I have owned Hondas for over 3 decades and last decade have owned Toyotas. By far, Toyotas ages more gracefully than Hondas. Toyotas also are annoyingly reliable. You will only sell your Toyota if you are bored with the vehicle…not because of quality issues.
By and large parts break-down in both and you have to spend the money on these services. Toyota to me ensures all the parts and systems are top notch whereas Honda does that only on major systems. Honda’s lower systems are designed to break and provide gravy to their shops.
I have only owned, invested, and maintained Toyota and Honda vehicles, over 200K mileage. The power train (stock engine) are very strong and reliable. Your domestic car makers all have engine problems before evening reaching 100k mileage. Crappy shitty imports like Kia and Hyundai , their engines fail at 60K and barely have any power and torque
Same. My family has owned Toyotas and Hondas all my life. I’ve always had civics since highschool. Looking to get my first Toyota Corolla hybrid after watching this channel. Love this guy.
Car Care Nut, you may be a mechanic by day, but i think you were born for RUclips / making educational videos. Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!!
After driving Fords most of my life, I bought a new 2017 Camry. Loved it! Traded it at 2 years for a new 2019 Camry Hybrid. Beautiful, great gas mileage no issues at all. Kept it 4 years. Got most of my money back when I traded it in after 4 years for the 2023 Toyota Crown Limited with Advanced Technology Package. It only comes in Hybrid. Awesome car! Sits higher than a standard sedan, love this! All the bells and whistles. The package gives me the panoramic camera that I must have for safety. Very smooth ride, smoother than my Camry's and they were great! Today I got 52.6 mpg. Avg is 42 mpg.
I learned to drive in a Toyota, then had a Ford... hated it for so many reasons. Fords felt 40 years behind, which is saying something, since I learned to drive in a 1990s Hilux.
Your ability to understand and explain mechanical engineering concepts in simple terms is just amazing to me, it's why this is my favorite car channel on youtube by far. Mad respect for all of you master techs out there
Wtf does master tech even mean? Perhaps you mean someone who has a functional understanding of vehicle electronic systems. In that case then, I must be a god-appointed-tech. I just love these terms ppl come up with to try and point out that someone who claims to be something is actually half-decent at it. I've lost all hope a long time back..
Great explanation on the differences. I own both Toyotas and Hondas and you nailed it. The Toyotas are more reliable but the Hondas are just better to drive and still pretty reliable. At least that's what I tell folks.
RAV 4 Hybrid 2018 4WD owner here. I swapped from a similar but 2WD RAV 4 to get Vehicle Stability Control and of course 4WD when needed. The 4WD model has 2 electric motors in addition to the 197HP petrol engine. When you floor it for a quick overtake etc, the car takes off like a rocket ! So very impressive. I love the built-in reliability and dependability of Toyota above all else and it would take a mountain to shift my love of this. Thanks for a great video AMD. You managed to explain the complex comparisons so clearly.
I'm an Insight owner and I average 47mpg, 470 mile per tank full, 10 gallon tank. I've driven Japanes cars for over 30 years now, I'm hooked on Honda but I do like the Toyotas and I've owned Nissans also. Either way the both are great and you do a great job on your channel.
I have a 2020 Honda Insight. I drive about 500-700 miles per week for work. Absolutely love it. The two motor hybrid system is amazing. I'll likely get another Honda for work again when this one is 5-6 years old. I currently have almost 70k on it with no issues at all. I really like the new CRV that is being discussed in this video. If they don't make a civic hybrid (to replace the discontinued Insight), then I'll likely get a CRV. I've never owned a Toyota, but I've considered them and may consider one instead of the Honda possibly. Either way, can't go wrong with either system. They both seem to be bulletproof. The Japanese vehicles are so refined and reliable. Great information here from one of the best car technicians on RUclips! Keep up the great work!
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
@@bubbame732 you got a great vehicle. My hybrid has been great. I usually average around 48mpg overall. It's too bad Honda discontinued my model. The CRV looks great in the new body style. Excellent choice!
@@darylhurlbut3473 yes...totally agree....only downer was the rearview mirror did not include Homelink, so I added it afterwards, (pricey) and also didn't realize the mirrors don't fold in. I have some small concerns about AMD mentioning carbon build-up because of the Direct Injection, so I am kicking around using premium gas on this 2.0 liter! Wife has a new Acura (Honda Mfg) MDX "Tech" Model, and gas mileage very poor, (V6) so if they come out with a Hybrid MDX, were gonna switch in a year or so!
@@n9athan I heard that. I'm looking forward to it. I just got a Hyundai Santa Cruz for my personal car, so my Insight wil need to go another 3 more years until 2026. Then I can get a new business car. I'm pretty sure the new Civic Hybrid will be what I get. Hondas are awesome and our nearest dealer is amazing. I watched a video on RUclips and the driver in europe said he was getting the equivalent of 60 mpg. My car is sometimes in that range, but overall im closer to 48. Still pretty good. And still possible that I may get a CRV Hybrid instead of the Civic. Honda just maes some of the best vehicles around. Hopefullly my Santa Cruz is able to pass the test of time. First time buying a Hyundai.....
Thank you for the great review. I have watched numerous RAV4 hybrid and CRV reviews. Most of them talk about superficial items. I've always appreciate your mechanical reviews and in-depth clarity on how systems work. Thank you again for all your great help in these reviews and explanations.
Some more details and corrections. This CR-V is the fourth generation of the Honda iMMD hybrid system; it has been around for nine years. The first generation was in the 2014-2015 Accord plug-in hybrid. The second was in the 2017 Accord (not a plug-in). The third was in the 2018-2022 Accord, 2019-2022 Insight, 2020-2022 CR-V, and 2018-2020 Clarity PHEV. Most of these generational changes involve improvements to the motors and engines. The only significant other changes are changing the arrangement of the two motors in the 2023 models, and the addition of a second fixed gear in the CRV only (so a better comparison to this Camry would be the 2023 Accord, with one fixed gear). The Toyota A25A-FXS engine is the hybrid's version of the A25A-FKS in the non-hybrid Camry. Both use elements of the Atkinson cycle, but the Hybrid uses it all of the time. Which transmission takes the "simpler route" is a matter of interpretation. Toyota's planetary gearset needs a complicated control electronics, that has to choose between three main propulsion modes that are very different. So the rpm control of the three devices (ICE, MG1, MG2) has to be guided carefully through transition to avoid a hiccup in the propulsion. The Honda is essentially an EV that is usually powered by the motor alone; the only difference from a true BEV is that a generator provides most of the juice. And just like a BEV, the only moving transmission part in this mode, other than the engine and motors, is a single reduction gear. The advantage is that the engine almost never has to run outside of its most efficient setting. The disadvantage, especially in high-power situations, is that it has to convert all power between mechanical and electrical form, twice. So for highway cruising -NOT WHEN "TAKING OFF" AS TCCN SUGGESTS - it skips most of that conversion by closing a clutch. This makes a direct, overdrive connection. Yes, this needs a clutch and a solenoid, but it is not (imo) as complicated as the Car Care Nut makes it out to be. And all it adds to that set of moving parts is the clutch and one overdrive gear. (The CR-V has two sets, but only one is engaged at a time.) But now, all of the transitions between modes can be accomplished in the portions of the transmission that are not connected to the wheels. None of the delays or shifts that TCCN suggests actually exist. Nor do the risks of failure; the part are there, but the conditions that might cause failure in them are not.
I got a 15 Prius with over 120k miles. Zero issues whatsoever. Low maintenance & great mpg. Best thing I like about my Prius is that it's made in Japan.
Another great video! I imagine the majority of your viewers own Toyotas and Hondas so it's really great to see how the design/engineering compares overall.
I own a Honda Clarity Plug In Hybrid and I will say I absolutely love the fact that the engine can ran as simply a generator, and not as a drive motor. Makes the experience driving much smoother, and as you put it, refined. Being born and raised with German cars, the driving experience has always been important to me. That has always been one of my "Why don't they design it this way" thoughts of hybrid systems, and one thing I gave GM huge credit for, for actually designing a system that way. Diesel locomotives have been that way for 100 years, why not passenger vehicles.
My cousin has a 2023 CRV Hybrid and it was insane how fuel efficient it was. Of course, it got the best MPG for in town driving and all that, but held its own for long distances too. You can't go wrong with the new Honda hybrids for sure. Has this nice shuttle like sound too and it's super quiet for the most part.
We have a 2019 Honda Indsight Touring. We almost always beat the EPA mileage. It does have a noticeable lag at start, especially since we use eco mode which exaggerates that.
As usual , a very professional appraisal of the two vehicles. You certainly know your stuff and provide comment which is very fair to both manufacturers. Very interesting to hear your opinions.
As a Toyota fan and owner, i have huge respect for the japanese sibling. They are both quality cars. I prefer the slight utilitarian dullnes of the Toyota over the Honda techy video game character, but that's just a matter of taste. I'm glad both are still putting out great cars. Now, why anyone would buy a german car over these...
If you have tons of money to keep your BMW, Porsche- Audi and Mercedes on their toes why not, they are very good cars with high standards and very high reselling values, plus its prestige. I think (proper) german car owners buy those cars because of these factors, the way I heard german cars are also reliable but you have to be precise with their maintenance, and have a wallet big enough to keep it up.
@@ezustnyil8414 yes, they are mainly symbolic articulations of prestige. And of course, historically they have had the upper hand when it comes to interactive material quality, driving dynamics and comfort. However, the last generations of Japanese (and Korean) cars have completely diminished those gaps in my opinion. Everything has gotten more generic by all means, but it has become clear that the rest of the car industry can do what the Germans have done, while maintaining higher quality, reliability and longevity.
@@Buffalobulltofta Good in theory but not in reality. VW/Audi, BMW, and Mercedes place a priority on comfort first and then driving dynamics. They achieve it while the Japanese and Koreans make attempts which often miss. It is not a hit or miss with BMW. They hit the targets.
@@jamesmedina2062 they also hit back to the dealer 5 times in the first year of it's life. That's just statistics, in reality. Historically you are right, things have changed the last couple of years however. I've owned a bunch of contemporary BMW's (and even more unfortunate, Audis) and still drive them all the time for work, it gets old. And foremost, they have completely lost their distinction.
