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If anyone is interested; you can change the amp settings or pedal settings using the physical knobs on the board rather than the touch screen.
Dear Fender, if you reading this. I really appreciate you don't push youtubers to say how you new gear is so awesome and you can't tell the difference, etc. Just wanted to say - i absolutely adore that clean Fender sound and this box you've come up with is doing it so good, and it's one of the most beautiful things in the world. And as i still can't get enough of my Mustang V2, i'll definitely get myself a ToneMaster when i'll have a chance. Love you, guys. And absolutely love your beautiful playing, Matthew.
This is a great comment and very True! Love it!
I bought it and i have to say, it's the greatest and most comfortable and best sounding unit I've ever played, period.
FYI fender didn’t read this
It's actually surprising fender would send it to Mr. Scott, who is a vintage purist. Then again, I suppose if you can convince him, you can convince others?
That was my first thought.
Blimey that was brave Fender
He has a huge audience, not surprising at all. $$$
I think Matthew is one of perfect players on RUclips to demonstrate this piece of gear against the real deal vintage stuff.
Smart to send it to someone who has a good channel, plays like a monster and doesn’t use this type of gear. I can’t play anything like him but I’m pretty clueless to modelers and all the digital do dads. I have an HX Stomp and don’t enjoy navigating the menus. Smart of Fender. Bummer it’s priced where it is even if it is comparable to other similar products at this price point.
The people at Fender seem pretty cool and are trying to keep the history while moving into the future. I appreciate the opportunity to try this new stuff despite my dead pan delivery, it was pretty fun.
I wish you would have hooked it up to the matching powered speaker and just loaded an amp with no effects to dial in, more similar to the real thing and move some air
I have a fractal and there’s a serious learning curve and it’s crazy expensive. This looks a lot more user friendly which is really nice.
Easiest interface I ever worked …very like the Quad, which I also have.
How expensive is the Fractal. This fender one is pretty expensive too isn't it?
@@uncoiledfish2561 about $1800 with shipping. Plus, you’re going to need to buy the cooper carter 15 hour classes which was another couple hundred bucks.
@@THINJIMI congratulations. Last time I used digital was 30 years ago. They’re still garbage though. I don’t care what anyone says, they still sound processed. Even with the frfr the shit will never sound 100%. In a band setting it’s less noticeable but I just can’t get into it. Nothing beats tubes and pedals. Simplicity wins. If an amp goes down I’ve got parts and spare amps. Sure they’re heavier but that’s rock n roll. I want to see big amps on stage.
@@bryanp8010 - Kemper is the king of tone for modelers in my opinion. I am currently using the Two Notes Opus for my basic tone and whatever effects pedals suit me that day! The Two Notes Opus is the best amp in a box ever made…IMO…
I was a long time denigrator of digital amplification (digital effects were okay). But about a year ago I decided to explore amp modelling. Here’s what I did: First I went the cheapest route, because I was sceptical of why most of the popular modellers are so expensive. People crap on the Zoom products, but I’ve done extensive comparisons, and believe me, $1500 amp modellers *really* don’t sound much better than the Zoom MS50. They all sound digital (fizzy/sizzley on top). They all have that sound of a miked or recorded amp that you’re listening to on a monitor rather than an amp in the room with you. So, given that, it’s ridiculous that people will go for the most expensive options out there. The key thing I have found is that you have to forget about the presets. They are all going for a fully produced sound, like on a recording. Instead go straight to a basic amp with No effects, and start building a sound from there. Next, keep the gain down. What I’ve found is that most of the amp models can sound decent to quite good, at clean to edge of breakup tone. The more dirty you try to get them, the more they sound fizzy and digital in the treble, and the more you have to struggle with EQing to try to get them sounding decent. My current digital model of choice lately is a Brownface Vibroverb in the Zoom. Again, set to edge of breakup, with a bit of subtle room reverb behind it, is a great base tone. Adding a moderate spring reverb in front and/or a very subtle slapback (with a dark repeat) thickens the sound nicely. A mild clean boost adds a nice articulate bite without it sounding fizzy. I think why the sound of most of these modellers fails, is user error. You got all these options built into a unit, and the temptation is to push it over the top, but subtlety is the key. Btw, I never use the overdrive or distortion pedals in the unit. Those are totally the weakest link. Alternatively, and surprisingly, some of the best effects in it are some of the ones most pedal companies fail at doing well - the Rotary speaker effect and Univibe are remarkably good, especially when you consider that each effect in the unit works out to cost about $1, and there are really bad Rotary and Univibe pedals out there that cost hundreds. Also, the Tape echos are quite good. Another thing I think people don’t think about is that if you have some issues with some tones of some effects, you can stack graphic or parametric EQs and/or compressors before or after in the chain, and tweak 90% of issues away, easily.
