Man I feel like God was speaking to me thru this video! I have a bad habit of doing work too cheap and regretting it once I start editing. Great video.
I did a gig with that same type of contract for 1200. They made it seem like it would be a cake walk. It was 200 miles away, multi-cam set up, I had no assistance, all day event, quick turnaround, and full ownership. After it was done, I realized it wasn’t worth it. This is an excellent video bro. It’s a blessing to do what you love but don’t get hustled. Know your worth and stand by it
@@shaunmaddox yeah it was a really interesting situation because i had to make a quick decision and have everything prepped before bed but that was hard enough because i was going to Bible study . But im Glad you had something similar to learn from
@@Semesem_ Yeah bro, it’s not worth it. I later found out they profited 40k from the event. If you would have done the gig, they would expected it all the time. Short notice, fast turnaround, and ultra low budget. Just hearing the story gave me flashbacks
Man it gets tiring being in these kind of situations and seeing so many others in them as well. Salute to you protecting your piece and avoiding a headache.
I’m two decade veteran of this game and I’m thoroughly impressed with how professional you were in your exchanges. You’re spot on in this scenario. With that kind of pressure, deliverables, and short time frame, they should have backed up a truck for you so that they could secure quality professional work in such short notice.
I’m glad your video showed up in my YT feed. I work on a different continent, but many things work similarly here. You respond to potential clients in such a professional and thoughtful way. It’s great that you have a financial cushion. There were times when I didn’t have that and ended up agreeing to almost anything, which often wasn’t worth it in the end. I could have spent that time working on smaller or personal projects, or even just resting. The worst situation is feeling like you have no options and must accept whatever comes your way. In such cases, clients often expect you to do the work of three people for the salary of one. It’s much better to slow down, set boundaries, and make time for yourself. Have a great day, brother!
You said it perfectly. In ways people will treat their businesses like any 9-5 job and are told what they’re worth, so I’m grateful for the position to educate and respectfully decline anything by that would make me feel like I’m an employee all over again
The value that you provide about the business side of things is unmatched, especially for us solo creators, and I follow some great channels. The difference between your content and others similar to yours, is that you share detailed information. Very helpful. 🙌🏾
Well done. You were a pro from start to finish and you’re wise to respect all the red flags that came up. That job was a TON of work with a short fuse and a puny budget. AND you can bet they would have micromanaged the heck out of the project-and you! Way to show respect for your talent and your process.
Could you do a follow-up on what types of projects and deliverables would have fit the budget, or, how using the crew you imagined bringing along would have been a value add?
This is a really helpful video! Over the course of the last year or 2 I've found the quality of the videos that I create have gotten better and better to the point where I'm now getting offers to do paid gigs and I have been willing to take them on regardless of the budget just so I could have stuff for my own reel. After watching this, I think it's time to start re-evaluating what my value is as a videographer/cinematographer and not be so eager to take a job because it puts a little money in the bank. Also, I didn't see the hat in the beginning of the video because I had it playing in the background, but as soon as you mentioned the bible study and being filled with the Spirit, I hit the brakes, opened the tab and watched the video from there on out. Love the content and I just liked and subbed!
That’s awesome you’re getting paid gigs. There are so many videographers struggling in that so kudos to you. And hes because I’ve seen client Contracts like this before , my past self would’ve took the job and later find out this isn’t my ideal client. I’m glad you’re encourage by me not shying away from my faith as well. It’s dope to see so many believers in this field.
Great video!!! You handled that situation very well. I learned when I use to take the cheapest budgets them clients usually are the biggest headache. They want numerous re-edits & deliverables. It dont be worth it. Way to stand on business & help the community as well ✊.
