Lexus IS300 Hot Lap w/ Fortune Auto Coilovers - One Take
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2015
- After installing a set of Fortune Auto 500 coilovers on this Lexus IS300, we rip some hot laps and see how much it has improved over stock.
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My understanding has been that Swift Springs alloy allow smaller diameter coils for the same spring rate, meaning that for an equivalent length spring at the same spring rate they have more travel due to the fact they can compress the area that would otherwise be taken up by larger coils.
More of this IS300!! 😄
+Neal Medrano Maybe in the spring time, winter is rolling in so no more track testing. :(
+Speed Academy agreed!
Speed Academy any update on this car? How do you like this300?
More of this car
yep. love to see more of this car as well..
more of this car, I just got myself a is300 and now I have some coilovers to consider!
more of this car!
love the IS300, hopefully there's more videos in the future
Some decent swaybars would really help the car!
As a Toyota fan, I say post more on this one! The FR-S is interesting, but the IS is something different. You don't see that part of the market get the tuner treatment as much as small cars and muscle cars.
yep, want to see more of this car.
great vid guys. I hope you go a little further with the IS300.
More of this car, and some outside footage of when its getting loose going full on through some of those turns would be fun to see.
More of the IS300 please! Also in my opinion TEIN SS Dampers sell for about 1100 dollars and have the same adjustments available. The comfortable ride quality and the track performance you desire.
The way you're describing the FA500 set, sounds like the BC Racing to me. Got those at 10k/6k (standard) on my daily Altezza RS200 and done a few trackdays. Still have too much roll so looking to upgrade the swaybars before thinking of beefing up the spring rates to maybe 12/10.
Keep your nice vids coming, I like the down to earth vids.
i love is300s. i was hoping that this wouldve been a car that you guys bought so the updates wouldve been steady but its not. BUT PLEASE PUT UP MORE VIDEOS OF THE IS300 PLEEEEEASE
Great video looks like I am adding coil overs to my mod list now!
+Ryan Masse Great to hear! You're not going to regret it.
We need more of this car
great video!!
Now that's quite the improvement! seems fun
Also I'd love to see more videos on this car
Thanks for introducing me to Fortune Auto. My friend is looking at their stuff and I'm looking for a Fat Cat Motorsports setup. FA seems to be very good and they "get" suspension and not the "myths" and "black magic" that is usually spread as fact.
Plz, Post more about the IS300!
This was awesome.
Great to see some IS300 content. As a family man now, i often think of trading my s14 for one of these. Loved seeing the Fortune Auto review. Heard nothing but rave reviews about them.
If you are still looking for one. I have an is300 with 165,000 miles
I like all your videos, subscribed for sure. Looking forward to see more future build.
Btw, are you going to turbo this LexTezza? hahahahaha
Im located in BC, Do you have any Speed Academy stickers? I would love to have them.
Wow 8 yrs ago yall worked on an is300. I’m kinda new to channel was wondering when yall were gonna work on one
Lol nice!! quite surprised to see an alltrac celica. I also have a black 90 alltrac along with my is300.
I didn't know DAMPERS reduced body roll. Must be the special kind with the anti-roll bar built in.
MOAR IS300! also any chance you can put up the install vid for the coils?!?!
+Kevin Parra We didn't have time to shoot an install video but it's incredible straight forward! Just watch our 240 video with the KW install and you'll get a good idea as it's similar.
...more of this car!
im actually going to add the fortune autos because of this video. whats the longevity of these shocks after 6 years?
I had APEXi coilovers on my cossy and it drove just as good as stock. Actually ride was firmer, lot safer and still compliant. I was really surprised by it back then, as I always thought that lowering your car will make it stiff and a pain in the ass to live with (pun intended), but I couldn't be more wrong. It was great. Since then I always do this. Obviously more of a track oriented ones will be stiffer, but these that are meant for normal roads and a track day here and there are perfect. You still keep the ride quality while at the same time improving the handling and looks of course. :D
Cutting your springs tho, as many like to do, is a different matter. Spring cutting is a pet peeve of mine, cause I know how dangerous it can be. My friend just bounced straight off the road with cut springs. Not to mention you had to drive it like on egg shells not to wipe out somewhere... I won't even mention the ride quality...