nothing makes up for the glorious smell of ozone from tubes in their glory but that being said, i have a super reverb tonemaster that i like very much, especially every time i have to pick it up
The pedal buttons are also enabled as knobs for the amps and effects. Maybe try running through the amp cab they sent along with the modeler box. Is this thing the equivalent of a tube amp? YMMV...
First thing you really want to do with ANY MODLER,,,GO THRU ALL OF THE FACTORY PRESETS,,,THIS TELLS YOU EVERYTHING,,, I did this on the FM3 ,,,,it takes a while to go thru all of them . Its worth it.
It would be interesting you try disabling the CAB emulation then connect it into some power amp and then into real guitar cabs.
To me what you suggested is a must! Prior to forming a conclusion! Give the thing a fair chance!!
You can do that but also use the special cabs to color the tone a certain way, I used to switch thru cabs. 8 inch speakers/ 4x12's, 2 x 12's, 1x15, and feed it thru a Neutral clean on a Vox Ac 30, it would show the True Color of whatever you selected, and now these units have movable mics to cones, and different mics. it is really astounding the Tech. today. But for a old Purest, it has to go thru an old style amp. I still use my Vox Tonelab SE, unit for this. A plexi sounds just like a plexi, I used to own a Twin Reverb it is just like that Amp. Really Remarkable and at a Volume level you can tolerate, feedback even, makes a hollow body Howl, at a conversation level. Just Phenomenal. Wait til John Cordy posts his Review, he will have it Screaming. Leon Todd did a great review of this unit. Now that being said the success or failure of this unit is up to FENDER. With frequent updates and more Amp. it may Grow quickly. if they ignore it, well at 1600 dollars it will die on the tree.
@@ksharpe10One of my favorite setups is an Orange Micro Dark going through a Vox 1x10 cabinet. The Vox was a modeling combo that one of my best friends used for years. It decided to stop functioning one day so he took out the guts and turned it into a nice cabinet for me. He didn't bother fixing it for himself because he had just bought a very nice Paul Ruby amp. My ex-wife, about a year after our divorce surprised me with the Micro Dark because I had to sell my very first Orange amp so we could pay our bills because we had both been layed off and I wasn't letting us go homeless. I cried like a little girl on my way home from her house after she surprised me with the Micro Dark. I sold my first Orange amp nearly 20 years ago. I had no idea that she even remembered me having
to sell it but she did! Sorry for the Ted Talk but I hope you enjoyed it lol
I'd like to see the Super Reverb played through the supplied 1x12 cab
Just to see how realistic it is when pushing air at volume
Playing direct into a desk is always a bit lacking for me
I think one of the best recommendations for the Tonemaster may be Matthew’s surprised, pleased look when he first hits a lick on it.
So glad your releasing an album. Just bought a copy. Really looking forward to giving it a listen.
It'll be a miracle if their quality assurance teams can make sure these are flawless before they leave.
Your amps A+++ this is a C+. Lacks dynamics, dimension, silk, warmth, and inspiration
Matthew I've been listening to your record non-stop since it came out, thanks for rocking out!
Loved how you used the metronome! Every great guitarist uses one! Music, life and the universe is based on time!
I just saw this thing the other day. I was wondering about it . Thank you for doing a review. The riffs are awesome too.
I tend to use units like this (Line 6 for me) running with Speaker Cab simulation switched off into the FX loop return of a real Amp and Cab with proper guitar speaker or Power amp and Cab, again with a proper speaker for ultimate convincing results.
Enjoyed this video, well articulated and honest opinion.
Knowing your dedication for old Fender amps and instruments, this was always going to be an interesting perspective. I will now watch the vid.
I'm looking forward to your album release. Yup, the modeling world is a whole new animal. It usually takes some tweaking to get close to the real amp sounds. Hundreds of rigs and portability at your fingertips for few dollars has its appeal. Thank you, Matthew.
I played a tone master delux reverb and a super reverb at GC they sounded great. I bought the tone master pro for the price of rhese two amps plus the tone naster twin reverb and all the other features.
