Rom & the Red Moon [Bloodborne Lore]
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In "Rom and the Red Moon", Sophie and Sin discuss - are you ready? - Rom and the Red Moon. What happened at Byrgenwerth? Why is Rom also in Pthumeru? Was the Old Yharnam Red Moon the same as the Workshop Red Moon? How do you stop a moon, anyway?
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I like this thumbnail, but I will always love the one in which Sin is dressed as rom.
How to say you're a cultist without saying you're a cultist
I will forever keep that thumbnail archived in my heart.
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Having performed wolf skip, (it let me explore areas out of sequence and rewind time using the Oedon chapel doorway after the blood moon) I can confirm Sophie's supposition concerning the arrival of amygdalae, I found none dangling from the buildings when exploring the Yahar-Gul rooftops in the early evening.
"I forgot where I was going with this, but I'm pretty sure Sophie was talking"
THATS IT, THATS THE SHOW
We know how Willum gets in and out of the lake, his rocking chair does fly after all.
I audibly went woah when u talked abt how rom is actually on an altar at the altar of despair, and that it’s the altar that brings Annalise back to life, not the rom corpse. Who would’ve thought that after all these years I would still able to learn something new about one of my favorite games from one of my favorite podcasts, thanks for everything guys :)
"What is Rom?" A what is love cover.
omg that ending of you two singing what is love to dancing rom put such a huge smile on my face
It's kinda criminal that you have such a well made podcast video with really awesome theorycrafting and don't have more views, loved your chemistry!
aw ty so much for ur support!
This video was just recommended through youtube and this is genuinely such a good listen/watch, I'm glad I've found the channel and am excited to get into more episodes!
Welcome aboard!
Thank you guys for still making content about BB after all this time. To me there are 5 last mayor mysteries left in bloodborne:
- whats up with Brador
- whats up with the creepy orphanage
- why is the lecture hall in the nightmare
- moon presence motivations
- amygdalas role
the amygdala is a Nightmare, the outcome when a human and Great One make contact. but not kin.
The school of Byrgenwerth seems to value physical transformations, particularly of plant-like bugs.
There's the Spiders, Rom, Garden of Eyes (with spider talisman), Brainsucker, & Florescent Flower.
That's a lot of bugs, clearly showing the Byrgenwerth was transforming folks into bug forms in hopes of gaining enlightenment.
The Healing Church seems to create beasts, the Choir creates Celestial Emissaries, & Mensis creates Winter Lanterns.
Even still, scholars are often slugs & spiders. Perhaps the plant-like Amygdala are transformed scholars too? Yharnam City is surrounded by plants; perhaps they were first?
Also, when Rom was reborn as a Great One (sorta) but became vacuous, was that the still birth of her brain? Like Mensis meeting Mergo, but they became vacuous, unable to ascend? Human Rom had audience with Kos, she almost ascended but failed = vacuous. Which now brings me to another random thought... Master Willem he seems to have lost most of his mind once we find him.... unable speak and weak.... If he suffered the malady of Eldritch encounters, which great one would it have been? Ebrietas?
The problem here is that unlike Rom, the Brain of Mensis was "a legitimate great one." So they did ascend (assuming the Brain of Mensis is what happened to all the Mensis scholars, Father than something they captured and were killed by).
I think it’s so nuts that you guys don’t have a huge channel. Content is so whacky but always informative and every single guest the podcast has always seem to have great chemistry with Sin and Soph. This channel has been in my top 10 for a year or two now and I don’t regret a second spent watching all these vids lol.
Can you two keep doing this forever until I die? Pls and thnk you.
Aw thanks so much for your words. It can get discouraging at times knowing the algorithm doesn't really pick up our content, but the community is amazing
20:59 Ive always enterprited it as the chalice dugeons are another level of the stacked nightmares below Yarnham, and Rom and Queen Yarnham are both greater beings that exist on multiple planes of reality at once. You kill them in one plane, but you only damage part of them in one level of physical reality because they've tranceded time and physical bounds.
It very well could be that the further down you travel in the chalice dungeons, the further back in time you go.
Yeah, my take on it is lower = earlier.The player, Bloodletting Beast, Rom, Patches and some of the NPCs are treated slightly differently because they're from outside, going down like we are.
