The Honda Civic Hybrid Is Back For 2025 With 200 HP AND 50 MPG!?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- When Honda said they were bringing back the Civic hybrid, many of us expected a reworked version of the Insight's 1.5L 2-motor hybrid, or just the same hybrid as the Civic e:HEV from Europe and Japan, but instead they cranked the dial all the way up to 200 horsepower and 232 lb-ft to make this the most powerful non Type R Civic ever**. (Previous gen Civic Si engines made a hair more HP, but way less torque. The current Si is 200 HP and 192 lb-ft.) We don't have final MPG numbers yet, but we're told that the combined MPG should be around 50 with city or highway numbers being above that lofty number.
2025 also brings an updated infotainment system to the top trims and a new bumper to all the Civics... But still no air vents. |Sad trombone|
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I was going to buy a new Corolla hybrid sedan but now I'm definitely going to wait a month and buy the 2025 Civic Hybrid! 200 HP and 50 MPG is great! Especially since the Civic has more passenger space and more cargo room than the Corolla. Civic wins!
Expect to pay 5k more... Honda Civic price is always closer to the Camry than the Corolla
Remember that one of these hybrids may only net you a fuel savings of around $30 a month. Gotta weigh that with the initial price and know that it may take many years to recoup.
Camry wins over Civic. CIvic are so overpriced, you might as well get a much better Camry.
yeah the old corolla lol!!!!!
@@ComenzandoBien Civic will be more expensive but not 5k more. New 2024 Toyota Corolla LE is $23,200 including destination. New 2024 Civic LX is $24,700 including destination. A difference of $1,500. So expect the new Civic to be 2k more than Corolla
This is probably going to be the only car I recommend to people who don't need more performance or a third row. The accord is a bit too big, the prius has a weird interior and I don't know how the Camry will be. But this car has already proven itself in Europe. All hybrid cars should be making around 200hp. There's now no reason for them not to.
Love my 2024 accord touring model! Pleasantly surprised by how much I love the hybrid powertain. Super quiet, refined and smooth drive. I get 44 MPG combined with 19 wheels.
The hybrid hatch is going to sell like hotcakes, as long as stealerships don't price gouge on markups
it won’t drive like the Si it’s too heavy
Enjoy the repairs I’ve had two hybrids from honda. Parts are insane
@@dieselkid10 what parts?
@@immortal4942 then dont buy it
@@immortal4942it will get you far better fuel economy then the SI 😂
These things are going to sell like crazy
If the sticker price is reasonable and dealers don't get too greedy, these cars will fly off the dealership.
Yep
@@MyMovie5858 The current sport touring is $32k. So after yearly price increase plus hybrid, you're looking at $35k.
@@steve8803 if at $35k, I think this will compare favorably to the Prius Limited.
@@MyMovie5858I would just avoid the local dealers if they all want markup, I wouldn't mind driving further out if there are good deals out of town 😅
Since the waiting for a Prius is still about (ridiculous) 1 year, I might as well just wait for this Hatchback. Thank you!
The prius is so damn ugly
@@sergeysmelnikThe Prius just has a “different” yet functional design. Many car enthusiasts like the new styling of the Prius, but it sounds like you’re less reluctant to accept the changes.
The previous Prius prime looked better than the new one, had more room in back too. I went to IKEA and got 2 Billy bookcases and they fit in the car. I don't think y could do that with the new one. @@rylans.5365
New Prius has shrunk its trunk. And headroom in the back has been reduced. It’s a disappointment. They shouldn’t have stopped making Prius V. It was the best model.
Prius looks good but its much more cramped inside compared to the civic
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for a hybrid HR-V soon and hopefully in that gorgeous boost blue as well
The more hybrid entries in Honda's lineup the closer we get to your hope. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuideThey should make maxed out 220 HP 260lbs of torque and call it HRV Hybrid Si. Would be even better if they made a special manual version but this has no real transmission so not happening 😢
This is perfect powertrain for the upcoming Prelude. I’m ready for Honda to please bring back a two-door car. Prelude I can’t wait.
It's a nice looking car. Plenty of power. You can buy a kit for less than $100 to add the rear vents and a charger port. Now we wait and see what Acura does with the Integra
Hybrid Integra would be amazing, I love my integra but it would be hard to pass up 50MPG for the same amount of power roughly
@@Tatus_legarius I almost got the Integra. Wife vetoed the MT. That nent no LSD. Other than the amazing looks and a few premium touches. I could not justify the extra cost. Not on our budget anyway. I hope you enjoy that car. That is a sweet ride. I ended up getting a sport touring. It's nice enough.
