Manchild Rages, Bullies When He Doesn't Get His Way
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@@fatfrostbolt dude, we where trying to make a e chain.
Love seeing new uploads.
That Mr. Krabs sound effect wasn't there before, was it? That's great.
fairly sure it wasnt but I'm happy with the addition
I noticed that too! Me gusta
Nice I thought I never noticed till noe
I noticed after reading the comment... will investigate.
Mr krabs is always there
"That's what you get for making a backup character" ? Literal psychopath. You train them to make backups because they get killed so often and then punish them for it? I know OP said he was their friend and they wanted to include him. But he was not their friend, he was a parasite preying on their kindness.
I think Den of the Drake refers to people like this as _Social Vampires_
I think parasite is appropriate
@@AmaryInkawult technically vampires are parasites too, they rely on other organisms for survival without giving anything back.
I have said this other spots here,
He was not their friend. They were his whipping boys. A group of people he could lord power over as the head of the club.
Its the difference between chatting about movies and being in someones randomly hard science role playing session when they are tone deaf on whats "fun" and whats "gritty realistic noir" in their campaign.
Nope. The very SECOND he yelled at another player he would have been kicked from my table. DMs please DO NOT tolerate this.
Right?! OP says that they all like him and he’s a friend, but if even half of this is true, the guy is a raging abusive assclown. Why would you not shut this down?
This 100% never let confrontative players get away with this kind of shit.
If you, as a GM, are afraid of confrontation, just ghost the person and move on, but never let them ruin the game for everyone.
I also would get a player like that removed from the table, it's quiet disgusting behaviour.
@@GeekPsychologist ghosting also isn't helping.
@@Evilriku13 I mean, as with everything in life, it depends.
I've seen times when it helps and times when it goes terribly wrong. But, for what I've seen, when the GM/DM doesn't have the emotional fortitude to deal with problematic people, it helps more often than not.
"Good people die in Night City,"
Mate, the whole POINT of Cyberpunk 2020/Red is that heroism comes in all forms. It's explicitly intended as a hopeful(ish) game. Pondsmith himself has stated something along the lines of "You can't save the world, but you CAN save the people you love."
Idunno I'm not entirely with OP on that one - notice how there are no details on her previous character deaths other than "because she was good". She's playing a drug addict and then disagreeing with her character dying by ODing...? Sounds sus to me. It really depends what king of "good" character they were, were they just following their heart or expecting the narrative to not have grim consequences.
@@luthor24127 Honestly... I just didn't add any more details bc I didn't know the other characters since I joined midway in the game, and part one was three pages long. I used the word " good," but according to Fox, the correct term was "selfless" I just didn't feel like changing it after posting it. But I mean you, do you.
@@luthor24127 I'm fox and I want to say that my first ever character death was in the prison after sacrificing herself for another player. Most of my character deaths at that point had been sacrificing myself for another player. I wasn't aware that he had a problem with me sacrificing my characters in a selfless way until my selflessness lead to Siri selling her memories because we literally had no other way to get the information.
The only reason I don't agree with the death of Siri was she is in flight mode after finding out her twin sister, my backup character, was already dead and it was all her fault and it was never talked about with me. It wasn't until a session later that all of us were told what happened to her even though me and the rest of the group had joked about her living in LA and changing her name to Alexa since that was meant to be her original name, I just accidentally named her Siri instead.
Co-signed cause that’s some real shit you just said. Highly agree.
Yeah, dude, I'm sorry, but killing someone's character off screen is just a shit thing to do. Especially with everything the other player did to try to get her out alive. It smacks of pettiness.
Heroism in the face of systemic corruption is a major theme in a lot of games and stories.
It's a damn shame all these people went through dealing with this dude for so long instead of kicking them after at least the second ofence.
To answer that since I didn't mention it in the posts but did in comments, he ran TTRPG Club that we were all in since it wasn't super easy to kick him. Also, I did talk to him over and over again every time he said he would fix it while in-game and he would for two sessions before changing back again.
@@justmariane in all fairness, i do feel like their title as "club leader" would have no real weight behind it if you all just decided to dip out. can always get the gang together yourself to have some fun instead, so in that regard there might be more freedom than you initially realised.
@@phoenix402 Which is what we ended up doing in the end. Also! I was new to the group too, so I didn't where my place was or if my words would have any weight to them.
Personally, I would have kicked him from the game as soon as he started yelling at the other players and telling them how to play, as well as comparing it to AL. I do not tolerate that kind of behavior as a DM, or a player.
@@justmariane that actually explains a lot, like why all of you out up with it for so long. If you felt like you had no choice if you wanted to play a TTRPG. If all of you were in a club created by this petty tryrant.
It also explains why he felt he was entitled to treat you all as he did. He felt like he had a position of power and authority over everybody and he abused it. This context puts him into an even worse light imho.
I feel bad for OP but also at this point they're just enabling his behavior. I understand that they are friends and that he might act like more of a normal person outside dnd, but this is beyond being a doormat. This is toxic, I would never hurt my friends so much they would repeatedly cry and then never change my behavior. That's not a good friend and OP needs to get some backbone, because alloeing this for so long is pretty toxic too. He should have been kicked out a long ass time ago.
Literally same. I have so little sympathy, this makes no sense to me.
I agree. The moment someone in a simple discussion starts breaking down and crying while the other is still going on and on, then that should be a full stop. To either cut them off or firmly establish it is not acceptable behavior
1000%, plus op mentioned talking about behavior that was nowhere near all the shit he did beforehand, and that dm was able to kick him, so like wtf. He's sitting there verbally and emotionally abusing you and your friends, and you continue to invite him back
Yeah. How many chances is he going to get?
Legitimately cannot understand the mindset of adults who act like Manchild, or people who allow/enable that behavior.
Society has allowed it to run rampent so people assume its the norm. Reason why society is getting worse every day.
