A Tactical Blaster: A Graviturgist Build (Part 1 of 4)
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2020
- This is part 1 of a 4 part series on the Graviturgist which specializes in controlling enemy movement, we see here the beginning of the ability to control the enemy, though we will really see these abilities come together in the next part (levels 6-11)
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Somebody mocked this wizard once! He didn't understood the gravity of the situation at the time...
No, just no.
@@saberswordsmen1 oh boy :D
Fwiw, chronurgy spells have been supplied by a Graviturgist wizard in Critical Role, so my understanding from a lore perspective is that dunamancy is dunamancy, specialties don't restrict spell access beyond being a dunamancer.
Levitate and Thorn whip work very well together. If you're levitating close to the target and pull them 10' they fall and take additional damage.
YES. This is a great use of these two spells together. They don't just take additional damage, but they fall prone as well. 1d6 + 1d6 + fall prone at 3rd level with a cantrip is AMAZING. I'll be highlighting this on next Monday's vid.
awesome thinking! This is why I love D&D!
I have a build utilizing a race with flight ability like Variant winged Teifling. It’s going to be very fun to play for sure
That immovable object spell is good, but 25g a pop is rough.
I would definitely consider Thunderwave for this build! It fits the theme and is a generally better spell than Earth Tremor, but more importantly, it’s your way of pushing targets. An enemy leaving your Web/Grease is likely heading towards you, and it’s great to be able to both push and pull.
Yes!!! Thank you, Chris. So excited to see more Wizard builds from you.
I would also love to hear how you would build a Chronurgist. Very curious as to how you would differentiate it from a Diviner.
Chronurgist please Cris!
rabbitfolk ua and alert feat lol
I am SO EXCITED that you are doing this build! I started a campaign a couple weeks ago as a graviturgist with an artificer dip, and I'm glad to see our thinking on it is similar so far :D.
Oooh, would love some updates in how it's going!
@@TreantmonksTemple I'm using a hobgoblin instead of gnome, and we rolled for stats and mine were excellent so I'm starting 15/14/20/18/12/8. With hobgoblin martial weapons and that strength I've got booming blade for a close cantrip, which I can't wait to use with the level 6 ability. We also have the added benefit of using your feats :D. Only 3 sessions in so far and haven't had combat at lvl 2 yet, but I'll keep you updated!
@@annagarman8016 Wow, that sounds fantastic! I'm really glad to hear people using my feat variant as well. Looking forward to hearing more.
Note that with Web, once you get Gravity Well, you can do something like a Careful Spell and shove your allies out of the Web when you cast it if they’re on the edge.
Also note that Wall of Fire is really good on a Graviturgist because of course you can push enemies through it, but also, you can make the Wall 5 feet tall and then if an enemy fails their saving throw you can push them 5 feet into the air so that they fall into the wall a second time.
I always said Graviturgist is a great caster overall, but requires being clever tactically
Gravity, as we currently understand it, is a distortion in space-time, seems to me we should be able to manipulate both time and space in order to generate our gravitational effects. So you should be able to sling out a singularity that draws things in and slows them down and once matter is consumed you get a minor radiant blast.
If we're going off what we know of gravity and relativity it should really be an absolutely cataclysmic radiant blast but yeah that would be game breaking lol
@@mduckernzI agree the energy you'd get out would be pretty catastrophic, but I was down playing it for use as a homebrew mechanic😄
The new Tasha’s mind whip is a good spell to take with this subclass. You can combine it with a web spell for great effect, and from Wizard 6 onwards, you can move any creature that fails its INT save.
Picture an enemy fighter with a greatsword who’s beating down on you or another squishy character. Hit them with this and move them five feet from you. They now a) can’t reach you, so you can move away and b) will have to basically waste their next turn moving into range for another attack.
Taryon Darrington (a player character in CR campaign 1) was an artificer. So... Artificers are cannon in Exandria (the world in which Wildemount is located)
I have heard of all these classes, but never seen a breakdown! Very thorough and informational!
Love the build-along man. I would've assumed you were going Outlander background, which would have given you the "Wanderer" Background Feature. That would synergize nicely with the Cartographers tools when map making. It's a minor bonus, but I've been trying to work more background effects into my recent games as both a player & a DM
I love the idea of this character. Its perfect for someone who wants to play a God Wizard with a bit more oomph. I sort of written off the Gravity Wizard but now I think this build is one of my top desired characters to play.
I was unsure on it until I started building the character, and then now I'm excited to play one too.
Great treantmonk content! I like all the treantmonk content, but wizard builds are the cream of the créame. Hoping for a chronurgist build aswell some day.