@@Buffalobulltofta I agree, but not everyone, the best example is how the car community is divided by their needs, for example many people claim that Lexus's luxury and high end sport cars are less "power" and "practicality" for the money than a porsche or other german high end sport cars, but I believe true luxury and fun is the lower amount of time your cars needs to spend in a dealership. Plus many cars drives differently, as a Japanese car owner I respect their power, I know a BMW or an Audi will accelarate faster or achieve higher speed, but when the corner is coming I know its my turn, all of these cars have their places and their ownder types, only the needs and the amount of money is different.
Just recently made my own comparison between Rav4 Hybrid and CRV Hybrid. And I chose the Rav4. It felt stronger, better acceleration, less road noise and rattling, better feeling seats, better storage space for how I use it. And a real spare tire. And I’m loving the vehicle. 45.3 mpg over 7500 miles of driving. And I’ve owned many Honda vehicles, traded from a HRV. This is my second Toyota, first was 1994. Very happy with my decision. Thanks for being the best car channel on utube.
Just purchased a '24 CR-V Sport L (hybrid) after driving the whole segment, including the Korean and American vehicles. Honda drove FAR quieter (used NIOSH app on my smart phone to document cabin noise in both--not close) at all but take off speeds, was more refined inside and out and felt more solidly planted on the road than the RAV4. To boot, it has better availability and thus a lower real world price tag as well, which is huge. There have to be new cars on the lot, not just on factory order, or nobody's having a driving experience at all! Toyota's struggling with that right now, unfortunately. I understand the compromises/potential vulnerabilities with the Honda transmission (although there were some inaccuracies presented), braking and AWD systems, but I chose to prioritize the every day driving experience over potential maintenance issues in the distant future. If we wanted strictly reliable cars, they would be extremely crude, uncomfortable, unwieldy, unsafe and underpowered. That's not for me. I'll enjoy pleasant driving today and deal with any potential reliability issues (and with Honda, those are not a given by any stretch) when and if they occur. I totally understand a RAV4 purchaser's laser focus on reliability and all things practical, like a donut spare. I wish I could have that cake as well, but I'm too busy over here eating my driving experience cake. 😁
Replacement occurs well after 100,000 miles. A friend who works at a music store with help from his high school son replaced his gen 2 Prius battery in an afternoon. The rebuilt battery was $2000, including shipping of the replacement and the returned core. Old batteries are too valuable for the landfill.
Thank you for your expertise information. I am a commuter, and based on your review, I will go with the Toyota hybrid for practicality and long term reliability. Thank you👍
Great to see Honda vs Toyota alive and well. Basically hybrid = Japanese do it better. I’d personally have a little more confidence in the Toyota system for long term ownership mainly due to their experience but good to see its close. Toyota 5th generation hybrid sounds like a very mature development to the next level. I remember when you compared the Hyundai system, not impressed with that one.
I literally watch every one of your videos from beginning to end because I love learning. With that said you still haven’t convinced me to buy a hybrid. For as long as I can I will buy only a gas powered engine. And for as long as I can I will buy only a naturally aspirated engine. I own a 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring and I hope that car last forever. That 3.5 L V6 is the most enjoyable motor I’ve ever had in a vehicle.
Recently purchased a 23 Rav4 Hybrid (Woodland trim!) and am loving the ride. It is very smooth from a stop. The transition to ICE is subtle and I hardly notice it, even as someone who has not had a hybrid before. The AWD system is surprisingly nice. There's ample videos showing how capable it truly is! Your videos helped a lot in making my decision and also showed me the ways to make this a LONG term vehicle
Same boat… and bought the Woodland as well (loved those bronze wheels and trees since the press release came out). I’ve had both a Honda (first car) and a Toyota. Toyota lasted 16 years, hopefully the woodland lasts at least 12-15 years or longer.
Watching your videos makes me appreciate the amount of research and development that has gone into these modern hybrid cars. I am due to take delivery of a new Toyota Carolla 1.8 Excel (UK spec) soon and feel very reasured after seeing the technology that has been built into the vehicle.
Great comparison. It's amazing to me after all the great detailed information you provided here, that comments show so many people still don't completely understand what you explained so clearly.
I so enjoyed this video presentation of these two automotive giants. The way you explained the systems differences and similarities were carefully and professionally presented which added my understanding. I consider myself much more informed because of your grasp of the mechanical complexities of these companies offerings, your pleasant delivery, and the smooth "Hollywood" quality cinematography. You brought your "A" game as usual my friend. Thank you.
I agree . The DRONE part confused me . Does he mean that the transmission is loud ? I find that the most noise comes from the tires related to types of surfaces. And some wind noise at higher speeds . The engine and exhaust can get loud at higher RPM but, that is to be expected. YOUR THOUGHTS Dan .
As a technician Toyota is the gold standard in hybrid technology no one else especially Hyundai and Kia has never been close to Toyota reliability and longevity and they have perfected their hybrid technology for more than 25 years.
My wife gets about 33 mpg on her daily 45 mile round trip to work in our 2017 CR-V EX-L. It has the 1.5L turbo and CVT - we both love it! (72,000 miles). Don't really feel the need for a hybrid right now, but this was VERY informative for a possible future purchase!!
I have a 2017 crv ex 167000 miles was rear ended and fixed properly. Drives like new still. I will drive it till the wheels fall off but Im looking at this videos for future purchase.
Excellent video! Thanks for this. I have been in the market to replace my 18 year old Honda Element and test drove both the CR-V Hybrid and RAV4 hybrid. Liked them both. Excellent vehicles.
Bought a Hybrid Highlander last year and love it. I was torn between Sienna and Highlander since we are not a big family after watching your Q&As (btw… I miss those vids). Love the 34 MPG and luxury like features and smooth ride. Because of the supply issues, I was willing to try Hyundai Palisade and Acura MDX, it I’m glade I got The Highlander 😊
I love Hondas man, that is been my main car for my somewhat short time on earth. Ive owned one 4th gen accord MT 270000 miles all stock and 3 6th gen accords, one V6 and 2 4Cyl 5MT, I will always love my Hondas if I havent made it clear, but TOYODA will ALWAYS be king in reliability
mr. Car Care Nut, I've been following all your videos for a long time, it has taught me about engine maintenance & making good car choices. this comparison video has been, by far, my favourite! always wanted to know the mechanical breakdown on both their hybrid systems, Im glad I saw this video!
Ahmed can you plss compare both naturally aspirated engine and turbofied engine in one of your next videos id really love to hear it from someone like you since your such an expert in explaining this stuff and i love watching your videos it really feels simple and not thst hard to understand what your saying man!
I've been very happy with my 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid. Currently at 147k miles, so far only scheduled maintenance and tires. Still get high 40's MPG in temperate weather.
@@Hellocali1 I can’t think of any car where the only maintenance is oil changes and tires. In my opinion, vehicles last a lot longer when you do all of the scheduled maintenance. It isn’t too often, but yes, I’ve had transmission fluid changed a few times, brake fluid, spark plugs, valve adjustment, coolant flush. Still not too bad though price wise to make sure my Accord Hybrid lasts a long time.
@@Hellocali1 I hope you are lucky then. Not performing the other maintenance may end up biting you in the ass if you keep that car, or are you getting rid of it for a CRV?
Probably the best two-car comparison I've ever seen - great job, superb. You are definitely the RUclips go-to guy for car reviews that thoroughly explore engineering and quality. I've learned in the last couple of years that, whatever other reviews I'm reading for reliability, etc., such as Consumer Reports, nothing comes close to the Car Care Nut for informative insight that provides a solid basis for making a decision - always without favoritism or pulling punches. Many thanks for your great service to the public!
This video provides a well thought through comparison of all the key hybrid systems so a consumer can really understand the differences between these vehicles. Thank you for providing this informed perspective. Well done!
It actually presents a one-sided comparison based on preconceived ideas that are not present in the Honda system. One example, at 9:35, is "The Honda side ... because you have these two clutches it actually shifts like a car. Not like an 8-speed transmission but you feel physical shifts and then ... in between them they put the mimicked shifts." And again at 10:27 "When you take off [from a stop] this one will be laggy because it's still trying to decide which clutch to get. There is a slight delay until things get get going because you have clutches, Hydraulics that need to engage to get going so you will notice that you're driving this at a slower speed it's perfectly smooth then you accelerate there's a few second delay until it actually engages." This is completely wrong, and shows where AMD has inserted his preconceived ideas. First off, only the CR-V has two clutches. They both are intended for the same purpose, one while towing and one while not towing. Second, the clutches have nothing to do with the mimicked shifts, and in fact are only used a constant cruising speeds. So first I'll just describe a one clutch system, like the Accord and Civic have. The clutch only closes above about 40 mph. Below that speed, the car is driven exclusively by the traction motor, powered by a combination of the battery and the engine-driven generator. It really is an EV in this mode, with no possibility of the lags and delays that AMD describes. In this mode the engine will be operating at its most efficient power level, which is more then the car needs for cruising. So the electronics will pull some power out of the electricity stream to charge the battery. If acceleration is needed, it will add some from the battery. Mimicked shifts are accomplished by altering the balance of engine and battery power, not with the clutches. The car will only "decide to get" the clutch once you settle into a cruise above 40 mph. The engine will slow down to exactly match the car's speed without interrupting the power sent to the motor, and the clutch will close. Then the engine's power will be diverted from the generator to the wheels, WITH NO LAG, DELAY, OR "SLIGHT JERK." The driver will have no idea this is happening unless (s)he is watching certain displays. Just like cruising with the clutch open, the engine will be producing too much power. The excess will still charge the battery, but now the traction motor will be generating the electricity (just like with regen braking). When the battery has enough charge, the clutch will open just as seamlessly and the car will go into battery-only operation. The reason the CR-V adds a second clutch is because the engine may not be able to over-produce in this situation while towing. Since it is necessary that it do so, the second clutch matches higher engine speeds (i.e., more power) with lower car speeds. This is why it is called a "low-speed clutch."
I have lots of experience with both brands, in the past and in the present. Both are excellent, you can't go wrong with either one. Remember, Honda is still the largest engine manufacture in the world. Thank you for the video but when I test drove a recent CRV hybrid I found no lag what so ever. Interesting you did though.
