I own a P7 M13 since about 28 years - this pistol is a absolutely perfect gun for lefthand shooters, you don´t even have a slide release lever. For trained shooters it is one of the best combat guns ever!!! Even the legendary German GSG-9 used it!
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate : 99% of viewers can't afford H&K's modern retro masterpiece, Jake LARPS as a family man and is awful at it, and *not* James Williamson is Brett Bunsen, who manages not to get shot this episode.....
@kevinC_ They’re $3700 for the one he has. That doesn’t count the $1200 suppressor or the $700 red dot. So $5800 as shown, with the tax stamp. Sure. Cheap.
@@downrangefuture6493 I just looked up the B&T suppressor he used and you can get one right now from Arms Unlimited for $420, also you can get the RMRcc from PSA right now for $527, so your numbers are off a little. The suppressor + tax stamp + optic only amount to $1147 compared to the $1900 you quoted, which gets you to a grand total of $4847 compared to the $5800 you quoted. It's still absurdly priced but about $1000 less absurd than the price you gave.
Pro Tip: Step 1, talk to the wife ad nauseum for a week about a $1200.00 SA 1911. Week 2/Step 2, show her an HK45 and its price & tell her you think its a better gun & a better deal. Step 3, buy the P7 Pro and tell her its a 9mm HK and 9 is cheaper than. 45. Then compliment her hair, makeup, outfit, or something. 😉
@@VTOC39not only is it a Xmas movie it's number 2 in IMDBs top 100 Xmas movies of all time list. Number 1 is it's a wonderful life. Sidenote: Lethal Weapon 1 is a Xmas movie too
I'm just happy to see someone who knows this pistol, actually approach it with due diligence. I worked on literally 102 of the P7M13's alone. I loved that pistol but where I was at in life, I couldn't afford one of my own. I'm okay with the fact they are expensive. And hearing him lay out what he has done just in footwork regarding the material science of this pistol has me feeling confident in my future purchase. Because I'll tell you as a pseudo expert on this pistol, and a fellow viewer just like the rest of you, he is 100% dialed in as I've done alot of this research myself. Bravo bud.
@@1911syndicate So, today I bought my first H&K: the VP9. And just when I’m happy and think I’ve arrived, you do a vid that basically tells me I could have bought a P7 and been much cooler. Thanks “Ginger Grinch!”
One of the coolest/best niche guns every made. I can say for certain the only people who will be buying these are p7 fanatics. If HK made these guns today they would easily be over $3500
Das kosten sie jetzt auch...aber Gebraucht...p7 ist die beste Pistole...Der was keine hat und keine Geschossen hat kann nicht mitreden... Gruß aus Austria....😊
Hard chromed, steel frame m13 would b cool as hell. I do appreciate u takin the time to point out issues that have cropped up but i still want one.... Hope my credit card doesnt get too mad at me over one of these
Back in 1998 i believe, I had a P7M8, I was into 40S&W then so I ordered the P7M10 (.40S&W). Took forever for it to come in from Germany. When I received it, I also ordered an extra magazine, so I had 3 10rd mags for it. My serial number was 000-014. I never even shot it. Got rid of it about 8 months later. I am kicking myself now for ever getting rid of it.
@@crosseightyeight Dude, you got me. Id buy guns like crazy and half the time never even load them. Now, im just down to basics. 2 AR's, one in .300 with the 9" barrel and one suppressed, a Springfield Operator (original, full dust cover from 2004) and a Glock 19.
Great call having Brett on he is great knowledge source to hear his engineering mind work and explain the gun etc. I have run into the same issue with RMRcc vs RMSC
Got a preconfigured p7m8 in August from Brett. Worked flawlessly out of box. I obtained an original hk version 10 years ago and it became my favorite.. Its great having a new one for EDC
Another great vid, you guys are knocking it out of the park. I owned a PSP which is the early model before the NJSP input for the M8 features. Fantastic pistol once you condition yourself to the manual of arms to run it effectively. I shoot monthly club matches (Steel Challenge) and shot that PSP P7 frequently. Guys nicknamed it the “Tactical Staplegun). The heat issue became apparent, and it was a big issue for a gun used in matches with a relatively high round count. Since the gas piston is directly above the trigger guard (as you describe), the heat created after shooting 5 strings/mags during each stage the gun was beyond uncomfortable. Reholstering after shooting wouldn’t allow it to cool and shooting the next stage was even worse, with accumulated heat I’d have to let it sit out with the slide retracted between stages. So it was a great pistol just not the tool for that shooting game. With that said, I’ve been following P7Pro for a while and am seriously considering ordering one in the near future.