It gets worse when its something you enjoyed and seeing the thing completely warped to the whims of a manchild/womanchild
You’d think nobody would want to be a part of such toxic behavior, but it’s so easy to fall for their traps. Don’t victim blame. It’s not their fault for being too nice. It’s the jerks fault for taking advantage of them
especially the people enabling them, a guy like that would get thrown out of my RP group with the second offense
@@garrettlauderbaugh312 people enabling this behavior are absolutely a part of the problem
@@garrettlauderbaugh312 yeah, this isn't victim blaming. It's a game you consent to playing and if you don't consent, the game doesn't happen. There's not really a place in this where the group did not have the power to either individually or as a group decide that this guy was not going to run a game they were interested in and that they should leave. It's a group vs 1 guy and the 1 guy victimized all of them by running a game shittily for however long? nah. nah, I can't really abide that mindset. 80% of these stories belong on r/thathappened anyway.
I like to think this yellow shirt lady in the thumbnails is going to become a recurring character in the Crabverse.
Right along side angry man-child man and miscellaneous anime characters.
Kinda looks like an older Emma watson
I hope she is, I like yellow shirt lady!
While this can sound like a broken record, it’s always a good idea to ask:
“Is this your first time playing at a hardcore table? Are you okay with making this choice under real world weaponry mechanics? Are you absolutely certain that you want to make noise with this action?”
Manchild having the entire table at re-roll when new player joins may seem normal, but in this case, it was clearly a warning sign at poor DM preparation.
My thought exactly
Dead on target.
Perhaps it's a small thing, but the audio cues when you transition between reading and wise-crab modes are very much appreciated
23:40 discord also has a priority speaker mode that basically mutes everyone else if the speaker is speaking. Make everyone priority except Manchild so you can't hear him unless everyone gives him a turn to speak
To answer bc I didn't mention it since it was way too long: it was his server so I had no control of people's volume / I didn't know how to use Discord at that time before I would use Skype or Roll20 voice calls.
@@justmariane Oh you're the author of this story?? Damn, I am so sorry for the crap you had to deal with due to this buffoon. I'm actually currently at this part in the story, so I shudder to think how much worse its gonna get
I’m gonna be honest, at a certain point it is the group’s fault for continually inviting him to games. How do you start THREE separate campaigns with someone that you hate? If it’s so bad and the entire group hates having him, either end one campaign and don’t invite him to the new one, or just lie and say you stopped playing ttrpg in general
I'll agree with you on this. We should have stopped after this (Two of the games were running at the same time btw) but to say we hate him is a strong word. We don't hate him but we shouldn't have ever let him play two more games.
"But he's our fwend." Buddy, I might not be an expert on friendship but from what I've seen, friends don't treat friends like this.
@@ZeoHidra THIS! So much! The moment someone treats you badly they should automatically lose all privilege of being called a friend at it should stick permanently unless they apologise, make it up to all those they mistreated AND pass a monthly trial period with flying colours (no mistakes policy).
People these days are all too willing to give away friend labels left right and centre.
1. A friend is someone who you can trust unconditionally.
2. A friend is someone who will always be on your side, no matter if you're popular or shunned amongst everyone else.
3. A friend is someone who will never hurt you intentionally (and if they do unintentionally they'll feel the worst about it and will do anything to fix it ASAP).
If you can't be 100% certain about those 3 sentences considering a person, that person is NOT a friend.
@@Mordring I would add one more.
4. Friends do not enable bad behavior. A friend is someone who will tell you the hard truth about something wrong you have done or are doing while still being there to help out.
@@Mordring I totally agree with you in the third rule, but to be fair (at least in my experience) there is NO ONE in the world you can trust unconditionally and the second one is fine except for a little caveat: IF you're in the wrong in any given situation, the real friend isn't the one who will take your side but the first one who will call you out and help you to correct the situation, but yes, he will be there for you if you are in the right!
Manchild: Is a fantastic storyteller
Also Manchild: Hates backstories
…as a storyteller myself…this makes me stare into empty space trying to figure out how that works. I think there’s been a mistake here.
Okay so I’m not the only one that had pause there. Good to know. If I had to guess, I don’t think manchild is actually good at telling stories per say, I think manchild is good at constructing narratives (like gaslighting/manipulation through shouting)
You don't need backstory to tell a story.
@@rebeccahicks2392 you need at least a base to be built on
I would guess it's a control freak problem. This guy wants to tell *his* story, and the other people at the table keep getting in the way, so he bullies them. Dude should just write down his own stories, not try to force other people to do exactly what he wants, how he wants, when he wants it.
@@lafken2Yeah, I think so to. Being good at telling stories doesn't mean you want to take in consideration the stories created by the others. But then, why bother DMing instead of writing? To have a kinda captive audience?
I felt bad for op at first but after hearing there are more parts I just can't. They allowed it to continue even after he made them cry. They had absolutely no reason to be friends let alone play together after the first time.
Op and others allowed him to bully and make players cry.
People put up with misbehavior from friends a lot longer than they will from an acquaintance, but I am with you. The moment Manchild made another player cry, he'd have been out. It doesn't sound to me like OP made Manchild face consequences to his actions (being caught, arrested, imprisoned or killed). You want action? How about when you go off on your own and do something illegal you get chased by guards who murderize you?
@@songsayswhat @Miguel Wardiola I did punished him in-game and tried to kill his character, which led nowhere. But he made everyone feel like we were in the wrong, and not everyone handled being yelled at the same way. Just bc you would be able to stop him doesn't mean I was able to.
I know now not to let people to do this but in the moment I had no idea what to do.
@@justmariane Yeah, sounds like extreme gaslighting to me, which can be difficult to see in the situation. It makes you question whether you truly are in the right or not.
@@justmariane Are you still friends? If so, is he a good friend in real life or have any redeeming qualities? I can’t imagine putting up with someone like that and staying friends with them.
How many times do you tolerate someone making people CRY at your table before you kick them out for good?
My answer might be different than most people, but it's ZERO. As soon as that happens, one person is out of the game and not coming back.
Not Even cry,i can't understand how they allow someone like him for so long. He literally was making the Game boring for everyone ,like he had a problem with people having fun
Repeat after me: "Fuck off, you're out of the game."
