He taps his foot just while casually waiting at a stop sign too. Seems that's meant to show he's just generally anxious/hyperactive, especially with how after getting cyberware that's supposed to be dangerously overstimulating he mentions how it feels better than his own body.
@@tfg_0036 yeah exactly my theory too. It's interesting to think about how neurodivergence would affect cyberware; ADHD might handle overstimulation better than most, and Adam's psychopathy let him sidestep cyberpsychosis completely. I also think Lucy might've been autistic, and that was what was identified in her childhood "proficiency test" for becoming a netrunner. The creator also brought up V avoiding cyberpsychosis by having another psyche in his head, which makes me wonder how someone with DID would fare.
@@tfg_0036 That could be really interesting, and could explain how he is much calmer and mire collected in ep. 7 and onward. All the chrome could be taking up a lot of the bandwidth in his brain.
@@MisterCynic18 I could easily see Lucy being on the autistic spectrum. Whilst not an official diagnosis, she may put up that cold front because she wants to avoid/ doesn't know how to deal with complex emotions (because as was said in a later video, people who act like this tend to also grow incredibly attached to whomever they do let it). Granted, her emotional distance could just be trauma related, as opposed to any neurodivergence conditions. Her attitude with tech and lack of communication skills doesn't necessarily mean that she's on the spectrum, as she seems to understand the social context of things very well. She just doesn't engage because she doesn't want to get hurt, as opposed to actually finding social interactions difficult.
Georgia you should consider doing an episode on Cyberpsychosis, as it drives the story for both the series as well as the game. I would like to hear your thoughts about it.
Keeping in mind there is the very real possibility that cyberpsychosis is manufactured by a megacorp (I think arasaka or militech) because they do that planned obsolescence thing, but also are the main contractor for MaxTac
@@RealJohnnyAngel Nah, killing your customers and scaring away potential new ones doesn't sound like a very good marketing strategy and is most likely an acceptable side-effect/cost of doing business in a new sector. Cyberpsychosis is more a statement on humanity and the soul via a sort of ship of Theseus metaphor.
i prefer the idea that a cyberpsychosis "disease" does not exist. it is simply how human mind reacts when one can easily replace "weak" flesh with better chrome. you lose the ability to empathise. cyberpsycho hunt questline in the game supports this idea. as you rummage through psychos' lives it becomes apparent that all of them were in some way forced into a corner in their lives and they saw chroming out their bodies/killing everyone as their only option. I love this game
Based on the description given by the creator of cyberpunk, there is a lot of similarities between cyberpsychosis and Complex PTSD: loss of empathy, hypervigilance, heightened mood swings, aggressive behavior, and dissociation. If it's the result of loving in an uncaring city, with low of no connection with others or support, and the excessive violence and danger in Night City. But the megacorps label it as a psychosis and fault of character so that they can justify not carrying it doing anything to help. This is also why ex-military and the poor are more likely to develop it.
This is the perfect example of using pop culture as a gateway to provide educative content: We were deeply invested in the characters of the show, so a therapy analysis of what is going on behind the scenes is not only something people would easily be interested in, but it also shows that the makers of the show put in effort. Kudos. Subscribed.
@@GeorgiaDow i bet many will find your videos helpful in even attempting to understand what this anime explored, I know I did since a lot can be gloried or mistaken for just a thing that happens and is ignored.
Overall a major part of David's character is that he never follows his own dreams, never really has a goal he wants. He just runs towards other people's goals throughout the entire show, from his mom's, to Maine's and finally Lucy's. Although, totally recommend watching this show dubbed instead of subbed! They use a lot of in universe slang in the dub. I genuinely think it's the way the show is meant to be watched.
I really disliked the sub it was so over exaggerated in moments that didn’t need it. The dub was much better with Matthew mercer and gincarlito esposito. I couldn’t get emotionaly invested or care at all watching in the sub.
I'd argue it's because he never got to have a dream of his own. He was just a kid at the start and then got swept up in the moving lives of others after the accident. It's a big theme of the genre that humanity has lost primacy and everyone from the top to the bottom is a slave to the system somehow. You see this with characters like Faraday, who, even with all his clout, is still just a street rat to the big corpos; or even the Arasaka family from the game is trapped under their dad -- who is subsequently trapped my mortality and legacy. No one has freedom, so when a street rat teen is asked what his dreams are, like, what even is there to dream of? A dream -- hope -- is one of the valuable things in the genre and I find it no surprise that David latches onto any dream he can. The dreams he finds are also the sorts of things that I think he'd value in the moment. At first he lives his mom's dream because they're all they've got. Then he lives out Maine's dream for power and control after he lost all of his. Then I think he lived for Lucy not necessarily simply out of affection, but I think also because he had all this power and yet he couldn't fix her/her problems and the more she pushed him away, the more attached he became as a manifestation of his oppositional nature.
Yes is true but it show that sometimes this is enough. You dont need have big dreams or purpose becouse life itself and people near you is sometimes only thing that is important.
I would love to see another episode covering David. SPOILER ALERT: He is oppositionally defiant, but something the series kept touching on is how he doesn’t have his own dream. He went to that school because his mom wanted him to, he led the Edgerunners because Maine told him to keep running, and at the end he told Lucy his dream was for Lucy to achieve hers. Seems like a dichotomy to me but I’m sure I’m wrong.
Layman’s perspective here but Id say what prevent it from being a dichotomy is that while it may not be his dream - it is his choice to pursue the aspirations of those he respected and cared for.
Yeah, they're still young, so it makes sense that they have not realized their own dream yet... I am not much informed about child growth... but yeah... I suspect that the lack of parental interactions since their father is gone and their mother is mostly busy working... that made David a lot less developed to become an individual of their own... they mostly just absorb the dreams of someone they love, or looks up to.
My mom is a therapist and she's always praised me for "being so ****ing stubborn, it will suit you well in life". Kinda sounds similar to what you're talking about.
As someone with ADHD/ODD, THANK YOU so much for this! It’s so hard to parent my son sometimes because I passed it onto him, but knowing what’s going on has helped so much, because I can talk through our struggles with him and help him understand how to avoid some of the pitfalls and access some of the strengths of this condition. Being aware of when things come off as a challenge unintentionally can help us avoid triggering authority figures and help us keep our cool when someone might otherwise set us off. Learning how to recognize what’s happening in our minds can help us detach just enough to sometimes be able to change course before things get out of hand. And understanding that sometimes we’re the ones who others will look to to stand up for justice helps us look for ways to channel our defiance in beneficial and healthy ways and remove the shame and stigma that comes from being “punks”. Struthless recently did a video on harnessing your “dark why” to get things done, and spite is an absolutely valid motivator sometimes Dave Pilkey famously made his living off the same Dog-Man and Captain Underpants books his former teachers used as evidence that he would never amount to anything.
David is a fantastic character. He gets led around by the wants of others and when the world deals him a bad hand he just pushes back as hard as he can to try and fulfill other people’s expectations. It’s so tragic that his last moments with his mother were so brief. He didn’t know it was the end and it haunts him to his core. All of it conveyed through his actions and his wants even in an extremely altered state of mind. Trigger did an exceptional job as always
I really like that Cyberpsychosis is a bigger theme in the show than it was in the game. They both benefit from each other greatly in terms of worldbuilding and context.
It’s functionally different in the game than it is in the show. The show presents it as more an inevitable fate befallen by those who chrome themselves out too much. In the game it’s presented more like a PTSD response from people who have reached the brink. I assume that’s why corpo characters like Takemura and Oda aren’t suceptible despite all their implants. There is even allusion to the fact that some of the cyber psychos experience a sort of disassociation from their body after replacing most of it with chrome.
@@charlywzrd Its already been explained by the author of Cyberpunk in his reddit post. It's essentially a mental tolerance just like alcohol, everyone's tolerance is different and depends on their mental situation. Thats the gist of it but it's explained more deeply in the Mike's post.
@@charlywzrd From sensory deprivation via the implants. Poor implantation work done by shady Ripper Docs that can end-up messing with the user's nervous system and mind. To the user being subjected to traumatic mind-numbing stress before, during and after they get implanted. Whilst the implants play a massive role, I don't think cyberware is the sole thing that causes it. It's a spectrum of implants combined with whatever environmental conditions their user is exposed to.
