Lucy gave him purpose. he was lost in night city where he lost one of the people he really loved, despite him being a rebellious brat, she worked hard for his future and he took it for granted. through all that, David loved his mother. after her death and David was just Bumming around like a lost puppy, Lucy gave him a life where he fit in. in the end, David only wanted Lucy to fulfill her dreams, yet his dreams was for Lucy to have hers. David saw Lucy had ambition and was as similar as he was. they both werent fitting in night city at all and certainly not as stuffy corpos in arasaka. Rebecca however had a hint of her liking him before Pilar died but that was just it. she was too new in the cast to have a decent backstory so they had her as the muscle, eventually she became Pilar in David's crew, the old heads of the crew died to make way for the new blood but Rebecca was just a heavy. she didnt really give David any semblance of ambition. she cared for David as it was obvious to everyone: David was going over the edge like Maine.
@@yagamijubei28Lucy only did it to assuage her guilt over trying to have him killed when she had a change of heart last minute. Only when Maine, her leader, decided to put him to use did Lucy help him and even that wasn't for his sake, but to ensure he could keep up and be useful. She didn't do anything that was solely for him after he grew on her. It's a lot like Cruel Intentions in that way.
@@Raivo_Melnishow is that a replica of zero 2? I'm a huge darling in the franxx fan and just because people are out going doesn't make them an exact copy of another especially zero 2 she gets too much hate for literally no reason, any reason people hate her is shot down by basic facts
People seem to miss, one of the main reasons Lucy DOESN'T tell David what she is up to is because she is afraid he will actually embrace what Arasaka wants to use him for. And that fear is not baseless.
She wasn’t doing all that batman stuff for David, she was trying to tie up loose ends so she won’t be pursued. David wouldn’t abandon his entire character of doing what he does because of others just to be a lab-rat who won’t even be able to climb ranks and be a boss at Arasaka like his mother wanted.
@4m4n40 Nah. You're wrong. If she had so much as TOLD David what she was doing, she could've opened him up to being pursued by Arasaka directly. She couldn't tell him, because that's the only way she couldn't ensure that they wouldn't find him.
@@4m4n40 Emm...if Lucy want just to hide her tracks - it would be wise just disappear, instead of open hunting season on each netrunner that Arasaka hire to search information about David
I wonder why everyone forgets Lucy's first interaction with David is betrayal. That's why Rebecca is so much more popular. She never set a deadly thirst trap.
Except the first time we see Becca is her wanking off the corpo bodyguard to stall him long enough for David and Lucy to hack the cars information. She definitely would do the thirst trap.
I have to disagree as to her betraying David, she had just met him and she didn't have no loyalty to him. He was an outsider at that point that had something that belonged to her crew/the group of people she did business with. Therefore she never betrayed David, she was being loyal to her team. Had she not set David up then she would be betraying here people. You probably feel that way because you first met David and formed a liking to him. I did the same at first and looked at it that way but after thinking about it. I respect it more because it shows that Lucy is loyal to the people that she is with.
@@Batari30 yeah, and a lot of these people seem to forget that David jumped into the exact same line of work haha. Which is fine, but I doubt he thought of her as a betrayer
@@Batari30 She didnt know the context of David having the Sandevista, plus he was way too confortable with stealing right after meeting up, makes sense Lucy would do what she did.
Rebecca was ride or die. She knew David was going to go insane, that he was heading to his Doom. She tried her best to disuade him but when she saw that her efforts were useless she just went "Screw it." and was with him until the end. Lucy, on the other hand, was distant, cold and she pushed David away.
And why do you think she did? Use your thinking cap buddy, all the clues were in the show. If people did more critical thinking then the world would be a better place.
@@cool-gloom To be honest this reminds me of how Judy in almost all finals she goes away from V, so they aren't lame, in the year 2077 many persons have problems to cope with pain, and this makes emotions more awkward to express, some persons can see dead before others, Lucy did, she have the right to cope, to grief, David went down like Icarus, Lucy loved him, i am thinking if Lucy truly did something wrong but as someone who lost a dear person to me i can't see anything wrong with her pain, her behavior was an answer to the pain, it's illogical, raw, you can barely see through your tears, your head feels heavy and your body numb, wondering if you could have done more for that person, crying, feeling the time in a different way, this is what is about, pain, now maybe that person expressed themself poorly, but their core thought is understandable
Lucy was literally risking her life killing net divers and runners who were trying to find David. She wasn't pushing him away, she was just protecting him. Everyone just always overlooks this because the anime barely covers it.
It's probably because we outright see how selfless Rebecca is, she doesn't stick by David because she's something to gain. She genuinely loves and cares what happens to him even if she doesn't get the same from him. That's true love. Caring about his true happiness above her own.
Yeah. I mean if anything you could even argue that David took advantage of that love too, which ultimately cost Becca her life. She was gonna stand by him regardless of her own approval for the decisions he was making.
Honestly, Both of these characters are the kinds of people that are wonderful people. Lucy is deep, thoughtful, and she's the kind of person that being close to means so much. Rebecca is a true blue companion. She's brash, open, and always a straight shooter with how she feels. But lets be clear. They were both loyal to the bitter end. Rebecca just unfortunately rode it to HER end. She was willing to do what David wanted to do even if she personally didn't like it, didn't agree with it. She stayed at his side no matter how much she hated watching David destroy himself. Lucy wanted to protect David, even if it meant she had to be away from him, and she tries so hard to help David and he just never listens. In their own way, they were both truly ride or die. Davids whole crew (except for Kiwi) was honestly. most of the people he worked with were so tight that they were willing to go ahead with even his stupidest plans and worst ideas because they were true blue friends and they trusted him unconditionally. It cost so much, but if i had to have a crew standing at my back, kick the backstabber to the curb and give me the rest of Davids crew. I'd know they would always be there for me. David was lucky to have the friends he did.
I love this, I definitely prefer Rebecca but Lucy gets too much hate. They went about protecting David in different ways, and depsite the equally pure intentions, you could argue both of them had flaws in their approaches to it that contributed to the tragic ending. Regardless, Lucy and Becca both had their hearts in the right place. Honestly was not a fan of Lucy at the first watch but she really grew on me, once I started reading between the lines instead of taking her at face value.
@@gabriella19452she gets hate for no reason at all....I think ppl just hate that she got a "happy ending" even when if u rlly think about it she didn't. Both Lucy and Becca are great characters
@@pussydestroyer69285 desde mi punto de vista no creo que sea un final feliz para lucy, cuando se dieron el beso y ambos aparecen en la luna creo que ese era su nuevo sueño, ir con David para la luna o que David se volvió su luna, el episodio 10 dice mi luna mi hombre, es solo mi opinión.
@@pussydestroyer69285 she actually got the saddest ending. She spent the entire show trying to save David, not only trying to convince him to quit being an edgerunner, but also dedicated her days to hunting down everyone who tried to get information about him. She also betrayed her old friends to try to save David, which resulted in the death of Maine and Dorio. But even after everything she did, it wasn't enough, she couldn't save David. She ended up fulfilling her old dream of going to the moon, but without David, the person she wanted to share her dream with. Her dream has been tarnished.
Lol they're both very hazardous people to get involved with. Lucy doesn't express herself and has deep insecurities, leafing her to do things independently that she really shouldn't. Getting her to tell you things or involve you in her life would be a daily struggle, and we see first hand how that ultimately implodes for her. Rebecca is pure id and always set to 11. That works out great when she's a merc in a dystopia hellhole but in daily life it'd be actively self-destructive. It would be infuriating trying to keep her from turning every situation into a potential disaster. Someone like her survives off sheer luck, and we see that run out by the end. Great dream girl waifus but as real people they'd both be nightmares. Rebecca is still Bae tho.
I loved Lucy for the first few episodes. The Manic-Pixie-Dreamgirl energy But then she went into her shell. Got the cold, distant, wont open up. I love Rebecca's manic energy, loyalty, and openness. I'm terrible at reading people. So I would have no idea what to do with Lucy. Rebecca would just straight tell me what she wants. And that would be great. And we know Rebecca can handle the small stuff too. She's not just always manic excitement. She can calm down, and handles the serious stuff well. Her brother was shot in front of her. She vanished for a couple episodes, likely deeep in grief processing it all. But then came back just the same. So Rebecca is someone that will always be with you. Be open and honest with everything. Tell you what she wants. And can also be there with the calmer stuff to I think an actual relationship with becca would be a LOT, but it would never be boring, and you'd never be left guessing. She'd want constant attention and affection. But she'd give it in turn
Amazing as most people do not notice it is a literary/ classic drama tool thy used. They SPLIT Lucy character. Notice the EXACT second broody inward Lucy appears is the second, literal second before Rebecca appear and say " Hi I am rebecca" They have SPLIT the characters and they only "join" ad when Lucy understands that she was wrong keeping David away ..a t the very second Becca dies... They are splits of the SAME persona.
@@tiagodagostini there are a couple of those through the series. David has few options, being broke and virtually homeless, but when he does have options, he's driven by the very complex set of feelings he has for Maine. David's big change comes when he's holding Maine's hand, at which point he is oo longer fully David and becomes partially Maine. Both figuratively and literally.
The problem was never Lucy, it was David. He never took Lucy's advice when it mattered the most. Which is sad, because she always had his well being in mind. She probably gave him the best advice and most of the tragedies wouldn't have happened if he just listened.
So much people are before Lucy's head because "she has the fault". She was just trying to save him, and for the other who say that she isn't "ride or die like rebecca" she didn't want to leave David side, David forced her to do so, to leave with Falco. They put way too much pressure on a girl that maybe isn't even that old, that is trying her best, even when she is terrified all the time...
Of course he didn't take her advice, he was a teenager when everything went down. Lucy being the adult should have removed herself from the whole situation or at least set firm boundaries with david.
Worth Remembering for Lucy: prior to the events of Edgerunners, she was actively used as a child by Arasaka to roam the DataKrash Net, a part of the Net in their world that is destroyed by Rogue AIs and Daemons. Not only that, she was the only one in a group of children (not sure how many) to have survived an escape from that life. So her walls are always up because she doesn’t know who to trust, and why she gets extremely attached to David, who trusts her no matter what.
@@annoyingcat5328you’re the type of person if the other person were to give literally the most perfect response, your brain dead comeback would still be the same as this reply
That is right, she is a survivor. If you build a family like that, they will all be survivors. People be hating on the one person in the whole anime that can adapt, and survive like a chameleon.
Rebecca makes me think of "The Giving Tree", by Shell Silverstein. She wants to be David's special person, and goes hard to support him, yet doesn't go the yandere route - she gives him space to be his own person, even when that person is being an idiot.
I really like that she gave him the space to make his own choices, even when she disagreed. I noticed that people keep saying is that Becca was an "enabler" but I think that's an overly negative label for what she was doing. She couldn't force him to lay off the chrome or to call off the mission, and she knew him well enough to know he was gonna go and do what he was gonna do. She argued with him about his wellbeing, wasn't a total pushover about it, but knew the only thing she could do was harm reduction at that point because he was going to do it either way
Proceeds to die for some thot while she sits in a tub then goes to the moon paid for by him. He got what he wanted in the end since he had no self of his own.
@@ethosterros9430 David was a kid who followed other people's dreams and never really knew what was going on. Lucy wanted to get out of Night City and went out of her way to protect David even when it pit her against the gang and she saw David was going on a downward spiral headed towards being a cyberpsycho. It's a dystopia where many of the characters are broken and bad people but I don't think Lucy particularly deserves to be singled out for being a shifty criminal given David just becomes a straight up murderer by the end of the series.
Lucy had an endgame in sight. Rebecca lives her life by the second, knowing the world she lives in is never promised tomorrow. Rebecca goes with the flow, Lucy is planning for the future.
I picked Rebecca in the poll because I am pretty avoidant like Lucy. I don't like dealing with that trait in myself, so it seems even more difficult to be around people who are like you in ways you don't like. On top of that, someone who is extra direct in their communication seems even better to have around, especially if they would influence me to "get out of my shell" more, because I have been happier when I am less reserved even if it leads to a few mistakes now and then. It's also interesting to hear you talk about how avoidant people might be perceived as in control or calm or calculated because I am always surprised at how other people say they regard me. Maybe because I never feel calm or calculated!
Exact same here, I imagine that's the reason she won out in the poll. Most people that watch anime instead of spending time with others because they find it hard to connect or open up probably wouldn't want someone exactly like them as their partner.
@@GeorgiaDow It does have me wondering to what extent these sorts of things are static, like I definitely used to be much more outgoing and direct, then a lot of things changed in my life. I improved more and then the pandemic happened, so that definitely isn't surprising, but it seems to have had a lasting effect on me.
@@pmpm1256I understand that preference for the company of someone more extroverted. I do also believe it can be changed or that we don’t have to identify with these personality types. Our character is malleable and can adapt not just in the presence of another who is more open. It’s perfectly natural to have a different personality around someone or in a certain setting.
I am also avoidant but for me it’s quite the opposite. I personally find it much easier to empathize and relate to someone similar to me. Someone highly open and extroverted would be too exhausting to be around.
2:30 That'a actually brilliant. Kiwi taught her never to trust anyone, so "planting those seeds" is Lucy's way of reminding David that anyone could be lying.
My wife is a lot like Lucy. Nothing against Rebecca, but if you ever crack the shell on someone who is like Lucy, then you'll never have to question where you stand with them. You will know that person so much more than most anyone ever will in that person's life. It's a gift that takes work, but the payoff is worth it.
I know a couple people like Lucy myself. They are good people. Just shy and slow to open up. The girl did her best. She was young, traumatized and didn’t realize miscommunication was hurting her relationship. People judge her too much. Glad you got your partner to open up to you.
I don't know you or your partner. But I have a feeling, if something really bad was happening, and you BEGGED your wife for support and to be there for you, she would be. Lucy would not do that for her partner, after all, she wasn't there for David at that moment until our boy was dying. So I think your wife is more different from Lucy than you think.
do consider we do have a big chunk of david and lucy's life together missing. david got a body to support a build similar to maine's so we don't know what kind of relation they had together only that both were a bit closed off from one another. ( i do put partial blame of this on david because lucy did try to confront him and he tried to push her off, similar to what he did with becca) that said.. i don't really have to beg my wife about anything. honestly she tells me i should tell her things more often and she's always there when it's serious. so no, i don't really have to beg her. she's really a great person.
