Stopping Power of .22 Magnum
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- In this week's video, we consider the Stopping Power of the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR), more commonly known as .22 Magnum, primarily through the use of 15% synthetic ballistic gel.
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FIREARMS USED
.22 WMR Ruger LCRx
.22 WMR KelTec CMR30
AMMUNITION USED
.22 WMR CCI 40gr Game Point JSP
.22 WMR CCI 40gr Maxi Mag JHP
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People can say what they want, I love my 22 mag and trust it for all occasions
Me too.
it really is a wonderful round.
@@yourmomma2995 and plus if you have a 22M rifle they are that much better. I have a 270 but it’s only needed for big game or big trouble lol.
And it's affordable in this time where everything gets insanely expensive due to inflation.
For Me, the 22LR or 22 Mag is just fine for self defense! At my age of 78, I can no longer fire the more powerful ammo due to physical problems withy hands and arms, so I now only shoot and carry a 22LR or 22 Mag for self defense and I feel very confident with these rounds!
A single shot might not stop someone but I reckon that the followup shots will. I also read about studies regarding police shootings and more often than not people stopped being stupid the moment the officer pointed their gun at them.
My friend got shot in the back with a 22 SHORT fire out of a tiny little revolver with a 2 inch barrel, and he survived but barely.
It went Into his lung and collapsed his lung and he almost drown in his own blood. The ambulance was there in less than 5 minutes.
If that's what ONE 22 SHORT does then a 22 lr or 22 magnum would be a really bad day. ESPECIALLY if you've got higher capacity like 22 pistols often have. Like the keltec pmr30 I've been thinking of getting. You'll get 30 rounds of 22 mag with 22 LR rifle velocities. I don't think anyone will deny that 30 rounds from a 22 rifle will suffice for self defense.
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 If you shoot a perp with 4-5 .22 LR rounds he has been stopped already. There is only so much, even a big guy, can handle. Probably 1-3 rounds will do the job actually (no one wants to get shot in the end). I really hate all those youtubers that they spit on .22 and that they NEED 9mm in order to stop someone. Like you want to carry a heavy 9mm everyday.
Any bullet and gun that makes a hole in a person, causes pain and bleeding, is a good round and weapon. I have revolvers from .22 to .357, and have had auto loaders from .40 cal, 9mm, and .380. I tell people to carry what they are comfortable with and can shoot well. I often carry a 2” Charter Arms in .22 mag. And I love it. I don’t care if it puts them down immediately, I like the fact that it will stop them from coming at me and cause them to run away to bleed out somewhere else. I bought my daughters .22 revolvers because that’s what they shoot well.
I imagine most perps would not expect someone's daughters to have their dad's back in a self defense situation. If they are small and understand tactical positioning, the perps would be unresponsive before they understood what was happening.
I also carry that same revolver. Trying to find the 8 shot taurus.
Is 15 rounds of 9mm better? Yes. Are 15 rounds of .22 mag out of a Walther WMP to center mass going to stop your attacker? Also yes.
The 22 caliber is single handedly responsible for the most firearms related deaths💀 of any and all other caliber weapons !
On the other hand, the .22 is by FAR the most popular, affordable, comparatively speaking economical to shoot, and by FAR the most numerous firearm in the U.S.... The person handling the weapon is responsible for whatever negativity is associated with the caliber... so higher numbers of the caliber and common sense would equate to the more deaths... So, by FAR, the 12 GA is the most popular, most sold shotgun gauge by at least 3 fold... which, when common sense is applied, the people owning 12GA are responsible for the much higher 12 GA shotgun related deaths...
I would guess that 22cal in that statistic is including numerous different pistol & centerfire rifle cartridges... & that's a LOT of brass going out of a LOT of ejection ports!
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That is 22lr though
I totally disagree, I was a cop for 20 years and so I have observed first hand many times the damage this round can cause and how lethal it can be.
When I worked in A NYC ER we had a guy come in with a 22lr bullet wound to the leg but he kept complaining about chest pain. Well guess what? the 22lr traveled from his thigh to his chest. He was bleeding out like crazy internally. He barely made it out of surgery.
Any round can be lethal. However it’s chances of being so according to fbi stats are much lower.
a dang rock can be fatal if thrown adequately and it wont even penetrate...any caliber is 100% fatal but like we all know and have heard a thousand times shot placement is key people have brought down big white tail bucks with .177 pellet air rifles although ilegal it has been done. i remember a case about 20 yeara ago ago a kid in my hometown killed his own brother with a bb gun
@peter must have been c02 the case with the kids was a pump air gun
Yes this guy is a clown. All you need to do is shoot some stuff with 22mag to see how bad it would be. Start with the pelvis and work up to the face. Federal punch is the best.
