I BOUGHT A Dodge Dart The BIGGEST Automotive FLOP Of The Last 20 Years
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2021
- There's one modern car you see everyday, yet wonder how any of them exist in the first place, and that's the new Dodge Dart. This car sold horribly, Fiat Chrysler couldn't wait to cancel it, and they lost money on the program. While it was a flop, it is a car, one that checks all the boxes of basic transportation. The new Dodge Dart just wasn't particularly good at anything so buyers passed it over for any other competitor in the compact market. I needed to see what all the fuss was about, so I bought this 2013 Dodge Dart SXT powered by the 2.0L. We're going to fix this cheap sedan up, clean it up, and get it back out on the road.
MERCH: shopWatchJRGo.com
Shop Motul: motul.com
---------------------------------------------------------------
Common Questions:
What motorcycle do I ride? A few. Ducati 1198, Honda Goldwing, Honda Grom, Honda Ruckus
What do I do for a living? Make RUclips videos.
Can you wheelie? No, I suck.
Are you fast? Sort of. I suck mostly though.
Where can I keep up with you off the bike?
Instagram: WatchJRGo
Facebook: WatchJRGo (or JRGo, FB hates my branding)
Do you go to school? College, for 2 classes.
Why do you ride so dangerously? What do mean? I was doing 25.
Do you go to the track? Of course, hopefully there will be videos in the future.
Do you play video games? No, but I might stream N64 Goldeneye at some point. Twitch: WatchJRGo
Are you afraid the police will watch your videos and arrest you? Something something evidence something something warrants and due process of law
#DodgeDart #CheapCar #FiatViaggio 
Авто/Мото
If they would've made a SRT version of this to compete with the focus ST, golf GTI, civic si, I think that would have really helped sales. Even if someone couldn't afford the SRT version, having an aspirational model could have drawn in people.
SRT version would have been stellar.
They had a GT model with a Manual and dope exhaust trip. Closest thing.
@@MrVnick1 they looked decent, especially with the hood scoop
It would have burned oil even faster & been even more unreliable
@@olikat8 yes. But they would have sold regardless.
Unpopular opinion but I have always loved the looks of this car. I saw it at the LA car show and thought it was a cool looking car. I can't speak to the reliability or performance but from a looks perspective I thought this was such a good looking car compared to the neon it replaced.
I love this car as well and still would love to purchase one. Fun fact, I hated the Dodge Neon.
@@purpaidh the corrolla of this era had 106 hp.
The first gen Neons looked pretty good, especially the 2 door coupe like I had for years. They still have a loyal following today and handled much better than they should have so many autocross them and they do well in their class. Parts used to be cheap and easy to find too.
Typical Italian car. Might look good but has 0 durability
@@olikat8 basically all Chrysler products
I had a 2016 Dart. It had no spare tire because apparently it saved fuel, lol. Not a terrible car, I had no major issues with it at all. Just because it didn't sell well doesn't mean everyone hated them. I honestly thought it looked really good.
Me too! In yes my Dodge Dart SXT has been a very reliable car with the 2.4 Liter MuitiAir Tigershark engine!
Also currently have a 2016 I bought in 2017 with 6k miles, I've had zero issues with it aside from regular maintenance. It's be extremely reliable for me so far.
@@johnbeckham1483I just got muiltiaire turbo SXT is a good i don’t know anything about it is a 2013 w 117,000 miles
90% of dodge darts are still on the road today! The other 10% actually made it back home.
Lol!
Lmfaoo
10% are here, in Ukraine
😂🤣😆
I bought 2 of them they were good cheap transportation. Both have 90,000 plus no problems.
I worked at a Dodge Dealer when these were new, and I kinda liked them.They were cheap and decent. So many people came in buying them for their kids first car. I wish there were still cheap decent cars...
My 2014 Dodge Dart SXT has been a very reliable automobile! So much better than the Dodge Neon!
@@johnbeckham1483 the 2.0 engine is from the neon. Its just an updated version of the DOHC 2.0 from the R/T
Damn. I didn’t realize there are no more “cheap decent” cars anymore. That’s crazy.
I just got a used one with 40k miles as my second car, its not great but it beats my 2003 Cavalier any day.
@@Allendude51 the best cheap car you can get in the states is the Kia Rio or the Hyundai Accent. They dont even have the accent here anymore. They now have the cheap ugly "SUV" Venue. 1.6 120 hp of fwd garbage. They detuned it from 138 hp in the Rio and Accent from 2013-2018. Those are the best to get. The accent hatchback with the 6 speed will 0-60 in 7.3 seconds. Or if you can find a forte koup the 2010-13 has a 2.4 6 speed but the 2014-17 is lighter and makes the same hp with the 2.0 GDI 174 hp. The 2.4 will go to 60 in 7 seconds and the 2.0 will do it in 6.8 seconds. You can get both for very cheap. Then there's the 1.6T koup and hatch you can get too or the veloster turbo and the elantra sport which is now the elantra N line. You can get a nice N line with the dual clutch for 30 grand canadian. The only thing comparable is the civic si sedan and thats like 35 grand canadian
As a FCA technician in a dealership when these came out, the insane amount of electrical issues these would come in with was crazy. Pretty much every tech tried to avoid these like the plague!
Is that because of the wiring breaking down? Or just shooty engineering ?
Strange since the Fiat 500 has been rock solid, and they’re similar under the hood.
@@tdrewman Defiantly not wiring break down as they were new cars at the dealership, there was just a lot of bus communication codes and many many check engine lights related to the communication codes
@@seanwieland9763 I believe the interior bus communication was new or unique on the dart, that seemed to the a lot of the issues.
