true that you can't have two same echoes to get the sonata effect, but it's still good to farm them. 3 cost echoes are a pain to grind because of the elemental substats
Guys, you should probably keep in mind that lowering your world level is generally only good when you currently have a good dps but bad echoes, or you're just that far off into the end game and is still loaded enough to not care. Because other than that you generally could use the extra materials from those drops. You should only do it if echoes are the only necessities left to farm.
Yeah just take it easy guys. I already burned out once, started on release then quit at union level 43. I just got back yesterday for changli release and got her and her weapon 😂 I love this game it's a lot of fun, just don't turn it into a job and burnout.
I just target farmed the most limited ones, lightning 3 costs, but instead of teleporting from one to the next I ran to it as long as it wasnt more than two zones away, killing everything in between as well as grabbing chests and puzzles. Doing this gave me max data bank, all of the 1 and 3 costs I needed for every other set and map exploration in the 80-90% range without being overly tedious.
I noticed that for glowie monsters, I teleported away to not ruin my pity, but when i teleported back afterward it wasn't glowing anymore. Probably not worth it to hold off on killing those if you care about just getting more echoes in general
Unlocking the first substat and seeing that it's not good and recycling is the worst way to level echoes. The reason being you end up recycling so many times that your sunken cost (25% exp and 70% tuner are not refunded) overshadows the amount you are saving by not going to +25. Let's say you are putting together your "starter sets", using the criteria of CR and CD must be present in the end result and the other 3 rolls can be anything. Stopping at +10 (so if first two rolls aren't CR or CD), you need on avg 78 tries, 334125 exp, 1098 tuners Stopping at +25 (continue to roll until requirement cannot be satisfied), you need on avg 7.8 tries, 385020 exp and 288 tuners At UL40, you get on avg 22500 exp and 15 tuner each TF. This means that you need to on avg run TFs 73.2 times to get enough tuners to get your desired outcome, if you stop at +10. Stopping at +25, on avg you need to run TFs 19.2 times to afford enough tuners. In both cases, you are tuner bottle necked and not exp locked. And this coincides with your experience as you were out of tuners. Also, the 1:2 CR to CD ratio is nonsense. All you need to do is multiply the two stats together and whichever combination gives you higher number is better. This is of course ignoring other stat changes.
@@treezen522 It depends on your criteria. But I ran a couple different scenarios and you are always tuner bottle necked. This isn't about which resource you'd rather spend (exp or tuner), but more about what's the most efficient way to level echoes. If you don't care about being resource efficient, you can level echoes in whatever way you deem fitting. I actually coded a simulator and the numbers match. The simulator took it a step further and took into account that you can stop early if the criteria can no longer be satisfied, where as the combinatorial analysis looked at the worst case scenario (always going to max rolls). It is still better to go to +25 provided you can still meet the criteria. The only exception is if your criteria is only CR and CD, at UL50, it's better to go to +20 instead, but for UL40, it's still better to go to +25.
I am reading this at 2a.m. and barely understanding any of it, hopefully if I leave this tab open, I’ll be able to re-read your comment in the morning and get what you mean, it sounds helpful
my wuthering waves journey/daily routine; login - use all waveplates - level up danjin - start hologram Temphest Mephis - die 120 times, (Mephis at 2HP) - log out for the day. tho danjin is hard to play, soloing with her is so good for developing your skills.
Yes there will be more HSR content! Sorry for the infrequent uploads, I've been trying to keep up the quality of uploads while balancing other projects!
Alot of useful info in this video. Brand new wuwa player in the middle of farming echoes myself too. Will definitely use these tips while i do my farming. Also waiting to get UL 40 so i can guarantee 5 star echoes.
3:40 incorrect, 2-2 is just marginally weaker than a full 5-set example is Jiyan, 2sierra/2lingering set Jiyan is on paper only 7% worse than full sierra Jiyan, and that's accounting for his weapon giving a decent amount of heavy atk bonus I used Jiyan as an example because technically he's the only DPS character in the game right now that has a "fully functioning meta team" (moonlit set Mortefi + Glow set Verina) wherein all the buffs can be funneled to Jiyan for maximum team DPS output.
Source: Trust me bro. 5 set dps set = 40% specific element dmg, 2+2 - 10% elemental and 10%ATK (which is less valuable in the dmg output calculation as is, as ATK is calculated before other multipliers). It is much much much easier to get ATK from various sources and not elemental dmg, which is multiplicative to all your attack. The difference is immense. Saying it’s close is crazy 🤣 The only time you want to do this is when you’re UL 20 and below and you just don’t have any echoes whatsoever.
I love the game currently and you guide helpes a lot . And can we give this pure Wolf a min 😢 he just minding his own business and than, the war loli came 13:40 and showed him what vietnam wars back in the days 😂.
I usually just got for 2 2 piece sets. While the bonus for the 4 piece is usually good... it is also more circumstantial.. and I prefer to play like a dumb brute player.
