other dmg increases which makes it 4% only to basic, when even basic attack characters deals like 50% of their dmg from basic attacks, making it only 2% overall dmg increase dont trash flat atk, most of the time its better than dmg% increases
Appreciate the tips btw I will try this method, but seems like too much time tho. So I either will stick to it for a single character or just do what I did before lmao Be like me: > Farm for Taoqi > See her scales off def > Max stack on def > Echoes gives CC out of pity > Still land a solid damage
at UL 40 you get 15 gold tuners and about 20k exp from tacet fields. a +5 echo requires 10 gold tuners and about 4k exp. after about 12 +5 echoes, you'll have enough exp stockpiled to fully level the echo once you get the stats you want. once you've stockpiled that much, you might as well start going to +15, which requires 30 gold tuners and about 40k exp, otherwise you'll have excess exp. you have a higher chance of getting the substat if you already got one you don't want because substats can't be duplicated
This is kinda the best way to get so sick of the game you uninstall it after 1 week lol Same thing I said for people clearing the whole map on HSR, just don't eventually things will sort themselves out anyway and you won't hate the game.
very true i love the game but i have also realized how badly i screwed myself at the same time lmao, unless they fix the Echo resource collection/farming, it may be the reason I drop it despite loving it. It's gonna take me a loong time of logging on daily to fix it :(
I never thought of doing this, I've always had good luck with stats but sometimes I just don't get what I want and this looks like a very good way to secure it. Thank you
Hint from a MMORPG-Player: Two friends and myself did it like this: I lowered my world, then everyone had three bosses assisgned. Then you just rotate around your three bosses and kill them. After half an hour, you can make a short coffee break and go to every boss location and get A LOT of stacked echos. Then repeat for as long as you want (and have coffee or alcohol lol). Fun fact: If the world owner needs to go off, the world still stays online for 15 min. So you can go on with farming (for ONLY 15 MIN!!!), teleport, boss respawn etc. Have fun farming :)
@@freelix-44 Haven't tested it in a while, but back then it absolutely worked. It is the very reason I'm now always struggling with inventory space🤣just try to regularly check the other boss locations so the echos don't despawn (back then, you had a lot of time, literally 30 min or so, I don't expect that they changed it)
Something that could be nice to know is that the Elite Echo Selectors we get from events are guaranteed to be the element set and main stat. Hoochief gives Aero DMG Bonus on Stirring Gales set, the purple heron gives Electro DMG on Void Thunder set and so on. So can use those to get one of your Elites if you need to.
Honestly the best tip is to not sweat it out. Especially before UL40. And it's not even about an "MMO grindset", you're just gated by the resources the game gives you and the mobs that spawn even if you pity exploit them. If you don't want to farm that much then just get the right main start and get a +25 on all of them. Maybe only try to swap an echo if it has more than 2 bad stats. Min-maxing like this is hilarious on a game with not that challenging content honestly. (Or, challenge comes from you knowing the boss mechanics instead of a dps check) You're just end up loosing tuners and wasting a ton of resources and stamina for like 200 more dps in the grand scheme of things. If nothing else, doing it right now is hilariously bad waste of time as you can always loose the 50/50 on purple rarity on top of all the rng bullshit.
Wow another way to minmax scarce resources. This is actually informative and in regards to echo farming and tuning. I guess i have to farm havoc bonus for Havoc MC and to build Yinlin's echoes but im using this method. So I hope I get lucky in tuning.
Been farming mephis for my calcharo, 10 in a row are purple drops so i gave up... Still using my crit rate purple mephis up to this day (it has heavy attack, er, cd, attack%)
Unlocking the first substat and seeing that it's not good and recycling is the worst way to level echoes. The reason being you end up recycling so many times that your sunken cost (25% exp and 70% tuner are not refunded) overshadows the amount you are saving by not going to +25. Let's say you are putting together your "starter sets", using the criteria of CR and CD must be present in the end result and the other 3 rolls can be anything. Stopping at +10 (so if first two rolls aren't CR or CD), you need on avg 78 tries, 334125 exp, 1098 tuners Stopping at +25 (continue to roll until requirement cannot be satisfied), you need on avg 7.8 tries, 385020 exp and 288 tuners At UL40, you get on avg 22500 exp and 15 tuner. This means that you need to on avg run TFs 73.2 times to get enough tuners to get your desired roll, if you stop at +10. Stopping at +25, on avg you need to run TFs 19.2 times to afford enough tuners. In both cases, you are tuner bottle necked and not exp locked.
Before tossing any 3 costs as fodder, since it's very hard to get 3 costs with right main stat and element set, I would advice to keep the one you have even with bad rolls until farming and rolling better substats.