I liked this video when it was mentioned that my wife told me to stop watching the 1911 syndicate. In reality, it's my mother yelling down to the basement the second she hears Jake's voice.
I so screwed up in the early 90's where I could've bought a P2 for $500. Such a cool pistol OMG I took a look at the price of this pistol, geeeeeeeeeeee Guess keep on dreaming of having one.
I've been carrying my P7M13 "Estelle" for 25+ years. Never let me down, whether on the range or real life and only on two minor cases needed parts replaced. I can highly recommend a sister of "Estelle" and would imagine that the updates would be highly beneficial!
Thank you for making this video. I used to EDC a P7 (I had two, one for carry, one for range) and I stopped because wear... i traded both of them for 1911 carry... Now I know I can go back,,,
Does anyone else remember the picture of the 10mm P7? It appeared to be nickel plated with a noticably chunkier slide. It appeared in alot of mags that covered 10mm. It was in the early 90s. It developed huge buzz. Then HK started talking 40 S&W. And it totally killed the buzz.
Another masterpiece of a video! BRAVO! And I am the guy who constantly busts on HK and their shills. The P7 was just there begging for an update! You could not pry them out of the NJ State Troopers hands once they were issued them. Great gun! Great story!
Nice video. Bought a “beater” P7M13 from SARCO a few years back, it’s my benchmark iron sight gun…no matter how good or bad a day I’m having, I’ll always be a tiny bit better with the P7. P7Pro’s been on my radar for a bit, there have been e-mails back and forth, and I’m barely a click away from ordering an aluminum-framed, traditional profile gun. Only thing I’m waffling on is threaded or unthreaded. Even with the issues James mentioned, I’m willing to be a beta tester.
I’m just starting the video, so maybe Jake covers it, but P7Pro has been developing it for years now. He built a small number of P7M8s from left over HK parts not too long ago. If I hadn’t just bought a P7 I’d probably have picked on up.
@@PatrickHenry-t1s He’s an active member on the message forum that starts with HK and ends with Pro. I’m afraid to post the name correctly in case YT decides to delete my reply
Another cool video! I love my P7PSP, but it's been relegate to mostly range and/or gun safe refuge. Getting a red dot and a suppressor on one would be fantastic to play with! I have noticed my P2 squeeze cocker is somewhat hard to squeeze these days. I wonder if it needs a trip to James over at teufelshundtactical?
@@1911syndicate Yep, my experience was similar to your friend's. The squeeze cocker would sometimes release the slide and usually cock the gun. Got a refund no questions.
Screw the gun content-I come to this channel for the watches. Nice Seiko “Arnie”! On the next video, you better be wearing either a Chronosport UDT *OR* a Breitling Aerospace …. !
I reeeally want a longslide, iron sights, Ti6Al4V slim M13 frame with the HK trigger guard and no 1913 rail. Not so sure I want to spend $5000 on a pistol...
I wonder if finding a way to adapt the frame to polymer and simplifying the slide design so it requires less machining time could drop the price substantially? Setting up the molds for polymer is expensive but scales much more than machining blocks of aluminum. While it wouldn’t be as much of a P7 it could be desirable. Maybe the polymer frame could house some sort of heat sink for the piston better than a metal frame
Scored an HK P7 in CA last week. Traced it back that it was brought in as a former Bundesnachrichtendienst BND duty gun that a Navy Seal had owned in the Sacramento area since 1993. Cool gun with cool history other than as part of import they had to laser off the BND emblem per import laws. If a gun could talk 😉. Still shoots great! Sending to James for some freshening and TLC. I’ll blame the Gray Room for this purchase but so happy I made it!
can you guys do a video on the Springfield Emissary AOS. maybe comparing it vs the Operator AOS. specifically the commander length versions. i would love to see what you guys think.
I am very interested if they can make it all work. I hope they partner with some good holster makers and mec-gar or someone that can make good mags so they will be a one stop shop.