@@charlywzrd From what I understand it's effectively PTSD in both cases, that's why in ttrpg it's your 'humanity' stat that governs how much chrome you can put in before going psycho. Humanity is your ability to relate to others, the reason people go psycho is not chrome (at least not alone) it's chrome and the city finally breaking the person. In the show we only start to see David go psycho after he goes 'numb' to things like killing combined with heavily chroming up. The 'it's all too much chrome' is apparently only a copout corpo answer so they don't have to be responsible for the fact it's them that effectively created cyberpsychosis. Which is why going back on chrome and therapy are how you avoid cyberpsychosis if you get close to it.
I really hope you analyze the rest of this show and its characters!! Also, David's oppositional defiance is DEFINITELY a driving factor of the entire story!
@@lancelottrivino2273, just because he's a straight A student doesn't make him some sort of genius incapable of making poor choices. Not to mention, he was morbidly depressed because people he cared about kept dying on him.
i highly appreciate the amount of detail and effort that goes into your presentation, not only just on the video & analysis side, but stuff like character cosplays & even the small details like the painted on ports, or just cosplays from other series & videos as well. it's clear a lot of effort and thought goes into these videos and you're awesome for creating them
that is so heartwarming that you notice and appreciate the thought that I place in the videos. I really enjoy doing it and having people notice the little parts makes it so worth while. So thank you for appreciating and taking the time to share it with me.
Oh cool, my favorite Psych RUclipsr is examining the series that has traumatized me more than any other. Interested in seeing all your observations about this series.
@@GeorgiaDow I may have some commentary in the comments on the final episode. It made me cry harder and feel more depressed than any other show or movie ever has. I relate to David and Lucy way too much in all the wrong ways.
Damn... in just 10 minutes i got my entire teenage life explained so clearly. Now it all makes sense. Wish i had someone explained that to me some 15-20 years ago. One thing i clearly remember that made me really frustrated ever since i was a kid actually was why i have to follow other people's solution to problem. Why i couldn't use my own way if it reaches the end result even faster. Felt absolutely frustrating. MAybe that's why i don't have any fond memories of the school or even the university. I always saw them not as institutions to educate and develop you, but as the exact opposite - make you fit the norm and comply with the system, by not letting you think uncoventionally.
I clicked on this for the entertainment, but I feel almost naked like she's talking about me. I didn't even consider myself as someone relatable to David. The more she talks about the traits and mindset of these types of people I'm looking back and identifying way more than I'd like. Thanks for making this video.
Maybe it's not that David didn't have his own dream. But rather to help others make theirs reality. He couldn't do that with his mom. He couldn't help with Maine. But he eventually does with being able to send Lucy to the moon. He just saw the value in all their dreams and how worthy each one is.
This is actually a very interesting analysis because I was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder since I was around 7 or 8 years old, on top of ADHD. There's a lot that resonated with me from your analysis of David and honestly almost brought me to tears, giving me answers that I never thought I'd get.
5:40 The clip just shows David starting a fight but with the full footage he tried multiple times times to walk past his bully and leave while getting blocked, before trading blows
I've already told people that shaking my leg helps me think. I also do it when I'm uncomfortable but it's great to hear it does infact help process many thoughts!
You did Cyberpunk!! told you before, will tell you again.. the game is a gold mine for psychoanalysis. really really wish to see your take on Johnny Silverhand (Keanu Reeves) next :)
Well... to analyze Johnny, she'd have to play the game. Playing an openworld action rpg for a 120 hours is a bit different than watching an anime that's like 200 minutes long. That being said, I'd really like to hear her opinion.
I think you got one thing wrong here. Often, for oppositional people (myself included) the response to people not believing you can't do something isn't to just buckle down and get your proper education. David's reaction was more realistic. Oppositional people aren't *stupid* . They're not gonna fall for reverse psychology and suddenly become a scholar because someone doubts that they can. More often than not, they're simply going to lash out instead, especially when in a state of anger. Because to tell you the truth, even if David were to buckle down here and flawlessly go through school, he would have still felt like the lapdog of not just the bullies, but also the principal and other present authority figures. In situations like those, the only choice that one feels is best is to lash out against all expectations. The principal *expects* David to behave, in fact, he hopes he does. That's what everyone's been trying to get him to do.
I think you actually helped me realize a lot I’ve never thought about my mother, myself, and siblings, and plenty of anxiety ridden friends I’ve grown up with. Very good video! Thank you!
I had that as kid, then Conduct Disorder and since I became adult, I got diagnosed with Antisocial personality disorder, thankfully Im smart enough and managed to turn it into high functioning. It's still no vacation havin it, I'm 35 and struggling but it has some interesting aspects, as you mentioned with ODD (but, even more intense). Bet you know what I mean. Good video and great anime, I might be bit biased cause I'm Polish but yeah. Have a sub.
"That feeling of spite can keep them going for many many years" As an oppositional person, I really feel that. (For context, germany has a school system with 3 graduation ways. Basic after 9 years, medium after 10 and high after 12 years, and only the last one can get you to college) In my school I wanted to repeat the 10th school year to improve my performance and try for the high graduation. My teacher dismissed the request because "you wouldn't make it anyways". So i graduated after 10 years and did an apprenticeship for 3 years which then qualified me to go back to school and get the additional education at a school for adults. I wish I could just push my degree into the face of my old teacher and say "see, you old B'stard, i did it."
What is often miss understood about being a punk, is it's not about doing the opposite of what's expected, that's just kicking and screaming cuz you just don't wanna. Rather, it's owning the reprocussions of your choices whether good or bad, in defiance of authority. Intelligence is a big part of it, used anticipate those potential reprocussions, making an active choice, and choosing to bare the weight with pride regardless of the outcome. It also helps keep ones emotions in check so the world around you doesn't subcontiously motivate (which is a constant struggle). It's extreme ownership, allowing you to be in the world but not of it. The Twisted Sister trial is a great example of this. Optional Defiance, I believe is to romanticized. Yes, it creates a an independent mind, but all to often people don't control it, it controls them, therefore, they're controlled by the world. Submitting to impulse.
only just found this. I have ODD. Thank you. this is only video I've ever seen on it that tries to connect the disorder to the person, as a person, and not as a problem. As a teen I struggled so hard with rules and authority. Now as a young adult I still struggle with it, but tend to be able to trick myself into a work around. An objective look at myself is something I value greatly, and that has been something I've never been able to fully grasp. this video was so incredibly helpful and amazing and describes how I handle things so well. Thank you for making this video.
Oh buddy, I absolutely loved all of your arcane stuff and in my honest opinion this is the best thing to come out animation-wise since arcane. Gonna love all the edge runner videos you do I just feel it.
I have ODD! It showed up pretty much when I started 1st grade (along with many of my other mental issues). Honestly, for me, other people telling me how I should live my life and how I should behave feels like my intelligence and understanding of a situation is being disrespected. I have understood that actions have consequences long before most kids do so discipline just felt like extra consequences when I was a kid. I'm 31 now and still would rather do my own thing rather than taking (unsolicited) advice despite what that may lead to. If I end up in a bad situation because I put myself there I will have no one else to blame and can recognize it as my own mistake. If I do something that someone else makes me do and bad things happen I will blame that person to an extreme level; I will feel like THEY hurt me directly regardless of their intentions and that they deserve for me to hurt them to "even the score"(I'm an adult now and cognitively understand that isn't how things work).
I think i might have it too since both the symptoms of ODD and david’s character both resonate with me a lot. I definitely see myself in some of the things she listed. But i don’t want to have it… How will i know if i have it or not? How do i go about this?
@@Yoran_w I was diagnosed by a nueropsychologist in an all day nueropsych test in 2nd grade after my parents got a note from my teachers about potentially having ADHD (I am diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, Asperger's Syndrome, PTSD, BPD, and Dyslexia). My nueropsych caught my ADHD, Dyslexia, and ODD. Honestly, I'd recommend speaking with your PCP/GP about your concerns. I do feel I should mention that idk if there is any treatment for ODD; the most I know is primarily teaching the person's parents how to teach their child right from wrong. We typically thrive on a rewards based system for our good behaviors and completely ignoring our bad behaviors. That being said oppositional traits are common with many different disorders. Some disorders that have oppositional traits are Reactive Attachment Disorder (a trauma disorder developed from SEVERE neglect in childhood), Autism, ADHD, and ODD (obviously) at the least. Definitely speak with a doctor about your concerns.