I've seen what a 22wmr bullet can do to flesh, ballistics gel and clay. They don't call them pinballs for nothing. You can hit somebody in the thigh and it ends up under theirs ribs. Twice as much punch (if not a little more) as a 22lr round. Very effective EDC self defense round.
What a complete load of b.s.
It's mythology. 22 rounds DO NOT pinball around in someone.
Yes there are oddities like when a bullet hits a tendon and is DEFLECTED. it does not bounce. It deflects BECAUSE it doesn't have the power to break through.
Anyone who goes around saying that 22 caliber bullets bounce around like a pinball knows absolutely nothing about guns or ballistics.
Edit..
And if someone was hit in the thigh and it ended up in their ribs it would be because the person was laying down when they were shot...
But NO, 22 caliber rounds do not bounce around inside of a person. They a made of lead, not rubber. And if you shoot a tree or something like that and it bounces back it losses nearly all it velocity. And after all rubber comes from trees.
In the military we called it a tumbler round.
22 and 22mag are great for self defense they stay in and a less chance of a pass throw and hit a buy stander
These CCI loads were designed for use in rifles. There are self defense 22 wmr loads designed for short barrels, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, Federal Punch, etc.
I'm SO GLAD to see someone else thought the same thing! Right rounds for the right application! He's wrong....
The pistol powders are faster and develop full power in a pistol's shorter barrel.
@@tripacer8259yup he's not only wrong he's dead wrong on his choices ...the ones that are engineered for SD are wicked little rounds ...
...Winchester Silvertip
I was going to say the same thing. CCI does make an excellent self-defense .22 mag, but not this one.
Here's a 10 EMS and 23 year LE opinion. The 22 LR and WMR are nasty rounds. They bounce around inside and cause all kinds of damage. No they aren't the devastating massive wound makers like 9MM and 45 BUT I've seen them cause vicious wounds. I've seen entry wounds in the abdomen and the bullet track up the carotid artery. As far as head shots, unbelievable.
Rule one, carry what you can handle and train with it. Rule two, avoid trouble when you can. Rule three, when it's time to fight, fight like the 3rd monkey one the gang plank of Noah's Ark and it's starting to rain.
Bill Hickok stated it best, "You don't have to be the fastest, just the most accurate" (paraphrased).
I’m preparing a college level criminal profiling course and have looked at 100 cold case homicides as part of the preparation. So far, 99 were done by .22lr and 1 was from a 9mm. These were selected at random and I had no idea how the perp even killed the victims when I selected these cases. It seems like .22lr (and war) is pretty lethal.
@@ryanhale4116 Good luck in your research. If you have a chance ask a few active duty or retired officers about their experiences. One thing I found during my tenure was the economic factor and availability of .22LR as opposed to other more powerful rounds. Add to that the number of lower grade manufacturers of the weapons and it's an obvious choice.
Some .22 caliber rules to follow:
Rule #1: Don't do stupid things, with stupid people, in stupid places.
Rule #2: If you must use a .22, the .22LR Federal Punch is reliable and the penetration king in the LR world. And use higher capacity like 13-16 rounds (Taurus TX22/Compact, for example).
Rule #3: .22WMR is better served in revolvers due to the size of the semi-auto stuff out there, which still to this day limit themselves to certain brands and bullets. Run the short-barrel developed .22wmr from the 3 or 4 brands that have made it.
@usernumber09 Slower (sub-900 fps) heavy-for-caliber stuff is more effective than people think.
@freddawnson6432 You completely and utterly lied. Bullets do not bounce around in a person. Like a pinball in a pinball machine. Which has been proven many times by many different people.
Im a shooter with most all hand gun rounds. Now, at 79, with heath issues, I'm looking to down size in cal and size. The 22 wmr seems like the best choice at 8 rounds.
In my 34 years at the Oklahoma Medical Examiner's office, I can SWEAR a properly placed .22 CB cap will kill a 340-odd pound 6 foot 9 inch man. Read the late Jack O'Conner's book "The Hunting Rifle" and you'll see the 10,800 pound African elephant he killed with ONE .22 LR bullet. He shot it in the eye from less than 50 feet, and his gun bearer had his .416 Rigby handy if he needed it. A .22 LR is THOUSANDS of times more lethal than the .25 Auto, and the .22 Magnum is usually more effective than the .380 Auto. I've NEVER seen a .25 auto bullet to the chest EXIT the top of the skull. I've seen (and photographed) hundreds of .22 LR bullets do that. I've carried a 10mm for twenty years, and it's a very effective round IF you hit your target!!! The .22's have little or no recoil and not much noise. You can get shot 5 or 6 times while re-acquiring your target with a cannon, by the guy with the .22 (or vice-versa). NEVER forget about the "seeing eye" round from ANY firearm pointed at you. I've photographed the necropsies of too many who DID! My cousin Wyatt Earp told the "dime novelist" Ned Buntline, "Fast is fine. Accurate is FINAL!"