"Fuck off, you're out of the game." XD
Honestly, most of these horror stories could have been solved with that line right there.
"it was the nature of CyberPunk right?"
Deadly mistakes are fine, but CyberPunk is a unforgiving game and no player should start playing without proper basic knowledge or in this case Basic Common Sense.
yeah you can die extremely fast in cp2020 so it makes it all the more important to either have a relatively forgiving DM or a ton of game knowledge
Yup, but that is when the dm helps newbie players along for a session or two until they get the hang of it. Punishing a brand new player who has never played before for not knowing the game is just a dick move on the dms part.
@@antonioliles5027
I'm not defending that DM just criticizing OP.
@@EliosMoonElios I didn't think you were. I was actually agreeing with you and just expanding on how I believe newbies should be sheparded along.
Sorry if I made it sound like I was.
I love the little Mr. Krabs walking sound effect you added in because I like just having your videos play in the background while I do other stuff so I sometimes find it difficult to know when the voiceover is just reading the story or giving commentary. The sound effect gives a nice separation between the two that I appreciate.
Yes it’s a very nice, cute touch.
Same, I listen while playing games, and that little touch REALLY makes a difference
Jesus, I'd like to know why people keep inviting this guy to their games. He sounds utterly miserable. If you don't want to deal with confrontation, just tell him you're cancelling the campaign and keep playing with the people who aren't total tantrum-throwing babies. Problem solved.
With "friends" like this, who needs enemies?
To answer that since I didn't mention it in the posts but in comments, he ran TTRPG Club that we were all in since it wasn't super easy to kick him. Also, I did talk to him over and over again every time he said he would fix it while in-game and he would for two sessions before changing back again.
@@justmariane Man, sorry to hear that. I usually want to try and give people the benefit of the doubt once you communicate an issue and they act like they understand at first, so I can see trying to give them a chance once they seem to be doing better only for them to revert to their old ways. Sounds like this guy has no business to be running anything. Makes me both dread and look forward to seeing how this horror story ends.
"...this guy smells like a Magic: The Gathering tournament."
God, even having only been to one FNM ever, I know exactly the smell you're describing.
Eeeew....
It confuses me. Maybe Americans don't shower like normal people bur o jave been to many MTG tourneys and never had an issue with stench. (There are a noticable lack of belts but stench, no)
I've never been to one but I've watched Manykudos video on its controversies and yeah, it's not a good look if the staffers have to put up posters to remind competitors to practice basic hygiene and use deodorant.
@@tarotsushima3332 well at least it is not pokemon. As bad as a rep as MTG gets, we don't shit in the hallway of a hotel we are staying at.
@@Gashnaw It was one time.
@@Faelocke IT STILL HAPPENED!
Hold up-
Manchild is a film student, but doesn't understand why you would act when playing a character?
I doubt he was an A- Level student... Conversely he might not have ever learned proper social skills. He plays like a 2 year old, he puts everyone in his mental space, and doesn't make any attempt to enter the other people's mental spaces.
His specialty could be like, nature/documentaries/something that probably doesnt involve actors, or thinks actors arent friends prior to films
I actually think this DM isn't cut out for DMing. He wasn't able to make the hard decision to kick the problem out, instead allowing another player AND THEMSELVES to get more and more stressed until they cried several times.
All in all, we know who the real antagonist is, but DM absolutely could have salvaged the game and it's sad that he couldn't take control.
Holy crap dude. Manchild would have been gone from my table the first session he bullied another play until they cried. No remorse, no more warnings, just get out and don't come back.
People like that are not your friend. You are their whipping boy.
I don't understand why, when op was dming and that ''the game has to be cancelled because of 1 player'' they didnt kick out that problem player instead of ruining the fun of everyone else.
We had a problem player in a game recently, he was cheating on his sheet and constantly arguing with the dm and player and didnt care for the story of said dm at all (building a castle instead of doing the murder mystery we were supposed to be doing) so after a little bit, the rest of the party decided to talk to the dm about it and asked to deal with problem player (he joinded mid-campaign to build castle instead of playing the campaign)
That has been discussed in so many Crab videos. People these days just let themselves be mistreated not tu hurt the abusers' feelings. Well I say, damn their feelings, no room for assholes at my table.
I got alarmed at the ‘no armor’ part. It got even worse in less than 2 sentences.
At the ‘backup character’ part. Even if I wasn’t Fox, that would have had me getting up and walking away.
At the DnD part, his interactions would have me removing him from the table because he’s bossing around the other players.
Tbh, a good DM could have worked with the Blue Glass player and the bus crash could have been a faked death cover up to go into hiding (but we all know Manchild isnt a good DM) There's a lot of DM fuckups but they could easily be spun into good story points if they dropped the vengeful "player vs DM" playstyle
Good lord, Manchild is a prime example of an entitled PoS even aside from being a spotlight hog. Just listening to this makes me want to belt him across the face. It really feels like that is the only way to get people like him to wake up.
Pretty much.
Something tells me that OP is eventually going to snap at this dude. Honestly having a taser or mace spray to use on him would’ve sorted him out.
SMH dealing with an unreasonable person is not justifiable grounds for aggrevated assault. The best solution is to walk away and kick this person out of the games.
A taser seems a bit much, a slap across the face should be more than sufficient
@@TheTidobanditto Not everyone is actually being serious when they say things like that, mate.
@@reptoidrenaissance thanks for adding your insight to another's comment. My hope is that they were joking. Their verbiage says otherwise. Words and definitions are important. Different people come here to get advice for their games. Bad advise, like the above comment, might be misconstrued by someone else.
@@TheTidobanditto If you take everything anyone says on the internet as something they completely mean, and that most people do the same as you do, you're not gonna have an enjoyable time. Almost everytime someone says something violent, it's hyperbolic or jokingly.
The few times I've played dnd, I can admit that while RP'ing can get out of hand, it makes a bunch of great moments in some sessions.