I really don't think he did. He misunderstands how the clutch is used, and imagines it must have a lag based on that misunderstanding. He thinks this system has to engage a clutch (around 8:30) to accelerate, after "deciding" which to use. That's where his imaginary lag is. The truth is that the clutch disengages, when that happens, with no lag. The choice of which is predetermined by speed, in low-power situations. Any "lag" would be between two cruising modes, and so will not be felt.
Great video as I always expect from you AMD! Only one thing I would change...the comparison should have been between two SUV's not between a sedan and an SUV. Perhaps this Honda CRV vs Toyota RAV4? There would be a difference in ride and driving/handling between a sedan and an SUV. There are differences between a sedan and an SUV in terms of weight and wheelbase, both of which make for differences in handling, acceleration and braking. Keep these great videos coming AMD! I thoroughly them.
We thank you Master Mechanic. The Car Care Nut, your video is very exceptional, others RUclips had discussed Toyota Hybrid XLE versus Hybrid Honda, you had gone over how each engine performed. The details are very helpful to the consumers to select the right car for them. This is a great video.
As a Honda CR-V owner/fanboy, I love your channel and appreciate the overall knowledge I get from watching your videos. Your breakdown here is amazing. I am 3000 miles into a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid and it does drive like a dream. While Honda may not have as much hybrid history as Toyota, I felt very confident with my decision to purchase and remain so after watching your comparison. Thank you for the details.
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
This was so useful and informative! I have a 2020 MDX hybrid - the last year they had the hybrid option. I have been feeling a little guilt6 about the purchase because my husband is a die-hard utilitarian Toyota fan. But the hybrid MDX is just so nice to drive! Speedy and maneuverable for a 3-row SUV, quiet, comfortable, doesn’t have that unpleasant CVT feel. I do notice the transmission lag you mentioned, but we are used to it now. I just hope it’s reliable and lasts a long time. It seems very complicated! I will say that the infotainment isn’t great and I wish there were more old-fashioned buttons for the heat and stereo. Mazda is smart to be keeping those.
I have one too. It is a different system than the CRV hybrid described. I don’t experience the transmission lag in sport plus mode which is my primary mode.
Well-done AMD! I don't always listen to AMD discuss Toyotas and Hondas or anything Automotive but when I do my neighbors do too.... loud and proud on my system. I'm always curious about the reliability issues of the car as a whole and of the subsystems. Infrequently, you do not find a reviewer get into the nuts and bolts and discuss the intricacies of the pros and the cons. Rather they just talk about the styling, the MPGs, performance, the way it drives or this or that. While that certainly has its place nothing can take the place of inside knowledge on the way things work and how they will last for our hard-earned money. Keep 'em coming!
I often heard about "CVT droning". This is often shown when someone "floors it" to accelerate aggressively during a drive to demonstrate it. The reality is, when you are driving it normally, you'll never notice it since the eCVT will always keep the engine RPMs in the most efficient range. If you floor it, you are asking the vehicle for maximum power, which is achieved at the engine's peak power range (likely in the 4500 RPM range). In a vehicle with a conventional transmission, the gears would allow the engine to get up that speed, but then a shift do the next gear would drop it down to (example) 3000 RPM and the engine has to get back up to 4500 again. An eCVT simply adjusts the ratios so the engine can get to 4500 RPM (very quickly) then adjusts the ratios to keep the engine speed there as the speed increases, maximizing power, acceleration and efficiency. One really nice thing about the eCVT is the smooth driving characteristics if provides. There is no "shifting" so you don't get that "bump" you normally get during a gear change. I have a Toyota Hybrid and love it. It's very fuel efficient and one of the reasons I bought it was the bulletproof reliability they are known for. In the nice weather, my Venza can get high 4s in the city (50 mpg). If you rev the engine really high, it's not the best sounding, but that's not because it isn't a good engine (it is), it's a larger displacement (2.5L) engine that also runs on the Atkinson cycle (at 14:1 compression). It's designed to maximize efficiency, not set lap times at your drag strip (although, it is peppy if you stomp it).
You hit the head on the nail there jeffer! You are 100 % right,I agree,I find it very smooth unless you are really heavy footed,then yes there is a definite drone! If you normally drive with a heavy foot to notice the drone often,you have to question weather it would be beneficial to have a hybrid,not sure that you would gain enough efficiency to pay for the extra cost. Excellent explanation jeffer!
I have never driven a cvt or ecvt one false thing about the "bump" is that is a manual only thing. automatics dont have that. most you will notice is a dip in rpm follow by rapid rise. Even when floored all i hear is the engine going from super quiet to low screams and alot of wind noise. now if you drive a manual this is very noticeable but only when the clutch is engaged and gear is changing. You will also see the car jerk during gear change. Automatics are smooth as butter. And only slightly worse mpg than manuals.
Not only are CVTs and eCVTs two totally different things, but eCVTs are three or four totally different things all by themselves. It's a marketing term that doesn't refer to anything in reality except the presence of at least one electric motor. The video explained in some detail that the two "eCVTs" he's looking at aren't even remotely similar in mechanics or driving characteristics. Your experience with your Toyota doesn't tell you anything about either CVTs or the transmissions in other automakers' hybrids.
@@moarsaur Toyota's eCVT is just a planetary gear set. It's the best system out there. I'm not sure who else uses it. It seems to be relatively uncommon but it is the most reliable system. Some other brands use conventional automatics, some use belt or chain driven CVTs, Toyota uses a planetary gear set.
Nice comparison. I had no choice, in 2022 we didn’t have a hybrid CRV(Canada). , But very happy with my Rav. I’d still pick Rav. Seems like less to maintain, and Toyota has been making hybrids a long time.
Even for 2023 choice in Canada is no better. CRV Hybrid exists only in one trim for 51+K. In the same time there is plenty of Rav4 Hybrid options from 38K to 49K.
The RAV is nice if you hate headroom everywhere and legroom in the back. The RAV is a "tell me you're short without telling me you're short," kind of deal.
Thank You SO VERY MUCH for the Explanation of the Hybrid's 😊❤ engine's 🎉 I wish more mechanics would Talk about the systems in greater depth, like yourself 😊❤
As a Aircraft Mechanic , I really appreciate your evaluations and style . Keep these coming and add more vehicles . I really like / wanted this kinda driveline evaluations . Thanks
Volt was a GREAT CAR. I sold mine with 219,000mi and it was running very well. Battery was 75% capacity vs new. Only a single drive system repair required during that time.
I've owned a dozen Hondas and a few Toyotas. Both are excellent. I also do all my own mechanical work as well. I find that I find things I love, and things I don't about both of them. Hondas seemed to be more fun to drive than Toyotas. Toyotas tend to be more straightforward than Honda, but Hondas are really well-engineered and they seem to understand that someday someone will be working on it. You can't go wrong with either brand.
@@rc666 I've only owed 60s VWs. The rust issue has gotten better since the 90s. I treat my cars with Fluid Film every year and rust isn't a problem anymore. I live in the rust belt, so I know how bad rust can be.
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
Hondas are better than Toyota s for sure, but their prices are getting ridiculous. Imagine spending $34,000 for 1.5L T Honda Civic. Where I'm currently living the civic costs $34,000 and this is not an SI, just a normal 1.5L Civic
I'm three days into a '21 Accord Hybrid -- did not think I'd like the lane keeping at all, but it's great! Haven't tried the adaptive cruise yet. Still feeling out the paddles... cool for regen and saving the brakes, but weird that I'm in charge of that part of the operation. Reset the trip meter for my commute to and from work today, and I was dead on 40mpg, mostly stop-and-go with a short stretch of highway.
Another great review. I'm generally a Toyota Hybrid fan and my daughter is a Honda Hybrid buff. Looks like we both came out winners. Best wishes for a happy holiday season and a healty and prosperous new year.
if we are being completely objective toyotas have the more efficient and reliable drivetrain, as well as superior built quality. but hondas are a lot more engaging and fun to drive which can mostly be attributed to the superior dual cam system (VTEC), but also better fuel injection and the dual clutch 2 speed cvt system among a few other things. honda also have much more modern interiors and they arent afraid to experiment and try risky things with their cars as much as toyota.
I am a real Honda driver. Drove a honda shuttle for 464000 km. Now a 2007 CRV with already 370000km. My WiFi drives a 2019 CRV hybrid. Love all three of them. ☺️
I’m in the UK and been thinking of selling my 92k mile CRV AWD 2.2 diesel for a Toyota CHR. We have so much rubbish over here with ULEZ (ultra low emission zone that’s in London and set to spread like a cancer). I think you’ve convinced me to buy the Honda. Not least because of its combined 42mpg, strong performance and 50mpg on the motorway/freeway…!!!!
What an outstanding overview of Toyota vs Honda corporate ethos. Thank you! Your channel stands out from the rest. We are currently shopping for a RAV hybrid and considering the CRV Hybrid also. Both excellent vehicles. Hyundai is out the window on reliability and stone age architecture. Leaning towards the Toyota, to replace our 2012 Lexus CT200h.
My wife and I have been driving Hondas for 15+ years and decided to replace the Civic this year. In doing my research I was impressed with the Honda implementation of this generation hybrid system so went to the dealer and drove the Accord and CR-V Hybrid Touring models. Seeing that Lexus had a similar system I also drove the ES300h (yes, I realize it's not exactly the same class of car but the hybrid systems are) which also went well. All the cars had good drivability and I didn't notice any objectionable quirks; there was nothing about the driving experience that excluded any of them. In the end I went with the Lexus and will be taking delivery of it tomorrow. This video was extremely helpful in assessing the technical pros and cons of both hybrid systems; the lack of clutches and simplicity of the Lexus system was kind of a tipping point for me. Thank you for providing a thorough and objective comparison of these two systems.
Hi AMD, Thank you for this thorough weighing of the differences between the two hybrid systems. Another ‘reliability’ factor that really plays big time in choosing a vehicle, that IS outside the drivetrain, by absolutely KEY for longevity and cost effectiveness in the ‘northern and Midwest parts of the country. Corrosion resistance. Blessed salt keeps the roadways de-iced, but EATS car body and chassis’s. I had a 2006 IMA Civic that I loved dearly, but road salt loved the rear wheel wells and rocker panels badly by 2011 (5-6 years). My son’s 2007 Camry has only recently started to show off bad corrosion (15 years). Thanks for any info you may have about the company’s priorities for quality/build resisting rust!!