@@seanwieland9763 the only Dart that shares parts and engine with the Fiat was the one with the 1.4 turbo Multiair. Same engine as the Abarth 500.
this car wasn't a flop, they just ended it's production after 4 years, mine still runs like the day I got it, only replaced an oil pressure sensor so far, I absolutely love my Dart, maybe the 2 lower trim models weren't the best... but this is the most mod-able car in existence.
Yup i still have my 2016 gt model. Zero issues other than the thermostat going out. Still going strong in 2024. Daily driven
I put 265k on my Dart before a guy failed to yield and made a left turn into my driver side and totaled it!!
I have a Dodge Dart and so far (for me) it’s been a great car, I haven’t had any crazy problems with it, I worked at a lube shop and at an Autozone and haven’t experienced nearly the level of problems that other cars that are supposedly better than mine have had.
Proper maintenance does wonders. Bad owners make bad cars.
@@WoodLox also poorly engineered and rushed cars such as this one
I have to agree with you as well. I have a 2016 Dart Aero and it works like a charm and have had absolutely no issues
@@brianwalters9703 do you have the racetrack taillight?
@@somecrazyveteran yes, don’t they all come with them?
Friend of mine bought a Dart new in 2014, and it's been a great car. Well over 100k on it now and only had to do basic maintenance and replace a stuck front brake caliper. They were aimed at a younger market so they included some things like a large touch screen, LED lights, nice interior lighting etc, but had very cheap feeling materials inside with lots of hard plastic. Surprising yours doesn't have Bluetooth, my friends has both Bluetooth and XM. The engines were a bit noisy and unrefined, and with the cheap interior materials I'm not surprised they didn't sell as well as the foreign equivalents even though they were all more expensive!
I bought one new in 2013. I still have it. No major problems. On trips I get up to 45mpg. I liked using the name dart over neon. And I like the tail lights going all the way across.
Love the taillights! 💯
In the same boat 2014 GT model. No major issues to speak even when it was under warranty it only was in a few time for little things. Only issue that keeps popping up is the Windshield’s washer nozzles break internal.
@@Wayne_S I have had the same issue with the washer nozzles. I have broken 2 sets.
Wow, sounds like you really got lucky! Definitely wasn’t built on a Friday, and by someone who took pride in their job!
Did they get the inspiration from the charger?
I really liked the Dart, dynamically probably one of the best small cars ever. I think part of why they didn't sell well is the earliest ones literally fell apart in your hands, but a lot of that was fixed in the later cars
yep. i have a 2013 and its a borderline lemon even at 56k miles lightly used. As you said most of the stuff that broke got fixed later. Lesson learned: never ever buy a new model in its first model year lol.
Mine's a 2013 and apart from the track lights having a few burnt bulbs, a bad AGS and a broken sun visor, there's not much wrong with it really. Only 70,000 miles though
@@danr154yeah, I agree.. I got my 2013 1.4T Rallye at 65,000 and after one year and 30,000 miles it’s already been in the shop six times for various power-related issues.. and worse yet it still is giving me issues with backfire, throttle response, power distribution and it’s got a bastard of a bucking to it under any acceleration greater than a feather-push of the pedal. I could see this car being a good car BRAND NEW but the early years certainly fall apart long before 100k which in todays world where cars shouldn’t have major issues til well-into 100k is pretty frustrating.
I currently own a 2014 Dodge Dart with a 2.4l six auto (Rallye Edition). Like anyone who owns one, I can tell you I really don't understand how this car was overlooked. For one, they are still on the road! Also, they practically have every essential thing you need in a modern car. And if you want to add performance or stand out, there are aftermarket companies that make parts for each engine. It may not be the fastest, but it is still a fun car to drive and build nevertheless.
A lot of non maintenance parts are already becoming difficult to get a hold of.
@@jonasjung7501 every Manufacturer is dealing with this, including the company I work for, Nissan. Production is not what it was prior to the Pandemics.
I have the same one bro. I love it.
@@Deathnote0-_-0 I work for an auto repair facility, although yes you’re correct other manufacturers are running into this it’s far worse for Dodge Darts/Chrysler 200s than almost anything else.
@@jonasjung7501that’s one of the reasons I’m happy to have the 1.4. The engine is still used in newer cars like the 124 Spider so I should be able to find parts for a while still
I remember a younger car youtuber hating the new Dart, they said something like "The old dart was this crazy fast muscle car and the new one is just this boring little 4-door sedan".
Which cracked me up to no end. Yes there were crazy fast Darts like the rare Hemi Darts, but the VAST majority of the old Darts were boring 4-door sedans.
I love the old darts BTW, I'm a 25 yr old and I've been dailying my beige 4-door '73 Plymouth Valiant with a slant six for around 6 years now.
Yup! People in this comment section seem to forget that and just concentrate on the GTS Darts and 340 Swingers. There were not muscle cars.
@@21Piloteer Yeah. Most of them were like my Valiant.
Slow and cheap but dependable, reliable, and really easy to fix and maintain.
My first car (in 1994) was a 1975 dodge dart 4 door sedan with the venerable Slant-Six. Drove it til the springs came through the trunk.
Yep, a lot were slant 6's and 318's. Some were 360's. Some were police cars ('75-'76). You could/can do a lot with them. They were reliable & cockroach- tough. The new one? None of that
slant 6's run forever!
My dad absolutely hates them because he says they’re quote “an affront to the original dart that was an awful car in the first place”
This is 1000% the opinion of all boomers. They can’t stand when car names get recycled 😂
@@WatchJRGo honestly I agree with him. It doesn’t look anything like the old one
I can see that, it's like the new Eclipse being an SUV. It's just not the same spirit as the original but makes sense marketing-wise since the names themselves are well established.
@@kennorcott7074 that's the point though, that's what modernization is.