One of them for me, while short lived, would be introducing my character while waking up the guild master (he was an old drunkard and constantly fell asleep). So I used create/destroy water, however I did not say how much I was producing and accidently dumped 10 gallons worth on water in the guild dining room. It woke him up for sure, but I had to do it again to remove the water in the floor boards before his daughter beat me with a broom or charged me for long term water damage.
The broom beating made laugh, but I agree RP’ing can be great and I love to do it a lot when I play
If you, a DM, respond to a character death or TPK with any form of joy or glee, you are 100% the problem. And a terrible DM
Ironically, a silencer doesn’t actually silence the weapon, it just makes it more bearable to listen to. This DM is assuming that everyone knows about firearms while he himself doesn’t know about firearms!
Yeah, people are so used to silencers in movies making a cute little "pew pew!" sound that they forget that guns are handheld explosions. There's a reason people have difficulty distinguishing between gunshots and fireworks from a distance, and it's not cuz they're both pretty.
"Being a DM is all about sacrificing your fun for your players' fun."
This "manchild" doesn't feel like he understood what DM-ing was all about.
Well, he didn't think TTRPGs are meant to be cooperative games, and he doesn't understand the point of roleplaying in a ROLEPLAYING game.
@@reptoidrenaissance Yeah, he would be better playing an over-moeded Skyrim alone lmao xD
I'm seeing a lot of people call the others in the group "doormats" for "letting Manchild walk all over them". The thing is, none of them did. they tried over and over again and he constantly made them feel like it wasn't safe or worth their time to even try. I feel like a lot of people don't understand that toxic friends can and do abuse people as much as toxic partners do. I've had a long time friend who was emotionally abusive and I couldn't confront her on anything without either her playing the victim, having a meltdown, or making me feel like I was the Bad Guy for not liking how she treated me. All of the yelling and nastiness was in fact verbal abuse, and none of them are in the wrong bc none of them TRIED to 'let it happen'. I really don't understand how people can read 'we confronted him and he screamed at us until we were so stressed and upset we cried' and think the people being made to feel like such complete shit and like the situation was so hopeless to change are the ones who were truly wrong.
Salvation lies within. As someone who has been mistreated by people calling themselves my friends (and a couple love interests) I have all the sympathies for those who suffer from abuse. But I also know that the defining moment is the one when you stand up for yourself for the first time and say "never again". And that decision is ultimately always internal.
That's why people can't stand it when someone let's themself be abused for weeks, months, years. From the outside it is easy "just F***in say NO once!". For them it's easy, they say "no" all the time. But we know how hard it can be...
That being said, standing up for yourself is the ONLY path to happiness and healthy relationships in future. As long as one refuses to fight, nothing ever changes. As such, I think some of that internet tough love is necessary for more victims of abuse to realise that what's happening to them is not OK, is not widely accepted by the society, and fighting for themselves does not make them bad people.
Trust your guts guys and gals, if your guts tell you something's not right with that person, it probably isn't and in such case you're justified to not be nice to them anymore. By being an abuser they waived their rigtht of polite social treatment.
I mean, after so long, you HAVE to recognize that “talking it out” isn’t going to work and have to kick him. If you’ve talked to him and it’s brought you AND other people to tears, and you keep him around while meekly asking him to stop, I can’t feel much sympathy because you really aren’t doing anything to stop it. It’s like a mother just telling their kid over and over to not beat people up, while the kid continues to punch another person: if the mom never decides to physically step in to reprimand him, she’s somewhat at fault for what this kid is doing. So yeah, they can talk as much as they’d like to him, but the fact is that he didn’t want to change, and they kept him around despite that. Ops unfortunately got the backbone of a wet noodle here.
I understand that but at a certain point you need to just cut them off. Cold shoulder.
@@morgannolan3183 well, that's the thing. Gaslighting (and other toxic behaviours) doesn't let people even recognize they're right. It's less about courage and more about having your perception clouded by the abuser's actions.
It's super f'ed up and hard to get out from
@@IottiPH if everyone is uncomfortable and upset, and there are outside people who are like “yeah this is weird” then why don’t they leave? While what man child did to op and their friends is awful and I do not support it, op and friends have the ability to leave and/ or ban him. If they’re uncomfortable it’s partially on THEM to get out. Sitting by and letting things happen (or meekly asking the person to stop) won’t do anything if the person in question is like man child.
One of the features I love about using Discord for online gaming (even if using Roll20 or some other app for the maps and whatnot), is the ability to change the voice volume on each individual person for yourself. Highly recommend.
I find that everyone involved in this story has the mental and emotional capacity of a 12 year old and they all need therapy to find ways to use compassion, set boundaries and embrace courage, and effectively deal with conflict resolution.
Well, in 2020s if they have the mental capacity of 12yo that just means they're probably in college or just out of it. Hate being "the old guy" as I'm only 34 but back in my days even 12yo used to be much more assertive.
@@Mordring Yeah, because kids had to go outside and deal with people face-to-face. Now they're kept inside and protected by the outside world, socialized by TV and the internet.
I honestly don’t understand how people in these stories tolerate this type of behavior. If it were me the story would be one paragraph because I would cut contact immediately with problem player because what’s the point of continuing???? Masochism???
"There's more."
Oh God, I was tired just hearing about this man. How could they stand him for that long?!
"Their fooling around lasts for maybe 15 to 20 minutes in actual time"
Meanwhile our entire group: Laughing our asses off and taking in-character bathroom breaks for about an hour, all because a NPC, that is armed to the teeth with weapons(probably the teeth are armed too) and is essentially a sentient battle armor, introduced itself as "the janitor of this place", resulting in us calling him Janitor (in a loving way), compliment him on its handywork and just fucking around in general with the character which quickly "de"railed into us rescuing him from the place because of his surprsingly tragedic backstory (essentially the armor was controlled by a scientist that he didn't like because the scientist was an absolute asshat and forced Janitor to be his friend, which wanted Janitor to have an actual friend.)
We got out of this place probably a session later than our DM planned, but it was one of the most memorable times we had for sure.