I've just realised how much oppositional defiant I was basically since elementary school to very end of junior high school. I was a misfit and a target of everyday bulliyng just because I had different approach towards school from class group leader who was very good at sports and was mocking me for being below average at it but he was absolutely bottom end in everything else when I was above average. Luckily in high school after so many years we managed to be a kind on the same page and I even drove him home a lot of times. Now being 29 years old we can have a normal talk but we both know that we will never go to pub togheter way too much has happened between us before. Georgia have you seen music video for "Let you down" song from Edgerunners? In only 4 minutes they told a tragic story of a new character Sasha, not gonna lie I got my eyes wet in the end when I watched it for the first time.
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners," though brief, is crafted with such profound detail and storytelling mastery that it feels like a gift that continues to unfold. The series manages to deliver an extensive narrative experience within its short runtime, drawing viewers in with its intricate character development, layered themes, and compelling plot. Each episode offers new layers of meaning and emotional depth, making the series a rich and enduring experience. Great content
Until you've done what you call "Problem Solving", its called "finding a way to kill your demons, without doing more harm to yourself". Its one of those moments that hits me harder than most other traumatizing moments that are presented to us. Feeling backed into a corner when life has punched you in the gut too many times is real feels.
^ Watching David just tap his foot as he spins through all the furious thoughts trapped inside his head because he knows there's nothing he can do is something I can _feel_ from how much personal experience I have
David as a character really speaks to me. I myself am very oppositional to a point where I did what many others in our company would never dare doing... I challenged my supervisor in a 2 hour long debate of how I see my current position and my future at the company and what role I see in him as my enabler and how he is failing in doing so. I was dancing on saber's edge, close to being fired... But I won. And I keep on being a pain to him by bringing myself in key positions you may only enter by being an empathetic and likeable person. As long as I can think, the moments someone doubted me were the ones I would thrive the most. I would go above and beyond to not only prove them wrong but outright pulverize their image of me. And deep down I know, someday I will accomplish something great. I just know it...
2:06 I just recently had a Disability Determination form ask me how I get along with authority and my honest answer was "Fine, when I feel the authority is deserved...otherwise very _very_ poorly." 😓 The idea of 'oppositional defiance as a superpower' has very much been a part of my lived experience, even if I didn't know the words to put to it until now. A lot of the things I do, I approach in what turn out to be _very novel ways_ just because they make the most sense to me. Ways which often succeed despite far more knowledgeable/experienced individuals telling me they shouldn't. "Just trust me on this." isn't an answer, guy. I see no reason why it shouldn't work, so I'm going to keep trying it _my_ way. Oh look, it worked, _and_ my way was easier. _Stuff it._ 🤨 8:27 I've had those moments. _Nothing ventured, nothing gained._
Shaking the leg - is also for thinking! Yes, thank you! I had a tendancy to shake a leg, an arm, or other, but all I heard "You're anxious, don't deny, I see it." I have energy in my mind! I am impatient to go on! Or I am excited! Or else than anxious!
As someone who has been diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder as a teen I (ironically) resent the idea that rebelling against authority that doesn't respect you as a human being is some sort of disorder. It's the appropriate response. So often people are stuck in abusive or traumatic situations, and the response that is expected from society is polite, quiet sadness. When someone reacts with righteous anger at being mistreated or actively tries to fight the injustices facing them suddenly they're the ones being disruptive. That's literally what being punk is all about, rejecting the judgement of society, making your own rules for how to live your life, and acknowledging that respect is a two-way street; if you give none, you will recieve none.
This video surprised me, every point about this oppositional defiance made me self reflect in my life. If I was talked down to I did the same, if teachers yelled at me I did the same, every day I was made out to be the black sheep so I embraced being the black sheep, it got so bad with school and family I lost my empathy, violence was common thing in high school but meeting kind and caring people that weren't trying control me at every day, I felt emotions for the people that care about me and now threw trust and love I care about them.
Well I came here expecting an overview of his traits and a dive on cyberpsychosis but got a diagnosis instead.. Decades of being sent to the principal, going to less conventional schools, taking less conventional electives / jobs, being forced to go to behavioral therapists.. Never once in my life had I heard mention of this condition, would have made things a lot easier if I could have pointed people to it. “This is how I am, I’d prefer to have a productive relationship with you but coming at me the wrong way will have automatic, unavoidable, usually disastrous results.” I’ve understood this about myself since I was a child and have tried explaining it to little success. It’s as beneficial as it is destructive, as isolating as it is liberating; I wouldn’t give it up if I had the choice but there’s a lot of regrets I have as a result. Knowing about this should curb these interactions provided I can intercept and the person cares enough to look into it. Thank you for making this video, I’ve been forced to see a lot of professionals over the years and not one has given me the information your video about an anime character managed to do in a few minutes.
Thanks so much that is a huge compliment and it is what I hope to accomplish. I am sorry you didnt find out more about yourself when you were younger but hopefully you are living a good happy life now and maybe this can help you going forward. Thanks for being a a part of my channel and sharing your story with us.
Morning Georgia = ) I must say, you look better in a suit than I do...and yours fits you better! I have had run ins with many oppositionally defiant people. The anger they view as their strength leads them to be easily defeated if they attack...and VERY easily manipulated by others...like cattle being led around by a ring through their nose. Making them lose the VERY control they seek. I more thoughtfully, selectfully defiant. I respect authority until it does something stupid. Then I call them on it.
Oooo, didn't expect you to cover this! I'll defo keep an eye out whenever you drop more edgerunners content in the future. Can't wait for the character analysis of all the gang! Becca especially 😊
I could literally learn something about myself in this video. I wonder if you know what is going on with me kinda: When i got older i got this defiant, and hostile behavior towards parents, teachers, and other authority figures. I always tent to refuse to obey instructions or to do what people want you to do. Mostly when i got told to do things in a disrespectful manner. Thanks for helping me learn more about my behavior that ive started showing than older i got.!
Wonderful video as always, Georgia! You always have my thinking about specific roles and outcomes with these topics, and how they can portray a great story!
TIL [at 25] that I'm incredibly Oppositionally Defiant. I've always had a very, very hard time "just following instructions" from someone I don't already respect. I have always provided opposition when commanded to do something, demanding reasoning before I take any action and refusing to act if the reasoning is "because I said so". Its incredibly empowering to have a name to the phenomena.
I got the demand avoidance profile of autism plus ADHD and while it's not as obvious as ODD, I resonate a lot with the resistance to demands. When something makes no sense to me or I don't wish to do something that brings me no positive feedback (almost anything, given my executive dysfunction is so low I hit ny limit pretty early) I feel overwhelmed and I just give up. People always tell me they don't understand how I'm such an underachiever if I'm 'so smart'. Welp.
With having ADHD I'm constantly tapping my toe or fingers on something to whatever beat is going through my head.. And basically from the moment i get up my head is an endless cycle of randomness till i can passout. But I kinda felt like David may have been on that spectrum as well.. or borderline.
Are you going to be looking at cyberpsychosis in general? The creator of Cyberpunk, Mike Pondsmith, has said a few things on reddit clarifying his view of the condition. There's also lore in the video game to look at too, mostly how there is no single cause for cyberpsychosis. It's a host of issues like drug use(chronic and/or a bad batch), PTSD, being modified against their will, faulty/experimental cyberware, suffering a severe physical or emotional trauma, etc. combined with the afflicted having a multitude of weapons or weapon-like functions integrated into their body.
So many gold mine characters. David, Maine, Lucy, Rebecca, and Kiwi come to mind in the show. Game wise I would say Johnny is the biggest dumpster fire, though V's reaction to their impending death is certainly something to take in mind.
Not done the game yet but I really like Johnny. Especially later on when he admits that all the people he considered friends hated being in the same room as him and that he used and threw out all of them on a whim just to satisfy his narcissism. Really interesting character
Oh, shit. You just described me. I managed to grow out some negative aspects like the anger, but I definitely still carry many traits like not wanting to conform to society rules.
