Tubeless Amps - BOSS Katana v Fender GTX v Line 6 Catalyst v Fender Tone Master v Orange Super Crush
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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Tubeless amp shootout!! Wanted to checkout the Fender GTX50, BOSS Katana 50 Mk II, Line 6 Catalyst 200, Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb, and Orange Super Super Crush 100 stack up as a tubeless amp option. Explores clean, medium gain and high gain tones for these amps and compares them against a Fender Bassbreaker 15w. Let me know what you think, and thanks for watching!
🎉 Table of Contents
0:00 - Competition Announcement
0:20 - Overview
1:04 - 4 Tubeless Amp Options
3:34 - Amps in this video
4:38 - What we’re going to do
5:43 - GTX50, Katana, Catalyst, Tone Master, Orange clean tone comparison
10:03 - Clean tone reactions
12:22 - Clean tone rankings
13:04 - GTX50, Katana, Catalyst, Tone Master, Orange medium gain comparison
15:30 - Medium gain reactions
19:03 - Medium gain rankings
20:07 - GTX50, Katana, Catalyst, Tone Master, Orange high gain comparison
26:00 - High gain reaction
29:40 - High gain rankings
30:26 - Overall reactions
33:17 - How easy to get a good tone ranking
35:02 - Personal tone preference ranking
36:10 - Versatility ranking
38:18 - Competition reminder & thanks for watching 
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amazing video! I really enjoy your content. I hope your channel continues to grow, it would be well deserved!
finally great videos. Thank you for sharing.
Best of luck towards 1k and thanks for the video!
Thank you! Appreciate it! Thanks for watching too! 🙏
Perfect video man. I’ve been looking for a side to side demo of all of these amps!
Thanks for the kind words! Glad it was helpful! Anything else you’d like to see, let me know!
Been wanting an amp so bad , Thank you for the chance to win a amp giveaway
Glad I found this channel, dig the style, subbed!
Thank you so much for the kind words and subscribing! Let me know if there’s anything particular you’re interested in seeing!
subscriber 995 over here! I bought my super crush after watching your review and I love it. Thanks for the review.
Great video, brochacho! That looked like a lot of work
Thank you. You’re not wrong, but it was fun … in that painful can’t wait until it’s over sort of way. Thanks for checking it out and the comment. ✌️
Thank you for this comparison, idea Fender Tone Master vs Orange Super Crush is awesome. I hope that you will make it, especially how good are as a pedal platform
Great video. I tried all these amps as a pedal platform for my Helix to get some stage / gig volume over using just FRFR or PA /monitor solutions. I went with the Catalyst and really happy with it. The Boutique on the Catalyst gives a great clean to edge of breakup tone and a good foundation for the Helix. That amp model is also very similar to the Helix Litigator which I use as a top 3 amp anyway so it felt familiar and new at the same time. The Tone Master at gig volume with a full band actually felt like it got a little lost in the mix but that is likely user/EQ error and also my preconception and history playing a tube Deluxe so that was an unfair judgement to put on it however they are similar in $ so they kind of put themselves in that space. It is definitely the most similar to a tube amp than any of these options and the most transparent in that comparison. I tried both the Boss and the L6 as a pure power amp and both were similar in terms of SPL, etc. The Boss also felt a little boxed in over the Catalyst. In a band situation with the Catalyst I have my own space carved out with plenty of headroom, a little bass-low that I have to Eq but manageable. Lastly the Catalyst direct out with a 2X12 cab and SM57 or a 121 Ribbon sounds great and is an easy patch path for a DI/snake . I wish there was some tweaking I could do with the DI or even turn off cab modeling so I could just use my Helix but I got around it fine. The Orange is definitely mid heavy and really powerful. Felt great but a lot more $, a great pedal platform but had its sound either you like or don't. It's not as versatile as the other options but like the Tonemaster, had a very traditional and easily tweaked interface.
To record without the built in cabs I just run the fx out into my interface, the only downside is you also lose the built in effect and reverb as well as the cab. Then I just send a completely unaffected single back to the return if I want to also monitor through the amp.