Have a link for the kit?
Thank you Honda! Now I just need to wait for markups to disappear...
The death of the markup would be a celebrated one. -Travis
The Toyota markup is gone i my local area (I even got offered with a $500 discount), so I can't imagine Honda markup to be hanging around much longer.
Until legally mandated dealers are no more, there will be markups
Most of the time you should be able to find a dealer with no markups, you might just have to wait a few months.
@@james2042 Dealer discount has existed for ages and many more have been sold at MSRP so that's simply not true.
Without dealers you may get the cars with no markups, but you could also be overcharged for repairs like apple.
I hope they give Si some deserved loved, you can tell how underpowered it was on top of having a bad engine with this release.
Please Honda!!!! Save the Manuals!!
@@betafinancesquad Si auto-only would be a low blow. It would be a big mistake removing manual option to Si and Type R
SI needs the detuned 2.0T from the old accord
@@sergeysmelnik detuned with hybrid to at least make it 230ish
@@GamerNesto No it wont need hybrid. Hybrid would make it be auto only and non moddable. Look at the 2.0T accord tunes and mods. Thats what the SI needs.
Honda is definitely a big player in the hybrid space
Nice to see there is almost no compromises with the Hybrid option, my work usually snags civics for our fleet of cars and typically average around 38MPG but that's on the smallest engine option and makes it brutal to get up to speed on the highway.
Alas don't think the fuel savings would make sense for would only equate around $500 annually per car.
It’s about damn time. Nice offering for a usable hatch mixed with great mpg.
God, finally Honda brought the hybrid civic over. It's been sold in the UK for ages now. I never understood why they didn't bring it over the pond. Why wait for your competitors to beat you to the punch? Like, thank you? For finally doing what you should've done ages ago? How many people bought a Prius when they would've preferred the civic with 50mpg? What dumbassery. I'm glad it's here, though, all things considered.
Bit of a stretch to suggest Honda doesn't know what they're doing. My assumption is there were still parts logistics/parts availability aftershocks at the beginning of this platform, so the initial hybrid focus was on the European and UK markets where they 1) have more stringent emissions/electrification requirements and 2) sell the Civic at a higher price point. Devote the resources you do have to the places that regulations and profitability matter most. Honda still sold a ton of gas-only Civics in North America in the meantime.
Unfortunately in the delay, they lost me as a potential customer, but it probably doesn't matter, last I talked to a dealer waiting line is already very long. I do think it's funny that Alex keeps saying we don't know exact performance/consumption figures, etc... can't imagine there would be significant engineering changes, so that's all been comprehensively tested elsewhere.
Production capacity is why.
No excuses! I want what I want and I want it now!!!111!
😂
It's because our idiotic emissions and safety regulations are disproportionately strict for smaller cars versus trucks and SUVs. Car companies make more money in the US selling us SUVs and trucks we don't need, and thus, small cars get fewer trim levels versus their bigger, taller siblings.
Plus our fuel prices tend to be lower than the rest of the world, so the added cost of the hybrid usually turns most US buyers away. However, that is quickly changing and car companies know this.
Do you not remember the 2010s hybrid???😂
That dark blue looks sooo good
I really hope this refresh gives the Civic ventilated front seats!
Sadly it looks like there's no button for seat vents. Both the cars in the vid are the highest trim level so they'd have them if any did
Nope, it's already too pricey. Ventilated seats would easily add 1k. The sport touring is already 35k!
@@Wised1000 It would definitely not be $1k... It's a butt fan with seat holes.
@@Ichibuns Were it as simple as that! Anything that deviates from standard costs money. That's why all brands are cookie cutters of different sizes. Commonality means profit.
It's honda. You can only keep dreaming about them adding such features haha. Especially on a refresh.
My beater died a few months ago and I bought the EX-L hatch 😢. Wish it lasted until these hit the market. I didn’t want to stretch my budget to get the accord hybrid.
Will be just a couple k below accord hybrid.
Wonder what the implications are for the Teggy then. A little more of a power bump mayhaps? Unrealistically hoping for something like 250 hp
Dang. This refresh looks nice. I'm genuinely surprised.
Would it kill Honda to give us some wheel options that provide actual friggin sidewall on the tires for the upper trims?
Trade them out if they are so offensive to you.
It's not just Honda. -Travis
The 235 tires will severely reduce mpg.
@@ALMX5DP I shouldn’t need to do that on a commuter car. Keep the low profile to the SI and let the regular Civic actually be comfortable.