I have handguns from .45 ACP to .380 ACP for CCW. I would consider my recently-purchased Kel Tec PMR fine for self defense also, due to having 30 rounds and a fiery and loud muzzle blast (i.e., wasted powder). Let's not overlook the psychological impact of 30 of these rounds from a flat-shooting gun. Essentially zero time used to pull the muzzle back down after a shot, so you can just keep pulling the trigger. The PMR has a great trigger BTW.
The 22WMR pistol barrels are giving velocities that you would get from high velocity 22LR from a rifle barrel. A 22LR rifle will most certainly kill a person, with good shot placement. But killing is not always the intention; generally you just want to stop the threat. I think any rounds out of any gun are gonna make a perp re-think his business model.
Never did a bad guy who got shot said "it was just a .22 lets keep going" NEVER..
When they feel that hot poke along with loud bang they dont want any more I promise
But see that just not true. It has an over 40% failure to incapacitate. Meaning yep they shot them and they kept coming.
Lots of folks in the graveyard from a 22
@@gregorydavis1511 Lots from falling down the stairs as well. Doesn’t mean it’s an optimal self defense round.
@@TheLeadG 40% 1 stop shot? Or 40% of cases where the person was shot, possibly more than once? I never understood how they're counting it? Thanks for the reply in advance
@@Carryhandle556 40% failure to incapacitate.
I totally disagree, I have shot the 22 WMR for years and years and it has real "stopping" power.
The only way to put this debate to rest is have someone volunteer to take a couple center mass and see what the result is. Just my opinion
That’s how they test stuff in N.Korea☠️😉
Preferably a Democrat. 😂
2 shots on the chest, another 2 on the face... any threat that's coming, small or big, will surely be DEAD with 22LR or WMR... no doubt about that. The question is how you practice and apply in any situation. Practice will make you better and good in self defense overtime
Well fbi crime statistics state that .22 has a 40% failure to incapacitate. So to me that’s pretty terrible odds. I would not have my life depend on that caliber.
@@TheLeadG you might want to rethink that statement. The .22 has a way of killing very large bovines for supper with one shot to the head. Maybe the FBI is shooting elsewhere...?
@@TheLeadG the FBI reputation isn’t exactly stellar these days. Volunteer to take a round to the chest or head with 22lr or 22mag and let’s test that 40%
@@TheLeadGthat's because those people probably didn't have good shot placement. Double tap center mass, double tap to the head if necessary.
@@Shurmash I’m sorry but that’s some GI Joe shit. You have no idea how you would react under a life threatening situation until you are in it. It fucks with your shot placement. Sure training is ESSENTIAL. But you my friend are rolling the dice with a mouse round. I’d rather not. The stats bear it out. .22 has less success. It’s just that simple.
I love 22 mag, one of my faves. It’s my ny reload.
My friend took a 22 to the chest it collapsed his lung and exited out his arm pit missing his heart arteries and this was a ricochet off the pavement
I have the Keltec PMR30, and as far as reliability goes, it been 100% with all ammunition that is at least a 40 grain projectile. And out of everything I’ve fired through it I’ve never seen the rim fire misfire like I’m used to seeing from 22lr and 22short.
And with the light recoil, I am able to dump a 30 round mag into a 5” group in just a few seconds.
So I feel that I could depend on it for self defense.
I have seen comparisons between shooting 9mm and .22 and the extra amount of shots is so minimal. And in a self defense situation you are not going to be nearly as accurate. The spray and pray method is a dangerous one.
So what you are saying is, in a self defense situation you only need one shot then. Until you miss, then you won’t spray and pray or just pray then because one shot is all you are worried about or going to need. Even in conceal carry they tell you if you shoot, you are shooting to kill no matter how many shots it takes no matter the caliber.
I trust my life to the 22 magnum and firmly believe in them. Let people say what they will, I’ve seen what they’ll do first hand and I’m impressed
You're also paying far more to shoot.... and as far as .22lr and shorts are concerned, the cheapest ammo is not the best choice (especially for a carry) unless just plain dead broke.... Very, very rarely do I have any ammo failures... and I've been shooting since good .22lr was a penny a shot...
@@TheLeadGit's not spraying and praying when there is virtually no recoil. And 22 mag out of a 22 pistol has the same velocity of high velocity 22lr fired out of a rifle barrel.