@@WatchJRGo Recycling names, like a Mustang Mach-E, or a Corvette SUV...
I worked for a CDJR dealership back when this car was being launched. I remember going to the press launches and demo drives… it was a pretty big affair. They really thought they had a big hit on their hands. Then they hit the ground and we started selling them… and all hell broke loose.
Also, it was 2018 for mandated backup cameras…
I heard 2019 it was mandated
i thought it was 2016 actually but yea I do appreciate that a pos economy car has 8 inch info screen and a backup camera lol.
@@danr154 they got started on the legislation in 2017, became law in May 2018… which could’ve affected 2018 and 19 models depending on when they rolled off the assembly line
I’m member of a car club here in Tucson (Obsessions) and was a judge at our last end of the month car show. A Dart ended up winning Best Modern. It was a narrow category but the work that was put into the car was really impressive. I almost bought a leftover ‘16 Dart GT in 2017 but the Multiair problems scared me away. I do have a soft spot for these cars, a big reason why I pushed hard for the Dart
The guy who killed Dodge/Chrysler.... Sergio Marchionne said: "I can tell you right now that both the Chrysler 200 and the Dodge Dart, as great products as they were, were the least financially rewarding enterprises that we've carried out inside FCA in the last eight years," adding "I don't know one investment that was as bad as these two were."
I had a 15 200S and loved it. Though it seemed like the car was cursed. An update they did on its first service caused the infotainment system to not work correctly(restarted every 30 seconds) and took over a month for them to get me a new system in after telling me it would be a day or two. A tech dropped the wheel during a tire rotation because and dealer instead of ordering a new wheel tried to have it refinished which the color was not the same as the others and after another attempt to correct they curbed the wheel putting a tire on and tried to put grease on the rim to make it look dirty and finally I said just fix it and get it right and they did. Then the hood (not even 2 yrs) began to rust from within. I loved the car, never truly let me down but damn it had issues. The 3.6 was a great mover too and why I chose it over the fusion and the mileage during trips was very good. I traded because I got a chance to get a dream car before they were sold here in the states, a 2015 500 Abarth. Which was a terrific car during its stay with me.
Lady at work and her husband were huge chrysler/dodge fan boys and they purchased a Chrysler 200. It was a lemon. The transmission was sooo bad. It was in the shop the first 3 months they owned it. They had it for a year and traded it in for something else.
@@Nikephorus yeah when I went in for my scheduled services the techs would always say they wanted to scan the car because of the 9 speeds having problems. I had mine just over 2yrs and never had a single issue with the trans though. Granted in that 2 years I only drove it less than 25k miles or so. Couple of big trips too.
Still have my 15 200s been to the dealer once for warrenty work but it's also a 3.6 which had fewer problems than the multi-air
The Dart looked downright bland to me
However, the 200 was the total opposite. Sleek, sexy and Euro looking! It was everything the Dart wasn't. I was saddened when I heard Dodge decided to drop that car too.
This brings back some memories. I remember seeing it at the New York International Auto Show when the Dart first launched. I was in college at the time, so wasn't in the market but I liked the concept. I think a lot of the marketing played off people's memories of the original Dart. Was never meant to be a sporty car, just a point A to point B commuter. If they actually marketed it as an affordable commuter I think it'd still be around today.
I had a 2013 2.0L Rallye edition with a 6MT and dual exhaust. It was fun to drive and got decent gas mileage (35 hwy). The main issue was that water runoff from the roof and windshield flowed under the hood to the strut mounts for the front wheels and rusted them out, creating a creaking noise when turning. I had the mounts replaced and sealed, but the noise came back a couple thousand miles later. Likely another casualty of being rushed to market.
The 2013 Dodge Dart GT I test drove had an LCD screen for the gauges, with the ability to select various gauge cluster formats. Quite a selling point, but not enough to compete with the superior performance and handling of the Focus ST.
The GT didn't come out til 2015
@@Turshin Nope, it came out in 2013. It was originally going to be called the R/T but -IIRC- that name was dropped because they wanted the R/T moniker to be put on a sportier version of the car. With that said, the GT was a late-availability model (but not 2015 late).
@@CodysCarConundrum yep you're right. I had to remember that I was waiting for an SRT, so in the mean time o got a 2.4 rallye. I got the SRT(that never came out) mixed up with the GT. My bad.
1. It’s a Dodge
2. They couldn’t even make an SRT4 version
Could have stopped at point one.
I think with a stronger SRT package, some fun trim options, this would've been a hit.
but DEATH 💀of sedans???
They were coming out with a GT 2.4 with 205 hp but the model was cancelled. They should have had that from day 1. They should have also had a 1.4T GT option with over 200 hp bedause that little 1.4T abarth engine can easily make 300 hp with bolt ons and a tune. Also they did have plans to eventually put the 3.2 pentastar into the car or the new 2.0T hurricane as SRT option but again it was cancelled.
@@chrishuber8930 I want this car but I can’t decide if I should become a web developer or a electrician
@@Albert-xl3nx what?? Lol
As you said it's good basic everyday transportation. A good first car for a new driver or a good second car for a family to have for trips to the store and local chores. Looking forward to seeing what you have planned for it.
I had a 2013 Limited and it was a very nice small car. Very well equipped for an inexpensive car. Had issues with the touchscreen though - was really glad to have the extended warranty because I made a lot of claims - all for the touchscreen.
I bought a 10 years old 1974 Dart when I turned 16 for $400 and drove it for 4 years before I joined the military, my friends still talk about this car 35b years later. This is still my favorite car of all time because it was my first and paid with my newspaper route money.
Slant 6 225 had no power but would run till tranny wore out.
Depending on the up keep. That car could be running today.