Definitely dodged a missle. I’ve been in these situations many times I remember talking with a construction company about creating recruitment videos. Talking they make millions a year around 8 interviews, broll, traveling to each location and needed to be delivered in a tight window of a month Atleast 7-10k worth of work Their budget was $2k no wiggle room So I definitely know that limbo of dang I need the money but I’m not stretching myself thin. But I held my ground and declined and didn’t feel bad
That’s a great story on your part, thanks for sharing. It can definitely be tough when you hear numbers that sound big, but when you put into perspective the amount of work it starts to feel like minimum wage . Thanks for sharing
Love this, man! It can DEFINITELY be tempting to say yes when you're only looking at the shortterm, but it's important to not rush to judgements on these things. Also, love the hat!
thank you this is the first year I started making money off this craft, I used to throw out a flat rate price to quick before asking detailed questions and was over working myself for low bread, I'm not doing that now but this video taught me a few new things that will help in future. Keep going ! we all on it for 2025 !! 100%
Another amazing video! You giving us the important stuff bro. Cant thank you enough keep up the good work! This time next year you gonna be past 100k followers im callin it!
Great video. Money should not be the motivating factor in every job. Doing a great job should be. They wouldn't even offer the $3500 you quoted. Sounds like a bunch of shysters to me. Screw them and their $3000. You're a professional and you should be treated like one. As the realtor chick Helen told you you're not charging enough. Good on you for turning them down.
I totally agree with you on all levels. Why would they deny you the right to own your stuff. People pay a fortune for that. Thanks for sharing and thanks for sharing your faith and believes. Learning a lot.
well the timming of this video is splendit. Slow month and I just got an oppurtunity for continuous job. Informations were pretty thin and today I have got an email with google drive folder where was footage Im suppose to work with. The job is 10+ reels a month for 1/3 of a price that I was considering it. I thought to myself that it might be good for couple of months. Speeding up postproduction on actually usable reels didnt sound half bad. Then I checked the footage. Everything is hand held iphone mostly on horizontal on auto settings so shatter is off, iso is jumping and the guys with camera thought that zooming in and out is a good "effect". Also the follow up email contained their budget and theme of testing reel is basicaly the name of the country they were recording. So no real idea what they are looking for. It already feels like a solid headake and I just scrubbed first folder out of 19 (1,5h of materials). And trust me its nowhere near the budget you have got offered. Deadline is on monday so it seems like I will be doing some rethinking. Thanks for reminding me why did I choose this job at the first place.
Thanks for sharing your situation. It’ll allow more people to see and understand what we go through and possibly stand united on making sure we are paid according to the work load we are given
you came to me just in time! I’ve been thinking of a job offer that will bury me under editing and re-editing for months and the budget is _ as you amazingly accurate expression_ doesn’t make sense. So I’ll borrow some of your wisdom and say No. thanks, Man, liked an subscribed, peace and keep going
Dude I wish you had posted this two weeks ago lol I’m in a similar situation now. I was hired for an event photography and videography gig (2 vertical and 2 horizontal videos) for two hours. All of that for 1k. I only took the job because November was kinda slow for me 🥲 moral of the story is that don’t take all the jobs that come your way!
I think there’s an alternate scenario where maybe the stress would’ve been worth it if a relationship was established for future work. All in all I still think you made the right choice just subbed to your channel. Love your hat.
You are absolutely right, there’s always the chance a strong relationship could develop. But, in my experience, this type of project isn’t the best way to start building trust. But I also believe that’s just because I’ve been doing this awhile, more times than not for someone just starting out, testing the waters and saying yes to something like this could be a good launching pad for future jobs. Thanks for the input
It seems like whoever you’re dealing with is acting as a middleman or agent. The real budget is probably closer to 10, 15, or even 20k. The stipulations about handing over all the raw footage and not promoting yourself are likely in place to prevent the actual client from discovering that you’re the one who did all the work.
This is the kind of reply and exchange I like to give other professionals in this business. I think the scripts felt like :60 scripts with cutdowns which can be straight forward. 2K to shoot would have been fair. It’s the edit where they get you! Always a challenge. That’s why I don’t shoot and edit. Thanks for the insight. Lastly, the bigger the brand and talent, the less rights you’re going to have with material. That’s a hard truth. Always ask. They will allow use for reel/promo purposes after it’s posted/shown but it has to be in writing.