Great video but there's a use case angle here that's been missed, and it concerns fuel economy. Honda's series-hybrid approach delivers significant benefits in 25-55mph driving, but their fixed clutches make for excessive RPM compared to Toyota at 70mph and up, with the engine being manacled to the higher speed clutch at a fixed ratio about 50mph and up as opposed to Toyota's CVT adjusting RPM down at high speed whenever it can. This produces some quirks in reviews -- for example the Consumer Reports test is very heavy on 25-55 mph driving and so Honda hybrid fuel economy comes out looking good in a CR test. I'd absolutely favor Toyota as a 70mph-plus freeway cruiser; also for high-intensity city driving given the durability issues raised in this video. But Honda could be a very good suburban commuter in the US or rural secondary roads driver in Europe.
In Europe taxation (at buying stage and monthly) is often done on engine volume. Therefore a 2.0 system makes a whole lot more sense. Performance is about the same unless you want to race on the German autobahn, you'll be doing 120-130 kmh (75-80mph) on the highway and 18 to 30 in the cities. It's why the 1.5 liter engines are popular. Fuel economy of the 1.5 also counts of course. Anyways, in Europe i drive a 2.4 liter which often raises eyebrows, while abroad i have my land cruiser 200 which they don't even sell in the EU as taxes would go through the roof.
@@ryanllts NY Thruway speed limit is 65, as is the limit on parts of many expressways in NY. State Troopers will rarely pull you over for under 75 (if not 80.) Traffic in many places moves faster than 70.
The fixed gear ratio is slightly faster than top gear of the 6-speed manual. Extra torque from the electric motor may be needed to accelerate when the gear is engaged.
The way you explain everything in your videos is commendable. Especially the way you explain it in fashion that the novice can understand. You sir are legendary in the world of RUclips reviews. I only hope that you do not sell your self to a company that is willing to use you for promotion of their vehicles and thus not providing the world with unbiased review. Thank you!
Great analysis as usual. One thing that I have seen in other reviews. The Toyota (RAV4 vs CRV) is more efficient under load (high speed>70 MPH or going up mountains). At low speeds the Honda may do a little better. This comes from the Toyota transmission keeping the engine at top efficiency.
Honda Clarity was, and is still the best plug-in hybrid. The engineers were seriously out to build the best non compact hybrid sedan. However, Honda wasn't serious about marketing it. You couldn't even find it on their website home page. It is closest to a full electric vehicle without the full EV downside. Great channel and content.
THANKS You're really making me feel good about buying my 2020 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I got a lot of negative comments about what I got and why I got it but you're presentation said I made the right choice say back then. I still love my Camry Hybrid to this day. thanks!
I have been buying Toyotas since 1980 with the latest being a 2022 Camry LE Hybrid. It is my first hybrid and I have no regrets. Easily has a driving range of over 600 miles with the small 13 gallon tank and is just as comfortable as my 2017 gas Camry but with more power if I need it. I hear people say that they would never buy a hybrid because there are two systems to have problems instead of one engine. I just smile knowing that I made the right decision.
I have the 2023 CRV sport touring and can categorically state that there is not a few-second delay when accelerating quickly, it is immediate. My experience is the 184 HP electric motor is doing all the initial acceleration, and the gas engine only is spinning the second motor to recharge the battery. The clutch engages the gas motor to drive in certain high-speed and towing situations but not for general acceleration. The gear shifts that are heard are simulated and not the result of the clutch kicking in.
I have the CRV Touring Hybrid as well…the acceleration is immediate and the gas engine kicks in afterward. The vehicle is quite a nice vehicle compared to the RAV4 which is not as comfortable, not as quiet, not as sporty, etc
I just bought the Civic Hybrid and the clutch(es) only engage when you’re cruising. Once you floor it the clutch disengages and the motor is driving. CRV has a low range clutch and a high range. Civic and Accord only have 1 clutch.
Great video. My Nissan was totally wrecked by a Toyota Corolla, which didn't get a dent. After that accident, I went all the way with Toyota (truck, 4runner, Corolla, Sienna, Prius, Prius Prime). My sister followed me with Toyota (Camry, Rav4, High Lander). My brother went with Honda (Civic, Accord, pilot, Odyssey). After few years, he traded his Odyssey for SUV Lexus. My 2006 Sienna still doing well today over 300K mileages. When price is right, I like to get the hybrid Sienna. My kids love the both of the Prius and Prius prime though.
WOW! What a wonderful video, Pointing out the differences between the two hybrids. You certainly know what you are talking about when it comes to vehicles! I have watched many of your videos, and you are definitely one of the better technicians when it comes to understanding and the explanation of how things work. I do appreciate all the hard work and especially the time you take to produce these videos! Thanks for putting this information out so we can get better understandings of how things work!!
we have had our 2012 Lexus RX450H hybrid for 10 years and 240,000 miles...Zero issues, just oil changes and tires... Just bought another 2013 RX450h, 70K miles and giving the 2012 to our 16 year old daughter... The 450h are reliable tanks...LOL
And by understanding all the ways he misrepresented the Honda, I'm glad I purchased that one. The explanation is clear, but misinformed. For example, and yes I can back this up, the Toyota has more history of clutch failures than the Honda. Hybrids don't attach an ICE to the wheels without a fail-safe device in case one changes speed suddenly. It's called a torque damper, or clutch damper, and is attached to the flywheel in both these cars. It is a permanently-applied clutch that will "slip" a little in those circumstances. And they occur regularly in the Toyota, when the engine starts. MG1 "pushes" on the ICE through this clutch to start it. (More accurately, it stops pushing against MG2 and the wheels as much, so they shift to pushing the ICE). The Honda never starts the ICE when connected to the motor and wheels, and only operates its clutch when the computer determines that rpm are matched.)
Excellent comparison but for me, I prefer the Honda AWD mechanical system - feels more normal and behaves more like what you would expect on slippery roads.
I have owned Hondas for over 3 decades and last decade have owned Toyotas. By far, Toyotas ages more gracefully than Hondas. Toyotas also are annoyingly reliable. You will only sell your Toyota if you are bored with the vehicle…not because of quality issues.
By and large parts break-down in both and you have to spend the money on these services. Toyota to me ensures all the parts and systems are top notch whereas Honda does that only on major systems. Honda’s lower systems are designed to break and provide gravy to their shops.
I have only owned, invested, and maintained Toyota and Honda vehicles, over 200K mileage. The power train (stock engine) are very strong and reliable. Your domestic car makers all have engine problems before evening reaching 100k mileage. Crappy shitty imports like Kia and Hyundai , their engines fail at 60K and barely have any power and torque
Same. My family has owned Toyotas and Hondas all my life. I’ve always had civics since highschool. Looking to get my first Toyota Corolla hybrid after watching this channel. Love this guy.
Honda transmission is garbage 🗑️
100% total DIY buzz kill, I know I got 2 Camrys and work on my friends Hondas more than family Toyotas 😂
My car is Toyota, my motorcycle is Honda. Both great Japanese engineering. Very informative content. Thank you all at TCCN TV.
Me also.
now that you mention it, why doesn't toyota have bikes
nice combination
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My television is Panasonic.
And my rice cooker is Hitachi.
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Car Care Nut, you may be a mechanic by day, but i think you were born for RUclips / making educational videos. Great explanations, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!!
Exactly, it's not a ''nut'' it's a teacher for us all.
After driving Fords most of my life, I bought a new 2017 Camry. Loved it! Traded it at 2 years for a new 2019 Camry Hybrid. Beautiful, great gas mileage no issues at all. Kept it 4 years. Got most of my money back when I traded it in after 4 years for the 2023 Toyota Crown Limited with Advanced Technology Package. It only comes in Hybrid. Awesome car! Sits higher than a standard sedan, love this! All the bells and whistles. The package gives me the panoramic camera that I must have for safety. Very smooth ride, smoother than my Camry's and they were great! Today I got 52.6 mpg. Avg is 42 mpg.
But since that car is more expensive than a Camry, you really don’t “save money “ on gas until many years have gone by….
I'm envious right now. Looky guy.
Buy a 2024 Toyota Venza before gone. I just purchased one few days ago and love it. Very nice interiors and stylish.
The new crown is very nice, great buy 👌🏼
I learned to drive in a Toyota, then had a Ford... hated it for so many reasons. Fords felt 40 years behind, which is saying something, since I learned to drive in a 1990s Hilux.
This is the holygrail explanation! RUclips should award this for quality. Owesome!!!
Your ability to understand and explain mechanical engineering concepts in simple terms is just amazing to me, it's why this is my favorite car channel on youtube by far. Mad respect for all of you master techs out there
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Wtf does master tech even mean? Perhaps you mean someone who has a functional understanding of vehicle electronic systems. In that case then, I must be a god-appointed-tech. I just love these terms ppl come up with to try and point out that someone who claims to be something is actually half-decent at it. I've lost all hope a long time back..
@@HristovRumen you need help!!
@@bolt-212 can you help me? 😆
The way he explained the ecvt transmissions were not just confusing but also wrong. I don't see him deserving a praise in this regard
Great explanation on the differences. I own both Toyotas and Hondas and you nailed it. The Toyotas are more reliable but the Hondas are just better to drive and still pretty reliable. At least that's what I tell folks.
I agree with that, I’d also add Hondas in general are nicer looking cars, That new CRV hybrid is a home run for styling IMO
@@coastalhillbilly3419”nicer looking”?? you got some weird priorities
@@sethtenrec how about not as fugly?
@@coastalhillbilly3419 I’ll keep that in mind next time I want to mount a car on the wall in my living room.
@@sethtenrec
Funny but sad truth is, "it costs the same to make a good looking car as it does an ugly one"
This is THE BEST automotive channel in RUclips. Period.
Scotty kilmer.
RAV 4 Hybrid 2018 4WD owner here. I swapped from a similar but 2WD RAV 4 to get Vehicle Stability Control and of course 4WD when needed. The 4WD model has 2 electric motors in addition to the 197HP petrol engine. When you floor it for a quick overtake etc, the car takes off like a rocket ! So very impressive. I love the built-in reliability and dependability of Toyota above all else and it would take a mountain to shift my love of this. Thanks for a great video AMD. You managed to explain the complex comparisons so clearly.
Excellent video Ahmed. Informative, unbiased, no BS, straight to the point. Keep the quality content coming.
