Ok so I've burned through all my echo xp and I've decided that this does indeed work. Six out of eight +15 echos rolled a crit line when attempting to roll at 15 second intervals. Pretty crazy. Great for 3 cost echos where I consider even one crit line a win. Thanks for sharing this information.
Your line of thinking is appropriate for a brand new player, but if you're pushing higher difficulty content or if you are trying to be efficenct with your rescources then you should not be rolling 15 echoes...you roll one line at a time, and you weed out the ones with the worst stats. Line up 5-10 echoes, roll each one, use a stat hierarchy to decide which get pushed to line two, and then line 3. If you brick the best ones, you move on yo the second best stat, and then so on and so forth. But if you hit something like flat Def or Def%, etc early...bail out. Reason being is you lose exponentially more tuners with each line. You lose 7 for line one, 14 for line 2, 21 for line 3. So if you are pushing to 3 every time and getting copium pieces then you're consistently wasting 2 attempts that could be put into other echoes and you don't even get 1 attempt back when you throw that piece into another. If you want to try this method he shows but with 1 line per attempt, then go ahead. But be warned that if you do what he is doing, you are going to be hurting for tuners sooner than someone else who is more careful. Good luck.
Lore informed "RNG" is wild lol. But honestly clearly this is related tho however Kuro chose to generates seeds. Obvs more data needed to be super conclusive but the trend here is already very strong
@@BigBoiPnoy the blue and purple echoes seems to have more "luck" in getting crit stats based on my testing. But the substats dont have equal percentages
I am speechless.... I saw your discord. It's full of unintelligible math where real and obvious issues are raised and met with hasty generalizations based on unreasonable assumpsions. The perceived knowledge in there is absolutely fucked, its impressive to see them all convincing themselves through. Almost 3k likes, that is a lot of smooth brain. Its a shame.
@@Berserk-Gaming Confirmation bias in a nutshell. If we were talking 70-100% chance to roll the desired stat we'd have some kind of conversation, but his own data sheet linked is hovering around values easily explained by variance and group bias inconsistencies that come with extremely small data sets. People are more than free to do whatever summoning/tuning rituals they feel works for them, but there really isn't anything substantial here to denote a 'proper' way to tune echos. Do it if you want to, but it most likely doesn't actually matter.
I can approve this, i tried this and for the first time i got a perfect sub stats for my jinshi: Crt dmg, Crit Rate, Reasonance dmg, and Energy regen. Thank you for this guide 🙏🙏🙏
I swear there’s tinfoil hat theories in every game that has RNG involved. Everyone is a mathematician when it comes to obsessively chasing superstitions 💀 this proves nothing, unless Kuro provides us real data about it or if super computers run millions of simulations (which equates to how many tunes there are daily over the world), this is just another gaming rng myth
@@GbrlPlayer imagine all the people that didn't get good rolls though. The ones that are just going to brush this video off and not comment because it didn't actually change anything for them but they don't care enough to say it doesn't work.
You do understand that you might have gotten lucky? You can't base anything off one piece. Keep trying, record your data, and after gesring a few characters you can post your findings.
I've submitted some of my results on discord and I can 100% say that 80% of my double crit echoes are from X6:X5. Around 15% by X7:X5 and 5% just by pure chance. Even my friends who I introduced to the server are going nuts saying "oh damn this does work wtf" 💀 This shit saved me a fuck ton of resources. Thanks fam. SEA server btw. Edit: it seems like everyone is getting bad rolls on X6:X5 now and I must agree. I've been rolling for a few days now and I barely get anything I changed back to X7:X5 and I'm getting crits again. Lesson: JUST EXPERIMENT
@@BigBoiPnoy I stopped giving data after I got a lot because I don't really use discord much but I'll try giving data again. Because of this my Jinhsi's ratio is at 73/282 with 43311 lmao. I'll give data again when I start tuning for my Encore and Changli.
@@AqilaRarasati-yq9lx X just stand for the number beside the minutes and seconds. X6:X5 can mean anything like, 06;45 wherin 06 is the minutes and 45 is the seconds.
I usually don’t comment but this video was so useful that I wanted to share my experience, so I’ve been playing since launch and only got 3 double crits echoes, but after using this trick, I got 4 double crit echoes TODAY, and I’m super happy, I immediately shared it with one of my friends and he also got 3 double crits in the span of 1 hour. I’m so so lucky coming across this video on you guys’ research, I hope this video reach other people cause THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.
I know I'm a couple of weeks late to the party, but just wanted to say thanks for this information. Decided to try it once, and the 1st time I got Crit Rate and Crit Damage sub stat on a roll. Keep up the great work!
@@wut2doxiong978 Unless its a 4 star echo, not really. Theres only a few you can farm daily then you have to wait for a reset. Its really not much, especially if you farm the 3 star Echos
@@wut2doxiong978 yea thats why I said daily reset. And no I havent tried it out yet. I just log in for the daily missions and log off because im playing another game rn
If people need the Exact Time Clock on the same monitor where is WuWa, just switch WuWa to windowed and put the clock aside. Did on a 29" and room is fine, probably for smaller monitors need a resolution change and /or a Ctrl +/- to resize Exact Time window.
A player from SEA server here, I just tuned my lvl 15 echo at 3:42 pm, and I got energy regen, Crit.DMG and Reso Lib DMG, never got such good rolls throughout my time in wuwa, this is insane
Incredible if true. Being able to select for the best possible stats would be solid for characters with specific scaling (Resonance Damage for Changli, Defense for Taoqi, etc) alongside this time based method to manipulate the RNG, potentially perfect or above median substat rolls are possible.