In the world of Cyberpunk being oppositional to the monstrous way society is run is completely rational. Oppositional Defiance “disorder” is only classified that way because rebels are disruptive. ADD is only a “disorder” for the same reason. Either way, modern psychology seems often more concerned with making people conform with societal norms than understanding the root of so-called disorders. If you see injustice all around you those that stand idly by and ignore it to avoid making waves are the real ones with a disorder.
Did .... did you paint shard slots on your neck? :-O Tell me you have painted a personal port on your hand as well and I will squeel. XDDD Omg Georgia, I ADORE your cosplays!
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and House of the Dragon are the top shows of the year for me so far. I hope for more Edgerunners analysis as well as House of the Dragon, more specifically on Alicent because most people think her only motivation in hating/distrusting Rhaenyra is jealousy but I think there's so much more to it than that.
Man, I definitely felt called out during this analysis, especially at "keep you going out of spite" 😅. I've continued down paths even when I lost my desire just because it felt like admitting defeat. Where is this pride coming from if I don't feel proud of my situation? Who would I be admitting defeat to if those people are no longer in my life? Questions I've asked myself without being able to bring myself to change.
Welp, did not known that the temperament I have has a name specifically, now I do. The more you know. A good deconstruction and explanation for a character that views life in such a way. A good video. 👍
This seems more of a natural social response to unfair conditions. David is being punished for essentially being poor, why should he be defferrent to the people responsible for it
Watching this video made me realize how very oppositional i used to be as teen. I hated being told what to do and often did things differently just to show i would not listen.. Which was bad thing cause i abandoned notion of going to university etc, could have been something big carreer wise but me being dumb made my life extremely difficult. In the end i managed to get great office job and have family of my own.. But damn things could have been different if i listened to my strict grandma and estranged father compared to my too free life with my mother, she never restricted me and thats why i chose to live with her instead of my father...
I'd love to see your reaction on Johnny Silverhand from the game, his dialogues and motivations, his defiance toward the system and reasons behind his terroristic actions!
Georgia I would love to see an analysis from you on the topic of addiction in the Cyberpunk show - whether it be on the consumption of these BDs (loosing touch with reality and possibly relationships as a result to be annoying or unneccessary/ to flee from reality or as a fetish) or the addiction/obsession of collecting/installing more and more cyberware to upgrqade oneself(and the craving of chrome that comes with it as a result).
When I was little, around Kindergarten or 1st Grade, the Principal made me get evaluated for misbehaving all the time. Think he wanted me out of the school. He was very pissed when it got back to him that both shrinks I sat down with concluded I was a genius and had a "problem with authority." They didn't call it Oppositional Defiance though. They just said I'm going to test any authority figure I come across to see exactly how much I can get away with. Didn't get much explanation beyond that since they went off to speak to my mother in private. I just remember their tests seeming like a giant waste of my time and being annoyed the entire time. After I got much older, I realized it's not the authority figures that bother me. It's inferior people trying to lord authority over me that enrages me at my core. If they were worthy of my respect or had some kind of trait or accolades worthy of my respect and trust, it'd be a different story entirely. I wouldn't have a problem falling in line behind those kinds of people. Those people just happen to be extremely rare. Though I can typically manage around higher-ups whom have pleasant personalities. It's only when the inferior challenge me directly that I get heated. It's like "Ahhh...so you've chosen death." Now I'm even older and see so many people are any combination of inept, shady, and selfish, so I prefer not to follow anyone. Either I lead, I roll with the handful of people I trust, or I roll alone. I refuse to fall in line behind imbeciles, a never-was and never-will-be, or someone I sense is despicable for a variety of reasons.
I had the exact same thing happen to me as a kid, and I also have the exact same trigger. Nothing and I mean nothing gets me more pissed off then someone inept telling me what to do. Or someone at the peak of mount stupid yelling with conviction their idiocy for people to follow or congratulate them for. My poor mother thinking normal schools wouldn’t work for me sent me to a private religious school. While she was probably right about the prior the latter decision was disastrous. Locked in a den of hypocrites with overlapping power structures led by imbeciles. Of course it was my fault, something was wrong with me, I should see a shrink. So they had me sent and with the same conclusion as yours. It’s really nice to know there’s other people out there outside of my lifetime friend.
Pretty cool video, learned something new! I hope you do watch more of Edgerunners and consider doing a analysis on the Cyberpsychosis. Its a bit of a broader subject and pretty mysterious in both Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and the video game CP2077. My grasp on it is Cyberpsychosis is PTSD but on steroids, triggered by the overstimulation of sex, violence, and general lifestyle Night City has to offer. Looking forward to your next video!
I think I might have a form of oppositional defiance though most people would just call it stubbornness around me lol. But -if- I have it then it must be like an oppositional defiance lite cause I have no problems following the rules I just tend to pushback when I wanna figure things out on my own. I also get motivated by someone saying I -can't- do something which just fuels my desire to do it even more.
I recommend reading an appeal to the youth by pyotr kropotkin half of this stuff is just the foundational principles of anarchism, that coercion is a flawed basis for society, that people should be allowed to have agency in their own lives and be involved in matters of importance, that authority should be abolished wherever possible
Can I just say and maybe you'll understand why this is as a therapist, but your cosplay actually makes me much more comfortable in trusting the things you say. I can tell you actually watched and researched the source material you are speaking about as a result of it. For example, I've seen in your cyberpunk videos, some you dress in a more street kid outfit, where as in this one you're dressed as a corpo. It tells me you understand some basic concepts of the lore that you really should if you're speaking about it. MANY content creators in your vein half ass it and talk about things with authority without having actually looked past the surface level of whatever it is they're talking about. You however, are actually legitimate and you have a really cool way of proving that to us visually, without having to say a single word. That, I gotta say, is very, very refreshing. 10/10
This upload explains a lot about my own adolescence and my relationship with my divorced parents... thanks! I guess I was... and probably still am appositionally defiant... guess I need to work on that!
He taps his foot just while casually waiting at a stop sign too. Seems that's meant to show he's just generally anxious/hyperactive, especially with how after getting cyberware that's supposed to be dangerously overstimulating he mentions how it feels better than his own body.
I really like the idea that he may have ADHD or ADD and finding that the stimulation from cybernetics helps keep him a equilibrium.
@@tfg_0036 yeah exactly my theory too. It's interesting to think about how neurodivergence would affect cyberware; ADHD might handle overstimulation better than most, and Adam's psychopathy let him sidestep cyberpsychosis completely. I also think Lucy might've been autistic, and that was what was identified in her childhood "proficiency test" for becoming a netrunner. The creator also brought up V avoiding cyberpsychosis by having another psyche in his head, which makes me wonder how someone with DID would fare.
@@tfg_0036 That could be really interesting, and could explain how he is much calmer and mire collected in ep. 7 and onward. All the chrome could be taking up a lot of the bandwidth in his brain.
@@MisterCynic18 I could easily see Lucy being on the autistic spectrum. Whilst not an official diagnosis, she may put up that cold front because she wants to avoid/ doesn't know how to deal with complex emotions (because as was said in a later video, people who act like this tend to also grow incredibly attached to whomever they do let it).
Granted, her emotional distance could just be trauma related, as opposed to any neurodivergence conditions. Her attitude with tech and lack of communication skills doesn't necessarily mean that she's on the spectrum, as she seems to understand the social context of things very well. She just doesn't engage because she doesn't want to get hurt, as opposed to actually finding social interactions difficult.
Georgia you should consider doing an episode on Cyberpsychosis, as it drives the story for both the series as well as the game. I would like to hear your thoughts about it.
What’s she supposed to talk about? It’s a fake psychosis made up for this specific setting.
Keeping in mind there is the very real possibility that cyberpsychosis is manufactured by a megacorp (I think arasaka or militech) because they do that planned obsolescence thing, but also are the main contractor for MaxTac
@@RealJohnnyAngel Nah, killing your customers and scaring away potential new ones doesn't sound like a very good marketing strategy and is most likely an acceptable side-effect/cost of doing business in a new sector. Cyberpsychosis is more a statement on humanity and the soul via a sort of ship of Theseus metaphor.
i prefer the idea that a cyberpsychosis "disease" does not exist. it is simply how human mind reacts when one can easily replace "weak" flesh with better chrome. you lose the ability to empathise.
cyberpsycho hunt questline in the game supports this idea. as you rummage through psychos' lives it becomes apparent that all of them were in some way forced into a corner in their lives and they saw chroming out their bodies/killing everyone as their only option.