@@General_M then get the commuter car spec with smaller wheels and larger aspect ratio tires.
I have the hatchback hybrid here in UK. Enjoy it’s amazing.
How many miles do you get on hybrid mode !
Love how they didn’t use an insanely massive screen like on the Accord hybrid
Exactly. I prefer this smaller screen. It would’t look proportional if they put that big ass screen.
Tell honda to bring back the clarity plug in
Or better yet, Civic PHEV hatch to rival Prius Prime.
Perfect one-car solution.
@@donswier eh i want the 50+ miles of range and the powerful electric motor. If they can fit that within the civic without reducing interior or cargo space, then sure.
I wouldn’t mind a Civic couple for 2026
I'm actually excited about this. I've always wanted a suitable replacement for a RSX
A ECVT/CVT transmission is not a replacement for a RSX.
@Mr44rr there were auto versions.... I have a near mint 05 Type S, but many were the regular versions and people enjoyed them as well.
A little of topic, the Insight (from 2019) can be considered as a hybrid version of the Civic. I was a bit disappointed that Honda didn't do an aerodynamic exterior styling like the 1st gen Insight since it looked similar to the Civic (I'm not saying the Civic looked bad). Even the Clarity should have been called the Insight (and should offer a regular hybrid powertrain along with the plug-in). I loved how the 1st gen Insight looked, so I'm not ruling out an Insight with a strange, yet futuristic aerodynamic design with potentially an EV powertrain, considering the move toward electrification of the industry.
As for this Civic hybrid, it definitely will appeal to many people and can rival against the Corolla Hybrid and Prius. Overall, Honda did a good job on adding a new hybrid to their lineup.
I know they'll never do it, but a manual hyrbrid hatchback would be an amazing daily
There was a manual Civic Hybrid 20 years ago.
I preferred the 2.0 DOHC VTEC with 200HP over any 1.5 turbo.
Not only are there no rear air vents, they also removed the two USB ports for the rear seats that were available on the Touring trim before!
I’m not sure if it will be faster than the si 0-60 because of the added weight. The si also has the limited slip differential and better brakes. Pair that with its manual short shifter and the si will still be a car that’s more fun to drive.
50mpg combined and more power than Si, honda just hit a home run here.
A home run would be a transmission that is not a ECVT/CVT. This is more like a triple.
Why do they keep cycling between the Insight and the Civic Hybrid?
Honda likes to keep things simple and easy when it comes to refreshes.
I'd imagine few consumers even realized it existed.
The Insight was discontinued for the sole purpose of the Civic Hybrid
They can't sell both so they keep on juggling here & there
Now we just need a plug-in model.
I can think of many ways to save money that are better than deleting rear seat air vents. I would trade analog instrument gauges for rear seat air vents any day!
How much does it generally cost manufacturers to add air vents in the back seat? That is such a stupid way to save money when it is an essential feature.
$20 tops…
Si power but not Si handling or manual transmission. ❤ my '24 Si.
What year did car manufacturers decide that people in the back seat don’t need air? All of my Hondas from the 1980’s had rear air vents. I don’t care if it’s common not to put them in lower priced cars. But, it’s just stupid.
"Just buy an acura if you want a civic with rear air vents"
@@james2042 Or a Hyundai/Kia?
I think we've found the new king for best overall compact hybrid. If you want to spend more or need more space, the new Camry should move straight to the top of your shopping list.
Finally! It's been available overseas for a couple of years already!
new civic Si owners are in tears right now lol
Id still take an SI over this. Its manual and I can actually mod it
Not to mention lsd on si models
Si has immense mod potential so no they're not in tears
Si owners losing a race to the Hybrid: “but at least I have a manual.”
😂😂😂
Front and rear looks better. Looking forward to the manual Si.
Honda hybrid buyers should beware. My 2007 Honda Civic Hybrid was part of a class action lawsuit.
There are two types of EV battery warranties, failure warranties and capacity warranties. Most, if not all, manufacturers offer a failure warranty. (e.g., 8 years/100,000 miles) This is applicable if the battery fails completely. Some, but definitely not all, manufacturers offer an explicit battery capacity warranty (e.g., minimum of 65% capacity available for 8 years/100,000 miles). If you buy a vehicle that does not have a capacity warranty and the capacity drops by 80%, what is your EV battery worth? My 2007 Civic Hybrid battery dropped 84% in 5 years. My 2017 Leaf dropped 13% in 18 months.
Luckily Honda isn't so short sighted, engineering wise, as other Manufacturers. This new 2025 Civic Hybrid appears to have a Lithium Ion drive battery rather than those garbage Hybrids with antiquated NiMH batteries. Seems like Honda has advanced Hybrid tech by miles. This is a huge and dramatic leap forwards.