Can you guys go with BC 264 cam shafts? Supposedly one of the best bang for the buck for NA engine
I'm a huge fan of you guys I drive a 240 and I have to suggest you guys test AMR Engineering. I have their coilovers with swift springs and they are amazing.
+Brian Glenn Thanks Brian, we'll look into AMR! Good to hear they're working well for you.
How would these coilovers compare with the KW V3s? I've heard good things about both but,I know you guys have tested both coils so I'd love to hear your opinion about them
Def more of this. you should check out the ralco rz short shifter. if you think it has a long throw now I bet you'll think it has one of the shortest you've ever felt in any car. one of my favorite things about the car is how you can here it thump into each gear. hopefully that one has lsd. if not your missing out. I'd also opt for a new header and y pipe to rid those cats and get an 02 delete. (simulator)
+Kyle Smith Thanks for all the suggestions.
+Kyle Smith I have Ralco RZ in my IS300 and OMG... after 2 weeks of getting used to it it's the best thing ever
More!!!
I would like to see more of this car, but don't let up on the Badass2000...... :)
Yo Player (Dave) you still cruisin with that Nissan Maxima key less entry pad?
How noticeable is the difference in handling with these coil-overs on the street? I don't track my IS and don't plan to, was wondering if it would still be worth it.
I'm wondering if he dropped the car too low, plus with cars dropped too low can have more body roll. So much to go into when is come to suspension geometry and might need to have mods to the control arms with spacers. Just my 2 cents
when are you guys showing the Datsun z!!!
More is300 videos please!! Also, what tire size and any rubbing in front?
+skylinekin 225/40R18 all around, no rubbing whatsoever. It's a pretty mild wheel and tire size. Rick bought the wheels and tires for street duty. He's planning to get a more aggressive set for track duty next year.
yes, as an is300 owner myself id appreciate more vids on this car! any idea what rims on this car??
dw about it. they look ugly
Great video guys! Wished you guys would have spent some more time building this car! Love the is300. Do you guys think the is300 platform is worth building NA for track use? Thanks for your input ahead of time and keep up the great videos!
Honestly, the lack of real aftermarket support for those motors doesnt make it a good car for track use. You'd have to get into a 2JZ-GTE swap and that brings a host of other problems with it. Personally, I would buy a different car to build for the track unless you have a good budget to work with.
Speed Academy thanks for your input! If I may, what car would you build N/A for track use work with a 10k budget?
RWD - High Mileage Honda S2000 FWD - EG/EK Civic or Integra
lets see more! :)
The stock IS300 under steer so badly, I tried to slide the car through a roundabout but the factory setup generate massive under steer, I even floor the paddle but it seems under steer more and the rear seems also loosing a bit of traction. It's fun but not that much fun like you get from a BMW with LSD like M3.
Nice
Kyle Beaty always drives that celica to the limit every time ive seen him at open lapping days.
nice...more of this is300 2jz power
stiffer anti roll bars perhaps?
straight pipe pleaseee
I agree peter, but in my opinion changing dampers to adjust body roll is more of a bandaid instead of a proper fix. Plus if you stiffen things up the tires may not be able to fallow the road correctly.
+Benjamin Zipsie increasing damper stiffness is far from a bandaid solution IMO. Not only does increasing rebound stiffness help control body motion in roll, it also helps control it in pitch, so unlike swaybars we're getting the benefit of better motion control both laterally and longitudinally. The whole point of adjustable dampers is to be able to alter the car's handling balance and body motion control (since shock rebound controls the unsprung mass of the vehicle, it has a significant effect on roll and pitch control). Swaybars are a much cruder method, as they are either non-adjustable or limited to 2 or 3 positions of adjustability, while dampers like these have 24 positions of adjustability and thus provide a much higher tuning resolution. Furthermore, we can turn the dampers back down for the street, so we get the best of both worlds, a comfy ride on the street and a firmer ride at the track, while with swaybars you do not have that option (increasing swaybar stiffness is comparable to increasing spring rates). We've played around with swaybars and they upset ride quality (especially on the rough roads here in Ontario) far more than dampers do, so I'm personally far more interested in tuning handling balance and ride quality with shocks than I am with swaybars.