I'm an Insight owner and I average 47mpg, 470 mile per tank full, 10 gallon tank. I've driven Japanes cars for over 30 years now, I'm hooked on Honda but I do like the Toyotas and I've owned Nissans also. Either way the both are great and you do a great job on your channel.
I bet all Honda owners wish they had a @The Honda Care Nut! I swear, there needs to be one of you for every manufacturer!!!
ETCG for ya. He closed his shop and could reopen it soon
I have a 2020 Honda Insight. I drive about 500-700 miles per week for work. Absolutely love it. The two motor hybrid system is amazing. I'll likely get another Honda for work again when this one is 5-6 years old. I currently have almost 70k on it with no issues at all. I really like the new CRV that is being discussed in this video. If they don't make a civic hybrid (to replace the discontinued Insight), then I'll likely get a CRV. I've never owned a Toyota, but I've considered them and may consider one instead of the Honda possibly. Either way, can't go wrong with either system. They both seem to be bulletproof. The Japanese vehicles are so refined and reliable. Great information here from one of the best car technicians on RUclips! Keep up the great work!
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
@@bubbame732 you got a great vehicle. My hybrid has been great. I usually average around 48mpg overall. It's too bad Honda discontinued my model. The CRV looks great in the new body style. Excellent choice!
@@darylhurlbut3473 yes...totally agree....only downer was the rearview mirror did not include Homelink, so I added it afterwards, (pricey) and also didn't realize the mirrors don't fold in. I have some small concerns about AMD mentioning carbon build-up because of the Direct Injection, so I am kicking around using premium gas on this 2.0 liter! Wife has a new Acura (Honda Mfg) MDX "Tech" Model, and gas mileage very poor, (V6) so if they come out with a Hybrid MDX, were gonna switch in a year or so!
@@darylhurlbut3473they discontinued the Insight, but it will be replaced by the civic hybrid which is basically the same car.
@@n9athan I heard that. I'm looking forward to it. I just got a Hyundai Santa Cruz for my personal car, so my Insight wil need to go another 3 more years until 2026. Then I can get a new business car. I'm pretty sure the new Civic Hybrid will be what I get. Hondas are awesome and our nearest dealer is amazing. I watched a video on RUclips and the driver in europe said he was getting the equivalent of 60 mpg. My car is sometimes in that range, but overall im closer to 48. Still pretty good. And still possible that I may get a CRV Hybrid instead of the Civic. Honda just maes some of the best vehicles around. Hopefullly my Santa Cruz is able to pass the test of time. First time buying a Hyundai.....
I’m not a mechanic or even a car guy, but I love your channel. You do a great job presenting.
Man, this guy is good, I know nothing about mechanic, but understand everything he said.
Excellent comparison
I work at a Honda dealership and shared this video with all my co-workers
This is a completely different angle to view when comparing these 2 awesome companies. Thank you!
2 great car companies, but I'm sticking with Toyota on the hybrids.. excellent video!!
Thank you for the great review. I have watched numerous RAV4 hybrid and CRV reviews. Most of them talk about superficial items. I've always appreciate your mechanical reviews and in-depth clarity on how systems work. Thank you again for all your great help in these reviews and explanations.
Some more details and corrections.
This CR-V is the fourth generation of the Honda iMMD hybrid system; it has been around for nine years. The first generation was in the 2014-2015 Accord plug-in hybrid. The second was in the 2017 Accord (not a plug-in). The third was in the 2018-2022 Accord, 2019-2022 Insight, 2020-2022 CR-V, and 2018-2020 Clarity PHEV. Most of these generational changes involve improvements to the motors and engines. The only significant other changes are changing the arrangement of the two motors in the 2023 models, and the addition of a second fixed gear in the CRV only (so a better comparison to this Camry would be the 2023 Accord, with one fixed gear).
The Toyota A25A-FXS engine is the hybrid's version of the A25A-FKS in the non-hybrid Camry. Both use elements of the Atkinson cycle, but the Hybrid uses it all of the time.
Which transmission takes the "simpler route" is a matter of interpretation. Toyota's planetary gearset needs a complicated control electronics, that has to choose between three main propulsion modes that are very different. So the rpm control of the three devices (ICE, MG1, MG2) has to be guided carefully through transition to avoid a hiccup in the propulsion.
The Honda is essentially an EV that is usually powered by the motor alone; the only difference from a true BEV is that a generator provides most of the juice. And just like a BEV, the only moving transmission part in this mode, other than the engine and motors, is a single reduction gear. The advantage is that the engine almost never has to run outside of its most efficient setting.
The disadvantage, especially in high-power situations, is that it has to convert all power between mechanical and electrical form, twice. So for highway cruising -NOT WHEN "TAKING OFF" AS TCCN SUGGESTS - it skips most of that conversion by closing a clutch. This makes a direct, overdrive connection. Yes, this needs a clutch and a solenoid, but it is not (imo) as complicated as the Car Care Nut makes it out to be. And all it adds to that set of moving parts is the clutch and one overdrive gear. (The CR-V has two sets, but only one is engaged at a time.) But now, all of the transitions between modes can be accomplished in the portions of the transmission that are not connected to the wheels. None of the delays or shifts that TCCN suggests actually exist. Nor do the risks of failure; the part are there, but the conditions that might cause failure in them are not.
Your understanding and explanation of these engineering concepts in plain terms is so amazing. Thumbs up 👍🏾 AMD
I got a 15 Prius with over 120k miles. Zero issues whatsoever. Low maintenance & great mpg. Best thing I like about my Prius is that it's made in Japan.
Another great video! I imagine the majority of your viewers own Toyotas and Hondas so it's really great to see how the design/engineering compares overall.
I own a Honda Clarity Plug In Hybrid and I will say I absolutely love the fact that the engine can ran as simply a generator, and not as a drive motor. Makes the experience driving much smoother, and as you put it, refined. Being born and raised with German cars, the driving experience has always been important to me. That has always been one of my "Why don't they design it this way" thoughts of hybrid systems, and one thing I gave GM huge credit for, for actually designing a system that way. Diesel locomotives have been that way for 100 years, why not passenger vehicles.
Hybrid is liberal trash and I am a real man and will not feminize myself like that
I'm really impressed by your knowledge of the different factors that contribute to car dependability. You really know your stuff.
My cousin has a 2023 CRV Hybrid and it was insane how fuel efficient it was. Of course, it got the best MPG for in town driving and all that, but held its own for long distances too. You can't go wrong with the new Honda hybrids for sure. Has this nice shuttle like sound too and it's super quiet for the most part.
"Shuttle like?"
My cousin bought that car after testing both Rav4 and CRV. He preferred the CRV for the smoother ride
@@aluisious I also thought what the heck is a Shuttle like sound?
@@aluisious Space shuttle for sure
We have a 2019 Honda Indsight Touring. We almost always beat the EPA mileage. It does have a noticeable lag at start, especially since we use eco mode which exaggerates that.
As usual , a very professional appraisal of the two vehicles. You certainly know your stuff and provide comment which is very fair to both manufacturers. Very interesting to hear your opinions.
As a Toyota fan and owner, i have huge respect for the japanese sibling. They are both quality cars. I prefer the slight utilitarian dullnes of the Toyota over the Honda techy video game character, but that's just a matter of taste. I'm glad both are still putting out great cars. Now, why anyone would buy a german car over these...
If you have tons of money to keep your BMW, Porsche- Audi and Mercedes on their toes why not, they are very good cars with high standards and very high reselling values, plus its prestige. I think (proper) german car owners buy those cars because of these factors, the way I heard german cars are also reliable but you have to be precise with their maintenance, and have a wallet big enough to keep it up.
@@ezustnyil8414 yes, they are mainly symbolic articulations of prestige. And of course, historically they have had the upper hand when it comes to interactive material quality, driving dynamics and comfort. However, the last generations of Japanese (and Korean) cars have completely diminished those gaps in my opinion. Everything has gotten more generic by all means, but it has become clear that the rest of the car industry can do what the Germans have done, while maintaining higher quality, reliability and longevity.
@@Buffalobulltofta Good in theory but not in reality. VW/Audi, BMW, and Mercedes place a priority on comfort first and then driving dynamics. They achieve it while the Japanese and Koreans make attempts which often miss. It is not a hit or miss with BMW. They hit the targets.
@@jamesmedina2062 they also hit back to the dealer 5 times in the first year of it's life. That's just statistics, in reality. Historically you are right, things have changed the last couple of years however. I've owned a bunch of contemporary BMW's (and even more unfortunate, Audis) and still drive them all the time for work, it gets old. And foremost, they have completely lost their distinction.
@@Buffalobulltofta I agree, but not everyone, the best example is how the car community is divided by their needs, for example many people claim that Lexus's luxury and high end sport cars are less "power" and "practicality" for the money than a porsche or other german high end sport cars, but I believe true luxury and fun is the lower amount of time your cars needs to spend in a dealership. Plus many cars drives differently, as a Japanese car owner I respect their power, I know a BMW or an Audi will accelarate faster or achieve higher speed, but when the corner is coming I know its my turn, all of these cars have their places and their ownder types, only the needs and the amount of money is different.
We have a 2009 Prius it has 340000 miles on it. This car is unbelievable never had anything go wrong with it and still driving it. ❤❤Toyota
would've liked to see you compare the Hybrid Camry with the Hybrid Accord since they are both mid-sized sedans
He’s still comparing systems which are applied to both type of car on the 2 brands, SUV and Sedan.
@@randydiaz5951there are slight differences. CR-V Hybrid has 2 clutches while Civic and Accord have one.
Just recently made my own comparison between Rav4 Hybrid and CRV Hybrid. And I chose the Rav4. It felt stronger, better acceleration, less road noise and rattling, better feeling seats, better storage space for how I use it. And a real spare tire. And I’m loving the vehicle. 45.3 mpg over 7500 miles of driving. And I’ve owned many Honda vehicles, traded from a HRV. This is my second Toyota, first was 1994.
Very happy with my decision. Thanks for being the best car channel on utube.
Lol. Huge toyota fan.. but, no to your comments when it comes to the rav 4?