Manchild is a garbage person that nobody deserves and anyone would struggle to deal with, but wow, OP does seem like a bit of a helpless opossum.
Hey I love the sound effects btw
That's gaslighting pretty clear right there and it's difficult to handle.
You really don't need to put up with people like this. If they make you feel like shit, get out.
If Manchild hated Fox so much, why did he even keep them in the game? If you don’t like someone, just don’t play with them!
Because he was having fun torturing her and everyone in this group is too afraid to walk out of this toxicity.
How would he get to keep bullying her if he kicked her?
OP sounds like a literal doormat with how much shit they allowed manchild to throw at them, their friends and everybody else throughout these campaigns. I understand it can be harder to do something as a player when the DM is shitty but how could you as a DM ever let a player bully someone into crying and then invite them back for another session.
I mean... by halfway through the story it's clearly more of OPs fault for being absolutely spineless than manchild's fault. I'd say, it takes a lot to call someone else a manchild when you couldn't stand up to the person who was mentally abusing your entire friend group.
God as someone who deals with controlling people in my life and has became a lot stronger fir being more forward about my emotions and when people upset me, it is actually genuinely DRAINING listening to the story. I listen to lots of cringe before but its so obvious that when someone makes you cry this much you should leave (coming from someone who recently just left a year long relationship dealing with this) but ofc not blaming op, its hard to do especially to a friend. But when it physically and mentally hurts and pains you to play A GAME with them and they take it out on you IRL that is your sign to wake up look at them and tell them to leave. No need for an epic troll that alot of these r/'s do, this is real. Get up and leave them. Don't be friends with them. Same to any of you reading this in the same situation with a friend, family member, or loved one. Its hard, its not always that easy, but put your foot down and tell them they are a shitty person and distance yourself from that person as much as possible, cut back on the amount of interaction you have with that person. God this story actually feels me with rage listening to man baby
I do sympathize, truly I do. However, this all could have been avoided if the GM or the players grew a backbone. I've dealt with terrible players, some have made me cry and I've allowed people to walk on me like a doormat. Allowing them to continue their shit fits and simply trying to be diplomatic with bullheaded people rarely if ever works.
You have to be able to put your foot down, even if they're your friend. Hell, *especially* if they're your friend. And if they still refuse to listen, boot their ass and don't speak for a while, telling them what they did wrong and let them simmer about it. If they change their attitude, maybe give them another chance. If not, and I mean this as tactfully as possible, *fuck 'em*. Never speak to them again. If they won't reciprocate the work needed to form a healthy relationship, tell them to fuck off and never talk to them again.
It just bothers me people allow themselves and their friends to be hurt for so long. I can get it, sure, but to let it go on for so long with so many chances to change, it's almost infuriating seeing it happen because all parties are responsible, not just the chronic dickhead. Apologies for the rant.
OP really should have grown a spine. Breaking down in tears repeatedly but not kicking manchild is when I felt my sympathies slip away. And they KEPT BRINGING HIM BACK!
The behaviour from all parties sounds like what you would expect from children or maybe teenagers not functioning adult's at University.
If you're an adult and can't work out the extremely basic concept of NOT everyone is your friend and MOST narcissistic behaviour should be a immediate red flag for removal from a friendly group environment. How are you going to get through your coursework or real life?
@@DanielVisOneCade 100% agree
@@DanielVisOneCade 💯👍
I don't usually watch the visuals of stories, because I like to watch while doing other stuff. So the audible effects were a great add on!
Mr crabs sound effect and the discord examples where amazing!
Hot take: high mortality games are stupid. Character creation is a time-consuming and often very personal process. Treating PCs as disposable just wastes everyone's time, kills the mood, and neuters personal investment. How are people supposed to feel attached to a story when you could pull the rug out from under them at any moment? Why even bother thinking up a backstory that will never have a payoff? Might as well just use nameless pre-gen nobodies.
I think there’s a major difference in a lethal game and a high mortality game. A lethal game shifts focus towards planning, caution and preparation.
A high mortality game is ‘let’s see how much random bullshit we can do and can have happen to us.’
Or, to use examples.
Dnd 5e is a very forgiving game that rewards going out and doing stuff. High rewards for high investment.
Call of Cthulu is a game that rewards being cautious and planning ahead. Also high rewards for high investment.
Dungeon Crawl Classics is a high mortality game. It rewards creativity and leaning into extreme nonsense. Low investment on purpose.
The character sheets prove this difference in a way. It takes me about 15-30 minutes to roll up a character for DnD or CoC. I died in a boss fight in DCC and had a new character before my next round and had them enter the fight because my wizard was crammed into the chest the boss threw at another player.
@@reginarainer9740 well said
To me, when he was yelling at other players to the point of making them cry, that was already too far.