@@SinclairLore I just had a thought. Perhaps the chalice dungeons are the base of the dream stack or close to the lower level, or at least the lowest physical realm. Maybe the weight of the other realms on top of it almost compress it down, which is why time tends to condense and move improperly. It may very well fit into the whole stagnency theme of Oedon. Ive always though of beasthood and insight ascension as the lower and higher parts of the self, the subconscious and super ego, where yarnham is the ego and perhaps symbolic of the corruption, or stagnation rune. The layers above are symbolic of flowing and slowing water, hidden away by Rom's reflective lake, then you reach yarnham where things stagnate in perpetual night, and then when you go lower they start to writhe, like the sequence of Oedon and lake runes in the clock tower where you fight Maria. When you go lower, which you can't do in-game, you may be in a realm only comprehensible by great ones, perhaps the realm of Oedon, which may be the eldrich truth that the Pthumerians discovered. This same higher-lower superego-subconcious theme is present in Dark Souls with the light and dark souls, but with more of an alchemical/holy-trinity-chaotic-fourth/eastern philosophy vibe and interpretation as opposed to lovecraftian. Those seeking the power of bloodtinge would want to go to the bottom level, those seeking the power of arcane would want to go to the top level. This is further supported by Queen Yarnham, who is as far down as you can go, using extremely powerful blood magic, and Kin and arcane enemies using things like stars and meteors from the heavens. At the very bottom everything pools, stagnates, churns, and things are born from it, perhaps even the layers above. Just like the dark soul. At the very top everything is spread out, expanding, and travels long distances quickly like currents, and involves light, but in the pursuit of that knowledge and power terrible things are done, just like with the light soul. Ascension involves combining, embodying or existing in both, as opposed to moving towards one. I imagine it's like a tree, sort of like the archtrees, where its condensed and in the earth in a root system towards the bottom and climbs up and spreads out in leaves and branches towards the top. The chalice dungeons are the roots, Yarnham is the trunk and the nightmares are the branches. The very top layer is the heavens and the very bottom layer is the primal chaotic void where everything is fused. Maybe this is why the lake runes make your resistance bars longer and the formless Oedon rune allows you to condense more resources in a small space. Great ones unite both and most likely created the tree-like physical world we exist in as a result, which is a manifestation of the conciousness and ego created from joining the sub and super conscious, and is synonymous with the ancient creation archetype used in pretty much every souls game. This could explain both why the great ones are plant-like, and why there's the archtree-ash-lake hint in the hunter's dream. Maybe the moon and presence is kind of its own thing or the highest realm before the heavens, and when they create the hunters dream they create a little replica of the hunters workshop in the moon presence's conciousness, which brings the moon closer to yharnam and causes the blood moon. Rom's lake reflecting the moon could have served as a barrier. This may also be why you see "archtrees" in the distance, you're now outside of it as opposed to in it. Interestingly, there's also this idea of a tree and a moon in elden ring. I think Miyazaki has a central theme of archetypes that he bases every game off of, but takes an entirely different interpretation and approach to conveying them and leaves out different pieces of the puzzle in each one.
Something about Rom always struck me as the point of the game where you have to go all in on being a hunter.
What I mean by this is that most of the game leading up to Rom has you react to the violence and horror bearing down on you but Rom is different.
You go to Rom. Rom doesn't start hostile and when fighting, she fights is very passive and franticly. It feels like you as a hunter have to walk into the Rom fighting wanting to kill her or at the very least the fight tells you that you're supposed to give into the instinct to kill her as your prey.
I studied Aikido for a bit and you're always trying to de-escalate fights. You're trying to supposed to learn self control so that you are not to source of escalation of conflicts and with Rom I could feel that she just wanted to be left alone that I was the invader of her world. My first time through the game I was playing with a sense of curiosity and wonder. I kept wondering how I could undo all of the damage and with Rom I realized that I was wrong.
The game puts you in Yharnam to destroy it all and with the death of Rom there is no more mistaking the truth.
No matter what you were before, now, you are a hunter.
How about a lore video (made up) on Moon-Moon Presence?