@@Rick-ls6zo agreed, but for a 16 years old kid, it was plenty of power!
@@tdrewman had to send it to the scrapyard when I joined the military as my parents were moving and no place to keep it, they gave me more money than I paid for it!
That thing has alot of storage and features that are actually usable and stuff I'd be in love with. I'm impressed actually. I didn't think it would have half what it had. Very nice
I had the Chrysler 200 version as a rental in 2015 and was quite impressed with it. It got great fuel economy, was the best highway car I've ever driven and did everything I asked of it. It's one of the few cars I've ever driven that would breeze past 400 miles on a tank with around 1/4 left. I still think they're great cars that were lost on the public.
So as you all know this was a shitty year to buy a car and unfortunately my hundai Elantra got flooded and was totaled so I went to the used car dealership and picked up a 2015 Dodge Dart GT that has custom black rims and 37k miles on it for $18k. (All the other cars I wanted were like $25k.) The guy who sold me the car said he weary of mechanical issues because the dart had a lot of them. I did 0 research before buying the car but I really like it. It’s fun to drive and has a nice interior that includes alpine speakers. Pretty much everything I was looking for in a car. I just pray to god it doesn’t fuck up down the road. Thank you for the informative video!
The first one of these I ever saw was Thanksgiving weekend while driving to the in-laws.
I was on I-90 near Madison Wisconsin and it was sleeting.
A bright red one with Florida plates and a Enterprise sticker was weaving through traffic.
Apparently the driver didn't realize the bridges and overpasses freeze first.
He hit a bridge covered in black ice.
He lost control and spun around hitting the front and rear and the slid into the guardrail and took out the passenger side.
Not a car I would be interested in owning but they certainly hold up pretty well in a crash. The driver got out and was leaning up against the guardrail smoking a cigarette and told the police showed up.
Was trolling my local junkyard looking for Pontiac parts and found one of these with the front end absolutely destroyed, looked like smashed Legos. The front was essentially gone. Cabin looked perfectly intact. Agree that these seem to hold up very well in a crash.
I worked in paint dept of the Dart, same plant that made the Jeep Patriot & compass. Now they make Cherokees there, which are built on the same frame as a Dart.
You guys back to work yet?
I bought my son a 2013 base model Dart with the manual transmission. Loved it. 42 mpg hwy. Comfortable ride and seats. Sadly parted with it in favor of a 4wd because of the Ohio winters. Two trouble free years of driving….
Did he used dedicated winter tires?
I loved my 2013 Dart SXT! It had the 1.4T, manual, sunroof… all the things I loved, even loved the style! Pretty sure the turbos in them were Chinesium tho, everyone I knew who had one had issues.
I actually have a grey 13 with the 2.0 as my daily. It works and gets me around, the girl who owned it before me didn't take care of it very well, needed alot of clean-up when I bought it with 75xxx but I'm up to 130xxx and havnt had any issues with it so far, just regular service stuff and gas.
That’s good that you haven’t had any problems with it. My family and I have one, a 2016 SXT. The only problem we had with it was there was a recall 2 years ago in 2020. Today, when I try to turn the Dart on, it was taking awhile to turn on. At first, it didn’t want to turn on. The second time, it did turned on. I’m thinking it’s the battery but we’ll see. If it doesn’t turn on tomorrow morning when I go to work, we’re gonna have to take it to Stateline to see what’s up with it. Hopefully, it won’t be nothing major.
have you changed the plugs?
@@officerspooder we did last year around March. It was the battery that we needed to change. It works now. It will probably need spark plugs changed when I take it for next service.
In the day, I owned a 1964 Dodge Dart with that 225 slant six. Great little car in the day for economy, and I loved the way it looked different than other cars. That slant six was so smooth, and vibration free, a real pleasure to drive.
We had a 64 GT which we loved and hated to get rid of but we did. It had the push button automatic. One of the guys I worked with at the dealership had an aluminum intake for it, when I put the 4 barrel on it, that car came alive. I think the officer liked it as well the first time I drove it to work, the ticket was for about 20 mph less than what I had seen on the speedometer.
@@albany222 Cool, my car also had the push button automatic. Yours had to be a real sleeper(way faster than it looked). I had heard of people in the racing community doing exactly what you did, with the same results, wicked fast. I never got a chance to try that with mine, but I sure did want to. Cool cars for sure.
@@albany222 my son just bought his 1st car, a '78 volare funrunner with the 225 super six and 2 brl carb. set up. He absolutely loves it and so do I. Great on gas, super reliable and easy to work on. He's in his 1st year mechanic course and it's a perfect vehicle for him to learn to work on.
The first car I ever drove was a 1965 Dodge dart 170 slant-six with the 3-speed on the column manual transmission. I still have my 2015 Dart GT 6-Speed Manual and still love driving it. So, I can actually say the first car I ever drove was a Dart and the last car I ever drove was a Dart.
We own a 2015 dart and its been hammered with 200,000 miles and im just now replacing front end components and its still running strong with the 2.0L
I was about to say, my 2014 Dodge Dart Aero gets 52 MPG, has a turbo, and a 6 Speed Manual Transmission. Love this car, I rallye it, race it, and daily it and it does amazing.
Not to mention but if they would've maybe added a coupe V6 that's probably where the sales would've been at.
The best part of the dart is all the extra 1.4s that now exist for us Abarth owners
aha never thought of that. well as a dart owner who hates this oil leaking pos engine.....you are welcome lol.
This is going to be awesome! I've owned my 2013 Dart SE since new and I got it cheap(for a brand new car). It has been ultra reliable and the only issues I've had were a bad O2 sensor and a bad slave cylinder (I have the manual 6 speed). If the O2 sensors go only buy the factory replacement NTK sensors, the Bosch sensors will continue to give CELs and cause fits with the car.