I love this game
Based on the description given by the creator of cyberpunk, there is a lot of similarities between cyberpsychosis and Complex PTSD: loss of empathy, hypervigilance, heightened mood swings, aggressive behavior, and dissociation. If it's the result of loving in an uncaring city, with low of no connection with others or support, and the excessive violence and danger in Night City. But the megacorps label it as a psychosis and fault of character so that they can justify not carrying it doing anything to help. This is also why ex-military and the poor are more likely to develop it.
This is the perfect example of using pop culture as a gateway to provide educative content: We were deeply invested in the characters of the show, so a therapy analysis of what is going on behind the scenes is not only something people would easily be interested in, but it also shows that the makers of the show put in effort. Kudos. Subscribed.
that is exactly what I hope to do thanks
@@GeorgiaDow i bet many will find your videos helpful in even attempting to understand what this anime explored, I know I did since a lot can be gloried or mistaken for just a thing that happens and is ignored.
I always like content like this no matter what educational topic is being explored simply because of how affective it is.
Overall a major part of David's character is that he never follows his own dreams, never really has a goal he wants. He just runs towards other people's goals throughout the entire show, from his mom's, to Maine's and finally Lucy's.
Although, totally recommend watching this show dubbed instead of subbed! They use a lot of in universe slang in the dub. I genuinely think it's the way the show is meant to be watched.
The dub was surpisingly good, honestly. Of course the inflection in their voice can be wrong at times, but its not as bad as other shows
I really disliked the sub it was so over exaggerated in moments that didn’t need it. The dub was much better with Matthew mercer and gincarlito esposito. I couldn’t get emotionaly invested or care at all watching in the sub.
I'd argue it's because he never got to have a dream of his own. He was just a kid at the start and then got swept up in the moving lives of others after the accident. It's a big theme of the genre that humanity has lost primacy and everyone from the top to the bottom is a slave to the system somehow. You see this with characters like Faraday, who, even with all his clout, is still just a street rat to the big corpos; or even the Arasaka family from the game is trapped under their dad -- who is subsequently trapped my mortality and legacy. No one has freedom, so when a street rat teen is asked what his dreams are, like, what even is there to dream of? A dream -- hope -- is one of the valuable things in the genre and I find it no surprise that David latches onto any dream he can. The dreams he finds are also the sorts of things that I think he'd value in the moment. At first he lives his mom's dream because they're all they've got. Then he lives out Maine's dream for power and control after he lost all of his. Then I think he lived for Lucy not necessarily simply out of affection, but I think also because he had all this power and yet he couldn't fix her/her problems and the more she pushed him away, the more attached he became as a manifestation of his oppositional nature.
Yes is true but it show that sometimes this is enough. You dont need have big dreams or purpose becouse life itself and people near you is sometimes only thing that is important.
Dub gang unite
I would love to see another episode covering David. SPOILER ALERT: He is oppositionally defiant, but something the series kept touching on is how he doesn’t have his own dream. He went to that school because his mom wanted him to, he led the Edgerunners because Maine told him to keep running, and at the end he told Lucy his dream was for Lucy to achieve hers. Seems like a dichotomy to me but I’m sure I’m wrong.
Not really a dichotomy, no, but you're right that David never really had his own dream in the show
Layman’s perspective here but Id say what prevent it from being a dichotomy is that while it may not be his dream - it is his choice to pursue the aspirations of those he respected and cared for.
David already lived his dream, live fast, die young
David's a bit of a hypocrite in that case.
Yeah, they're still young, so it makes sense that they have not realized their own dream yet... I am not much informed about child growth... but yeah... I suspect that the lack of parental interactions since their father is gone and their mother is mostly busy working...
that made David a lot less developed to become an individual of their own... they mostly just absorb the dreams of someone they love, or looks up to.
My mom is a therapist and she's always praised me for "being so ****ing stubborn, it will suit you well in life". Kinda sounds similar to what you're talking about.
As someone with ADHD/ODD, THANK YOU so much for this! It’s so hard to parent my son sometimes because I passed it onto him, but knowing what’s going on has helped so much, because I can talk through our struggles with him and help him understand how to avoid some of the pitfalls and access some of the strengths of this condition. Being aware of when things come off as a challenge unintentionally can help us avoid triggering authority figures and help us keep our cool when someone might otherwise set us off. Learning how to recognize what’s happening in our minds can help us detach just enough to sometimes be able to change course before things get out of hand. And understanding that sometimes we’re the ones who others will look to to stand up for justice helps us look for ways to channel our defiance in beneficial and healthy ways and remove the shame and stigma that comes from being “punks”. Struthless recently did a video on harnessing your “dark why” to get things done, and spite is an absolutely valid motivator sometimes Dave Pilkey famously made his living off the same Dog-Man and Captain Underpants books his former teachers used as evidence that he would never amount to anything.
David is a fantastic character. He gets led around by the wants of others and when the world deals him a bad hand he just pushes back as hard as he can to try and fulfill other people’s expectations. It’s so tragic that his last moments with his mother were so brief. He didn’t know it was the end and it haunts him to his core.
All of it conveyed through his actions and his wants even in an extremely altered state of mind.
Trigger did an exceptional job as always
I really like that Cyberpsychosis is a bigger theme in the show than it was in the game. They both benefit from each other greatly in terms of worldbuilding and context.
it is an interesting concept
It’s functionally different in the game than it is in the show. The show presents it as more an inevitable fate befallen by those who chrome themselves out too much. In the game it’s presented more like a PTSD response from people who have reached the brink. I assume that’s why corpo characters like Takemura and Oda aren’t suceptible despite all their implants. There is even allusion to the fact that some of the cyber psychos experience a sort of disassociation from their body after replacing most of it with chrome.
@@charlywzrd Its already been explained by the author of Cyberpunk in his reddit post. It's essentially a mental tolerance just like alcohol, everyone's tolerance is different and depends on their mental situation. Thats the gist of it but it's explained more deeply in the Mike's post.
@@charlywzrd From sensory deprivation via the implants. Poor implantation work done by shady Ripper Docs that can end-up messing with the user's nervous system and mind. To the user being subjected to traumatic mind-numbing stress before, during and after they get implanted. Whilst the implants play a massive role, I don't think cyberware is the sole thing that causes it. It's a spectrum of implants combined with whatever environmental conditions their user is exposed to.
@@charlywzrd From what I understand it's effectively PTSD in both cases, that's why in ttrpg it's your 'humanity' stat that governs how much chrome you can put in before going psycho. Humanity is your ability to relate to others, the reason people go psycho is not chrome (at least not alone) it's chrome and the city finally breaking the person. In the show we only start to see David go psycho after he goes 'numb' to things like killing combined with heavily chroming up.
The 'it's all too much chrome' is apparently only a copout corpo answer so they don't have to be responsible for the fact it's them that effectively created cyberpsychosis.
Which is why going back on chrome and therapy are how you avoid cyberpsychosis if you get close to it.
I really hope you analyze the rest of this show and its characters!! Also, David's oppositional defiance is DEFINITELY a driving factor of the entire story!
yes and this straight A student really chose the absolute worst possible decisions that drove Lucy to being alone in the end
@@lancelottrivino2273, just because he's a straight A student doesn't make him some sort of genius incapable of making poor choices. Not to mention, he was morbidly depressed because people he cared about kept dying on him.
he was so selfless that he is satisfied just being able to do things for people and the respect he gets is enough for him to keep going
I love this cyberpunk show so happy to see you reviewing it. I can definitely relate to David.
i highly appreciate the amount of detail and effort that goes into your presentation, not only just on the video & analysis side, but stuff like character cosplays & even the small details like the painted on ports, or just cosplays from other series & videos as well. it's clear a lot of effort and thought goes into these videos and you're awesome for creating them
that is so heartwarming that you notice and appreciate the thought that I place in the videos. I really enjoy doing it and having people notice the little parts makes it so worth while. So thank you for appreciating and taking the time to share it with me.
Oh cool, my favorite Psych RUclipsr is examining the series that has traumatized me more than any other. Interested in seeing all your observations about this series.
yes I am watching more as we speak
@@GeorgiaDow I may have some commentary in the comments on the final episode. It made me cry harder and feel more depressed than any other show or movie ever has. I relate to David and Lucy way too much in all the wrong ways.