Bro I was getting super frustrated with the game, cause I've been rolling for weeks always with terrible stats, people couldn't believe how unlucky I was being! You're a life saver!
@@BigBoiPnoy just one question, why are you tunning 3 at a time instead of one? i get that its a lot more time consuming but wouldnt you get better results going 1 by 1?
@@BigBoiPnoy ah I see fair enough! Thanks for the quick answer, Even though your channel covers games I dont care about I'll drop a sub in case more wuwa content is droppped in the future! Keep it up
@@BigBoiPnoy Rolled on 5 different echoes and got 2 echoes with CritDMG sub stats (which happened consecutively). Gonna keep testing but at least I can farm and save tuning them until 7 min. past the hour and hopefully up my chances. Thanks again!
omg the person i was searching for, I was saving tuners since launch (got about 3000 golden tuners) to finally use it when the best method of using will be published. I can finally say it is the best way I found yet.
They asked this on HSR also. We don’t got the money to test that. Same time even if we did know how to do that. We would gatekeep it cause we 100% would not what that to be patched.
@@BigBoiPnoy Gatekeeping probably won't help even. Company might be using some analytics software to detect abnormal patterns of outcomes across the game network.
@@strakyman He means the gacha for 5 star characters. I tend to believe this possibility too, but I think the character roll RNG is also affected by how many users are trying to roll at the same time. The more user are rolling, the higher the chance the RNG becomes not so RNG.
There are patterns with pulls. Your luck separated to 4 banners. Standart character banner, standard weapon banner, limited character and limited weapon also. If you ain't lucky with standart pulls, your luck will go on limited banners. Example with my situation. I pulled my standart weapon at 71 and 74 pulls. Ain't that lucky. My limited character banner ain't that lucky too. I lost 50/50 at 65 pulls and pulled Jinhsi at 61. But my weapon banner. I've got R4 weapon with 70 pulls. Each around 15-20. And that pattern will continue.
if anyone would open their eyes they would see that crit rate and crit dmg is pretty much in every minute the highest so it seems like kuro just put crit rate and crit dmg a lil higher in comparision with other stats so it proves absolutly nothing relevant imo
True, crit stats seem to have a higher chance of happening. Around 12-15% from his X7 data. Can't prove nothing with the rest of the data being too small compared to the X7s
Unfortunate that Mike chose to destroy his reputation with his recent behavior. I know some people will keep watching him, but the way he dealt with the Hex+Tec drama was dissappointing. Best of luck to the dude.
From your first vid about WuWa echomancing, I noticed that you're clicking every 5 sec mark and I applied it to mine and it kinda works. What set this method apart from mine is that I don't have a timer to look at but rather I count 5 sec after pressing the 4x tune button. I tune by doing 4x at a time per echo leaving 1 tune whenever I get enough exp to lvl it upto 25. Maybe it's just me but I have better luck on Thu or Fri playing on SEA server, but I don't have data to back up my claims.
@@BigBoiPnoy At the time I'm pretty casual and just go try my luck, but now seeing this I will try to look at your SEA data sheet cuz it seems pretty convincing.👍 I will keep tuning on Thu and Fri to see if it really is good day for me cuz all I know is Mondays are the worst for me to tune. WuWa echo manipulation is easier to understand compared to HSR.
i did some testing myself and this seems to work with echo drops as well for example i went to farm jue and using ur method on the dot i mention to manipulate some crazy luck. 7 crit rate and dmgs in a row.
I was so ready to call shenanigan's on this. And then I got a double crit, resonance skill/liberation bonus, atk% piece. So yeah I'd say this manipulation is kinda goated wtf lol
So if the 9 minute mark has better crit chances than the 7 minute mark then why did you test it at 7 minutes, unless the 9 minute mark wasn't tested enough or you're not in America
Ya we are trying to get more data. But at 800+ and seeing that nothing really changed for x7 minutes it’s pretty interesting to see. Plus resources suck on WuWa. We get data when we can.
Sad that some people are gonna fall for this so hard and needlessly waste so many materials. I haven't been leveling echoes for a few weeks now so I had the mats to spare. Tried it and on over 15 echoes I only rolled a single minimum crit rate roll once while getting the usual variety of dmg%, flat stats, and stat%. It is literally random chance, this system doesn't work, and people are getting placebo'd because they just so happened to get lucky when trying this out. I dont know why you would lie about something like this so blatantly, but its weird that you just so happened to have another video doing this same thing a month ago and it working for you just as well as this video... almost like you might be cheating to inflate your substat rolls while telling everyone else this is how you did it so they don't get suspicious. Just an observation considering how badly a supposed 26% chance at 7 minute marks was for me and multiple other people on the specified servers. It is rng; only thing you are manipulating is your viewers.
um. i said you dont really have to do it on the video. Plus you don't lose anything if you try it this way as to compared to rolling blindly and praying. Also consider What server I am on as well as the times im clicking at. I'm also going for milliseconds.
@@BigBoiPnoyThis is the literal same thing as rolling blindly and praying with a placebo of time mixed in. Even from an algorithmic programming perspective, having this time bullshit sounds way more complex than it being actually random. I watched the video multiple times, I did everything correctly to at least give you the benefit of the doubt, but after 25-30 echoes at this point and only getting a single minimum crit rate roll, this entire "oh its 25%, isn't that interesting guys?" Falls flat on its ass unless my luck is so terrible that it would would put a dent in this data sample due to how little data you actually have.