Can't wait to see what you do to it. Mine is that same color, called Redline by Dodge, and it will really impress you when clean. It actually has some gold flake in the paint and in the bright sunlight it looks awesome. The headlights do suck but upgrading them to LEDs helps a lot.
Yeah I think these are actually underestimated in terms of reliability... Only the 2.0L and 2.4L Tigershark drivetrains though. I think the 1.4L MultiAir drivetrains from Fiat were unreliable.
@@Stressless2023 yeah, mine is the 2.0 Tigershark engine and while it isn't the most powerful engine with the 6 speed manual it's pretty fun to drive and I consistently get 30mpg and I haven't had a major problem with it yet and I have over 120K on it.
@Toad I also upgraded my headlights to LED. You are correct, it makes the world of difference!!
@@toad7487 They are good cars keep doing the maintenance I have a Dodge intrepid with a 3.5 v- 6 almost 400,000 miles on it. Keep all the filters changed and run one qt of Lucas in it every oil change.
@@christopherekin1747 just got a used 2016 Dodge Dart rallye. Only 45k miles. Any advice to keep it lasting as good as you?
I had a 2013 1.4T Manual Dart and the only issues I had during my 7 years of ownership was with the turbo and ignition coils. Luckily, I bought an extended warranty, so I didn't have to pay for it. It was a great value for the price.
I had a 2015 rallye trim, bought it off my dad who bought it new. We both loved the car. Drove nice, looked cool, and pretty nice interior. Always like how it has the same LED tail lights as the Charger and Durango. Unfortunately sold it a few months ago cause it started to have issues with the multiair module :(
I always thought the Dart looked really good particularly in the middle trim levels.
I believe it's one of the earlier Dodges to have that bar style tail light going all the way across and may have even predated the charger and Challenger with that design.
One of the trims you could get a full LCD instrument panel which at the time was really unusual. I was always under the impression that it didn't sell well because it was unreliable and they were quite a few issues with that Fiat multi-air system. Also electrical problems I think. The other thing I remember hearing was that compared to some of the other small cars in the segment the back seat room was pretty bad.
The Dart was the second model to have the racetrack taillights like that. The first was -funnily enough- the 2011 Dodge Charger.
I own a Dart and yea back seats are useless for adult males. And the 1.4 T FIAT motor has indeed been an oil leaking piece of crap that stutters under hard acceleration. The reverse lockout cable broke, the shifter bushings broke. All by 55k miles. Terrible car. I try to like it and every time I start to feel better about it some new 700 dollar problem pops up and Im super over it. Gets unimpressove gas mileage for such a small turbo engine. 23-24 in tbe city big whoop every car does that.
Man, it's been a while since I've lusted after these! Wanted one ever since they came out! The looks were especially killer with the completely blacked out front fascia (available on Rallye and GT models).
Just 2 notes:
-The Fiat Viaggio was based on the Dart first, not the other way around. The Dart was developed from the Alfa Romeo Giuletta (and thus the Viaggio after that).
-The Dodge Neon in Mexico is not related to the Dart. The Neon in Mexico is based on FIAT's own small car known as the Tipo. If you look at interior shots of the Tipo and the Dart you'll see how different the two are.
The Dart in Mexico I thought had the same body? But the engine was super anemic. Something like a 1.2L non-turbo or something like that.
I actually did own one. Mine as a 2016 GT with the 2.4L Multiair and the Hyundai 6 speed auto. I was quite pleased with it. They were a little buzzy due to the Hyundai short gearing in the final. Beyond that, it was comfortable for long distances. Mine was hit by a Toyota Tundra and came within a whisker of being totalled. After it was fixed, I got rid of it before the accident could show up on carfax. I miss it sometimes. Definitely an underrated car.
I love my 2013 Dart II Rallye with the 2.0 liter and 6-speed automatic transmission. I average 32 mpg combination hwy and city driving. On a 3,000 mile trip I reached 42 mpg on the highway. The only problem was the low profile tires which don't like Midwest potholes.
Doesn’t sound like it was a flop at all ! Lol. Love your knowledge, and the way you explain things. You got me, I liked and subscribed.
A few years ago I needed to rent a car, Enterprise gave me a Dart, which I felt was fairly decent transportation. I returned it but then found out that I would need to rent a car for another 24 hours. This time I got an Elantra, of the two I preferred the Dart. C&D and CR " killed " this car's chances, IMHO, by constantly harping on the safety and infotainment " doodads " it lacked...calling it subpar. I might have bought one with a manual transmission if I could have found one, not that the automatic transmission was in any way bad.
In 2013, I leased a 2013 Dodge Dart from Budget for $150 and drove from Merrilville IN to Cherry Hill NJ.
I liked the car -- smooth, quiet, no issues.
34 mpg flat land, 28 mpg hills @ 65 to 70 mph.
I had a 2013 dart sxt and definitely one of the most reliable and dependable cars in my fleet at the time. What I heard was they had electrical issues like the headlight connect burning out sometimes, and being cheaper cars most people who bought them didn’t take care of them.
I’ll never forget I went to test drive one of the GT models brand new in like 2012 and when I went to check out the back seat, the door handle just popped right off. Drove back to the dealership and told them to have a great day.
lol dam no bueno
I drove a ton of these when I worked in rental, I think every one of the had the non-multiair 2.0L. Two things stuck out to me: they are very boring and heavy feeling, and the electrics are an absolute nightmare. We would have 3 or 4 Darts a night that would pop their own trunks due to faulty electrics and had permanent CELs. On the plus side, I personally kinda like how they look.
JR, I have the 13 dart Rallye with the 1.4 turbo and the 6 speed manual.
I love it…… mostly.