4 parts? This just got interesting
I clicked on part 2 without realizing it was part 2. I thought it was just a single video.
I loved the idea of a tatical blaster, dealing damage to conquer some respect, but at the same time doing what you really want, control .
Immovable object plus door equals secure location
I know it's not optimized and also is super DM dependent bu know I just want a melee eldritch knight casting sapping sting and then getting a bonus action attack with advantage. Two attacks is probably still better but there's probably a fun rogue multiclass in there too. I wonder if you could go sapping sting + shadow blade + elven accuracy for big crits? I had a great time spamming Vicious mockery with a variant tiefling ek I played a while back so maybe I'll try this one.
There's definitely artificers in Matt Mercers world. Taryon Darrington was one. Though that was last campaign, well before the Eberron campaign setting came out, so it was based on the UA class.
The hilarity of casting immovable object on an enemy’s shirt in combat, and having them struggle and writhe to get free so they can fight bare-chested, is amazing. I feel like this spell is great for pranks; puts me in mind of an old M*A*S*H episode, when B.J. nailed Hawkeye’s boot to the floor. It could also be put to more macabre use, as you could make a sharp object immobile and then push an enemy onto it.
Did you look into the gravity well features interaction with the create bonfire cantrip?
By my reading of the feature and the cantrip, if a creature fails the first saving throw when it appears, it takes the damage and can be moved directly upward above the spell effects space. This would cause the creature to fall back down, which would count as the creature entering the spells area for the first time on a turn. This would cause a second saving throw to be made, potentially dealing the cantrips damage again.
TL:DR
If a creature fails create bonfires first saving throw, it can be made to make another saving throw the same turn it’s casted. This drives up potential damage slightly.
A little note on your concern about Wildemount/Eberron content: According to the source of all things Wildemount/Exandria, Matthew Mercer and Critical Role, at least some of the Eberron content exists in Wildemount as well. Artificers exist in Wildemount, including one of the legendary members of the adventuring troupe Vox Machina, and Wildemount native, Taryon Gary Darrington. DMs can make any rulings they want, but, if you ask me, any DM really should allow artificer in Wildemount games if they want the setting to really feel like Wildemount.
Be careful about this, because it could be changed, but I’ve found that the new Telekinetic feat from the revised Psionics UA psynchronizes (getit) with Graviturgy magic fairly well. It’s another way to control enemies and allies, if a fairly chaotic and unwieldy one. Works super well with spells like web and Evard’s black tentacles.
Hey Chris, love your channel. Now that the artificer is out, what do you think of enchanter with a 1 level dip of artificer to pick up sanctuary to combo with hypnotic gaze? Do you think this is worth being 1 level behind in terms of higher level spells? Thanks
Chris: Could be Artificiers in Wildemount
TARYON DARINGTON WANTS A WORD WITH YOU
Love these videos, it’s really helped me learn some rules I might have been unaware of. Regarding your video last week, I’d be interested in seeing a build based around taking damage. A character that wants to get hit. Maybe a bard with armor of Agyths as a magical secret? Maybe a level of barbarian for rage, take spiritual weapon as another magical secret since neither take concentration. Or instead of barbarian they could cast blade ward every turn which although maybe not the best mechanically would be kind of funny to see a build based upon a cantrip many consider inferior. Add hellish rebuke and now you’re doing a lot of damage from getting hit. I don’t know I’m not the optimancer here id just be interested to see what you could do.
I haven’t watched that one! I’m going to watch it right now! Seems like that’s what I’m looking for!
Also keep an eye out in the future for a build called the "Frostbane Barbarian", it will also be along a similar line.
Treantmonk's Temple I love it just based off the name already haha looking forward to it
I want to play D&D with Treantmonk just to watch him play. I'll play a champion fighter, IDC!
I'm making this character. I've got the artwork and backstory all worked up. My only question is at 5th level she gets 4 second level spells, but I've been watching this vid while building. I have backed it up several times and Treantmonk lists 5 second level spells. If I can only take 4, should I take Immovable object (with its 25gp price) or mirror image?
Hey Chris! I need your help! I'm getting the chance to run a wizard for the second time in my D&D career. I got to level 6 on my first one before the game stopped and I get another chance months later to play another one. I'm allowed to choose the Chronurgist subclass. I'm in a party of six with three fighters, a druid, hexblade and myself.
I'd like to be able to help them as much as possible while still being able to do some damage. My DM has also allowed me to select Graviturgist spells as well. I've already picked my race(High Elf) and stats. I just need some help with some spell selections, or a recommendation of a build guide you already have that may suit my needs?
I want to pick up some spells that are thematic to time as well, such as haste, and slow. Thank you!!