Ok so I've just checked this video earlier then decided to test it. I thought my yinlin build couldn't go better but after doing this her crit dmg went to 262% with 58% crit chnc. Plus the discarded lvl 5s can be also fed to other echoes for other characters so it's not really a waste. This is very helpful thank you so much!
Echo exp will be more available the higher your Ascension level is. Lvl 39 below is letting you force to use Purple echoes, there's a different material to use to Tune echoes for each blue, purple and gold echoes
A little tip for all the fodder: If you use them to level up other echoes, you will retain some of the tuners used for sub stats, so that way it's not a complete waste of materials, and you can save some of your exp tubes in the process. Hope that helps!
I'm not sure if I fully agree but I understand the sentiments on why only roll for 1 tuning, but my gripe with WuWa's echo sytem is that it takes so much time to farm especially for 3-cost echoes cause you have to go all over the map to find the TDs. moreover, what's worse is the probability of gettin the set + the elem dmg corresponding on the set. Unlike in Genshin goblets where you can still use the goblet with elem dmg that may not be appropriate for the artifact set - like Deepwood with Hydro Dmg, you can still use it especially if it has good substats as off-piece. In WuWa, you won't be able to use 3-cost echoes with different elem dmg on an elem set - Glacio Set with other Elem dmg set aside from echoes. I find the building og characters more tedious in WuWa despite not needing waveplates to farm for these, but the probability og getting the correct elem dmg on a correct set is just crazy. Then if you got the proper one, next issue now is getting the proper substats. My biggest issue with this is the need for materials just to tune the echoes. These are quite limited - unlike in genshin where you get the substats just from leveling the artifacts, WuWa's echoes need separate materials for substats - and then you need separate materials to level echoes - you cannot use other echoes unless they are leveled up. I don't know, whoever decided the echoes to be farmed this way is crazy...
If you recicle in level 5 you can save XP and shell credit, but not turners, because the cost for turning is the same in every level. +10 is the sweet spot between save shell credit, turners and xp.
I've actually been doing this already. If I have an abundance of echoes with the correct main stat, I'll gradually level them up, stopping every time I get a bad stat. However, the correct DMG bonus echoes are quite hard to obtain, so I'll check until 3rd tuning and see how it goes. If I get more bad stats, I would obviously stop...BUT sometimes I get this intrusive "what if" I get a good stat on the next tuning (because the odds of having bad stats is now lower), so I go all the way lol
Farming for Calcharo and Yinlin... Mostly Fusion Herons and even when I get an Electro one, it's not an Electro DMG%+ one. The pain is real and I'm getting real tired. Finally got ONE Electro Heron with the Electro damage. First stat flat DEF. Fine, lets see the second.. DEF%. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever go beyond the first stat unless it's Crit from now on. Thanks for the vid!
I stop farming 5-set echoes and start farming lingering tunes and moonlight set for 3 cost echoes. It's easier to slap whatever dmg bonus you get in lingering tunes/moonlight to other character. With 2 sets-2 sets... It's easier to get 43311, 44111, and 4431 I am happy with my Encore using Glacio echo boss for her echo skills
The bummer is really there is no way to do anything with all the echoes that you are not going to use. Would love if they also gave xp based on their color
managed to get Crit rate and dmg on all my yinlin echoes in less than 3 months. Played for 3 years and never finished getting good crit values on my pyro artifacts on genshin.
you could add what to do with a upgraded bad echo. You get the exp spend on them, but how much exp is lost by melting it. You loose the tuning resource but you gain majority of the exp spend.
I've been leveling all my echoes to 10 and checking my first 2 substats every time. But I play this game a lot and don't mind farming, so I will take the lvl 5 advice because I am starving for echo exp. Great video, great tips, thank you 🙏
As a Warframe and Guild Wars 2 veteran I can confirm that farming in this is game is so easy that I really took 5 minutes to think what's the catch and where are the real items. Took me 2 days to get from data bank 8 to 19. Now I spam and pray, still sucks i need UL 40 to claim data bank 19.
This advice is great. Though, that first dreamless you showed kinda goes against all this logic and demonstrates how it can still pay off as those last 4 sub stats are pretty much the best possible rolls. I also think it’s fine to have non-perfect echoes so early into the game. As long as you have 3 useful substats or maybe double crit and nothing else then it’s fine to keep for now. But for end game, this strat is definitely the way to go when trying to find the final echoes to perfect your builds. Also, hoping Brad brings out a Yinlin guide as he’s always my go to for 5star guides 😊🤞
He himself acknowledged that the first dreamless was a mistake that ended up working out well thanks to extreme luck for him, but the odds of that happening are likely so low that it’s not worth trying to reproduce
MAJOR TIPP for quicker echo farming is setting your world level down one level. The drops will still be depending on your databank level but the echos will be a LOT weaker 🤙
WUWA absolutely needs to allow you to break down echos for level up material, leveling up echos is the worst part of farming for them you need to use so much stamina just to get one to 25
Oh wow, me being dumb just mindlessly upgraded Ferilian Beringal wifh crit rate. Good thing tune gave me additional crit rate of 9.9%. Thanks for this! I will definitely follow this suggestion.