With Lucy she has a very hard exterior, she makes it really hard to earn her trust because of what she has been through in the past but with people like this they're normally some of the most loving and caring people who have been abused for being too nice, if you can earn their trust you'll find a partner for life. I'm very much like Lucy, I give off this persona that "I don't care, I don't need anyone I'll do it myself" but all I ever wanted was someone to care for me.
Lucy can be tricky given her more reserved and introverted disposition. She's more subtle. For those who have a hard time picking up, she's a piece of work. But that doesn't make her any less loyal. As for Rebecca, she's more extroverted and straightforward and easy to read.
I would argue Lucy is more loyal. She wants to handle the problems in the shadows to not worry David, quietly protect him. She is guarded, reserved, but loved from the beginning.
@@Nempo13 When David practically begged Lucy to come back, and even said he'd cut back on Chrome because he know he'd have her by his side, she pulled away. Because of this, David took the path he did, and we saw how that ended up. If you call that loyalty, I strongly encourage you to do more research.
@@hayseshouhda5730 I don't think you watched the right show mate, or you gotta rewatch it. Lucy was the one asking him to cut back on chrome because she knew what it would do to him, and she saw how he kept living for the dreams of the people he had lost, rather than living for himself and the people in his life that are still alive. David asked Lucy if she wanted to get back in the bizz, and she declined. Reason she declined was because it was clear to her how the only reason David was still in the bizz was because the dreams of his fallen friends and family was the thing that kept pushing him, kept him chroming up, kept him focused on a future with no bright ending. She knew if she went back in bizz with him, then there'd be nothing holding him back from destroying himself fully. That's why Lucy stuck to the shadows because she knew she couldn't convince him straight up, so she wanted to do everything in her power to keep him safe from within the cybernet. Whereas Rebecca might have been with David in a lot of firefights, Lucy was spending every waking hour trying to get him truly out of the mess he was digging himself into. She devoted herself fully to protecting David in the hopes that he'd realize he had more to live for than the dreams of the dead. Sadly, he never came to that realization until it was too late. If Rebecca truly wanted to save David, she would not have gone with him on these missions, she would have invested herself in his motivations and told him to his face that he's doing the wrong thing - and she'd not stick with him when it was clear his path only led to one place: his own death. Rebecca didn't ever truly oppose David and question the integrity of his motives or how his actions affect those around him. To me that's not hard loyalty, it's neglect.
Rebecca was initially not part of the scripts written by CD Projekt RED but later created by Studio Trigger. I remember they said in an interview that they needed the character to make Edgerunner feel more anime.
Hey Georgia Dow, I don't know if you noticed, but your favorite scene here with Rebecca at 7:17 ? She's doing the same gun tricks for everyone that her brother did before he died as a way to remember him. This broke my heart.
I think alot of people like Rebecca more is because she knows she's second fiddle to Lucy when it comes to David's affections. She's still ride or die for David. She looks past her own self interests and protects him throughout the entire show. That and she's just really funny while Lucy seems so dismissive and cold of David half the time but still forms a relationship with him.
As a man who liked Rebecca over Lucy, I’d say being guarded and cryptic or untrusting wasn’t the problem. Those are all things that I relate to, and can be fascinated by in another person. It is much simpler than that; Rebecca is upbeat. I want someone with energy and personality because that’s what I need in my life. If Rebecca were less direct, or less honest, more cryptic etc, I’d still gravitate towards her because of her energy.
@@dantespicysausage9615 That is completely fair though, she never claimed to have cared for any of them. They were David's family, to her it was just colleagues.
@@anitaremenarova6662 No, she didn't. David stuck with Lucy, not vice versa. Lucy actively disconnects and distances herself from David repeatedly, even going on her entire personal journey alone without him. An action that gets David, Rebecca, and Kiwi killed I might add. Had she let David know, actually stuck with him, then David would have been there when she gets ambushed and none of the ending would have happened.
@@ZeroNumerous Yeah but she was literally protecting him from Arasaka. It was bad that she never told him about it but that was sticking by him. Also no need to get heated, I agree with the rest. She clocked out at the worst possible moment and got herself damsel in distress'd which ended up in all their deaths and that is fully on her.
I never understood this before, but this is the type of person my woman is. When we first met, I’ve been running around telling my friends how calm, confident and collected she is, so stoic with all the shit she’s been through in her life. And then she started to open up to me. And I found, underneath this wall of confidence and control, a pretty, silly and fragile girl she could never afford to be, and that just needed love and acceptance
Everyone's input seems to be addressing the emotionally open and communicative versus walled-off and stoic contrast, and while that's certainly an important factor, it doesn't seem like a lot of people really consider the angle that Lucy's approach to her relationship is just real toxic. Consider: Rebecca is concerned for David and expresses that concern by engaging him in realtalk. She's not confrontational about it, but she makes clear her sincerity about the subject in contrast to her usual jokes and provides her suggested input as a request without pushing him on it. Whereas Lucy is concerned for David and expresses that concern by taking action on his behalf without his knowledge or consent out of a belief that she's doing it for his own good (and that by extension she is qualified to judge what is best for him without any say from him). This is what some people would call a red flag.
Dont look to much to the real world for comparisons when looking at her personality though. The world they live in is vastly different to ours and while David dident know it she really was looking out for him. If she told him people were snooping around he could have done something to draw attention to himself which would have made it worse. He wasent exactly the most subtle tool in the shed.
You also have to take into consideration Cyberpunk setting. Noone other than Lucy knows that Arasaka tries to get to him bcs if Maine or rest of the group knew they would share that information with their Faraday (Fixer) bcs not many ppl in Cyberpunk universe turn coat on their fixer, if they do then they are done for in this world. I could make argument that even David would not want to obscure that info against their fixer since his idealistic approach to being Edgerunner. Not to mention a chance of betrayal that Night City is rampant with.
@@demoulius1529When it comes to judging what she did.. let see the final results: she broke their relationship, made him suffer a lot, and he still died saving her.. with the rest of the team except for Falco btw.
The problem is that Lucy needs help, like professional help. She's gone through so much and carries a lot of trauma, and in turn is very scared and not trusting. And in the end she is able to go to the moon but shes alone as she had everything she really wanted but ended up pushing it away. There is a lot to love about Lucy as she is full of dreams and ambition but she lets fear rule her life. Rebecca is a little harsh, but she's sincere and open. She trust her friends and she does have other traumas like losing her brother, but she doesn't let it control her.
"needs help, like professional help" Well we can say that about any Cyberpunk character, after all they all live into some crazy dystopian future and many of them use brain implants that futher distort their minds. Also bear in mind that Rebecca is certainly not happy with David not taking her seriously, also Rebecca seems to be a little out of control and childish. All characters are bit crazy.
"People that are caretakers think that they cartake enough that this is going to be received and that secret wish of every caretaker is to be caretaken themselves." Damn you really had to call me out on that one. Becca's is literally the exact same type of person I am watching so she is genuinely literally me
I actually really liked Lucy. She surprised me that she wasn't the tired trope of a heartless and mysterious femme fatale. I was actually shocked that she WASN'T a bastard. I'm so used to the trope of a mysterious vixen luring men into some kind of trap and basically punishing the main character for being interested in them. It's such a common trope (and let's be honest there's not many people you can trust in the cyberpunk universe) that even after we start to see her showing feelings I still didn't know if she was being sincere or it was just another con.
Bro you literally described exactly what happened? The only reason you know she did so much to help David is cause you’re watching her do it. If you look at Lucy through David’s eyes that’s exactly what she did which was basically the final nail in his coffin.
Interesting thing I noticed as you were mentioning Rebecca being right there all the time. Rebecca lives in the moment, and helped David deal with the immediate threats in the fights they got in. Lucy, however, was more distant and cold, and she was helping keep David safe from the enemy on the horizon/off in the distance.
@@user-fp3in2kf3b They’re first interactions, when she realized he was using the Sandy and called in her team, distracting him with a BD on the moon. She pretended to be his friend.
As a character i like Lucy better. But IRL I think i'm closer to Lucy's personality myself, and attracted to people with similar attitudes as Rebeca. And i don't know how to feel, act or do about it. I struggle to open up to people as I meet them but slowly open up to them when i get to know them more, and when "normally"people would think that the friendship/relationship is "close" to its beast I tend to close myself again (in fear of losing them), but it ends backfiring and letting me alone again
After watching your video I am looking at Lucy a different way. I think I am more of a mix of the two now. Rebecca is when I am comfortable and in my element with my ADHD. Lucy is when I am out of my element and having anxiety and depression. I always love the videos Georgia. Thank you!!!!
Keep in mind the first half of the show where Lucy is actually very similar to Rebecca, she's upbeat and doing what she wants and very direct with her emotions. It's only when she starts fearing for David's life and realizing she can't do anything to stop him from ruining himself, that's when she turns towards anxiety and more emotional distance. But when she's comfortable, she's just as upbeat and unhinged as Rebecca when the moments call for it.
I feel like if I met Lucy irl I would probably find her cold, bitter, stuck up and unfun. I'm not sure I would get to the point of getting close enough to realize that she is actually pretty kind, loving, passionate and does everything to protect the person she cares about most.
I’m not gonna lie, Lucy was such a good character that I absolutely developed a soft spot for her even though Becca hit all my buttons, even down to the unnatural hair and skin color 😅 But I absolutely embraced Lucy as the love interest for David. That scene of them escaping the ambulance together was fantastic.
So personally, I'm a more quiet reserved type of person, I'm INFJ and usually introverted, and I prefer to watch people. Lucy is probably more of my pace when it comes to a friendship. But what I value the most is honesty and openness when it comes to people I would like to form long-term relationships so bacca attracted me with that a lot, plus her capacity for empathy is extremely attractive to me. Now Lucy underneath her cold exterior seems to be a kind hearted person as well but, her hiding secrets is not something I would like when it comes to a romantic partner. Ironically people see me a lot like Lucy, calculated, and reserved but brutally honest when asked. So if Lucy was simply honest with me as much as I would be with her, we probably would be unbreakable.
P.S. my comment missed something, when it comes to secrets I'm not talking about boundaries, I'm talking about the boundaries you have should at least be clear, especially to your romantic partner.
@minutemansam1214 it's not bunk, as you think. It is actually based on psychology and the answers that you're giving instead of time or randomness. But I will say it's not 100% accurate, it's not supposed to be, it gives a general understanding of who you are based on your answers, it's not supposed to be some answer to your life, in fact people understand that your type is even subject to change, because well people change over time, despite all of that though, out of Astrology, and card reading, for me it was the most accurate telling of myself. There are a lot of people who say that it is fake because They don't understand psychology, or they don't understand the objective of the test
Lucy plays hard to get, she keeps people at a distance, and makes you question her so you’ll stay at a distance. Rebecca doesn’t, she trusts whole heartedly, and makes it easy for you to trust her. People don’t like hard to get, they don’t like to be vulnerable with someone shady, they’d rather be vulnerable with someone they can trust
Rebecca is a real ride or die, even if she isn't getting the chance to ride her boy in return, and chose to go down swinging rather than abandon him like Lucy did. Not saying Lucy did anything wrong, but she certainly didn't do a whole lot right either, hence the tragedy.
I think the simplest explanation is the best one - Rebecca was honest, loyal, and considerate; Lucy was pretty much the polar opposite. In the end, Lucy's unwillingness to confide in her team was the reason they were all killed. She had a martyr complex and didn't really consider how playing the hero would actually put her loved ones in immense danger, she was pretty damaged and she didn't seek to change it or get help, she let it destroy her, almost willfully falling into the pit of despair. They actually wrote David really well, because he was a troubled kid with a chip on his shoulder, and Lucy's mystique appealed to that side of him, it made perfect sense that he would pine after her despite Rebecca more or less throwing herself at him. For all intents and purposes, Rebecca was the better partner for him, but we don't control who we love, and David was completely smitten. I'd be willing to bet that more emotionally immature (and thereby typically younger) fans of the show would be more likely to go for Lucy, while those with more life experience would see the immediate red flags and be a little more guarded, likely more receptive to Rebecca.
People likekin Becka over Lucy may have something to do with knowing Cyberpank lore. In Cyberpunk lore cyberpsychosis is caused by a combination "chroming-up" and emotional isolation and/or depression. Lucy distancing herself from David so she could hunt down Arasaka operatives hunthing him, and not telling him WHY she's distancing, pretty much caused his cyberpsychosis. So It's kind of understandable why we don't like the girl who pretty much pushed the main character into a death spiral and kept doing the absolute opposite things she needed to to save him.
No, Lucy did not "cause David's cyberpsychosis", nor did she "push him into a death spiral". David was his own man and made his own decisions. He was responsible for those decisions. He could have eased up on the Chrome, done less jobs, etc, any time. He didn't, and he's responsible for what happened to him. It wasn't Lucy's job to save him. Every person is only responsible for themselves.
@@Manuelomar2001 >It wasn't Lucy's job to save him. Not the way Lucy seen it. Saving him was her main motivation. The fact she did the absolute opposite through misunderstanding and arrogance is what makes it tragic.
I'm a Lucy who's best friend was a Rebecca. It was both exhausting, and exhilarating. I like to think that we complemented each other. He gave me the energy I lacked, and I gave him the restraint he didn't have. I can understand why people would prefer a Rebecca, in this day and age it's difficult to find someone who's so open about who they are and what they want.
I'm a complete opposite if this with my friend, he's the distant controlling one and I'm an open book (mostly). It's occasionally pretty hard and we near quit on each other a few times but we stick around and have fun still You parted ways i presume? How come, if you don't mind?
Well because when people want to be social they will interact with social people not closed people...leaving closed people in the dust and to swim in their own issues and depression solo
The biggest issue is the way Lucy chose to handle what she perceived as threats to David and their relationship. Rather than talking to him about it, she just shut him out and continued to withdraw further and further from him, choosing to handle the issue by herself.
Rebecca fan, but I also am that Rebecca. I'm very open and honest, very much like to live in the second, always communicative with others because they can't read my mind. I also feel those downsides of being Rebecca due to that personality, I'm too much for a lot of people. I recognize it, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
I'm not like Rebecca and that's precisely why I like her more than Lucy, being with someone who has the exact same personality as you isn't good in the long run, you'll just reinforce each other's flaws instead of pushing each other to be better people together.
