Jesus Saves - Deconstructing Jehovah's Witnesses
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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First live session, covering and exposing the false gospel presented by JW.org. I'll be going through JW articles and tearing down JW theology and doctrine into tiny insignificant pieces. This topic will be on if they think Jesus saves. Should be fun!
I came out of the cult after 50 years and now know the love of Christ. You do a very good job. Keep up the good work.
So happy for you! I came out about 2.5 years ago (in for 34).i live these types of vids by Christians bc it helps me clean out WT cobwebs from my head. Born Again Aug of 2020 and SO grateful. Jesus is EVERYTHING! ❤
@@ritastevenson5639 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
I run into this all the time. JWs will say that I hate JWs because I argue with them about pretty much everything they believe. I simply tell them that I love them, and don't want to see them perish without Jesus. I HATE the doctrines they believe in, I love the people. I HATE the organization the crooked leadership has created and are leading astray ignorant people. I love the people.
So JWs, no....NOOOOO, we don't hate you, we love you, and want nothing more for you to know Christ, and HIM CRUCIFIED. I Cor. 2:2. Get rid of this cult doctrine that you've been led astray by, and come to the REAL Jesus, Who died for your sins, rose from the grave, physically in a glorified body, and is forever seated at the right hand of the Father making INTERSECCION FOR US. Put your faith in Jesus, not the Watchtower organization. Put your faith in Jesus, not how many hours your are out pushing literature. Put your faith in Jesus, not whether or not you took a blood transfusion.
Choose Jesus, choose Life.
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible??????
AMEN AND AMEN TO THAT; THEIR CULT RUNS DEEP . IF YOU HAVE OLD BOOKS 📚 YOU WILL HAVE THEIR HISTORY OF CULTISM !
How can someone sitting at home preach to JWs who are being led by Jesus in the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14.
People who sit at home claiming to 'know' what the Bible teaches, yet do nothing about it?
James 2:26....so also faith without works is dead.
Just for information. many JWs were once members of churches. They would know all the tricks and twisting of scriptures to MAKE Jesus into God. What will be new to them?
@@jimjuri6490 Not only do you NOT know me at all, but you don't know many Christians either. Every church I've EVER attended, has missionaries that we support, going throughout the world, delivering the gospel to those who are perishing. So enough with the JW bragging about Matthew 24.
These alleged JWs that were once "Christians"? Yeah, most likely Catholics, not Christians. But it really doesn't matter anyway, does it? Jesus said there are weeks among the tares, and that HE will be the one to separate them before throwing them into the fire.
You need to repent Jimmie. It's tiring listening to your drivel. I mean really, I feel bad for you. So much trust in men in NY, and NOT in Jesus. I pray JWs have the scales removes just like the ones all over your eyes. I pity you. All you can do is throw out random bible verses with no context. You should try reading Matthew 24, the whole thing, and put the WT in light to it's testing of a false prophet. It is the WT that has predicted false dates, and even said Jesus returned already. So maybe you should turn that light on yourself before it's too late.
One day you will know, but I don't want you to suffer for eternity. Repent and turn to Jesus Christ ALONE for the remission of YOUR sins, and be washed in the blood that will make you white as snow, Jimmie.
I like your apologetic because it help me to removed the false teaching of the WT in my head. Thanks and God blessed in the name of Jesus amen. Thanks to YT and internet it help so much to learn the bible
You mean you learned falsehood, right ?
@Ellys,
Here you again with no actual meaningful response.
So happy for you, my brother in Christ! We are truly free and now children of God. Praise God!❤
I was raised in the Jehovah witness religion, and I’m watching a lot of apologetic videos, but I still don’t know what that word means but I know that I love what I’m hearing.
In the name of the lord and king of kings
JESUS CHRIST!
May he pleas bless your work.
Amen.
Thank you for taking the time to go bit by bit through their teachings.
Thankyou for your time and efforts. Your videos really help me in more ways than I can Express. I am very grateful for what you do xx
It's funny how the WT demands that the way things work in scripture conforms to their understanding of it. Example: I once had a JW tell me (you know who you are) that Jesus couldn't possibly have been raised physically because he appeared in a room with closed doors. The reasoning was that a fleshly body could not pass through the doors. But the passage doesn't say anything about "passing through" anything. And remember -- we're talking about someone who, to the JW way of thinking was ONLY man while he was on Earth, but managed to calm storms, raise the dead, and walk on water. Somehow, I think someone like that could handle a door.