So carrying a pistol with 30 rounds of 22 mag would be the equivalent of a 22 rifle with 30 rounds of high velocity ammo. And obviously you can carry a spare mag.
That's like 60 rounds of 22 LR from a rifle for self defense.
Just remember folks, the best gun in the world, is the one you have in your hand when you need one...
Absolutely 💯
IF it works. My S&W has all but promised me it will jam when I need it most.
It is not necessary to turn the threat into oblivion but rather merely stop the threat. If I were shot with any one of those rounds I would not pursue the issue.
Im thinking if you put 2 or 3 (22 mag) rounds in someone, especially in their head, they would rethink what they are currently doing.
Can’t forget hitting the diaphragm and getting the heart💘🖤 can’t go long with 2 holes🕳️ in the heart🤔
Just 1 22 mag in the head and unless it's a grazing wound, You're DONE!
Interesting how 40%+ keep going and aren’t stopped
@thelead interesting you have to comment under every comment spewing fbi “statistics”…..
@@tylerwill5250 I guess stats don’t matter right? Like we totally can’t google them at all and find them instantly.
I am a skeptic when the phrase stopping power becomes the topic of conversation. Conditions vary as do targets. I have always felt that bullet placement will allow even the smallest caliber bullets to do devastating damage. Even a small caliber round....40 grain .22 mag round will bounce off a dense bone in the body and tear soft flesh as it does. As another comment pointed out, the noise generated has a serious psychological effect on the human target.
This little caliber has a serious deterrent effect.
I'm reminded of a story from Alaska where a young couple had to fire at a brown bear with their high velocity small caliber magnum and emptied the thing until it malfunctioned. Bear took all of that and kept moving. Finally they had to put it down with a big bore revolver. It stopped the bear. Yes, large bore handgun cartridges with the right bullet are threat-stoppers. They STOP a brown bear, which last time I checked are more resilient than a person. Funny how magnum rifles can't do the job of big bore revolver slugs, in circumstances where most folk would think otherwise. Even Elmer Keith evident said a 255 gr lead cast bullet from a .45 Colt running 1050fps (original designed Black Powder load) would STOP a brown bear, with correct shot placement.
Yes, handguns have "stopping power". And yes, bigger bore handguns do this job better than smaller bore ones.
It's an overall complicated subject, but there are some things we can distill down into simple meaningful statements. Reality doesn't care about emotions and feelings.
Wow, what a mind bending comment. I would never have thought...oh...yes I would.
I do not begin to argue about the stopping power of a .44 mag vs a .22 mag where a large bear is concerned. Anyone going into the bush in Alaska is a fool if all he/she has for protection is a .22mag.I doubt however that more than 10% of the population of the continental U.S. will be going to Alaska for a vacation in the bush.
Friend of mine in North Carolina dropped a 150 pound black bear that tore into his tent some years ago. Generally, in the bush if you're making enough noise walking, the bears will be long gone before you catch sight of them.@@exothermal.sprocket
People who claim to 22 magnum or 22 long rifle is not good enough. Don’t know what you’re talking about.
Love the Presentation, Thank You and to state what was Understood and not stated just to put it out there: "Shot Placement" is Critical no matter What Caliber is being considered/tested.
a 40 grain bullet at 2000 f/s is very serious. And when I saw that inside the gel it turns over and behaves unstably, I thought about it. perhaps it is for self-defense weapons that 22 magnum is better than the usual 9x19. Just because I can shoot faster and more accurately
I shoot a lot of different calibers shot the 22 mag for the first time a couple days ago this round has plenty of heat on it to get the job done in a self defense situation.
Great video! Again. Like most calibers, each one has their best application. I am an RSO and for teaching new shooters, I have a Henry lever action and a Heritage Rough Rider with a 6.5" barrel, both in 22 WMR. Just to instruct the proper loading, unloading and manual of arms of those types of weapons. EVERYONE enjoys shooting them.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. They are definitely a blast to shoot and I also have found they have some real translatable skills later on. Stay safe and hope you continue to enjoy the content.
@krashduder1 How much fps do you get with a 6.5" barrel using the .22WMR? I'm considering to buy a taurus 992 with this barrel lenght
@@gabriel_4916 Check out "Tools and Targets" channel video: 22LR vs 22 magnum.. He uses a 6.5" Rough Rider
Although I respectfully disagree with you on the ability of the 22 mag in a handgun for self defense, I do appreciate your work and review.
I do not believe a rimfire, be it LR or Mag, is the best choice by any means, but I do believe that both can be used successfully in self defense, based on some first hand knowledge I personally have from seeing them used.
As we know, some people, for one reason or another, can not handle anything larger than a 22 rimfire, so for them a 22 LR or 22 Mag may be their only choice for self defense.