Lucy because I understand trauma myself and how hard it is to connect with people. Most people assume I'm always calm but that isn't true. Ptsd either makes me angry at everything or want to isolate and that coupled with anxiety makes it hard to be able to open up to new people. (Thankfully I have a loving wife❤) Lucy did go rescue D' when he was kidnapped by that B.D. film editor. She killed those people who wanted him dead but did something without him knowing. She did try to stop him from getting chromed up when she saw the first symptoms of his cyberpsychosis. Rebecca couldn't say no to him (enabling) but she did go rescue Lucy because she cared for him. Rebecca has a big heart but someone who's a manipulator could try to abuse that type of love and loyalty that Rebecca had. Lucy challenged him because she cared. Lucy and David were both damaged (D' seeing his mom killed, losing Maine and friends) so communication was hard for both partners. I mean, both girls are a good catch provided you don't abuse Rebecca's love and have the patience for Lucy to earn your trust. Honestly I probably relate more to V' in Cyberpunk2077 character wise.
Rebecca is open, fun, and loyal. Lucy is guarded, serious, and one of the things she did that had a major impression on people was that she kept David distracted while Maine and the crew were on their way to come rip the Sandi right out of David's back if they had to. I think if it wasn't for that early betrayal a lot of the fanbase would like her more. I mean, obviously David started falling for her when she was laughing maniacally while they zipped the wrong way down the highway on a hospital gurney. Now, I get that few people are going to be as loyal as the guarded person that has opened up to you, but that early betrayal is just such a big hit, and that she continues to be guarded (regardless of it being to protect David) just makes it harder for people to really warm up to her. Meanwhile, Rebecca has the kind of personality that is really easy to get to know and like, the problem is the loyalty of a person like her usually comes with the baggage of being a magnet for problems (ironically, when push comes to shove, Rebecca is shockingly practical). Also, strange side note. Rebecca playing with her guns, ejecting and reloading rounds to show off after a job? Reminds me a lot of how her brother Pilar would balance trays of drinks and other feats of dexterity with his cyber hands to show off after a job. Also, the way Pilar hung on Lucy at times, not too dissimilar to the way Rebecca was hung up on David. Like many siblings, as different as they were, they were also remarkably similar. (I've heard people familiar with my family remark how similar my two brothers and I are to each other, despite how we are also very different.)
I felt Rebecca was a better match for David due to her resilience, candor and more forceful personality. She would have likely been more effective at checking David and countering his slide into psychosis, sort of like Dorio was for Maine and as we clearly saw in the series, she is less destroyed by the loss of someone close to her. Lucy was a soul already damaged, already bearing cracks of being hurt and left and abandoned. David talked the talk about staying, about not dying and then did the very opposite, doing his level best to push deeper and deeper into his own destruction. I think he heart was in the right place, he wanted to protect her but she did not want to lose him in that exchange. His drive to be 'somebody special' eclipsed everything and every one else... his mother, his friends and most damaging of all, Lucy. They all suffered deeply for his need to shine. I find myself torn between the two concepts, someone like Rebecca would pull me outside of my self, push me to be more, to burn brighter while someone like Lucy I would coil myself around, protect and stay with until the world burned around us... a turn inward or a turn outward, either sounds lovely.
His drive to be special was only made worse by Lucy though. Lucy didn't seem to take notice of David's unstable mental state, and never said or did anything to assuage his worries. She even started to actively push him away when he needed her the most, for no reason other than keep him from finding out that he was in danger after catching Arasaka's eye.
@@GremlinSciences she tried to be distant with him and leave him to maine and his crew to be his support, but maine realised he loved her, encouraged him to tell her his feelings and lucy fell for him the more she pushed him away because he was the only one who understood her ambition and that she was lonely. she shared her greatest wish with someone whom she fell in love with. she tried to discourage him and yet she couldnt stand being alone from him. even though David was fast, she had hoped he wouldnt catch up to her and her heart. instead he ran past her and stole her heart in the process.
I think Rebecca's personality is appealing because she has two traits that people like that aren't often found together. She very outgoing, energetic, flirty, and fun. The problem is that many women I have met like that are manipulative (basically narcissists and sociopaths who do it draw people in) or absolutely batshit crazy. Not crazy in "We have so much fun; she's so crazy" but "try to stab you in the face with a vegetable peeler" (true story) crazy. And she's also very honest, upfront, and loyal. She's will stick her neck out for you and is willing to risk her life for the people she cares about. Her loyalty and empathy would negate the absolute manic chaos she brings to the table, so she'd be awesome to be around if you were her friend.
All these praises for Rebecca...but in irl you would not stay with her for long. She would either be "friendzoned" or be a fck-buddy, never a true girlfriend. Kinda like the "NiceGuy™" situation.
Rebecca: You probably won't meet someone like that IRL. Lucy: You probably would meet someone like that IRL For a lot of people, "fixing" others is not their thing. It's not about "I don't want to help this person", but more like "I am not qualified to help this person" or "I dunno how to deal with this". Someone with a ton of PTSD can give someone else PTSD from just sharing their experiences. It's wild, but happens. And many don't want that kind of negativity in their lives, so they will try to get away or not put themselves in those kinds of situations. Hence why people don't like surrounding themselves with people like Lucy, but preferably people like Rebecca. They don't want to just abandon them, but don't want to be burdened either. This is also a big reason why many people with PTSD are afraid to open up: They don't want to burden anyone else. But finding a person who can take it AND help... Difficult. Yeah, that's why we have therapy.
It felt like Lucy spent half the season moping while hiding from everyone. And then she decided to go in without backup, even though she knew they wouldn't have asked questions if she asked them not to. In a relationship, she would have become controlling and paranoid due to her own insecurities and David would be doing all the work in it. It would be nothing short of stressful in something that's not supposed to be, and David would have pushed himself too far eventually with no other way to release that stress, because that's the kind of person he is. Rebecca on the other hand you can trust to have your back when it counts. She's a fellow street rat that will walk through hell and flip off the devil for the team. In a relationship, she pulls her own weight and puts in as much (or more) effort as you do to make it work. She's the one trying to convince David to go light on the chrome multiple times because she saw what it was doing to him, again as opposed to Lucy who didn't notice anything despite sleeping right next to him. So yeah, Rebecca > Lucy.
@@insertname3977 chill in terms of mental stability and how she communicates and handles relationships. Lucy is a walking trauma victim that would be a horrible base for a relationship
@thebandit9982 She wasn't mentally stable though. Mentally stable people don't shoot at their siblings or pull out a gun because some bouncer said you can't enter the club. She was an angry loli for the most part of the show, and yes while loyal to David, also was an enabler to his descent. People just like these things because they don't have to deal with people like her in real life. All that loyalty, affection, carefree attitude doesn't mean shit when they pull a knife on you in the heat of the moment, or put you in a situation where you have to deal with a group of pissed off individuals looking to kick the shit out of you.
@@insertname3977 Good point. A real life Rebecca would be fun, but there would always be that risk she would bit off more than she could chew. I knew a girl when I was a teenager that was kind of similar in that she was short, wore pigtail, and had temper that would have been terrifying in a man. Actually, it was still pretty scary in this 4'11 gymnast. So while there we definitely fun moments (the type Maine would have approved of...) there were also moments like her grabbing my head and basically swinging herself around on in some insane rage. That might not sound like much, but try swing a 100 pound weight around with your head to see how that that sucks.
@@thebandit9982 Bruh Rebecca was crazier than Lucy, I would 100% prefer a relationship with someone like Lucy that was more humane and realistic over some goofy ahh 5'1 pixie girl that is extremely manic and agressive
I think it can be simplified very easily, David pursues Lucy, but Rebecca pursues David. Lucy may be a romantic and hiding her emotions or whatever, but it is far easier to become attached when the other person wants your attention rather than pretending to avoid you
My personal preference for Rebecca is just typical for the kinds of characters I like. The "what you see is what you get" type where there's no intrigue, or second guessing what kind of person they are. I've seen plenty of characters who hide things about themselves, who put up walls and keep secrets, and in comparison to those who are upfront about who and what they are, the former just never appeals to me as much. I know there's interest, and understandably so, in the mystery with characters like Lucy, but speaking personally, I'll prefer open over guarded any day 😊
oh it's simple because Lucy manipulates and uses emotion to get what she wants. Gets upset when David doesn't live up to her expectations, becomes cold and distant. Rebecca is just ride or die no matter what, open and honest. she doesn't judge she is just happy to have people that care about her.
@@archersterling6726 and I'm a Lucy kind of guy, so I complete with people like Rebecca.. it means we're meant for each other.. Oh wait! You said you are also a GUY!! so does it mean we're Homosexuals??
I personally prefer Lucy as my wife has some elements of her character and I do as well so I know how navigate communication when she may have a hard time saying whats on her mind. Though she is usually very outspoken lol.❤❤
I think David went for Lucy SPECIFICALLY because he was a teenager. She's classic hot girl for teen boy, especially of that world I'd gather. He has that young energy instinct to take care of her because the problems radiate off of her, and he imprints because he's young so once she shows any affection he's caught. If he had been older, he would have gone for Rebecca. The family thing, serious commitment showing, and going to be a friend and not distinctly in the girlfriend role with how down to earth she is can be intimidating. That's all you want when you get older though. Lucy is a huge red flag in comparison.
wow, that's incredibly reductionist. as if outwards displays of affection is the only variable to consider. Many people go for Rebecca, clearly, but that doesn't mean Lucy is the wrong choice for everybody.
The video takes Lucy's behavior as purely defensive, but you could easily see a lot of her behavior as manipulative. She isn't necessarily pure in her motivations.
@@Cybertech134 what I take issue with is the idea that Rebecca is the only right choice for anyone, and especially that Rebecca is the "mature" choice. Rebecca clearly appeals more to a lot of people, and that's fine. However, it's wrong to think Lucy is merely toxic or otherwise socially stunted with no redeeming qualities. Lucy is much more subdued, but she clearly cares deeply for David and shows affection, albeit less overtly. The world these characters live in is rife with danger and unstable social dynamics. Kiwi's and Faraday's betrayals are not exactly nice, but they fit well within this world. Lucy is more aware of the fragility of their lives than most, and she tries to subtly remind David of that. Something that stuck out to me is that David doesn't really have anything in common with Rebecca intellectually. what will they talk about, beyond superficially checking in on each other and work related topics? David's chemistry with Lucy is readily apparent throughout. they're on the same wavelength intellectually in a way David just isn't with Rebecca. Furthermore, it was clear from early on that Lucy was genuine in her affection and interest in David. They're fairly similar. David himself is fairly avoidant in his displays of affection as well, albeit much easier to read than Lucy. David is clearly shaped by a less than stellar childhood. He understands Lucy's nature well, and he gets along well with it, and vice versa. Despite their inferred traumatic backgrounds they have a healthy relationship dynamic, given the circumstances. they don't exactly have the safest of professions in the safest of environments. even so, their relationship works. Slightly unrelated, but David's descent into his self destructive behaviour after the Maine incident was quite the piece of character assassination in my view. with all the people around David, especially Lucy, and his experiences, one would think he would have the opposite reaction to further augmentation than he actually did.
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This is just me, 99% that is who I am to the letter (attachment issues, fixing placebos, open/shut. BPD2 blablabla. The worst and best sides of it all combined.). I know it already but to hear someone break it down like this is pretty unsettling. Incredible video, FML...
This is one of those shows that's completely different if you watch the Japanese performances. In the Japanese version Lucy MOURNS everything she's done to David. You can really hear it near the end, and even in the middle when they're successful in their own place yet Lucy has misgivings about the effects that success was having on him. And her performance really pays off that incredible outro that happens after every episode. If David had had the option of being in a healthier place, he could have heard what Rebecca was saying, but David wanted what he saw not what he heard. I also really like Lucy because of her ability to realize the effects of her actions.
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I can kinda relate to how Lucy acts tbh. It's not that we don't want to let people in, but we've been burned so much in the past that it's difficult to bring down the walls we built. We don't open up because we're afraid of letting people close and being vulnerable. We just don't want to get hurt again. We still hope for the right person to come along and chip away and the shell we put ourselves in while staying cautious. It can honestly be exhausting because we want to be closer to people but our fears prevent us from letting it happen and we always feel like we push people away when that's the opposite of what we want. This is just my personal take on it anyway
I think that part of it is that as outside observers it is easier for us to empathize with Rebecca over Lucy as a match for David. We can see that she is pursing him as opposed to Lucy who is trying to avoid him. If we saw our friend in a similar situation we would tell him to try the other girl because we would percieve that as healthier. As viewers we see David, an orphaned teenager going after this pretty girl who does not want to give him the time of day. Half of viewers are likely flinching at some bad highschool memories and shouting at him, "No man, go for the girl that is interested in you."
I think there's also a question of exposure. I've found that high energy characters are often picked more often because people can imagine interacting with them just as much as they want and no more. I would be miserable living in close proximity to someone like Rebecca because beyond the fun I could have I'm still living close to a nuclear reactor in human form for the rest of the time when I'm not up to dealing with that level of energy from others.
Good point. I notice in general people often don't fully think things through in their romantic fantasies. largely for that very reason you are only imagining the dose you want and then you can go to imagining something else. That said I do not think you have to be interacting with her being hyper 24/7. People sleep and people can still spend time with friends. A relationship does not mean having your time monopolized by someone or even always being in close proximity to them in some cases.
The idea thay Becca took David to the side and was "real for a sec" and just told how concerned she was about him in a straight forward non-explosive manner kinda lets you know she isnt always a nuclear reactor of energy ... Well she might be but she isnt always on meltdown level of criticality, she can also have low outputs
Seems people who pick Lucy ignore that she started off her relationship with David by betraying him, and she’d do the same to anyone else. The only reason David is in her life is because she can use him. Becca just genuinely liked David.