@@GeorgiaDow the dub is good too. Can't wait on your review of the show and the characters
Damn... in just 10 minutes i got my entire teenage life explained so clearly. Now it all makes sense. Wish i had someone explained that to me some 15-20 years ago. One thing i clearly remember that made me really frustrated ever since i was a kid actually was why i have to follow other people's solution to problem. Why i couldn't use my own way if it reaches the end result even faster. Felt absolutely frustrating. MAybe that's why i don't have any fond memories of the school or even the university. I always saw them not as institutions to educate and develop you, but as the exact opposite - make you fit the norm and comply with the system, by not letting you think uncoventionally.
I clicked on this for the entertainment, but I feel almost naked like she's talking about me. I didn't even consider myself as someone relatable to David. The more she talks about the traits and mindset of these types of people I'm looking back and identifying way more than I'd like. Thanks for making this video.
Maybe it's not that David didn't have his own dream. But rather to help others make theirs reality. He couldn't do that with his mom. He couldn't help with Maine. But he eventually does with being able to send Lucy to the moon. He just saw the value in all their dreams and how worthy each one is.
This is actually a very interesting analysis because I was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder since I was around 7 or 8 years old, on top of ADHD. There's a lot that resonated with me from your analysis of David and honestly almost brought me to tears, giving me answers that I never thought I'd get.
Same experience here. I'm at work trying to figure out why I'm almost tearing up.
Same. David is so relatable to me that I couldn't possibly see him taking any other path after his mom died
5:40 The clip just shows David starting a fight but with the full footage he tried multiple times times to walk past his bully and leave while getting blocked, before trading blows
I just love how the animation in this show is so emotional. The characters are really acting, not just moving and speaking. It sells even on mute.
I've already told people that shaking my leg helps me think. I also do it when I'm uncomfortable but it's great to hear it does infact help process many thoughts!
You did Cyberpunk!! told you before, will tell you again.. the game is a gold mine for psychoanalysis. really really wish to see your take on Johnny Silverhand (Keanu Reeves) next :)
I bet her Johnny Silverhand cosplay would be... 😎 ...breathtaking.
Or analase taxis story. It hit me deply
Well... to analyze Johnny, she'd have to play the game. Playing an openworld action rpg for a 120 hours is a bit different than watching an anime that's like 200 minutes long.
That being said, I'd really like to hear her opinion.
I think you got one thing wrong here. Often, for oppositional people (myself included) the response to people not believing you can't do something isn't to just buckle down and get your proper education. David's reaction was more realistic. Oppositional people aren't *stupid* . They're not gonna fall for reverse psychology and suddenly become a scholar because someone doubts that they can. More often than not, they're simply going to lash out instead, especially when in a state of anger. Because to tell you the truth, even if David were to buckle down here and flawlessly go through school, he would have still felt like the lapdog of not just the bullies, but also the principal and other present authority figures. In situations like those, the only choice that one feels is best is to lash out against all expectations. The principal *expects* David to behave, in fact, he hopes he does. That's what everyone's been trying to get him to do.
Oppositional defiance definitely has its pros. But it’s learning where and how to apply it as you mature that makes the difference.
I think you actually helped me realize a lot I’ve never thought about my mother, myself, and siblings, and plenty of anxiety ridden friends I’ve grown up with. Very good video! Thank you!
I had that as kid, then Conduct Disorder and since I became adult, I got diagnosed with Antisocial personality disorder, thankfully Im smart enough and managed to turn it into high functioning.
It's still no vacation havin it, I'm 35 and struggling but it has some interesting aspects, as you mentioned with ODD (but, even more intense). Bet you know what I mean.
Good video and great anime, I might be bit biased cause I'm Polish but yeah. Have a sub.
"That feeling of spite can keep them going for many many years"
As an oppositional person, I really feel that.
(For context, germany has a school system with 3 graduation ways. Basic after 9 years, medium after 10 and high after 12 years, and only the last one can get you to college)
In my school I wanted to repeat the 10th school year to improve my performance and try for the high graduation. My teacher dismissed the request because "you wouldn't make it anyways".
So i graduated after 10 years and did an apprenticeship for 3 years which then qualified me to go back to school and get the additional education at a school for adults. I wish I could just push my degree into the face of my old teacher and say "see, you old B'stard, i did it."
i'm in shock you reacted to this! thanks choom!
I came here to understand the character and ended up learning something about myself.
Thanks for articulating "Oppositional Defiance" for me Georgia.
love your analysis! it's always great to see a new video of yours!
What is often miss understood about being a punk, is it's not about doing the opposite of what's expected, that's just kicking and screaming cuz you just don't wanna. Rather, it's owning the reprocussions of your choices whether good or bad, in defiance of authority. Intelligence is a big part of it, used anticipate those potential reprocussions, making an active choice, and choosing to bare the weight with pride regardless of the outcome. It also helps keep ones emotions in check so the world around you doesn't subcontiously motivate (which is a constant struggle). It's extreme ownership, allowing you to be in the world but not of it. The Twisted Sister trial is a great example of this.
Optional Defiance, I believe is to romanticized. Yes, it creates a an independent mind, but all to often people don't control it, it controls them, therefore, they're controlled by the world. Submitting to impulse.
only just found this. I have ODD. Thank you. this is only video I've ever seen on it that tries to connect the disorder to the person, as a person, and not as a problem. As a teen I struggled so hard with rules and authority. Now as a young adult I still struggle with it, but tend to be able to trick myself into a work around. An objective look at myself is something I value greatly, and that has been something I've never been able to fully grasp. this video was so incredibly helpful and amazing and describes how I handle things so well. Thank you for making this video.
Oh buddy, I absolutely loved all of your arcane stuff and in my honest opinion this is the best thing to come out animation-wise since arcane. Gonna love all the edge runner videos you do I just feel it.
so happy to hear that
I have ODD! It showed up pretty much when I started 1st grade (along with many of my other mental issues). Honestly, for me, other people telling me how I should live my life and how I should behave feels like my intelligence and understanding of a situation is being disrespected. I have understood that actions have consequences long before most kids do so discipline just felt like extra consequences when I was a kid. I'm 31 now and still would rather do my own thing rather than taking (unsolicited) advice despite what that may lead to. If I end up in a bad situation because I put myself there I will have no one else to blame and can recognize it as my own mistake. If I do something that someone else makes me do and bad things happen I will blame that person to an extreme level; I will feel like THEY hurt me directly regardless of their intentions and that they deserve for me to hurt them to "even the score"(I'm an adult now and cognitively understand that isn't how things work).
I think i might have it too since both the symptoms of ODD and david’s character both resonate with me a lot. I definitely see myself in some of the things she listed. But i don’t want to have it… How will i know if i have it or not? How do i go about this?
@@Yoran_w I was diagnosed by a nueropsychologist in an all day nueropsych test in 2nd grade after my parents got a note from my teachers about potentially having ADHD (I am diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, Asperger's Syndrome, PTSD, BPD, and Dyslexia). My nueropsych caught my ADHD, Dyslexia, and ODD. Honestly, I'd recommend speaking with your PCP/GP about your concerns. I do feel I should mention that idk if there is any treatment for ODD; the most I know is primarily teaching the person's parents how to teach their child right from wrong. We typically thrive on a rewards based system for our good behaviors and completely ignoring our bad behaviors. That being said oppositional traits are common with many different disorders. Some disorders that have oppositional traits are Reactive Attachment Disorder (a trauma disorder developed from SEVERE neglect in childhood), Autism, ADHD, and ODD (obviously) at the least. Definitely speak with a doctor about your concerns.
That's a really strange way of thinking, I'm glad you can at least recognize it now.
I've just realised how much oppositional defiant I was basically since elementary school to very end of junior high school. I was a misfit and a target of everyday bulliyng just because I had different approach towards school from class group leader who was very good at sports and was mocking me for being below average at it but he was absolutely bottom end in everything else when I was above average. Luckily in high school after so many years we managed to be a kind on the same page and I even drove him home a lot of times. Now being 29 years old we can have a normal talk but we both know that we will never go to pub togheter way too much has happened between us before.
Georgia have you seen music video for "Let you down" song from Edgerunners? In only 4 minutes they told a tragic story of a new character Sasha, not gonna lie I got my eyes wet in the end when I watched it for the first time.