Because her name was Roma and how spiders tend to dangle, instead of a carrot, all I can picture Rom as is a giant Tomato now.
That the Altar of Despair is something Rom's corpse sits on, rather than the corpse itself, is a detail that makes so much sense but that I never realized! I also think that, like you were pointing out, Rom's corpse could have been brought their either before the events of the game or in the time-skip between when we kill Rom and wake up. I think it is most likely that they did it in the time skip, just because it seems like Rom's ritual was done after the Red Moon in Old Yharnam in an attempt by Byrgenwerth to keep the Church from doing it again. The Choir could have brought her corpse to the Altar of Despair in a desperate attempt to bring her back to life and keep the Mensis Ritual from continuing.
Honestly this is the only soulsborne lore stuff I watch/listen to where I basically agree with or am convinced of every conclusion being made. Been a highlight of my last few weeks listening
Thank you!
I love you guys, but my only 'gripe' is the amount of notes in videos now... I love hearing you two say something and the other (usually Sophie) burst out in laughter and react sarcastically - I feel like notes take that away. But I might be alone in this and I'm still a loyal patreon, just wanted to say! 😘
Imagine how I feel
Though some of the notes are plain out brilliant. Specially whenever Master Hidetaka Miyazaki shows up. Love that guy!
I can understand where some people might find the notes frustrating at times but like Sophie said and one of The Other podcasts She was attracted to sins channel Because she took a light-hearted look at bloodborne lore. I think this is a very clever way of showing how serious they are about giving you the lore that you tune in for but also keep in it light hearted And not over bearing. There are some great channels that do lore, but I feel they take themselves too seriously at times. And this is the reason this channel will always be my go to channel on souls lore
I love the videos on BloodBorne! Honestly my heart is so happy to see people are still excited by this game. I love this game so much
Found this channel through your cameo on the Internet Pitstop, absolutely love the podcasts. Im officially addicted to your channel now and look forwards to all your new content!
Thank you so much!
Awesome Rom video.... I'm one of the hopeless.... someone that could listen to others talk about Bloodborne 7 years later..... Soph, can you tell Lance McDonald he really, really needs to finish his video about "Upsidedown Byrgenwerth". He teased it a few years ago, boasting about how much content of the University he has to show, hehe.
"do moon snacks exsit"
Well have you not read about the big moon energy drink? It's like you're not reading the lore smh...
roms eyes darting around kind of looks like the amygdalas laser attack where the eyes pop out of different holes in a fast pace, maybe if rom's head was larger the eyes would fit inside holes on her head?
I just found your channel and am listening to everything. I am loving the old stuff but also this new remake series! Looking forward to more ❤
Welcome aboard!
Nice work guys ❤
You know I think the difference between bergenwerth and the church was indeed approach. Bergenwerth was trying to reach the state neccessary by natural means. Just continue learning and growing as a human with the natural processes until they are ready to ascend. The church was all about using the blood to force the issue of evolution in an unnatural way so as to get to that higher, enlightened state in the quickest way possible. Problem with the first is it is so slow as to not be making any progress at all. The problem with the second is they seemed to assume the mutation would only be beneficial as even if the subject didn't make it all the way they would be lifted up and thus they would be able to add to the collective knowledge. But that isn't what happened and suddenly they had this big problem with everybody turning into supernatural monsters with no guidance on the process.
It's interesting how rom's design is clearly an iteration upon Primeval demons from demons souls. She's a new born higher being just like them, with the same weird umbilical cord tails. The Primeval demons also don't really fight back and we just slay them for their power
I always thought that Rom was vacuous because she was still really young, relative to a higher being, I mean she’s been a kin of the cosmos for how long, like 10, 15, 20 years? So even with all of that time, it’s still no where near enough for her to adjust.
One last thing, I don’t remember from where I know this, but I’m pretty sure Willem was pissed at Rom because she wasn’t communicating with him and shit, and my thoughts about that is that Rom is on such a higher plane of existence, even with how young she is, that she isn’t able to communicate with humans. It’s like you trying to talk to an ant.
I don’t know if all of this is correct but thats what I always thought.
Also I haven’t watched this podcast in like 3 months and omg this is amazing, thank you for granting us eyes.