I don't have a helix so I'm not sure about the IO or signal routing options but I'd assume at least the full size ones would be capable of splitting the signal like that, so you'd have a cab and reverb/fx on the helix di and then a parallel signal with nothing to return to the catalyst if you wanted. I agree it would be nice to be able to just have the option to turn them off though.
The new Katana 50s now have both slave stereo, as well as the prior rear jack "power amp in" option.
I've used an Orange OMEC Teleport to blast BiasFx iOS Mobile in stereo thru a pair of Katana 50's.
I highly recommend.
If I had to buy one on the spot if get the Orange since I prefer e the fact that it's solid state, the fact that it's extremely simple without loads of amp models and effect, and for the general high gain metal sound that I like. I was really impressed with the Catalyst and the tone master (both amps i didn't really know or hear before) and with the gtx, which I already knew was a good amp.
I really dig the Orange!
Thank You for playing the Samething on each amp..... Katana or Tonemaster would be my choice for Clean
Cool video. I own the that particular Tone Master. I will say, it is just as versatile as the tube version. It is a pedal platform amplifier. It definitely does that Deluxe Reverb thing. So, what a Deluxe Reverb can do, it can do. It is really an awesome amplifier.
I’m learning all about that right now! It’s been my go to since making the video! Thanks for sharing and watching! Cheers ✌️
To your point about wanting to try the Orange with a pedalboard, the power amp in the SC100 is the Orange Pedal Baby. So the least versatile amp can potentially be one of the most versatile, if you're willing to add a little more gear.
Definitely subbing really like your delivery. Played modeling amps and SS all my life. And honestly this just reinforces to me that Valve aint worth the money. The Katana MK2 wins by mile for me with the catalyst close second, i will say the tibe amp sounded lovely though
despite the out of tune guitar, this was one of the best comparison videos i've seen, you did a great job! Thank you!
This is a good comparison. My 2 pence orange amps defo have their own thing going on so comparing it with anything else is kinda moot. The Fender GTX models Fender amps really well - not a suprise.
I have a 200 watt Line 6 Catalyst I love it and I love the XLR out to the PA I have tried all the solid state Amps Orange they are great but heavy Crate I has a Fender Twin tone Master it wasn't for me I had the Katana they are great Amp and light everyone is selling there Amps and buying Helix pedalborads great video you Rock 😎🎸🤟🎵
The Katana is a 5 channel solid state amp, but it digitally models pedals and effects.
Thank you - sometimes you read something and makes everything come into focus! Katana is a solid state, modeling amp - meaning it emulates multiple sounds but it does it a with “tube logic” analog circuitry. I conflated modeling & digital together but really the categories should be either:
- Digtal vs solid state (in which katana should go in the solid state bucket)
- Modeling vs Single amp (in which katana would be in modeling and maybe tone master should be in the single amp category!)
Fascinating. Nothing like learning on the job. Thanks for letting me know (and not flaming me for the mess up)!
@@dadtimejamtime Modeling vs single amp is mis leading. Modeling Amps can model 1 amp (like the Tone Master series) or they can model multiple different amps (Catalyst and GTX), in analog amps (tube and solid state), where the amp can have either 1 or multiple preamp circuits (referred to as channels).
Most commonly will be a 2 channel amp with a clean channel and a dirty or overdriven channel, in the case of the Katana it is 5 channels (acoustic, clean, crunch, lead and brown) and each of those channels actually have 2 different voicings (tonal variations of the channel circuitry) of each of those channels.
I know this will be confusing to many people as it sounds like and acts like the same thing, especially if you directly compare the Catalyst to the Katana, as you use a know to switch between channels( or amp models on digital amps), the difference is the parts between the knob and the speaker, the Modeling amps essentially use a computer to simulate the circuitry, where as the analog amp is an actual circuit. Think of it like the difference between a EV and a gas engine car, you still have a steering wheel and pedals and wheels and tires on the other end, but the bits in between that make it go work on two different technologies.