They've got a long road to catch up with Line 6 who've been in the modeling game for a very long time.
For a touring musician who is at the mercy of the back line supplied in a rider, such modelling amps can be a true lifesaver. Even just running this into the EFX return of a JC-120 with all the IRs turned off can net one a very respectable tone. I'm old enough to have used a POD 2.0 into back line amps back in the day. Nobody in the audience had a clue.
agree 100% running any of the top-brand modelers into a power amp or Return section of an existing amp really is the best way to use them. normal cab/speakers and flexibility equals a powerful scenario
@@iwillnevergetone5 Totally. Into a tube power section pushed a bit, even better still.
Fender really wants this bad boy to win out. Send it to the arch Fender enthusiast. Glad to see you could give the most objective possible review.
This was just as painful for me to watch as it was for him to play through the damn thing 🤣. Im glad he is so damn honest.
I kinda like it, I'm all about real tubes, but I guess it sounds ok through my 1/4 inch cell phone speaker.😂 I'm going to check one out. Thanks for the video.
Haven't watched for a while Matthew - youv'e been practicing... Sounds good man.
Two observations; first, on a positive note, for us amateurs banging away at home, it is great to get 'vintage' sounds at levels that won't get you divorced/the kids crying/the neighbors calling the cops. I have several amps supposedly can be played at 'bedroom level' - a Vox AC10 for example, or a Fender Champ - but neither can be really played at bedroom level where I'm at. But - particularly with the Vox - what you (Matthew) say about 'something about a tube amp' is absolutely correct. There is a luxurious groin-shrinking ecstasy about hearing/feeling your guitar through a cranked tube amp that doesn't seem to be capable of being matched by modelers. However 'people like me' rarely get that opportunity, so some form of modeler is a god-send. Second observation; I bought a Marshall Code 25 some time back. Like your Fender, it has loads of choices (100 out of the box) and effects and overlays, and you can download more and and and....I think it makes coffee and gives head but I might be wrong. It was way too much - I spent all the time fiddling dials, looking for tones, and neglecting the tones I could get from my fingers. I then bought a Yamaha THR10 (shock/philistine) with four presets (5 really but one says "special", I'm not so I ignore it). I NEVER use anything at home except those four presets, and have the best time exploring an extremely large tonal world with those settings and the knobs on my guitar. Less is not necessarily more, but more is very often too much. Sorry for the long post, and thanks as always Matthew - great channel, great guitar playing, looking forward to the album.
So, if you young guitarists don’t get what he’s saying regarding the interaction between guitar and tube amp, go to the guitar store and ask for an amp room you can crank up in and grab a hollow body electric like a Gretsch 6120 or Gibson ES-330 (but NOT a semi-hollow body) and crank the amp up to where the pickup begins to feedback WITHOUT any input. Then, back off the amp volume slightly to where that non-input feedback stops. Then play your normal warmup licks and feel the slight feedback in your chest and in your fingers and how you sometimes reach down for the guitar volume to control unwanted feedback. THIS is the feeling you get with a solid body guitar and a cranked stage volume amp that makes the lead tone so rich. Now, amp attenuation can help the tone improve by driving the tubes into sag and compression without blowing your ears out. However, attenuation can also limit the feedback interaction feeling you experienced with the hollow body at the guitar store. As a guitarist for 50 years now, NOTHING comes close to a real tube amp at stage volume where that interaction is happening. A really good example of pros who master this guitar/amp feedback interaction would be Brian Setzer, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Hendrix, Larry Carlton, EVH, etc. An exaggerated example would be Ted Nugent who uses volume and feedback as an integral part of his technique. He’s not my favorite player but he does master that feedback interaction…until he loses control of it (LOL)! You don’t have to be a HUGE volume player to get a massive boost in tone but you do need enough volume to drive the interaction. Setzer is a great example. Carlton is a great example…Just enough volume to get that beginning stage of feedback interaction! Try it! Until you do, there’s a whole world of tone and feel you are missing out on in your guitar playing journey!… and all the fancy computerized guitar processing units in the world can NEVER achieve this despite how convenient they may be. I did a side job for about a year with an Axe-FX II & foot switch with a stereo Freyette 2/90/2 into 2 Marshall 4x12 spread as stereo stage monitors and running stereo output to the FOH. For convenience sake, it was very easy to setup and never needed maintenance over a 13 month regional tour. This Fender floor processing unit would be very similar to that setup - so there’s nothing wrong with gigging with it per se.