As a LEO I carried a 45 acp duty weapon, a 38 spl back up and a 22 mag mini-revolver as a get off of my gun. I practiced a lot with all three handguns and was proficient with all of them, including the 22 magnum mini-revolver. The 22 mag was not my first choice, but I did have some confidence in it as a last resort or I would not have carried it at all.
I have been out in my yard and garden today working and the 22 mag was in my pocket, so still trusting it in at least some situations.
Keep up the good work!
Although we may not all agree of everything, we can still all learn something from each other.
God Bless you and your family.
Yep, that's the essence of the video. Great summary.
I Totally AGREE with you my friend. This is a Planking Gun, NOT a Big Game Stopper. Thanks for the knowledge.
When you've got 30 rounds in the PMR-30....
The silent half of "stopping power" is "rounds on target" and I'm pretty sure I can pump out about twice as many .22 mag shots as I can with my .45. That should probably weigh into the carry decision choice in my book.
Plus: All my "carry" guns SUCK for accuracy. The PMR-30 easily stomps in the accuracy department vs any .380 I've ever seen. All the barrels are too short. My 1911 is pretty good, but it's very heavy to EDC. The most important thing is to actually carry every day.
Great point made!
I’ve seen Paul Harrel and many others debunk this point. You won’t get rounds off all that much faster. If you have good training. A very marginal time difference is definitely there. But it’s utility is pretty moot.
@@TheLeadG Depends. One of the popular conceal carry channels here, he was more than twice as fast n his splits shooting his LCP II 22lr vs his LCP II in 380, he was more accurate too. Most people have to train a ton to get as quick and as accurate with multiple shots on target with larger calibers as they do with smaller calibers with less recoil and muzzle flip. Super time consuming and you'll go broke with the price of 9mm and even 380 ammo these days. The vast majority of gun owners buy a gun but rarely train with it.
Just what I was looking for. The newer Ammo products are making gains in regards to the barrel lengths so there is that and their criteria for performance specifity is pretty applicable. Like to see a re do with ammo specific to barrel lengths. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Still effective enough for most situations! If you ever try this again, try Federal Punch 45 grain mags.
Yep I have the 45gr Winchester dynapoint rn
32 yrs LEO and more people are killed with 22 cal bullets than any other. Massive damage, not to the naked eye, truthfully that’s not what stops an attacker anyway. Blood loss is what stops the attack and there is more than enough penetration to get to the heart and or head. Either one will end the situation. 22 cal, once it gets by the ribs, starts bouncing around in the chest cavity like it’s a arcade game.
I don't know what you were expecting. Name another 40 grain bullet that hit penetration standards like that out of a 3 inch barrel. ALOT of 9mm fail to hit those standards and most 380s do. Not to mention, you're not even using one of the top 3 rounds imo. And I'm not sure exactly what you want to see.
If I’m correct roughly 40% of homicides are with 22lr. So I believe if you put a 22mag round through someone heart or head it will probably have the same result in that person health as if you were to use a 9mm
It has a 40%+ chance of not stopping the attacker that’s terrible.
@@TheLeadG 100% Chance of stopping if you have good shot placement. Your ignoring the context of the statistics.
I can tell you from seeing some1 shit in front of me with 25 auto that 1 people run when they get shot...they dont wait to see what caliber it is and it stops a man from doing what hes doing because the sound and slight burning he now feels are scary to him. Then he sees blood while running away...guess what? You just stopped a man from hurting or killing you. Thats real stopping power. Trust me.
@@barryblu_space-bar3xvery well said. If the attacker is still mobile they don't want to stick around and get hit again regardless of the caliber. 22 WMR is powerful.
Another really good video. Thanks for the work you put into these.
Thanks a ton and I am glad you enjoy them. Matt does a great job of editing them and truly has a much harder job. See you next week!
"do not use the revolver in single action mode in an emergency situation". Like in Parkland, IN? Where the lawful concealed carrier missed his first 2 shots at 40 yards before closing to under 30 yards to start hitting the shooter? Because of that incident, I am in the process of switching to a DA/SA revolver so that I CAN make the 40 yard shots which nobody whose name is not 'Jerry M.' is not doing 100% with a subcompact semiauto. That is just one example of an 'emergency situation' where single action mode is preferrable to a striker fire or double action.
Appreciate the video. I have both guns you used. Also have the 2 inch version of the LCRX. I usually shoot Federal Game Shok 50 grain offerings. Huge fan of the WMR. All the best. "The JJ" SW Penna.
I found your channel by accident and I immediately subscribed. Please keep making these kinds of videos. Thank you
I really appreciate the subscription Richard and hope you continue to enjoy what we are doing. See you next week.
