To Catch A Predator: D&D Edition
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This is why we can't have nice things...
... without law enforcement in our world. =)
Just for what it's worth, I know this must have been a hard one to make but I appreciated the tone here. I feel like it's a more personal video to you than just reading stories aloud and giving closing thoughts at the end.
Forget cringe, this one was rough enough I think it calls for a full-blown old school glory story to cleanse the pallet.
The last story it was from another old video, if I remember. Only asking
I don't know exactly when, but I could've sworn that CritCrab already covered the 3rd story, though I suppose I might be mixing him up with Kunic. I definitely remember the name Fulred and the "he swallowed the BOAT" line, though.
"Nooo! He can't just take vengeance into his own hands! He's a Paladin! He's supposed to be a holy ma-"
[KICKS THE DOOR IN] *WE CAN'T EXPECT GOD TO DO ALL THE WORK.*
*Chuckles in Vengence Paladin*
*EYES GLOW RED IN JOSHUA GRAHAM*
LAUGHS IN OATH OF CONQUEST PALADIN!💀
Laughs in in satanic paladin
child predator abuses child, oathbreaker: oh boy, here I go massacring again
Story 1 boils down to: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."
Seen my comment?
That reminds me of a quote from a video game and now I wonder if you have ever heard of or played 'Furi'.
In his defense dude was a kid and prob didn't know how to handle the situation. Any adults involved otoh,should have immediately shut that down,an yeh police should have been called immediately
@@omegamark9178 And he also clearly lived in a creepy place where this behaviour was the norm. Peer pressure is a thing, I don't think we should be judging a guy who just get out of childhood for not understanding that what everyone did is bad ^^'
The problem is with all the other adults that did nothing.
@@TheSmartboy64 it’s… it’s a real quote by I think Edmund Burke
"DM was planning to be a pastor and would obviously flirt with the 8th graders."
Ah, I see we are having this kind of predator story today.
I thought it was op that wanted to be a pastor?
@@chrometheraptor They both did! The DM was actively trying to be one while OP was planning on it after they finished high school.
@@claranadine1086 Ohhhhhh, got it! Thanks!
@@chrometheraptor no prob 👍 that part had confused me too and I had to rewatch it lolol
Religion is _such_ a great way to teach compliant people a completely fucked set of morals that don't make any sense whatsoever!
Gotta love how in the first story OP is more focused on the money hoarding of the story instead of the DM being a pedo...
Yeah, everyone in that group overlooked the obvious and a pedo walked free. God I fucking hate people! Their priorities are always out the window!
Right, it was like the 3rd thing on his list of complaints.
@@Warcodered01 he needs to get his priorities straight
Well to be fair, if I was OP, making that post talking about that shit would be uncomfortable, like, it wouldn't be something I'd want to go over in detail or for too long cause its so bad, so I'd try to just "TLDR" the actual events that I'd be typing when it came to that vs the other stuff not being as bad and therefor being easier for me to type out.
Edit: Though if I was OP I'd have been done with that shit from the get go and called the police myself, so.
@@TheDaxter11 I get that but my concern is that the way OP is talking about it they’re just treating it more like an afterthought compared to hoarding. And as Warcodered01 said it wasn’t even that high up on OP’s list of problems with the creep
I once played in a tiny three-man group where we all had two characters. When I say three, I mean the DM was included in that number. I honestly don't remember much of that game, but my husband insists it was one of the best he ever played.
Spicy! Xx
That’s actually awesome to hear! I was wondering if it’s be a cool idea but I really don’t wanna test that out haha
So it was you, the Dm, and your husband? Or the husband was the DM? 🧐
@@oneworld9903 Both, actually. We rotated who was DM each time a major quest arc was wrapped up.
@@thefairybug40 wha.... how?
Since OP and "that guy" are both training to be youth pastors here, I feel the need to say this: I am a pastor. When I was seminary, and they were addressing this topic, they were very clear: WHENEVER YOU FIND THAT A PERSON IS SEXUALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A MINOR, OR PLANNING TO DO SO, YOU MUST REPORT IT TO THE POLICE. WHATEVER ELSE YOU DO, YOU MUST REPORT IT TO THE POLICE. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS.
Everyone in the first story absolutely failed at being decent human beings. There’s no excuse for turning a blind eye to an adult’s predatory behavior toward a child.
Atleast op made it clear that they knew how horrific their actions were. They did something awful but atleats they were adult enough to admit that
Okay, have you ever been in school? Have you never seen people that are 15 or less having relationships with 17 and over? I'm sure if I knew such people, everyone around me knew it just as well. So why did nobody do anything about it?
@@helgenlane Yeah first story is honestly pretty normal, not sure why its dramatic when its even something thats legal. I swear some people have just never been in a school before
@@helgenlane Just because it's common doesn't mean it's right
@@gavinziozios1431 of course, it's disturbing for me, it never ends well, I have never seen it as good experience. It's just that people here act like it's the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity, while in real life I doubt they were able to do or even tried to do something in such situations, which happen all the time.
"The medical field is not friendly towards creepy behavior."
Do you have any idea how hard it is to even get a sexual misconduct report of a doctor considered for trial after review? They have borderline immunity unless it's some big deal on the news.
Remind me of the damn raped done to the usa gymnasts. Fuck, that is nasty af.
Pharmacists arent doctors, they're glorified clerks
Funny they torture pain patients denying working meds and forcing them on more dangerous less effictive but still patented way more expdnsive meds just fine
The medical field has a MUCH higher concentration of power hungry sociopaths than the general population. Not only do they have resources to protect them built into the system they work in, but the field draws highly intelligent people, which would be another valuable resource in avoiding capture.
Also, the way OP said that Harold was calling himself a doctor without a doctorate came across weird. They're technically correct since Harold was still in training, but a PharmD is a doctoral degree and it sounded like they were implying that it wasn't. Pharmacists working in hospitals and research will be more well-versed in medications than most other doctors. Retail pharmacists earned the title too, even though being a retail pharmacist in the present is a waste of that degree.
As someone who was groomed age 11-13, it’s incredibly important to spread awareness and have people on the lookout. I’m 18 now with some friends/mutual who I’m a little hyper-protective of when it comes to keeping them away from predators. To no fault of their own, a lot of minors don’t realize the situation they’re in until it’s already happened and it’s important we protect the kids of the internet. A LOT of girls my age were groomed online in the past too and we need to keep this from happening to more kids.
TDL ty for posting this video and spreading awareness
I understand this, but wait until you have children. I've been frequently accused of being overprotective. Even by my 27 year old Son. Josef is USMC. He'll say " Dad, I don't need your help anymore". I'll say "Maybe not, but Your getting it anyway".
It took me at least a decade to recognize that I was groomed. I stopped being in contact with the creep years ago but even still I only really acknowledged his behavior as grooming like... Last month
100% this. I grew up on the Internet while it was still young, and always had a naturally skeptical mind besides, so I was lucky that I was able to sniff out people wishing me harm.