But woefully underpowered. Chinese do HEV power delivery so much better
Just purchased a '24 CR-V Sport L (hybrid) after driving the whole segment, including the Korean and American vehicles. Honda drove FAR quieter (used NIOSH app on my smart phone to document cabin noise in both--not close) at all but take off speeds, was more refined inside and out and felt more solidly planted on the road than the RAV4. To boot, it has better availability and thus a lower real world price tag as well, which is huge. There have to be new cars on the lot, not just on factory order, or nobody's having a driving experience at all! Toyota's struggling with that right now, unfortunately.
I understand the compromises/potential vulnerabilities with the Honda transmission (although there were some inaccuracies presented), braking and AWD systems, but I chose to prioritize the every day driving experience over potential maintenance issues in the distant future. If we wanted strictly reliable cars, they would be extremely crude, uncomfortable, unwieldy, unsafe and underpowered. That's not for me. I'll enjoy pleasant driving today and deal with any potential reliability issues (and with Honda, those are not a given by any stretch) when and if they occur. I totally understand a RAV4 purchaser's laser focus on reliability and all things practical, like a donut spare. I wish I could have that cake as well, but I'm too busy over here eating my driving experience cake. 😁
@@chefgav1lol Chinese fanboy
The CRV Hybrid is earth to moon quieter than RAV 4
Great vid. The reduced maintenance in the Toyota hybrid was a perk that I wasn't expecting when I bought my first Lexus ES 300h.
What do you mean by reduced maintenance?
You mean until the hybrid battery needs to be replaced. Then you make up for all that "reduced maintenance".
Replacement occurs well after 100,000 miles. A friend who works at a music store with help from his high school son replaced his gen 2 Prius battery in an afternoon. The rebuilt battery was $2000, including shipping of the replacement and the returned core. Old batteries are too valuable for the landfill.
Thank you for your expertise information. I am a commuter, and based on your review, I will go with the Toyota hybrid for practicality
and long term reliability.
Thank you👍
Great to see Honda vs Toyota alive and well. Basically hybrid = Japanese do it better.
I’d personally have a little more confidence in the Toyota system for long term ownership mainly due to their experience but good to see its close.
Toyota 5th generation hybrid sounds like a very mature development to the next level. I remember when you compared the Hyundai system, not impressed with that one.
I literally watch every one of your videos from beginning to end because I love learning. With that said you still haven’t convinced me to buy a hybrid. For as long as I can I will buy only a gas powered engine. And for as long as I can I will buy only a naturally aspirated engine. I own a 2017 Honda Accord V6 touring and I hope that car last forever. That 3.5 L V6 is the most enjoyable motor I’ve ever had in a vehicle.
Recently purchased a 23 Rav4 Hybrid (Woodland trim!) and am loving the ride. It is very smooth from a stop. The transition to ICE is subtle and I hardly notice it, even as someone who has not had a hybrid before. The AWD system is surprisingly nice. There's ample videos showing how capable it truly is! Your videos helped a lot in making my decision and also showed me the ways to make this a LONG term vehicle
Same boat… and bought the Woodland as well (loved those bronze wheels and trees since the press release came out).
I’ve had both a Honda (first car) and a Toyota. Toyota lasted 16 years, hopefully the woodland lasts at least 12-15 years or longer.
I'd imagine you had to wait for a year to obtain it, and paid over MSRP. Excellent vehicle, though.
@@jayp4114 you would be wrong on both thoughts. I called my first dealership in January and had the car in my driveway mid February. Paid MSRP for it!
Somewhat capable. Some videos showing going up hill in foot of snow and it heavily taxed the awd system, overheating
Watching your videos makes me appreciate the amount of research and development that has gone into these modern hybrid cars. I am due to take delivery of a new Toyota Carolla 1.8 Excel (UK spec) soon and feel very reasured after seeing the technology that has been built into the vehicle.
Great comparison. It's amazing to me after all the great detailed information you provided here, that comments show so many people still don't completely understand what you explained so clearly.
I so enjoyed this video presentation of these two automotive giants. The way you explained the systems differences and similarities were carefully and professionally presented which added my understanding. I consider myself much more informed because of your grasp of the mechanical complexities of these companies offerings, your pleasant delivery, and the smooth "Hollywood" quality cinematography. You brought your "A" game as usual my friend. Thank you.
I agree . The DRONE part confused me . Does he mean that the transmission is loud ? I find that the most noise comes from the tires related to types of surfaces. And some wind noise at higher speeds . The engine and exhaust can get loud at higher RPM but, that is to be expected. YOUR THOUGHTS Dan .
As a technician Toyota is the gold standard in hybrid technology no one else especially Hyundai and Kia has never been close to Toyota reliability and longevity and they have perfected their hybrid technology for more than 25 years.
Hyundai cars are particularly fuel hungry. I used i20 and tucson in the past. They were both +10L in city traffic
I get slightly over 800km a tank on my 7 year old Hyundai ioniq. Got over 900 when I just got it. It beat my coworker's Prius at the time.
In Japan, Hyundai was know as Fake Honda, especially because we know how Koreans actually pronounce Hyundai.
You are so good at explaining. Some of it is a little over my head, but I am still able to follow because of your clarity.
Excellent analysis of both models! Thank you!
My wife gets about 33 mpg on her daily 45 mile round trip to work in our 2017 CR-V EX-L. It has the 1.5L turbo and CVT - we both love it! (72,000 miles). Don't really feel the need for a hybrid right now, but this was VERY informative for a possible future purchase!!
I have a 2017 crv ex 167000 miles was rear ended and fixed properly. Drives like new still. I will drive it till the wheels fall off but Im looking at this videos for future purchase.
Excellent video! Thanks for this. I have been in the market to replace my 18 year old Honda Element and test drove both the CR-V Hybrid and RAV4 hybrid. Liked them both. Excellent vehicles.
Bought a Hybrid Highlander last year and love it. I was torn between Sienna and Highlander since we are not a big family after watching your Q&As (btw… I miss those vids). Love the 34 MPG and luxury like features and smooth ride. Because of the supply issues, I was willing to try Hyundai Palisade and Acura MDX, it I’m glade I got The Highlander 😊
I love Hondas man, that is been my main car for my somewhat short time on earth. Ive owned one 4th gen accord MT 270000 miles all stock and 3 6th gen accords, one V6 and 2 4Cyl 5MT, I will always love my Hondas if I havent made it clear, but TOYODA will ALWAYS be king in reliability
I love the way you explain and balance the points. It's really hard to tell which one is better
AMD, thanks for the very helpful content. I wish you were closer so I could bring my Toyota and Lexus cars to you when I have a serious problem.
mr. Car Care Nut, I've been following all your videos for a long time, it has taught me about engine maintenance & making good car choices. this comparison video has been, by far, my favourite! always wanted to know the mechanical breakdown on both their hybrid systems, Im glad I saw this video!
Ahmed can you plss compare both naturally aspirated engine and turbofied engine in one of your next videos id really love to hear it from someone like you since your such an expert in explaining this stuff and i love watching your videos it really feels simple and not thst hard to understand what your saying man!
I've been very happy with my 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid. Currently at 147k miles, so far only scheduled maintenance and tires. Still get high 40's MPG in temperate weather.
I like both. But we just Purchased a new Prius and love it .
@@Hellocali1 I can’t think of any car where the only maintenance is oil changes and tires. In my opinion, vehicles last a lot longer when you do all of the scheduled maintenance. It isn’t too often, but yes, I’ve had transmission fluid changed a few times, brake fluid, spark plugs, valve adjustment, coolant flush. Still not too bad though price wise to make sure my Accord Hybrid lasts a long time.
@@Hellocali1 I hope you are lucky then. Not performing the other maintenance may end up biting you in the ass if you keep that car, or are you getting rid of it for a CRV?
Probably the best two-car comparison I've ever seen - great job, superb. You are definitely the RUclips go-to guy for car reviews that thoroughly explore engineering and quality. I've learned in the last couple of years that, whatever other reviews I'm reading for reliability, etc., such as Consumer Reports, nothing comes close to the Car Care Nut for informative insight that provides a solid basis for making a decision - always without favoritism or pulling punches. Many thanks for your great service to the public!
This video provides a well thought through comparison of all the key hybrid systems so a consumer can really understand the differences between these vehicles. Thank you for providing this informed perspective. Well done!
It actually presents a one-sided comparison based on preconceived ideas that are not present in the Honda system. One example, at 9:35, is "The Honda side ... because you have these two clutches it actually shifts like a car. Not like an 8-speed transmission but you feel physical shifts and then ... in between them they put the mimicked shifts."
And again at 10:27 "When you take off [from a stop] this one will be laggy because it's still trying to decide which clutch to get. There is a slight delay until things get get going because you have clutches, Hydraulics that need to engage to get going so you will notice that you're driving this at a slower speed it's perfectly smooth then you accelerate there's a few second delay until it actually engages."
This is completely wrong, and shows where AMD has inserted his preconceived ideas. First off, only the CR-V has two clutches. They both are intended for the same purpose, one while towing and one while not towing. Second, the clutches have nothing to do with the mimicked shifts, and in fact are only used a constant cruising speeds.
So first I'll just describe a one clutch system, like the Accord and Civic have. The clutch only closes above about 40 mph. Below that speed, the car is driven exclusively by the traction motor, powered by a combination of the battery and the engine-driven generator. It really is an EV in this mode, with no possibility of the lags and delays that AMD describes.
In this mode the engine will be operating at its most efficient power level, which is more then the car needs for cruising. So the electronics will pull some power out of the electricity stream to charge the battery. If acceleration is needed, it will add some from the battery. Mimicked shifts are accomplished by altering the balance of engine and battery power, not with the clutches.
The car will only "decide to get" the clutch once you settle into a cruise above 40 mph. The engine will slow down to exactly match the car's speed without interrupting the power sent to the motor, and the clutch will close. Then the engine's power will be diverted from the generator to the wheels, WITH NO LAG, DELAY, OR "SLIGHT JERK." The driver will have no idea this is happening unless (s)he is watching certain displays.
Just like cruising with the clutch open, the engine will be producing too much power. The excess will still charge the battery, but now the traction motor will be generating the electricity (just like with regen braking). When the battery has enough charge, the clutch will open just as seamlessly and the car will go into battery-only operation.
The reason the CR-V adds a second clutch is because the engine may not be able to over-produce in this situation while towing. Since it is necessary that it do so, the second clutch matches higher engine speeds (i.e., more power) with lower car speeds. This is why it is called a "low-speed clutch."