I learned a lot more about people in relationships. My first relationship ended quick due to my caretaking persona, and not feeling the reciprocation Immediately. I understand now that there has to be an even playing field and I need to Understand my boundaries as well as theirs. Thank you for the deep dive into cyberpunk
I voted to hear what you had to say on the topic, but honestly I'd prefer Lucy if I met these characters in person. I'm an Isolating, introverted, avoidant type of person, So I think Lucy and I could just sit (probably on the floor, don't know why, but that hits different), and talk. I also don't mind if people hold back information until they're ready, if they don't want to share yet, that's up to them, but when they do it can be such a valuable and deep experience. People like Lucy take a long time to get to know, but from my experience, it's worth it. I find people like Rebecca to be really fun in the moment, but really exhausting over time
I wish the game had more characters like Rebecca. Not personality wise, but different heights, crazy skin tones, etc. Ingame people look too "common" for a cyberpunk setting
while rebecca is one i'd lean towards because she is endearing, lucy is the type i'm more drawn to, my significant other having a personality very close to lucy. she is reserved but loosens up quite a bit when you've gotten to know her, and while her actions can be subtle at first, it becomes aware that her feelings are genuine after a time because it takes time to have her show that. so it feels strong somehow.
@@ethosterros9430 considering lucy was trying to abandon that goal and save david i don't think that is very fair to lucy's character. so no, that's not a thing i hold against lucy. i would hold it against kiwi though.
Lucy and I are very similar, I have been betrayed multiple times, even by family so I know what it's like. She was betrayed once, I also had people I cared for die infront of me (two grandparents, one grandmother) but when I had a friend die and I heard about his death, I broke down very hard. I cant even look at thanksgiving without thinking about my friend. So I can empathize with Lucy, and I feel like how introverted and guarded we are that we would be understanding on how we both operate. Rebecca is cool, but I would perfer her as a friend.
Lucy's introduction was her selling David out without a thought. Rebecca's introduction was her welcoming David to the team and offering him a drink. Lucy's final moments were her leaving David to die. Rebecca's final moments were her dying for David. Nuff said.
@@kingmakaii Yeah its a stretch. She still did it though where Rebecca definitely wouldn't have. I just wanted to point out the polarization between their behaviors. Where Rebecca charged in for her friends and her brother, ready for death if it came -- Lucy hesitated and was convinced to abandon David whether for better or worse. Rebecca is reciprocative. David would NOT have abandoned Lucy even if Falco told him to. Heck, he charged in after Maine despite Lucy telling him not to. There are so many parallels that show many of the characters willing to die for one another. And then there's Lucy.... Who sat back both as she sold David out. Who sat back again as Maine and Dorio died. And who sat back a final time at the finale. It's a reoccurring theme with her.
Her introduction was going on a cool moon date together, being that vulnerable with someone you just met the same day takes much more courage than just sharing a drink. Also she didn't make that choice, David made it for her via Falco. I like Becca more as well but let's not blatantly mischaracterize Lucy here, she just has bad trauma.
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I pick Lucy (didn't see the poll) but I can understand how people relate more to the more straight-forward Rebecca. I'm a sort of quiet, pensive person deep down (despite being a social comedian) so I like Lucy but also Rebecca never sold David out to Mane's crew lol. It's also clear Rebecca likes David right off the bat and Lucy has to come around to admitting to herself how she feels about David (and letting a person in to her life with the dangerous quest she's on) so I can see people liking that too.
Lucy revealed herself to be a trash person when she sold David out and called up criminals to literally murder him. She is no better than those other people that tried to kill David and take his implant just because they were in a position to do so. Rebecca on the other hand... Always supportive and even died fighting alongside him. I feel like if David had chosen Rebecca instead of Lucy, he might've survived in the end. Rebecca was more attentive and supportive while Lucy was entirely self centered and only consumed with her own baggage and problems. I think Rebecca could've prevented David from overdoing it with the implants and going psycho.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Doesn't matter... the fact that Lucy can set up another person like that is a huge red flag. If they had shown Rebecca do the same thing then it would be the same thing.
I would say its the opposite, becca is literally a manic pixie dream girl the entire time shes on screen, that type of girl is called a "beatiful worst mistake" for a reason, Lucy starts like one but later down the road overall shes way more humane and realistic. Like lots already said, Lucy is a "piece of work" or a "break the shell" person, Becca was loyal from the get-go but considering her personality I dont think she would be as "true" of a loyalty or love as people here think
You described it well. Lucy has that distant love I want to chase deeply and earn affection from, but Rebecca is the type of person who I genuinely need.
I like Rebecca because she's like me... If I had someone like her as a friend or a partner, we'd amplify one another and become obnoxiously nice, especially if we are partners, and we'd be annoying everyone with our overflowing love. Fine by me! 😄 On the other hand, I'd still try to be a friend to Lucy since she's in need of help.
Lucy was and still is my pick of the two. She is very relatable, and I always empathize significantly with this archetype. The mystery, the frustration of initial interactions, annoyance but alluring desire to inquire further, the realization that there is more to them, the slow melting of the outer layers, and then the reveal of who they always have been but were too afraid to show. It's easy to love someone who puts themselves out there. It's harder to love someone who is afraid to be loved. It feels much more meaningful and satisfying to see these relationships happen. I liked your analysis of this. Loved this video.
i was a Rebecca, open-minded, fun and loud with the people around me. then I met my ex, who was manipulative, toxic and controlling of me. he made me lost all my friends, while he ended up cheating on me repeatedly. all the things that I told him about because I trusted him and confided in him, was ultimately used against me. (e.g. saying my late friend suicided because I bullied her) I'm now more of a Lucy, cautious, traumatized and generally avoidant towards people.
I always think it was a tie between Lucy and Rebecca. Both are those kinds of "I will die for you" type girls but maybe for different reasons and expressions. Rebecca lost the love war, so I guess that's one reason why people side with Rebecca. Many people can relate to how unresponded love feels.
Lucy is too cold for most people to enjoy. Her love is a love you dont even get to enjoy, because she's never open with it. Lucy also isn't someone who will stick by you unless you provide her with what David provided her.
@@viennasavage9110 And what did David provide her with exactly? He just treated her as an equal when everyone else in her life failed to do so. That's honestly just the bare minimum.
@@anitaremenarova6662 He basically achieved her dream for her, and literally worked for her just because she asked. David has not a single time ever said no to her or declined anything she's given him. He's supported her nonstop even if it killed him or got him in danger from the get-go. She knew she had him hooked, that's literally how she fooled him by selling him out to Maive.
@@viennasavage9110 Oh you mean Lucy, I was talking about Rebecca in my previous comment. Did you perhaps mean to say "Lucy" and instead mistyped "Rebecca" there?
I've always been weak to "the manic pixie dream girl" thrope, even being well aware of the thrope and how unrealistic and borderline toxic it is, it often gets me. With Lucy I acctually got more interested in her after she dropped the pixie facade, she is complex, broken, smart and interesting. Becca just reminds me of my little sister so in context of the anime I saw her more as a BFF or younger sibling that needs protecting ^^ .
Rebecca is an extrovert that appeals to other extroverts and to introverts who appreciate a more dominant personality type as well as having someone _pursue_ them outright. Lucy is an introvert that appeals to other introverts and to extroverts who appreciate people who're more level-headed, mysterious, and who're more exclusive with their feelings.
For me its Rebecca over Lucy because of the openness. Lucy and me share the problem of lacking trust, but for different reasons. She was warned not to trust, but didn't actually face a big betrayal until the very end. Meanwhile I feel I've suffered a long series of little betrayals over the course of my life. Rebecca's openness, I could trust.. though I'm fairly certain I'd be the obsessive type when it would come to a person like that.
Panam is a lot more like Lucy. she didnt even trust V just like Lucy didnt trust David on the monorail. she didnt even tell V what was her beef with Saul and why she was driven out of the aldecaldo camp.
Honestly my issue with Becca was that she's a quick tempered and violent individual who doesn't stop to think before she causes an issue to develop. I've known people like that all my life, yes they were loyal, friendly, and caring but all that doesn't matter when they pull a knife on you for saying something that gets them angry.
Pretty much, people can say all they want about Lucy but I rather deal with her coldness, than be with someone explosive like Rebecca. All these dudes who chose Rebecca would not actually tolerate her for long.
I feel like people picking rebecca over lucy also has to do with the current relationships dynamic that I see. especially in dating. as a guy myself and having asked most of my (male) friends, one thing becomes very clear. most of them are done with bullshit. bullshit being "uncertainty" or the typical "chase". (just to make it clear, I am talking from a man's perspective, since I am one and I have talked to my guy friends) the guys who are single and ask girls out will asks once, the girl says no, they will never talk to that girl ever again or if it seems just too much effort to even manage to be on good "friendly" terms like it is almost the case between lucy and david at the start of the show. Lucy imo would fall into that archetype, I mean, she literally kinda puts off David for the first few episodes before finally opening up. all of my friends would have immediately dropped pursuing her, because she seems cold and distant. at least they would have stopped looking at her as a potential mate for life. Rebecca on the other hand makes it very clear that she is actually interest in him, but even so, she still is capable of just being the good loyal friend that you need. and all of my friends would have picked her over Lucy. So to some extend I could imagine that this "no bullshit" or "not wasting my time" attitude towards dating and relationships (from the men's side, at least) that developed over the last 10 to 20 years led to at least many men picking the more extroverted, fun, loving, loyal, direct and open person, than the seemingly shy, cold and distant one
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Lucy = Mysterious, distant "goth gf" that you've always wanted
Becca = Your best friend that you should have been with all along
Lucy gave him purpose. he was lost in night city where he lost one of the people he really loved, despite him being a rebellious brat, she worked hard for his future and he took it for granted. through all that, David loved his mother. after her death and David was just Bumming around like a lost puppy, Lucy gave him a life where he fit in. in the end, David only wanted Lucy to fulfill her dreams, yet his dreams was for Lucy to have hers. David saw Lucy had ambition and was as similar as he was. they both werent fitting in night city at all and certainly not as stuffy corpos in arasaka. Rebecca however had a hint of her liking him before Pilar died but that was just it. she was too new in the cast to have a decent backstory so they had her as the muscle, eventually she became Pilar in David's crew, the old heads of the crew died to make way for the new blood but Rebecca was just a heavy. she didnt really give David any semblance of ambition. she cared for David as it was obvious to everyone: David was going over the edge like Maine.
@@johnnysilverhand6518 Lucy gave him a way to run away from pain, Rebecca tried to gave him stability and care, but he was too far gone by that point.
@@yagamijubei28Lucy only did it to assuage her guilt over trying to have him killed when she had a change of heart last minute. Only when Maine, her leader, decided to put him to use did Lucy help him and even that wasn't for his sake, but to ensure he could keep up and be useful. She didn't do anything that was solely for him after he grew on her. It's a lot like Cruel Intentions in that way.
@@Raivo_Melnishow is that a replica of zero 2? I'm a huge darling in the franxx fan and just because people are out going doesn't make them an exact copy of another especially zero 2 she gets too much hate for literally no reason, any reason people hate her is shot down by basic facts
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People seem to miss, one of the main reasons Lucy DOESN'T tell David what she is up to is because she is afraid he will actually embrace what Arasaka wants to use him for. And that fear is not baseless.
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They called me a madman
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She wasn’t doing all that batman stuff for David, she was trying to tie up loose ends so she won’t be pursued.
David wouldn’t abandon his entire character of doing what he does because of others just to be a lab-rat who won’t even be able to climb ranks and be a boss at Arasaka like his mother wanted.
@4m4n40 Nah. You're wrong. If she had so much as TOLD David what she was doing, she could've opened him up to being pursued by Arasaka directly. She couldn't tell him, because that's the only way she couldn't ensure that they wouldn't find him.
@@4m4n40 Emm...if Lucy want just to hide her tracks - it would be wise just disappear, instead of open hunting season on each netrunner that Arasaka hire to search information about David
I wonder why everyone forgets Lucy's first interaction with David is betrayal. That's why Rebecca is so much more popular. She never set a deadly thirst trap.
Except the first time we see Becca is her wanking off the corpo bodyguard to stall him long enough for David and Lucy to hack the cars information. She definitely would do the thirst trap.
Yeah, Lucy was a POS from day 1 fam.
I have to disagree as to her betraying David, she had just met him and she didn't have no loyalty to him. He was an outsider at that point that had something that belonged to her crew/the group of people she did business with. Therefore she never betrayed David, she was being loyal to her team. Had she not set David up then she would be betraying here people. You probably feel that way because you first met David and formed a liking to him. I did the same at first and looked at it that way but after thinking about it. I respect it more because it shows that Lucy is loyal to the people that she is with.
@@Batari30 yeah, and a lot of these people seem to forget that David jumped into the exact same line of work haha. Which is fine, but I doubt he thought of her as a betrayer
@@Batari30 She didnt know the context of David having the Sandevista, plus he was way too confortable with stealing right after meeting up, makes sense Lucy would do what she did.
Rebecca was ride or die. She knew David was going to go insane, that he was heading to his Doom. She tried her best to disuade him but when she saw that her efforts were useless she just went "Screw it." and was with him until the end. Lucy, on the other hand, was distant, cold and she pushed David away.
And why do you think she did? Use your thinking cap buddy, all the clues were in the show. If people did more critical thinking then the world would be a better place.
@@C7y323 my critical thinking lead me to believe your lame.
@@cool-gloom To be honest this reminds me of how Judy in almost all finals she goes away from V, so they aren't lame, in the year 2077 many persons have problems to cope with pain, and this makes emotions more awkward to express, some persons can see dead before others, Lucy did, she have the right to cope, to grief, David went down like Icarus, Lucy loved him, i am thinking if Lucy truly did something wrong but as someone who lost a dear person to me i can't see anything wrong with her pain, her behavior was an answer to the pain, it's illogical, raw, you can barely see through your tears, your head feels heavy and your body numb, wondering if you could have done more for that person, crying, feeling the time in a different way, this is what is about, pain, now maybe that person expressed themself poorly, but their core thought is understandable
Lucy was literally risking her life killing net divers and runners who were trying to find David. She wasn't pushing him away, she was just protecting him. Everyone just always overlooks this because the anime barely covers it.
Becca is ride or die. Lucy is die, but ride I guess until we die.
It's probably because we outright see how selfless Rebecca is, she doesn't stick by David because she's something to gain. She genuinely loves and cares what happens to him even if she doesn't get the same from him. That's true love. Caring about his true happiness above her own.