I never knew it was a terrible deal until I started the post production. Then I wanted to pull my hair out. Picky on every shot, complain about everything, multiple revisions. I can see it coming now
It’s really bizarre how you’d expect certain brands or names to carry bigger budgets but they don’t. Some will feel they are helping you out just from the collaboration . But when there’s an NDA all that goes out the window
Yeah that is definitely frustrating. The project itself with all those deliverables and bringing a crew is closer to 10K. But then doing a NDA that you can't say anything ever and giving them ownership, that is definitely in the 5 figure range of budget.
I am a videographer here in the UK and after freelancing full time for a year, I can certainly say that I will say no to jobs that are below my rate. I did a lot of weddings as a second and third videographer filming from 9AM until like 12 midnight for as little as £300. Imagine standing, running around with a camera on a gimbal with a lens for like 12-15 hours with breaks as short as 15-20 minutes for £300 is in my opinion just downright wrong. These companies will never treat us well to be honest. Its up to us to take care of ourselves. I have no hate against the people that do this to videographers because at the end of the day, we are adults and we have our own brains to make sound decisions. What I do want is I hope that people start treating other people well or at least fairly but I know that is just another pipe dream.
@ sadly, if we educate and ask for fair treatment, they will just drop us because there is always someone who will take that low paying job no matter how unfair it will be. I was that guy. I learned my lesson and I promise to treat myself fairly and not become part of the problem.
Thanks for sharing I will jump on the project and cry later with their lawsuit 😂😂 Honestly do not take a project that you can’t afford to payback That’s my thoughts .
I find that sometimes when I am the questions I need for the job, the client is put off because they just want a yes man. Also have you ever found that when they ask you to quote and it’s over their budget they disappear, even though you asked already for their budget which they don’t give.
@ how do you combat reaching out to the right people. Sometimes I get stock and lost as to who to contact. I do emails, LinkedIn and try find agencies but then hit a wall
11:08 oh boy that was THE red flag. an event with that dimension with a window time of less than 24 hours is wild. i'd run away for sure after this one.
I quite literally had this conversation as this video was uploaded and that’s a sign from the most high , edit 22 mins for 200 I’m free at the moment kinda bored and i was like Am I fucking crazy lmaooooooooo yeah bro respect saying no to bread is hard but these ppl don’t know how much goes into it specially if you fire rings and editing also they don’t know you spent 4 hours picking the right hue of blue just for them to pick the trash draft . I’ve almost lost my self a few times commcerisks slow up you need that bread na your a artist not a salesman
I always give them them all the files. Never needed someone elses footage. Your price $3500-4000 is right price. You could have taken 3k and been fine.
It's all about finding a balance , if $3k works for you after splitting 3 ways, multiple deliverables , NDA and not having rights then that’s fine for you but it isn’t for me . And that’s ok. We don’t all have to run our businesses the same
People need to realise they can also say yes to a job if it doesn’t match what they ‘deem’ worthy. People nowadays are way to quick to have the mentality that they deserve this or they deserve that just because they’ve got a degree or for whatever equipment. Nah. Ain’t how it works. Take the job that’s not paying you what you want if you don’t have anything else on, use the experience make the contacts, collaborate. It could lead to bigger things.
Thanks for giving your thoughts. But with my experience , this wouldn’t been a headache. Money isn’t everything when it comes to the amount of work and amount of work and resources they were trying to get. That’s the thing with entrepreneurship. You don’t have to just take anything like you would a 9-5. You can set your own terms. And it can be Win Win on both sides. The best jobs are the ones where a client and videographer feel heard and that they are both getting a good deal Out of the situation
Anyone ever tell you that you look like you could be twin brothers with Doitall from Lords of the Underground? 😂😂😂 But yeah, standing on business is KEY. Once you are known as the cheap option, you'll ALWAYS be the cheap option
You need to explain all of that in your second email bro at the end of the day I think you was asking for too much if you need to keep their footages you should negotiate properly,
Man I feel like God was speaking to me thru this video! I have a bad habit of doing work too cheap and regretting it once I start editing. Great video.