I help moderate a rather small discord for a fans of show with only about 20 active people but like 130 lurkers and have had to make a rule of like 'hey the internet is not just made of your friends, please don't doxx yourself' after too many time of the kids just straight up sending photos that are doxxing or inappropriate we had to basically ban irl pics. Kids don't seem to have had the stranger danger talk anymore. Even now as an adult I don't share name or my face.
@@elaz925 I know, right. Both my daughters have been taught "stranger/danger". Further, they both have high pitched voices. I taught both of them to "scream bloody murder" if someone bothers them. To define this, it's like a tornado alarm going off. My youngest, Sammi, asked me why I called it bloody murder. I explained that that's what I can do to someone hurting you.
When I was 15 I really didn't have many options for playing D&D, so I turned to playing online. My first game online I met a man who proceeded to groom me and exploit me for 2 years before I realized what was happening and put an end to it.
These people infiltrate our hobbies and communities not out of a shared enjoyment of the game, but to prey on weaker individuals. We need to be more vigilant in outing them.
with that final story, what kind of self-respecting server that contains minors allows characters to have any mention of rape in their backstories? surely its not just weird for me right?
No, you're correct. That is definitely weird.
Thinking about it it's really weird tho maybe they weren't that strict about characters backstories. However having the mention of that kind of stuff was a really bad move from them and they should try to be more careful on the nearby future.
in a way, it's ironic because edgy 15 year olds are the ones most interesting in adding that in no tacky way to their settings. but that itself makes them the least qualified to handle the subject.
I have to be honest, I have characters where that is technically a part of their backstory (usually, just a traumatic backstory in general), but I always check what triggers people have before I allow it to be a Canon part of their story.
@@WinterPains I do the same for mine. If the character doesn't fit the general atmosphere of the place I try adapt the backstory to fit in while trying my best to keep the original essence.
The first story is a good reminder that predators groom bystanders, too. It was probably no mistake or coincidence that the DM was showing the host such favoritism.
"Oh boy another one of these
After the first story: "Oh ok so thats just, the worst"
"Maybe the next story will be ni-
WARNING: Mentions of rape, torture, and grooming
"oh god"
And goes all in the three stories
The second story had a happy ending tho. "we got 'im"
"It can't possibly get any worse"
2 seconds later
"IT GOT WORSE"
What did you expect? You read the title, didn't you
@@lazernor You’d think the first story was what the title was about.
In that first story, yeah a 4 year age gap was considered normal back when I was in high school so I suspect they just thought it was creepy but not a heinous crime, as teens themselves. As they said adults did not tell us that wasn't ok, it was seen as normal.
A four year age gap isn't really the problem though...would anyone bat an eyelash at a 24 year old an a 28 year old dating? No, they wouldn't. The issue is the maturity factor. The maturity level between 24 and 28 "should" be equal but not so between a 14 year old and an 18 year old.
You have to differ though. Age gaps in younger ages are far more relevant than in higher ages.
14+18 is quite rough. 16+20 is problematic to an extent, as it's legal in some countries, but that's not the point right now.
If you compare that age gap to 30+34, that age gap is almost nothing.
Now, there are couples with an age gap of 12+ years. That's totally fine if you're... let's say over 28? So 28+40? Well, if both parties are fine with it. But 14+26? 16+28? No way. Hell even 18+30 seems strange.
But maybe you get the point, 4 year gap doesn't sound that much, but within a certain range, it IS much.
@@MikaeruDaiTenshi I don’t think they were arguing against this, it’s just that especially in the past (not so far in the past, mind you) freshmen dating seniors in hs wasnt the most uncommon thing. We’re getting to a point where, culturally, it’s becoming less and less acceptable, which is a great thing, but back in the day a kid in hs or just freshly out of it’s worst thought might’ve been “huh, that’s kinda weird”. It sucks, and I’m glad that hopefully we’re growing out of that and finally seeing how to date people appropriately.
@@LaughingOwlKiller Calling a pedophile a 18 years old guy dating a 14 years old girl seems really american to me. It's pretty comon teenage behavior in my country. If the guy was, say 25, maybe i would be shocked. But all the disgust showned in the video really looks like american bigotry to me.
@@elios4592 I mean I'm American I was a senior and my first girlfriend was a freshman we grew up together and fell in love. It's normal. It's more of an oversensitive problem. The groping while sleeping was wrong though.
I thought this was gonna be an in-game thing... This is MUCH worse.
*edit*: fucking weirdos decided to host a mini r/atheism in my post. Fml.
Doods we have IsIam in the west now.
It comes with looking at all kinds of doctrins to see females as lesser beings & the r°pes and murder cases come in the thousands.
Know your animalistic excuse-alibi rel°gions or stop acting outraged.
The West is falling fast, thx to self-h°te rac°sm. Those D&D creeps got nothing on a much bigger plague.
@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Christianity also considers woman to be men's lessers and has been used to justify immeasurable bloodshed, but I doubt you think Christianity has anything to do with your perceived downfall of western society.
@@Schneeregen_ can't we all just come together and be friends by agreeing that all three branches of the religion of the God of the Desert suck?
@@Schneeregen_ Ever read Bible at all ? You know the line that is most obnoxiously spammed on all this "let's shit on Christians for whatever reason" groups is pretty much subverted in the same sentence after a comma they cut it out without ?
@@jakubrogacz6829 You don't seem to have a problem with the guy who's shitting on Islam, but when I point out that Christianity, like most religions, has been used to justify terrible things, you get all upset.
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.
Bruh... 18 and 14 is not that crazy. That's a senior with a freshman, it is pretty common. You're talking like it was a 25 year old with a 14 year old.
Fyi an 18 year old is far from a grown man, we're still mentally developing until mid 20s
An 18 year old is a college freshman and a 14 year old is in middle school that is insanely creepy
@@ElRojo651 what middle school did you go to? By 14 most kids are freshmen in highschool. Highschool is 4 years kids usually graduate at 17-18... Yes an 18 year old could be a college kid or a highschool senior. It's not that crazy for a senior to date a freshman
Oh god, another 'To catch a predator' DnD vid?
Lemme get my popcorn.
Here, take mine. 🍿
Last story is the same story as the last "to catch a predator" video, i think.
@@ulvemann43 I went back to the video and it’s the same story,
It is so important that people understand that when it comes to childhood sexual assault, 93% of children know the perpetrator, with 59% being acquaintances and 34% being family members. It isn't always your uncle or your step-dad. It can be your cousins, friends of your older brother and sister... People "around your age" that you don't consider to be a threat to you because, hey, he's a young boy and that's just sort of what young boys do! This was heartbreaking, but I appreciate you handling this topic with a lot of respect, CritCrab. Thank you.
It's abhorrent to tolerate sexual harassment just to play D&D, it ain't worth it
Absolutely nothing is worth tolerating that shit.
@Ethan Morrill This sentence confused me.
Either you are implying that nothing is better than to play with psychos.
Or you are implying that not playing at all is better than playing with psychos.
@@oddtomato1049 how are you struggling so hard to understand what he's saying? He's agreeing with the original statement... Very clearly...