Yeah. I mean if anything you could even argue that David took advantage of that love too, which ultimately cost Becca her life. She was gonna stand by him regardless of her own approval for the decisions he was making.
Honestly, Both of these characters are the kinds of people that are wonderful people. Lucy is deep, thoughtful, and she's the kind of person that being close to means so much. Rebecca is a true blue companion. She's brash, open, and always a straight shooter with how she feels. But lets be clear. They were both loyal to the bitter end. Rebecca just unfortunately rode it to HER end. She was willing to do what David wanted to do even if she personally didn't like it, didn't agree with it. She stayed at his side no matter how much she hated watching David destroy himself. Lucy wanted to protect David, even if it meant she had to be away from him, and she tries so hard to help David and he just never listens. In their own way, they were both truly ride or die. Davids whole crew (except for Kiwi) was honestly. most of the people he worked with were so tight that they were willing to go ahead with even his stupidest plans and worst ideas because they were true blue friends and they trusted him unconditionally. It cost so much, but if i had to have a crew standing at my back, kick the backstabber to the curb and give me the rest of Davids crew. I'd know they would always be there for me. David was lucky to have the friends he did.
I love this, I definitely prefer Rebecca but Lucy gets too much hate. They went about protecting David in different ways, and depsite the equally pure intentions, you could argue both of them had flaws in their approaches to it that contributed to the tragic ending. Regardless, Lucy and Becca both had their hearts in the right place. Honestly was not a fan of Lucy at the first watch but she really grew on me, once I started reading between the lines instead of taking her at face value.
@@gabriella19452she gets hate for no reason at all....I think ppl just hate that she got a "happy ending" even when if u rlly think about it she didn't. Both Lucy and Becca are great characters
@@pussydestroyer69285 desde mi punto de vista no creo que sea un final feliz para lucy, cuando se dieron el beso y ambos aparecen en la luna creo que ese era su nuevo sueño, ir con David para la luna o que David se volvió su luna, el episodio 10 dice mi luna mi hombre, es solo mi opinión.
@@pussydestroyer69285 she actually got the saddest ending. She spent the entire show trying to save David, not only trying to convince him to quit being an edgerunner, but also dedicated her days to hunting down everyone who tried to get information about him. She also betrayed her old friends to try to save David, which resulted in the death of Maine and Dorio. But even after everything she did, it wasn't enough, she couldn't save David.
She ended up fulfilling her old dream of going to the moon, but without David, the person she wanted to share her dream with. Her dream has been tarnished.
Lol they're both very hazardous people to get involved with.
Lucy doesn't express herself and has deep insecurities, leafing her to do things independently that she really shouldn't. Getting her to tell you things or involve you in her life would be a daily struggle, and we see first hand how that ultimately implodes for her.
Rebecca is pure id and always set to 11. That works out great when she's a merc in a dystopia hellhole but in daily life it'd be actively self-destructive. It would be infuriating trying to keep her from turning every situation into a potential disaster. Someone like her survives off sheer luck, and we see that run out by the end.
Great dream girl waifus but as real people they'd both be nightmares.
Rebecca is still Bae tho.
I loved Lucy for the first few episodes.
The Manic-Pixie-Dreamgirl energy
But then she went into her shell. Got the cold, distant, wont open up.
I love Rebecca's manic energy, loyalty, and openness.
I'm terrible at reading people. So I would have no idea what to do with Lucy. Rebecca would just straight tell me what she wants. And that would be great.
And we know Rebecca can handle the small stuff too.
She's not just always manic excitement. She can calm down, and handles the serious stuff well.
Her brother was shot in front of her. She vanished for a couple episodes, likely deeep in grief processing it all.
But then came back just the same.
So Rebecca is someone that will always be with you. Be open and honest with everything. Tell you what she wants. And can also be there with the calmer stuff to
I think an actual relationship with becca would be a LOT, but it would never be boring, and you'd never be left guessing.
She'd want constant attention and affection. But she'd give it in turn
Hmmm, yeah. Not everybody wants to be "the fixer", and asking everyone to be is unreasonable
I'm also dense when it comes to social cues.
I love Lucy and she loves me. We're as happy as two can be. 🎵😄
Amazing as most people do not notice it is a literary/ classic drama tool thy used. They SPLIT Lucy character. Notice the EXACT second broody inward Lucy appears is the second, literal second before Rebecca appear and say " Hi I am rebecca" They have SPLIT the characters and they only "join" ad when Lucy understands that she was wrong keeping David away ..a t the very second Becca dies...
They are splits of the SAME persona.
@@tiagodagostini there are a couple of those through the series. David has few options, being broke and virtually homeless, but when he does have options, he's driven by the very complex set of feelings he has for Maine. David's big change comes when he's holding Maine's hand, at which point he is oo longer fully David and becomes partially Maine. Both figuratively and literally.
The problem was never Lucy, it was David. He never took Lucy's advice when it mattered the most. Which is sad, because she always had his well being in mind. She probably gave him the best advice and most of the tragedies wouldn't have happened if he just listened.
This right here
So much people are before Lucy's head because "she has the fault". She was just trying to save him, and for the other who say that she isn't "ride or die like rebecca" she didn't want to leave David side, David forced her to do so, to leave with Falco. They put way too much pressure on a girl that maybe isn't even that old, that is trying her best, even when she is terrified all the time...
I agree.
Of course he didn't take her advice, he was a teenager when everything went down. Lucy being the adult should have removed herself from the whole situation or at least set firm boundaries with david.
@@Kemonita I agree but in that sense both Lucy and Rebecca were both older then David and should have known better then him
Rebecca has a lot of "me and the bestie" energy which is why I like her so much
That’s why I noticed her and liked her more- because I never had a “bestie”.
Your best friend can be your lover
But a lover cannot be your best friend
As an introvert, Lucy is my go to. Someone with the personality of Rebecca would be far too overwhelming/annoying/shallow for me.
Jesus christ...
@@90skidcultist
So you're assuming that just because she's an extrovert she's shallow???
Worth Remembering for Lucy: prior to the events of Edgerunners, she was actively used as a child by Arasaka to roam the DataKrash Net, a part of the Net in their world that is destroyed by Rogue AIs and Daemons. Not only that, she was the only one in a group of children (not sure how many) to have survived an escape from that life. So her walls are always up because she doesn’t know who to trust, and why she gets extremely attached to David, who trusts her no matter what.
And she knows Arasaka is after David and risks her life defending him - and doesn’t even tell him so he won’t prevent her from protecting him.
Don't matter. She toxic.
@@annoyingcat5328you’re the type of person if the other person were to give literally the most perfect response, your brain dead comeback would still be the same as this reply
I think Lucy’s personality is the perfect survival trait when you live in a place like night city as an edge runner
Absolutely! Like Rebecca was my favorite and I was upset when she died, but the girl was going to go down in a blaze of glory some time or another
@@Eaglelioncourt MARIO!!! Thats so funny she really did get stomped like a goomba
@@iylamstoywell said
That is right, she is a survivor. If you build a family like that, they will all be survivors. People be hating on the one person in the whole anime that can adapt, and survive like a chameleon.
Rebecca makes me think of "The Giving Tree", by Shell Silverstein. She wants to be David's special person, and goes hard to support him, yet doesn't go the yandere route - she gives him space to be his own person, even when that person is being an idiot.
I really like that she gave him the space to make his own choices, even when she disagreed. I noticed that people keep saying is that Becca was an "enabler" but I think that's an overly negative label for what she was doing. She couldn't force him to lay off the chrome or to call off the mission, and she knew him well enough to know he was gonna go and do what he was gonna do. She argued with him about his wellbeing, wasn't a total pushover about it, but knew the only thing she could do was harm reduction at that point because he was going to do it either way
Lucy went to David like "I'm not like other girls, I'm WORSE!"
David was like "yo, I'm into that, mess me up, G"
Proceeds to die for some thot while she sits in a tub then goes to the moon paid for by him.
He got what he wanted in the end since he had no self of his own.
@@ethosterros9430 David was a kid who followed other people's dreams and never really knew what was going on. Lucy wanted to get out of Night City and went out of her way to protect David even when it pit her against the gang and she saw David was going on a downward spiral headed towards being a cyberpsycho.
It's a dystopia where many of the characters are broken and bad people but I don't think Lucy particularly deserves to be singled out for being a shifty criminal given David just becomes a straight up murderer by the end of the series.
@@greenbrickbox3392 the dangers of simping for damaged women
@@ethosterros9430usually the most damaged ones are the hottest
@@ethosterros9430 did you consider her being a netrunner?
Lucy had an endgame in sight. Rebecca lives her life by the second, knowing the world she lives in is never promised tomorrow. Rebecca goes with the flow, Lucy is planning for the future.
which is why I was always Team Lucy
correct. Lucy had ambition and David understood that when he corrected himself for insulting her dreams
@@yagamijubei28 Selfish ambition.
I'd take Rebecca instead anytime.
I picked Rebecca in the poll because I am pretty avoidant like Lucy. I don't like dealing with that trait in myself, so it seems even more difficult to be around people who are like you in ways you don't like. On top of that, someone who is extra direct in their communication seems even better to have around, especially if they would influence me to "get out of my shell" more, because I have been happier when I am less reserved even if it leads to a few mistakes now and then.
It's also interesting to hear you talk about how avoidant people might be perceived as in control or calm or calculated because I am always surprised at how other people say they regard me. Maybe because I never feel calm or calculated!
Exact same here, I imagine that's the reason she won out in the poll. Most people that watch anime instead of spending time with others because they find it hard to connect or open up probably wouldn't want someone exactly like them as their partner.
yes I think many who are avoidant feel the same way as you do
@@GeorgiaDow It does have me wondering to what extent these sorts of things are static, like I definitely used to be much more outgoing and direct, then a lot of things changed in my life. I improved more and then the pandemic happened, so that definitely isn't surprising, but it seems to have had a lasting effect on me.
@@pmpm1256I understand that preference for the company of someone more extroverted. I do also believe it can be changed or that we don’t have to identify with these personality types. Our character is malleable and can adapt not just in the presence of another who is more open. It’s perfectly natural to have a different personality around someone or in a certain setting.
I am also avoidant but for me it’s quite the opposite. I personally find it much easier to empathize and relate to someone similar to me. Someone highly open and extroverted would be too exhausting to be around.
2:30 That'a actually brilliant. Kiwi taught her never to trust anyone, so "planting those seeds" is Lucy's way of reminding David that anyone could be lying.
My wife is a lot like Lucy. Nothing against Rebecca, but if you ever crack the shell on someone who is like Lucy, then you'll never have to question where you stand with them. You will know that person so much more than most anyone ever will in that person's life. It's a gift that takes work, but the payoff is worth it.
I know a couple people like Lucy myself. They are good people. Just shy and slow to open up. The girl did her best. She was young, traumatized and didn’t realize miscommunication was hurting her relationship. People judge her too much. Glad you got your partner to open up to you.
yes. same. that type is more subtle but when they let you know their feelings you know it's genuine.
💯
I don't know you or your partner. But I have a feeling, if something really bad was happening, and you BEGGED your wife for support and to be there for you, she would be. Lucy would not do that for her partner, after all, she wasn't there for David at that moment until our boy was dying.
So I think your wife is more different from Lucy than you think.
do consider we do have a big chunk of david and lucy's life together missing. david got a body to support a build similar to maine's so we don't know what kind of relation they had together only that both were a bit closed off from one another. ( i do put partial blame of this on david because lucy did try to confront him and he tried to push her off, similar to what he did with becca)
that said.. i don't really have to beg my wife about anything. honestly she tells me i should tell her things more often and she's always there when it's serious. so no, i don't really have to beg her. she's really a great person.
With Lucy she has a very hard exterior, she makes it really hard to earn her trust because of what she has been through in the past but with people like this they're normally some of the most loving and caring people who have been abused for being too nice, if you can earn their trust you'll find a partner for life. I'm very much like Lucy, I give off this persona that "I don't care, I don't need anyone I'll do it myself" but all I ever wanted was someone to care for me.
I feel bad for lucy, she did deserve better
Lucy can be tricky given her more reserved and introverted disposition. She's more subtle. For those who have a hard time picking up, she's a piece of work. But that doesn't make her any less loyal. As for Rebecca, she's more extroverted and straightforward and easy to read.
I would argue Lucy is more loyal. She wants to handle the problems in the shadows to not worry David, quietly protect him. She is guarded, reserved, but loved from the beginning.
@@Nempo13 When David practically begged Lucy to come back, and even said he'd cut back on Chrome because he know he'd have her by his side, she pulled away. Because of this, David took the path he did, and we saw how that ended up.
If you call that loyalty, I strongly encourage you to do more research.
@@hayseshouhda5730 I dont recall him saying he would cut back on his chrome. Lucy told him to scale back on his chrome but he said he cant do that.
@@hayseshouhda5730 I don't think you watched the right show mate, or you gotta rewatch it. Lucy was the one asking him to cut back on chrome because she knew what it would do to him, and she saw how he kept living for the dreams of the people he had lost, rather than living for himself and the people in his life that are still alive. David asked Lucy if she wanted to get back in the bizz, and she declined. Reason she declined was because it was clear to her how the only reason David was still in the bizz was because the dreams of his fallen friends and family was the thing that kept pushing him, kept him chroming up, kept him focused on a future with no bright ending. She knew if she went back in bizz with him, then there'd be nothing holding him back from destroying himself fully. That's why Lucy stuck to the shadows because she knew she couldn't convince him straight up, so she wanted to do everything in her power to keep him safe from within the cybernet. Whereas Rebecca might have been with David in a lot of firefights, Lucy was spending every waking hour trying to get him truly out of the mess he was digging himself into. She devoted herself fully to protecting David in the hopes that he'd realize he had more to live for than the dreams of the dead. Sadly, he never came to that realization until it was too late.
If Rebecca truly wanted to save David, she would not have gone with him on these missions, she would have invested herself in his motivations and told him to his face that he's doing the wrong thing - and she'd not stick with him when it was clear his path only led to one place: his own death. Rebecca didn't ever truly oppose David and question the integrity of his motives or how his actions affect those around him. To me that's not hard loyalty, it's neglect.