Same. This channel delivers!
I would like to think that a human body shot with a 22 magnum multiple times would incapacitate them. Light recoil, high capacity and easy to use firearm would make it easier to defend one's self. I could be totally wrong.
Big help. Gel & chicken both told a very important story. Thank you.
Most 22 WMR are loaded for rifle length barrels. The exceptions are Federal Punch and Hornaday Critical Defense loaded for 2" and longer pistol barrels. It is the powders used by CCI are too slow.
The chicken is convinced!
Excellent tests. Thank you much.
My wife used to carry an LCR, in .22 mag, as a purse gun, before her arthritis made the trigger an issue. She likes her 9mm Shield now. The .22 WMR ain't no pellet gun, though. I will say, in my mild to cold climate, I like a full jacket as opposed to hollow points out of that short barrelled LCR. If it had to get through her purse, and then the bad guy's jacket, hoodie, and t-shirt, I want penetration over expansion in that situation. It's a very nice round for varmints and small game out of a rifle, though.........even in self defense where over penetration isn't a consideration. It's not the best round, but it's better than no round, and it has a lot more pop than a .22LR.
I’ve carried a amt auto mag years ago cheap too shoot so lots rounds . I’ve used it for woodchucks and butchering pigs and cows non of them knew what happened. Its no center fire but I wouldn’t underestimate what it will stop .
Definitely something to think about. If you could find the ammunition, I’d like to see the Hornady Critical Defense .22 mag or the Speer Gold Dot .22 mag. Both are designed for short barrel pistols/revolvers. Given the age of the CCI offerings, they’re definitely meant for rifles. Keep up the great work.
Yeah, I've seen 22mag Gold Dots work well in short barrels.
Then I've seen vids of folks that get good results with Hornady in short barrels when they pull the red plug out of the HP cavity. But idk about that one in particular, never seen it in person so... 🙄
We have a couple boxes of the Hornady, and one box of the Gold Dots...we haven't 'tested' the ammo, trusting other folks are trying to put out accurate information...the Hornady currently carried, but we think either would be fine...as small as the bullets are, if they expand, fine, and if they don't, fine...rule #1 applies, have a gun...the Federal Punch looks attractive, we might try to find a box, but we good 'til then...
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I've seen a video where some guy tested a 2" 22 WMR Ruger LCR on gel & it passed the 16" mark leaving massive internal damage that looked like it was from 357 magnum. 22 WMR is VERY effective regardless of barrel length.
Thank you for your interest in our channel and the suggestions for some alternative ammo selections! I am continually amazed by the experience and knowledge base of our viewers and I hope I can rise to the level of our viewership. Thanks again and be safe.
I think the 22wmr is adequate for self defense. At home, I’m shooting 380 Jhp. But the 22wmr pug is always with me going out.
It’s drawback, if you want to call it that, is you have to hit what you aim at. I can. I consider it a get the hell away from me gun.
For that it’s ok. Obviously these only come in single action but, for me, it’s accurate enough.
On the rare occasions I’m out at night, it’s either a sig or hk 9mm. Nice vid. The penetration was pretty impressive.
I believe it's fair to say that few will buy a .22 WMR for personal protection. But for those who are recoil sensitive, it's a fair alternative. Smith and Wesson has recently released a semi auto chambered in this caliber with a 4 inch barrel. It has some real potential and the system is based on their 5.7 mm offering. I'm considering one for my teenager.
Nice video but "stopping power" is a kind of silly, made up term. Caliber wars are a thing of the past. Its much more about shot placement and ammo type than caliber size. Modern personal defense rounds, even in 22lr (like Federal Punch and Winchester Slivertip) have plenty of stopping power when shots are placed in the right areas. They are both capable of 16 inch penetration out of a pistol and well past that out of a rifle and they do some damage along the way. So unless you are hitting something with a slug out of a shotgun, the term "stopping power" is irrelevant for smaller calibers.
If you place two shots from a .22 Magnum WRF into the belly of any beast, you're going to be left alone.
Not true according to stats it has a 40%+ failure to incapacitate. Meaning it isn’t stopping attackers. Therefore a pretty lame round for self defense.
@@TheLeadG please point us to your citation. I would like to take a look at those stats
@@taduncan6614 It’s straight from the fbi crime stats study. I can’t exactly remember the name of it. But it’s very commonly cited to.
@@TheLeadG I just thought since you had posted about it a few times, you might know where to find it without having to dig around a govco site. They are the hardest to find anything on ... not user friendly.
ANY beasts?
I carry a 351 PD by SW, and it’s surprisingly accurate, 10 oz empty, and holds 7 rds. Nobody wants to catch one, or two of these in the thoracic triangle, as this will cause the recipient to want to sit the next one out. Accurate, carryable, lethal = confident all but distance.