Guns are cool now land is where it’s at I own 300 acres in the south and I keep stacking. Passive income over another gun in the safe easy choice. My 2 cents value it as horse shit… I don’t lust over guns I’m a surgeon and my wife’s a physician who loves guns invest in yourself then you can buy these guns with ease. No free lunch! I had 140 guns now I only have custom guns but more importantly passive income… I wish everyone all the best and these videos are phenomenal quality! I can’t say it enough invest in yourself first and foremost❤
Jake, on a side note, I have a government 5" Dan Wesson Vigil I plan to sell soon. Did you want to review it before I sell it? If so, how do we set that up? It only has approximately 350 rounds through it.
Crazy how on video the gun while suppressed doesn’t even look like it is reciprocating. Must be moving uber fast. The Alien took a number of these attributes and turned it upside down.
I just love that someone decided to do this and keep this wonderful platform alive. Well done, Sir.
I own a P7 M13 since about 28 years - this pistol is a absolutely perfect gun for lefthand shooters, you don´t even have a slide release lever.
For trained shooters it is one of the best combat guns ever!!! Even the legendary German GSG-9 used it!
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate : 99% of viewers can't afford H&K's modern retro masterpiece, Jake LARPS as a family man and is awful at it, and *not* James Williamson is Brett Bunsen, who manages not to get shot this episode.....
They are not that expensive.
@kevinC_ They’re $3700 for the one he has. That doesn’t count the $1200 suppressor or the $700 red dot. So $5800 as shown, with the tax stamp.
Sure. Cheap.
Why bitch about luxury items. Just don’t buy them. It’s not like a medical bill…
@@downrangefuture6493 I just looked up the B&T suppressor he used and you can get one right now from Arms Unlimited for $420, also you can get the RMRcc from PSA right now for $527, so your numbers are off a little. The suppressor + tax stamp + optic only amount to $1147 compared to the $1900 you quoted, which gets you to a grand total of $4847 compared to the $5800 you quoted.
It's still absurdly priced but about $1000 less absurd than the price you gave.
And they don’t work😊
Pro Tip: Step 1, talk to the wife ad nauseum for a week about a $1200.00 SA 1911. Week 2/Step 2, show her an HK45 and its price & tell her you think its a better gun & a better deal. Step 3, buy the P7 Pro and tell her its a 9mm HK and 9 is cheaper than. 45. Then compliment her hair, makeup, outfit, or something. 😉
Step 4 grow some balls !
It’s genius
Isn’t the P7 the gun of Hans Gruber?
Yes
Yes…And Die Hard is a Christmas movie
Yes
@ Damn right it is.
@@VTOC39not only is it a Xmas movie it's number 2 in IMDBs top 100 Xmas movies of all time list. Number 1 is it's a wonderful life.
Sidenote: Lethal Weapon 1 is a Xmas movie too
I'm just happy to see someone who knows this pistol, actually approach it with due diligence.
I worked on literally 102 of the P7M13's alone. I loved that pistol but where I was at in life, I couldn't afford one of my own.
I'm okay with the fact they are expensive. And hearing him lay out what he has done just in footwork regarding the material science of this pistol has me feeling confident in my future purchase.
Because I'll tell you as a pseudo expert on this pistol, and a fellow viewer just like the rest of you, he is 100% dialed in as I've done alot of this research myself.
Bravo bud.
🤘🏻
This reminds me of James saying, but Honey, “it’s piston driven”: right down to the music.
Hahaha it’s the same exact bit
@@1911syndicate So, today I bought my first H&K: the VP9. And just when I’m happy and think I’ve arrived, you do a vid that basically tells me I could have bought a P7 and been much cooler. Thanks “Ginger Grinch!”
One of the coolest/best niche guns every made. I can say for certain the only people who will be buying these are p7 fanatics. If HK made these guns today they would easily be over $3500
They def wouldn’t be cheap
Das kosten sie jetzt auch...aber Gebraucht...p7 ist die beste Pistole...Der was keine hat und keine Geschossen hat kann nicht mitreden... Gruß aus Austria....😊
Love the honesty always loved the P7 hope this takes off and the bugs get worked out.
Same
I still carry a P7 PSP. Other than the 8 round mag its a perfect pistol.