Echo level 0-20 takes about 80-85k exp, then from 20 to 25 takes about 63k exp, only fully upgrade your echo if you have at least 2 good substats because tuners are rare and we can't use any lower rarity tuners for some weird reason
I got a crit rate Lampylumen Myriad right after getting Abyss Surges for Lingyang, leveled it up to 5, and got 10% crit rate, level 10 gave energy regen, level 15 gave crit damage, levels 20 and 25 gave hp and atk though
Slight optimization if you REALLY want to pinch pennies: use your lower leveling materials to ensure you don't exceed the EXP threshold for level x5 breakpoints, so you don't end up wasting the exp if you toss the piece.
For anyone under UL40 and databank 19. Just enjoy your game because that 50% gold drop rate is miserable to farm. 1.1 is going to boost tacile discord field so just take it slow until UL40 and 1.1
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how is this comment 1 day ago?
PLS make a Jiyan or Calcharo guild ,my builds suck
2nd
Can you tell me what a Perfect dreamless would be?
Also, ever find a shiny one?
Glacio damge of Havoc set and Havoc damge on Glacio set, we all felt that
I relate with the getting glacio damage on a havoc set so much
To me, that only matters when they have an off-piece echo system but they don't. So I think it's better to reduce the RNG and just match the elemental dmg bonus to the echo set. And just make it random for some more general sets.
They should change this because its so frustrating
Like i don't even agree that relic (echo) farming is better than genshin, sure farm infinite but why the F do i get electro dmg on fusion set or fusion on electro set thats trolling like i don't have all day to grind like that not all of us have 24h free per day
They have to change it at least so element dmg bonus only roll on their set
I swear I have like every possible combination of Fusion DMG on each set EXCEPT Fusion...
One way to fix this for just one character is to buy 2 echoes from Illusive Realm Rewards shop. The key is to buy a pair, always. So that you guarantee that at least 1 character has full set of matching elemental pieces. I made a mistake: bought Havoc Tambourinist for Danjin and Flautist for Calcharo. Now my Danjin is good, but Calcharo is still missing a matching violet heron piece, and it is a rare one.
Yes, you can infinitely farm, but this will cost you most valuable resource - your lifespan
Yeah, after I got sonata set I just upgrade it to the highest and I stop so I still have resources. Sure, I can't do the end game contents "perfectly" but then again I don't play this game avidly since it's gacha game.
Would really help if they add option to actually reroll substats.
A small price to pay for 4.8% crit chance.
You cannot farm infinitely except bosses. Also, the game gives you 10 guaranteed echos dropped from bosses and elite monsters every week. For cost 1 and 3 echo, you can farm until they run out of it in your world, which will respawn next day.
How dare you, my Rover is fine with his 5% CR and 192% CD.
😂 really mine too
Same.. but mine is 11cr😂
Same here😂
Same, then I finally got a 5* CR dreamless and the genesis sword and I went from slapping like a wet noodle to mopping everything on the map.
Hahahahaha
I'm on day 6 of still trying to find the Healing Bonus main stat from that damn Tortoise 💀
Edit #1:
Day 18, I've finally found 1x Healing Bonus on Rejuvenation Set, alongside 2x Healing bonus on Moonlit Set.
The tunings are trashy, but I'll take it anyway
Same, got crit rate and crit dmg💀💀💀
SAME ;-;
I just got 2 days ago 1 healing bonus after grinding for almost 10days, haven't upgraded it yet.
Warm reminder if your support is verina, attack bonus works too, since all of her healing scales off of her attack stat
It's always Crit, I swear
Sounds good, to those who have plenty of extra time farm limitless
you can't farm limitless anyway. this only applies to 4 costs and if you're not multiplayer hopping all day, the supply of 3 and 1 costs is pretty limited every day.
Only the 4c are limitless. The rest have limits.
@@dshearwf Unless you go multiplayer
Imagine rolling a elemental damage% on the right set 3 cost, and you just trash it because first substat was bad
@@asoret it's okay with 3 costs, since those are the last ones you roll. their leveled mainstat alone carries them. no point in going for perfect 3 cost substats, if you don't have perfect 4 and 1 costs yet. With that priority you save alot of resources and nerves :p
cost 3 are the hardest, you have to have the right element dmg bonus on the right set and the right substats. There's no offset, so if you get fusion dmg bonus on a havoc set then it's completely useless
Agreed. 3 cost are a 2.5% chance for dB 18 and 4% chance for dB 19 to get the right stat and right set if it drops .Plus its limited per day unless you co-op so I won't recommend throwing it away so early.