God this DM reminds me of the one DND group I had outside my usual team, and the DM I think didn't like me or just was on a power trip, because, no joke, in the very first session, he let my character I had been planning for weeks, die in one of the first rolls of the game. I didn't have a backup character, because I was still sort of new and wasn't aware of those, and have never needed one before. But yeah I think he was trying to kill me, because 3 of the 5, players had kinda made some meat head big strong characters, and mine was one of them, (even though I'm a girl irl) maybe it was all of the stepping on eachothers toes in game or all the testosterone, but yeah, it was a stab with an enchanted skeletons blade that incinerated him instantaneously, and, (I think we an act of mercy) the 4th character, an elf sorcerer, gathered his bones and dust for safe keeping, (this was my public speaking professor at the time as well as the only other female on the team,) so I had to slap dash together another character in a week, and made a tiefling dwarf cleric that was part of my prior paladins temple, and from then on I just felt like the teams punching bag. I kept making excuses for it though, because to be fair, I kept getting bad rolls, but this DM was just disproportionately brutal!! In the end my character got slashed by (I forget the name of the creature), and from the legs up my characters body started turning to stone, and this went on for sessions as I was stuck in a basket strapped to one of my teams back, getting carried around and I was basically just around to heal people. My stone legs crumbled off, and I shit you not, once we finally got the potion to cure my stone illness, we have a run in with ANOTHER stone illness creature!!! And I am back to square one!! Maybe it's hindsight bias but it felt like the DM was getting a kick out of hurting my character and it sucked. I think the other party members started noticing it too because they would go out of their way to try and help me out and accomodate to try to keep me included, or plea on my behalf to have some kind of mercy on my character. I didn't want special treatment, but I just wanted to be able to function and play the game as best as I could! And when the DM would resist and try to defend his harsher consequences with my character the group would get quiet and awkward. At the very end, where I was determined to stay included in the adventure, there was this giant crevasse we needed to see what was at the bottom of it, so I suggested they lower my legless dwarven self in my basket backpack, down with a rope, and since I was a tiefling and a dwarf I had dark vision. No shit, the rope broke and I fell stories down onto a ledge and obliterated what was left of one of my already stumpy stone leg nubs. Turns out, there's spiders down there!!! The group lowers a second role and I hear a shelob crawling up to get me, So I decide I'm gonna balance myself on my remaining leg nub, and jump it to the rope that was hanging out of reach. For once. For damn once, i leap, and I got a nat 20!!! And we're all cheering and I grab the rope, and I look at my DM and he looks mad at me!! Or at least annoyed. I swear I'm not trying to be petty or make assumptions but I really do think he wanted my character to just die! I don't think he liked me. That, or I think he just liked to be overly harsh on all the players to boost his own ego. After our group class was done, we all went out separate ways. There wasn't exactly a complete resolution to the story, but in hindsight I really think he had it out for me, and I think all of us in the party had a bit of distain for his sadistic low role punishments and strict rules. My current party is much more fun to play with!!
As much as I want to sympathize with OP, I can't. She had numerous times to kick him out, esp. when they transitioned to online, but kept him around because he was a "friend". If he's a "friend", then I don't want to see a proper enemy.
Is Manchild bad? Beyond bad, he's shown time and time again that he's far from stable emotionally. If his first reaction is to go "NOT FUN!" when things aren't in his favor, then he's an S+ Tier sociopathic narcissist. His whole "Worship me and the ground I walk" vibe would make someone like me unleash my own temper (I've a short fuse) the moment he begins to begin degrading OP and Fox.
I undertand what youre saying, but I think people are being way to harsh with OP for something that happend 2 years ago and that they had clarify multiple times could see now where they failed and what they would have done differently.
Geek fallacies. They were a real thing and only recently did the pushback against it begun.
What I find particularly facepalm-worthy is that Manchild was a film student... but didn't understand the point of backstories, cohesive storytelling, narrative tension, or *acting?*
Is he trying to be the next Uwe Boll, or is he just the worst film student in history?
I studied in animation in a school specialised for movie production where we learned about writhing scripts, visual story telling, character design and would create our own short movies. I hate rping and rarely care much for story in tabletop or even video games.
I studied to work on film production but I am not an actor and I don't enjoy being part of that. When I want to play a game that's what I want: a game. If I want a story I'll watch a movie or read a book. I know and studied how to create a rich scene for story telling purpose but when playing a game the story is, most of the time, just ''the borring part''
studying in film doesn't mean you want everything to be story rich. your job/study doesn't have to relate to everything you do in your life
It’s so frustrating when groups keep a problem player way past when they should have kicked them. The manchild should have been gone much earlier in this story.
This person got what she put into fixing the problem considering how she let him walk all over her and didn't stand up for herself, at all. At some point your insufficiencies are your fault and you need to take ownership of them. Manchild was horrible, no doubt, but the OP let it happen.
Critcrab inserting himself in every now and then more often, with that adorable Mr. Krabs walking sound. I am frankly all for it lol
OP: "I don't know what to do! This guy is ruining my game and making everyone unhappy!"
Me: "Kick him"
OP: "If only there was something I could do..."
Me: "Kick him"
OP: "No, he doesn't listen, he keeps yelling until everyone starts crying"
Me: "KICK. HIM."
If you are dealing with anyone that is just making you cry when you're in an environment that is supposed to make you happy and have fun, have the respect for yourself by either kicking that person out or leaving yourself.
if you bully one of my players, youre banned from my table..
i wont let it get to the point of making someone cry..
Thus the appeal of me being a boisterous, 300+ lb man. I am that person, at the table, that would see the stress being put on my group by this manchild, and inform him to shut his mouth or I would shut it for him. It is the last chapter in Dr. Spock's Baby and Childcare books! When you have tried everything else and nothing is working, simply close the book and use it to paddle your child.
> film student
> hates backstories
> character assassination
> purposely denies climactic engagements
> offscreen killings of beloved characters (like Ackbar being killed in the Leia Poppins explosion scene)
> metagames (like justifying Force Skype Calls using a decanonized sourcebook: The Jedi Path, which references EU canon and not Disney canon)
> makes fun of someone else's work
> all to flex on someone experiencing the story
This was Rian Johnson wasn't it?!
HAHAHA Wouldn't be surprised
I know little to nothing about D&D but i love to hear all these stories, Thanks CritCrab
Join the discord and I'm sure there will be a lot of Crablings happy to teach you everything about D&D :)
Smelling like a Magic the Gathering tournament is now my favorite insult.
He doesn't sound so bad...for the first 5 minutes. A little tough and he should have explained the rules and setting of cyberpunk a bit better but not bad. Too bad he couldn't hold on to that image for a while. He lost all sympathy fast, op isn't entirely innocent either though. She had plenty of chances to kick this guy from the group but couldn't bring herself to do it.
For anyone that hasn’t played the CP2020 TTRPG, it is very brutal. It’s the kind of game you can die from one bullet if you’re not careful. Also, “classes” in CP2020 are not classes in the same way they are in D&D, where as you level up you gain new abilities. In fact, CP2020 doesn’t have character levels, just skill levels. Classes don’t provide any new abilities except one specific class skill. You level up class skills by essentially spending Improvement points into any skill you want (with exceptions being the class specific skills).