@Ethan Morrill 99.9% of people completely understand your statement. Peace.
@Ethan Morrill it’s alright, the wording definitely confused me the first time too
"I'm sure it exists but to this day I've still never met a DND group where everyone plays two PCs."
My dad and his friends played D&D back in their highschool/college days, and the way they played was everyone played multiple PCs; usually at least 3 or 4. The way they played, every PC started at level 1 with no exceptions, and each campaign a different person in the group would be DMing. I'm not actually sure, but I think their D&D group had 3 or 4 people in all, so that's like 9 PCs minimum every campaign, usually more; from some of the stories he told me, it seemed like some of the campaigns had as many as 20 or more PCs. These were usually hard campaigns with lots of PC deaths, especially since every campaign would inevitably have a few level 1 practically redshirt characters coming along, being the first adventure for those new characters.
It's actually the way I got introduced to D&D, so when I first played it with other people, I was actually surprised that most people play with only a single PC per person. I understand why now, but back then I was really rather perplexed by it; having plenty of PCs so you could keep playing if any one of them died seemed perfectly logical to me.
I'm glad Shell is nowhere to be seen this video.
Don't want him to be traumatized.
I must protect the small one
@@CritCrab that is the way
@@CritCrab Well, lets hope that they post this on Reddit so they also presumably read the Reaction of People and RUclipsrs.
Means: Lets hope they called the Police and reported it,
so future Victims are protected (a Thing that is extremly, extremly important even if you yourself are already out of it and safe).
Lets hope in the cases where the Police wasnt involved, like the first Story, OP realizes AND shows his friends so they also REALIZE that ‚more’ has to be done and this ‚Story’ aint over.
@@CritCrab Well, lets hope that they post this on Reddit so they also presumably read the Reaction of People and RUclipsrs.
Means: Lets hope they called the Police and reported it,
so future Victims are protected (a Thing that is extremly, extremly important even if you yourself are already out of it and safe).
Lets hope in the cases where the Police wasnt involved, like the first Story, OP realizes AND shows his friends so they also REALIZE that ‚more’ has to be done and this ‚Story’ aint over.
"DM shows severe favoritism, allowing player to play two characters and hoard enough money to make kings jealous. I get kicked out for calling out the favoritism." I HAVE BEEN THAT PLAYER WHO GOT KICKED OUT FOR CALLING OUT THE DM'S BS.
How to catch a predator:
-be Arnold
-set up traps around
-cover yourself in mud
-wait for night
-do a Tarzan roar to signal challenge
-hide
Not gonna lie, i was a little confused at first.
Kick little stick
Drop big log
Don’t forget - insult predator's appearance.
- get to the choppa!
@@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer RAAUURR!
A gap between 14 and 18 might not seem much, HOWEVER, a 14 years old is not at the same stage both mentally and in their life than a 18 years old. This is an age in which each year represents a huge gap in personal development. It IS bad, especially when it is so obviously predatory. Everyone failed that girl in the first story, acting as though what happened to her was not worth getting upset. How is she supposed to feel valid and speak out when everyone just ignore her ? Please, if you ever witness this kind of situation, do make clear this is NOT normal, and do whatever you can to ensure the victim's safety.
Story 3 was already read, it’s the “How to catch a predator”. Was that on purpose with added stories?
Could be a copypasta
I was going to say this. Glad it wasn't just me who realized it.
Yeah I was super confused
I don't remember the pandemic reference from last time, so probably just a repost.
Yeah I knew I heard it before
Hey yall. Have to play devil's advocate here.
Being attracted to a 14 year old is not Pedophilia, it's called Ephebephillia. Pedophilia is being attracted to pre-pubecent children (usually under double digits in age). Also (coming from someone who lives in the US) there are many states were a 4 year difference (as in, 14 and 18 year olds) is legal. Also, there are many other countries (like Germany) where the age of consent is 13. (Meaning, a 13 year old can legally date an adult, 18+).
So, calling someone 18 who is dating a 14 year old a Pedophile and saying they are disgusting is your opinion (to which everyone is entitled to) but is not necessarily illegal or something you can all the cops about. Just saying, check your local laws, before calling the cops on people, because you might be the one castigated by the police, for attempting a false police report.
Now, should this be brought up to the parents/gaurdian of the younger person, absolutely! And, if the laws are in your favor, then absolutely call the cops. But, you must also protect yourselves in these situations. Because a false police report (whether you meant it to be or not) is a rather bad thing for you to be charged with.
Anyways, always keep an eye our for predators, and child groomers. And do what you can to protect children. But remember, that not all laws are the same everywhere, and you must think about your own safety (both from confronting a predator, and legally speaking).
Sorry if I sound like the weirdo in this situation. But I myself was nearly charged for creating a false police report on a 14/18 year old couple.Who, by the way are married now with three kids. And, as far as I can tell, the guy is deeply in love with his wife, and has not approached any other females romantically (of age or not).
So, keep yourselves safe out there, and learn your local laws. And, if someone is coming onto you, and you are uncomfortable with it, whether you are a minor or not, just know you are allowed to tell that person to F-off, and leave you alone. If it continues, then call the cops for sexual harrasement.
" but is not necessarily illegal or something you can all the cops about"
It's not because it's legal that it's moral or not wrong. There's a lot of things that should be legal and aren't, and a lot of other things that should be illegal and aren't. COnsent ages are one of these, adolescents should not sleep with adults, period. It's called pedocriminality, and I don't care if it's legal (age of consent 15 in my country), it's gross and should be condemned, period.
And even if we ignore the pedocriminality, all these perverts are still doing sexual harassment online, which is not legal, nor right either, pedocriminality is just an aggravating circumstance. Especially the second one, sending nude pictures without the consent of the other person is a crime in my country and punishable by a fine, and the rest is just sexual harassment.
@@krankarvolund7771
Not about legal, moral of not wrong, but it's "gross and should be condemned." Thanks for like, your opinion, man.
Yep, that's a line used against gay couples, interracial couples and even just trans people for years.
And I never said it was a good thing or not, I simply said people should think before calling cops, cause once you call cops, you can't uncall them.
Also, you say adolescents shouldn't be with adults, period. Could you please define adult and adolescents for me, in a logically consistent way?
Like I said as everyone is entitled to their opinions, which was all your comment was. But, you seemed like you were trying to read into my motives for commenting. And, I think you got those wrong. So, just saying.
You have a great day.
How about men stop playing devil's advocate when it's about child r4pe and sexual assault. Most of these suckers get away and it's folks like you that don't help the situation at all 🙄🙄🙄
@@krankarvolund7771 We know you're attracted to 15 year olds. You don't have to shout. If your urges are so strong that you can't control yourself in the presence of minors that sounds like a you problem, not a problem for society.
Protecting children from each other is pretty stupid, since a 14 year old and a 18 year old can attend the same high school, attend the same classes, and be perfectly compatible in dating each other. It's odd but not immoral, and I'm sure the amount of jokes the two would get in the lunchroom would be a pretty good laugh for about a month or so.
@@SecuR0M What? I'm the one saying that being with a 15 year old should be illegal, while it's not in my country, read my comment before accusing me.....