At least the Elite Echo Selectors are guaranteed to be correct DMG bonus on their set. I got a cracked for Jianxin using it.
Exactly, the most annoying thing in gachha games 🤧
I FEEL LIKE THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT BECAUSE I DIDNT SAY IT IN THE VIDEO:
GET YOURSELF A FULL SET OF THE RIGHT MAINSTATS FIRST
THIS VIDEO IS TARGETTING END GAME AFTER YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN EVERYONE THE RIGHT MAIN STATS AND NEED TO MINMAX/UPGRADE
Thank youuu.
It's already a PITA to get Critrate dreamless 😂
I'll have just to live with mediocre substats
Should probably pin this comment.
oh god crit rate feilian for jiyan is gonna be hell
This good tip on tuning echo cause I’ve been just been fully tuning them without thinking at all
As you should. Spending hours farming that one perfect echo is some unemployed mindset bs
@@legacymse7095 it not necessarily unemployed mindset if you want to make sure it a really good echo you want to make use
@@monkeydluffy5054 You're right ofcourse, but if you're really unlucky it can take you an unlimited amount of time to get the perfect piece. Unless you really want to min/max your characters and have a lot of time to spare to farm echoes, this is not really recommended. Once you have characters built with decent pieces and just want to make them better then yes its definitely the way to go, but would not recommend most players do this when first starting out, cause if you're unlucky you just won't even have any build characters to do any content with until you happen to get lucky.
your first echo is your best echo. dont try to reach perfection first, you should tune some echoes especialy your main dps to atleast +20. then you can start farm them. you can't farm echoes with no damage. trash substat echoes still give you more damage than no echo.
you did right, nobody but only sweat no lifers do this shit lol, imagine tuning one stat by one and dropping if it rolls bad stat, actually boring as fuck lol.
First of all, how dare you call me out with that title like that, second of all, thank you I needed this guide, my DPS is so low 😂😂😂
Make sure you fully level the characters and weapons, and maxing out traces helps a lot. Echoes are great but they should be done last because they are far harder to get good ones.
Same, I have Heron lvl55 Hologram's pattern down, but cant kill it in time.
@@monopoman even if you get good 5* echo ,but then you get trash substats ☠️
honestly farming for more than a few echoes with correct mainstat sounds soul crushing
now there are 2 Things i want to point out before people start to min max their sets:
1. You still should have atleast some sort of set Equiped even if it has bad stats, those stats can still be an improvement over no Stats since i see a lot of people just leveling their echoes to 5 and then trash them just to waste the very limited early resources and not using some of those, what i did was with the few first 5* Echoes i had, that i leveled them to like 15 and just tuned them to get some stats out of my character and did that with most DPS for my 2 Teams and then started minmaxing to get better echoes since even the bad ones can boost your strenght in the tower and other content so dont just trash the echo, use them if they can give you some sort of value
2. DO NOT level up past 20 in the beginning, something that people dont seem to know but the amount of EXP you need to go from 20 - 25 is almost the same as when you level from 0-20 so its not worth in the beginning to level your echoes to 25, if you have good rolls, stop at 20 for now until you have all the echos ready and just then start leveling to 25 because you dont want to waste that much exp for 1 Substat if you could get 4 with the same amount of resources
3. you can be very Picky with 1 Cost Echoes, since the Mainstats are extremly limited with them, trying to max them out first is probably your best decission, so i would recommend for your Pickyness 1 Cost > 4 Cost > 3 Cost, its gonna be a while till you get the perfect 3 Cost unit but for 1 and 4 Cost that might be easier to achieve and since Substats are Equal( as in the range and chances are the same no matter the cost) its worth going for the 1 cost and 4 cost and just take the 3 cost as they are, the DMG bonus from the Main Stats is important as well and you dont need to get the Perfect set right from the start so its worth taking a "bad" echo that just has slightly good stats over no Stats
Thank you for all this knowledge after i already spent all my echo exp
Me and you both😂
I feel you fam same
So the main issue is to have infinite free time to actually keep grinding. But you may as well burn out in the process
Whats important to mention, this makes this whole thing very easy to understand, its literally the bread and butter of this. is that GETTING ECHOES DOESNT CONSUME YOUR ENERGY, its completely free, you just have to put in time to farm them, but you can do it as much as you want to. GETTING TUNERS DOES HOWEVER, thats why you should save your 5 star tuners as much as possible, and treat echoes as disposables.