And my apologies for not saying this before, thank you for doing this comparison, I have been wanting to compare several of these amps myself (at a guitar shop) and have not had an opportunity to do so.
@@polarkgr1 I hear what you’re saying re: modeling vs multiple preamp circuits. Makes sense - a few google searches and you can see the confusion! BOSS refers to them as amp characters, sweet water calls them amp models, voicings and characters at different points in their listing. People say analog modeling has been around since the 70s etc. but I agree direct comparison with digital modelers really makes it easy to mistake the katana for being digital not analog (and the fact that you can hack it with the sneaky amps hack and get up to 28 different ‘characters’) which is the most important point - it’s all analog (except for the effects). And if you google ‘boss katana channels’ the first snippet says “…katana has 5 channels (models) on a single turn control…) LOL
Lots of jargon here, but i was definitely wrong in thinking the different characters were digital. I really appreciate the comments, thank you for sharing!
@@polarkgr1 thanks for the thanks! I hope the video was helpful. If there’s anything else you’d like to see let me know!
20:30 Enter the Midsommar Festival of Bees!
i own the TM blonde deluxe and i love that amp, at 24 lbs. my back loves it to. and i'm a tube snob. i was Suprise with the Catalyst, i thought it sound pretty good..
Would love to see a pedalboard in front of the Orange, including using the buffered effects loop!
Thanks for sharing - any particular pedals you’d be most interested in hearing through it?
@@dadtimejamtime Plexi style thru the clean channel and then thru the distortion channel edge of breakup. Will the clean channel act as a good pedal platform? How is the buffered loop with delay and reverb etc… Thank you!
New addition - Blackstar Debut 50. Thoughts?
Tone Master comes closest to Fender Bassbreaker which sound best for my taste. Thank you for this comparison!
Thanks for watching and commenting! I love the tone master - been using it quite a bit since this comparison. Planning on sharing how I’m using it in another video at some point!
Cheers ✌️
I don't really understand your ranking on clear tones. Maybe in a room it's different but on RUclips, the Katana sound, is the richest and clearest. The Orange sounds pretty dull... It's true that the tone master is very good! For me the Tonemaster is in front, then I will hesitate between the Katana and the Bassbreaker. Thank you very much for the demo !
I have a catalyst (put an et 65 in it) i like it but not as much as my main amp. I like the orange n may get one as a back up amp though it sits a half inch deaper than my cab
Some of these amps have a HUGE in the room difference. I'm not surprised someone with a tin ear couldn't pick up on it. You know, someone who can't tell when his guitar is out of tune ;)
Lulz - yeah you got me.
For the clean tone I thought they all sounded fine. I thought they all sounded terrible for mid gain. For high gain I thought the tone master sounded best. Still, for me it’s the bassbreaker.
I own the orange and the katana but use an x stomp pedal with my kat which gives me instant access to librarian app without a computer and is a must have.
What would you say sounds better? I'm debating between them both.
@jesseparrish9198 if you want an excellent tone go with orange it does amazing cleans and super heavy high gain with ease.My kat is more of a novelty now.
@@craighambo Good to know! I have the Katana MKII 100 and have been really interested in getting an Orange amp. I really wanted a tube amp, but the Super Crush might be better for me.
@AdADglgmutShevanel I have the 35rt and the sc100 and both are brilliant
I honestly like the catalyst the best overall. The orange is just straight mids
I’ve been using the catalyst a lot actually - it’s a really good clean platform. And I’ve actually been using its power amp in functionality to amplify my quad cortex. Of all of the ones in the video the tone master and catalyst are the ones I’ve used the most and haven’t sold yet.
@dadtimejamtime awesome I just ordered the catalyst can't wait to play w it. I was gonna return my 5150 combo but decided for a cleaner platform
After watching this video, I really don't understand why (with all the respect for BOSS) the Katana is so highly rated and preferred as a modeling amp.
You know, it could be that I’m rubbish at setting it up. But I agree, was not super impressed.