That Super model sounds pretty GD good on this end!!!!
Haha the enthusiasm is on another level in this video 😂
i just love fender for going that way. vintage amps are antiquities, parts are rare and the tech is just too old, maintenance is too expensive. i enjoy matthew doing his vintage thing, but i'd never be able to experience it for myself. Even if i could afford at least a reissue, i'm not able to play in a loud environment, wich makes this whole thing pointless. The whole modelling tech might be not the 100% rock'n'roll experience, but it gives us "bedroom musicians" the opportunity to discover this whole amp territory and this is great.
HOLY SHIT BATMAN!!! A 1000 watt amp? Isnt that like....MEGA loud?
Finally no longer having to get up to open the windows 😂
I own a Kemper and agree that it's missing that real-time relationship between the guitar and a tube amp.
Never thought I'd see the day! Mr Vintage does digital. But, I have to say, the look on your face says it all. You can't fake and honest response.
Maybe it serves some folks but in my experience when you plug into an old Fender, there is a magic there that you never have to try to make it sound good. It just does. At $1700 + $500 for the speaker, Id pick up an old silverface amp. It will appreciate with time and wont become obsolete in a few years. Just my 2 cents
You playing the evh amp is the first time I’ve seen you make guitar faces haha could tell you were having fun stepping out of your zone on that one.
I would expect that those who are deep into vintage amps/gear are going to go kicking and screaming into the digital world. However, to the average spectator in your audience or listener to your albums, they cannot tell the difference between a vintage tube amp, a new amp, a plug-in or a modeler like this. This makes it so much easier to gig or to record at home/anywhere with power. This is a really cool product from Fender and definitely already has Neural DSP shaking in their boots as they literally announced a PRICE DECREASE on the Quad Cortex on the day this was released by Fender - and the price was reduced suspiciously to exactly the same price as the Fender unit. 🤣
You are right,,, but I play live because I enjoy it. Tube amps are part of that total experience for me. A guitar player chooses his/her gear to please themselves.
Sure@@sccloser ...I get that. I think for the most part this is the feeling of an older generation and people like Matthew who just have a thing for the vintage gear, and that is cool. I do believe digital is taking over and will dominate in the studio and on the stage in not too long. There are a lot of big bands (and older ones like Metallica as well) that have taken amps out of their live rigs for the most part.
@@sccloserdamn right...the audience might not be able to tell the difference in gear, but if the player just ain't feeling it, that much the audience can pick up on...if you need a tube amp to feel inspired, f*ck that soundman trying to make it easier on themself
You’re right. I’ll go further. No one cares about tone except the player. I mean…in the extreme , sure, even the moms and grandpas at your farmers market will CLEARLY know if you’re ripping a metal amp over folkies music. Obviously. That’s just poor taste and delusion.
But
People listen with their eyes. Give a great guitarist who can entertain a crowd, or…just sit back and play their part…some little amp like a line 6 spyder ($99 used?), it’s fine. No. One. Cares.
Gear has gotten in the way of musicianship.
For pete’s sake the last time I played in an orchestra pit NO AMPS allowed. Plug into a DI box to the board. I begged to use an amp. Hell no. It will just screw stuff up.
Guitar -> DI -> Board -> audience for a musical
Excellent paying gig, wonderful show, led to more gigs.
No one cares about an amp.
As a matter of fact, roll into a club / small gig with 2x12 or 4x12 and…yeah - I bet the soundguy will care 😆
But yet we all sit here and salivate over this gear like it matters.
@@jasondorsey7110but the soundguy will get blamed if your band sounds like sh*t.
So what is it?
F*ck the soundguy and f*ck your band and give your audience a crappy, loud, poorly mixed show? Or, do what’s right for the band, gig and audience with good, balanced sound?
We all think we’re “fooling” the soundguy or saying f*ck the soundguy but yet we’ll go ahead and blame him for a bad mix 😂 🤦♂️
Well, part way through the video and I'm thinking it sounds great! Way cheaper than buying a lot of old amps. Great video!
Have you ever played through the Rivera era twin reverb 2 or deluxe reverb 2 fender only built them for 3 yrs. They have all the mods that Rivera did on fender amps in the 70s . They rock and I really prefer the twin 2 it is a 100 watt amp. It can do some amazing things. I run it through a 2 × 12 cab. Loaded with EV classic 12s. You should check them out.
Great amps. The best Fender have made since the 60s.