If you saw how "viral" this is going in the English community and even in the Hispanic community some give you credits others don't, I swear this didn't happen in the other gacha games. Good luck, maybe your community will grow to a bigger 🤗🤗🤗
@@raymawn1453 idk just make a program that can click at the 15 second intervals then tweak the settings through trial and error until you get it to the exact milisecond
I just did an upgrade session last night prepping for Changli using this method. Was skeptical at first but holy shit, idk if it either works or just pure luck but I got 3 double crit rolls. Granted, it doesn't happen 100% of the time. Some rolled no crits and a few rolled only 1 crit stat. My tuners went from 370 to 140 so that should give an idea on how many tries I did (excluding the tuner refunds when feeding levelled echoes). Massive thanks for this info man!
Idk dude. The %ages look like roughly the same, and the variance is fully explained by the sample size imo Like if they all had 1k tries maybe, but as such, with some rows having like 50 tries, its completely normal to see a slight variance I hopped into the video thinking the RNG was seeded like in old NDS/GBA games, but this doesnt look like anything revolutionary
Players were leaning more towards X7 minute tests when they were seeing consistency in crits. Can’t blame them. We don’t have unlimited resources. So it is what it is.
Yes, checking the charts the sample size is way too small. Mostly everyone just focusing on the 7 minute mark. I guess it does not hurt to do this but it does cost some time.
omg i tried it about 5 times, and the last one is actually worked! Server Asia btw, Echo cost 4 CRT DMG lvl 20 1st roll = Crt rate 6.9% 2nd = Energy Regen 9.2% 3rd = Atk 10.9% 4th = Crt Damage 13.8% The time that i press = 02:10:50:50 pm. Welp maybe this was just my luck for another year
@@adib3011 maybe. But once again. If you actually read the sheet. It says it’s a theory, not guaranteed, and %s just were shown on how often you can get certain substats at certain time frames. The “manipulation” is a meme name we gave it on purpose. TLDR you and many gacha gamers don’t read.
@@BigBoiPnoy Bold of u to assume I didn't read it. There r multiple videos on this and there have been reddit posts. Mathematics ensures that this can't be planned out. Just because there's a pattern within this data set doesn't mean that there will be the same pattern in the next one.
Yea It's a lot of grinding sometimes but I typically get echoes to lvl 10 and if the first roll is not what I want I usually just use the echo to lvl up the next echo or if the first roll is good and the 2cd roll isn't I just scrap it. It saves a lot of echo xp but it burns through echoes if you are unlucky. My Mortefi sub dps is like 82/240 with near perfect 5/5 echo rolls (i think 2 are 5/5, the other 3 are 4/5 but i settled) but took 440 purple echo xp and a lot of echoes that I've been farming for the past 2-3 weeks.
if you want to be super efficient with this echomancing.. only do the first 3 roll.. if u dont get both cr and cd in 3roll leave it and go to next echo… but if u want to gamble to 5th roll like he did @6:50 up to you..
Yep going full send for 5 tunes is up to you guys. I only did it cause the first 3 were decent rolls. As for the quality of the roll being high or low roll. We don’t have much knowledge on that.
If you read the spreadsheet it’s says it’s not guaranteed. It’s not a matter of does it work or not. You need to understand that all we did was calculate hidden rates. There’s still a luck factor. Which is better than going in blindly rolling.
Well. Idk if it's true or not but out of 5 pieces I got 3 double crit, 1 single crit and 1 no crit I mean. Didnt get many double crit pieces prior to that so?
We need more data, it's early to make concussions. The total amount of tests conducted at 7 min is 1127, while tests conducted at other mins are nowhere close. Comparing 1127 results to 57, 93 or even 219 is hardly fair or representative. When the amount of tests conducted at minutes 0-9 reach 1000 or so, it may even turn out that there's barely any difference between them.
Give it time. You should know we don’t have unlimited resources. Just let the discord team work on it…. Same time it’s a normal human thing, especially with barely any resources, players would rather burn materials on consistent outcomes over lower outcomes.
@@BigBoiPnoy I know it's a free fan made project, I don't expect it to be perfect right at the start. This comment was just a friendly reminder for everyone: who knows, maybe further tests will show that other minutes are actually better, or there are no considerable differences at all. I just want people to realize that for now, these results are preliminary, they are not representative and large enough to be considered true, they need to be taken with a grain of salt
I can say this this actually works my jinshi been done I been farming the main echo for jiyan so long and with this method I finally got my perfect piece after discovering this video all my other pieces been done and perfect but that main echo
So let's be fair, the probability of hitting a CR sub in your firsf 3 isn't the problem. The problem is hitting a CR+CD and then subsequently hitting at least 2 more good subs. In your case, you bricked multiple pieces, and due to the fact you lose exponentially more tuners per roll, it's actually really unfortunate. I'll give it a try, but I'll be honest...at the end of the day you need to go stat by stat, and pit a large group of the same stat against each other, and weed out the poor performers as you go. The reason I managed the stats on my Jinhsi is partially luck, but partially because I prefarmed and I was able to drop the bad ones and push the promising examples. Now, of course I have to consider what perfentage of her potential am I at, and whether it's better to swap to other characters. If you were demonstrating single rolls, then I might put a little more stock in this, but I get that it's not efficent. So tomorrow, I'll see if this actually has an impact on how many times I strike out, because it would be nice to avoid bricking 5-7 echoes in a row.
Srsly, the amount of data is too small to say anything. But yeah, quick math for this: the probability of getting cr/cd for each roll is 2/13 (~ 15%), aka 11/13 (~ 85%) you get none of them. The probability you get no cr/cd in 3 rolls is (11/13)^3 (~ 60), it means you have ~ 40% get either cr or cd after 3 rolls. But also with the number, he got 4 out of 5 cr/cd substat with this probability of 40% is ~7.68%, and if you count the fact that he got 4 cr/cd in a row, that number now ~1.5%. That's pretty much suspicious here.