It happens to the best of us, glad this video can help!
I did a gig with that same type of contract for 1200. They made it seem like it would be a cake walk. It was 200 miles away, multi-cam set up, I had no assistance, all day event, quick turnaround, and full ownership. After it was done, I realized it wasn’t worth it. This is an excellent video bro. It’s a blessing to do what you love but don’t get hustled. Know your worth and stand by it
@@shaunmaddox yeah it was a really interesting situation because i had to make a quick decision and have everything prepped before bed but that was hard enough because i was going to Bible study . But im
Glad you had something similar to learn from
@@Semesem_ Yeah bro, it’s not worth it. I later found out they profited 40k from the event. If you would have done the gig, they would expected it all the time. Short notice, fast turnaround, and ultra low budget. Just hearing the story gave me flashbacks
@ man hearing makes my skin crawl truly.
😅
Man it gets tiring being in these kind of situations and seeing so many others in them as well. Salute to you protecting your piece and avoiding a headache.
It's a shame that this happens so often, but it's good to know that you're not alone in this.
I’m two decade veteran of this game and I’m thoroughly impressed with how professional you were in your exchanges. You’re spot on in this scenario. With that kind of pressure, deliverables, and short time frame, they should have backed up a truck for you so that they could secure quality professional work in such short notice.
Glad you found the video helpful. That was a tough situation. But hopefully
It provides guidance with up and comers
Your responses are just great man. I'm learning.
I'm glad you're learning! It took me time to get these responses right
@@Semesem_ The time put in shows.
I’m glad your video showed up in my YT feed. I work on a different continent, but many things work similarly here. You respond to potential clients in such a professional and thoughtful way. It’s great that you have a financial cushion. There were times when I didn’t have that and ended up agreeing to almost anything, which often wasn’t worth it in the end. I could have spent that time working on smaller or personal projects, or even just resting. The worst situation is feeling like you have no options and must accept whatever comes your way. In such cases, clients often expect you to do the work of three people for the salary of one. It’s much better to slow down, set boundaries, and make time for yourself. Have a great day, brother!
You said it perfectly. In ways people will treat their businesses like any 9-5 job and are told what they’re worth, so I’m grateful for the position to educate and respectfully decline anything by that would make me feel like I’m an employee all over again
Last minute gigs ALWAYS have variables that pop up that we didn't think about or didn't plan for.
Man they really do. And when you feel rushed to make a decision sometimes you don’t think clearly on what you should’ve asked
The value that you provide about the business side of things is unmatched, especially for us solo creators, and I follow some great channels. The difference between your content and others similar to yours, is that you share detailed information. Very helpful. 🙌🏾
I appreciate that! I’ll
Continue to do so
Well done. You were a pro from start to finish and you’re wise to respect all the red flags that came up. That job was a TON of work with a short fuse and a puny budget. AND you can bet they would have micromanaged the heck out of the project-and you! Way to show respect for your talent and your process.
I’m glad you caught all the red flags too! Micro managing is one of the things I can hate most about taking bad deals
Could you do a follow-up on what types of projects and deliverables would have fit the budget, or, how using the crew you imagined bringing along would have been a value add?
I think I can do that
This is a really helpful video! Over the course of the last year or 2 I've found the quality of the videos that I create have gotten better and better to the point where I'm now getting offers to do paid gigs and I have been willing to take them on regardless of the budget just so I could have stuff for my own reel. After watching this, I think it's time to start re-evaluating what my value is as a videographer/cinematographer and not be so eager to take a job because it puts a little money in the bank. Also, I didn't see the hat in the beginning of the video because I had it playing in the background, but as soon as you mentioned the bible study and being filled with the Spirit, I hit the brakes, opened the tab and watched the video from there on out. Love the content and I just liked and subbed!