Do any of us know how God's being "eternal" works? Who among us can explain how something that exists now had no beginning? The simplest statement in the English language remains beyond our reason: "I AM". Isn't it just possible that there are things that we will not know this side of heaven, such as the exact nature of our future bodies? I think it's pretty arrogant for an organization to declare how things are, base their entire theology on those declarations - made by men they admit are neither infallible or inspired but must be followed without question - and then call anyone who disagrees with them a liar.
It's pretty arrogant for anyone with a finite mind like ours to insist that God must then conform to the limits our finite minds place upon him.
I go to the bank and pay of the loan I took. After which I tell them "I paid it off. Now can I have it back."
Wouldn't I still be in a position of debt?
Jesus sacrificed his human body ONCE FOR ALL TIME. Could he get it back?
Hebrews 7:27....., because 'Jesus' did this once for all time when he offered himself up.
I may disagree with a lot of theology with you, especially in regards to questions of universalism, but I do really appreciate the work you're doing here. It's quite impressive
It's great to put a face to your voice! Keep up the good work
"He knew his pyramids, though..." mic drop.
Once again Evan there was no warning, my Latte cleared my sinuses. Thanks for that. Hilarious.
It has always struck me how eager some witnesses are to tell you what scripture means. But the WT itself is clear in its statements that you cannot understand scripture without the governing body to explain it to you. Do the individual witnesses really understand scripture, or are they just parroting back what they've been *told* scripture means? The GB also says that independent thinking is dangerous --- it's the sin of pride. So, are we really even hearing the words of the witnesses who comment, or are we just hearing the clanging of the WT cymbal?
You are absolutely hearing them parrot back what they have read in their publications. The "best" jws are the ones with the best recall of the printed page. In their minds Watchtower literature is the authority on any subject.
Ezekiel temple vision shows that only a trickling stream is at the source where true worship is carried out..but it is from far far away that the most dramatic life saving provisions come during the final part of the days
@@compositioncompilation What are you trying to say here?
@@evanwindom3265 those considered far far away from the temple..the governing body as the anointed ones at the centre or temple..the furthest from the (considered to be )apostates..from among these thd most beneficial provisions for life come to those responding to the truths APOSTATES offer..to those (considered )dead in the Dead sea.
Whether it be plagues( from the two witnesses/GB @ rev 11:6..a dramatic twist) that have DETRIMENTALLY affected them to cause them to slack off in their worship or stop believing in God and expressing their disbelief ..totally disillusioned from what they've seen..not expecting plagues to come their way in the way they have..
@@compositioncompilation I'm still not fully understanding you. Sorry. Are you saying that the GB are the two witnesses?
Your channel has been such a blessing to me when I talk to JWs
Many JWs would already know of all the tricks and twisting of scriptures to make Jesus into God. Remember, they were once members of churches. So, what's new to JWs?
So what it shows is that when they want to be. Biblically accurate they can, which means that they are choosing not to on purpose
🧐 NWT - 1 Corinthians 14
37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or is gifted with the spirit, HE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE THINGS I AM WRITING to you ARE THE Lord’s commandment.
😵💫 38 But IF ANYONE DISREGARDS THIS,
HE WILL BE DISREGARDED.
Word choice - spellcasting
You must acknowledge 😵
If anyone disregards this
he will be disfellowshiped
When comparing translations, what I see in the NWT is wording changed to fit their doctrine to match their literature
acc to Thayer's for the Greek word for disregarded means " 'he is not known' i. e. according to the context 'he is disregarded,' 1 Corinthians 14:38 "
These are so good. Thanks so much. Praise Jesus indeed ❤🎉
Witnesses teach that you must render “sacred service” to be saved through Armageddon. Sacred service is defined as their door to door work, attending meetings, obedience to the organization. Do these things and MAYBE you will be granted eternal life at the end of the 1000 yrs.
I’m glad you’re obsessed with this topic. I have lots of family in this and pray for them and your videos help give me things that I hope I can share with them one day. for example, thanks for pointing out that Jesus has to be resurrected as a fully god and man to be the high priest I never thought about that before.
That would be cause for concern. A High Priest offers sacrifices on behalf of the people TO GOD.
IF God is the High Priest and he is offering HIMSELF to HIMSELF, then there actually was nothing ever offered TO GOD.