Another tip: if all you're doing for the day is farm echoes, you can lower your world level and go around 1-2 shotting everything. It can be changed every 12 hours; and you do it by going to the pause menu, next to your union level display (under avatar), find an exclamation mark and tap it.
How to set it back?
It does affect the material drop rarity thou, if you are farming boss monster then it wouldn't matter much unless u are claiming the materials but overworld mobs materials drops is dependent on their lvl so take note. Also with there being a double 3 times simulation right now lowering your world lvl will lock u out of the best rewards for 12 hrs. I tried it out for fun this morning without reading its a 12hr cd and now I am stuck waiting.
Same way you lower it@@kenkaneki428
@@kenkaneki428 same way
Actually, thank you. Seriously. Thank you. I looked at many videos and this one was the only one that helped me the most. thanks again
If you really want to min-max, use two purples and one green xp tube to just barely reach level 5, since if you use one gold one you'll end up wasting that extra echo xp that goes above what's required to reach level 5. You can reliably get green tubes from the synthesizer with the new update too, which makes getting the most out of your resources much more convenient. Also, use the sorting tab near the bottom to make cycling through good crit dmg/rate echos much easier instead of having to click through a bunch of them each time.
This actually really help, thanks brax ♥️
Nah just focus on main stats and don't burn yourself with how the rng drops on main stats are dog water. Also we don't even have that much exp mats cause they're dog sht of a drop soo spreading exp ain't a good thing to tip. We're still in the early game so just focus on getting the right stats on 433 then you're good.
A big tip that might not be obvious but a lot of sub-dps characters work just fine with a Moonlit set with DPS stats. Saves a lot of resources if you only go for the element set for your main DPS's and keep your support and sub dps with the healing and energy sets and swap between them.
this is only applicable only to 4 cost echoes since you can farm them infinitely, for cost 3 echoes, you really cant throw away your elemental 3 cost just because the 1st roll is trash lmao
i mean you can jump into coop and refarm there so its technical infinite as well, just not as easy since you still need to find a coop world that allows to farm with you but yeah i get what you mean
True.. this can only apply to cost 4 echo and maybe cost 1 because theyre plenty of cost 1 echo around. But not cost 3 elite echoes, they are more hard to find.
@@viktorholm3386Naahh man even if u can farm like that. The electro dmg bonus on aero set curse is not that hard to beat 😂😂
@@hrishavdas6999 well thats why we get echoes in events that let us choose set and mainstats so we all can get closer to the dream of a perfect electro dmg bonus electro set echo, kuro is making it possible
It's other way around, easier to get the 3 cost with the main stat u want,u just select the echo set u want and go through each of the mobs in it. Farming for CRate/CDmg 4cost echo are already a pain,now imagine throwing away cause 1st substat isn't a crit? That's just stupid
I don't think i have the leverage to scrap a 3 cost echo that has elemental damage with only a single crit substat, shit is just way too rare
yep not to mention many are stuck at DB18. It's not everyday we get away from 4 star echo. Definitely it's works better for 4 cost echo (boss type) which has better drop rate & easier to get crit main stat.
Yeah the tip ain't really helping with how he's spreading the exp mats which you treat like a one of a thing treasure.
@yaaaan6763 Exactly, imagine spending a day worth of WP 240 for a 4 gold & 28 purple exp mats like where will it bring me ? After that nothing to do besides burning yourself through farming a demon main stats which I don't do much cause I'm afraid I'll burn myself when I can feel the game has potential.
@@JayceRustia they gonna increase the drops soon so it's currently better to use wp for other materials
You can just go with 4 4 1 1 1 for the time being.
i love the mech abomination not as an echo but as a boss, its so ominous and it never disappoint
Thank you for a very helpful & informative video. Your reasoning for how to build is well explained.
Thankfully this should up on my feed when I’m still early game, I’m farming for geshu Lin.. if he ever comes out lol
That's me loll
I think it will be good tip to people who just start farming orange echoes, to just find ones with right mainstat for your main damage dealer and upgrade them to max, you will probably have some luck in substats and it will good starting point before maxing everything.