That’s awesome you’re getting paid gigs. There are so many videographers struggling in that so kudos to you. And hes because I’ve seen client
Contracts like this before , my past self would’ve took the job and later find out this isn’t my ideal client. I’m glad you’re encourage by me not shying away from my faith as well. It’s dope to see so many believers in this field.
RESPECT. The amount of respect you have for your potential client and yourself is incredible. Both are equally important!
You hit the nail on the head with this comment
glad you shared this information helped me alot as a videographer.
Glad it was helpful! I wish this was the type of content I had available when starting my business
Thanks for sharing this information. It’s definitely helpful for me as I’m just getting started with doing videography work.
I’m glad you found it helpful, best of luck building your business 🙏🏾
Great video!!! You handled that situation very well. I learned when I use to take the cheapest budgets them clients usually are the biggest headache. They want numerous re-edits & deliverables. It dont be worth it. Way to stand on business & help the community as well ✊.
So true! That’s exactly what I’ve dealt with too. Better to just let it go
All your videos are extremely helpful and I admire the fact that your unashamed of your Christianity.
@@bailey_mac Thank you. The goal is to flood you guys with useful info and real
world situations
Definitely dodged a missle. I’ve been in these situations many times
I remember talking with a construction company about creating recruitment videos. Talking they make millions a year
around 8 interviews, broll, traveling to each location and needed to be delivered in a tight window of a month
Atleast 7-10k worth of work
Their budget was $2k no wiggle room
So I definitely know that limbo of dang I need the money but I’m not stretching myself thin.
But I held my ground and declined and didn’t feel bad
That’s a great story on your part, thanks for sharing. It can definitely be tough when you hear numbers that sound big, but when you put into perspective the amount of work it starts to feel like minimum wage .
Thanks for sharing
"you shouldnt be so quick on something just because your broke." thats real!
@@MicahSimpson some of my worst business negotiations came from my poverty
@ lessons not soon forgotten!
Love this, man! It can DEFINITELY be tempting to say yes when you're only looking at the shortterm, but it's important to not rush to judgements on these things.
Also, love the hat!
It's a tough decision when you're looking at the short-term vs. the long-term. And thanks. I added the brand on my IG
I don't know how I stumble upon this video but as a filmmaker, I resonated with this so much. subscribe. Looking forward to more content.
Thanks for subscribing! Lots more on the way.
Excellent video brother. Loved your responses and thank you for making this video. Looking forward to many more 💯
Thanks for watching! More on the way!
thank you this is the first year I started making money off this craft, I used to throw out a flat rate price to quick before asking detailed questions and was over working myself for low bread, I'm not doing that now but this video taught me a few new things that will help in future. Keep going ! we all on it for 2025 !! 100%
You got it! 2025 is gonna be our year! 🔥
Another amazing video! You giving us the important stuff bro. Cant thank you enough keep up the good work! This time next year you gonna be past 100k followers im callin it!
Thanks for the support! It's always good to know that people are finding value in the content. Hopefully, I can reach 100k by this time next year!
Great video. Money should not be the motivating factor in every job. Doing a great job should be. They wouldn't even offer the $3500 you quoted. Sounds like a bunch of shysters to me. Screw them and their $3000.
You're a professional and you should be treated like one. As the realtor chick Helen told you you're not charging enough. Good on you for turning them down.
It's a tough decision sometimes, but putting your foot down is important!
@@Semesem_ You're gonna be fine. They solicited you not the other way around. That means you're the man.
Thank you for this, I recently experienced a similar situation. Saying 'No' is key!
It’s a skill that takes practice. Glad you learned something!
I feel like you did the right thing and it made perfect sense 💪🏾💪🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾💯💯
I’m glad I passed it up too
Great video. Thanks for being so open. I 100% feel you comment about "thinking about the money and not the work." Thats such an important topic.