As a believer of 22lr with quite the practice, it is true larger calibers has more oomph, but it doesn't matter when you can hit a moving target with in the vital areas every time. No matter what you use... Practice, Practice, Practice!!!
One could do a lot of practicing with the low cost of 22lr ammo.
Wow it looks like the people in the comments are just as informative as the person in the video 😊
Actually a huge value to doing 22 WMR revolver test video with trigger pull cylinder capacity and rapidfire and reliability tests there’s a few different guns out there but no one has done a good job of stack ranking them by performance and reliability in either a self-defense or target situation
Would NOT like to think someone emptied a 7-shot S&W .22 Magnum revolver into my upper mass at 10 yrds. JUST SAYING!
On thing about the .22 WMR is its sound and muzzle flash out of a short barrel. It will look and sound like an .357 magnum. glad you went with a .15% bell for these tests.
Another way to look at it is the average number of shots to incapacitate. My recollection (going on my fallible memory here) is that the differences between calibers was much less after a couple of rounds.
Generally speaking double taps are a good idea in any case.
Would I prefer a .32 Long or H&R? Probably but the .22 mag is not exactly a BB gun and if we are talking 6 32s v.s. 8 or 9 .22mag the calculus is a bit more complex.
It is all a game of trade-offs and some of those are rarely considered in the gun crank industry. Run what makes sense for you and know your gear.
That 32 long is not sompthing to mess with.
I'm sure 1 or 6 22 mag shots to center mass will get most criminals to think twice about their actions. For the size of the gun, I would carry a larger pistol caliber, unless the recoil snap is an issue.
Why do all of you RUclips eggspurts NOT use the New, updated ammo specifically designed for short barreled handguns and self defense ? Does Ammomart not know/carry this new technology? I'm 67 yrs old, had double hip replacement and bypass surgery. Sorry but I use both 22wmr and 32acp for self defense and use rounds on the cutting edge of technology! Underwood, Hornady, Speer and Federal!!
My Walther WMP and my Ruger WMR run smooth and accurate .
22wmR is viable.
SHOT PLACEMENT IS EVERYTHING.
Multiple shots is common when shooting in an incident.
You are trying to hit vutal organs.
So who wants to test some out on themselves???
None of us.
If this is all you can handle shooting use it.
For sure the .22WRM packs a lot more punch than a pointed stick. For CCW it's tough to beat.
If you are going to explore .22WMR for a self-defense round, I'd expect this video to cover 4" barrels (IMO, minimum length for .22WMR) and using so-called short barrel self-defense rounds.
I just don't think a 3" barrel is enough for this particular cartridge, especially if you use standard rounds meant for a rifle. Sorry, but honesty is the best policy; this demo was disappointing and could have been done better.
Agreed!
does the cylinder rotation stay smooth after the gun heats up ?
Still better then nothing.
I enjoy your no-nonsense videos and your personal opinion about the ballistic, gelatin and chicken summaries, however, one test you probably cannot conduct would be the effect the .22 magnum would have on real flesh and blood loss/organ damage from the hole a .22 mag would make. That being said, one of my carry Luigi's is the Smith 351pd 7 shot .22 mags. Of course, any hole in a vital area of the human body, be it from a knitters needle, knife blade over four inches or jailhouse shank, blood letting would be a viable test for the .22 mag stopping capabilities.
Okay I grew up in the mountains out side of Wilkes Barre PA. Lots of White Tail deer have meet their demise by a 22 mag. Just a fact.
@@ronaldbobeck1026 good enough. I also heard of a well placed .22 may bring down a bear. Thanks for the reply, enjoyed your video.
I've heard that if you get the 30 grain Hornady V-Max (2200 fps) and remove the little red plastic tips then the projectile will fragment, causing massive damage.
THANKS, I'LL LOOK INTO IT.
Too lite less penetration. Pizza
I think you're selling that round short. Paul Harrell has some great videos on it. And my personal experience tells me otherwise. A .22LR killed my uncle. Several members of my family are in law enforcement and I've heard the stories.
When is Ruger gonna make a 22wmr similar to the LCP II?? I'd buy it in a heartbeat!!!
Effect on target seemed pretty devastating out of the cmr30...I don't think you would be standing very long with a couple of those center mass let alone 30 rounds of that with no recoil.