Hebrews 7:27 Unlike those HIGH PRIESTS 'Jesus' does not need to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, because HE DID THIS ONCE FOR ALL TIME when HE OFFERED HIMSELF UP.
God CANNOT be the High Priest.
I am reading a book that was printed in 1991 called He Walked the Americas by L. Taylor Hansen. It is a compilation of accounts of "The Healer" over two millennia from the indigenous tribes of North and South America. The author compiled them over a 30 year period, from the peoples themselves. It's been quite fascinating. And they all (so far anyway, I am not finished reading it yet) describe Him as being "fair" with "grey-green eyes". This is Jesus they are describing: He performs miracles, teaches them His Gospel, he cannot be killed, has nail prints in his hands, and tells each of them that He will return.
WATCHTOWER TRUTH EXPIRES !
How can that happen. Truth can be hidden but it can never be destroyed.
(John 8:32) and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
These words were addressed to Jews who had already believed Jesus. What else had they to learn as TRUTH?
John 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now.
That is why Jesus reveals it bit by bit to his appointed slave.
I say they teach a false fear of Jesus, so the thought of talking personally about who Jesus is to themselves that fear keeps them glued to what the literature says.
@1:13
Can’t wait to hear your story
It's not that you're angry... You're righteously indignant. 😊
Yes! I love that
Probably 99% of Witnesses don't know that the Watchtower teaches that Jesus isn't their mediator.
People who learn what the Bible teaches leave their churches and become JWs.
Others just follow man made doctrines like the Trinity. When asked to explain it just give their opinion.
How do people become JWs? By filling out a form??
(Matthew 28:20) teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.
@@jimjuri6490 Do you know that the Watchtower teaches that Jesus isn't your mediator? Do you know what the Bible says about those who don't have Jesus as their mediator?
@@EliseDoomSlayer : May I ask a question. If you claim that Jesus is your mediator may I ask mediator of what?
@@jimjuri6490 He is the mediator to God for my redemption and the forgiveness of my sins:
Hebrews 9:15 ESV
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Read that whole chapter in fact. Notice that there's no mention of an "earthly class" who gets their sins forgiven WITHOUT Christ as their mediator.
Jesus referred to this:
John 6:53 ESV
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
So I'll ask you, do you think it's okay to disobey Jesus in order to follow the Watchtower?
@@EliseDoomSlayer :Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant. It is between God and a few Chosen ones.
That is different to Jesus dying for ALL HUMANKIND. Let's read.
(1 Timothy 2:5, 6) For there is one God, and one mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, A MAN, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding RANSOM FOR ALL...
Two separate issues. Verse 6 wouldn't have been added if everyone who believes in Jesus is covered in verse 5.
What have these few in the Covenant been chosen for? See Revelation 5:9,10.
Luke 22:29 and I make a COVENANT WITH YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, FOR A KINGDOM, 30 so that you may eat and drink AT MY TABLE in my Kingdom, and SIT ON THRONES to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
If these in the Covenant are going to be Kings and rule, who are their subjects?
The 99.99 % of JWs whom God has gathered in these last days. (Micah 4:1-5). And more to come (Acts 24:15).
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess THE EARTH, And they will LIVE FOREVER ON IT.
The remaining 0.01% of JWs are from the chosen Ruling group. Called the remnant in prophecy. Compare Matthew 24:31.
Hope this has been helpful.
Fantastic presentation!
@23:00
“Says who!?”
Says the most notorious false prophets in religious history
What light is there in other cults catholic Adventist and others cults in comparison with Jehovah whitness ? Do they honored the name of Jehovah God as JESSUS did JOHN ch17v3,6,26. MAT 24v 14 ,14 ch 6 v9and10,PS 91v14 do they teach Jessus as God to worship ,but jessus worship only his farther not himself nor did Jehovah asked to worship Jessus instead of him. Thuth is only in Jehovah whitness cult.
Here's a thought LOD. Maybe God kept making your pen stroke a BROAD one when you were striking thru all those JW lies. Maybe, just maybe, God wanted to strike those lies with prejudice.
I'd never heard of universalism until a few weeks ago. There's a channel on RUclips called Total Victory Through Christ, he is a Christian, and makes some good points, using the KJV (i think). It's disingenuous to call other Christian's "apostate" just because they believe something different... it's valuable to be open to the idea we could be wrong about our opinions, humble to avoid pride and not changing our minds if they need to change. And God can help us know for sure.