thanks brax i was confused abt some stuff you cleared it for me :)
thank you so much . I hope your tips will help me a lot in the future
flat stats are pretty good in this game, 50 atk when you have like 2k at max, is 2.5% overall dmg increase, when your 8% basic attack dmg increase is additive 8% to you already having like 100% other dmg increases which makes it 4% only to basic, when even basic attack characters deals like 50% of their dmg from basic attacks, making it only 2% overall dmg increase
dont trash flat atk, most of the time its better than dmg% increases
Appreciate the tips btw
I will try this method, but seems like too much time tho. So I either will stick to it for a single character or just do what I did before lmao
Be like me:
> Farm for Taoqi
> See her scales off def
> Max stack on def
> Echoes gives CC out of pity
> Still land a solid damage
at UL 40 you get 15 gold tuners and about 20k exp from tacet fields. a +5 echo requires 10 gold tuners and about 4k exp. after about 12 +5 echoes, you'll have enough exp stockpiled to fully level the echo once you get the stats you want. once you've stockpiled that much, you might as well start going to +15, which requires 30 gold tuners and about 40k exp, otherwise you'll have excess exp. you have a higher chance of getting the substat if you already got one you don't want because substats can't be duplicated
This is kinda the best way to get so sick of the game you uninstall it after 1 week lol Same thing I said for people clearing the whole map on HSR, just don't eventually things will sort themselves out anyway and you won't hate the game.
So true, I don't even have a half of map uncovered.
Just upgrade any average dreamless echo if I beat that boss sometime
Everyone enjoys the game differently
very true i love the game but i have also realized how badly i screwed myself at the same time lmao, unless they fix the Echo resource collection/farming, it may be the reason I drop it despite loving it. It's gonna take me a loong time of logging on daily to fix it :(
I never thought of doing this, I've always had good luck with stats but sometimes I just don't get what I want and this looks like a very good way to secure it.
Thank you
Really helpful vid man
Hint from a MMORPG-Player: Two friends and myself did it like this: I lowered my world, then everyone had three bosses assisgned. Then you just rotate around your three bosses and kill them. After half an hour, you can make a short coffee break and go to every boss location and get A LOT of stacked echos. Then repeat for as long as you want (and have coffee or alcohol lol). Fun fact: If the world owner needs to go off, the world still stays online for 15 min. So you can go on with farming (for ONLY 15 MIN!!!), teleport, boss respawn etc. Have fun farming :)
did you use food that rise 50% echos absorption? I'd like to try it.
No wayyy, does this really work?
@@freelix-44 Haven't tested it in a while, but back then it absolutely worked. It is the very reason I'm now always struggling with inventory space🤣just try to regularly check the other boss locations so the echos don't despawn (back then, you had a lot of time, literally 30 min or so, I don't expect that they changed it)
i wish they can add a feature in the future that lets you change a specific sub roll from an echo... i feel it's gonna come, hopefully 🤞🏼
or just a garantue 1 sub stat that you can choose 1 time per 10 tries for example or something like that
This video just saved my account dude thank you
Something that could be nice to know is that the Elite Echo Selectors we get from events are guaranteed to be the element set and main stat. Hoochief gives Aero DMG Bonus on Stirring Gales set, the purple heron gives Electro DMG on Void Thunder set and so on. So can use those to get one of your Elites if you need to.
I was very confused on how I should be farming echoes, but now I have a plan on what to do, thank you o.0
Dude I just found this, and fortunately I've been doing this these couple of weeks! This is the best sigma grindset guide! 😆
Honestly the best tip is to not sweat it out. Especially before UL40. And it's not even about an "MMO grindset", you're just gated by the resources the game gives you and the mobs that spawn even if you pity exploit them. If you don't want to farm that much then just get the right main start and get a +25 on all of them. Maybe only try to swap an echo if it has more than 2 bad stats. Min-maxing like this is hilarious on a game with not that challenging content honestly. (Or, challenge comes from you knowing the boss mechanics instead of a dps check) You're just end up loosing tuners and wasting a ton of resources and stamina for like 200 more dps in the grand scheme of things. If nothing else, doing it right now is hilariously bad waste of time as you can always loose the 50/50 on purple rarity on top of all the rng bullshit.
Thanks Brax!
Banger vid very useful
EDIT: how to optimise your resources? FOCUS on skills before minmaxing echos. NO rng involved, permanent stats. is a no brainer.
Wow another way to minmax scarce resources. This is actually informative and in regards to echo farming and tuning. I guess i have to farm havoc bonus for Havoc MC and to build Yinlin's echoes but im using this method. So I hope I get lucky in tuning.
Been farming mephis for my calcharo, 10 in a row are purple drops so i gave up... Still using my crit rate purple mephis up to this day (it has heavy attack, er, cd, attack%)
You need to be at least Data Bank lvl 15 to get Gold Echoes
@@JLawrenciumi think they're referring to the fact that they lost the 50/50 gold echo drop 10 times in row
@Yinlin_main bruh I just reached level 38 today after completing yinlin's quest. I will need almost 20k exp to reach level 40 to unluck db 20...