Story 1- Yikes! have to say that depending on OP's RL profession he may have been legally required to report DM (in the U.S. some professions such as teachers are required to report such things whether they occur at their school or not). Dude should have been fried, not set free
Story 2- if this is true, hooray! If not it's still a good cautionary tale.
Story 3- tales like this and the first one make you want to saw your skull open and scrub your brain with extra coarse sandpaper. Hopefully this guy was stopped.
Highly doubt it. Telling a pedo "grooming is bad" isn't gonna do jack. He is just gonna keep on doing it unless he goes to prison
In story 1, it sounded like OP was still in high school at the time; he said the players were all ages 17 - 19, and that it was the 1st of 2nd time playing for all of them. He's unlikely to have had a profession.
@@alexc3337 or they keep doing it until theyre caught or shot by a relative (i think i remember hearing a story were someone tried to groom a child and the childs parent shot or beat up the groomer)
In the US, their are people who are trained as Mandatory Reporters. This is supposed to include all medical, all educational, all police, all rescue, and all military. How these abhorrent humans pass through the cracks, I have no idea. I guess some people just don't give a shyt.
Depending on the state it may not even have been illegal. I know some states have exceptions for partners within 4 years of each other.
It's still super gross, groomy, and Not Okay(tm) - my point is more that OP might have had their own hands tied in terms of getting the problem solved through legal channels.
Op: *makes bait minor persona*
Fulred: *heavy tf2 eating noises*
Nice hustle tons of fun. Next time eat a salad!
OP, while they absolutely should have called the cops, I don’t fully blame for that relationship continuing as they had seen teacher do next to nothing about it (which also makes me extremely worried about what that school was like).
Edit: I should mention that I believe he absolutely should have called the cops on it but influence from other similar situations left an implication on them most likely. If you see pedophilia happening then CALL THE COPS
iirc depending on the place the cops wouldn't have done anything as in some places its legal for seniors to date freshmen and such as they are both in high school thus isnt considered a thing. just thought of as a student flirting with another student not a adult flirting with a minor. really its not in till the unwanted sexual act happened happened that anything would have been considered illegal in a lot of places.
is it terrible? yes. but unfortunately...
@@CloudHiro Student x Student is seen as just students being students, for better or for worse. It really depends upon how old the students involved are where you get into the murky areas.
@@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty pretty much. it gets pretty murky but unless that line I mentioned gets crossed its considered 'fine'.
Not just that, both op and dm wanted to be a pastor. They really need to get their judgement straight or else it will really hurt a lot of people.
yes but i REALLY expected a worse age difference than just 18 and 14.
@critcrab I would like yo ask you as question do you have an issue with an 18 year old dating a 22 year old or a 14-15 year old dating say a 17 year old and then it becomes a 15 dating an 18 year old. it is funny how being 18 makes a huge difference when you can still be in a place where you are meeting those younger than you. I am not trying to say the guy is right for what he did however I am looking at this logically some 18 year olds will go after 40+ year olds. it is sad that 18 is such a magic number that some one becomes and adult instead of maturity level and knowledge level playing a factor in when some one is an adult.
"This one player had two characters and bought up every store in town to prevent the Dark Elf from buying and selling. The DM was molesting underage girls irl in the meantime, but this guy... this guy right here was being racist towards a make believe race of people. That simply will not stand."
The hell is wrong with these people?
I think you're already did the third story (I remember the "Oh she's a virgin ? Nicolette can fix that")
Yeah, the last story gave me constant deja vu
Yes I'm pretty sure it was an old one.
Same, for me it was the "I can sherlock the hell out of you" bit that I KNOW I've heard before
I knew it was a repeat when I heard the "pretending to be from Nevada". I live in Nevada, and some of those laws are a little off. But basically true.
As soon as he said the word Fulred I knew it was repeat
It is weird when seniors date freshmen but I feel like it happens alot and that is an 18yr dating a 14year old...
I think you already did the "Fullred" story before.
Totally did
Yes, the Fullred/White story sounds familiar.
He has, but I can't find that one so maybe he just unlisted it and just put it in here
Yeah - I'll be honest, though, I needed it after that first one.
It might have been a similar story or a different story about the same character/player. The name and especially the 'evil split personality' trait sounds very familiar, but I'm certain I've never heard these particular stories before.
Seniors dating freshmen can be predatory but its not always. They are in the same social group and not always 18. in the case of HS the arbitrary of 18 being a full adult always just seemed weird to me, Your social group is still that of HS and Its not like freshmen are never around you in social clubs. At 30 honestly, i look at 18-year-old seniors as basically big children and despite being legal adults still incredibly creepy and grooming if anyone in my age group were to try to date them. All this said it's VERY different though when it comes you HS senior and middle school which is what this situation is. This dude was a predator plain and simple
This is why I deem the 'don't rock the boat' mindset as the most toxic out of all of them
I fully agree, in all dnd reddit stories. Too many people seem to think recognizing bad behavior but doing nothing about it awards them good person points because at least they weren't directly involved in bad behavior. Im willing to give some leniency depending on the situation (like an 8 year old not reporting seeing scary man assaulting his gf, it's understandable that the kid would be too freaked out to know what to do) but a kid ops age making the excuse of "it's kinda cringe but teachers let seniors date freshman so this adult out of highschool flirting with middle school girls must be fine. I just wanna play dnd". Teachers let bullying slide in schools but he was willing to take a stand on that...between that and how he treated the admittance of the sexual assault as more of a "well I told you so" moment instead of showing genuine remorse and disgust with himself for his inaction actually leading to a person getting hurt... I have some serious issues with that op.
@@RiveroftheWither complacency is support
I agree, inactivity should make you just as culpable
No I think that the pedophillia and predatory behavior is a more toxic mindset
@@SapphireSandwichBoys this is like arguing what's worse starting a fire or throwing lighter fluid on the fire
The first two guys: Oh, this isn’t as bad as expected… let’s just hope-
The last story after the first few words: *OH GOD THIS GUY*
What the fuck... How is the first one not horrifying?
Honestly, growing up in a very religious household like OP in the pedo story, it's not surprising, Not understandable, but not surprising that OP let this go for so long and Never did anything about it. I mean, my own very religious mother let it go after one of her bible study friends straight up held me in the air by my throat and choked me out when I was 5 years old and never did or said anything about it to anyone else because "Well I know he's a good person cause he's my friend, what else am I supposed to do?"
Oh yeah, GREAT GUY! Choking out a child is just your average everyday life thing!
I kind of feel bad saying this but I hope you don't speak to your mother, she's just as dangerous as the man is!
Often the people that let abuse slide when they aren't an abuser themselves, are also victims or past or current abuse.
I'm not excusing her, but I'm sure talking with her could give you a better understanding of her.
In my own experience, while there were times you could say I was abused today, it was like comparing a mosquito bite to a gunshot wound when I found out what my own mother had been through, and I still don't think I know all there was to know.
That's not a religious thing, that's a terrible person thing.