Ok so I've burned through all my echo xp and I've decided that this does indeed work. Six out of eight +15 echos rolled a crit line when attempting to roll at 15 second intervals. Pretty crazy. Great for 3 cost echos where I consider even one crit line a win. Thanks for sharing this information.
You got it bro
@@BigBoiPnoy Ayy. Do you know whether or not it seems like it matters if you roll all 5 substats at once vs going +15 and then up to +25?
Don’t matter. I only go to +15 to save materials.
@@BigBoiPnoy cool thanks.
Your line of thinking is appropriate for a brand new player, but if you're pushing higher difficulty content or if you are trying to be efficenct with your rescources then you should not be rolling 15 echoes...you roll one line at a time, and you weed out the ones with the worst stats. Line up 5-10 echoes, roll each one, use a stat hierarchy to decide which get pushed to line two, and then line 3. If you brick the best ones, you move on yo the second best stat, and then so on and so forth. But if you hit something like flat Def or Def%, etc early...bail out. Reason being is you lose exponentially more tuners with each line. You lose 7 for line one, 14 for line 2, 21 for line 3. So if you are pushing to 3 every time and getting copium pieces then you're consistently wasting 2 attempts that could be put into other echoes and you don't even get 1 attempt back when you throw that piece into another.
If you want to try this method he shows but with 1 line per attempt, then go ahead. But be warned that if you do what he is doing, you are going to be hurting for tuners sooner than someone else who is more careful.
Good luck.
Been struggling trying to get crit rate and crit damage so I've been waiting for this! Good work as always, thanks for the info 👍
Always here to help
What you really want is crit rate + crit damage + atk %.
The rest could be either the bonuses or energy regen.
Lore informed "RNG" is wild lol. But honestly clearly this is related tho however Kuro chose to generates seeds. Obvs more data needed to be super conclusive but the trend here is already very strong
Yep and we learned this early in the game through upgrading blue and purple echos.
@@BigBoiPnoy the blue and purple echoes seems to have more "luck" in getting crit stats based on my testing. But the substats dont have equal percentages
Seeing you with that many tuners made me more jelly than seeing the substats lmao I have 7 tuners. 7 lol
i didnt upgrade at all during my vacation. i saved it for this video.
relatable
You know you can craft the lower tier into higher tier?
@@MacCheekz1990 yes this happened in 1.1 when converting.... 1.0 didnt have that option
@@BigBoiPnoy I know, but he was talking about his tuner amount right now.
I am speechless.... I saw your discord. It's full of unintelligible math where real and obvious issues are raised and met with hasty generalizations based on unreasonable assumpsions. The perceived knowledge in there is absolutely fucked, its impressive to see them all convincing themselves through. Almost 3k likes, that is a lot of smooth brain. Its a shame.
i affirm this, brother
bet you didn't know there's a 42% chance of getting at least one crit from the first 3 stats. that's pretty high already. Just RNG.
That's a lot of losing lol
hell naw i did that 7 times with no crit stat. i follow this shit and i got 3 in a row, somethings cooking
I've bricked so many at this point...anything helps.
@@Berserk-Gaminginference
@@Berserk-Gaming Confirmation bias in a nutshell. If we were talking 70-100% chance to roll the desired stat we'd have some kind of conversation, but his own data sheet linked is hovering around values easily explained by variance and group bias inconsistencies that come with extremely small data sets. People are more than free to do whatever summoning/tuning rituals they feel works for them, but there really isn't anything substantial here to denote a 'proper' way to tune echos. Do it if you want to, but it most likely doesn't actually matter.
I can approve this, i tried this and for the first time i got a perfect sub stats for my jinshi: Crt dmg, Crit Rate, Reasonance dmg, and Energy regen. Thank you for this guide 🙏🙏🙏
atk is better than dmg% for this game, but yeah still a good echo!
The members of the discord are also very helpful in giving the datas. Thank you for the discord server
Yeah the Genius Society Discord.
Finally a geek who uncovered the mystery of echo tuning!
This is the type of info people gatekeep, so you a real one for sharing 🙏
Yes because if it's leaked the officials will do something if they are stingy.
I swear there’s tinfoil hat theories in every game that has RNG involved. Everyone is a mathematician when it comes to obsessively chasing superstitions 💀 this proves nothing, unless Kuro provides us real data about it or if super computers run millions of simulations (which equates to how many tunes there are daily over the world), this is just another gaming rng myth
true. but if it's working why not try it. you would go in blindly either way while tuning
If you have large enough sample size then you can very precisely predict the chances. It is called Law of Large Numbers.
@@Mrigendra-B correct. Hard to do with what resources we have in this game.
somehow I tried this and ended up with a lot of crit and crit dmg echoes, the chances doesnt lie
@@GbrlPlayer imagine all the people that didn't get good rolls though. The ones that are just going to brush this video off and not comment because it didn't actually change anything for them but they don't care enough to say it doesn't work.
First piece I tried this strategy on got me 7.5% crit rate, 7.9% atk, 19.8% crit dmg, 8.6% resonance skill dmg bonus, and 8.4% energy regen🙏
Excellent timed click bro.
You do understand that you might have gotten lucky? You can't base anything off one piece. Keep trying, record your data, and after gesring a few characters you can post your findings.
@@Osprey1994if it's like 30% its still good enough🤩
@@Osprey1994 correct. our own discord findings is just hard to test also with the resources
thats perfect roll for jinshi😂
Appreciate you and the genius society for doing this
It’s what we do.
Looking good. It would also be nice to fill up the other time slots as well. To know which stats are more likely at other times.
blame the guys on discord just aiming for crit subs for that one xD
love these vids man, glad to see you’re still on these types of things
Yep
I've submitted some of my results on discord and I can 100% say that 80% of my double crit echoes are from X6:X5. Around 15% by X7:X5 and 5% just by pure chance.