Nice one Matthew. Shame you didn’t get the chance to try it in the room with the powered cab and A/B it with your own amps. I’ve been a big Deluxe Reverb fan for years (especially the fantastic early 80s Rivera design ones) but bought a Tone Master Deluxe four years ago to save my back and arthritic knees. Ive gigged nothing else since and really love it. It’s not 100% accurate, but it’s close enough on a gig and the power attenuation is a real boon in smaller venues.
an honest review well done
Even though Fender may never send you any more freebies, your fantastic solo playing and knowledge will keep us mortals following you!!!!!
Test number 1> it´'s funny, guys. But not for me.
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Test number 100 > it´'s funny, guys. But not for me.
You are right, Matthew. Not for me neither.
Wow, Fender have really been inspired by the Neural DSP Quad Cortex.
Great video... 👍
I've kind of come to the conclusion that when I play out, people either don't care about my sound as much as I do, or IF they do, they are now conditioned to a different sound from new music AND new ways of listening to music. So I'm going to try playing a lot of shows with modeling in 2024 (as and experiment), and just enjoy my amazing tube amps at home.
Even through my iPad it doesn’t sound as good. Might be useful as a tool for choosing which amp might be right for you before laying down big bucks on the real thing - might save a lot of time searching for “that” tone also.
These are fun to play around with but I always feel very disconnected with modelers.
Man, you were all over the place! Pick an amp and play it, clean,dry, flat, EQ’d, with effects,etc.
I think this is some great stuff, if you’re a traveling guy, you might look into something like this.
For someone who will never own a vintage amp most likely and doesn't want to spend 1000's on pedals anymore, this thing works for muah.
I think you scraped the surface of what tones that thing can make. Including cabinets and microphone positioning you didn’t adjust. I get the OG vintage appeal, but I think there is some hipster psychology going on with a lot of guitarists.
1800 $ ? Cmon!
Agree with scottbrown. Try though the amp and see how it responds live with the guitar. At the very least it will be interesting.
I think if you only tried it with headphones it’s gonna be a different experience than if you used the FRFR speaker. For me digital gets more real when I start moving air. Turn up the volume on that speaker amp and ditch the headphones. That said nothing is gonna sound like a cranked super reverb but a super reverb. But moving air will bring back some of the touch dynamics you said you were missing.
100% - I’ve never used any amp that sounded good through headphones
Now The Edge can save tonnes of fuel for hauling around his big ol rack! lol
I think most guitarists forget one thing- it really doesn’t matter what you’re hearing, it’s what your audience hears. 99.99% of the people you play for never hear all those little “nuances” from the old tube amps. I feel the same way about guitars. Most people can’t tell the difference in a Mexican Strat and a Custom Shop. It’s more the player than the equipment. I used to play a lot of pool. You could hand a pretty good player a $50,000 custom cue and a pro could beat them with a broom handle.
💯 A lot of what people talk about with modelers and such is *feel* more than *tone.* There is still some work to be done with modeling when it comes to feel, but I can tell you that these TM Pro models are almost indistinguishable from the amps they are modeled after. I shouldn't really say how I know, but I do. I mean, I know all too well how picky the product/marketing guys are at Fender. Just trust this rando on the Internet. :)
Another thing that comes to mind is that Pete Anderson who played with Dwight Yoakam and others has been using modelers since the 90s. Who hears lead guitar on a Dwight song, and thinks, "Oh, yeah, that's a modeler?" NOBODY. And that was Gen-1 Line 6 stuff, which wasn't that great to play.
great input and review from a very knowledgeable and great guitarist. i noodle on my teles strat or what ev on my reissue twin and i LOVE how the harmonics do resonate... so cool... but the electronics have their place, i just AINT sure where datis!!! Great video
I was surprised this thing sounds as good as it does. There will never be a modeler that will full replicate the sound of a tube amp. It's just not possible., But to be able to walk in a gig with a guitar and this and thats it is the tradeoff. There was I time I was hauling around a 65 Princeton and that got old real fast. Made me not even want to do some gigs because i didn't want to have to deal with it. From that to something like this is crazy.
A pedal board that performs much like the Fender Cyber Twin (hybrid tubes solid state) Nice products but no Blue Ribbon.
Sounds like they just re-released the Mustang floor unit, and jacked the price up 10X.
Added some fancy touch screen stuff, (wait 'till you are sweaty, in the dark, with people pouring beer on your head and have to adjust it, lol)-but it sounds the same to me.