The world is indeed in ruin. It's the age of rebellion. A time when darkness
envelopes the hearts of men, when gloom wraps around their souls like a
cloak in the night. There is no light among the masses, even goat-head demons
trample about false and dead religions that sway in cold breezes where people
have gone mad with their idols, praying for relief from what is not truth, and are
lost in the tempest of pagan rites and celebration feasts, led to worship statues
of clay and marble, gold and silver, seeking audience with the son of the most
high God, the Christ himself, saying, he is our god and there is no one else!
''Rebels without a cause,'' ridiculing, heatedly with scorn, mocking with glee,
hatred and contempt, against those offering words of life-giving sayings. But
how they have gone rushing into the winds of powerful sensual desires living
for the sensations of the moment, because religions know not the Kingdom
of God. Why should you, rebellious ones? Church leaders themselves are also
rebellious against the truth, paying attention to teachings of demons. 1 Tim.4:1.
In the end, the truth will prevail over the rebellion of disobedient ones. Eph.2:2.
Amen.
I've been listening to some debates between trinitarians and unitarians lately, and it's interesting that they both make good, valid points using the scriptures. And I'm not talking about the JWs scriptures. It doesn't appear to be an issue that can be solved using just the Bible. It's been a discussion for hundreds, if not thousands of years and it's not likely to end any time soon.
Who are Jesus' ONLY DISCIPLES today. It is obvious that it is JWs. Then logically this applies.
John 10:14 I am the fine shepherd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me,
Others go around attacking JWs is to be expected . Matthew 24:9.
Can you show what JW publication you read from? It is very important to be able to say exactly where the info is when talking to a J W.
JWs are happy because of these videos.
(Matthew 5:11) “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake.
Gday Mr LOD great presentation as always. Walter Martin said there's only 1 person who has a Spiritual Body. Jesus. Luke 24 describes the makeup of that body. Flesh and Bone. Our JW friends misconstrue Blood for Bone.
Luke being the Doctor describes in a perfect manner and presents Jesus's spiritual body as few people could. He goes to great lengths to emphatically deny Jesus being raised a Spirit.
How anyone reading Luke could come away from that saying Jesus was raised a Spirit.
Luke being a Doctor makes the JW notion of Jesus being raised a spirit look moronic.
"But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
Luke 24:37-39 NKJV
then he goes and eats some broiled fish.
This doctrine of the JWs came about because they had to make Jesus have a INVISIBLE Presence.
If Jesus is a Spirit then they (The JWs) can claim he returned in 1874 or 1914 or any other future date. it's very hard to disprove an Invisible Spirit hasn't returned.
You need "Eyes of Understanding" to see Jesus.
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 and yet earlier at 1 Timothy 2:5 the writer calls him a man, it's very odd that JWs have this proclivity to read into the Bible. They idea that Jesus couldn't take his human body back stems from Chuck Russell and his lawyer background. Of course the entire thing about Jesus is very silly but JWs generally don't understand biblical resurrection or christology for that matter. That said, I do think the some of earliest Christians were jw-like in their beliefs, after the Jewish got exposed to Greek ideas. It's funny how JWs claim Greek ideas messed with the truth when they totally resemble gnostics.
@@cygnustsp WHAT IS THE CONTEXT of 1 tim 2:6? What is the NATURE OF JESUS when HE GAVE up his life as ransom as the VERSE 6 mentioned? a MAN. hello. jESUS WAS Resurrected and as 1 cor 15 mentioned he BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT. and the word SPIRITUAL in greek means BELONGING TO A SPIRIT
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Del and his use of the word CONTEXT.
Logic and Del have never being formally introduced. He bandies about the word CONTEXT , but has no idea what it means.
There's a new book coming out called " The Man who knew nothing" an autobiography of Del the JW.
It talks about Del not learning anything from his childhood until present day. One reviewer wrote, Del was always sitting in the corner, muttering things to himself, never capable of completing a coherent thought." Another wrote " Del thought 2 Gods always equalled 1 God, Del couldn't do Math and Del was fixated on 1= 3 and 3=1. We all loved Del but has didn't love us back, Del called us liars, even to people he had never met. A very strange lad" Del also had a an unnatural fear of Rice Bubbles, he thought the snap crackle and pop was a sign Armageddon was prophecy being fulfilled during his breakfast times. A very peculiar individual is our Del.
@@RowanTasmanian Be careful that you don't let him bring you to his level with the insults...