Even my friends who I introduced to the server are going nuts saying "oh damn this does work wtf" 💀
This shit saved me a fuck ton of resources. Thanks fam.
SEA server btw.
Edit: it seems like everyone is getting bad rolls on X6:X5 now and I must agree. I've been rolling for a few days now and I barely get anything I changed back to X7:X5 and I'm getting crits again.
Lesson: JUST EXPERIMENT
Hmm X6 thanks man. We need more data for SEA
@@BigBoiPnoy I stopped giving data after I got a lot because I don't really use discord much but I'll try giving data again. Because of this my Jinhsi's ratio is at 73/282 with 43311 lmao. I'll give data again when I start tuning for my Encore and Changli.
Thanks man. But ya resources is limited. Any kind of data is helpful. No need to force giving the data though
What is X this and X That
@@AqilaRarasati-yq9lx X just stand for the number beside the minutes and seconds.
X6:X5 can mean anything like, 06;45 wherin 06 is the minutes and 45 is the seconds.
All i gotta say is wtffffff... i literally burned all my shits farming for substats .... YOU ARE A GOD ❤
No no just a bored gamer dad.
My god its amazing that this works absolutely every time. Been doing this since i saw this video and it always works. Thank you so much
Been waiting for this 💯
I usually don’t comment but this video was so useful that I wanted to share my experience, so I’ve been playing since launch and only got 3 double crits echoes, but after using this trick, I got 4 double crit echoes TODAY, and I’m super happy, I immediately shared it with one of my friends and he also got 3 double crits in the span of 1 hour. I’m so so lucky coming across this video on you guys’ research, I hope this video reach other people cause THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.
thanks for trying it man unlike other many toxic players that dont and just insta-hate on us. thank you again - genius society
I know I'm a couple of weeks late to the party, but just wanted to say thanks for this information. Decided to try it once, and the 1st time I got Crit Rate and Crit Damage sub stat on a roll. Keep up the great work!
Thanks man
This is huge if this works. But I still hope we will be able to reroll substats. These 3 cost echoes are pain to farm
Probably not since you can infinite farm echos
@@wut2doxiong978 Unless its a 4 star echo, not really. Theres only a few you can farm daily then you have to wait for a reset. Its really not much, especially if you farm the 3 star Echos
@Justme-jp8ih true but doesn't it respawn everyday? And did it work for you?
@@wut2doxiong978 yea thats why I said daily reset. And no I havent tried it out yet. I just log in for the daily missions and log off because im playing another game rn
If people need the Exact Time Clock on the same monitor where is WuWa, just switch WuWa to windowed and put the clock aside. Did on a 29" and room is fine, probably for smaller monitors need a resolution change and /or a Ctrl +/- to resize Exact Time window.
I'm a simple data addict. I see you post I view I like.
Thanks
A player from SEA server here, I just tuned my lvl 15 echo at 3:42 pm, and I got energy regen, Crit.DMG and Reso Lib DMG, never got such good rolls throughout my time in wuwa, this is insane
Oh yeah there is a leak, you can use an item to change the substat
Yep I was told this by some of the members on discord.
How?
Incredible if true. Being able to select for the best possible stats would be solid for characters with specific scaling (Resonance Damage for Changli, Defense for Taoqi, etc) alongside this time based method to manipulate the RNG, potentially perfect or above median substat rolls are possible.
I think you wont get to chose a substat exactly, probably an item that can reverse your roll so you can reroll a substat@@AdHocWholius
the time spent to actually gather these data is crazy. salute to this guy. worth subscribing
thanks man
Even with this omega giga strat my luck is fuckingridiculous, not a single crit on 12 echoes
Great video bud I couldn't explain it better myself. ❤
thanks
Bro I was getting super frustrated with the game, cause I've been rolling for weeks always with terrible stats, people couldn't believe how unlucky I was being!
You're a life saver!
Naw I’m just a bored gamer dad.
@@BigBoiPnoy just one question, why are you tunning 3 at a time instead of one? i get that its a lot more time consuming but wouldnt you get better results going 1 by 1?
I honestly just wanted the video as short as I can make it. But yes tuning 1 at a time is probably better. Especially if you are trying to snipe.
@@BigBoiPnoy ah I see fair enough! Thanks for the quick answer,
Even though your channel covers games I dont care about I'll drop a sub in case more wuwa content is droppped in the future!
Keep it up
Thanks
tried tuning 10 echos with this got crit stats on all 10 ,15secs and 10secs worked the best for me , ty for sharing this
I'm currently farming echos and upgrading them so I'll definitely try this and see how well it works.
Good luck bro
@@BigBoiPnoy Are we good with numbers on the US side? I'd like to help if it's needed.
Honestly overall we need more data.
@@BigBoiPnoy Rolled on 5 different echoes and got 2 echoes with CritDMG sub stats (which happened consecutively). Gonna keep testing but at least I can farm and save tuning them until 7 min. past the hour and hopefully up my chances. Thanks again!
omg the person i was searching for, I was saving tuners since launch (got about 3000 golden tuners) to finally use it when the best method of using will be published. I can finally say it is the best way I found yet.
Thanks man.
Now here's something I think even more people would like to see: Does this rng manipulation work with rolls for characters
They asked this on HSR also. We don’t got the money to test that. Same time even if we did know how to do that. We would gatekeep it cause we 100% would not what that to be patched.
what do you mean by rolls for characters?
@@BigBoiPnoy Gatekeeping probably won't help even. Company might be using some analytics software to detect abnormal patterns of outcomes across the game network.