Thanks for comparing to Honda, I appreciate it! We need your opinion on other brands
I have lots of experience with both brands, in the past and in the present. Both are excellent, you can't go wrong with either one. Remember, Honda is still the largest engine manufacture in the world. Thank you for the video but when I test drove a recent CRV hybrid I found no lag what so ever. Interesting you did though.
I really don't think he did. He misunderstands how the clutch is used, and imagines it must have a lag based on that misunderstanding.
He thinks this system has to engage a clutch (around 8:30) to accelerate, after "deciding" which to use. That's where his imaginary lag is. The truth is that the clutch disengages, when that happens, with no lag. The choice of which is predetermined by speed, in low-power situations. Any "lag" would be between two cruising modes, and so will not be felt.
Great video as I always expect from you AMD! Only one thing I would change...the comparison should have been between two SUV's not between a sedan and an SUV. Perhaps this Honda CRV vs Toyota RAV4? There would be a difference in ride and driving/handling between a sedan and an SUV. There are differences between a sedan and an SUV in terms of weight and wheelbase, both of which make for differences in handling, acceleration and braking. Keep these great videos coming AMD! I thoroughly them.
Read the title. The comparison is between two different hybrid systems not two different suvs from different companies 😅
Thanks!
We thank you Master Mechanic. The Car Care Nut, your video is very exceptional, others RUclips had discussed Toyota Hybrid XLE versus Hybrid Honda, you had gone over how each engine performed. The details are very helpful to the consumers to select the right car for them. This is a great video.
As a Honda CR-V owner/fanboy, I love your channel and appreciate the overall knowledge I get from watching your videos. Your breakdown here is amazing. I am 3000 miles into a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid and it does drive like a dream. While Honda may not have as much hybrid history as Toyota, I felt very confident with my decision to purchase and remain so after watching your comparison. Thank you for the details.
How has your gas milage been? I'm considering this vehicle. I drove the rav-4 and really didn't like it compared to the CRV.
city driving in my crv hybrid is 41 flat
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
Thank you for the great explanation on the differences between the two systems. Wonderful presentation.
This was so useful and informative! I have a 2020 MDX hybrid - the last year they had the hybrid option. I have been feeling a little guilt6 about the purchase because my husband is a die-hard utilitarian Toyota fan. But the hybrid MDX is just so nice to drive! Speedy and maneuverable for a 3-row SUV, quiet, comfortable, doesn’t have that unpleasant CVT feel. I do notice the transmission lag you mentioned, but we are used to it now. I just hope it’s reliable and lasts a long time. It seems very complicated! I will say that the infotainment isn’t great and I wish there were more old-fashioned buttons for the heat and stereo. Mazda is smart to be keeping those.
FYI, the MDX sport hybrid is not in anyway related to this system and drives completely different compared to this system.
No need to feel bad. It's an awesome vehicle, I have one myself
I have one too. It is a different system than the CRV hybrid described. I don’t experience the transmission lag in sport plus mode which is my primary mode.
Wow, what a great comparison of two stellar brands. I knew the maturity of the Toyota hybrid system would be the difference maker here.
Well-done AMD! I don't always listen to AMD discuss Toyotas and Hondas or anything Automotive but when I do my neighbors do too.... loud and proud on my system.
I'm always curious about the reliability issues of the car as a whole and of the subsystems. Infrequently, you do not find a reviewer get into the nuts and bolts and discuss the intricacies of the pros and the cons. Rather they just talk about the styling, the MPGs, performance, the way it drives or this or that. While that certainly has its place nothing can take the place of inside knowledge on the way things work and how they will last for our hard-earned money. Keep 'em coming!
I often heard about "CVT droning". This is often shown when someone "floors it" to accelerate aggressively during a drive to demonstrate it. The reality is, when you are driving it normally, you'll never notice it since the eCVT will always keep the engine RPMs in the most efficient range. If you floor it, you are asking the vehicle for maximum power, which is achieved at the engine's peak power range (likely in the 4500 RPM range). In a vehicle with a conventional transmission, the gears would allow the engine to get up that speed, but then a shift do the next gear would drop it down to (example) 3000 RPM and the engine has to get back up to 4500 again. An eCVT simply adjusts the ratios so the engine can get to 4500 RPM (very quickly) then adjusts the ratios to keep the engine speed there as the speed increases, maximizing power, acceleration and efficiency. One really nice thing about the eCVT is the smooth driving characteristics if provides. There is no "shifting" so you don't get that "bump" you normally get during a gear change. I have a Toyota Hybrid and love it. It's very fuel efficient and one of the reasons I bought it was the bulletproof reliability they are known for. In the nice weather, my Venza can get high 4s in the city (50 mpg). If you rev the engine really high, it's not the best sounding, but that's not because it isn't a good engine (it is), it's a larger displacement (2.5L) engine that also runs on the Atkinson cycle (at 14:1 compression). It's designed to maximize efficiency, not set lap times at your drag strip (although, it is peppy if you stomp it).
You hit the head on the nail there jeffer! You are 100 % right,I agree,I find it very smooth unless you are really heavy footed,then yes there is a definite drone! If you normally drive with a heavy foot to notice the drone often,you have to question weather it would be beneficial to have a hybrid,not sure that you would gain enough efficiency to pay for the extra cost. Excellent explanation jeffer!
I have never driven a cvt or ecvt
one false thing about the "bump" is that is a manual only thing.
automatics dont have that. most you will notice is a dip in rpm follow by rapid rise.
Even when floored all i hear is the engine going from super quiet to low screams and alot of wind noise.
now if you drive a manual this is very noticeable but only when the clutch is engaged and gear is changing. You will also see the car jerk during gear change.
Automatics are smooth as butter. And only slightly worse mpg than manuals.
Not only are CVTs and eCVTs two totally different things, but eCVTs are three or four totally different things all by themselves. It's a marketing term that doesn't refer to anything in reality except the presence of at least one electric motor. The video explained in some detail that the two "eCVTs" he's looking at aren't even remotely similar in mechanics or driving characteristics. Your experience with your Toyota doesn't tell you anything about either CVTs or the transmissions in other automakers' hybrids.
@@moarsaur Toyota's eCVT is just a planetary gear set. It's the best system out there. I'm not sure who else uses it. It seems to be relatively uncommon but it is the most reliable system. Some other brands use conventional automatics, some use belt or chain driven CVTs, Toyota uses a planetary gear set.
@@jeffer1101 You didn't watch the video, did you?
Nice comparison. I had no choice, in 2022 we didn’t have a hybrid CRV(Canada).
, But very happy with my Rav. I’d still pick Rav. Seems like less to maintain, and Toyota has been making hybrids a long time.
Even for 2023 choice in Canada is no better. CRV Hybrid exists only in one trim for 51+K. In the same time there is plenty of Rav4 Hybrid options from 38K to 49K.
The RAV is nice if you hate headroom everywhere and legroom in the back. The RAV is a "tell me you're short without telling me you're short," kind of deal.
@@lexwaldezmy husband is 6’2 and has no problem sitting in passenger seat of my Rav.
Thank You SO VERY MUCH for the Explanation of the Hybrid's 😊❤ engine's 🎉 I wish more mechanics would Talk about the systems in greater depth, like yourself 😊❤
As a Aircraft Mechanic , I really appreciate your evaluations and style . Keep these coming and add more vehicles . I really like / wanted this kinda driveline evaluations . Thanks
Coment about VOLT was excellent!!!
Volt was a GREAT CAR. I sold mine with 219,000mi and it was running very well. Battery was 75% capacity vs new. Only a single drive system repair required during that time.
I've owned a dozen Hondas and a few Toyotas. Both are excellent. I also do all my own mechanical work as well. I find that I find things I love, and things I don't about both of them. Hondas seemed to be more fun to drive than Toyotas. Toyotas tend to be more straightforward than Honda, but Hondas are really well-engineered and they seem to understand that someday someone will be working on it. You can't go wrong with either brand.
i owned just 1 VW GTI 16V still goes great since 1988. Al Honda and Toyota have rusted away
@@rc666 I've only owed 60s VWs. The rust issue has gotten better since the 90s. I treat my cars with Fluid Film every year and rust isn't a problem anymore. I live in the rust belt, so I know how bad rust can be.
As always, a high quality review. Always appreciate your knowledge.
I own a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring....(March 15th/1100 miles on it now) The RAV4 I looked at Apples for Apples was $3-5K more.....I read Car and Driver through and through, and Consumer Reports, and others, and the CRV blew the Rav4 away... My CRV is smooth as silk, no engine noise at all, NO shifting feelings at all, the Adaptive Cruise just Rocks as does Lane Keeping! I run in ECON mode and get 37 Mpg....SPORT mode is unbelievable and the car takes off like a Ferrari, or a Jaguar.... I think electric and engine drive 4 wheels together. The AWD is awesome, as I can make corner turns and not have any issues. In Sport mode the Artificial shifting is great, (thru the speakers) and I feel like Mario Andretti! With Bose Sound, all power seats, other features, above the basic models, I am at $43K.....I couldn't touch the Rav4 for less than $46-49!.....The paddle shifters work great, and I increase my regen breaking often, at 3 levels, and for stopping/charging! The Hybrid in this car is awesome, as it goes in and out all the time, and does not stop at 25mph, and make the engine take over. I have seen hybrid drive at 45mph, at times!....Do NOT like the AC Compressor running from the EV Battery!........Love my CRV!
Hondas are better than Toyota s for sure, but their prices are getting ridiculous. Imagine spending $34,000 for 1.5L T Honda Civic. Where I'm currently living the civic costs $34,000 and this is not an SI, just a normal 1.5L Civic
Goddamm dude chill out its just a Honda crv it's not the second coming of Christ. But glad you're enjoying it
@@ROGG16Gamingthat's insane. They have increased so much in price
@@veroxeon1858talk about an over reaction 🤪
I'm three days into a '21 Accord Hybrid -- did not think I'd like the lane keeping at all, but it's great! Haven't tried the adaptive cruise yet. Still feeling out the paddles... cool for regen and saving the brakes, but weird that I'm in charge of that part of the operation. Reset the trip meter for my commute to and from work today, and I was dead on 40mpg, mostly stop-and-go with a short stretch of highway.