Straight facts. I honestly think Lucy is even more Loyal
Rebecca was initially not part of the scripts written by CD Projekt RED but later created by Studio Trigger.
I remember they said in an interview that they needed the character to make Edgerunner feel more anime.
Hey Georgia Dow, I don't know if you noticed, but your favorite scene here with Rebecca at 7:17 ?
She's doing the same gun tricks for everyone that her brother did before he died as a way to remember him. This broke my heart.
That and she picking up those huge hand mods after her borther's passing, hands was like his thing rather than hers.
She loved her brother deeply. Same with David, but romantically with him. Rebecca has a huge heart
Just shows that even the clown so to speak has a sensetive side, even akin to Lucy.
Just shows that even the clown so to speak has a sensetive side, even akin to Lucy.
I think alot of people like Rebecca more is because she knows she's second fiddle to Lucy when it comes to David's affections. She's still ride or die for David. She looks past her own self interests and protects him throughout the entire show. That and she's just really funny while Lucy seems so dismissive and cold of David half the time but still forms a relationship with him.
Rebecca's a ride or die, loyalty like that is so rare nowadays that it's no surprise people would find it appealing.
Ride and die... how can you argue with that
@@bryku ride till we die
As a man who liked Rebecca over Lucy, I’d say being guarded and cryptic or untrusting wasn’t the problem. Those are all things that I relate to, and can be fascinated by in another person.
It is much simpler than that; Rebecca is upbeat. I want someone with energy and personality because that’s what I need in my life. If Rebecca were less direct, or less honest, more cryptic etc, I’d still gravitate towards her because of her energy.
These breakdowns are always awesome. It adds replay value to these shows.
that's what I hope for )
Lucy is someone I’d fight for over and over again. She’s loyal to a fault when you’re chosen by her
Ah yes, so loyal she'd let you go die off for her own dream
@@sumdood7410 yeah but oh well
@@sumdood7410 Lucy is inherently selfish
BETA MALE~
BETA~ 🥴
@@sumdood7410 Uhm, David literally had Falco kidnap her. She would have died with him if she had the choice. I guess you didn't watch the show.
I'm definitely a Rebecca kind of love interest for sure because she'll actually stick by you
I mean, Lucy did the same except she wasn't upfront about it.
@@anitaremenarova6662 precisely.
No one's a mind reader, not to mention after key members of the edgerunner crew died she ghosted almost all of them
@@dantespicysausage9615 That is completely fair though, she never claimed to have cared for any of them. They were David's family, to her it was just colleagues.
@@anitaremenarova6662 No, she didn't. David stuck with Lucy, not vice versa. Lucy actively disconnects and distances herself from David repeatedly, even going on her entire personal journey alone without him.
An action that gets David, Rebecca, and Kiwi killed I might add.
Had she let David know, actually stuck with him, then David would have been there when she gets ambushed and none of the ending would have happened.
@@ZeroNumerous Yeah but she was literally protecting him from Arasaka. It was bad that she never told him about it but that was sticking by him.
Also no need to get heated, I agree with the rest. She clocked out at the worst possible moment and got herself damsel in distress'd which ended up in all their deaths and that is fully on her.
I never understood this before, but this is the type of person my woman is.
When we first met, I’ve been running around telling my friends how calm, confident and collected she is, so stoic with all the shit she’s been through in her life.
And then she started to open up to me. And I found, underneath this wall of confidence and control, a pretty, silly and fragile girl she could never afford to be, and that just needed love and acceptance
Everyone's input seems to be addressing the emotionally open and communicative versus walled-off and stoic contrast, and while that's certainly an important factor, it doesn't seem like a lot of people really consider the angle that Lucy's approach to her relationship is just real toxic.
Consider: Rebecca is concerned for David and expresses that concern by engaging him in realtalk. She's not confrontational about it, but she makes clear her sincerity about the subject in contrast to her usual jokes and provides her suggested input as a request without pushing him on it.
Whereas Lucy is concerned for David and expresses that concern by taking action on his behalf without his knowledge or consent out of a belief that she's doing it for his own good (and that by extension she is qualified to judge what is best for him without any say from him). This is what some people would call a red flag.
Dont look to much to the real world for comparisons when looking at her personality though. The world they live in is vastly different to ours and while David dident know it she really was looking out for him. If she told him people were snooping around he could have done something to draw attention to himself which would have made it worse. He wasent exactly the most subtle tool in the shed.
@@demoulius1529 Or worse, openly embraced what Arasaka were seeking to do.
You also have to take into consideration Cyberpunk setting. Noone other than Lucy knows that Arasaka tries to get to him bcs if Maine or rest of the group knew they would share that information with their Faraday (Fixer) bcs not many ppl in Cyberpunk universe turn coat on their fixer, if they do then they are done for in this world. I could make argument that even David would not want to obscure that info against their fixer since his idealistic approach to being Edgerunner. Not to mention a chance of betrayal that Night City is rampant with.
Do you think David would understand her netrunning?
@@demoulius1529When it comes to judging what she did.. let see the final results: she broke their relationship, made him suffer a lot, and he still died saving her.. with the rest of the team except for Falco btw.
The problem is that Lucy needs help, like professional help. She's gone through so much and carries a lot of trauma, and in turn is very scared and not trusting. And in the end she is able to go to the moon but shes alone as she had everything she really wanted but ended up pushing it away. There is a lot to love about Lucy as she is full of dreams and ambition but she lets fear rule her life. Rebecca is a little harsh, but she's sincere and open. She trust her friends and she does have other traumas like losing her brother, but she doesn't let it control her.
"needs help, like professional help" Well we can say that about any Cyberpunk character, after all they all live into some crazy dystopian future and many of them use brain implants that futher distort their minds. Also bear in mind that Rebecca is certainly not happy with David not taking her seriously, also Rebecca seems to be a little out of control and childish. All characters are bit crazy.
@@danielgomez7236 'a bit' is really undercutting it.
"People that are caretakers think that they cartake enough that this is going to be received and that secret wish of every caretaker is to be caretaken themselves."
Damn you really had to call me out on that one. Becca's is literally the exact same type of person I am watching so she is genuinely literally me
I actually really liked Lucy. She surprised me that she wasn't the tired trope of a heartless and mysterious femme fatale. I was actually shocked that she WASN'T a bastard. I'm so used to the trope of a mysterious vixen luring men into some kind of trap and basically punishing the main character for being interested in them. It's such a common trope (and let's be honest there's not many people you can trust in the cyberpunk universe) that even after we start to see her showing feelings I still didn't know if she was being sincere or it was just another con.
That is exactly what happened
Bro you literally described exactly what happened? The only reason you know she did so much to help David is cause you’re watching her do it. If you look at Lucy through David’s eyes that’s exactly what she did which was basically the final nail in his coffin.
Interesting thing I noticed as you were mentioning Rebecca being right there all the time.
Rebecca lives in the moment, and helped David deal with the immediate threats in the fights they got in.
Lucy, however, was more distant and cold, and she was helping keep David safe from the enemy on the horizon/off in the distance.
Except because lucy kept david in the dark about the hidden threats and he fell into the trap anyways.
Lucy also started off by betraying David. She’s good at faking emotion, manipulating others.
@@alwombat7 netrunning is very important
@@brianl8481 how exactly she betray him?
@@user-fp3in2kf3b They’re first interactions, when she realized he was using the Sandy and called in her team, distracting him with a BD on the moon. She pretended to be his friend.
As a character i like Lucy better. But IRL I think i'm closer to Lucy's personality myself, and attracted to people with similar attitudes as Rebeca. And i don't know how to feel, act or do about it. I struggle to open up to people as I meet them but slowly open up to them when i get to know them more, and when "normally"people would think that the friendship/relationship is "close" to its beast I tend to close myself again (in fear of losing them), but it ends backfiring and letting me alone again
After watching your video I am looking at Lucy a different way. I think I am more of a mix of the two now. Rebecca is when I am comfortable and in my element with my ADHD. Lucy is when I am out of my element and having anxiety and depression.
I always love the videos Georgia. Thank you!!!!
Ah yes the all or nothing ness of ADHD. I’m right there with you. No between with us, sadly
@@devinboss3307Same, ADHD means you often have a high risk of death, but you go out being a legend.
@@Rekhan4242 dude I’m training to be a Navy SEAL lol. I’ve accepted I’m probably gonna die young, but I wanna be a badass when it happens.
Oh yeah, Lucy is an ISTP btw, same as me. You should take the 13 personalities test.
Keep in mind the first half of the show where Lucy is actually very similar to Rebecca, she's upbeat and doing what she wants and very direct with her emotions. It's only when she starts fearing for David's life and realizing she can't do anything to stop him from ruining himself, that's when she turns towards anxiety and more emotional distance. But when she's comfortable, she's just as upbeat and unhinged as Rebecca when the moments call for it.
Rebecca actually cared about David’s well being. She openly went after what she wants and is straight forward.
I think people often mistake avoidant personalities for arrogance, I've been through that a lot :/
Tell me about it. And then you get lectured to no end about an attitude adjustment. 🙄
@@XiaoFury The term attitude adjustment brings back the childhood trauma
Same here. Especially true when you're a woman, people think you're stuck-up.
I feel like if I met Lucy irl I would probably find her cold, bitter, stuck up and unfun. I'm not sure I would get to the point of getting close enough to realize that she is actually pretty kind, loving, passionate and does everything to protect the person she cares about most.
I’m not gonna lie, Lucy was such a good character that I absolutely developed a soft spot for her even though Becca hit all my buttons, even down to the unnatural hair and skin color 😅 But I absolutely embraced Lucy as the love interest for David. That scene of them escaping the ambulance together was fantastic.
So personally, I'm a more quiet reserved type of person, I'm INFJ and usually introverted, and I prefer to watch people. Lucy is probably more of my pace when it comes to a friendship.
But what I value the most is honesty and openness when it comes to people I would like to form long-term relationships so bacca attracted me with that a lot, plus her capacity for empathy is extremely attractive to me. Now Lucy underneath her cold exterior seems to be a kind hearted person as well but, her hiding secrets is not something I would like when it comes to a romantic partner. Ironically people see me a lot like Lucy, calculated, and reserved but brutally honest when asked. So if Lucy was simply honest with me as much as I would be with her, we probably would be unbreakable.
P.S. my comment missed something, when it comes to secrets I'm not talking about boundaries, I'm talking about the boundaries you have should at least be clear, especially to your romantic partner.
You guys do know that the Myers-Briggs personality chart is bunk, right? It's up there with astrology, tarot card readings, and flat earth.
@minutemansam1214 it's not bunk, as you think. It is actually based on psychology and the answers that you're giving instead of time or randomness. But I will say it's not 100% accurate, it's not supposed to be, it gives a general understanding of who you are based on your answers, it's not supposed to be some answer to your life, in fact people understand that your type is even subject to change, because well people change over time, despite all of that though, out of Astrology, and card reading, for me it was the most accurate telling of myself. There are a lot of people who say that it is fake because They don't understand psychology, or they don't understand the objective of the test
Lucy plays hard to get, she keeps people at a distance, and makes you question her so you’ll stay at a distance. Rebecca doesn’t, she trusts whole heartedly, and makes it easy for you to trust her. People don’t like hard to get, they don’t like to be vulnerable with someone shady, they’d rather be vulnerable with someone they can trust
Rebecca is a real ride or die, even if she isn't getting the chance to ride her boy in return, and chose to go down swinging rather than abandon him like Lucy did. Not saying Lucy did anything wrong, but she certainly didn't do a whole lot right either, hence the tragedy.
I think the simplest explanation is the best one - Rebecca was honest, loyal, and considerate; Lucy was pretty much the polar opposite. In the end, Lucy's unwillingness to confide in her team was the reason they were all killed. She had a martyr complex and didn't really consider how playing the hero would actually put her loved ones in immense danger, she was pretty damaged and she didn't seek to change it or get help, she let it destroy her, almost willfully falling into the pit of despair. They actually wrote David really well, because he was a troubled kid with a chip on his shoulder, and Lucy's mystique appealed to that side of him, it made perfect sense that he would pine after her despite Rebecca more or less throwing herself at him. For all intents and purposes, Rebecca was the better partner for him, but we don't control who we love, and David was completely smitten.
I'd be willing to bet that more emotionally immature (and thereby typically younger) fans of the show would be more likely to go for Lucy, while those with more life experience would see the immediate red flags and be a little more guarded, likely more receptive to Rebecca.
I'm rather young and I saw all that too, so I'll take your Rebecca compliment to heart, thanks.
People likekin Becka over Lucy may have something to do with knowing Cyberpank lore. In Cyberpunk lore cyberpsychosis is caused by a combination "chroming-up" and emotional isolation and/or depression. Lucy distancing herself from David so she could hunt down Arasaka operatives hunthing him, and not telling him WHY she's distancing, pretty much caused his cyberpsychosis. So It's kind of understandable why we don't like the girl who pretty much pushed the main character into a death spiral and kept doing the absolute opposite things she needed to to save him.
Mans really thought he could fix her (he could not)
No, Lucy did not "cause David's cyberpsychosis", nor did she "push him into a death spiral". David was his own man and made his own decisions. He was responsible for those decisions. He could have eased up on the Chrome, done less jobs, etc, any time. He didn't, and he's responsible for what happened to him.
It wasn't Lucy's job to save him. Every person is only responsible for themselves.
@@anitaremenarova6662 It wasn't his job to fix her. It also was not her job to fix him.
@@Manuelomar2001 True, should've went with Rebecca and none of that would've happened.
@@Manuelomar2001 >It wasn't Lucy's job to save him.
Not the way Lucy seen it. Saving him was her main motivation. The fact she did the absolute opposite through misunderstanding and arrogance is what makes it tragic.
Becca is a lunatic. But she's ride-or-die loyal and always honest. That's why we love her.
I'm a Lucy who's best friend was a Rebecca. It was both exhausting, and exhilarating. I like to think that we complemented each other. He gave me the energy I lacked, and I gave him the restraint he didn't have. I can understand why people would prefer a Rebecca, in this day and age it's difficult to find someone who's so open about who they are and what they want.
I'm a complete opposite if this with my friend, he's the distant controlling one and I'm an open book (mostly). It's occasionally pretty hard and we near quit on each other a few times but we stick around and have fun still
You parted ways i presume? How come, if you don't mind?