+David Pratte I dont disagree but they designed anti sway bars to control the sway of the car. or the roll. The job of the dampers is to control the body and wheels in relation to the road. considering that the job of the damper is vary demanding wouldn't you say taking the body roll and relegating that to something a little more suited to control it "sway bars" would allow the dampers to better do the job they are designed to handle. in turn improving the overall handling of the car. the part about they "the sway bars" are only 2 or 3 what adjustable. this is true but what about all the different company. eibach, st, white line. all the company's use different diameter tubes hollow vrs. not hollow. that is alot of options for adjust ability.
Not exactly, Ben. The damper is designed to control the springs, this system being the primary method of controlling body motion, including roll and pitch. Swaybars are a secondary method of tuning body roll, and a far cruder one than dampers and springs. Remember, the shock's rebound valving is what controls the sprung mass of the vehicle and thus plays a huge roll in determining how the overall suspension reacts to weight transfer and body roll. The shock's compression valving is what controls the unsprung mass of the car, which is also a very important part of generating traction and grip since compression damping is what holds the tire to the ground when encountering bumps. Swaybars simply help limit roll, but it's a simple device without any of the advanced damping properties or tuning properties of an adjustable shock like these. Here's a story I recently wrote on the subject: speed.academy/which-way-do-i-turn-the-knob-how-to-adjust-dampers-coilovers-hard-soft/
nice!!!
I would totally swipe right
i had an 04 auto bone stock and ive raced my fair share of si's and have never lost to a civic si with just exhaust and intake. the normal little things people start with. I have an 04 5 speed with lsd. just a couple bolt ons, suspension and a couple other little things. rwd around a track is definitely better than fwd so a civic si Def wouldn't be better around corners
Awesome! I just installed fortune auto 500 as well with swift springs, but i went with 12k front and 10k rear. I wanted the rear rates to be closer to front so the car would rotate more, but i wish i went a tad higher up front because it still does have some unwanted body roll, even with the sway bars
Car rides better than before, and handling is impressive. I have yet to take it back on track but am extremely curious because i also have a "before" baseline lap time
Would definitely be interested on seeing more on this car
+Suds you have an IS300 also?
how are the FA 500's holding up to daily driving?
not any harsher than stock?
would you have chosen 14k front if you had a chance?
+My Nam Sorry i did not see this sooner
For daily driving, i am very happy with them. Very comfortable and compliant, however i do wish i went with 14k up front, and possibly 11-12k in the rear
I just added these with 12 front and 8 back. Figs rear lca, front uca, toe links and sway bars. But my ride feels super bouncy now and shakey. Is this because I haven't got an alignment. I also could not set the ride height equally on all sides
@@350110thave any update? Did you fix the bouncing? What did you do
I want a 5 speed is300 so bad!
What wheel size and offset were you using?
I've been thinking about investing in an IS300 lately, worth it? Other choices would be E46 M3, STI hatch, or S2000. I would say for the money you could get more out of the IS, but have you had any experience with my other choices? If so how would you rate each?
The IS300 will be the clear winner for practicality and reliability but its not much of a track car and mods are limited engine wise.
Moor please
moar of this car!
Please Do a Video on How to Adjust Suspension!
+David Haagsma It's on the to-do list!