I have 3 of them, 1 floor unit and 2 of the powered ones (including the fake carbon fiber one)-paid 200 bucks each for them, NEW, from the local Fender dealer.
This one has much better inputs and outputs, but the club "sound person" is going to go postal if you try to run all of that into them/they/(insert preferred pronoun here)snake box.
So you still need some kind of noise generating device so you can hear it. Unless it's YOUR PA, then you can leave all the heavy tube amp stuff at home-you can tell the difference, but the audience doesn't know the difference between a JC 120 and a JTM 45, trust me.
The main thing that sold me on the Fender modeler was when you change presets, it DOESN'T cut off the reverb/delay/whatever trail, so it was useable.
If you can afford this one, buy it-if not, hunt down the Mustang floor unit, it's beer proof, stage jumper proof, and while a bit more primitive in adjustment, sounds the same.
And it's 10X cheaper.
Thanks Matt. Cool product. Keep on Rocking ✌️
Sounds great here but not so hot on Rhett Shull's channel. I guess it matters what you have it plugged into.
I'd be curious to see what he thinks of capture tech. Modeling is really crappy in my opinion. I had the same issues with the hx stomp. This modeler seems particularly crappy.
Young man you can play😮
Short but very revealing review. I have heard you play real vintage gear creating such a beatiful sounds that I was not surprised that a digital modeller could not generate as impressive sounds just like that. Maybe after some tweaking...
Things like spring reverb tank and all other touch responsive devices, even BBD choruses, I have noticed, still seem to be quite a challenge to nail in modelling amps.
You could have ran it through a speaker and recorded it with a mic as you would with a tube amp, maybe then it would have sound more like a real tube amp.
This would be great in the studio but i would def get laughed at if i pull that out on stage
I agree, good for " If you're just a kid in your bedroom, or whatever." Many players probably fit this category; however, Fender lists the Tone Master Pro Bundle, with speaker and wha pedal, at $2424.98. Mom and Dad better dig deep.
W0W! That's a lot!
@@aquilarossa5191 I like your positive outlook! ". I am hoping it with result in another era of great guitar music and timeless records etc." Fingers Crossed!
I would be happy with just one Fender vintage amp in a box.
This video earned Mr. Scott my subscription. I think the new Tone Master system is incredible but I appreciate an honest review. I have several Fender guitars including a new Custom Shop '59 Tele. Im thinking of buying the Tone Master for studio use...I would only use 5% of it for live use with my band. Live, less is more. Still, I think the Tone Master is a beautiful system and Im looking forward to more of this kind of technology from Fender.
Finally, an honest review
Nothing beats the the old gear
How about Gibson sending Matthew Something? The old Gibson gold top Matthew has is still in my opinion one the best sounding P90 guitars I have ever heard better sounding than any Fender in his collection sorry Fender this effects modeller sounds digital like the pedal it is, it will never replace a real Vintage Fender amp, I think this is targeting kids or people on low budgets definitely a good entry level product if priced right. It’s a bit of a novelty in my opinion that just doesn’t have that Mojo baby! As Austin Powers Says
I must have missed it- what is the output going to- mixer/amp??
Inspiring content, your playing sounds so Clapton and srv esque which is rare for guitarists now. Thanks for keeping great music alive. Can’t wait for the album.
Sounds good enough in my phone, which is all that matteres these days
I wonder if o e day fender will do a digital SRV modded vibroverb. 83 era
very cool big boy toy! i hate being poor.
Ok, that's a fair argument. But you recognize that that's a feel thing. The listeners don't have any idea. Its more about you as a player reacting to the physics of the gear.
It sounds like Logic's stock amp sims.
Is this worth $1700? I would have to hear it in person, not through headphones, and with a power amp and speakers.
I would think it would sound better with a power amp speakers, but thats another grand?
I think for almost $3000 I'll just take a tube amp and call it good!
This guy's playing gets better every video. You can really see his practice routine come through in this one 🤟. Tip for the players: don't start your guitar life off with pure practice routines; learn enough to play and create an ear and feel for what you love (this will help you develop your own style of playing and integrate your influences as a player as well) fact: you will get lovesick and wont be able to put your guitar down instead your guitar turing into a frustration punching bag. only then you'll know exactly what you need to practice to become the player. I know I sound like I'm fantasizing but its true. Let's see if Scott agrees
I agree!