I daily drive it, and it’s really fun grinding through the gears with the turbo kicking in.
Once the leaks were taken care of, the engine has been rock solid for me.
The touch screen works when it wants to.
Mine has Bluetooth, which works most of the time.
Over all, I love my quirky little car!
I have a 2017 Charger and had the same issue with the headlights! But if they are the same projector headlights as mine they adapt well to either an HID kit, or LED replacements.
I have a 13 dart gt with the 2.4/6 speed manual and I love it has been good to me so far, can't compete with a srt4 but still fun
"Horrible, this idea" - most gearheads, after the Dart was announced, shortly after the Fiat merger (probably)
Not true. The SUS underpinnings were the only thing from the merger. That and the 1.4T engine which is a little gem. Other than that its all chrysler.
I owned 2 of them, personally. My first was a 2013 SXT. Seemed to be pretty loaded for an SXT. Bluetooth, Sirius XM, remote start, fog lights. It was a "special" edition, apparently. Then a 2016 GT. Never any issues with either of them. My sister now has my 2016 and has only had to replace a blower motor. Would've gotten a brand new one, had they continued making them. Very sad to see them go. They missed a huge opportunity by not going through with the SRT plans.
I actually currently own a 2013 dodge dart SXT Rally. Its been a great car so far, I had to put some parts in it and still got one more thing to put in but all in all its been a great starter car for me and it does exactly what I need it to do.
Hell yeah brother. Dart gang
I thought the Dart was sharp looking inside/out and I wanted there to be another SRT built on it. But the platform was a disaster so I don't know how good it would really have been. I miss my 04 SRT-4, I regret selling it.
My 2nd cousin bought the last year srt 4 neon (red) 2005 I think and I loved that car. I remember the day he got it he came to show it off to me. His mother (my first cousin) had a 1995 bone stock neon (green) it definitely was not no srt lol
I had a 2005 srt4. Drove it past 200k miles and sold it. Sometimes I think that. Then I remember it was a dodge with 200k miles.
The platform was very good. darts may not have had big turbo power but they handled miles better than the competition.
As good as this car looked, what kept me from buying one was the fact that there were no 2 door models offered. My 1st (and last) Neon was the 99 R/T coupe. I had it repainted in Platinum Metallic with the ghost R/T stripes.
No resemblance whatsoever to the legendary Darts of the past , which were among the most overbuilt cars ever...mine went hundreds of thousands of miles trouble-free.
Those were the only Darts for me.
I just bought a 98 r/t earlier this year. Doing a 2.4 swap. I've also owned a 2014 Dart rallye with the 2.4. basically a GT minus all the leather, spoiler, and 18' wheels. That car could handle very well in stock form and that 2.4 had some serious punch for an NA 4 banger.
2013 1.4 Limited checking in. 126k miles and going strong! My car has the C635T transmission which is the same one in the Alfa 4C. I love this car. It’s got all the options like heated seats/steering wheel, sunroof, touchscreen and the digital dash, backup cam, Bluetooth etc. Everything functions perfectly, interior has held up great.
I recently installed an Injen Cold Air system, which relocated the intake to the bumper, because I wanted more turbo noise.
I average 36-42 MPG to and from work and have had zero major issues in 7 years of ownership. The 1.4 sounds phenomenal as well which makes the car feel like it has character.
I do not understand why this car didn’t do well. It seems like even in your review you liked the car. Everyone that’s ridden in my Dart is surprised at how comfortable it is.
It makes me sad they didn’t do well because I love mine.
what’s amazing to me is i NEVER see these on the road anymore. i live in souther cali and they’re totally missing for how new-ish they are. they strait up disappeared overnight.
This car had potential, I guess it was still during the time Dodge was building their name where it is at today. This may work as a crossover in today's market, but with how competitive the market is Dodge should just keep their 4 vehicle line up lol
I liked the ones that came with the 1.4 Multiair. Although much heavier than the Abarth it was a good engine.
is it? cause i have one and it leaks oil so bad have had to replace the valve cover gasket twice. To me its just another stereotype of Fix It Again Tony.
I think the 2.4 multiair is the best engine they put in these. No point in a turbo with an engine as small as a 1.4l tbh.
I drove my 2004 Dodge Neon for 12 years never left me stranded alongside the road once! 250,000 miles! Miss that car
I bought the same color. I had the 13’ SE with 6speed manual. It was a great commuter car. I got about 40mpg. The BT module was replace a week after I bought it. Other than that i had no problems until 5 years later. Sometimes when it got cold the clutch pedal would get stuck and blower motor caused a money light to turn on. I put about 120k on it before I sold it.
There were several reasons why it failed - too many options, when it first came out only in manual.. They are not reliable as a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic
I had an 03 Neon, was a great car, don't know why Dodge didn't just stick with it and improve it over the years, instead of what they ended up doing.
I worked at the place that made the dashboard for the neon we ran 3 shifts 7 days a week to keep up sent 300 a day to Mexico also then we got the Dart 2 and production went to one shift almost a part time job. It did have a nicer dashboard than the neon (foam padded instead of hard plastic)
I have a 2014 Sxt Rallye 2.4 multiair with 157k and alot of options it's not too bad. Change your oil properly and the multiair brick isn't a problem. I also swapped in the 7inch tft gauge cluster on mine with a transmission tune that wakes the Hyundai powertech up.
I had a 2013 SKT like yours.... loved it and drove it 500 miles per tank to 120K miles. Only issue I had was the rear wheel bearings went every 40K. Loved the race track light on the trunk. Then bought a 2016 SE and found some dislikes. A .5 gallon smaller tank is one. Went from 500 to 400 per tank. Still have the issue with the rear wheel bearings. No race track light on the trunk. Up to 126K miles so far.