Mormons don't think most will be dammed if they lived before 1830... not even the lds teach that! But just a few minutes ago you said Mormons are Universalists...?? Confused how they can be both.
You all seem to forget that Jesus saves only if his father allows it. And his father only allows right hearted person the key to understanding what the bible teaches. People can tear down the literature by the JW organization all they want but if they have no idea what the bible teaches their effort is in vain. (Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.
(Matthew 13:13) That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it.
While it is Jehovah's intent to resurrect both the righteous and unrighteous he fully intends to extinguish the wicked and treacherous for eternity.
Are you saying right hearted people are those who accept the Watchtower teachings, and don’t test them to see if they align with scripture?
They are wicked the elders denied the truth when it’s shown to them it’s frustrating but it must happen
Jesus is not God
@@scottgrey2877 please tell me who is your God
@@Letlove021 My God is material a man the Father of Jesus
@@scottgrey2877 I’m confused don’t mean to be rude , “ your God is material “?!
@@scottgrey2877 I have a question for you who is everything created suppose to give glory to and worship?!
“Honest Hearted Ones”? People they are able to dupe into buying a timeshare in their promised Paradise Earth 😂
John 6:44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him,
God knows the hearts of people. Those with honest hearts who are open to teaching are drawn BY GOD to Jesus.
Acts 13:48.....and all those who were rightly disposed for everlasting life became believers.
Remember the FEW on the road to life (Matthew 7:14). JWs are the FEW.
However, JWs going house to house is a WITNESS work (Matthew 24:14). No one is converted by any JW. God does the converting.
Only ONE UNITED GROUP of Jesus' Disciples are God's people carrying out God's Will in these last days.
Others trying to attack and impede them was prophesied.
(Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.
People who have no clue what SAVED means trying to find fault with JWs who know??
There are two other men who were taken to heaven without death and they were Enoch and Elijah. When they try and say it’s not possible for Jesus to get into heaven in bodily form is not biblical and can be proven with these two examples of men who didn’t die and were taken to heaven
If Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven, how is it that Jesus was unaware of it?
Jesus who had come from heaven said:
(John 3:13) Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
Even Jesus couldn't go to heaven when he was in human form. His form was changed to his angel spirit form when God brought Jesus back into existence (1 Peter 3:18, Acts 2:32).
That is how he could enter locked rooms and disappear at will.
@@jimjuri6490
Jesus was making reference to someone who was "lifted up" from the dead, and who therefore ascended into heaven (unlike Elijah and Enoch, who never died). The New Testament amplifies this meaning to include not only the physical ascension of the body of Jesus into heaven, but also to refer to Jesus as someone whose eternal life (which had first descended from heaven to become flesh) had died, when the body of Jesus was broken (from this eternal life and therefore separated), only to be reunited in the same PERSON in order to return (or ascend back) to heaven.
Jesus is not an angel. Angels cannot save you. Created beings cannot save you. Jesus is not a created being when he created ALL things. John 1:3 … again ALL things created through him and without him NOT ONE THING was made. He didn’t create himself. There is only ONE name (and it’s not Jehovah) given among men for which we can be saved and that’s Jesus. Acts 4:12. Not Michael. JESUS!
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Isaiah 9:6, Only the Jw's made him Prince of Peace, Jesus disowned church leader who serves two master, instead He brought them swords, all symbolical words made them confused, they know Jesus is the saviour, but they dont know whom He said, Fear Him, who can deztroy both, the body and the soul, Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6 /2nd,Kings 5:7, ,, theres no other gods apart from Jehovah, He kills and preserves life, He wound and he will heal, He brings down to the graves and He raises up , no one can rescue from his hands,,Jesus also said, I have spoken all words that will judge every individual,John 12: 44-48, ,,,And those who dont believe Abrahams god, will not raise up from graves, Mark, 12:26-27,
Isaiah 9:6, Only the Jw's made him Prince of Peace, ?????????????????????
Care to explain this accusation?
John 17:3
There..theres no need to add to this
Rev 7:9&10 repeats this is why ones survive the great tribulation ..thanking those responsible for their salvation !
Thanking PERSONS is the normal way of expressing appreciation.
The holy spirit was deliberately left out of this scene .
We need to ask ourselves why that was..
Because it’s not a definition of the Trinity but looking at father son who are responsible for the salvation of man. The Father from which Christ came and Christ who is God and man redeeming the world by his blood.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Father is a very interesting word.
What does it mean ?
Does it not mean LIFE GIVER ?