I'm with you on this. Willem hoped transformed Rom will reveal to him all secrets of the cosmos, but Rom didn't. So he called her 'vacuous' either by misunderstanding of her motives or by spite. It's clear not everybody thinks Rom is stupid, because Micolash really wants to take the same path she went, and the second note about Rom says she reached true enlightment, but she actively did choose not to share that.
Just found this channel and I love it. Great discussion, and your love for BB shows through very clearly.
My personal impression playing the game was that Byrgenwerth was built next to the lake because Rom was an ancient being there to start with. Always though Rom was a genuine great one, but never considered she was made by Willem and Co to control reality.
Really sad when you consider Brain of Mensis by comparison may just have been a product of Micolash's jealousy, or maybe just curiosity to emulate Rom. Instead BoM became a dead vegetable monster, incapable of response, though would have been an incredibly boss fight if a success (think cleric beast with a winter lantern head)
Rom was tough but I always found her incredibly graceful, dignified and mothering, even if she was an awful inhuman abomination. Seeing ebrietas as a moth and her as a caterpillar almost made me think they are one in the same (where Rom might mature into a winged Ebrietas, as a caterpillar would pupate), and if so maybe Ebrietas was once human, transformed by the Choir and trapped in a damp dungeon basement. How else would they be able to contain her? Unless captured as an infant and nurtured in the basement of the cathedral?
Personally I think Ebrietas is a bs boss fight, her health bar is insane. Very difficult to solo.
Glad you found us!!
Is that extra cut dialogue from Micolash ??? It’s so cool omg
Sophie’s cutaways had me on the floor 😂
Why am I only now learning of this channel. Gold mine
Aww! Ty!
Well if you work long hours, we have a long playlist lol ruclips.net/p/PLOIA4n5j7KcZaBII_ybUP9MuW_gJcqloG&si=HzIho9W8MpWn2yos
Your animations are so beautiful! Who did them?
Holdsworthhands!
@@SinclairLore awesome! Really enjoyed the video
Do we think Rom was the mother of some 50 children and she insisted they attend everything she did?
i love how i came back to the video and everytime i scrolled the bar and stopped it i would just hear laughing
2:34 "We don't know anyone called Rom..." There's the Israeli computer scientist Raphael Rom of the Catmull-Rom spline fame.
I think the reason we see Amygdala everywhere is because we’re in a nightmare and the amygdala is part of the human brain 🧠 and nightmares and fear and anxiety, emotions like these originate in the amygdala of the brain.
Not to say it's boring, but I'm gonna fall asleep to this now.
Thanks for the gud vid :)
“It’s 4:40AM and I’m really feeling it!” - Sophie
the guts statue on miyazaki's desk 😂
I still can't believe they dropped "Rom the idiot/blind spider"... it was right there.
It’s nice to know that Australia is only slightly less horrifying than Yharnham
looool
Especially during lockdowns
@@mykalkelley8315 what are you doing out on the night of the hunt?
are you that outsider? well sorry, but I don’t want anything to do with ya!
Sophie has some valid criticisms about the Rom fight, but I saw it as part of bloodborne's different design of Bloodborne. A lot of the bosses are way harder if you give them space. I realised this when fighting Master Logarius, most of his attacks seem to miss if you're off to his side, and he spends a lot of the time backing off. I feel like it's shown the most in the Micolash Fight, if indirectly. Bloodborne doesn't cater to all fighting styles, and ranged attacks are a joke. You're a hunter, you're usually best being up in the enemy's face
Rom is cute. She means well 🥺
I think perhaps killing Rom is symbolic of how carelessly messing with Eldritch forces when we can't fully understand them is dangerous.
9:05 the sixty minute clock originated as early as sumer - prague has the oldest clocktower in the world
also love the idea that the "rom" everyone is fretting about is "rome", would not've considered it without you two mentioning names in this game are what the people who first encounter it utter first. great video!
I've been going through old episodes and love Jersey Miyazaki interludes. Who voices Jersey Miyazaki?
Love the content!
It's really him.
@@SinclairLore of course, silly of me to assume otherwise 😅
ROM the vacuous spider is it anything like a vacuous truth in philosophy, that’s what I was wondering if that’s the type of vacuous it refers to
I hope they're not getting rid of the old ones
producer's version? I just want to make sure I get the right one for .