Great objective video Bro! The .22 Rimfire magnum is one of those weird kinds of calibers that requires some experience with. I became familiar with the .22 WMR way back in high school during the mid 1960's. I have never considered it as a defensive round but it can be one heck of a varmint slayer > 🙂
The Gold Dot 22WMR seems to have the best results I've seen
Anyone can survive any caliber shot in nonlethal location but between the eye's or a heart shot is a different story
Suggestion: Rather than a straightforward comparison of various rounds, why not define your minimum standard of an "effective" round, including whatever fabric (clothing analog) combination, plus the degree of penetration (ballistic gel block, whatever), over-penetration standards (something that should be considered for indoors and crowded outdoors defensive situations) and then simply see what rounds meet or exceed your "Stopping Power" standard; these rounds then become acceptable.
I am looking at getting a medium to large bore revolver and a Kel-Tec P17 for backup. I had to sell everything in a fit of poverty quite a while back. I just need to figure out which to buy first.
In favor of the centerfire we have better round for round performance (and of course the grappling factor of the wheelie). In favor of the rimfire is the cost of weapon and ammo making it easier to get back in practice.
Each can be effective but one would use different tactics.
Great video. Seems like these Pmr and cmr would be good big out or get home bag guns!
Check out the Keltec P50. 50 rounds of 5.7 in a small enough and light enough package with such low recoil it can be shot one handed if needed. Now THATS s bug out/home defense pistol!
How about comparing the effectiveness of a 45 long colt vs 44 special vs 45 acp?
I’ve got a little single action North American Arms, one-inch barrel derringer type .22 mag with a compression holster which can hang from a paracord necklace. Not my main edc, of course, but in a pinch at point blank range, it is a nasty little weapon.
Great video!!! Definitely made some valid points about the .22 magnum. I thinks it’s safe to say the .22 caliber period was made strictly for rifle use!!! I personally carry my S&W M&P Shield .45 loaded with Federal HST 230 grain JHP. Very devastating lethal round!!! Not taking any chances with my life!!! Thanks for the video!!!
The .45 ACP will assuredly get the job done. Thanks for taking the time to comment and stay safe.
I wanted one of those so bad last year but discovered they're not CA compliant SMH 😔
I believe a round in the chest with a 22 Magnum will make someone doing a bad thing start doing something else.
EXACTLY, MY FRIEND. THEY PROBABLY WON'T WANT TO SHOOT AT SOMEONE STUNG LIKE THAT.
@AmmoMart can you please define "stopping power"?
I agree with your assessments.
What pistol and barrel length?
Ok, so how do you feel about 5.7?
I’ve heard they’re louder than a 9mm? I just bought the new S and W 22 mag.
How about the 327 federal for ccw ?
Chickens don't care. I'm a big guy. The first one stops me. LOL!
I use the 351 as a ccf
Tested allbrands ammo in coffee cans filled with silica sand. The reults are amazing.look at the expandson a nd the penetration. You want to get hit with this. Used all brands of ammo.fmj is wow.
Of course everyone would like a .50 BMG with the recoil of a .22 short. I'd say that a .22 Mag out of a light revolver isn't a bad choice for a lot of people. For example, a small or elderly person that can't handle the recoil. Keep in mind, if they are not an avid shooter recoil can really screw up the shooter's performance. They will fear their own gun. If the non-gun nut knows that they can pull this gun out, pull the trigger and have it go bang without hurting their wrist, that is a good thing. They more likely use it effectively. The only downside I see for a small or elderly person is that the double action trigger may be heavy, especially since rimfire guns tend to need more of an impact, and thus a heavier trigger pull. No free lunches...
Why yes, by all means 22WMR is more than up to handling this kind of crazy rage.
Ive never seen a better advertisement for having a MICRO PISTOL IN 22 MAGNUM FOR SELF DEFENSE than watching this huge angry hulk launch himself into the air over the judicial bench and attack the judge!!!! That's the kid of crazy you are MORE likely to encounter in this day and age.
It’s very to tell which round is for rifle, and which is for pistol.
Check the velocity on the box. 1000 to 1250, pistol round. 1700 and up, rifle round.
the amount of pressure loss in a revolver is extreme with 22mag
I would never use a revolver for conceal carry.
What do you consider extreme figures I have seen are all less than 5% velocity loss in high pressure rounds.
@@bugler6447 Up to you. I prefer a revolver due in large measure to the advantages in sudden close contact situations. I _would_ be inclined to carry an auto for the backup just in case I run into a gang battle in Rural Indiana.
Try the Federal Punch I was impressed with them .
Would like to see some Federal Punch Ammo tested.
Follow up with the Gold Dot loaded by Speer and Federal, Federal Punch, and Hornady Critical Defense with the revolver.
I had never heard that about the FBI standard. Interesting. I would imagine clothing has an impact as well.
A 22 wmr snubby might make a good shorts gun. 38 might be a bit snappy in the same gun.
what about the sig wmp