What does Son mean..other than coming from a father who has to be pre existing him..?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
There are good reasons why Jesus never referred to Jehovah as his twin
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Worth bearing in mind that in the book of Acts (20:28-30)the foretold apostasy took hold by the second century..which is precisely when the teaching of the trinity infiltrated the teachings of Christ.
Thr Pagan Roman Emperor Constantine presided over the council of Nicea..and it was then..then..that this teaching was adopted ..motivated by the desire to unify a pagan world of many Gods ..with the judaic Monotheistic God Yahweh whom Christs followers worshipped.
That prophecy was indeed fulfilled..apostasy took hold..and weeds took over the world field that Christ had sown with seed.
@@compositioncompilation Yes, Jesus was born of a woman, and his Father God. The incarnate word that who was with God and was God.
1914 there central doctrine is so easy to prove wrong and they will disfellow you when you show them jureslem never fell in 607 bce
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ACC TO TERTULLIAN - JESUS NEEDS AN AUTHOR TO BRING HIM INTO BEING - But if this same Wisdom is the Word of God, in the capacity of Wisdom, and (as being He) without whom nothing was made, just as also (nothing) was set in order without Wisdom, how can it be that anything, except the Father, should be OLDER, and on this account indeed NOBLER, than the Son of God, the only-begotten and first-begotten Word? Not to say that what is unbegotten is STRONGER than that which is BORN (this is Jesus) , and what is not made more powerful than that which is MADE ( JESUS) . Because that which did not require a Maker to give it existence, will be much more ELEVATED in rank than that which had an AUTHOR TO BRING IT INTO BEING (JESUS)
According to the Bible, Jesus is Jehovah (Rom 10:9-13), the one who created all things (Heb 1:10-12).
@@kevinfromcanada4379 the word CREATOR is never used for Jesus. and Jesus IS NOT Jehovah as Rom 10 quoted Joel 2 and it refers to Jehovah, who is OUR FATHER - Isa 63:16. Why you think the SON is the FATHER?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 to your comment: "the word CREATOR is never used for Jesus. and Jesus IS NOT Jehovah as Rom 10 quoted Joel 2 and it refers to Jehovah, who is OUR FATHER - Isa 63:16. Why you think the SON is the FATHER?"
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Does your version of the Bible say that a l l things, visible and i n v i s i b l e, were c r e a t e d by and f o r Jesus?
Did Paul spread an untruth about Jesus with this message?
Colossians 1,15-17 (NWT 1984 Edition)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn+ of all creation;
16 because by means of him a l l [other]* t h i n g s were c r e a t e d in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
A l l [other] t h i n g s have been c r e a t e d t h r o u g h him+ and f o r h i m .
17 Also, he is before a l l [other] t h i n g s and by means of him a l l [other] things were m a d e t o e x i s t,"
@@MR-gx3gc COL 1 uses the word EN- instrumentality And JESUS was used by GOD as an instrument and a channel of an ACT in the creation - DIA - CHANNEL OF AN ACT. so you twisted again ANTICHRIST!
@@Mr.DC3.1914 to your comment: "COL 1 uses the word EN- instrumentality And JESUS was used by GOD as an instrument and a channel of an ACT in the creation - DIA - CHANNEL OF AN ACT. so you twisted again ANTICHRIST!"
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I owe you a debt of gratitude for your very helpful hint. An Antichrist is someone who negates the true meaning of Jesus Christ.
In this sense, it must be remembered that Paul not only attributes to Jesus the universal achievement of creation, but also assigns him the role of beneficiary of the act of creation.
In this context, I feel obliged to broaden the scope of my questions accordingly.
1.) Is it appropriate or permissible to use the term "instrument" for Jesus, who is described as the "true beneficiary" of the act of creation?
2.) Does your version of the Bible say that a l l things, visible and i n v i s i b l e, were c r e a t e d by and f o r Jesus?
3.) Did Paul spread an untruth about Jesus with this message?
Colossians 1,15-17 (NWT 1984 Edition)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn+ of all creation;
16 because by means of him a l l [other]* t h i n g s were c r e a t e d in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
A l l [other] t h i n g s have been c r e a t e d t h r o u g h him+ and f o r h i m .
17 Also, he is before a l l [other] t h i n g s and by means of him a l l [other] things were m a d e t o e x i s t,"
Out of all the arguments, which one would you like me to destroy first ?