"He sell shoes and drives a Dodge.." Peggy Bundy
LOVE the Dart! Almost bought one new in 2013, but bought an Impreza instead, because for the same money it was AWD and a hatch. Big mistake. The Impreza got terrible gas mileage (25 mpg highway on a good day) and by 30K miles was falling apart. I still regret that decision. I have an 18 Cherokee (same platform as the Dart) now and it has been nothing short of stellar.
I would say most people have the opposite experience. I've owned a few impressas all of them went over 200,000 miles without any issues.
And you're going to get terrible gas mileage with all-wheel drive that's just how that goes. The mileage rating is right on the window sticker not like it would have been a surprise.
Personally I stick with Toyota when possible.
Pay a little bit more and get a reliable car like toyota or Honda honestly
Choosing between a Subaru and a Dodge is like choosing between root canal and a colonoscopy
@@kens97sto171 I'm not impressed by your impressas
@@Fattony6666
I don't care ... Voice to text dude..
It's RUclips not a college essay.
I have a 2015 GT with 112,000 miles. Never had any major issues. Got a tune on it making about 180 to the wheels. Fun car as long as you don't mind shredding front tires. But the antiroll bars are amazing, 0 body roll, handles like a dream. Love this car plan on keeping it till 150k hopefully.
When I saw your title I thought you were going to trash my Dart. I love my Dart! 13 Limited GT LEATHER interior with bun warmers it has the 1.4 turbo, not fast just fun. right at 180,000 miles on it. Went to Florida couple years back avg. mpg showed 37 when we pulled in the driveway. that's pretty sweet on a 1800 mile trip. Very comfy and the cup holders in front are lit.
I remember when they stopped making them you could pick one of these sooooo cheap. They had huge discounts. In my opinion it was a lot for the money.
a lot of electrical problems
got mine with 40k miles for 8700 bucks.
Everytime usa people mention 30-40mpg being awesome it reminds me how skewed things are between there and here in the uk.
It's ok. But my folks 18 year old e class does 35-50mpg (urban/highway, in us gallons) and people think that's not great.
yes, but will your 18 year old e class do 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds and get that while doing 75mph? Is your a diesel? We don't get much in the way of diesel power over here unless it is a giant truck intended for heavy duty towing.
I remember the old Civic CRX HF from back in the 80's and they would get 50mpg all day long (maybe not at 75mph, but at 65mph). Of course they weighed in at under 2000 pounds. accomplished
If it's a diesel you can't really compare.
EU mpg and American mpg are not the same
also many EU cars come in at lower power figures by design. But im no expert of course.
@@danr154 I seem to recall an article I read several years ago where an American went to Europe and was excited to drive one of those high mileage getting diesels we don't get over here and absolutely hated it because the thing had zero power but it did get amazing mileage.
I test drove a 2014 model(??) when I was buying a used car. On the test drive the check engine light came on. Told the dealer and his response was it must have a low tire. I thought that was TPMS myself. So I went and bought a Honda Accord instead
JR, Neon in México was a different car. We had also the Dart, and at the same time we had a Neon which was based on the Fiat Tipo, which was smaller than the Fiat Viaggio. Hope this info was helpful.
They were also made in different places. The Neon is made in Turkey which is the main reason to never buy it.
2000+ Neon was actually a decent car for basic transportation. Easy to fix and cheap to buy used.
Absolutely… they had the Neon nailed down. Affordable, easy to fix, not bad to drive 🍻
I think what might have done the Neon in was its terrible crash test results. As I recall, the Neon, the Cavalier, and the non-bloated Mitsubishi Lancer all had pretty bad crash test results around the same time period. None of the successors were particularly good.
@@nonsequiturman Correct. The Neon did not do well in the offset frontal test. The Neon was supposed to come back based on the Dart platform but made in an FCA plant in Turkey. But with SUV's outselling sedans the idea was dropped.
@@nonsequiturman It was funny that GM decided to make side curtain airbags optional in the old Saturn S-series in the early 2000's when they were about to be replaced and not in the death trap Chevy Cavalier/Sunfire which sold a ton more. That feature alone probably would have sold a ton more of them to buyers who cared about crash test performance. Even I remember how dangerously poor Neon's and Cavaliers did in side/offset crash tests.
My 95 Dodge Neon Sport was attractive and fun to drive at first, but an absolute lemon. Everything on that car broke. Multiple engine computer failures in the first year, a/c repairs every year, clutch broke... the TURN SIGNALS broke! I loved it at first, but in the end I absolutely hated that car, and I traded it in as soon as it was paid off. Bought a '99 Honda CR-V, and ran that car for 235,000 miles. So. Much. Better.
Loved my Dart bought mine new the first year it was released. Decorated it with the stripes they sold. After 5 years the windshield wiper control broke and the wipers couldn't be shut off. No repair shop in the area would touch it and unfortunately had to sell it.
That is unfortunate. Even a Dodge dealer wouldn't fix it?
I have this car. I keep getting a sporadic low oil pressure at idle after it warms up. I changed the sensor, but it didn't fix it. I installed 4 gauges on the pillar to monitor oil, vacuum, temp, and voltage.
I had a '13 Dart Limited, with the 1.4 Turbo and 6 speed man. trans... it lasted me 221k miles, before i bought a Grand Cherokee. Ended up giving it to a family friend as a first car. Only issues is the coil pack needed replacing every 10-15k miles, which is a no brainer and cheap
i've always liked this car even though i'm generally a japanese car fan. i just think they were severely underrated for what you got.
My cousin bought one of these. She's had it for years. Like 10 years. ,y nice keeps her pistol under the seat storage thing, you know Florida and all
my 2013 dart rallye has been ok except when it's been in the dealer getting warranty repairs to replace the transmission. There are very few qualified dealer mechanics, so they took weeks for simple work. The sound system is nice and throws a lot of bass.