So, is your mother Christian? Because if yes then this situation that is already awful by itself becomes even worse. I'm not trying to be intolerant, I'm Christian myself, I'm just saying that a follower of a Religion where it's main message is basically "don't be a jerk and treat everyone nicely"(I know this is not really the best definition but let's go with it) saying that a guy that chokes a 5 year old isn't a bad person because he goes to the church must have something really wrong with their head
Holy fuck no, my religious mother would have had the guy in the hospital that's not something you just decide is OK because religion
Am I the only one who notices that these people always have the same "type" of elvish characters...
...okay, I get that depending on where the first one was posted the OP might have been concentrating more on the DnD rather than...everything else, but god GOD, OP, could you have made that sound like more an afterthought?
For real! And I’m glad critcrab slipped over the stuff about getting mad about the money hoarding and whatever was going on in game because that’s not half as important as what was happening IRL
18 yr. old male is technically adult, but in no way a "grown man" - not trying to defend the guy, that's just what it is. I just foud it bizarre to hear a 18yr old guy being portrayed as a gloom predator in his 40s. Also - i don't know the exact age frames of being minor in the country the story is taking place - but in my mind 14+ are not children - they are minors in the legal sense but children? It's puberty time, anyone in puberty thinks of himself as an adult. It's the time of sexual experiments and finding it out on your own. Again, it's not about making the guy less creepy, but i reserve the term 'child' for youngsters before puberty. Also also - it's easy to be judgemental, less easy to get off your high-moral horse - just a shoot on people constantly patting temselves on the back for being righteous or right-minded.
Thanks for calling out the first OP’s inaction. Child molestation and assault should never be excused or ignored. This story makes me so sad bc I know of several people who have been assaulted at a very young age, one of which may still be living with their assaulter. But because we were in highschool when me and some others that knew them found out, we didn’t have the recourses or the authority to provide another home for them. I still feel that we should have done more to help them though, they should be a junior this year and hopefully they get a job and move out of their predicament. Real life is even worse than the statistics and I hope everyone that has been affected by disgusting people are doing alright. There is hope for you if you are struggling, and you are certainly not alone.
I thought this was a reupload of the other How To Catch A Predator: DnD edition video. Turns out there’s another! :D
* D:
To be fair, the third story he has told before
I thought the same thing^^
CHIAKI!!! WHY DID THEY DO YOU DIRTYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
@@trentparham9026 I thought I recognized it for some reason
I feel like OP in that first post is raising a few red flags by putting equal value in favoritism in a ttrpg to BEING A PREDATOR. Actually, OP actually called out DM on the favoritism but they said next to nothing about the predatory behavior. They mentioned in the post that numbers weren't being exchanged so it was fine BUT EVEN WHEN NUMBERS WERE EXCHANGED THEY STILL BRUSHED IT OFF. The fact that they did these things just doesn't sit well with me.
I understand how people feel about age gaps but the stem of the issue when dealing with age gapes is power dynamics.
18 and 14 is a little iffy especially depending how far one is into the other.
Example: the 18 year old had their birthday a month ago and the 14 year old is turning 15 tomorrow. Now by technicality that’s only three years instead of four. And then there’s the other side of the issue like weather someone started school early or skipped a grade or got left back a grade.
I feel like the way your coming at this has no nuance. The situation of a 18 and a 14 year old isn’t inherently bad, pedophilic or creepy.
Especially sense that’s literally two kids in high school. You say that 18 is a grown adult, and that confuses the hell out of me. At age 18 you are usually still high school. You are still a child. If he was 19 and she was 14 or 15 I would 100% Agee with the sentiment but 18 and 14 is iffy at best and in my opinion should be judged on a case by case basis.
This case, yes absolutely horrible. All cases? I don’t know.
Maybe the problem here is the immediate implication of sex or sexual intimacy when it comes to dating someone. But dating doesn’t always mean having sex or being sexually intimate. Romance is not inherently sexual.
If a 18 year old and a 14 year old are dating and nothing gets sexual I feel like that’s a completely appropriate relationship.
Let me change perspective on this. An 18 year-old is a highschool senior about to graduate. A 14 year old could be in 8th grade. Where I went to school, any seniors dating a freshman were understood to be doing it for the easy lay. Anything more than a 2-year gap was suspect. 18 year-olds typically had drivers' licenses, cooler friends, more money, and easier access to alcohol and pot than any freshman.
If we make it a math problem, 14 is 77.77... % of 18. The 14 year-old is barely more than 3 quarters of an 18 year-old's age.
When I was 18 I dated a freshmen who was probably 15 maybe she was 14 we never once were intimated we were both religious and had decided to wait to get married to do anything like that. We broke up a few years latter maybe my second year in the Marine Corps when she decided she didn't want to wait anymore. But no it's not always creepy and many couples who are adults have 8-10 year age gaps and no one even thinks that who when he was 18 she was only 10. It's only creepy when they are that age.
I don't think you call the cops for a relationship between 14 and 18. You only do it when there's unwanted contact.
It makes me mad whenever people say it's wrong to have such a small age gap in a relationship. So 14 and 17 is okay but as soon as the older person hits their birthday, they gotta break up?
Uh? 14 and 17 is kinda creepy, the younger's barely in puberty
@@maccychee3858 depends on the person. Puberty can start as soon as 11.
But even then, you don't call the cops for "kinda creepy" otherwise they'd be called for every dirty look and every catcalling. It's like blocking someone online over a rumour you didn't double check. It's overkill.
Jesus that last one. Dude needs to get SERIOUS therapy.
I think "I" need therapy after just the first 10 minutes! I have NOTHING but hatred for sex offenders!!!
I dont think people should judge age differences when someone who just recently became 18 is interested in dating with someone under 18 as long as the age difference isnt a large amount. I usually say 5 years is the most i'd accept, contemplating on reducing it to 4.
I think people should judge those type of relationships based off the intentions of the older side. Because immediately assuming them to be disgusting just for dating someone younger than 18 but only have a 4 year or so difference, means that my relationship wouldve never be a thing. As i dated my now fiance when she was 15 and i was 19.
I helped her escape an abusive family and changed each others lives for the better. We are currently in a strong 5 year relationship in a soon to be marriage once we have the money for the ceremony.
Judge peoples actions and character instead of just their age alone.
The common thread here is "if you have legitimate concerns about someone's behaviour, go to the authorities immediately."
The guys in the second and third stories were doing more harm than good by catfishing the people in question. It's called entrapment and will only help them if things go to court. If you're in a situation in any way similar to these stories, don't do what the knuckleheads in the stories did. Go. To. The. Authorities.
Entrapment is different. It's pushing to do something they wouldn't normally do. The clear entrapment is trying to convince a guy to buy drugs, when he didn't want to, then busting him for the drugs.
In case 2, it would require context. They can be considered a sting, but it is a common tactic to utilize undercover work to get hard evidence.
Case 3, they said they weren't feeding the behavior on purpose. That's important here, as that establishes non-entrapment.
Entrapment is hard to prove, and it is usually used in favor of something that could be addictive in the long run, to guarantee them continuing breaking the law.