+David Haagsma we've done a couple stories on this on our website. Hope they help.
speed.academy/which-way-do-i-turn-the-knob-how-to-adjust-dampers-coilovers-hard-soft/
speed.academy/how-to-fix-understeer-or-oversteer-suspension-handling-setup-tuning/
Post the s14 track video already!!!!!!!! XD
lets get this car back on
I just installed these fortune autos with swift springs as well some figs toe links, rear lca, front uca and sway bars. But my ride feels so bouncy and shakey with soft or hard dampening. Did I do something wrong? I also couldn't get the ride height equal and haven't got an alignment. Please let me know. Spend a lot of time installing...
It takes alot of work to dial in the ride height, we spent over 4 hours on our Civic and you certainly need an alignment so don't forget that.
If you added a lot of spherical mounts with the suspension parts then the ride will be much more harsh but I think your sway bars could be adding to your harsh ride. The springs are already stiff then adding sway bars can make the entire suspension even stiffer and add less compliance. Maybe remove the sways and see how it drives?
Hey man I have similar setup with these exact coils with same Swift spring rates and figs parts and my ride is also a bit bouncy. Soaks bumps good but still too soft rates and body roll. I had way less body roll with my shocks and springs but I was lower and a bit more aggressive camber
I wish you guys showed how to install the coilovers lol
+JDMTuningJZX90 Its like every other coil on the market, pull out the old struts put in the new ones 5 bolts and your done. Get an alignment and your good.
Do It!
This is great. You guys should invite people to bring their modified or unmodified car over to you, just like smoking tire channel, to test and publish it on you tube.
+aaguirre123 we don't want to steal Matt Farah's idea, but we'll definitely test out other people's track cars from time to time, like we did with our buddy Kevin's Suzuki Swift. Check that vid out if you haven't already. It's the world's coolest Swift and rips so good!
+David Pratte same idea but yours will be more objective rather than subjective because there's an actual time published on RUclips . With Matt it's very subjective because all you hear is his feelings when he drives the car on a canyon road. By the way how fast are you growing in terms of views and subscription? I thing you'll be over a million in subscription at some point in the near future. Keep up the good work.
+aaguirre123 that's a great point, having a lap time is more objective and as we build a database of lap times people will be able to see where different cars slot in on that list. Our channel is growing steadily at about 1k subs a week, so we're getting there! A million subs is a long way off, but we certainly appreciate the encouraging words and will keep on doing what we do in the hopes that people enjoy it.
+David Pratte I just want to add this also, instead of you guys driving the car on the track let the owner of the car drive it with your equipment on board to record the lap and be a consultant or something. And also Since you guys are well connected in the mod car industry you can invite a stig to drive a car and have a guessing game with the viewers for a price or something.
more more more
as always, good video!
My question is, I'm considering the Fortune Auto 510 and KW V3 coilovers for a 80% street 20% track set up car. I'm willing to suffer a bit in ride quality for improved handling characteristics. I know the 510's are considerably cheaper than a set of V3's. Do the V3's have enough of a performance gain over FA's to offset the price increase? Or are the FA's more bang for the buck? I wouldn't mind saving a buck here but I don't want buyers regret.
+Apple butters great question. We haven't track tested the 510's on Ken's FD yet, so we can't really offer an informed opinion on how they compare to KW V3. We should be at the track on the 510's in a couple weeks though, and will have a video for you on that. I will say I don't think you'll regret buying KW V3's, they're an outstanding product at the price point and having independent adjustability of rebound and compression is a really nice feature if you're hardcore about damper tuning. But if you're more of a single adjustable kind of guy, based on our experience on the 500 series, I think you'll be extremely happy with the 510's.
+David Pratte thank your for the comment, and I'll be looking forward to that track review of the 510's on the FD! btw just watched the ASS2000 build last weekend as an Introduction to your channel. Needless to say I fucking loved it. Great build. looking forward to season 2 of that build and all the rest of what your channel offers!
+Apple butters thanks man, appreciate the support!
+David Pratte Hey David quick question. I drive a mk7 GTI and I'm interested on doing more suspension work to do some serious tracking. I've done an Autocross already and the car suffers from a good amount of understeer. I plan on upgrading Tires to Michelin PSS, and suspension eventually. If possible could you do a hot lap in a Mk7 GTI if you can. I really want a race car drivers opinion on what the car needs to handle better, be faster, etc. Thanks for making these great videos and keep up the good work!