Well because when people want to be social they will interact with social people not closed people...leaving closed people in the dust and to swim in their own issues and depression solo
The biggest issue is the way Lucy chose to handle what she perceived as threats to David and their relationship.
Rather than talking to him about it, she just shut him out and continued to withdraw further and further from him, choosing to handle the issue by herself.
Rebecca fan, but I also am that Rebecca. I'm very open and honest, very much like to live in the second, always communicative with others because they can't read my mind. I also feel those downsides of being Rebecca due to that personality, I'm too much for a lot of people. I recognize it, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
I'm not like Rebecca and that's precisely why I like her more than Lucy, being with someone who has the exact same personality as you isn't good in the long run, you'll just reinforce each other's flaws instead of pushing each other to be better people together.
Lucy because I understand trauma myself and how hard it is to connect with people. Most people assume I'm always calm but that isn't true. Ptsd either makes me angry at everything or want to isolate and that coupled with anxiety makes it hard to be able to open up to new people. (Thankfully I have a loving wife❤) Lucy did go rescue D' when he was kidnapped by that B.D. film editor. She killed those people who wanted him dead but did something without him knowing.
She did try to stop him from getting chromed up when she saw the first symptoms of his cyberpsychosis. Rebecca couldn't say no to him (enabling) but she did go rescue Lucy because she cared for him. Rebecca has a big heart but someone who's a manipulator could try to abuse that type of love and loyalty that Rebecca had.
Lucy challenged him because she cared. Lucy and David were both damaged (D' seeing his mom killed, losing Maine and friends) so communication was hard for both partners. I mean, both girls are a good catch provided you don't abuse Rebecca's love and have the patience for Lucy to earn your trust. Honestly I probably relate more to V' in Cyberpunk2077 character wise.
She tried to get him killed how come nobody ever brings this up
Rebecca is open, fun, and loyal. Lucy is guarded, serious, and one of the things she did that had a major impression on people was that she kept David distracted while Maine and the crew were on their way to come rip the Sandi right out of David's back if they had to. I think if it wasn't for that early betrayal a lot of the fanbase would like her more. I mean, obviously David started falling for her when she was laughing maniacally while they zipped the wrong way down the highway on a hospital gurney. Now, I get that few people are going to be as loyal as the guarded person that has opened up to you, but that early betrayal is just such a big hit, and that she continues to be guarded (regardless of it being to protect David) just makes it harder for people to really warm up to her. Meanwhile, Rebecca has the kind of personality that is really easy to get to know and like, the problem is the loyalty of a person like her usually comes with the baggage of being a magnet for problems (ironically, when push comes to shove, Rebecca is shockingly practical).
Also, strange side note. Rebecca playing with her guns, ejecting and reloading rounds to show off after a job? Reminds me a lot of how her brother Pilar would balance trays of drinks and other feats of dexterity with his cyber hands to show off after a job. Also, the way Pilar hung on Lucy at times, not too dissimilar to the way Rebecca was hung up on David. Like many siblings, as different as they were, they were also remarkably similar. (I've heard people familiar with my family remark how similar my two brothers and I are to each other, despite how we are also very different.)
This makes a lot of sense. I usually find myself liking the "friend who is doomed to get friend zoned" archetype in anime.
I felt Rebecca was a better match for David due to her resilience, candor and more forceful personality. She would have likely been more effective at checking David and countering his slide into psychosis, sort of like Dorio was for Maine and as we clearly saw in the series, she is less destroyed by the loss of someone close to her.
Lucy was a soul already damaged, already bearing cracks of being hurt and left and abandoned. David talked the talk about staying, about not dying and then did the very opposite, doing his level best to push deeper and deeper into his own destruction. I think he heart was in the right place, he wanted to protect her but she did not want to lose him in that exchange. His drive to be 'somebody special' eclipsed everything and every one else... his mother, his friends and most damaging of all, Lucy. They all suffered deeply for his need to shine.
I find myself torn between the two concepts, someone like Rebecca would pull me outside of my self, push me to be more, to burn brighter while someone like Lucy I would coil myself around, protect and stay with until the world burned around us... a turn inward or a turn outward, either sounds lovely.
His drive to be special was only made worse by Lucy though. Lucy didn't seem to take notice of David's unstable mental state, and never said or did anything to assuage his worries. She even started to actively push him away when he needed her the most, for no reason other than keep him from finding out that he was in danger after catching Arasaka's eye.
@@GremlinSciences she tried to be distant with him and leave him to maine and his crew to be his support, but maine realised he loved her, encouraged him to tell her his feelings and lucy fell for him the more she pushed him away because he was the only one who understood her ambition and that she was lonely. she shared her greatest wish with someone whom she fell in love with. she tried to discourage him and yet she couldnt stand being alone from him. even though David was fast, she had hoped he wouldnt catch up to her and her heart. instead he ran past her and stole her heart in the process.
I think Rebecca's personality is appealing because she has two traits that people like that aren't often found together.
She very outgoing, energetic, flirty, and fun. The problem is that many women I have met like that are manipulative (basically narcissists and sociopaths who do it draw people in) or absolutely batshit crazy. Not crazy in "We have so much fun; she's so crazy" but "try to stab you in the face with a vegetable peeler" (true story) crazy.
And she's also very honest, upfront, and loyal. She's will stick her neck out for you and is willing to risk her life for the people she cares about.
Her loyalty and empathy would negate the absolute manic chaos she brings to the table, so she'd be awesome to be around if you were her friend.
She's a girl who's one of the boys, in a metaphorical sense.
All these praises for Rebecca...but in irl you would not stay with her for long. She would either be "friendzoned" or be a fck-buddy, never a true girlfriend. Kinda like the "NiceGuy™" situation.
Rebecca: You probably won't meet someone like that IRL.
Lucy: You probably would meet someone like that IRL
For a lot of people, "fixing" others is not their thing. It's not about "I don't want to help this person", but more like "I am not qualified to help this person" or "I dunno how to deal with this".
Someone with a ton of PTSD can give someone else PTSD from just sharing their experiences. It's wild, but happens. And many don't want that kind of negativity in their lives, so they will try to get away or not put themselves in those kinds of situations. Hence why people don't like surrounding themselves with people like Lucy, but preferably people like Rebecca. They don't want to just abandon them, but don't want to be burdened either.
This is also a big reason why many people with PTSD are afraid to open up: They don't want to burden anyone else. But finding a person who can take it AND help... Difficult. Yeah, that's why we have therapy.
It felt like Lucy spent half the season moping while hiding from everyone. And then she decided to go in without backup, even though she knew they wouldn't have asked questions if she asked them not to. In a relationship, she would have become controlling and paranoid due to her own insecurities and David would be doing all the work in it. It would be nothing short of stressful in something that's not supposed to be, and David would have pushed himself too far eventually with no other way to release that stress, because that's the kind of person he is.
Rebecca on the other hand you can trust to have your back when it counts. She's a fellow street rat that will walk through hell and flip off the devil for the team. In a relationship, she pulls her own weight and puts in as much (or more) effort as you do to make it work. She's the one trying to convince David to go light on the chrome multiple times because she saw what it was doing to him, again as opposed to Lucy who didn't notice anything despite sleeping right next to him.
So yeah, Rebecca > Lucy.
Short version.
Rebecca is chill
Lucy is broken
People love chill people over broken people. It's all that simple.
Rebecca isn't even chill though. She's a violent, short tempered, manic pixie girl archetype.
@@insertname3977 chill in terms of mental stability and how she communicates and handles relationships. Lucy is a walking trauma victim that would be a horrible base for a relationship
@thebandit9982 She wasn't mentally stable though. Mentally stable people don't shoot at their siblings or pull out a gun because some bouncer said you can't enter the club. She was an angry loli for the most part of the show, and yes while loyal to David, also was an enabler to his descent.
People just like these things because they don't have to deal with people like her in real life. All that loyalty, affection, carefree attitude doesn't mean shit when they pull a knife on you in the heat of the moment, or put you in a situation where you have to deal with a group of pissed off individuals looking to kick the shit out of you.
@@insertname3977
Good point.
A real life Rebecca would be fun, but there would always be that risk she would bit off more than she could chew.
I knew a girl when I was a teenager that was kind of similar in that she was short, wore pigtail, and had temper that would have been terrifying in a man. Actually, it was still pretty scary in this 4'11 gymnast.
So while there we definitely fun moments (the type Maine would have approved of...) there were also moments like her grabbing my head and basically swinging herself around on in some insane rage. That might not sound like much, but try swing a 100 pound weight around with your head to see how that that sucks.
@@thebandit9982 Bruh Rebecca was crazier than Lucy, I would 100% prefer a relationship with someone like Lucy that was more humane and realistic over some goofy ahh 5'1 pixie girl that is extremely manic and agressive
I think it can be simplified very easily,
David pursues Lucy, but Rebecca pursues David.
Lucy may be a romantic and hiding her emotions or whatever, but it is far easier to become attached when the other person wants your attention rather than pretending to avoid you
My personal preference for Rebecca is just typical for the kinds of characters I like. The "what you see is what you get" type where there's no intrigue, or second guessing what kind of person they are. I've seen plenty of characters who hide things about themselves, who put up walls and keep secrets, and in comparison to those who are upfront about who and what they are, the former just never appeals to me as much. I know there's interest, and understandably so, in the mystery with characters like Lucy, but speaking personally, I'll prefer open over guarded any day 😊
oh it's simple because Lucy manipulates and uses emotion to get what she wants. Gets upset when David doesn't live up to her expectations, becomes cold and distant.
Rebecca is just ride or die no matter what, open and honest. she doesn't judge she is just happy to have people that care about her.
I'm a Rebecca kind of guy but both are fine.
*You should pick the one that "completes" you* is my go to advice.
Dorio best girl but from these two I'd pick Becca as well.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Oh we're talking about high culture here...
@@archersterling6726 For sure, love me a strong woman in all senses of the word.
@@archersterling6726 and I'm a Lucy kind of guy, so I complete with people like Rebecca..
it means we're meant for each other.. Oh wait! You said you are also a GUY!! so does it mean we're Homosexuals??
@@animetypemoon2702 Nah, man, this is bromance
I find it mostly because lucy betrayed david/us in the beginning and was constantly keeping stuff secret, compared to Rebecca who was more open.
i was actually surprised people weren’t as in love with lucy as much as i was. then again i do resemble her personality 😵💫
I personally prefer Lucy as my wife has some elements of her character and I do as well so I know how navigate communication when she may have a hard time saying whats on her mind. Though she is usually very outspoken lol.❤❤
Thats on the poll Georgia made. Lucy is more popular on the actual MAL website and on actual anime polls. Netflix even made a video all about Lucy
I think David went for Lucy SPECIFICALLY because he was a teenager. She's classic hot girl for teen boy, especially of that world I'd gather. He has that young energy instinct to take care of her because the problems radiate off of her, and he imprints because he's young so once she shows any affection he's caught.
If he had been older, he would have gone for Rebecca. The family thing, serious commitment showing, and going to be a friend and not distinctly in the girlfriend role with how down to earth she is can be intimidating. That's all you want when you get older though.
Lucy is a huge red flag in comparison.
wow, that's incredibly reductionist. as if outwards displays of affection is the only variable to consider.
Many people go for Rebecca, clearly, but that doesn't mean Lucy is the wrong choice for everybody.
@@FunkyDouch3000 why are you offended?
The video takes Lucy's behavior as purely defensive, but you could easily see a lot of her behavior as manipulative. She isn't necessarily pure in her motivations.
@@FunkyDouch3000 It's almost as if outward displays of affection are a major defining factor for many of us men.
@@Cybertech134 what I take issue with is the idea that Rebecca is the only right choice for anyone, and especially that Rebecca is the "mature" choice.
Rebecca clearly appeals more to a lot of people, and that's fine. However, it's wrong to think Lucy is merely toxic or otherwise socially stunted with no redeeming qualities. Lucy is much more subdued, but she clearly cares deeply for David and shows affection, albeit less overtly.
The world these characters live in is rife with danger and unstable social dynamics. Kiwi's and Faraday's betrayals are not exactly nice, but they fit well within this world. Lucy is more aware of the fragility of their lives than most, and she tries to subtly remind David of that.
Something that stuck out to me is that David doesn't really have anything in common with Rebecca intellectually. what will they talk about, beyond superficially checking in on each other and work related topics?
David's chemistry with Lucy is readily apparent throughout. they're on the same wavelength intellectually in a way David just isn't with Rebecca.
Furthermore, it was clear from early on that Lucy was genuine in her affection and interest in David. They're fairly similar. David himself is fairly avoidant in his displays of affection as well, albeit much easier to read than Lucy. David is clearly shaped by a less than stellar childhood. He understands Lucy's nature well, and he gets along well with it, and vice versa. Despite their inferred traumatic backgrounds they have a healthy relationship dynamic, given the circumstances. they don't exactly have the safest of professions in the safest of environments. even so, their relationship works.
Slightly unrelated, but David's descent into his self destructive behaviour after the Maine incident was quite the piece of character assassination in my view. with all the people around David, especially Lucy, and his experiences, one would think he would have the opposite reaction to further augmentation than he actually did.
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This is just me, 99% that is who I am to the letter (attachment issues, fixing placebos, open/shut. BPD2 blablabla. The worst and best sides of it all combined.). I know it already but to hear someone break it down like this is pretty unsettling. Incredible video, FML...
Honestly, love your look your rocking 😊.
So I find both Lucy & Rebecca Awesome for different reasons 😊.
thanks Grimm = )) so much hehe they are both pretty interesting
@Georgia Dow yes thay are hope on day you may be able to find content from the owl house as now the show has end😢😢.
But any catch you round 😊
This is one of those shows that's completely different if you watch the Japanese performances. In the Japanese version Lucy MOURNS everything she's done to David. You can really hear it near the end, and even in the middle when they're successful in their own place yet Lucy has misgivings about the effects that success was having on him. And her performance really pays off that incredible outro that happens after every episode. If David had had the option of being in a healthier place, he could have heard what Rebecca was saying, but David wanted what he saw not what he heard. I also really like Lucy because of her ability to realize the effects of her actions.