I've been there so many times!
I totally agree with you on all levels. Why would they deny you the right to own your stuff. People pay a fortune for that. Thanks for sharing and thanks for sharing your faith and believes. Learning a lot.
I know, right? But I’m glad you’re being encouraged
This video is gold, Brother! You are bringing to mind past experiences for me and clarifying the value of self worth.
Glad to hear it!
This was awesome. Thank you for giving us this insight!
I'm glad you found it helpful!
Bro, it took me a long time before I learned how to professionally say no.
It takes time to build those boundaries, you got this!
Awesome insight and very valuable information! New fan here, keep it coming!
Glad you enjoyed it, hope you stick around!
well the timming of this video is splendit. Slow month and I just got an oppurtunity for continuous job. Informations were pretty thin and today I have got an email with google drive folder where was footage Im suppose to work with. The job is 10+ reels a month for 1/3 of a price that I was considering it. I thought to myself that it might be good for couple of months. Speeding up postproduction on actually usable reels didnt sound half bad. Then I checked the footage. Everything is hand held iphone mostly on horizontal on auto settings so shatter is off, iso is jumping and the guys with camera thought that zooming in and out is a good "effect". Also the follow up email contained their budget and theme of testing reel is basicaly the name of the country they were recording. So no real idea what they are looking for. It already feels like a solid headake and I just scrubbed first folder out of 19 (1,5h of materials). And trust me its nowhere near the budget you have got offered. Deadline is on monday so it seems like I will be doing some rethinking. Thanks for reminding me why did I choose this job at the first place.
Thanks for sharing your situation. It’ll allow more people to see and understand what we go through and possibly stand united on making sure we are paid according to the work load we are given
This was amazing. I think you should make a video on what parameters to consider whenever you’re getting a job.
That's a great idea!
great stuff man! enjoyed your video!
@@MarioVisions I appreciate that fam. Thanks for watching
you came to me just in time! I’ve been thinking of a job offer that will bury me under editing and re-editing for months and the budget is _ as you amazingly accurate expression_ doesn’t make sense. So I’ll borrow some of your wisdom and say No. thanks, Man, liked an subscribed, peace and keep going
I'm glad this video resonated with you, sometimes those situations are a test of willpower!
Great topic, and love the end to end breakdown.
Thanks! It's always good to break down the steps in detail.
You have a new subscriber! A worshipper and creative! 💪🏿💪🏿
Thanks for the support, glad to have you!
HAAIIILLLLL NO! Come on Neutrogena. The next day? Sometimes the audacity is still shocking. That's an iPhone budget. like iPhone 10, 1080p
That's an iPhone budget alright, and some of these guys need to learn that.
Would have been a hell no from me as well.
😂😂
Add "Videography" to the title and this one is gonna go off bro! Great video, thanks for sharing.
@@labandlegacy I agree! Should say "...to a Videography Job"
You’re absolutely right, I’ll adjust that. Thanks for watching!
100% facts and relatable! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Dude I wish you had posted this two weeks ago lol
I’m in a similar situation now. I was hired for an event photography and videography gig (2 vertical and 2 horizontal videos) for two hours. All of that for 1k. I only took the job because November was kinda slow for me 🥲 moral of the story is that don’t take all the jobs that come your way!
@@samanshp man this is truly a headache when you feel you had to take a job but it burns on the post production side.
Great video sir and great information for the new folks out there. I too have done similar. Your emailing skills is very professional.
Appreciate you! The email is crucial. Hopefully they’ll reach back out in the future with a budget that fits the scope of work
I think there’s an alternate scenario where maybe the stress would’ve been worth it if a relationship was established for future work. All in all I still think you made the right choice just subbed to your channel. Love your hat.
You are absolutely right, there’s always the chance a strong relationship could develop. But, in my experience, this type of project isn’t the best way to start building trust.
But I also believe that’s just because I’ve been doing this awhile, more times than not for someone just starting out, testing the waters and saying yes to something like this could be a good launching pad for future jobs.