The engine light on mine comes on from the gas cap often but it's not broken. could be something between the filler cap and the tank leaking.
The uconnect bluetooth is awful - it doesn't sync most of the time.
there's a parasitic battery drain that causes a lot of issues with the electronic modules and sometimes shows "SERVICE TRANSMISSION" which is just because of the low battery.
I saw you on hoovies channel, great video!!
They werent a flop at all!
Before i crashed mine it was an amazing car and never broke down had 235 kms on it and loved every second of it. Amazing handling, good power(2.4L), comfortable, sporty as hell with the rallye package and really good on gas.
I've never driven one of these cars but I've always wondered why they are so hated. That is an ALFA Romeo chassis, and the AR that is sold in Europe seems to be popular.
?
just answered your own question. nobody has any real love for AR over here and everyone knows about Alfa/Fiat reliability. solid no for most including me.
@@dwarf365 let's add on top of that when most of us Americans think about reliable basic transportation cars the first 2 that come to mind for most are Toyota, and Honda, not Chrysler products, and if you say Alfa/Fiat to most Americans who are not gearheads they will give you a WTF is that look, or they will laugh, and say o you mean that funny little squatted euro smart car looking thing?(That's an actual answer I got from a co worker of mine).
You are probably thinking of the Guilia which runs on an extended form of this platform. The Guilia suffers with many of the same electrical faults the Dart/200 had.
@@spuwho Giulietta and Mito are the compact front-wheel-drive Alfas. The Dart uses a similar chassis to the Giulietta. I think FCA should have built the Dart as a Giulietta sedan. Not say the Giulietta hatch is wonderful (the 147 GTA with the 3.2 Busso V6, now THAT was wonderful if rather maintenance heavy and delightfully flawed in usual Alfa Romeo fashion), but the Giulietta is decent at least and comes with the option of the 1.75TBi engine with 250hp.
I have a 2015 GT. Fully loaded, leather heated seats and steering wheel. Drives decent, I put some Michelin Pilot Sport 4/S and it really woke up in the handling department (in my opinion). Only issue I had was the black piece around the antenna came off. Transmission is sluggish when you get on it. Manual mode has a noticeable delay. Finally my back up camera is acting up. For whatever reason it’s displaying upside down it gives me a staticky black screen, every now and then starts working right. This is a new problem. Other than that it has been reliable. Fast enough. Remote start is a blessing, especially for some nice cold starts. I feel I get better mileage using premium gas. I’ve constantly drove from Atlanta to Columbus GA to get my kids, so I experimented and now only run premium on it. Sounds a bit better to me too lol. The pioneer speakers and small sub is perfect for this little car. Just a decent overall commute and road trip car.
Auto Auction Rebuilds had a flood damaged one, Randy did an engine swap. Couldn’t get the power steering light to go off. Software didn’t allow them to turn it off.
My wife had a 2013 corolla se and it was very amazing. That’s what i would buy
I'd buy that if I wanted to keep something 10+ years. But if I wanted something temporary (3-5 years) I'd definitely pick this just based on looks alone. Toyota Corollas have zero style.
@@Stressless2023 Corolla hatchback has no style???
@@Escobar224 no
I absolutely would get one, it's a really good looking little car
But I'll keep my 2019 Camaro instead, lol
I have a 2013 dart SE and I have 160k miles on it and it still gets me 35mpg. I’m definitely not winning a race but I’m just getting from point A to point B
A 2013 Dart Limited was my first new car purchase, $24,000 out the door. It had some issues but was reliable for the 40,000 miles I had it.
Got crap trade in though only 6k after 6 years.
Mine had push button start, didn’t need the “key” in the slot
We called the seat storage the “gun holder”
These cars have a pretty nice interior and the exterior styling is nice as well. However, the dual clutch is a disaster, the 2.4 burns oil, the 9 speed is a disaster, and the electrical problems are horrid.
Yep, Scotty Kilmer has said it time, and time again that the whole Fiat/Chrysler merger was a total disaster because of of these problems right here!!!
These never came with 9-speeds only 6-speed autos. And only 1 of the 3 engine options was Fiat-designed (1.4L MultiAir) so that's probably the one to stay away from. The other 2 engines were built somewhere near Detroit by Chrysler themselves, which isn't saying much, but still likely better bets lol.
can conform the 1.4 is a lemon.
I’d say your Aztec was a bigger flop than the Dart.
I have a 2014 Dart SXT with the Rallye appearance package. It was my first car payment I’ve ever had. Still have it, 120k miles with the 2.4 Multiair engine and it gets plenty of power. Totally a great car
It was a beautiful car. The only problem with this car, in my opinion (and setting aside the issue of engines) was that it did not have enough rear seat leg room - they just needed to stretch it a bit. The tail-end treatment was absolutely perfect and stunning. Lincoln copied it and just turned it upside down. Other Dodges copied it but not as well executed.
I have your same exact car but silver, I have 110 k on it and the only thing that I have replaced is the battery, the only thing I need to replace now is the lower control arms since you can't just replace the bushings.. Other then that I love this car.. Been a great one for me..
Have a 2013 Dodge dart limited 2.0 auto, bought it brand new. 10 years later just hit 150k miles, still running great. Only thing I had to do was change passenger front wheel bearing, which was like 60 buck in parts and no other issues. Love the car as my DD, getting 33+mpg. Gonna drive it till it dies
Glad for a regular type car series, thanks JR
I own a 2016 SXT. It's got over 200K and still starts and runs like new. I upgraded to Michelin tires, slightly oversized (width) & a rear GT sway bar. Best handling car I've owned.