From tests I've seen, and from people who know how to drive these hybrids, mileage is about the same as a Corolla Touring Sport 2.0L. Easier to drive Eco, more pleasant. Bit less mileage than Prius on highway, similar everywhere else, but frankly, I'll take it.
Forget Hyundai, Kia, the Civic is the best car in its segment for sure. Bit expensive, but get the Bose sound option too. Corolla hybrid Sedan, still a good buy, but below.
I think Honda should add this hybrid system in the hrv
I've been waiting for this car since 2022!
But I'm going to keep waiting until the final model year to replace the car I just bought.
07:35 If you get an SE trim Corolla hybrid the tires aren’t much narrower than these are.
Do love both those colors
The way Honda is handling certain things diminishes my interest in what I think has been their most compelling vehicle line in a long time. No rear air vents still? I was complaining about that as a kid in an 01 XJ! Upgraded display? Only on top trim. Want the Hybrid? Again, only select trims. To top it all off *still* no Passport or Ridgeline on the new Pilot platform, how long will that take? Another entire generation?
How about road noise? I bet Honda still not adding noise dampening to doors and floor. I test drove current high-end Civic Sport, and it was noisy on the road. What good is putting Bose premium sound system, if there is so much road noise, that you have to crank up the volume? They couldn't work with Bose on ANR active noise reduction for the car?
Okay so what happens to the Acura Integra? So now the civic is faster and gets better fuel economy....
It looks Honda is upping their game over Toyota, maybe Toyota will respond on their next Corolla. Competition is always good to see. Thanks for the great job!
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They won’t
The 2020 corolla couldn’t even compete with a 2016 civic. The next gen corolla we haven’t seen yet still cannot compete with the civic
Now this is interesting....I'm guessing some enthusiasts will find ways to improve the handling and maybe increase performance.
Now I'll have to wait and see how pricing is for this.
Love the new dark blue!
No spare + low profile tires = problem waiting to happen
so much nicer than the Corolla and Prius ! Love the hatch.
never!!! literaly no honda looks even closer to the latest prius its not even a match no need to argue on that period! the honda looks great but not better.
@@alanmay7929 in your opinion
Agreed. Civics objectively terminated the corolla and Prius from existence
Honda team! We are tired of waiting for a hybrid pHev Ridgeline!
Ever since the problems with Honda that coolant mixed with oil and the fact Honda still hasn't addressed the problem I don't trust Hondas. As far as these model go, I don't like not having a spare tire and definitely do not like not having vents in the rear. Wish they'd put vents on roof, I find those work better than the ones on the center console.
As an owner of a 2024 si, this upsets me
Sold my 22 last month 😂 but i hope the new Sis get a much needed power bump
@@leospaceman2976 me too, it hurts that they've been at 200hp for the last 30 years
So is this going to be the Honda Si replacement? Then that will just leave the Honda Type R as their performance models.
Alex youll get the 5 door model!!! So Hatchback it is!!!
There's no awd so ill stick with the corolla
I wonder what’s the difference between this American specced Hybrid Civic when compared to the global Civic e:HEV model which has the 181hp system.
Not AWD ? Like the Corolla 🤔
The corolla eAWD is useless.
@@naveenthemachinein your menta|| illn€$$ 😂😂
Integra resale value just tanked due to this
I wonder if they put this hybrid in the HRV?
Waiting to see the 2025 mazda 3 then its gonna come down to camry/civic si/or mazda 3
Need plugin hybrid civic to compete with prius prime. Many are still holding on to their Honda Clarity phev.
No rear vents, charging ports and absent spare tire makes me say no. Great looking though.
Why the low profile tires? More likely to blow tires hitting potholes, worse ride, more expensive to replace. Greater profile handles well enough.
Yeah, that is a trend I don't understand nor am in favor of. Smaller wheel means improved ride qualities and higher fuel efficiency in exchange for looks (arguable) and marginal handling gains.
Agree. The LX will come with 16" or 17" wheels, but it you want to go hybrid or if you want ANY trim of the hatchback, you're stuck with the 18's. I guess their logic is that if you need a higher profile tire you'll buy a CR-V.
Kinda weird that Honda didn’t upgrade the LX and Sport to the 1.5 turbo engine.
There are no air vents or charge ports for my passenger & heated rear seats. I can't do another Honda when it comes to paying more for less.