Lore Bards are out there grabbing Dunamancy spells like 😜
Nice to see your opinion on artificer dips! Have you had a look at mind sharpener (UA) infusion? I’d be interested in knowing your opinion on it - I’m currently playing in a campaign where we are allowed UA material, and I’m seriously tempted to take 2/3 levels in artificer before going warmage (basically unbreakable concentration)
I haven't at this time, so I can't really offer any opinion.
I'd be shocked if the mind sharpener made it to a published book, I love it but it seems way to powerful...
So I need two different foci? won't it mess with my actions? the artificer focus is not the same as the wizard one. So on 2nd level with a shield on it might be a problem switching from focus to focus each time I need to cast a spell from a different class.
Artificer Initiate from Tasha's helps with this.
Wait, the caster levels from 1/2 or 1/3'rd casters get's rounded UP? That would change up quite some things about a lvl 5 gloomstalker - Arcane Trickster x build I've been working on. So a lvl 5 ranger lvl 3 trickster would be counted as a lvl 4 (2.5+1, rounded up) caster? and get lvl 3 spell slots @ ranger 5/ trickster 6?
*only* the artificer rounds up. It is a special exception from the general rule of rounding down.
@@TheJBaynham Tnx for clearing that up. I was thinking "wait, doesn't that go against all pre-established rules?"
Tayron Darrington is from wildemount and he is is one of the few artificers I've ever seen played.
Not sure why people have such an aversion to this class. I personally find it fascinating.
Wizards... Don't have subclass spell lists from my understanding. I'm not sure why people would think pseudo-homebrew subclasses would have this specific issue just because it's flavored for a specific campaign. It wouldn't be released to the public if they didn't want people using it in their other campaigns.
I’m having a technical question about the artificer 1/wizard x and casting spells and wearing a shield. For wizard spells when you need a component, you need an arcane focus for instance a staff or something from a component pouch. For the artificer spells, you need an artificer tool. Could you use a component pouch to cast the artificer spells? Or how would you deal with this?
No, artificer spells require you are holding applicable tools. It's not easy to work around, you will need to keep track of what you are holding, if anything at any time. Technically you can put away tools on your turn and cast a wizard spell as using a component pouch/touching a focus should not require an interact with an object.
Treantmonk's Temple I thought so. Roleplay wise this seems very limiting. Your character needs to know what kind of spell you cast, and therefore keep switching items during combat. RAW it could work, but it seems that unless you play something like a juggler, it would be hard to explain in character. You could of course flavour it like getting the right tool for a particular moment
@@TreantmonksTemple If, on your turn, you cast a Wizard spell that has material components and you've put away your tools to do so, you will not be able to cast Absorb Elements as a reaction if you need to because you won't have artisan tools in your hand. Probably best to take Absorb Elements as a Wizard spell, no?
I really wish lightning lure had more utility. It's a grappling hook made of lightning... and it can only do damage, and only if the enemy ends the attack within like 10 ft of the caster?
Yeah, it's really underwhelming when compared to Thorn Whip
It's a horribly written spell. It should deal damage on hit, and then have a save for the pull effect, IMO.
Unfortunately, the Adjust Density feature is concentration. "The target's
weight is halved or doubled for up to 1 minute or until your concentration ends (as if you were concentrating on a spell)" Page 185 of Explorer's Guide to Wildemount. The Web interaction wouldn't be possible. :( Web still fits very well for this type of character. It would be nice if Adjust Density was just a limit to 1 object or creature at a time, because the way it stands it has way to many useful concentration spells in combat to compete with.
Hey would you do a chronurgy build then ? 🙃
17:09 yeah it's like pressing Throw in Street Fighter
26:26 Immovable Object disc connected to another disc, vertical train wheels. Immovable Rod tank track type biz
Hello Chris how are you? I know you from your wizard guide to D&D 3.5 and I'm fairly new to D&D 5e, so excuse me if i say something wrong.
I'm thinking on playing this character on a campaing, however im a bit afraid of the constitution saving throws on graviturgy spells because my DM told me that the monsters are going to have high CON, do you think the build may work anyways ? (Sorry for english mistakes)
As a DM i would you 100% give the victim of an immovable object on a sword an Opportunity attack. You are litereally touching a sword thats in the hand of another person....
Really hope you circle back and build a chronurgist.
This is in the artificer playlist. Did I miss something?
800th 👍thinking of trying this build in strahd campaign any changes?
I'm not sold on taking Absorb Elements from the Artificer list. Eventually, you'll be casting wizard spells that have a material component, and if you're holding a component pouch or an arcane focus, and wielding a shield, you can't also be using a set of tools.