We went over a lot of arguments bro. Honestly I think that was my problem, jumped too many subjects, didn’t stay on topic and not enough scripture. But yeah, first time, I’ll get better.
If you want one topic, cover Jesus being a spirit creature in heaven, love to hear your take on that.
Jesus is LOVE... YOU CAN'T DESTROY the THRUTH....It was HERE BEFORE Charles Taze Russell and it was here before YOU.... NICE TRY...
YOU HIDE BEHIND YOUR FAKE NAME JUST LIKE THE TRANSLATORS OF THE NWT BOOK... COWARDLY MALES THAT IS A MARK OF A JW MALE...FROM THE BEGINNING...
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Thank you for your efforts and for your explanations. In my opinion, you addressed "the" crucial aspect in your presentation. The organization itself has stated in its literature that Jesus acts only as a mediator for the "anointed class." Below I provide you with another Watchtower article from 1984.
The crucial question, therefore, is who acts as a mediator for the vast majority of members of the Watchtower Society, since personal salvation necessarily presupposes or requires a mediator appointed by God.
When I confront Jehovah's Witnesses with this elementary question, I experience the same reaction again and again.
Jehovah's Witnesses are initially amazed by this information and then show great zeal to examine their organization's publications for more information on the subject, with the Jehovah's Witnesses in question coming to no other conclusion at the end of this process.
If, at the end of such a procedure, I ask the question whether, according to the tacit self-understanding of the Watchtower Society, the earthly instance of the "governing body" claims the function of mediator for the General Brotherhood, then a process of thoughtfulness is triggered in the individual member. However, I have not yet seen anyone who was determined to seriously discuss this question with one of the elders.
Was not the earthly priestly class an essential feature of the Old Covenant with the natural people of Israel? I regularly encourage Jehovah's Witnesses to address this issue.
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Watchtower Sept. 1 1984, Page 14
Lining Up With “Jehovah’s Mind” as Now Revealed
Jesus Christ sealed that promised “new covenant” with his own lifeblood when he died with a broken heart on the torture stake outside Jerusalem. The night before, when celebrating his last Passover supper with his faithful apostles in obedience to the Mosaic Law covenant, Jesus passed the cup of wine to them and gave a new significance to it by saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.” (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:23-26) In this way he became the Mediator of that new covenant, which proved to be a “better covenant” than the Mosaic Law covenant. (Hebrews 8:6; 9:11-28) So ever since he presented the value of his perfect lifeblood in heaven in 33 C.E. he has served as the Mediator for those disciples whom Jehovah God brings into the new covenant.-1 Timothy 2:5, 6.
@@isabellmariarobles1906 it is NOT TRUTH that JESUS IS POWERLESS to become a MAN AGAIN after his resurrection, so you think Jesus is powerless compared to OTHER ANGELS WHO CAN BECAME HUMANS AND ATE WITH ABRAHAM EVENTHOUGH JESUS IS A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?
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Was Yahweh lying when he stated to Moses ' THE LORD THY GOD IS ONE ?'
One, (echad) which can mean one group, like two shall be one flesh, or they shall be one nation.
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Like husband and wife cannot be the same person.. each with a seperate mind..who can choose to work alongside each other..or not..like that you mean ?
Yet..a husband and wife are not three people..they are two.
@@compositioncompilation One flesh = two persons. The are not the same person, I.e., the husband is not the wife.
One God = three persons. They are not the same person, I.e., the Father is not the Son or the Spirit.
How is this difficult to grasp?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 good point !
@@kevinfromcanada4379 trust Jesus expression..father and son
Have you ever read 1corinthians 15
If not you should
Yes. What’s your point?
@@LightoverDarkMinistryNot my point 11:06 , the Bibles point, if you don't understand what Paul is talking about then James 3:1 is for you
@@Beecup-kp2vr Acts 17:31 and 1 Timothy 2:5 says that Jesus is still a man. Also if he’s a high priest forever, always meditating, he needs to be a man.
Jesus is a glorified man, his immortal body is God woven, of “spirit” not of flesh. Many people make the mistake of seeing spirit and applying an essence or particle make up, but the context of 1 cor 15 is about being of the new body being superior, God made, not man made. There is no verse that says Jesus is a spirit creature.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
I'm sorry but where in the bible does it say he a glorified immortal god woven of spirit, man... ??