The Katana 100 MKII is a huge difference in tone I’ve heard because it uses a better 12” speaker I’ve heard
I had the same impression trying it out at gc. I couldn't understand thr praise. I wound up getting the gtx as I just love the cleans and having all the effects controllable without having to preset them on a pc in advance.
its because with the tone studio you can make almost sort of tone you could imagine. Whether it is a good tone is up to you and your knowledge of the software and effects. Also the option to easily install thousands of different tones made by people
@@dadtimejamtimeit's cuz u can tweak it on the app or bts I use the head and play low tuned stuff I love it
Your not to dirty yet but the orange and tone master shine so far in getting a sound i expect
Not using the Katana Tone Studio to create the settings on a Katana is really short changing the amp and definately makes your review a little less relevant. The Tone Studio is an important feature. Saying that it was "hard to find the tone that I wanted" when you didn't even try to use one of amps greatest features devalues the review. Still, thanks for the review. I know it isn't easy to put a video like this together and I look forward to more of your videos. Keep it up.
Yah I get that that’s a feature but technically fender and catalyst also have infinite tweaking you could do too. I don’t know what percentage of people actually use tone studio or companion apps, but I bet it’s less than 100% - which means if you’re buying just to use the tones coming out of the amps stock, this starts to get at a comparison. I’m just a hobby player like a lot of people thinking about buying new gear that they see in videos online and I feel this is an honest look at how an average player might try to get tones out of these.
You realize that it is possible to play an entire gig without switching channels? After all that's what we did with the early NMV Marshalls. Good enough for a lot of guitarists to chase after that very sound 50 years later. Perhaps we are looking too hard and missing the obvious. I have to say that your dissection of the sounds being produced is quite eccentric - I'm not criticizing but listen again to your recording from 20:00 .
Good luck for the future, best, Pete.
Thanks for the feedback and the well wishes.
This would be a good video to update with the release of the Blackstar Debut 50r. It's not a modeling amp, looks to be a good amp that does a few things really well.
i would love to see this
The Tone master is like 3x as expensive as some of the other amps lmao
Fair enough! This covers the range from $250 to $1000 in the following order from highest to lowest:
1. Tone master: $1000
2. Orange super crush: $650-700
3. Catalyst 200w: $400-500
4. Fender GTX 50: $350
5. Katana 50 mk ii: $250
So actually tone master is 4x katana, ~3x fender, ~2x catalyst & ~1.5x the orange…
Pretty even spread across some of the most popular non-tube options out there at different price points.
Katana plz! I’ll buy it new player
Katana, you HAVE to use the App to throw a global High and low cut. Also, imho, with the Katana or Catalyst, the best tone doesn't always match the amp Model name. For instance, on the Katana, the best crunch, low gain crunch isn't necessarily found on the Crunch channel. Best Clean on the Catalyst, imho is not the Clean Amp model. And oddly, you never rank the Orange high on Clean, low, high gain, but then it #2 overall?
To me, the bass breaker and the catalyst sounded the best. The others were quite strident actually, and my God the Katana was hideous
8 have watched tons of videos on the Mustang gtx and none of them make it sound as bad as this video. I uave one on the way and 8f it sounds anything like it does here it is going straight back.
That’s good news! Hope you enjoy it. Clean sounds are great 👍
I go for Fender 👍😊
Katana is not a modeling amp. Gain stages are analog solid-state. Only effects (including stompboxes) are digital.
I can't believe how bad the Fender GTX sounds. The clean was ok but everything else is just awful. God only knows what they referenced for tone when modelling the gain and drives!!
The Bass breaker sounded really good, All the rest sounded like crap, and I mean not even one of them came close to sounding good. No need to argue about which one of them sounded the best...... because they all sounded terrible. I would give the Bass breaker an 8 out of ten overall and there was not one of the solid-state amps that would have scored higher than a 3.
Tube snob. I suspect if this had been a blind test you would not have known these were solid state amps.
Dear god that GTX50 sounds abhorrent.
Out of all these katana hands down the best
Pink strat?
kill me
Death of preference?
... well
i tell you what i did liked the Neck of it
and the some of the Amps
sorry if i am a little bit too much of stealthy Black SG freak yah know?