Can't tolerate her and i saw the show in japanese
Georgia...I just realized I would have to do a double take if I saw you on the street sans cosplay. Typical office outfits would be YOUR disguise = )This one is visually spectacular. Your passion and attention to detail, Chef's Kiss! And I know whereof I speak, having clambered about costume racks and accessories bins and drawers for years. If I could upload those memories and send them to you as an attachment, I would! Because I know you would enjoy them. Probably even more than me! I'm definitely a HAVE YOUR BACK kind of guy. And while I extend myself more than most for almost everybody, there ARE those I extend myself for MORE than for others. The top of the list...First Place in Line ones.
thanks = ) and yes the closet is growing pretty quickly now
@@GeorgiaDow As well is should!
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@@mecsympalebeaugosse8444 = ) That's the goal...
I can kinda relate to how Lucy acts tbh. It's not that we don't want to let people in, but we've been burned so much in the past that it's difficult to bring down the walls we built. We don't open up because we're afraid of letting people close and being vulnerable. We just don't want to get hurt again. We still hope for the right person to come along and chip away and the shell we put ourselves in while staying cautious. It can honestly be exhausting because we want to be closer to people but our fears prevent us from letting it happen and we always feel like we push people away when that's the opposite of what we want.
This is just my personal take on it anyway
There might not be enough content in the show to do it but a video on how Kiwi felt underappreciated by the crew would be good
I think that part of it is that as outside observers it is easier for us to empathize with Rebecca over Lucy as a match for David. We can see that she is pursing him as opposed to Lucy who is trying to avoid him. If we saw our friend in a similar situation we would tell him to try the other girl because we would percieve that as healthier. As viewers we see David, an orphaned teenager going after this pretty girl who does not want to give him the time of day. Half of viewers are likely flinching at some bad highschool memories and shouting at him, "No man, go for the girl that is interested in you."
I think there's also a question of exposure. I've found that high energy characters are often picked more often because people can imagine interacting with them just as much as they want and no more. I would be miserable living in close proximity to someone like Rebecca because beyond the fun I could have I'm still living close to a nuclear reactor in human form for the rest of the time when I'm not up to dealing with that level of energy from others.
Good point. I notice in general people often don't fully think things through in their romantic fantasies. largely for that very reason you are only imagining the dose you want and then you can go to imagining something else.
That said I do not think you have to be interacting with her being hyper 24/7. People sleep and people can still spend time with friends. A relationship does not mean having your time monopolized by someone or even always being in close proximity to them in some cases.
The idea thay Becca took David to the side and was "real for a sec" and just told how concerned she was about him in a straight forward non-explosive manner kinda lets you know she isnt always a nuclear reactor of energy ... Well she might be but she isnt always on meltdown level of criticality, she can also have low outputs
Seems people who pick Lucy ignore that she started off her relationship with David by betraying him, and she’d do the same to anyone else. The only reason David is in her life is because she can use him. Becca just genuinely liked David.
I learned a lot more about people in relationships. My first relationship ended quick due to my caretaking persona, and not feeling the reciprocation Immediately. I understand now that there has to be an even playing field and I need to Understand my boundaries as well as theirs. Thank you for the deep dive into cyberpunk
I voted to hear what you had to say on the topic, but honestly I'd prefer Lucy if I met these characters in person. I'm an Isolating, introverted, avoidant type of person, So I think Lucy and I could just sit (probably on the floor, don't know why, but that hits different), and talk. I also don't mind if people hold back information until they're ready, if they don't want to share yet, that's up to them, but when they do it can be such a valuable and deep experience. People like Lucy take a long time to get to know, but from my experience, it's worth it.
I find people like Rebecca to be really fun in the moment, but really exhausting over time
I wish the game had more characters like Rebecca. Not personality wise, but different heights, crazy skin tones, etc. Ingame people look too "common" for a cyberpunk setting
There's a mod for that. It adds a lot more variety in NPCs
Rebecca got that "ride or die for the homie" vibe that's hard not to love
Becca: The friend we all need
Lucy: The person we wanna fix
while rebecca is one i'd lean towards because she is endearing, lucy is the type i'm more drawn to, my significant other having a personality very close to lucy. she is reserved but loosens up quite a bit when you've gotten to know her, and while her actions can be subtle at first, it becomes aware that her feelings are genuine after a time because it takes time to have her show that. so it feels strong somehow.
nice. Is your girl gonna use you to reach some goal while you die for her?
@@ethosterros9430 considering lucy was trying to abandon that goal and save david i don't think that is very fair to lucy's character. so no, that's not a thing i hold against lucy. i would hold it against kiwi though.
Lucy and I are very similar, I have been betrayed multiple times, even by family so I know what it's like. She was betrayed once, I also had people I cared for die infront of me (two grandparents, one grandmother) but when I had a friend die and I heard about his death, I broke down very hard. I cant even look at thanksgiving without thinking about my friend. So I can empathize with Lucy, and I feel like how introverted and guarded we are that we would be understanding on how we both operate. Rebecca is cool, but I would perfer her as a friend.
Lucy's introduction was her selling David out without a thought.
Rebecca's introduction was her welcoming David to the team and offering him a drink.
Lucy's final moments were her leaving David to die.
Rebecca's final moments were her dying for David.
Nuff said.
Leaving him to die is a stretch you acting like she wanted to leave she told Falco to turn back and he said no David told me to do this 😭
@@kingmakaii Yeah its a stretch. She still did it though where Rebecca definitely wouldn't have. I just wanted to point out the polarization between their behaviors. Where Rebecca charged in for her friends and her brother, ready for death if it came -- Lucy hesitated and was convinced to abandon David whether for better or worse. Rebecca is reciprocative. David would NOT have abandoned Lucy even if Falco told him to. Heck, he charged in after Maine despite Lucy telling him not to.
There are so many parallels that show many of the characters willing to die for one another. And then there's Lucy.... Who sat back both as she sold David out. Who sat back again as Maine and Dorio died. And who sat back a final time at the finale. It's a reoccurring theme with her.
Her introduction was going on a cool moon date together, being that vulnerable with someone you just met the same day takes much more courage than just sharing a drink. Also she didn't make that choice, David made it for her via Falco.
I like Becca more as well but let's not blatantly mischaracterize Lucy here, she just has bad trauma.
@@anitaremenarova6662 thank you like it’s clear she was def willing to die for David just as he was for her which he didn’t want
@@kingmakaii Yeah, best I can describe it is that she has an unhealthy way of loving people.
Wow, this was the perfect video. No HEY WHAT IS UP YOU GUYS WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER VIDEO AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO-- just straight into the point. So many content creators fail on this, like, you have a title, you have a thumbnail, you have a description, we don't need you to explain on the front end what the video is. You absolutely nailed it, right into the meat of your content. BIG respect from me, def worth a like and a sub.
I pick Lucy (didn't see the poll) but I can understand how people relate more to the more straight-forward Rebecca. I'm a sort of quiet, pensive person deep down (despite being a social comedian) so I like Lucy but also Rebecca never sold David out to Mane's crew lol. It's also clear Rebecca likes David right off the bat and Lucy has to come around to admitting to herself how she feels about David (and letting a person in to her life with the dangerous quest she's on) so I can see people liking that too.
Lucy revealed herself to be a trash person when she sold David out and called up criminals to literally murder him. She is no better than those other people that tried to kill David and take his implant just because they were in a position to do so.
Rebecca on the other hand... Always supportive and even died fighting alongside him.
I feel like if David had chosen Rebecca instead of Lucy, he might've survived in the end. Rebecca was more attentive and supportive while Lucy was entirely self centered and only consumed with her own baggage and problems. I think Rebecca could've prevented David from overdoing it with the implants and going psycho.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Doesn't matter... the fact that Lucy can set up another person like that is a huge red flag. If they had shown Rebecca do the same thing then it would be the same thing.
Lucy is the best mistake you'll ever make in your life.
Rebecca is the loyal ride or die girl that will spend the rest of her life with you.
Also probably get you killed by the shit she starts because she's a violent and quick tempered individual.
I would say its the opposite, becca is literally a manic pixie dream girl the entire time shes on screen, that type of girl is called a "beatiful worst mistake" for a reason, Lucy starts like one but later down the road overall shes way more humane and realistic. Like lots already said, Lucy is a "piece of work" or a "break the shell" person, Becca was loyal from the get-go but considering her personality I dont think she would be as "true" of a loyalty or love as people here think
Exactly this. It says a lot about society when they portray that relationship as romantic and loving.
You described it well. Lucy has that distant love I want to chase deeply and earn affection from, but Rebecca is the type of person who I genuinely need.
I like Rebecca because she's like me... If I had someone like her as a friend or a partner, we'd amplify one another and become obnoxiously nice, especially if we are partners, and we'd be annoying everyone with our overflowing love. Fine by me! 😄
On the other hand, I'd still try to be a friend to Lucy since she's in need of help.
Lucy was and still is my pick of the two. She is very relatable, and I always empathize significantly with this archetype. The mystery, the frustration of initial interactions, annoyance but alluring desire to inquire further, the realization that there is more to them, the slow melting of the outer layers, and then the reveal of who they always have been but were too afraid to show. It's easy to love someone who puts themselves out there. It's harder to love someone who is afraid to be loved. It feels much more meaningful and satisfying to see these relationships happen. I liked your analysis of this. Loved this video.
i was a Rebecca, open-minded, fun and loud with the people around me.
then I met my ex, who was manipulative, toxic and controlling of me. he made me lost all my friends, while he ended up cheating on me repeatedly. all the things that I told him about because I trusted him and confided in him, was ultimately used against me. (e.g. saying my late friend suicided because I bullied her)
I'm now more of a Lucy, cautious, traumatized and generally avoidant towards people.
Rebecca, I just love her personality. She wasn’t in the show much but she made all her showings count
Lucy needs to be lead into the light, Rebecca will drag YOU into the light with a smile.
I always think it was a tie between Lucy and Rebecca.
Both are those kinds of "I will die for you" type girls but maybe for different reasons and expressions.
Rebecca lost the love war, so I guess that's one reason why people side with Rebecca. Many people can relate to how unresponded love feels.
I'd say Becca is the better pick here, the entire show ended the way it did because of lack of communication from Lucy in that relationship.
Lucy is too cold for most people to enjoy. Her love is a love you dont even get to enjoy, because she's never open with it. Lucy also isn't someone who will stick by you unless you provide her with what David provided her.
@@viennasavage9110 And what did David provide her with exactly? He just treated her as an equal when everyone else in her life failed to do so. That's honestly just the bare minimum.
@@anitaremenarova6662 He basically achieved her dream for her, and literally worked for her just because she asked. David has not a single time ever said no to her or declined anything she's given him. He's supported her nonstop even if it killed him or got him in danger from the get-go. She knew she had him hooked, that's literally how she fooled him by selling him out to Maive.
@@viennasavage9110 Oh you mean Lucy, I was talking about Rebecca in my previous comment. Did you perhaps mean to say "Lucy" and instead mistyped "Rebecca" there?
They both loved David and were ride or die in their own ways. Both were great women and great choices. He was truly blessed.
I've always been weak to "the manic pixie dream girl" thrope, even being well aware of the thrope and how unrealistic and borderline toxic it is, it often gets me. With Lucy I acctually got more interested in her after she dropped the pixie facade, she is complex, broken, smart and interesting. Becca just reminds me of my little sister so in context of the anime I saw her more as a BFF or younger sibling that needs protecting ^^ .
Rebecca is an extrovert that appeals to other extroverts and to introverts who appreciate a more dominant personality type as well as having someone _pursue_ them outright.
Lucy is an introvert that appeals to other introverts and to extroverts who appreciate people who're more level-headed, mysterious, and who're more exclusive with their feelings.
For me its Rebecca over Lucy because of the openness. Lucy and me share the problem of lacking trust, but for different reasons. She was warned not to trust, but didn't actually face a big betrayal until the very end. Meanwhile I feel I've suffered a long series of little betrayals over the course of my life. Rebecca's openness, I could trust.. though I'm fairly certain I'd be the obsessive type when it would come to a person like that.
This is why I like Panam in cyberpunk 2077 she's a lot like Rebecca it's why I choose her as my romance option all the time
It's funny because I like Rebecca, but I think Panam is crazy. :D
No panam is like Lucy reserved tf 🤦🏽♂️
Panam is a lot more like Lucy. she didnt even trust V just like Lucy didnt trust David on the monorail. she didnt even tell V what was her beef with Saul and why she was driven out of the aldecaldo camp.
The ambulance scene is what made me fall in love with Lucy lol
Honestly my issue with Becca was that she's a quick tempered and violent individual who doesn't stop to think before she causes an issue to develop. I've known people like that all my life, yes they were loyal, friendly, and caring but all that doesn't matter when they pull a knife on you for saying something that gets them angry.
Honestly this is something i kinda perceived as well
Pretty much, people can say all they want about Lucy but I rather deal with her coldness, than be with someone explosive like Rebecca. All these dudes who chose Rebecca would not actually tolerate her for long.
I feel like people picking rebecca over lucy also has to do with the current relationships dynamic that I see.
especially in dating.
as a guy myself and having asked most of my (male) friends, one thing becomes very clear.
most of them are done with bullshit. bullshit being "uncertainty" or the typical "chase". (just to make it clear, I am talking from a man's perspective, since I am one and I have talked to my guy friends)
the guys who are single and ask girls out will asks once, the girl says no, they will never talk to that girl ever again or if it seems just too much effort to even manage to be on good "friendly" terms like it is almost the case between lucy and david at the start of the show.
Lucy imo would fall into that archetype, I mean, she literally kinda puts off David for the first few episodes before finally opening up. all of my friends would have immediately dropped pursuing her, because she seems cold and distant. at least they would have stopped looking at her as a potential mate for life.
Rebecca on the other hand makes it very clear that she is actually interest in him, but even so, she still is capable of just being the good loyal friend that you need.
and all of my friends would have picked her over Lucy.
So to some extend I could imagine that this "no bullshit" or "not wasting my time" attitude towards dating and relationships (from the men's side, at least) that developed over the last 10 to 20 years led to at least many men picking the more extroverted, fun, loving, loyal, direct and open person, than the seemingly shy, cold and distant one
Lucy was trying to save David as well.
I like em both!