Also vs 5 does say he's a man but the very next vs, vs 6 says he gave himself a corresponding ransome for all. That was when he was a man, so that's why Paul is referring to him as a man, if you look at Galatians 1:1 (Before Paul writes Timothy) it says, Paul an Apostle neither from man nor through a man but through Jesus Christ. Who's mediating here ? Christ. Is he a man? No Not according to Paul, and just to let you know that he (Paul) can differentiate between a man and a spirit in vs 8 he writes But even if we ( man), or an angel (spirit) from heaven, preaches any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Vs 11-12
But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Is Jesus Christ a man? No, only in the historic sense, so the mediator in Galatians 3:20 is not a man, Hes not even a man in 1 Timothy 2:5-6 he's just referred to as a man who gave his life.
1 corinthians 15:45 He was raised up a spirit.
When his resurrected features are described in revelation 1and 2 they are almost identical to the other spirits described in Daniel
1 Corinthians 15:42-44, Philippians 3:21@@Beecup-kp2vr
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
Is a man going to judge the world? Yes or no?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
@@LightoverDarkMinistry 1 TIM6:16 - NO MAN , so no exception. and what is the CONTEXT OF 1 TIM 2:5? VERSE 6 shows THE NATURE OF JESUS WHEN HE GAVE HIS LIFE AS RANSOM, yes a MAN. when he went back to heaven he BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT - 1 Cor 15 mentions
@@Elroi3310 1 TIM6:16 - NO MAN , so no exception. and what is the CONTEXT OF 1 TIM 2:5? VERSE 6 shows THE NATURE OF JESUS WHEN HE GAVE HIS LIFE AS RANSOM, yes a MAN. when he went back to heaven he BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT - 1 Cor 15 mentions
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so Micheal the archangel is your mediator ?
My god, Islam puts more respect on Jesus' name than JWs do lmao. This is ridiculous
God is not three persons
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it is NOT TRUTH that JESUS IS POWERLESS to become a MAN AGAIN after his resurrection, so you think Jesus is powerless compared to OTHER ANGELS WHO CAN BECAME HUMANS AND ATE WITH ABRAHAM EVENTHOUGH JESUS IS A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?
Did the angels become human in Gen 18 or did they appear as humans?
Doesn't Gen 18 say that YHWH also appeared to Abraham?
Did he become a human or appear as a human?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Angels ARE SPIRITS and these spirits do not have flesh and bones, and they ATE with Abraham, so they are HUMANS, and gen 18:2 called them THREE MEN/HUMANS in Hebrew. can you eat a BULL without BONES/TEETH? and u think they ATE the BULL but did not actually eat them as the bull meat just fell down the ground?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Who says that angels cannot eat?
Gen 18 calls them men, Gen 19 calls them angles. So are they men or angels? Are they angels who appear as men?
Second, the text explicit says that YHWH appeared to Abraham. So did YHWH become a man?
Second,
@@kevinfromcanada4379 When Jesus appeared to his disciples and ATE with them, what did he say, A SPIRIT has no flesh and bones. GEN 18:2 TELLS us, THREE MEN/HUMANS , plain and simple, and yes they were called ANGELS so these angels become men. the sort of body of heavenly/spiritual beings are NOT the same as physical ones.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Jacob WRESTLED WITH AN ANGEL, CALLED MAN, so yes, this angel became a human being to be able to wrestle
REV 7:9-10 whom DO WE NEED FOR SALVATION? TWO PERSONS, GOD AND THE LAMB, so stop your lies
Del have you come to learn from a Monotheist.
It’s time to give up on your 2 Gods theory.
Mr LOD is a classic Monotheist. If you listen to what he says and what the Bible teaches you won’t be a Polytheist anymore.
So Del 2 Gods, are you willing to listen or continue with your pagan beliefs of 2 Gods.
@@RowanTasmanian GOD of gods - FROM THE BIBLE, and 1 cor 8:5-6 ONE GOD, THE FATHER ONLY, AND there are those so-called gods, ALL FROM THE BIBLE AND YOU REJECTED THEM, TYPICAL FROM AN ANTICHRIST LIKE YOU! REPENT ANTI CHRIST AND PERVERT PERSON WHO WANTS TO HAVE 3 WIVES instead of ONE!
Only one person the only name by which we are saved which is Jesus . So stop with your lies
John 1:1 says “theos” *is with* “ton theon”. So, one deity *is with another* deity.
@@ericbulman1752 who is lying? I agree. Jesus is the Saviour. J think this was meant for Mr D C1. The WT is his Saviour. Apology accepted.
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.