Very true. Been playing about 4-5 years. Just been learning theory and playing what I want and I know exactly what I need to learn to sound how I want. Definitely has made me a better player. Don't understand how players can't play every day
Love your honesty, I feel the same way, as cool as some of these modelers are once you plug into a tube amp and feel the punch in your chest nothing will every compare.🤘😎🎸🏍
It's not the amp. What sucks the life out of modellers is that people tend to play them with cab simulation on and through a monitor; if you played a real amp that way it'd be horribly unsatisfying too (and I've done it; it's no fun at all).
I have a Kemper, and I turn the cabsim off and run it into a poweramp and out of a 2x12 cab, and it's a completely indistinguishable experience from playing a real amp. The physicality of playing guitar comes from what the speaker and the cab resonance is doing; whether it's a modeller or tube amp is irrelevant (as long as the modeller is good, and the technology is absolutely good enough these days).
I need to try it through a cab before making a judgement. Unfortunately, my inexperience in modelers and new technology really shows!
There's a gigging trade off. Tubes break & tube amps weigh considerably more than digital amps. I'll personally take the trade off in tonal purity (a thing that's already going to be seriously compromised by 9/10 venues anyway) for the lighter load in & the security of knowing i'm not gonna blow my tubes just to entertain 6 random wednesday night drunks at the local pub (who honestly can't tell the difference anyway).
@@strangebirdfilms yep , thats the issue with us guitarist/purist , we care about all those nuances in the sound , but if you play in a blues / rock cover band doing pubgigs none of the people in the audience will care about all that shit , as we all know . But still the purist inside you wants that certain sound , its a bit off a paradox i guess , i went for an tonemaster dr so i still have that idea i am playing through an "real amp " , i did put another speaker in it ( Jupiter 12LC ) and have done the firmware upgrade and i must confess its really close to the tubesound , but these modelers do not appeal to me and cost wise this solution ( modeler and frfr ) is way more expensive , for that kind off money you can almost by an handwired fender dr tubeamp , i would never buy one of there re issue or hot rod amps because of there flimsy construction though .
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The youngest old soul with a strat... great review.
Your a young man who is not dazzled by todays tech You prefer old vintage stuff over new which I think is awesome But it is a tool and I hope that you find things on it bring a new nuance to your sound
Just about the response I expected from you, lol, I mean I love your playing, gear demos, guitar repairs, etc, and I don't think any vintage gear heads will ever really be converted over into the digital world, but its honestly some of the most amazing and accessible tones for brokies like me, being able to get tones out of Helix Native, or Neural DSP for $150 that otherwise would cost me $5500 and require me to have a whole house/studio dedicated to playing loud ass amps which is just not possible, hearing the tones out of this thing made me excited and happy about the future of modelers the tones sounded beautiful same as your playing, and I assume most of what you have a problem with is that feeling of playing loud with goosebumps and feedback, but I would challenge you to play this modeler as a preamp into the power section of one of you favorite amps and cabinet, then use only effects from it on the front end, overdrive etc, and crank it just like you would a normal head. I bet you'd be surprised. also, the stomp switches are all knobs so you don't have to drag on the touch screen. much love man, keep on creating!
The UA Dream seems to have accomplished this. There are blind tests against real BFDRs and players are thoroughly fooled by it. I haven't experienced one and I agree all my other modeling attempts have fallen flat (I own 2 drip-edge Fenders, '69 PR and '68 Champ), but it definitely has converted some.
The tones were pretty cool overall despite my inability to really deep dive into this thing.
@@brandall101 why be converted if you have the real deal and are not too weak to carry your amps?
Matthew, thanks for that review! I am coming from the same place you are, the joy of playing real amps. But I live in an apartment, would like to make demo recordings quietly here, so I look at modeling gear every once in a while. I haven’t been able to get sounds I like out of the older Line 6 stuff I tried. The intuitive usability of this one has me interested. I really appreciated hearing you strip down some of the presets, and play just the Super Reverb amp model. Like you said, it sounds cool but at the same time . . . It’s a different thing. Like you also said, for a different world. Best discovery was you and your playing, though. Headed over to check your web site now. Congrats on the new album!
@@mohamedtlass3842 Because they're expensive and rare vs. a $400 pedal and some means of amplification that could simply be BOH - the reasons why anyone considers modelers, really. I in particular considering one as I've been traveling for the past year and have most of my things in storage.