I don't buy a financial argument for the rear vents. If they already designed the pieces, then it's only materials cost and that's only plastic. Personally I'd look into retrofitting them since there's clearly room for them.
The financial argument is if you want rear vents bad enough, you'll buy an Accord for more $$
Which is best? Led reflector or led projector lights?
As long as they offer small wheels (please stop the huge wheels trend), spare tire at a fair price it will be nice.
It’s official guys, the Si will be history 😢
I’m glad I bought my 11th gen!
@@amywhite8979 I’ve got a 10th gen Si. Gonna drive it till the wheels fall off!
What is the deal with Honda not putting in rear seat vents? That is so lame and greatly cheapens an otherwise very nice vehicle.
unfortunately that seems to be a trend for compact cars including the Corolla, prius, impreza and even the Crosstrek which is based on the impreza. i have rear vents on my limited legacy and believe me its huge in the summer. that is pne reason why i will most likely purchase a SE camry rather than the civic. sure i will lose a few mog, but i can live with that.
It’s not just Honda. A lot of companies have stopped doing rear vents
Most Civic owners don't have kids and rarely if ever will someone ride in the backseat. I don't have kids and no one ever rides in my backseat so I don't care about rear vents.
@@bitbat9 Well Toyota to their credit provided rear vents on all the Camry trims. its definitely required in bigger cars, maybe not for compact or sub compact vehicles, but i know that even in a Crosstrek (which is shorter than the legacy or camry) one needs it in the summer.
Rear vents are a must in Florida! I rarely have human passengers, but need my dogs to stay cozy.
the hatchback has 180hp on their web.. is that correct?
Do all dual clutch transmissions make subtle noises and can feel the shifting? Especially on hills, where it hunts for a gear? My Kia Niro PHEV does this and apparently this is normal? If so, what an awful engineering decision. Any insight would be nice. This car sounds great. Wish they would do a plugin version with more unique styling.
What does that mean for the Civic Si though? Will it get a bump in horsepower?
More power and torque and so much better on fuel economy than the Si? Makes the Si obsolete then lol
All I want is a Civic Hybrid that's very efficient at 75-80 MPH. I look forward to your high-speed MPG testing.
It's all engine at 70-80 mph. So not efficient compared to city.
@@tofubeanz To clarify, I'm talking about fuel efficiency at very high, sustained speeds, compared to other high-efficiency hybrids.
Unless they changed the hybrid system, you're not going to get it at those speeds. Better off saving the money and getting the ICE only versions that will get you similar highway fuel economy. I am not pleased with my highway fuel economy on our '23 Accord Touring Hybrid, but we do enough city driving to make it worthwhile.
It's gonna be relatively efficient, but not crazy like a diesel. In the 40 mpg range.
Front end kinda reminds me of the NXS Type S
Easily the best hybrid car for the money.
We have to help Alex! He's been trapped in the Honda Void! 🤣
I think that sport touring badge it’s a little too much looks out of place.
hmm will Ai now help improve hybrid systems and ev battery systems? 🤓
Ooof, the rear seat in that sedan looked flat, uncomfortable, and the material was a little wrinkled already?
Will there be an integra version of the hybrid?
Hmmm, no more 1.5 in the Civic, maybe that means they will use it in the HR-V now.
Beautiful car!
Did they improve the NVH at all?
They added noise canceling tech on the upper trims
And what transmission does it have? I didn't hear you mention it. Maybe I missed it. The Honda newsroom release also didn't mention the transmission. Must not be a feature.
E-CVT just like the Accord and CR-V. The name is deceiving since it's not really a CVT at all, but rather a clutch that switches between direct drive motor at low speeds to direct-drive engine at high speeds.
OTD prices will be on the same level as a much better Camry Hybrid
I cannot wait to snatch one of these up on the used market
I have been waiting for this car. HONDA
Unfortunately Honda need to follow legal laws and offer those good for nothing hybrid systems ! - Honda we want non hybrid civic with the 1.5T revised so no more oil dilution no more gasket problems , non more injector problems
Same with the Accord even the Grandmother new Camry is faster than the Hybrid Accord !!! We want the 2.0T Accord !!! Common !!!
The 2.0T/10 had a 5 percent take rate, so it was justifiably killed.
I think, for the first time, I actually want a Civic. Like you, Alex, I'd get the 5-door hatch. Absolutely love the practicality.
Serious question though: if Honda was tight-lipped about performance figures, were they the same way about the battery chemistry? Would it be reasonable to assume that if Honda is using the same powertrain from the CR-V and Accord, that the battery would be the same?
That hatchback is sexy AF!
Alot nicer front bumper.