@@strakyman He means the gacha for 5 star characters. I tend to believe this possibility too, but I think the character roll RNG is also affected by how many users are trying to roll at the same time. The more user are rolling, the higher the chance the RNG becomes not so RNG.
There are patterns with pulls. Your luck separated to 4 banners. Standart character banner, standard weapon banner, limited character and limited weapon also. If you ain't lucky with standart pulls, your luck will go on limited banners. Example with my situation. I pulled my standart weapon at 71 and 74 pulls. Ain't that lucky. My limited character banner ain't that lucky too. I lost 50/50 at 65 pulls and pulled Jinhsi at 61. But my weapon banner. I've got R4 weapon with 70 pulls. Each around 15-20. And that pattern will continue.
Thank you so much for this!! It's a life changer and it works like magic!
Perfect timing. I’m now building Havoc MC. I’m gonna try this.❤
Result?
im really impressed that this acutally works , great video man
Thanks
if anyone would open their eyes they would see that crit rate and crit dmg is pretty much in every minute the highest so it seems like kuro just put crit rate and crit dmg a lil higher in comparision with other stats so it proves absolutly nothing relevant imo
Yeh exactly. Need base line testing without using the method for comparison to prove anything and need much larger sample size.
True, crit stats seem to have a higher chance of happening. Around 12-15% from his X7 data. Can't prove nothing with the rest of the data being too small compared to the X7s
This changes everything, as one might say 😂
Indeed
Unfortunate that Mike chose to destroy his reputation with his recent behavior. I know some people will keep watching him, but the way he dealt with the Hex+Tec drama was dissappointing. Best of luck to the dude.
@@Osprey1994 oh boy that drama hit my area? lol... i watched both of them during genshin. It is what it is. let them go their own paths.
@@Osprey1994 you watch content creators for drama or for actual games?
From your first vid about WuWa echomancing, I noticed that you're clicking every 5 sec mark and I applied it to mine and it kinda works. What set this method apart from mine is that I don't have a timer to look at but rather I count 5 sec after pressing the 4x tune button.
I tune by doing 4x at a time per echo leaving 1 tune whenever I get enough exp to lvl it upto 25.
Maybe it's just me but I have better luck on Thu or Fri playing on SEA server, but I don't have data to back up my claims.
I’d say just record your findings then see if there’s consistency on your days each week.
@@BigBoiPnoy At the time I'm pretty casual and just go try my luck, but now seeing this I will try to look at your SEA data sheet cuz it seems pretty convincing.👍
I will keep tuning on Thu and Fri to see if it really is good day for me cuz all I know is Mondays are the worst for me to tune.
WuWa echo manipulation is easier to understand compared to HSR.
Yep allootttt easier than HSR. Makes building characters on WuWa a lot easier.
reroll is pretty fair...
i mean why forcing some players to farm more when some r very lucky
it definitely works, just got Jinhsi and rolled a double crit Mourning Aix at X6:X5 in SEA server. Insanity.
what clock region d u use bro?
i did some testing myself and this seems to work with echo drops as well
for example i went to farm jue and using ur method on the dot i mention to manipulate some crazy luck. 7 crit rate and dmgs in a row.
ya thats what others tested also. it works as long as you time your absorb
@@BigBoiPnoy yall wanna try and see if u can figure out the table out for elemental elite classes next?
Gonna have to see what discord members decide
I was so ready to call shenanigan's on this. And then I got a double crit, resonance skill/liberation bonus, atk% piece.
So yeah I'd say this manipulation is kinda goated wtf lol
So if the 9 minute mark has better crit chances than the 7 minute mark then why did you test it at 7 minutes, unless the 9 minute mark wasn't tested enough or you're not in America
9 min mark doesn’t have enough tests
OMG!!! Thank you!!!! You earned a subscriber brother.
Thanks
Wish i saw this before wasting so much stat
Really would like to be able to get a much much larger data set, but unless we can simulate that massive amount of rolling, we’ll never know for sure
It’ll happen over time… materials don’t grow on trees sadly.
Isnt your sample size a bit low to prove that this actually works?
Ya we are trying to get more data. But at 800+ and seeing that nothing really changed for x7 minutes it’s pretty interesting to see. Plus resources suck on WuWa. We get data when we can.
Yeah that’s what I thought honestly. Why would the rng be time based. Seems odd to me
@@pappapag3042Data Seeds? Could be time based. Who knows?
@@pappapag3042Well, one also can argue why would it not? The fact is computer can't do true random.
I thought it was all bs then I tried it. Actually works I'm amazed
Yooo that's crazy! What a find
6:54 had me like :o
people about to come in and say "but you didnt get double crit". Smart people will be like "wait 1 crit each echo"
Honestly, 4/5 echoes GUARANTEED to get a crit roll? Count me the fuck in o.o
This works actually 7/10 been using this, but instead wait for every 7, I used to do it every 15sec any time.
Sad that some people are gonna fall for this so hard and needlessly waste so many materials. I haven't been leveling echoes for a few weeks now so I had the mats to spare. Tried it and on over 15 echoes I only rolled a single minimum crit rate roll once while getting the usual variety of dmg%, flat stats, and stat%. It is literally random chance, this system doesn't work, and people are getting placebo'd because they just so happened to get lucky when trying this out. I dont know why you would lie about something like this so blatantly, but its weird that you just so happened to have another video doing this same thing a month ago and it working for you just as well as this video... almost like you might be cheating to inflate your substat rolls while telling everyone else this is how you did it so they don't get suspicious. Just an observation considering how badly a supposed 26% chance at 7 minute marks was for me and multiple other people on the specified servers. It is rng; only thing you are manipulating is your viewers.
um. i said you dont really have to do it on the video. Plus you don't lose anything if you try it this way as to compared to rolling blindly and praying. Also consider What server I am on as well as the times im clicking at. I'm also going for milliseconds.