The winter lanterns are also wearing the doll clothing set
Yeah! And if you like Winter Lanterns we have a whole episode here :) ruclips.net/video/r1JFulI70S0/видео.html&
@@SinclairLore awesome! I just found your channel. BB is a masterpiece and i love it. Have any more good ones from Bloodborne that i should check iut?
@@ripsterhipster5948 Glad you found us!
Well our channel primarily focuses on Bloodborne, so we have a lot of that lol. I think the more recent ones are the best ones.
For example:
• Pthumeru: ruclips.net/video/ehL2XAj9i7Y/видео.html&t
• Brador: ruclips.net/video/yGACbbXxZWA/видео.html&t
• Healing Church: ruclips.net/video/kM7I0zm8N_c/видео.html&t
• General Themes of BB: ruclips.net/video/mt-kx3GHSXI/видео.html&t
• 10 BB facts: ruclips.net/video/vQMjS69riwc/видео.html&t
• Micolash: ruclips.net/video/wPBE5edHUF4/видео.html
Hope this helps!
Dude Rom just stands there? The spiders do not however they will chase you down and jump at your head first
Love you guys the best videos to watch while I wait for Elden Ring
The way Google Sassed you about ur Spotify after u called her useless
Rom sleeping bag merch, when? :3
I did the same thing with Rammstein 🤣
I have a theory that has no evidence (that I know of) other than the fact that Fromsoftware likes to reuse story beats. I think that it’s possible that when you go into the Chalice Dungeons and kill Rom, the Bloodletting Beast, the Queen of Yharnam, etc., that is actually how they died originally. Similar to the story of Artorias of the Abyss where you go back in time and kill Artorias, but it turns out that it had always been you who killed him. Something like this also happens in Bloodborne when you kill the Blood-starved beast, and then the Choir come in after you and take the chalice.
DU HAST DU HAST MEIZE
Lol, that's it's if I ever have a daughter I'm going to name her Rom, just so people can call her babies Romlets. XD
"Associated beast-hunting community" :p
59:30 average day in Australia. 😂
Some things never change: like Sin endlessly torturing Sophie and dragging these podcasts out infinitely.
Lmao @ google confusing Ebrietas with Sabritas
You know Rom kind of looks like a loaded sweet potato.
I absolutely love Sophie ❤😂
Bit late to ask but did Sophie take a pic of the spiders?
haha i asked the same thing! i dont think she did
napoleon dynamite's moon boots
Y'ALL NEVER HAD A MOONPIE?!?!? 😭😭😋😋😋How do I send you each some
Sooooo... question... why isn't Willam in The Hunter's Nightmare? I mean, that's like going to hell and not finding Hitler there...
Because he isn’t a hunter. He’s a scholar.
I did curse them but am I mad about it? No. I died 🤣
Wait what? 20:06. I thought Kos was the one who explicitly cursed Yharnahm. Queen Yharnahm did too? Also, 19:00 "a man with several limitations has to be one of the most hurtful insults" oof.
Also the more I stare at the QY model the more grotesque I realize it is, from the shackled hands to the bloody abdomen. Kudos to the creator.
OH SHIT! AND THERE'S A GUTS ONE! FUCK YEAH
Yeah Yharnam has more than one curse XD they keep messing up!
@@SinclairLore no yeah I get that. I was talking about the curse of blood drunkenness that leads to the hunters nightmare, which seems to be Kos.
In fact I forgot about the other curses cause it's been so long tbh 😢. So are we getting the lore of Dead Space and Spawn? 😂
@@johntrains1317 hahah I hope so! Once our job situations stabilize it might get easier to release stuff
6:25
Yup moonpies are a thing, mostly popular the older generation when they were younger afaik
Don't see em much nowdays and I feel if I asked my friends about them they would ask me wtf I was talking about lol
I've seen banana moonpies more readily than chocolate and I've seen them at Walmart and Kroger with the snack cakes
@@thesaltyelephant7980 nice, I mostly see chocolate and at gas stations haha
Romstein, lol.
Elden ring could 100% explicitly confirm BLB is Lawrence...people would still fight about it.