Heyy i realised that Bell-borne boss echo overlaps between moonlit and rejuvenating glow, i wanted to apply bell-borne for Verina in rejuvenating glow set but it only shows to be a part of moonlit T_T
this is probably the hardest echo to farm for your supports. specifically healing bonus because of how much it rolls into moonlight, and when it does roll into rejuvenated glow it’s always crit rate dmg or atk. you can always use the latter for verina until you do get healing bonus.
It's been so long since i saw a video posted by Nutty on youtube (though i think you maybe more active on twitch?) Anyways how's the game been going so far for you? And with the arrival of Jinhsi will you be pulling for her?
The game has been fun, excited to get more stuff to do in the next version! And yes I stream most days (Tuesdays to Saturdays GMT) on Twitch and will be pulling for her on release there!
Smh the pity trick on me a bit weird, It's more like even after i got an elites echoes.., it's still possible to dropping an echo And it forced me to start to 0, this happen quite often & it really cost lot sanity of mine..., repeating the pity that break on 1/2/3 & running around finding other elites on every continent before reaching the 4th pity of echo that i want
ruclips.net/video/n8AzInz4irw/видео.html i think you should edit this part or make note because (cmiiw) next patch you can convert lower tier tuner to higher tier, albeit don't know if it's unlimited or it have limited quantity per week (like synthesis exp core)
I wish echoes didnt exit. They annoy me in the game and to farm for them😢 so I focus on make my charas just strong using random echoes, which I think have cool fight style.
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I had no clue you can't have two of the same three cost echoes, you just saved me hours. I was about to go on hunting for herons over multiple worlds
true that you can't have two same echoes to get the sonata effect, but it's still good to farm them. 3 cost echoes are a pain to grind because of the elemental substats
The same cost you can but not the same Echo because it won't work.
Learnt it the hard way
Guys, you should probably keep in mind that lowering your world level is generally only good when you currently have a good dps but bad echoes, or you're just that far off into the end game and is still loaded enough to not care. Because other than that you generally could use the extra materials from those drops. You should only do it if echoes are the only necessities left to farm.
Ty so much! I was struggling to grasp this whole “Echo” stuff and now I feel like I got it. Keep it up!
Yeah just take it easy guys. I already burned out once, started on release then quit at union level 43. I just got back yesterday for changli release and got her and her weapon 😂 I love this game it's a lot of fun, just don't turn it into a job and burnout.
I just target farmed the most limited ones, lightning 3 costs, but instead of teleporting from one to the next I ran to it as long as it wasnt more than two zones away, killing everything in between as well as grabbing chests and puzzles. Doing this gave me max data bank, all of the 1 and 3 costs I needed for every other set and map exploration in the 80-90% range without being overly tedious.
I noticed that for glowie monsters, I teleported away to not ruin my pity, but when i teleported back afterward it wasn't glowing anymore. Probably not worth it to hold off on killing those if you care about just getting more echoes in general
I wish I had seen this guide earlier. It still is useful!
I wish I could triple like this video dude is funny and very helpful guide
Most useful guide ive seen so far
13:40 I Didn't Know About This!
Same 😂
Unlocking the first substat and seeing that it's not good and recycling is the worst way to level echoes. The reason being you end up recycling so many times that your sunken cost (25% exp and 70% tuner are not refunded) overshadows the amount you are saving by not going to +25. Let's say you are putting together your "starter sets", using the criteria of CR and CD must be present in the end result and the other 3 rolls can be anything.
Stopping at +10 (so if first two rolls aren't CR or CD), you need on avg 78 tries, 334125 exp, 1098 tuners
Stopping at +25 (continue to roll until requirement cannot be satisfied), you need on avg 7.8 tries, 385020 exp and 288 tuners
At UL40, you get on avg 22500 exp and 15 tuner each TF. This means that you need to on avg run TFs 73.2 times to get enough tuners to get your desired outcome, if you stop at +10. Stopping at +25, on avg you need to run TFs 19.2 times to afford enough tuners. In both cases, you are tuner bottle necked and not exp locked. And this coincides with your experience as you were out of tuners.
Also, the 1:2 CR to CD ratio is nonsense. All you need to do is multiply the two stats together and whichever combination gives you higher number is better. This is of course ignoring other stat changes.
thanks for this! a lot of CC are saying if your 1st sub is trash dont even bother. you explained it thoughrouly.
So, it's better to just go for +25 rather than stopping at +10? Have you verified this? Bcs i would rather spend more Tuners than echo exp tho
@@treezen522 It depends on your criteria. But I ran a couple different scenarios and you are always tuner bottle necked. This isn't about which resource you'd rather spend (exp or tuner), but more about what's the most efficient way to level echoes. If you don't care about being resource efficient, you can level echoes in whatever way you deem fitting.
I actually coded a simulator and the numbers match. The simulator took it a step further and took into account that you can stop early if the criteria can no longer be satisfied, where as the combinatorial analysis looked at the worst case scenario (always going to max rolls). It is still better to go to +25 provided you can still meet the criteria. The only exception is if your criteria is only CR and CD, at UL50, it's better to go to +20 instead, but for UL40, it's still better to go to +25.