Another great review. I'm generally a Toyota Hybrid fan and my daughter is a Honda Hybrid buff. Looks like we both came out winners. Best wishes for a happy holiday season and a healty and prosperous new year.
if we are being completely objective toyotas have the more efficient and reliable drivetrain, as well as superior built quality. but hondas are a lot more engaging and fun to drive which can mostly be attributed to the superior dual cam system (VTEC), but also better fuel injection and the dual clutch 2 speed cvt system among a few other things. honda also have much more modern interiors and they arent afraid to experiment and try risky things with their cars as much as toyota.
Good analysis from a Master Mechanic. Respect!
I am a real Honda driver. Drove a honda shuttle for 464000 km. Now a 2007 CRV with already 370000km. My WiFi drives a 2019 CRV hybrid. Love all three of them. ☺️
I have a WiFi too but it doesn’t do anything. Also, what’s a “real” Honda driver?
@@M4NA5real Honda drivers are the ones that drive it like a race car and redline it so “VTEC just kicked in yo”
I’m in the UK and been thinking of selling my 92k mile CRV AWD 2.2 diesel for a Toyota CHR. We have so much rubbish over here with ULEZ (ultra low emission zone that’s in London and set to spread like a cancer). I think you’ve convinced me to buy the Honda. Not least because of its combined 42mpg, strong performance and 50mpg on the motorway/freeway…!!!!
Bro check out the 2026 Passport and Prelude. It's gonna be a good year for them
What an outstanding overview of Toyota vs Honda corporate ethos. Thank you! Your channel stands out from the rest.
We are currently shopping for a RAV hybrid and considering the CRV Hybrid also. Both excellent vehicles.
Hyundai is out the window on reliability and stone age architecture. Leaning towards the Toyota, to replace our 2012 Lexus CT200h.
"I'm Rick James bitch!" Btw very nice reply of yours
Thank You for explaining everything in a very simple and fare way. Well done! Love your videos!
My wife and I have been driving Hondas for 15+ years and decided to replace the Civic this year. In doing my research I was impressed with the Honda implementation of this generation hybrid system so went to the dealer and drove the Accord and CR-V Hybrid Touring models. Seeing that Lexus had a similar system I also drove the ES300h (yes, I realize it's not exactly the same class of car but the hybrid systems are) which also went well. All the cars had good drivability and I didn't notice any objectionable quirks; there was nothing about the driving experience that excluded any of them. In the end I went with the Lexus and will be taking delivery of it tomorrow. This video was extremely helpful in assessing the technical pros and cons of both hybrid systems; the lack of clutches and simplicity of the Lexus system was kind of a tipping point for me. Thank you for providing a thorough and objective comparison of these two systems.
Hi AMD,
Thank you for this thorough weighing of the differences between the two hybrid systems.
Another ‘reliability’ factor that really plays big time in choosing a vehicle, that IS outside the drivetrain, by absolutely KEY for longevity and cost effectiveness in the ‘northern and Midwest parts of the country. Corrosion resistance. Blessed salt keeps the roadways de-iced, but EATS car body and chassis’s.
I had a 2006 IMA Civic that I loved dearly, but road salt loved the rear wheel wells and rocker panels badly by 2011 (5-6 years). My son’s 2007 Camry has only recently started to show off bad corrosion (15 years).
Thanks for any info you may have about the company’s priorities for quality/build resisting rust!!
Fantastic work as always! Thank you so much for such a thorough comparison and breaking everything down in detail.
Your videos are very informative and entertaining. Thanks and keep them coming.
Great video but there's a use case angle here that's been missed, and it concerns fuel economy. Honda's series-hybrid approach delivers significant benefits in 25-55mph driving, but their fixed clutches make for excessive RPM compared to Toyota at 70mph and up, with the engine being manacled to the higher speed clutch at a fixed ratio about 50mph and up as opposed to Toyota's CVT adjusting RPM down at high speed whenever it can. This produces some quirks in reviews -- for example the Consumer Reports test is very heavy on 25-55 mph driving and so Honda hybrid fuel economy comes out looking good in a CR test. I'd absolutely favor Toyota as a 70mph-plus freeway cruiser; also for high-intensity city driving given the durability issues raised in this video. But Honda could be a very good suburban commuter in the US or rural secondary roads driver in Europe.
new york highway speed limit is 55, honda wins
In Europe taxation (at buying stage and monthly) is often done on engine volume. Therefore a 2.0 system makes a whole lot more sense. Performance is about the same unless you want to race on the German autobahn, you'll be doing 120-130 kmh (75-80mph) on the highway and 18 to 30 in the cities. It's why the 1.5 liter engines are popular. Fuel economy of the 1.5 also counts of course. Anyways, in Europe i drive a 2.4 liter which often raises eyebrows, while abroad i have my land cruiser 200 which they don't even sell in the EU as taxes would go through the roof.
This is very helpful as in California, folks are going 70 to 90 mph usually on the highway. Thanks.
@@ryanllts NY Thruway speed limit is 65, as is the limit on parts of many expressways in NY. State Troopers will rarely pull you over for under 75 (if not 80.) Traffic in many places moves faster than 70.
The fixed gear ratio is slightly faster than top gear of the 6-speed manual. Extra torque from the electric motor may be needed to accelerate when the gear is engaged.
The way you explain everything in your videos is commendable. Especially the way you explain it in fashion that the novice can understand. You sir are legendary in the world of RUclips reviews. I only hope that you do not sell your self to a company that is willing to use you for promotion of their vehicles and thus not providing the world with unbiased review. Thank you!
Great analysis as usual. One thing that I have seen in other reviews. The Toyota (RAV4 vs CRV) is more efficient under load (high speed>70 MPH or going up mountains). At low speeds the Honda may do a little better. This comes from the Toyota transmission keeping the engine at top efficiency.
Honda Clarity was, and is still the best plug-in hybrid. The engineers were seriously out to build the best non compact hybrid sedan. However, Honda wasn't serious about marketing it. You couldn't even find it on their website home page. It is closest to a full electric vehicle without the full EV downside. Great channel and content.
avid fan, seeing this video, as soon as you upload
THANKS You're really making me feel good about buying my 2020 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I got a lot of negative comments about what I got and why I got it but you're presentation said I made the right choice say back then. I still love my Camry Hybrid to this day. thanks!
I have been buying Toyotas since 1980 with the latest being a 2022 Camry LE Hybrid. It is my first hybrid and I have no regrets. Easily has a driving range of over 600 miles with the small 13 gallon tank and is just as comfortable as my 2017 gas Camry but with more power if I need it. I hear people say that they would never buy a hybrid because there are two systems to have problems instead of one engine. I just smile knowing that I made the right decision.
Swweeeeet. Always happy to watch a comparison video from the car care nut :D
I have the 2023 CRV sport touring and can categorically state that there is not a few-second delay when accelerating quickly, it is immediate. My experience is the 184 HP electric motor is doing all the initial acceleration, and the gas engine only is spinning the second motor to recharge the battery. The clutch engages the gas motor to drive in certain high-speed and towing situations but not for general acceleration. The gear shifts that are heard are simulated and not the result of the clutch kicking in.
I have the CRV Touring Hybrid as well…the acceleration is immediate and the gas engine kicks in afterward. The vehicle is quite a nice vehicle compared to the RAV4 which is not as comfortable, not as quiet, not as sporty, etc
I just bought the Civic Hybrid and the clutch(es) only engage when you’re cruising. Once you floor it the clutch disengages and the motor is driving. CRV has a low range clutch and a high range. Civic and Accord only have 1 clutch.
The Toyota Hybrid's eCVT is so dependable that stocking parts for it is practically unheard of.
Thank you very much for this video. I have a 2023 CRV and you made me feel much better about my purchase. Including how I didn’t get the AWD model
Great video. My Nissan was totally wrecked by a Toyota Corolla, which didn't get a dent. After that accident, I went all the way with Toyota (truck, 4runner, Corolla, Sienna, Prius, Prius Prime). My sister followed me with Toyota (Camry, Rav4, High Lander). My brother went with Honda (Civic, Accord, pilot, Odyssey). After few years, he traded his Odyssey for SUV Lexus. My 2006 Sienna still doing well today over 300K mileages. When price is right, I like to get the hybrid Sienna. My kids love the both of the Prius and Prius prime though.
WOW! What a wonderful video, Pointing out the differences between the two hybrids. You certainly know what you are talking about when it comes to vehicles! I have watched many of your videos, and you are definitely one of the better technicians when it comes to understanding and the explanation of how things work. I do appreciate all the hard work and especially the time you take to produce these videos! Thanks for putting this information out so we can get better understandings of how things work!!
Thanks for making these very good informative videos! 👍
we have had our 2012 Lexus RX450H hybrid for 10 years and 240,000 miles...Zero issues, just oil changes and tires... Just bought another 2013 RX450h, 70K miles and giving the 2012 to our 16 year old daughter... The 450h are reliable tanks...LOL
I have a Rav 4 hybrid AWD on order. I reckon this video confirms I made the correct choice. Thanks AMD.
After watching your comparison, I am glad I purchased a Toyota. Excellent simple explanation of the two different hybrid systems. Thank you.
And by understanding all the ways he misrepresented the Honda, I'm glad I purchased that one. The explanation is clear, but misinformed. For example, and yes I can back this up, the Toyota has more history of clutch failures than the Honda.
Hybrids don't attach an ICE to the wheels without a fail-safe device in case one changes speed suddenly. It's called a torque damper, or clutch damper, and is attached to the flywheel in both these cars. It is a permanently-applied clutch that will "slip" a little in those circumstances.
And they occur regularly in the Toyota, when the engine starts. MG1 "pushes" on the ICE through this clutch to start it. (More accurately, it stops pushing against MG2 and the wheels as much, so they shift to pushing the ICE). The Honda never starts the ICE when connected to the motor and wheels, and only operates its clutch when the computer determines that rpm are matched.)
Excellent comparison but for me, I prefer the Honda AWD mechanical system - feels more normal and behaves more like what you would expect on slippery roads.
Luv the Toyota Hybrid system - fewer parts, therefore less to go wrong and maintain...
Even less moving parts in a Tesla
@@pauld3327but they are junk.
@@psynurse Definitely not
Emm cooling system? Special braking system that is much complicated? Batteries that overheat and you need to replace? Where is it better?
@@pauld3327Tesla are American junk. Sorry but its true. Just wait few more years and you'll see how bad they actually are.