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners," though brief, is crafted with such profound detail and storytelling mastery that it feels like a gift that continues to unfold. The series manages to deliver an extensive narrative experience within its short runtime, drawing viewers in with its intricate character development, layered themes, and compelling plot. Each episode offers new layers of meaning and emotional depth, making the series a rich and enduring experience.
Great content
Until you've done what you call "Problem Solving", its called "finding a way to kill your demons, without doing more harm to yourself". Its one of those moments that hits me harder than most other traumatizing moments that are presented to us. Feeling backed into a corner when life has punched you in the gut too many times is real feels.
^ Watching David just tap his foot as he spins through all the furious thoughts trapped inside his head because he knows there's nothing he can do is something I can _feel_ from how much personal experience I have
I NEVER EXPECTED HER TO MAKE A VIDEO ON THIS BUT I’M SO HERE FOR IT HEY GEORGIA
yay !!
David as a character really speaks to me. I myself am very oppositional to a point where I did what many others in our company would never dare doing... I challenged my supervisor in a 2 hour long debate of how I see my current position and my future at the company and what role I see in him as my enabler and how he is failing in doing so. I was dancing on saber's edge, close to being fired... But I won. And I keep on being a pain to him by bringing myself in key positions you may only enter by being an empathetic and likeable person.
As long as I can think, the moments someone doubted me were the ones I would thrive the most. I would go above and beyond to not only prove them wrong but outright pulverize their image of me. And deep down I know, someday I will accomplish something great. I just know it...
I've been waiting for this!!
2:06 I just recently had a Disability Determination form ask me how I get along with authority and my honest answer was "Fine, when I feel the authority is deserved...otherwise very _very_ poorly." 😓
The idea of 'oppositional defiance as a superpower' has very much been a part of my lived experience, even if I didn't know the words to put to it until now. A lot of the things I do, I approach in what turn out to be _very novel ways_ just because they make the most sense to me. Ways which often succeed despite far more knowledgeable/experienced individuals telling me they shouldn't. "Just trust me on this." isn't an answer, guy. I see no reason why it shouldn't work, so I'm going to keep trying it _my_ way. Oh look, it worked, _and_ my way was easier. _Stuff it._ 🤨
8:27 I've had those moments. _Nothing ventured, nothing gained._
I love that you put the ad at the end. Slay 👏
I'm also oppositional but it isn't a big part of personality, I'm oppositional when I feel wronged or if I'm being treated unfairly. I like it
That's actually healthy. You are supposed to defend yourself
That's a very healthy expression of opposition, not really ODD
@@umcaraqualquer3640 I'm aware..that was my point
@@MoonlitPhoenix0im aware that was my point…🌚
Shaking the leg - is also for thinking! Yes, thank you! I had a tendancy to shake a leg, an arm, or other, but all I heard "You're anxious, don't deny, I see it." I have energy in my mind! I am impatient to go on! Or I am excited! Or else than anxious!
Went back and finished the show so I could watch your videos on it, so glad I did the show is amazing!
Hope you enjoyed it!
I love your thoughts, insights and overall contribution. Thank you
thanks more to come
The shard slots in the neck is an impressive attention to detail. :)
As someone who has been diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder as a teen I (ironically) resent the idea that rebelling against authority that doesn't respect you as a human being is some sort of disorder. It's the appropriate response. So often people are stuck in abusive or traumatic situations, and the response that is expected from society is polite, quiet sadness. When someone reacts with righteous anger at being mistreated or actively tries to fight the injustices facing them suddenly they're the ones being disruptive. That's literally what being punk is all about, rejecting the judgement of society, making your own rules for how to live your life, and acknowledging that respect is a two-way street; if you give none, you will recieve none.
you are not alone in that assessment it is a very controversial term
This video surprised me, every point about this oppositional defiance made me self reflect in my life. If I was talked down to I did the same, if teachers yelled at me I did the same, every day I was made out to be the black sheep so I embraced being the black sheep, it got so bad with school and family I lost my empathy, violence was common thing in high school but meeting kind and caring people that weren't trying control me at every day, I felt emotions for the people that care about me and now threw trust and love I care about them.
hope it makes you feel less alone and more understood
Yessss! Can u do one on David and Lucy's relationship?
That would be an interesting analysis to watch though I'm guessing we're not going to get her in Lucy cosplay. ;-)
Well I came here expecting an overview of his traits and a dive on cyberpsychosis but got a diagnosis instead..
Decades of being sent to the principal, going to less conventional schools, taking less conventional electives / jobs, being forced to go to behavioral therapists.. Never once in my life had I heard mention of this condition, would have made things a lot easier if I could have pointed people to it. “This is how I am, I’d prefer to have a productive relationship with you but coming at me the wrong way will have automatic, unavoidable, usually disastrous results.” I’ve understood this about myself since I was a child and have tried explaining it to little success. It’s as beneficial as it is destructive, as isolating as it is liberating; I wouldn’t give it up if I had the choice but there’s a lot of regrets I have as a result. Knowing about this should curb these interactions provided I can intercept and the person cares enough to look into it. Thank you for making this video, I’ve been forced to see a lot of professionals over the years and not one has given me the information your video about an anime character managed to do in a few minutes.
Thanks so much that is a huge compliment and it is what I hope to accomplish. I am sorry you didnt find out more about yourself when you were younger but hopefully you are living a good happy life now and maybe this can help you going forward. Thanks for being a a part of my channel and sharing your story with us.
oppositional defiance is definitely relatable to me as I was younger.
Great video analysis thank ya for it.
Morning Georgia = ) I must say, you look better in a suit than I do...and yours fits you better! I have had run ins with many oppositionally defiant people. The anger they view as their strength leads them to be easily defeated if they attack...and VERY easily manipulated by others...like cattle being led around by a ring through their nose. Making them lose the VERY control they seek. I more thoughtfully, selectfully defiant. I respect authority until it does something stupid. Then I call them on it.
thanks CL =- )
Oooo, didn't expect you to cover this! I'll defo keep an eye out whenever you drop more edgerunners content in the future.
Can't wait for the character analysis of all the gang!
Becca especially 😊
no amount of therapy can numb the pain of the last episode,nor can it make me forget
I could literally learn something about myself in this video.
I wonder if you know what is going on with me kinda: When i got older i got this defiant, and hostile behavior towards parents, teachers, and other authority figures.
I always tent to refuse to obey instructions or to do what people want you to do. Mostly when i got told to do things in a disrespectful manner.
Thanks for helping me learn more about my behavior that ive started showing than older i got.!
What a beautiful analysis. Good work!
thank you Devil I appreciate the comment
Wonderful video as always, Georgia! You always have my thinking about specific roles and outcomes with these topics, and how they can portray a great story!
thank you very much
TIL [at 25] that I'm incredibly Oppositionally Defiant. I've always had a very, very hard time "just following instructions" from someone I don't already respect. I have always provided opposition when commanded to do something, demanding reasoning before I take any action and refusing to act if the reasoning is "because I said so". Its incredibly empowering to have a name to the phenomena.
oh cool i didn’t know you would do cyberpunk i think it’s a great source of doing analysis on
I got the demand avoidance profile of autism plus ADHD and while it's not as obvious as ODD, I resonate a lot with the resistance to demands. When something makes no sense to me or I don't wish to do something that brings me no positive feedback (almost anything, given my executive dysfunction is so low I hit ny limit pretty early) I feel overwhelmed and I just give up. People always tell me they don't understand how I'm such an underachiever if I'm 'so smart'. Welp.
With having ADHD I'm constantly tapping my toe or fingers on something to whatever beat is going through my head.. And basically from the moment i get up my head is an endless cycle of randomness till i can passout. But I kinda felt like David may have been on that spectrum as well.. or borderline.
Are you going to be looking at cyberpsychosis in general? The creator of Cyberpunk, Mike Pondsmith, has said a few things on reddit clarifying his view of the condition. There's also lore in the video game to look at too, mostly how there is no single cause for cyberpsychosis. It's a host of issues like drug use(chronic and/or a bad batch), PTSD, being modified against their will, faulty/experimental cyberware, suffering a severe physical or emotional trauma, etc. combined with the afflicted having a multitude of weapons or weapon-like functions integrated into their body.