Same here. I grinding non stop for a week and feel like wanted to give up as well (my data bank is 20)
Same with my with the aero monkey… only 4 star crit rate LOL and i’m DB 18 one day i’ll get a gold crit rate😭
oh my crap i did not realize how important and useful being able to farm the echoes in the overworld is, all the echoes I could have gotten!!
Wonderful video!!!
I've just been getting into Hologram and holy this is super helpful
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seriously needed this guide. thank you @braxophone!
Unlocking the first substat and seeing that it's not good and recycling is the worst way to level echoes. The reason being you end up recycling so many times that your sunken cost (25% exp and 70% tuner are not refunded) overshadows the amount you are saving by not going to +25. Let's say you are putting together your "starter sets", using the criteria of CR and CD must be present in the end result and the other 3 rolls can be anything.
Stopping at +10 (so if first two rolls aren't CR or CD), you need on avg 78 tries, 334125 exp, 1098 tuners
Stopping at +25 (continue to roll until requirement cannot be satisfied), you need on avg 7.8 tries, 385020 exp and 288 tuners
At UL40, you get on avg 22500 exp and 15 tuner. This means that you need to on avg run TFs 73.2 times to get enough tuners to get your desired roll, if you stop at +10. Stopping at +25, on avg you need to run TFs 19.2 times to afford enough tuners. In both cases, you are tuner bottle necked and not exp locked.
Before tossing any 3 costs as fodder, since it's very hard to get 3 costs with right main stat and element set, I would advice to keep the one you have even with bad rolls until farming and rolling better substats.
Ok so I've just checked this video earlier then decided to test it. I thought my yinlin build couldn't go better but after doing this her crit dmg went to 262% with 58% crit chnc. Plus the discarded lvl 5s can be also fed to other echoes for other characters so it's not really a waste. This is very helpful thank you so much!
Echo exp will be more available the higher your Ascension level is. Lvl 39 below is letting you force to use Purple echoes, there's a different material to use to Tune echoes for each blue, purple and gold echoes
Tip : Use the data bank merge system. You can get some good 3 cost and 1 cost gold echos.
I shouldn't watch this after 3 days in game
A little tip for all the fodder: If you use them to level up other echoes, you will retain some of the tuners used for sub stats, so that way it's not a complete waste of materials, and you can save some of your exp tubes in the process. Hope that helps!
I'm not sure if I fully agree but I understand the sentiments on why only roll for 1 tuning, but my gripe with WuWa's echo sytem is that it takes so much time to farm especially for 3-cost echoes cause you have to go all over the map to find the TDs. moreover, what's worse is the probability of gettin the set + the elem dmg corresponding on the set. Unlike in Genshin goblets where you can still use the goblet with elem dmg that may not be appropriate for the artifact set - like Deepwood with Hydro Dmg, you can still use it especially if it has good substats as off-piece. In WuWa, you won't be able to use 3-cost echoes with different elem dmg on an elem set - Glacio Set with other Elem dmg set aside from echoes. I find the building og characters more tedious in WuWa despite not needing waveplates to farm for these, but the probability og getting the correct elem dmg on a correct set is just crazy. Then if you got the proper one, next issue now is getting the proper substats. My biggest issue with this is the need for materials just to tune the echoes. These are quite limited - unlike in genshin where you get the substats just from leveling the artifacts, WuWa's echoes need separate materials for substats - and then you need separate materials to level echoes - you cannot use other echoes unless they are leveled up. I don't know, whoever decided the echoes to be farmed this way is crazy...
That's because they trying create single player mmo. God knows why.
If you recicle in level 5 you can save XP and shell credit, but not turners, because the cost for turning is the same in every level. +10 is the sweet spot between save shell credit, turners and xp.
If i found this video earlier, i would've level up smarter.
I've actually been doing this already. If I have an abundance of echoes with the correct main stat, I'll gradually level them up, stopping every time I get a bad stat. However, the correct DMG bonus echoes are quite hard to obtain, so I'll check until 3rd tuning and see how it goes. If I get more bad stats, I would obviously stop...BUT sometimes I get this intrusive "what if" I get a good stat on the next tuning (because the odds of having bad stats is now lower), so I go all the way lol
Very nice and good tips 👍🔥
Good advice man
Thank you. Now i understand what i want and what i need. 👍
Farming for Calcharo and Yinlin... Mostly Fusion Herons and even when I get an Electro one, it's not an Electro DMG%+ one. The pain is real and I'm getting real tired. Finally got ONE Electro Heron with the Electro damage. First stat flat DEF. Fine, lets see the second.. DEF%. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever go beyond the first stat unless it's Crit from now on. Thanks for the vid!
I stop farming 5-set echoes and start farming lingering tunes and moonlight set for 3 cost echoes.