Are you feeling it yet Mr. CritCrab?😂
Oh, I'm feeling it, Sabrina 🦀💢
One of the appealing things about D&D is how it appeals to socially awkward people, and it can bring them together in a fun and creative way.
Where it really goes wrong is when "overbearing control freak" social awkwardness and "people-pleasing doormat" social awkwardness come together at the same table.
I can't help but feel sorry for OP when it comes to dealing with Manchild online. I don't know how sites like roll20 do their thing but I assume it's at least similar to discord (if they weren't using discord). Yes it's easy for us to turn around and say "just mute them or kick 'em" but for a lot of people eve that can take courage. I call myself a coward, and I'm not afraid to admit that ironically, but I know for a fact I would be more than able to drum up the courage to mute/kick or ban someone from vc if needed. But that is me! I am me, not someone else.
So yeah, while I do agree that OP should have muted/kicked/banned Manchild. I don't blame them for being unable to for either being too stressed (they were in tears ffs) or just lacking courage. Perhaps if they had a mod it would have helped matters? Hindsight is 20/20 and at least they all tried talking to Manchild first.
Also the whole "Just mute or kick him" assumes its his server or he is a mod.
@@Draqer that too! Although you can turn down individual volume.
@@Draqer PRO TIP: If you're DM'ing via Discord, make sure it's your own server. :V
But yeah, I can understand not being able to deal with this. Social interaction is difficult enough already. Personally, I'd at least mute this guy when he's talking over someone else and disrupting the game... but then again I've never had to deal with such a problem player, myself.
Man, I would not have sufferred this long before booting the single cause of problems.
Oh hey, is that crab walking sound effect something new? I love it lol
This guy wasn't their friend, he was their bully. While I'd like to agree that the group enabled his behaviour, it is very difficult for a meek person to stand up to some one who is used to being aggressive and manipulative (It sounds like they were mostly women, while he was a more imposing man who liked to select his targets.)
May the 4th be with all you crabs!
*tries to pretend like it's not a saying that's become so mainstream over the last few years*
And also with you!
Manchild did listen to every word OP and others said to him and understood them completely, and actively and deliberately "un-listened", as in choosing to disregard what others are saying to him.
Also, he is deliberately speaking loudly with full intention of drowning everyone else out and overpowering them.
2:30 so… I’m pretty sure anyone who knows what a gun is knows that they are loud… (agreeing with crab here). And… I wouldn’t say not implementing backstories into a campaign means they hate backstories. A long time DM for me asks for backstories but they almost never come up. They don’t hate them they just don’t want to put in the time to try and fit it in the story.
Edit: 4:10 So assuming this is true considering OP didn’t deny it, it’s not ok to constantly ask for money from friends. Not saying they should have done what they did in game or even that they should have made fun of you for it but… that may have been their awkward way of telling you to stop.
Edit:edit: 14:00 yea… that’s just complete disregard for everything role play and story I don’t think they were being malicious. I just think they believed that part of the game didn’t matter (assuming people didn’t complain about it and it still happened)
Edit:edit:edit: So man child is a MUCH worse player than DM. That’s not to say they are a good DM. Let’s put it this way. If I was a player in a game they DM’d I would leave. If I was a player in a game they played in, I would punch them in the face. The amount of shit OP and the other players had to deal with when he was a player is unacceptable.
they said in the video he hates backstories...that would mean its not just him not using it
@@ShadowAtronach666 so your saying it’s not possible someone could be biased? That they may be made about the situation as a whole and could be exaggerating about something? You have to read between the lines sometimes.
@@PurpleCyanideTube i think youre reading too much into this bud considering i was there.
I mean, from OP's story this man seems like a terrible DM. He causes OP to have no access to money in-game, then when confronted about it tells him to deal with it in-game. Like, how is OP supposed to do that if the DM doesn't allow for it? This was only further reinforced by the whole debacle of the first group being unable to find OP's group.
This story kind of reminds me of a game I played. I will definitely agree some people just don't mesh well with others in game.
I've had multiple experiences in my short time of playing where certain people just don't mesh well with how I personally like to play. For example I find it completely unfair for a single person to always over power a players voice. It's also really annoying when as soon as the fight finishes (literally the dm is still talking) and someone ( always the same person) I loot the body.... every single battle before anyone gets a chance they always shout out I loot all the bodies 🙄 no one else every gets a chance at loot because of the one person that always gets it first ALWAYS. I'd be okay it if happened a couple times but literally every single time gets really annoying.
You really do have to find a good group where all the people mesh well together
simple fix, looting...takes time. it takes time to recover bags, belts, and body parts.
Give reasons to not be a looting goblin. You sure that bag isn't booby trapped? have a back up spell? Is it a mimic?
that is true! in Night City, "good" doesn't exist, you either hunt, or you are hunted! you are either "evil" or you are "the devil".
"good" is already dead.
also "problem bullies" like this garbage, do not belong to the multiplayer world, if you must have it all go your way, then simply make your own game and play it yourself! without including anyone in it!
also multiplayer games are too much overestimated and overblown. single player games are easier to go with.
anyway i subbed for this channel to see how toxic TTRPG players can be and how to avoid them, and i am learning!
Grow a pair.
Fr bruh. This ish coulda been solved so easily
You know, you don't need to be friends with everyone you associste with. If someone brings you to the point of literal tears multiple times cut that person out of your life, no excuses.
I know they were trying to be a good friend but Manchild would have been gone in my campaign as soon as he started yelling at another player and making them cry.
He would've been shown the door the instant he did that at my table. Friend or no.
If I was a dm here in a real life game it would take IMMENSE amount of strength for me not to physically hurt him if I let it get to this point but the most likely thing would be him being banned the moment he yells at another player
Manchild, if you ever see this. You are not invited to my group's Marvel/DC game, our deathless world 5e game nor our Sci-Fi Western TTRPG. You are not allowed even near my group. If you are, I will send you to the shadow realm...over a game of Uno.
No, in all seriousness, this dude thinks he knows everything but does not know everything. My dude, get some help.