Stumbled into your channel a while back. Glad to see your videos again. Subbed this time.
Oh wow thanks =) that is quite a compliment thanks
So many gold mine characters. David, Maine, Lucy, Rebecca, and Kiwi come to mind in the show. Game wise I would say Johnny is the biggest dumpster fire, though V's reaction to their impending death is certainly something to take in mind.
Not done the game yet but I really like Johnny. Especially later on when he admits that all the people he considered friends hated being in the same room as him and that he used and threw out all of them on a whim just to satisfy his narcissism. Really interesting character
Oh, shit. You just described me. I managed to grow out some negative aspects like the anger, but I definitely still carry many traits like not wanting to conform to society rules.
In the world of Cyberpunk being oppositional to the monstrous way society is run is completely rational. Oppositional Defiance “disorder” is only classified that way because rebels are disruptive. ADD is only a “disorder” for the same reason. Either way, modern psychology seems often more concerned with making people conform with societal norms than understanding the root of so-called disorders. If you see injustice all around you those that stand idly by and ignore it to avoid making waves are the real ones with a disorder.
I agree with the other comments.
Please do a deep dive into this whole series. There is so much to break down psychologically.
Did .... did you paint shard slots on your neck? :-O Tell me you have painted a personal port on your hand as well and I will squeel. XDDD Omg Georgia, I ADORE your cosplays!
I did paint ports on my neck !! i am so excited that someone noticed. I was thinking no one will see it, but I just had to. Thanks Jan - ))
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and House of the Dragon are the top shows of the year for me so far. I hope for more Edgerunners analysis as well as House of the Dragon, more specifically on Alicent because most people think her only motivation in hating/distrusting Rhaenyra is jealousy but I think there's so much more to it than that.
Man, I definitely felt called out during this analysis, especially at "keep you going out of spite" 😅. I've continued down paths even when I lost my desire just because it felt like admitting defeat.
Where is this pride coming from if I don't feel proud of my situation? Who would I be admitting defeat to if those people are no longer in my life? Questions I've asked myself without being able to bring myself to change.
Great analysis as always !!!!
Much appreciated!
Welp, did not known that the temperament I have has a name specifically, now I do. The more you know.
A good deconstruction and explanation for a character that views life in such a way.
A good video. 👍
Well done on the analysis!
im so happy ur reviewing my fav game and anime omg !!!
Thanks…I enjoyed getting more insight. Blessings on your day 👍🏻
Wow, clicked on this just to learn about oppositional defiance and see how it relates to the anime, found out a Lot about myself. Good video.
so happy that you did = )
This seems more of a natural social response to unfair conditions. David is being punished for essentially being poor, why should he be defferrent to the people responsible for it
well stated
Watching this video made me realize how very oppositional i used to be as teen.
I hated being told what to do and often did things differently just to show i would not listen..
Which was bad thing cause i abandoned notion of going to university etc, could have been something big carreer wise but me being dumb made my life extremely difficult.
In the end i managed to get great office job and have family of my own.. But damn things could have been different if i listened to my strict grandma and estranged father compared to my too free life with my mother, she never restricted me and thats why i chose to live with her instead of my father...
I'd love to see your reaction on Johnny Silverhand from the game, his dialogues and motivations, his defiance toward the system and reasons behind his terroristic actions!
I just started watching the show so far so good vary good show
4:00 - I quote myself "Treat them like an adult who has their own choices laid out in details in front of them, and suddenly things change."
nicely stated
Georgia I would love to see an analysis from you on the topic of addiction in the Cyberpunk show - whether it be on the consumption of these BDs (loosing touch with reality and possibly relationships as a result to be annoying or unneccessary/ to flee from reality or as a fetish) or the addiction/obsession of collecting/installing more and more cyberware to upgrqade oneself(and the craving of chrome that comes with it as a result).
Oh that is a great topic !! thanks for the idea
i've often stood on top of those bridges that i've burned down just to let the other know i'm not all right in the head
I can't wait to see a video about David's PTSD and how it affects him!
When I was little, around Kindergarten or 1st Grade, the Principal made me get evaluated for misbehaving all the time. Think he wanted me out of the school. He was very pissed when it got back to him that both shrinks I sat down with concluded I was a genius and had a "problem with authority." They didn't call it Oppositional Defiance though. They just said I'm going to test any authority figure I come across to see exactly how much I can get away with. Didn't get much explanation beyond that since they went off to speak to my mother in private. I just remember their tests seeming like a giant waste of my time and being annoyed the entire time.
After I got much older, I realized it's not the authority figures that bother me. It's inferior people trying to lord authority over me that enrages me at my core. If they were worthy of my respect or had some kind of trait or accolades worthy of my respect and trust, it'd be a different story entirely. I wouldn't have a problem falling in line behind those kinds of people. Those people just happen to be extremely rare. Though I can typically manage around higher-ups whom have pleasant personalities. It's only when the inferior challenge me directly that I get heated. It's like "Ahhh...so you've chosen death." Now I'm even older and see so many people are any combination of inept, shady, and selfish, so I prefer not to follow anyone. Either I lead, I roll with the handful of people I trust, or I roll alone. I refuse to fall in line behind imbeciles, a never-was and never-will-be, or someone I sense is despicable for a variety of reasons.
I had the exact same thing happen to me as a kid, and I also have the exact same trigger.
Nothing and I mean nothing gets me more pissed off then someone inept telling me what to do. Or someone at the peak of mount stupid yelling with conviction their idiocy for people to follow or congratulate them for.
My poor mother thinking normal schools wouldn’t work for me sent me to a private religious school. While she was probably right about the prior the latter decision was disastrous. Locked in a den of hypocrites with overlapping power structures led by imbeciles. Of course it was my fault, something was wrong with me, I should see a shrink. So they had me sent and with the same conclusion as yours.
It’s really nice to know there’s other people out there outside of my lifetime friend.
These traits accompanied by self discipline and trust for the right people can create a great leader or visionary.
exactly
Pretty cool video, learned something new! I hope you do watch more of Edgerunners and consider doing a analysis on the Cyberpsychosis. Its a bit of a broader subject and pretty mysterious in both Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and the video game CP2077. My grasp on it is Cyberpsychosis is PTSD but on steroids, triggered by the overstimulation of sex, violence, and general lifestyle Night City has to offer. Looking forward to your next video!
thats coming up next !!
I finally actually watched the show you are covering so I can watch your videos spoiler free :D
this is awesome! can we get more edge runner content?
I think I might have a form of oppositional defiance though most people would just call it stubbornness around me lol. But -if- I have it then it must be like an oppositional defiance lite cause I have no problems following the rules I just tend to pushback when I wanna figure things out on my own. I also get motivated by someone saying I -can't- do something which just fuels my desire to do it even more.
as someone who is oppositional defiant, this is accurate.
this actually explains a lot from my childhood
I did not realize there was a term for what I've been feeling all my life. Ack, now I've been put in another box, gotta break out of it!
I recommend reading an appeal to the youth by pyotr kropotkin
half of this stuff is just the foundational principles of anarchism, that coercion is a flawed basis for society, that people should be allowed to have agency in their own lives and be involved in matters of importance, that authority should be abolished wherever possible
go beyond it = )
My gosh, I missed your video so much.
More to come! hope you stay
Can I just say and maybe you'll understand why this is as a therapist, but your cosplay actually makes me much more comfortable in trusting the things you say. I can tell you actually watched and researched the source material you are speaking about as a result of it. For example, I've seen in your cyberpunk videos, some you dress in a more street kid outfit, where as in this one you're dressed as a corpo. It tells me you understand some basic concepts of the lore that you really should if you're speaking about it. MANY content creators in your vein half ass it and talk about things with authority without having actually looked past the surface level of whatever it is they're talking about. You however, are actually legitimate and you have a really cool way of proving that to us visually, without having to say a single word. That, I gotta say, is very, very refreshing. 10/10
that means so much to me thank you. I feel very seen = )
Would love to see more episodes about this series. This show was incredible.
Something tells me I was definitely oppositional defiant during my middle and highschool years
This upload explains a lot about my own adolescence and my relationship with my divorced parents... thanks! I guess I was... and probably still am appositionally defiant... guess I need to work on that!
Thanks you help me know myself better
I'm so glad!