I've gotten into modelers over the last year and a half or so (HX family) and they're really fun for getting lots of tones if you don't have a 'base sound' from your rig. They sound great and I've gotten rid of some pedals and a few amps, but when I switch back to my 2 Fenders, I think "oh yeah, there it is." Modelers are great if you're using a backline - go for a clean tone at acceptable stage volume and just use the modeler as the preamp. Tube amps will always have their place imho
Yep. Real tube amps have "it"... and solid state still never does. But you are right. It's useful for work.
yo Matthew, to your point about moving air through speakers- every modeler sounds & feels better (and closer to what we're used to) when you plug it into a power amp and through your traditional cabinet that you're already used to playing (not FRFR, that's wack). then you're moving air and have whatever flexibility the modeler gives you. it's best of both worlds i highly recommend playing it that way
Thanks for educating me. I think I need to give that a try before I can make an opinion. But what do you mean by FRFR?
@@MatthewScottmusic Look that one up, from what I have heard and read, they are a more PA type speaker platform. I feed my old Vox Tonelab SE thru the front of my Vox AC30 and it is just like Whatever amp you select, the key is to put your actual amp at a real Clean Neutral Setting. And use the Tube amp. volume knob to give you what is comfortable to YOU. You must like Really High Volume. I use mine at lower Talking volumes and it sounds like a Marshall Stack turned way down. It really does WORK, the Fender unit has the best interface I have seen yet, several ways to dial in FAST. And on a Gig that Counts, and what it shows on a Computer Screen is also the Same as the unit only Bigger. Tech. is just phenomenal these days. You can make a guitar feedback and have overtones and all that playing the Amp. and the Guitar too. It DOES WORK.
@@MatthewScottmusic FRFR is Full Range Flat Response. it's essentially the same EQ curve as a PA speaker, so it's presenting MANY more frequencies than our traditional guitar speakers (eminence/celestion/etc) are pushing out. that's where the cab sims come in- they put back that guitar-centric curve so it sounds familiar. but's still very different (and not my preference) -
so that's why i always recommend people just use your existing cabinet (since you already like it and are used to the sound/tone/EQ it puts out). so that's one more familiar part of the equation and you only have to learn 1 new piece (the modeler) instead of 2 new pieces (modeler and FRFR cabinet). basically, I run my modeler (Fractal FM9) through a power amp like a Fryette or Duncan PS into my normal marshal cabs and trust me it sounds killer and exactly like what we expect from big loud rock guitar. the cool part is if you want to expand and try out new sounds that might not have been possible with our traditional gear, you can also do that with these current modelers using expression pedals assigned to things like delay/verb/panning. I also play/sing in my trio and it's been fun working those options into a traditional guitar trio scenario.
I also play 40 year old fender amps and oranges so i'm not on one team over the other. at this point in 2023, both traditional tube amps AND modelers are all cool and fun. they all inspire us to keep playing guitar which is where the important part is :)
lemme know if you have more questions about deep diving into modelers and/or combining them with normal cabinets. i'm using both in live scenarios. happy to share what i've learned or add clarity to any aspect of this side of gear
It may not replicate a tube Fender amp, but it sounds excellent. I’m pretty picky and a bit of a tube snob too. This modeler is top notch.
Side note, your The Edge playing, while obvious that your not a player of his music, sounded actually pretty cool. You added some 60s vibe along with open string playing, something Edge could build off for a song.
I'm impressed that they managed to faithfully capture the sound of a rubbing voice coil with the speaker sim.
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Thank you Scott for this honest review... Very pleasant to hear a guy like you demoing that gear, with no commercial pressure and going straight to the point !
Thanks for the entertaining assessment however at $1700 I think I'll stick with pedals and my Champion 600.
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I don't like it. It didn't sound "tubie" at all and I don't think it did anything for your sound. Your amps are the "real deal".
I’d love to see you jump into a Fractal. I don’t hate fender or anything as all my electrics are fender and I model fender amps. I’m impressed with the tonemaster amps themselves, not the GTX though. I think this thing will have a purpose, and it could be your lack of experience with it, but this doesn’t nail fender amps the way Fractal or Helix does from my ear (considering your recording software as well). Fractal is no doubt the juggernaut of the modeling nailing the right feel, I’d love to see you play one.
Great balance in your review. Thank you, Matthew.
Maybe if you put your green pedal in the front you get much closer??? would enhance dynamics and non linearities
Wow. $2k. I mean. Is it THAT much better than the clean channels/patches on a $300 Katana?