This wasn't that. I still think getting law enforcement to do this is safer, but this isn't entrapment.
TL;DR: Not entrapment, but go to the authorities anyways.
Counter argument: sometimes they don't help like they should. My spouse has been abused like this, but the cops just said it was all in their head. I confronted the individual and we together changed the situation, but sometimes these lengths are sadly needed.
Unfortunately this is probably not the case. I would say you're wrong, because in order for the authorities to bother doing anything, they need evidence. In order to get a warrant to investigate they need evidence. Not just a claim. It often takes a substantial amount of evidence to get anything done, and if you don't have enough, they may find out somethings going on and will just be more careful with how they go about their actions. I would absolutely advise collecting all the evidence you can possibly muster before doing anything, otherwise nothing will get done. Get enough evidence to bathe in. Claim alone just isn't enough, for good and bad reasons alike.
It's also not entrapment unless you make they do something they wouldn't have done otherwise. Police conduct sting operations all the time, posing as minors and characters, and it does not help the scum in any way in court.
@@gierrah Police do it in some capacity, but because the internet is the wild west, it's hard to actually prosecute anyone. The reason it works for police is because they arrange a "meet up" with the person. Sadly I feel most of these people were never even investigated. Because simply it's the words of a citizen (that apparently means not much) against each other. If OP was never called to testify in court, it's likely he was never charged with anything. Since everyone has a right to face his accuser.
@@gierrah yeah, entrapment would be if you said something like "Let's go perv on some minors" to the predator, and after they did tried to use it as an evidence
are you under the impression cops do anything about sexual abuse?
I was actually briefly in a campaign where we all played 2 characters, but thats because it originally was a 6 person campaign that had shrunk down to us last 3 players so it was a weird circumstance.
Honestly thought this was going to be about Arcadum
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Same. The timing of this one lined up perfectly.
Also, fuck Arcadum.
Honestly I’d like to see a full on RPG Horror Story in a documentary style talking about what happened with him.
@@danwymbs5252 all my homies hate arcadum, and hell, there'd only be a couple who know who he is!
But all jokes aside, he should fucking drop dead, not be killed, not kill himself, just die on the spot
@@felixstone3.14 The entire community should just drop dead. They worshipped that man as a God.
Its almost poetic a majority of the people in the first story were religious.
I could literally hear a cracking glass every moment DM did predator things. Something in my brain shattered.
Lol love how none of the players did shit when DM was a creep until it personally affected one of them (i.e., targeting one of their gf's). Classyyyy
Honestly, given the title and the warning up front, I totally thought this was going to be about the Arcadum debacle that happened recently. Then I realized that these videos take a long time to make and there was no way that it would have come out this quickly had that been the case. People like this give our hobby such a bad name, it's a real shame.
I won't lie, I thought it too. But as you said, it just became public knowledge before this video came out. And seeing the length of it I figured it couldn't be about him. A short video briefly talking about it maybe, but not a full on episode, unless Crab was going to just read all the stories posted by the women involved who have come forward so far. It's just sad that this kind of behavior is so pervasive in the gaming hobby. Many of us have or have heard similar tales, if not been in the middle of them.
Oh fuck! What shit is the WHOLE TTRPG community going to get blamed for now?! The "Satanic Panic" was bad enough now some fuck-face is using gaming to groom people and be a sex offender, great?!
Arcadum? What's that? Can someone post a link
The what in the who now?
I knew Arcadum from the OfflineTV sessions, I'm a bit shocked to read that now. Never heared of this until now.
Honestly, I don't think 14 - Freshly 18 is *THAT* bad, but it's definitely starting to border it, it'd be a Senior with a Freshman. While it's for sure something I wouldn't do, I don't think it's inherently *wrong*
25 though? Definitely not something to just shrug at and be quiet about.
That line about seniors dating freshmen in high school and the teachers doing nothing hit home. I saw a lot of that in my high school. Shockingly, we also had multiple instances of teachers dating students too.
Ever seen Moral Orel? It's basically a great pisstake of this kind of religious hypocrite. 1st series isn't great but s2 and 3 are brilliant. By the end it's a story of a horrible abusive father and his son escaping him to become better
My heart goes out to those who have had to deal with sexual harassment online, in game, or in real life. You deserve better.
Know you aren't alone though. Tell adult, confront them as a group, leave the server, or notify the police. Just get the word about them out.
And most importantly, be safe.
What? the dude really doesnt sound cool but i expected worse age difference than just newly 18 and 14.
Similar story with different outcome.... late 20s guy in dnd group texted someone's wife about how cute another players 13 and 15 year old daughters were and his desire to "get with them" being PC here. Husband found the text, took a pic of it and sent it to everyone in the group. Very shortly thereafter divorced his wife "who agreed with dude" and the guy was not only kicked out of that group but every circle in town, and there were a lot of circles. Ruined him as it should be.
In the wake of the Arcandum incident, we need more videos and post like this to help players and bystanders identify and snuff out power abuse in the TTRPG community
The world in GENERAL, let's not be specific with STOMPING out sex offenders!!!
What happen with arcandum?
@@mrPAK215 god just as I started watching to he turns out to be a horrible person. Any other live play shows apart from the Uber mainstream ones (dimension 20/critrole) you’d recommend?
IMO Arcadum's community was just as responsible as the man himself. That was one of the worst hug box echo chambers I've ever seen. You couldn't criticize anything Arcadum did without being attacked by his sycophants. The people close to him were aware of his abuse, but instead of calling him out, they rode his coat tails and defended him until they realized his house of cards was about to collapse. I have zero sympathy for any of them. Really, they got what they deserved.
@@derrickmiles5240 the community was that bad???
boils down to never trust a youth pastor
or public school teachers
It's unfortunate. But a lot of cases of abuse and predatory behavior happen because people that could say or do something about it just.. Don't. It's bad.
So if you are going to expose a predator do not use age of consent as your fake age… Use ages younger than that, it builds a better legal case.
While I'm not one who needs it, I definitely appreciate you providing the up-top BIG CW for people that need it.
Hello! A long while ago I was critical of your videos, the pacing, the editing, the occasional double read of a line
Im back with a new comment. You've really improved your craft quite a lot tbh
Youre the best channel for D&D stories from reddit, especially among the swaths of channels that lazily copy-paste text into a reader program, and Id say the best channel period for listening to stories from reddit in terms of personality, quality, and commentary.
In short I love it, the passion shows and I cant wait to see this channel continue to grow and evolve.
Big ups and stay well
-that one guy
That third story is a repeat, isn't it? What happened to the original video with that story? Is it still up?
I think he forgot he did this before due to the sheer amount of videos he makes. It happens sometimes.
@@Arcanyum True. Understandable and I don't mind that at all. I think that someone like that huge Arizona Catfish Operation is something quite memorable, though :D
@@nbr6116 wait wait what is that another video?
The Minotaur rape scene makes me wonder either for how long he had that image prepared or how fast can he draw these type of scenes
i'm assuming he already had several images in the vault of such a thing (really not that unreasonable) and hearing a minotaur being brought up in game was like a deep sea signal to them
Alright so ima start this by saying DM of the first story is an absolute creep and I do not condone any of his actions.