Hard chromed, steel frame m13 would b cool as hell. I do appreciate u takin the time to point out issues that have cropped up but i still want one.... Hope my credit card doesnt get too mad at me over one of these
Back in 1998 i believe, I had a P7M8, I was into 40S&W then so I ordered the P7M10 (.40S&W). Took forever for it to come in from Germany. When I received it, I also ordered an extra magazine, so I had 3 10rd mags for it. My serial number was 000-014. I never even shot it. Got rid of it about 8 months later. I am kicking myself now for ever getting rid of it.
Lol, why invest so much time and money into getting something you never took out of the box?
@@crosseightyeight Dude, you got me. Id buy guns like crazy and half the time never even load them. Now, im just down to basics. 2 AR's, one in .300 with the 9" barrel and one suppressed, a Springfield Operator (original, full dust cover from 2004) and a Glock 19.
Great call having Brett on he is great knowledge source to hear his engineering mind work and explain the gun etc. I have run into the same issue with RMRcc vs RMSC
I’ve been begging for exactly this gun forever
One of the single best openings to a RUclips video I’ve ever seen
That is just awesome! I hope he makes it H&K reliable.
You said "squeeze cocker" a lot, Jake!! Cool pistol, I'm glad someone is making it! Thanks for the video.
😂😂😂
Got a preconfigured p7m8 in August from Brett. Worked flawlessly out of box. I obtained an original hk version 10 years ago and it became my favorite.. Its great having a new one for EDC
Another great vid, you guys are knocking it out of the park.
I owned a PSP which is the early model before the NJSP input for the M8 features.
Fantastic pistol once you condition yourself to the manual of arms to run it effectively.
I shoot monthly club matches (Steel Challenge) and shot that PSP P7 frequently. Guys nicknamed it the “Tactical Staplegun).
The heat issue became apparent, and it was a big issue for a gun used in matches with a relatively high round count.
Since the gas piston is directly above the trigger guard (as you describe), the heat created after shooting 5 strings/mags during each stage the gun was beyond uncomfortable. Reholstering after shooting wouldn’t allow it to cool and shooting the next stage was even worse, with accumulated heat I’d have to let it sit out with the slide retracted between stages.
So it was a great pistol just not the tool for that shooting game.
With that said, I’ve been following P7Pro for a while and am seriously considering ordering one in the near future.
I liked this video when it was mentioned that my wife told me to stop watching the 1911 syndicate. In reality, it's my mother yelling down to the basement the second she hears Jake's voice.
Your mom sounds cool
I so screwed up in the early 90's where I could've bought a P2 for $500. Such a cool pistol
OMG I took a look at the price of this pistol, geeeeeeeeeeee Guess keep on dreaming of having one.
Jake goes full send and I'm here for it!
Jake, you need a Spin-off RUclips channel called the P7 syndicate because these are BadAss.
I live in Austin and Brett tests the pistols at the range I go for practice! I can't wait to take delivery of a new P7 M8!
Optic is up there just beating itself off... So we're both having fun.
Walked into that one lol
Arguably the best looking pistol out there
P 7 was my dream gun 30 years ago. Still is❤
I've been carrying my P7M13 "Estelle" for 25+ years.
Never let me down, whether on the range or real life and only on two minor cases needed parts replaced.
I can highly recommend a sister of "Estelle" and would imagine that the updates would be highly beneficial!
HK needs to bring P7 back to production.
P7 looks like a gun James Bond would carry.
I've wanted a P7 as a tuxedo/bbq gun for a while. They're just cool.
I WILL get me one of these (HK P7) due to me being 1) a true HK Man...2) It's the coolest handgun of its time!
Can't wait for ours to land! Great review 🤘🏼
The P7 should be an A-List movie star.
Thank you for making this video. I used to EDC a P7 (I had two, one for carry, one for range) and I stopped because wear... i traded both of them for 1911 carry... Now I know I can go back,,,
Dumb move
Nice move boomer.
Does anyone else remember the picture of the 10mm P7? It appeared to be nickel plated with a noticably chunkier slide. It appeared in alot of mags that covered 10mm. It was in the early 90s. It developed huge buzz. Then HK started talking 40 S&W. And it totally killed the buzz.
I wish they get the issues fixed. Currently looking for a CCW 9mm and a P7 is #1 on the list.