@@BigBoiPnoyThis is the literal same thing as rolling blindly and praying with a placebo of time mixed in. Even from an algorithmic programming perspective, having this time bullshit sounds way more complex than it being actually random. I watched the video multiple times, I did everything correctly to at least give you the benefit of the doubt, but after 25-30 echoes at this point and only getting a single minimum crit rate roll, this entire "oh its 25%, isn't that interesting guys?" Falls flat on its ass unless my luck is so terrible that it would would put a dent in this data sample due to how little data you actually have.
True RNG doesn't exist in programing, there will always be a system in place. If it's not this one, we'll just have to keep looking.
@@AmythstGuardianthe game files literally has the code (time) in it. RNG isnt really based on Random
If you saw how "viral" this is going in the English community and even in the Hispanic community some give you credits others don't, I swear this didn't happen in the other gacha games.
Good luck, maybe your community will grow to a bigger 🤗🤗🤗
Only time will tell
If this does work isn’t it optimal to create a macro that would click at the exact millisecond?
how'd u do tht?
absolutely
show the deeds if you have figured the macro
@@raymawn1453 idk just make a program that can click at the 15 second intervals then tweak the settings through trial and error until you get it to the exact milisecond
I just did an upgrade session last night prepping for Changli using this method. Was skeptical at first but holy shit, idk if it either works or just pure luck but I got 3 double crit rolls. Granted, it doesn't happen 100% of the time. Some rolled no crits and a few rolled only 1 crit stat. My tuners went from 370 to 140 so that should give an idea on how many tries I did (excluding the tuner refunds when feeding levelled echoes). Massive thanks for this info man!
Thanks for trying it
Waiting for SEA
This one is a whole lot easier to understand. Tysm
Ya I waited a month on purpose
@@BigBoiPnoy 🐐
Is the SEA server data not out yet am waiting for it from so long 😢
More data needed like I said.
Thanks for the guide, Im planning on building characters little by little
No fckin way, that's crazy
I know right? Thank the genius society discord for this one. They were I puting data into discord while I was on vacation
@@BigBoiPnoy Bro why are you telling me this now, I have 10 blue echo exp and nothing else, used them all up for Jinshi and I have 0 Waveplate too smh
Sorry I did say on my last video before I went on vacation that I wanted the discord to eat well first before releasing an actual tutorial video
its actually real... WHY DIDNT I FIND THIS VIDEO SOONERRRRRRRRRR
any chance that the substats will change for the 7 minute mark for 1.2?
no idea. but data came from both 1.0 and 1.1 so far sooo who knows
@@BigBoiPnoy okk, ty for the reply!
Tysm bro, i test it alrd and works got cr cdm in echo 1 and echo 3, finally my Jinhsi is fully build
Welcome man
Idk dude. The %ages look like roughly the same, and the variance is fully explained by the sample size imo
Like if they all had 1k tries maybe, but as such, with some rows having like 50 tries, its completely normal to see a slight variance
I hopped into the video thinking the RNG was seeded like in old NDS/GBA games, but this doesnt look like anything revolutionary
Players were leaning more towards X7 minute tests when they were seeing consistency in crits. Can’t blame them. We don’t have unlimited resources. So it is what it is.
Yes, checking the charts the sample size is way too small. Mostly everyone just focusing on the 7 minute mark. I guess it does not hurt to do this but it does cost some time.
Yep it’s gonna take awhile to see more tests… no resources
omg i tried it about 5 times, and the last one is actually worked! Server Asia btw,
Echo cost 4 CRT DMG lvl 20
1st roll = Crt rate 6.9%
2nd = Energy Regen 9.2%
3rd = Atk 10.9%
4th = Crt Damage 13.8%
The time that i press = 02:10:50:50 pm.
Welp maybe this was just my luck for another year
Misinfo and bs. This is mere coincidence.
@@adib3011 maybe. But once again. If you actually read the sheet. It says it’s a theory, not guaranteed, and %s just were shown on how often you can get certain substats at certain time frames.
The “manipulation” is a meme name we gave it on purpose. TLDR you and many gacha gamers don’t read.
@@BigBoiPnoy Bold of u to assume I didn't read it. There r multiple videos on this and there have been reddit posts. Mathematics ensures that this can't be planned out. Just because there's a pattern within this data set doesn't mean that there will be the same pattern in the next one.
Just tried it myself on a level 25 echo at 7 min 5 sec.
Crit rate 7.5%
Resonance Lib 10.1%
Heavy Attack 8.6%
Crit Damage 17.4%
Attack 10.1%
I'm first
you are indeed 1st
Well, first echo was a fail, but that's not too surprising given the odds. Will keep trying.
what a bunch of garbage lmao
I need this. I wasted my time tuning over 50 echoes just to get an average sub stats
Yea It's a lot of grinding sometimes but I typically get echoes to lvl 10 and if the first roll is not what I want I usually just use the echo to lvl up the next echo or if the first roll is good and the 2cd roll isn't I just scrap it. It saves a lot of echo xp but it burns through echoes if you are unlucky. My Mortefi sub dps is like 82/240 with near perfect 5/5 echo rolls (i think 2 are 5/5, the other 3 are 4/5 but i settled) but took 440 purple echo xp and a lot of echoes that I've been farming for the past 2-3 weeks.
My Yinlin was in the showcase towards the end wooo . Cheers Bud :D
Yep your character is sexy bro.