I am reading this at 2a.m. and barely understanding any of it, hopefully if I leave this tab open, I’ll be able to re-read your comment in the morning and get what you mean, it sounds helpful
Love the data bank progression system
Flat ATK is actually pretty strong at least on level 70. I can't tell how good it is at higher levels but it's good at 70 for sure.
my wuthering waves journey/daily routine; login - use all waveplates - level up danjin - start hologram Temphest Mephis - die 120 times, (Mephis at 2HP) - log out for the day.
tho danjin is hard to play, soloing with her is so good for developing your skills.
Im also building danjin, shes so cute
Great guide
I wish wuwa had released back in 2020 during quarantine lmao
I had all the time in the world to farm
Imagine being locked down
Been enjoying your WuWa content. Any chance there will also be HSR content as well? Really respect your content there.
Yes there will be more HSR content! Sorry for the infrequent uploads, I've been trying to keep up the quality of uploads while balancing other projects!
Alot of useful info in this video. Brand new wuwa player in the middle of farming echoes myself too. Will definitely use these tips while i do my farming. Also waiting to get UL 40 so i can guarantee 5 star echoes.
I demand more wuwa content from u. If i see it. Ill sub. If i dont… maybe ill sub. Good job regardless
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3:40 incorrect, 2-2 is just marginally weaker than a full 5-set
example is Jiyan, 2sierra/2lingering set Jiyan is on paper only 7% worse than full sierra Jiyan, and that's accounting for his weapon giving a decent amount of heavy atk bonus
I used Jiyan as an example because technically he's the only DPS character in the game right now that has a "fully functioning meta team" (moonlit set Mortefi + Glow set Verina) wherein all the buffs can be funneled to Jiyan for maximum team DPS output.
Source: Trust me bro.
5 set dps set = 40% specific element dmg, 2+2 - 10% elemental and 10%ATK (which is less valuable in the dmg output calculation as is, as ATK is calculated before other multipliers).
It is much much much easier to get ATK from various sources and not elemental dmg, which is multiplicative to all your attack.
The difference is immense. Saying it’s close is crazy 🤣 The only time you want to do this is when you’re UL 20 and below and you just don’t have any echoes whatsoever.
I love the game currently and you guide helpes a lot . And can we give this pure Wolf a min 😢 he just minding his own business and than, the war loli came 13:40 and showed him what vietnam wars back in the days 😂.
“loli” please keys and unalive
I think you can use the sensor to check if the echos will drop. I’ve scanned a few echos and the ones that drop had something different about them
Waaaahhtt😮
@@tacticalgaming7832 yea try it
Ya it gib butterfly in yo stomach when u sensor 😂
New echos just launched, need a new guide
I usually just got for 2 2 piece sets. While the bonus for the 4 piece is usually good... it is also more circumstantial.. and I prefer to play like a dumb brute player.
Heyy i realised that Bell-borne boss echo overlaps between moonlit and rejuvenating glow, i wanted to apply bell-borne for Verina in rejuvenating glow set but it only shows to be a part of moonlit T_T
this is probably the hardest echo to farm for your supports. specifically healing bonus because of how much it rolls into moonlight, and when it does roll into rejuvenated glow it’s always crit rate dmg or atk. you can always use the latter for verina until you do get healing bonus.
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Comeback 😮🤯
Echoes cost 143k exp to raise from lvl 0 to 25, not from 20 to 25
Resonance dmg or crit dmg or raw attack % damage
Ideally for a main or sub dps you'd want atleast 1 crit roll. 2 is best other than those 2 its anything else except flat stats
Does the glowy echo reset the pity ?
Yep!
It's been so long since i saw a video posted by Nutty on youtube (though i think you maybe more active on twitch?)
Anyways how's the game been going so far for you?
And with the arrival of Jinhsi will you be pulling for her?
The game has been fun, excited to get more stuff to do in the next version! And yes I stream most days (Tuesdays to Saturdays GMT) on Twitch and will be pulling for her on release there!
I dont even know what 5star echo looks like. Also i spent all of my tuners. Yuh i know im cooked. UL31 btw
My data bank level is 21
Smh the pity trick on me a bit weird,
It's more like even after i got an elites echoes.., it's still possible to dropping an echo
And it forced me to start to 0,
this happen quite often & it really cost lot sanity of mine...,
repeating the pity that break on 1/2/3 & running around finding other elites on every continent before reaching the 4th pity of echo that i want
ruclips.net/video/n8AzInz4irw/видео.html
i think you should edit this part or make note because (cmiiw) next patch you can convert lower tier tuner to higher tier, albeit don't know if it's unlimited or it have limited quantity per week (like synthesis exp core)
this video alrdy wrong in so many ways since from 0-25 it's alrdy only 160k exp ca.
Echoes aren't the problem, upgrade material is.
I wish echoes didnt exit. They annoy me in the game and to farm for them😢 so I focus on make my charas just strong using random echoes, which I think have cool fight style.
honestly best echo guide, so many helpful tips!! ty so much 🫶🏻
WHAT WE NEED IS ECHO EXP RATE UP +++ THAT IT