Another masterpiece of a video! BRAVO! And I am the guy who constantly busts on HK and their shills. The P7 was just there begging for an update! You could not pry them out of the NJ State Troopers hands once they were issued them. Great gun! Great story!
Thank you
Nice video. Bought a “beater” P7M13 from SARCO a few years back, it’s my benchmark iron sight gun…no matter how good or bad a day I’m having, I’ll always be a tiny bit better with the P7.
P7Pro’s been on my radar for a bit, there have been e-mails back and forth, and I’m barely a click away from ordering an aluminum-framed, traditional profile gun. Only thing I’m waffling on is threaded or unthreaded. Even with the issues James mentioned, I’m willing to be a beta tester.
I just commented a few weeks ago they need to make a modern P7 wtf. God does answer prayers
He’s out thrrr
I’m just starting the video, so maybe Jake covers it, but P7Pro has been developing it for years now. He built a small number of P7M8s from left over HK parts not too long ago. If I hadn’t just bought a P7 I’d probably have picked on up.
@@NewbombedTurk I never knew about this. I def have it added to the list, hopefully the kinks get worked out.
@@PatrickHenry-t1s He’s an active member on the message forum that starts with HK and ends with Pro. I’m afraid to post the name correctly in case YT decides to delete my reply
@@NewbombedTurk I gotchu thanks
Both the vz and the p7 are the baddest things ive seen on the Internet in awhile
HK was again head of its time with this gun. I reckon we will see some of these design features show up on new compact pistols.
Do a mud test!!! I bet the P7 will do exceptionell well (because no locking surfaces).
Greetings from a german cop!
Another cool video! I love my P7PSP, but it's been relegate to mostly range and/or gun safe refuge. Getting a red dot and a suppressor on one would be fantastic to play with! I have noticed my P2 squeeze cocker is somewhat hard to squeeze these days. I wonder if it needs a trip to James over at teufelshundtactical?
The opening of this video is straight court of law testimony.
As much as I want it, im going to have to wait until after law school to buy this one.
Second!! Been waiting on a review of these!!! 🎉🎉🎉
I owned one of these (the new version) and it never ran reliably despite sending it back several times. The originals run much better.
Hmmm. Yea we discuss some issues mid video
@@1911syndicate Yep, my experience was similar to your friend's. The squeeze cocker would sometimes release the slide and usually cock the gun. Got a refund no questions.
seeing the suppressor not move is weird at first glance. great mod, great gun, great video. thx!
🤙🏻
“Squozed” 👌🏼😂
It’s a thing
Jesus. Must buy. When does the m13 slim frame drop? That one will be an instant buy for me, even pre order
I’m here and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one ❤
Screw the gun content-I come to this channel for the watches. Nice Seiko “Arnie”! On the next video, you better be wearing either a Chronosport UDT *OR* a Breitling Aerospace …. !
Dammit, after I got my p7m13 i thought I scratched that itch.... but seeing it with a rail, optic and supp... dammit im itchy again.
Nice suit. John Phillips, London. I have two myself. Rumor has it Arafat buys his there. 😑
Me, after a bowl of chili. 😄
My reason for buying the P7pro, is that I want to have a daily carry without the stress of carrying the original collector HKP7
I appreciate the video 👍🏻
I could write a book about why suppression functions so well with the P7 compared to a traditional modified Browning action pistol.
Super cool this is being made. Not sure I would do an optic cut though….seems a bit out of place and not surprised it might cause issues.
Just handled a P7 for the first time today. It was very nice but idk if the price tag is justified.
I reeeally want a longslide, iron sights, Ti6Al4V slim M13 frame with the HK trigger guard and no 1913 rail. Not so sure I want to spend $5000 on a pistol...
OK Jake, where did you source your ball cap? I’ve noticed it in several videos.
Geneva seal. Watch shop in Chicago
I wonder if finding a way to adapt the frame to polymer and simplifying the slide design so it requires less machining time could drop the price substantially? Setting up the molds for polymer is expensive but scales much more than machining blocks of aluminum. While it wouldn’t be as much of a P7 it could be desirable. Maybe the polymer frame could house some sort of heat sink for the piston better than a metal frame
Scored an HK P7 in CA last week. Traced it back that it was brought in as a former Bundesnachrichtendienst BND duty gun that a Navy Seal had owned in the Sacramento area since 1993. Cool gun with cool history other than as part of import they had to laser off the BND emblem per import laws. If a gun could talk 😉. Still shoots great! Sending to James for some freshening and TLC. I’ll blame the Gray Room for this purchase but so happy I made it!