+katanamast279 oh and in terms of how to make it handle better, a big rear sway bar would be a great start. That'll help get rid of some understeer for relatively little expense or effort. Otherwise you've got to go to a coilover system where you can choose spring rates that dial out the understeer more. KW V3's are a great option if they're within your budget. Unfortunately Fortune Auto doesn't make anything for VWs, but other options worth considering include Ohlins, AST, and Eibach.
Did the upper control arms hit the body under full compression?
Nope, no issues
Omg I cant believe it, but Im in this video lol. The white XF is mine haha
+Deenesh Dhanrajh thanks for the signal on the front straight! :D
+David Pratte of course. Rules of the track bro. Looking forward to seeing u guys next time
You Shouldnt be using the dampers to adjust body roll. the sway bars, use the sway bars to adjust body roll.
+Benjamin Zipsie Dampers can help reduce body roll and when you don't have sway bars to adjust they're the next best solution.
+Peter Tarach You can reduce the velocity of the body roll but not the angle of it.
Lol the kid seat Did you remove it for weight reduction
Whats going on with the Nissan there i hope we see a video of it
+Matthew Dolbey More coming soon :D
Great cant wait
Why does the is300 get such a bad wrap? Most say an SI is faster than these.. this true?
+Tyler Fukuda In a straight line and around the corners an Si will likely be faster. The 3.0 inline 6 doesn't exactly make big power and is a heavy engine.
LOVE LOVE this chassis...MORE of THIS Sweet road machine PLEASE! SUB'dddddd as I'm just getting into the market for an Is I think. :) \m/
More IS300!! im local to you guys located here in Ajax. keep up the cool vids. i'd love to see more IS300 cuz i have one xD
+Dev Very cool! WE may do a bit next year if we have the time but its not really a car that we see or drive much of.
+Speed Academy you can always use mine ;]
+Dev Lol it's not that we can't get our hands on it rather the time and effort needed to mod it!
Saw a video by ThatDudeInBlue featuring these coilovers, checked out the prices, decided to check them out on youtube. First result is this video of my car with them. #internetwin
+Dustin Casper (GohanBurner) The internet is telling you to go buy them. :) Just tell Fortune Auto that we sent you!
Discount? Lol
Those Canadians are always apologizing...
+Casey Weaver sorry we apologize so much ;)
+Casey Weaver Better than being a dick, like some....
can you give me a list of the cars you own atm?
+The Ultimate Racer we don't own the IS300. It belongs to a buddy of ours.
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Cant be an 01 they didnt make manuals that year
moar plz!!!!
holdup... where's the sway bars?
+Rodolfo Diaz We usually test one component at a time so we didn't want to do sway bars right away.
Turbo charge it!
Next time just record the engineers talking about the product, and play it through the stereo as you drive.
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Toyota
Most!! GTE that bish!
Sway. Bars.
Thank god for no smart car this time hahaha
He said affordable. Lol chill. I gotta work a month to get $1200.
+boosted 2j affordable for what you get is what I think he meant, remember these guys go out and buy some pretty expensive stuff to get the best of the best for their FR-S to give an example.
+boosted 2j "affordable" for a 3 way adjustable coil over. Considering kw v3's are $2599 usd (and don't come with top hats) lol. Fortune Auto's are a lot of bang for your buck. Not saying there better then v3's but pretty good for the money.
+boosted 2j Like what the other said, IT IS affordable compared to other manufacturers with the same specs. As someone who's just getting into tracking, I'm looking at the Fortune Auto's for my 350z.
I think he meant affordable compared to other coil overall systems that performs similarly. The coil over that was installed are made to order. $1,200 for a made to order coil over is comparably cheaper.
aaguirre123 valid point
CovidImages need to be invested more than half19
nice!!!