However it is very much true at least from my time in Highschool that seniors would date freshman. Seniors being 17-18 and freshman being 15- some 16.
Let me also point out most 18 year olds at least over the last few years let’s be real aren’t actually adults. They have no idea what they are doing, OP did say the guy was newly 18 and probably still thought like a 17 year old.
Again, I don’t condone his actions at all. Just saw a possible explanation for his behavior, not an excuse for his behavior.
I literally dated an 18yo senior while I was a 14/15yo freshman, and it was super wholesome. It really isn't uncommon, and just because an age gap like that causes a greater potential for harm, doesn't mean it's necessarily harmful. It really bothers me how people talk about this nowadays, it doesn't make sense at all and it isn't how humans really work.
@@SynetheSage Yeah, it's like those relationships between a 17 year old and an 18 year old. One is technically a minor by like a year, even though mentally they're still pretty close in age. Calling someone a potential creep or pedo for a 2-4 year age gap is a bit of a stretch imho. Not to say that 18/19 year old can't be creeps towards younger people, far from it, but it's not always so cut and dry.
@@SynetheSage This. There's a reason states in the US with Romeo and Juliet laws normally set the maximum legal age gap at 4 years. I dated someone 4 years older than me as a freshman for about a year and the most harm it caused me was when the relationship ended with them ghosting me because, as I'd later learn, they were too worried about how people would see the age gap.
Relationships involving minors with age gaps within that sensible 4 year range can absolutely be abusive, but the age gap never _necessarily_ makes it abusive. It shouldn't be hard to examine the interactions between two people or just _talk_ to the younger person _about_ the relationship they're in and make a call as to whether it's abusive.
And if you do think it is abusive, let the police handle it. Never take it into your own hands. Not only would you likely do a worse job than the police and dish out a punishment which isn't proportional, but you could be wrong about it being abusive, and think of the trauma that would cause to both of the people in the relationship.
@A guy named Chris NO! They are very much normally 15 SOME 16! I guess they MIGHT be 14 at the VERY BEGINING of the school year but you have to turn a certain age(barring crazy smart things but then you don't go to public school, probably) to be in each grade!
I'm glad this thread exists, because as a non-American I was somewhat lost.
Not saying it isn't creepy but there are states where their Romeo and Juliet law covers up to a 4 year age difference. So depending on the exact wording of the law in the location they are at 18 to 14 while creepy may still be legal. Usually because those laws are in place to protect people who are in relationships which one is like 16 or 17 the other one turns 18 and the parents of the 16-17 year old does not like the now 18 year old and so reports them to the cops for statutory rape. The Romeo and Juliet law says no because the age difference is so small this is perfectly legal. It also is based around the idea of that like physiologically and mentally there is little to no difference between like a 16 and 18 year old or 17 and 19 year old. Like 2-3 years does not Magically make you an entirely different person or change you in any significant way. You are still close enough in age that there is no significant difference therefore it is fine but that's where the limit usually ends is 3 years difference, 4 years maximum. I believe it's 4 years in some places specifically to cover exactly what OP was talking about with senior's dating freshmen. The idea is probably that if you are both going to high school in the same years then there is not a significant enough difference between your ages.
The 1st story op was bad. Age isn't an excuse to be ok watching a full grown man hit on someone not old enough to drive.
full grown man is a very interesting word choice for an 18 year old. He's legally an adult but FAR from a full grown man
18 to 14 isn't THAT weird. My companion and I happened to have those ages (only for a couple of months since there are three years between us, he's from May and I'm from July).
No predatory acting ever happened and we're happily together after over 13 years.
While 18 to 14 is suspicious, 4 years are not necessarily so bad, or worse than just one year. It can't be decided on a principle, but only case by case. I agree that most cases ARE bad, especially with strangers online, and that kids MUST be protected from this kind of horrible people.
But assuming someone is horrible just because of an age gap that will go unnoticed by the time the younger one hits 20 can be dangerous for many.
In OP's case though, they could SEE that the intent was predatory, and SHOULD have done something.
Gotta admit I appreciate Pissed Off Crab, the sass is enjoyable.
I can imagine the level of cringe that someone feels when a creep hits on a minor, then feeling that its a smaller offense (Its not) than what was described later.
The line; "This was just the beginning" comes to mind and home boy should have karate chopped the fear of god into that fucking predator.
I'll probably post a horror story on the subreddit about when my friend (the DM) made an npc with the sole purpose of killing another player's character in the most shameless way possible.
Please do that sounds interesting
I hope that person is at LEAST no longer your DM, I would go as far as making them no longer a FRIEND too. That's a shitty thing to do as a person!
@@JacksonOwex Is it? Need context. Ran a game once where as a "hilarious joke" one of my players decided his character was suddenly murderously racist against humans with black skin. Asked if any NPCs in their hub town were black-skinned.
Long story short I improvised an NPC that fit this description that also happened to be a fighter build with a three level advantage. The in-game ass-kicking proved to be suitable chastisement for such shitty behaviour.
@@adamcline8728 Ha! Love the poetic justice for that edgy guy
Just need to point something out:
The internet brings out the worst in people. All these "predators" were more likely to do their disgusting shit to people on the net only seeing as it satisfied their urges and left them in relative safety. They would be very unlikely to have the strength of personality to even *approach* a minor outside of their comfort zone behind the monitor
18 and 14.
okay that's off by 2 years, but it's not like he's 30 or she's 12...
The important thing is what he did and how uncomfortable she was, not that he was 4 years older.
jesus christ i hate humanity
18 and 14 is 4 years apart and still insanely creepy and wrong what is wrong with your that's a college freshman dating a middle schooler that's fucked up
What he did was illegal everywhere in the US. The lowest age of consent is 16 throughout the states. Adults (usually men) manipulate underage teens for sex because they haven't developed the impulse control and good judgement that adults are expected to have.
@@toddmoore9841 it's not mostly men, women do it just as often.
@@ElRojo651 The only thing that is wrong is what he did. The age is close enough that it doesn't matter.
Well...he's not wrong. You could probably restore a hymen with magic.
I think a big disclaimer needs to be made concerning cultural bias. Legal ages vary greatly between countries, in Germany e.g., a relationship between a 14 and 18 year old would be legally ok, creepy nonetheless. I believe Japan has a similar context.
Though, in Germany once you are older than 18, anything younger than 18 is frowned upon.
18 and 14 is not okay in Germany
@@ElRojo651 And it shouldn't be okay anywhere.
I'm in the UK and the age of consent here is 16, so it's jarring when I hear people talking about flirting with a sixteen-year-old with the same level of horror they would if the person was six. I mean, yes, sixteen is young and relationship dynamics can get sketchy with large age gaps but while a sixteen-year-old might be legally a child, they're not a 'little girl' and as you've mentioned, not underage everywhere either. It's easy to forget that one country's sensibilities aren't universal or the only valid ones.