That is rad!
can you guys do a video on the Springfield Emissary AOS. maybe comparing it vs the Operator AOS. specifically the commander length versions. i would love to see what you guys think.
I can't even afford to watch this
Hahaha
I do not see a black slide option on the website, am I missing something?
Cool stuff
2:00 in....just wind me up and point me in the right direction.
I am very interested if they can make it all work. I hope they partner with some good holster makers and mec-gar or someone that can make good mags so they will be a one stop shop.
what holster is he using for the suppressed 2011?
QVO
I told her if I can't watch jake fantasize and overspend, she's sleeping in her 86 buick.
Guns are cool now land is where it’s at I own 300 acres in the south and I keep stacking. Passive income over another gun in the safe easy choice. My 2 cents value it as horse shit… I don’t lust over guns I’m a surgeon and my wife’s a physician who loves guns invest in yourself then you can buy these guns with ease. No free lunch! I had 140 guns now I only have custom guns but more importantly passive income… I wish everyone all the best and these videos are phenomenal quality! I can’t say it enough invest in yourself first and foremost❤
You should have a Milly subs for these productions. “D list RUclipsr” 😂😂😂
Having owned a P7PSP for over 10 years, other than needing to swap out the night sights for new, nothing to change. Just not a long range day gun.
Jake, on a side note, I have a government 5" Dan Wesson Vigil I plan to sell soon. Did you want to review it before I sell it? If so, how do we set that up? It only has approximately 350 rounds through it.
I'd be happy if they made a new M8 magazine. Beat up used ones are over 100 bucks and the only other option I've seen are the horrible Pro-Mags.
Pro mag has never done a thing well
The P7 is not just a handgun. It is a gentleman's accessory. One has to dress to the occasion in order to merit its companion.
Is that slide faster than normal?
P7 slides are extremely fast. Added back pressure likely increased it
Cool video, as much as I like the content here, I often wonder is the name appropriate? HK Syndicate maybe a better name for yall.
Haha it’s seasonal. October through January we’ve got a lot of HK
a carry p7 for 500 bucks is kinda what the market wants
that pause at 13:14 about killed me
This cool dude Brett looks like the guy from Whose Line is it Anyway. 🙂
Delay gas block sends more through the mod and piston.
Laugo Alien vs P7 Pro match. The clock don’t lie
It's not apples to apples when you're using two different suppressors
Of course not. But what we’re hearing in person is still very different. The P7 os not cracking the sound barrier
@@1911syndicateif you are using Blazer Brass, it may never break the sound barrier.
FIRST 😁
Probably the most underrated channel gun channel on RUclips.
You beat the AZ Yeti 😂
It actually is, not probably
@@BrianKern2121😂😂😂😂 dang dude I’m dropping the ball
Thanks brother
my suggestion for the m13 slim model name... M13 USA (Ultra Slim Adaptation)
Love the HK p7 every time I look at it it reminds me that movie die hard 👍👍👍👍👍
Wondering if this channel should be called " HK Syndicate "
I still kick myself for selling my P7M8 in the 90’s
I still have mine!
I remember 25 years ago when the P7M8 was readily available for sub $1K and the Poors still complained
Sooo...P7 vs P210 vs 1911 vs High Power. Vote as a comment
1911 duh bro
Crazy how on video the gun while suppressed doesn’t even look like it is reciprocating. Must be moving uber fast. The Alien took a number of these attributes and turned it upside down.
It moves insanely fast. That’s also why optic mounting is very tricky
Imagine my shock when an SD barrel that makes the bullet subsonic is quieter than a supersonic bullet...
I’m pretty the barrel is not ported to make it a true SD
He's like I'm cool being a shill for HK
It’s not even an HK
The HK P7M13 was carried by U.S. Park Police.
IM ALL IN... where when etc..
Crispy is now known as Crisp with the visual growth! Magnific Gents! 🤌🏼
Thanks for watching dude 👊🏼