SmugLookingBarrel You don’t have to hold the component pouch though. You can have a shield in one hand, and use your free hand to either manipulate a component pouch OR tools. With an arcane focus it can technically work too if you do the foci juggle, but that feels really stupid when you picture it mentally.
Canonically in Critical Role there are, indeed, artificers in Wildemount, and an Artificing tradition exists within Gnome populations. Any DM that disallows the Artificer dip is just being controlling, and that's a red flag anyway.
a main character plays a human artificer at one point! And his home is in the continent of Wildemount!
If you're including canon from the stream, then both Chronurgy and Graviturgy spells can be learned by Wizards of other schools. The Wizard, Caleb, on Critical Role has several Chronurgy spells and is a Transmutation Wizard. He was offered Graviturgy spells at one point but chose the Chronurgy spells.
You could be from Huperduk! Preferrably, "UpHup", as the kids are calling it these days ; )
@@fortunatus1 I think no one denies other wizards can learn dunamancy. But you need to find a good source. Caleb didn't learn the spells outright first he had to understand dunamancy before that guy started teaching spells.
Did he made a Order of Scribes build?
When Artificer is not an option, can i take Lightning Lure for Thorn Whip or is there a better choice?
Not really. I would be using sapping sting a lot more in that case as well.
@@TreantmonksTemple so we have played the first round in a Wildermount setting, i took lightning lure too, because I am a Variant tiefling with wings. So i can fly 15" over a creature, try to push them into the air, they want to fall 10" down and get 1d4+1d6 Dmg and get prone too.
I don't like the DnD Beyond enforces the dunamancy restrictions. It doesn't enforce the Bladesinger restrictions, and it's much harder to add the spells for other wizards than it is to just tell your players not to pick those spells if they aren't in a dunamancy school.
Is the Chrono video out?
One of the main party members was an artificer once in critical role.
Dunamancer wizard 3/monk 17; because I have a need,...for speed
I never considered a graviturgist but after seeing this I will. I love that you try to use multiple different races in your builds. But for my graviturgist am thinking of a tabaxi named Newton that likes to knock things over!
LOL, nice!
7:30 Just say you're from Hupperdook lol
show your watch in which you read " Working Time / Party Time"
Level 2artificer gets an infusion that allows you to use a sheild or weapon as a spellcasting focas, though with warcaster you can get spells with reactions...
This build is awesome but man it hurts me so much to slow spell progression
What program are you using to build this?
D&D beyond
can you really do immovable object on someones sword while they are attacking you? I don't think that is what that spell was intended to be. There is no attack roll so i don't see that you *should* be allowed to use it in this way. It is not like they let you put your hand on their sword just unapposed... unless you want to ready the spell and try and block the next sword attack with your hand. I just don't see it being usable in combat in the manner you have described.
I see your...ahem... point.
I agree with the weapon, but it could still be reasonable to touch something else they're wearing and cast it. As a DM I'd probably treat it like a grapple, but the enemy can only use dex to avoid it, not strength. If they fail, you manage to touch whatever it was you were trying to touch and the spell is applied. Otherwise it's lost.
21:29 To my understanding, pulling a creature into an area against their will does not trigger the effect of 'enters the area' spells, so this combination doesn't work. Am I mistaken?
I think so. You may be thinking about the triggering of "if the target moves" effects like booming blade.
The confusion seems to stem from people translating opportunity attack rules to everything else in the game.
@@binolombardi In my case it was confusion about a jeremy crawford tweet on moonbeam. I believe he said it's design was that a creature must willingly enter to trigger the effect, otherwise it just harms them at the start of their turn. Otherwise moonbeam could harm a single creature multiple times a round, but I guess that's because you can move moonbeam.
JustMonica
Moonbeam, and spells similar to it, can harm a creature multiple times in a round. Because of the way it’s worded, the damage potential per round actually goes up the more creatures there are to take turns.
Damn, so gravity wizard isn't as good without a dip.
This build is such a troll. Like, most of its abilities are based around just being as annoying as possible, stopping an enemy from being able to move at all and just bullying them.
Very gnomish. :-P
i kinda find it stupid that paladins and rangers have to round down their levels and the artificer can round up his for calculating spell-slots. In my opinion, since tashas came out, artificer is not only the best multiclass for a wizard. Every half-caster and to some extend the sorcerer(although he would get his con-safe prof. anyway). Sure a 13 int on a paladin or ranger might raise some eyebrows but all the related skills like religion and nature base on intelligence. And now you have a 2nd-lvl spellcaster in a 3-rd lvl martial.