And Crab, your videos are getting awesome.
Who else laughed when the post said “ he caused one player to start crying and leave”- fucking hilarious .
Had something similar happen to me in a 3.5 game. Bully was making fun of a new player who was very new and made some mistakes. Several sessions later the attitude of Bully was getting to everyone and things got physical. Player eventually got his revenge in game and Bully grabbed Player by the shirt and shook him violently. Bully was kicked out of any future games and also out of the circle of friends because of his abuse.
Either OP is a really timid person and has all my sympathy or Manchild is a lot worse in TTRPGs than OP knows how to accurately convey because the amount of grief, tears and plain bullshit OP put up with even as a GM is genuinely incredible.
its a mix of both
I'm confused at how Manchild could be both a good storyteller and completely opposed to backstory or character interaction, and so prone to killing off PCs that it doesn't sound like any of them really had a chance to *be* characters. Either way, definitely sounds like a terrible person to game with in any capacity.
Remember, no out of game shouting at the DnD table, major sign of problem player
I saw some sort of Professor somewhere in the internet, saying
_" About 96% of Humankind that lives today 'in the West', will never truly reach adulthood. They will never grasp what this entails. "_
Was on a thumbnail. In my immature need and eternal pursuit of nothing but entertainment, I did not clicked on the video. =))))))))
Okay this might sound mean, but a lot of this could have been avoided if the DM wasn't so passive. As a DM, you have to be able to keep control of your players no matter how they feel about things. If they're blatantly metagaming or throwing rules out of the window, they need to be punished when they don't listen to reason, EX: injuring their character to the point they have to sit out of a session or even killing their current character. Something to get them to rethink the next time they wanna pull that shit.
With this guy though, I understand that OP wanted to please everyone and the guy was their friend, but the moment another of their friends started crying was the moment Manchild needed to be kicked out of the session. No normal player is going to emotionally abuse their friend because "I don't like what you're doing", because that's NOT a friend. Taking Fox to him in person and BOTH of you were shutting down and crying because he started screaming? Instant cut off from your lives. The other friend there should have fuckin decked him.
Idk it just seems like OP was enabling Manchild's behavior and just literally letting him take over like he was calling the shots. It might just seem that way because they never state that they would attempt to shut down Manchild when he started his shit; it just sounded like they would sit there and listen to him before moving on. Maybe it's because I can get a little explosive in temperament when someone does things like this, but if the guy was screaming at other friends in session for something he was warned of multiple times, I'd be the one screaming at his dumb ass.
"Smells like an MTG tournament"
Low blow critcrab, low blow.
I second the silencer thing. However, if I were the GM, I would give players time to look at the rulebook first before we play the game just to make sure they know stuff like this.
Can't say I'm with OP. I felt bad for them at first, but after Manchild made other players (including OP) cry on multiple occasions, OP not only let Manchild stay, but, and I quote, "reset the whole world," "changed his character alignment," and "gave in to his demands" and was enabling Manchild's behavior.
"He was also our friend" my ass. Manchild's behavior is completely unacceptable and he should have been booted. I know OP tried to talk things out, but sometimes you have to take action and kick the problem player out.
Manchild is, yeah, a manchild, but OP is a complete doormat and seems like a cruddy DM. Not because of a good-quality game -- it could be the best game in the world -- but for not doing what's best for the game and the group.
Sorry, not sorry. The op is pathetic, "we started crying." If it's that bad and he is causing issues to that extreme of a level, they should have booted him LONG ago and the fact they didn't makes them just as bad if not worse they had 1 job and that was to make an enjoyable game for everyone involved and if there is 1 person ruining it they need to leave. I've had the issue in my previous game and I'm at that point with one of my current players. I've chided him once, when it didn't stop. I spoke to him privately, and if it ever happens again, he will be gone. "But we're friends." I'm friends with my problem player, and I was friends with the first 2. But I'm also friends with the rest of the players if your so dumb you can't see past "but muh fwend," you're just as problematic for letting it continue.
Man child gave them backstory PTSD
After he made the first player cry I would’ve warned him that he was on thin ice. After the stress build up during the confrontation at work I probably would’ve either canceled the game or kicked the player. No one needs the kind of stress Bad D&D brings along. I get you probably didn’t want to hurt Manchild’s feelings but you have to think about your own feelings first and if that person isn’t self aware enough to see the damage they’re causing then you don’t need them in your life!
The Mute/Kick and all that... that was exactly my thoughtprocess when I heard "online was harder" the first time in this story...
They should have just kicked him out of the game in the first place! When a player is shouting at other players and completely being a huge d*ck, I would instantly boot them!
well, I allready did that in the past, with no regards of being friends or not.
You are old enough to talk about it with them and if they don't listen -> good riddance!
I like the sound of the crab legs. It helps too that there's an audio clue when you jump in with commentary
Uhm, actually, cyberpunk is NOT a post-apocalyptic world, it’s a sci-fi dystopian alternate reality.
I’d say that wishing that someone would step on a LEGO brick would be the equivalent to sentencing someone to death.
Also, mad respect +50 for using the proper plural form of LEGO, which is LEGO.
Good people dont survive in night city... My guy, Mike Pondsmith, the Creator of Cyberpunk, has the most badass/strongest character as a lawful good who doesnt even use any advanced cyberware, and explicitly leaves all his targets/enemies alive if possible.
He is literally a main character in the universe and not backed by a corporation. He is the exact opposite of Adam Smasher in every conceivable way.
OP: I guess you should have gun knowledge before playing cyberpunk.
Me: oh dang, is there like an in depth weapon modding system that mirrors modern weapons?
OP: I shot my gun and it was loud, wtf
….as annoying as that was, the core of the horror story is a group of people being sniveling pushovers. I feel like in a DM position you hold all the power, so why let him be like that? Manchild sounds super annoying…but that’s it, tell them to fuck off, block them, play without them, etc. I just don’t understand the constant crying and falling apart.
Ah yes the crab walk noise. Long live the 🦀