Thanks for the input
havent clicked like on video so fast in a while. Great video.
Appreciate that, fam! Hope you got something out of it.
It seems like whoever you’re dealing with is acting as a middleman or agent. The real budget is probably closer to 10, 15, or even 20k. The stipulations about handing over all the raw footage and not promoting yourself are likely in place to prevent the actual client from discovering that you’re the one who did all the work.
That’s a good point.
Great video and advice 💯
Thanks for watching!
This is the kind of reply and exchange I like to give other professionals in this business. I think the scripts felt like :60 scripts with cutdowns which can be straight forward. 2K to shoot would have been fair. It’s the edit where they get you! Always a challenge. That’s why I don’t shoot and edit. Thanks for the insight. Lastly, the bigger the brand and talent, the less rights you’re going to have with material. That’s a hard truth. Always ask. They will allow use for reel/promo purposes after it’s posted/shown but it has to be in writing.
It's a tough balance when it comes to rights but that's a good point
Shhheeeshhh facts!!! I put myself in some horrible situations!
I never knew it was a terrible deal until I started the post production. Then I wanted to pull my hair out. Picky on every shot, complain about everything, multiple revisions. I can see it coming now
I agree with you 100%
🙏🏾🙏🏾
real talk 💥
🙏🏾
Great video
@@jake2eproductions I appreciate that thank you
With that kind of budget and scope you probably were never going to see that second payment.
😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the video. Unfortunately, we have all been in that situation.
I know it's rough!
Yes agree 👍 that’s crazy
Bigger names got low money for others except themselves…
It’s really bizarre how you’d expect certain brands or names to carry bigger budgets but they don’t. Some will feel they are helping you out just from the collaboration . But when there’s an NDA all that goes out the window
This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you for sharing that and being a consummate professional bro 🫡
I’m trying! It’s all about boundaries and setting the right tone.
Yeah that is definitely frustrating. The project itself with all those deliverables and bringing a crew is closer to 10K. But then doing a NDA that you can't say anything ever and giving them ownership, that is definitely in the 5 figure range of budget.
And that short turnaround is and additional fee. You did the right thing turning this down man. Everything is not good.
Yeah those two parameters changed the price by a lot
I am a videographer here in the UK and after freelancing full time for a year, I can certainly say that I will say no to jobs that are below my rate. I did a lot of weddings as a second and third videographer filming from 9AM until like 12 midnight for as little as £300. Imagine standing, running around with a camera on a gimbal with a lens for like 12-15 hours with breaks as short as 15-20 minutes for £300 is in my opinion just downright wrong.
These companies will never treat us well to be honest. Its up to us to take care of ourselves. I have no hate against the people that do this to videographers because at the end of the day, we are adults and we have our own brains to make sound decisions. What I do want is I hope that people start treating other people well or at least fairly but I know that is just another pipe dream.
I think it’s like what you said . It’s up
To us to educate and make them treat us fairly
@ sadly, if we educate and ask for fair treatment, they will just drop us because there is always someone who will take that low paying job no matter how unfair it will be. I was that guy. I learned my lesson and I promise to treat myself fairly and not become part of the problem.
People want to haggle like I’m not using $11,000 worth of MacBook/lens/camera, storage to create your project.
Expertise alone is expensive
$15k at minimum.
They definitely wouldn’t have went for that
Man I’m not a videographer at all but 2k for 24 hours notice and edit + deliver 18 vids in a week?? Taking the absolute piss
That’s the kind of offer that makes you want to slam the laptop shut!
Thanks for sharing
I will jump on the project and cry later with their lawsuit 😂😂
Honestly do not take a project that you can’t afford to payback
That’s my thoughts .
Thanks for sharing your input
“Money will find you if you’re out there building your brand”
The brand is the blood of the business for real
I find that sometimes when I am the questions I need for the job, the client is put off because they just want a yes man. Also have you ever found that when they ask you to quote and it’s over their budget they disappear, even though you asked already for their budget which they don’t give.