This is amazing thanks for showing that ❤❤❤
if you want to be super efficient with this echomancing.. only do the first 3 roll.. if u dont get both cr and cd in 3roll leave it and go to next echo… but if u want to gamble to 5th roll like he did @6:50 up to you..
now im curious if you can also manipulate the substats ranges🧐😎
Yep going full send for 5 tunes is up to you guys. I only did it cause the first 3 were decent rolls.
As for the quality of the roll being high or low roll. We don’t have much knowledge on that.
longest explanation in the world in the most duche way possible
The heck, it really worked hahaha resonance skill dmg bonus, crit damage, crit rate, attck, heavy attk.
Nice
@@BigBoiPnoy THANKS FOR THE GUIDE. Took me 3 days to build Jinhsi stats 2100 attack, 71/270
@@SpectixKamisato beautiful jinhsi
Woahhh..... How the hell did you notice this!?
Good job!
It wasn’t me. It was the discord I’m in. I’m basically just the messenger 🤷♂️
Ofc its this guy again
Never left
I live in Europe and it DIDN‘T work!! ☹️☹️ waited for 7min and +15sec mark but only ONE out of FIVE echos had crit. stat!!!!!
If you read the spreadsheet it’s says it’s not guaranteed. It’s not a matter of does it work or not. You need to understand that all we did was calculate hidden rates. There’s still a luck factor. Which is better than going in blindly rolling.
pseudo-rng manipulation is crazy~
tysm tho!!
The 7th minute works for me so far hehehe I'll try the 2nd minute for Verina 😆 thanks!
The current thought is that supporty subs might lean towards not going for 5 second rule
Kinda explains why I got the basic atk dmg 2nd substat on two Dreamless in the row today😂
I’d imagine you’d be happy about that on havoc rover though? :D
SUBSCRIBING. IT'S WORKING. I just wish I'd known this before I went and spent all my sealed tubes! 😭😭😭 The tube drought is real, lol.
Yaaa materials suck in this game….
Well.
Idk if it's true or not but out of 5 pieces I got 3 double crit, 1 single crit and 1 no crit
I mean. Didnt get many double crit pieces prior to that so?
cool huh?
i got 4 echoes with 2 crit line out of my 7 echoes, this is really good
thank you for trying it man
We need more data, it's early to make concussions. The total amount of tests conducted at 7 min is 1127, while tests conducted at other mins are nowhere close. Comparing 1127 results to 57, 93 or even 219 is hardly fair or representative. When the amount of tests conducted at minutes 0-9 reach 1000 or so, it may even turn out that there's barely any difference between them.
Give it time. You should know we don’t have unlimited resources. Just let the discord team work on it…. Same time it’s a normal human thing, especially with barely any resources, players would rather burn materials on consistent outcomes over lower outcomes.
@@BigBoiPnoy I know it's a free fan made project, I don't expect it to be perfect right at the start. This comment was just a friendly reminder for everyone: who knows, maybe further tests will show that other minutes are actually better, or there are no considerable differences at all. I just want people to realize that for now, these results are preliminary, they are not representative and large enough to be considered true, they need to be taken with a grain of salt
@@artliom1311 yep correct. Just let it build.
gonna try this method, i'm so sick of farming for jiyan lol i'm willing to give this a go 🙏 thanks for the video!
I can say this this actually works my jinshi been done I been farming the main echo for jiyan so long and with this method I finally got my perfect piece after discovering this video all my other pieces been done and perfect but that main echo
@@xmambathegodx8084 oh wow thanks for telling me this! i hope it works for me too 🤞😭
So let's be fair, the probability of hitting a CR sub in your firsf 3 isn't the problem. The problem is hitting a CR+CD and then subsequently hitting at least 2 more good subs. In your case, you bricked multiple pieces, and due to the fact you lose exponentially more tuners per roll, it's actually really unfortunate.
I'll give it a try, but I'll be honest...at the end of the day you need to go stat by stat, and pit a large group of the same stat against each other, and weed out the poor performers as you go. The reason I managed the stats on my Jinhsi is partially luck, but partially because I prefarmed and I was able to drop the bad ones and push the promising examples. Now, of course I have to consider what perfentage of her potential am I at, and whether it's better to swap to other characters.
If you were demonstrating single rolls, then I might put a little more stock in this, but I get that it's not efficent. So tomorrow, I'll see if this actually has an impact on how many times I strike out, because it would be nice to avoid bricking 5-7 echoes in a row.
I was doing 3 to save time. You can do singles. I just wanted the video to be faster.
Imagine getting both 10.5% crit rate and 21% crit damage with both flat attack and attack% on the same echo. Sounds rarer than getting a 5 star 😅
Owh wow so I have been getting them randomly even though there's a way to get them systematically... Well now I know how to get them, thanks
Instant subscribe😂 thanks for the info!
Thanks
man if only the echo tacet event came first
Echoes with same mainstats in inventory placed differently. Maybe it has something to do with substats, lol.
As a bad luck guy i will test it... At least a minor improve will be valid
No tequila sunrise?
Unlucky.
Glad ur back though ❤
Needed a coffee cause my jet lag is strong
Srsly, the amount of data is too small to say anything. But yeah, quick math for this: the probability of getting cr/cd for each roll is 2/13 (~ 15%), aka 11/13 (~ 85%) you get none of them. The probability you get no cr/cd in 3 rolls is (11/13)^3 (~ 60), it means you have ~ 40% get either cr or cd after 3 rolls.
But also with the number, he got 4 out of 5 cr/cd substat with this probability of 40% is ~7.68%, and if you count the fact that he got 4 cr/cd in a row, that number now ~1.5%. That's pretty much suspicious here.
😉
It means my luck is good
Always got crit and cdm😂
Wait wtf this actually works! Thats insane 😂