The first story was gross and that guy totally needed to be prosecuted. The second was someone thinking it was acceptable to force what they wanted regardless of anyone else and I'd hate to meet the guy RL. The third guy was gross and creepy and needed to get a clue that his behaviour wasn't welcome but having someone call a sixteen-year-old a 'little girl' was weird. Underage? Yes, in some places, but not a child in the same group as someone of six, or twelve.
Something for parents and guardians to remember, don't get angry with your children. They need to know that they won't get in trouble if they find themselves in a situation like these as that will contribute to them being hesitant to tell you. Be angry over many things but make sure they know that whenever someone is talking to them like this on the internet or IRL they will not be in trouble.
I swear I’ve heard that last story before on this channel. Doesn’t matter. This was a sad episode. I feel for all crabs involved except for the creeps responsible.
Bruh, I'm a Christian and I just gotta say shaming people for drinking is kinda stupid considering one of Jesus' miracles was turning water into wine.
I hear this so often "No adult should ever hit on a minor." and while in general I agree, do you think that also applies to someone just turned 18 dating a still 17 year old? Because to me that sounds absurd.
That's a different case. Thats totally understandable, and no one has an issue with two people of that age being together.
Some states have a "Romeo and Juliet" clause that allows a minor to date an adult up to 4 years older than them. It's meant for a like a 17 and an 18 year old to date, but sometimes people take advantage of it. That's when it gets gross 🤢
@@SH-wl1tv some states its 5 years
Some places have special clauses because following common sense, an 18yo is obviously not that fucking different from a 17yo (and also why I don't get why people get so pissed when one is doing anything nsfw like it's only a year apart, chill)
@@SH-wl1tv i live in Germany and the law says its OK that a relationship between a 18 year old and a 14 year old is happening but the parents of both side have to agree with it and I think that's on the edge to pedophile the thing is is normal in most European countries and I'm surprised that the law in America ist in that regard so hard
OP of story #1: "In my school and at our game shop 18yo's try to put the moves on 14yo's all the time so, I thought it was normal."
WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU LIVE, MAN!?!?!? I thought _my_ town has issues, but this place is a goddamn utopia in comparison! Holy, Jesus-tap dancing-Christ! Fuck my whole, entire life...
Not gonna lie, the OP doesn't come off all that well either.
Yeah op would have to get stomped on too in my book
Which one? I'm guessing the first, but it sounds like they were fairly young and a bit naive at the time(as I was at the age).
Speaking to the first story. If DM was 17, would your disgust be so visceral? I understand the need for arbitrary lines, but guy, you're acting like turning 18 magically makes him mature and wise. He's legally an adult, but I can tell you I don't look at 18 year olds and thing, yep, they're totally mature and an adult.
I just wonder how much of that "righteous" anger is for show, and how much is truly warranted. You're talking about an 18 year old, not a 26 year old.
The shit in the first story is way more widespread than you'd think.
No... We pretty much all know that religious people are pedophiles. It's just as widespread as we think
@@godlygamer911 i dont think he is talking about the religious part but about 18 yr dating 15-16 yr.
@@BioMatic2 SHE WAS 14
thank you so much for pointing out that its not jsut "Weird" or "Gross" or "cringey" ive also ben to thos game shops and one man tried to groom me (i was 17, he thought i was my bros age) AND my step brother (13). ALWAYS TELL ON THOSE OLDER MEN TO SHOP OWNERS OR ANY ADULT. IT DOESNT MATTER IF IT'S "JUST FLIRTING" ITS STILL DISGUSTING AND EVIL.
😯 Crabby is up early, but for a good reason, as shit like this is *NOT* okay, and must be dealt with as soon as it becomes appearant, and the member kicked/booted
I mean....I met my first bf when I was 14, and he was 18. I'm not saying that's ok, but I genuinely didn't even know that was a big deal until I was about 28? It was normal. Most of my friends had boyfriends that were about 4 years older than us or more at the time. This was back in 2005, though, so maybe public knowledge has changed. I can still understand why OP genuinely didn't see anything wrong with that age difference. I didn't understand I was being groomed by an older man at that age for many, many years.
The one time I catch a Critcrab vid early... And it's about nonces
Unsure how to feel about that
I remember critcrab covering the fulred a while ago but the new thoughts and context give it a fresh perspective.
I hope the video wasn't too draining. Let's hope you find less taxing stories .
I'm confused about the first story. Was the dude in question 25 or newly 18? It makes a world of difference in context.
Edit: yeah nevermind...didn't watch up to the guy groping the girl in her sleep.
See kids, this is why you finish a video before commenting 😅
That first fella who groped that chick was a major creep sure and that power gamer was toxic, but you're taking the piss craby bro when it comes to acting like you're disgusted at the thought of a high school freshmen dating a senior. That's a perfectly acceptable healthy relationship age range right there, a large amount of folks even go on to marry folks they get into relationships with at that age soon after. Stop playing up your disgust it's cringe.
that last story sounds familiar...
Seems I'm not the only one then. Could have sworn the last story was covered by someone before...
@@mystery_box1172 critcrab’s definitely already covered it
@@Assasinine huh. Wonder how long ago the first coverage was...
Yeah I’ve definitely heard the last one before and it was crit who covered it but I’m pretty sure he didn’t copy that audio I think he just forgot and covered it again.
_please stop allowing sexual references/behaviour in games that include or can be played by children, it enables the worst kind of person, thankyou_
Only 6 minutes in, but your extra commentary is so good 🤣 OOP is casually excusing grooming, he should get called out!
In my opinion he's a bigger POS than the DM of that story is! He KNEW damn well he should have said something and DIDN'T, he's just as guilty as the DM is of sexual assault!
Can we talk about the teachers-not-reporting-freshman/senior-relationships? I saw the same thing in high school and I have to wonder... why didn't the teachers report it? Obviously a lot of the students didn't understand (we were literal children) but teachers are mandated reporters. They legally have to report illegal or concerning things that their students do/say!
"Even bad D&D is better than none" only works as long as all involved aren't creepy people trying to exploit others. Toxic is toxic.
Also, I'm playing in a one-shot where I'm playing two characters - twins, brother (Psi Warrior Fighter) and sister(War Domain Cleric), telepathic, close but not close like Jamie and Cersei. It's fun as a one shot but not something I'd want to do long term.
Does it ever work? I don't think it does. I'd much rather be doing something else with my time than committing to an at-best _slightly_ enjoyable D&D campaign. Bad D&D is downright _depressing_ to play.
Any D&D that you feel is bad D&D is a huge waste of your time. People should talk it through with the group and see if it can change so _everyone's_ enjoying it. Failing that, if you're still not enjoying it, just stop playing. It really isn't worth the time. The other players will still be able to have fun without you.
If you were playing a ONE-SHOT why the hell were you on here?! PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR FUCKING GAME, THE DM WORKED HARD!!!
The fuck?! No one thought it until you said "close but not close like Jamie and Cersei" but now MANY people are going to think you're lying out your ass about that part because you felt the need to point it out as "not" a thing!
I wasn't posting from the game dude. Chill