I insist on them giving me a budget when projects are this big. More times then not they will give it to me and if they don’t then I won’t proceed.
@ how do you combat reaching out to the right people. Sometimes I get stock and lost as to who to contact. I do emails, LinkedIn and try find agencies but then hit a wall
11:08 oh boy that was THE red flag. an event with that dimension with a window time of less than 24 hours is wild. i'd run away for sure after this one.
Yeah it was definitely something I struggled with. I just tried to think maybe another media team cancelled on them and gave them short notice
@ yes you're right. I appreciate your videos again, you always the realest.
Bro I even felt relieved for you 😅
It was definitely a relief! 😂
👍👍.. also where did you get your hat??
@@JesusPursuit @manOfGodBrand on Instagram
Thx for ur video
My pleasure
I quite literally had this conversation as this video was uploaded and that’s a sign from the most high , edit 22 mins for 200 I’m free at the moment kinda bored and i was like Am I fucking crazy lmaooooooooo yeah bro respect saying no to bread is hard but these ppl don’t know how much goes into it specially if you fire rings and editing also they don’t know you spent 4 hours picking the right hue of blue just for them to pick the trash draft .
I’ve almost lost my self a few times commcerisks slow up you need that bread na your a artist not a salesman
There’s always lessons to be learned
Bruh, I need the link to the hat ✊🏾💯🔥
It’s called ManOfGodBrand on Instagram
5.5k is fair haha
Especially if last minute.
I agree
I see that job at least $4500, no rights to videos, $10k
@@MrLucrativethought yeah that no rights to the video was a def no no for that price. And they asked for RAWS 😮💨
@ I can agree not to release before them, but to have full ownership, only big dogs do that. IMO if they want to be big dog, pay big dog price.
Liking this video so u can let RUclips give you the $3000 you almost got lowballed on ❤
lol thanks
I always give them them all the files. Never needed someone elses footage. Your price $3500-4000 is right price. You could have taken 3k and been fine.
It's all about finding a balance , if $3k works for you after splitting 3 ways, multiple deliverables , NDA and not having rights then that’s fine for you but it isn’t for me .
And that’s ok. We don’t all have to run our businesses the same
Prob difference between us is that i have a project manager and editor on staff, so the money works different.
Never itemize. Don't give them reasons for your price. Ask for their budget and set the price.
If that’s your way that’s cool, but we won’t all have the same way of doing business and setting price and that’s ok
@@Semesem_ Sure, understand your goal is to earn money and not waste time. Try a different method than your current one and you will not waste time.
Sorry for that knowing it’s commercial used… minimum $20,000. Period
That’s good to know
People need to realise they can also say yes to a job if it doesn’t match what they ‘deem’ worthy. People nowadays are way to quick to have the mentality that they deserve this or they deserve that just because they’ve got a degree or for whatever equipment. Nah. Ain’t how it works. Take the job that’s not paying you what you want if you don’t have anything else on, use the experience make the contacts, collaborate. It could lead to bigger things.
Thanks for giving your thoughts. But with my experience , this wouldn’t been a headache. Money isn’t everything when it comes to the amount of work and amount of work and resources they were trying to get.
That’s the thing with entrepreneurship. You don’t have to just take anything like you would a 9-5. You can set your own terms. And it can be Win Win on both sides.
The best jobs are the ones where a client and videographer feel heard and that they are both getting a good deal
Out of the situation
Anyone ever tell you that you look like you could be twin brothers with Doitall from Lords of the Underground? 😂😂😂
But yeah, standing on business is KEY. Once you are known as the cheap option, you'll ALWAYS be the cheap option
No
@Semesem_ yeah, you two definitely favor each other lol 🤣🤣🤣
You need to explain all of that in your second email bro at the end of the day I think you was asking for too much if you need to keep their footages you should negotiate properly,
Wrong