It's easier to slap whatever dmg bonus you get in lingering tunes/moonlight to other character.
With 2 sets-2 sets...
It's easier to get 43311, 44111, and 4431
I am happy with my Encore using Glacio echo boss for her echo skills
Something i might try as an experiment is to min-max non crit damage to see how high i can push damage like that.
5:20 I needed this
The bummer is really there is no way to do anything with all the echoes that you are not going to use. Would love if they also gave xp based on their color
Thank u your video actually helped me lmao
Ty for the vid!
managed to get Crit rate and dmg on all my yinlin echoes in less than 3 months. Played for 3 years and never finished getting good crit values on my pyro artifacts on genshin.
Thanks for the echo guide!👌😊
you could add what to do with a upgraded bad echo. You get the exp spend on them, but how much exp is lost by melting it. You loose the tuning resource but you gain majority of the exp spend.
Damn, I miss having a million shell credits. I'm down to two digits now.
I've been leveling all my echoes to 10 and checking my first 2 substats every time. But I play this game a lot and don't mind farming, so I will take the lvl 5 advice because I am starving for echo exp.
Great video, great tips, thank you 🙏
I thought Encore is giving us a middle finger in the thumbnail lol
That's what she does when I kill my foes
As a Warframe and Guild Wars 2 veteran I can confirm that farming in this is game is so easy that I really took 5 minutes to think what's the catch and where are the real items. Took me 2 days to get from data bank 8 to 19. Now I spam and pray, still sucks i need UL 40 to claim data bank 19.
This advice is great. Though, that first dreamless you showed kinda goes against all this logic and demonstrates how it can still pay off as those last 4 sub stats are pretty much the best possible rolls.
I also think it’s fine to have non-perfect echoes so early into the game. As long as you have 3 useful substats or maybe double crit and nothing else then it’s fine to keep for now. But for end game, this strat is definitely the way to go when trying to find the final echoes to perfect your builds.
Also, hoping Brad brings out a Yinlin guide as he’s always my go to for 5star guides 😊🤞
He himself acknowledged that the first dreamless was a mistake that ended up working out well thanks to extreme luck for him, but the odds of that happening are likely so low that it’s not worth trying to reproduce
“What’s taking damage on the background” literally me while I’m just looking for Resobeacons to activate across the map
YESSS farming echos doesn't consume waveplates but the time required is insane. The echos are so far apart on the map that it's frustrating.
"My God this MC is so pretty." You're so real for that lmao.
MAJOR TIPP for quicker echo farming is setting your world level down one level. The drops will still be depending on your databank level but the echos will be a LOT weaker 🤙
WUWA absolutely needs to allow you to break down echos for level up material, leveling up echos is the worst part of farming for them you need to use so much stamina just to get one to 25
0:01 i know. the saurian mobs ive killed those there for so long
this video is the embodiment of “source: trust me bro”
i recommend upgrading ur main dps' echos to max regardless of sub stats just to utilize the main stat so u can actually farm faster
Oh wow, me being dumb just mindlessly upgraded Ferilian Beringal wifh crit rate. Good thing tune gave me additional crit rate of 9.9%.
Thanks for this! I will definitely follow this suggestion.
I need a video on getting Echo Levelling Materials a lot more than figuring out substats right now. But good video still
I recommend wathing Sweetily then, she just released that video
Echo level 0-20 takes about 80-85k exp, then from 20 to 25 takes about 63k exp, only fully upgrade your echo if you have at least 2 good substats because tuners are rare and we can't use any lower rarity tuners for some weird reason
I got a crit rate Lampylumen Myriad right after getting Abyss Surges for Lingyang, leveled it up to 5, and got 10% crit rate, level 10 gave energy regen, level 15 gave crit damage, levels 20 and 25 gave hp and atk though
Very helpful video
this video has made me realize its good that im cheap because ive been doing this
it does help a lot!! definitely a good tip
best part of this video is hearing tarisland is coming soon!
can't wait!
The issue I have with only leveling to 5 or 10 is that you save a lot of exp, but I ran out of tuners fast haha.
thanks for the guide and I'll still proceed with what I usually do 🤣
Yes bosses echoes can be farmed infinitely but lower cost echoes run out and gotta wait until they reset which is like an irl day
Slight optimization if you REALLY want to pinch pennies: use your lower leveling materials to ensure you don't exceed the EXP threshold for level x5 breakpoints, so you don't end up wasting the exp if you toss the piece.
not even a perfect dreamless, begins to show the best dreamless ive seen anywhere XDDD
For anyone under UL40 and databank 19. Just enjoy your game because that 50% gold drop rate is miserable to farm. 1.1 is going to boost tacile discord field so just take it slow until UL40 and 1.1