At 24:00 you picked the War Caster feat for your first ASI. Perfect choise but the argumentation is meh. And since EVERY artificer spell requires a material component, thieves' tools you can freely cast them as long as you hold onto your spellcasting focus. Besides having the problems to switch from an arcane focus to tools and reverse since
wizards use either foci or comonent pouches and the new kid is using the thief's reserve key.
You can perform somatic components of spells WITH the hand that handles the spellcasting focus/material componen of a spell. Under Components in the PHB p. 203 and clarified in the Sage Advise Compendium, here is the summary:
You can use the hand that handles the component/spellcasting focus to perform the somatic parts of a spell.
If the spell requires a component with a gold-cost of any kind, you need that component. Chromatic Orb i.e. needs a 50gp diamond, not consumed but needed as material.
If the spell does NOT require a material component you can not use the same hand that holds your spellcasting focus for the somatics, since it's not needed in the spellcasting process and therefore not giving you a "free" hand.
Longer version for the people who are still reading:
PHB p. 203
Component:
- Verbal (V):
Most spells require the chanting of mystic words. The words themselves aren't the source of the spell's power; rather, the particular combination of sounds, with specific pitch and resonance, set the threads of magic in motion. Thus, a character who is gagged in an an area of silence, such as one created by the silence spell, can't cast a spell with a verbal component.
-Somatic (S):
Spellcasting gestures might include a forceful gesticulation or an intricate set of gestures. If a spell requires a somatic component, the caster must have free use of at least one hand to perform these gestures.
-Material (M):
Casting some spells requires particular objects, specified in parentheses in the component entry. A character can use a component pouch or a spellcasting focus (found in chapter 5) in place of the componens specified for a spell. But if a cost is indicated for a component, a character must ahve taht specific component before he or she can cast the spell. If a spell states that a material component is consumed by the spell, the caster must provide this component for each casting of the spell. A spellcaster must have a hand free to access these components, but it can be the same hand that he or she uses to perform somatic components.
Sa-Compendium (2020, version 2.4):
Q: Does a spell consume its material components?
A: A spell doesn’t consume its material components unless its description says it does. For example, the pearl required by
the identify spell isn’t consumed, whereas the diamond required by raise dead is used up when you cast the spell.
Q: If a spell’s material components are consumed, can a spellcasting focus still be used in place of the consumed component?
A: No. A spellcasting focus can be used in place of a material component only if that component has no cost noted in the spell’s description and if that component isn’t consumed.
Q: What’s the amount of interaction needed to use a spellcasting focus? Does it have to be included in the somatic component?
A: If a spell has a material component, you need to handle that component when you cast the spell (PH, 203). The same rule applies if you’re using a spellcasting focus as the material component.
If a spell has a somatic component, you can use the hand that performs the somatic component to also handle the material component. For example, a wizard who uses an orb as a spellcasting focus could hold a quarterstaff in one hand and the orb in the other, and he could cast lightning bolt by using the orb as the spell’s material component and the orb hand to perform the spell’s somatic component. Another example: a cleric’s holy symbol is emblazoned on her shield. She likes to wade into melee combat with a mace in one hand and a shield in the other. She uses the holy symbol as her spellcasting focus, so she needs to have the shield in hand when she casts a cleric spell that has a material component. If the spell, such as aid, also has a somatic component, she can perform that component with the shield hand and keep holding the mace in the other. If the same cleric casts cure wounds, she needs to put the mace or the shield away, because that spell doesn’t have a material component but does have a somatic component. She’s going to need a free hand to make the spell’s gestures. If shshe had the War Caster feat, she could ignore this restriction.
And yes, i typed that stuff out from the phb, cause yay physical book XD.
Annoyingly, if you don't take a Dunemancer in dndbeyond, you don't get access to the spells even if you find a scroll in dndbeyond.
Yes, and I agree it's annoying. I had to get to level 2 in this build to take sapping sting even though it was going to be a dunamancy build.
I like web but I find it makes the combat un-fun for other players especially melee
Allies
A dislike ?!?
Some people hate fun ;)
Thinker's tools are 250 gold, the most expensive set in the book.
You can perform somatic components with the hand holding your focus even without warcaster; there was a tweet about that.
That thinking chair isn't gonna pay for itself, Steve
Tinkers tools are 50 gold
WexMajor82 You can perform somatic component with a focus in hand if the spell is VSM, but not if the spell is VS. It’s stupid but that’s the RAW.
You should make a wizard graviturgy build, not an artificer build
You have pretty eyes
I hate the new Graviturgy spells, IMO they are all stupid OP. I do not know how they got published in that state, most of them should all be at minimum one or two spell levels higher for all they can do.