@@omnientertainment5852 The episode on real Star Trek was about getting the four races to acknowledge their common roots. It was a unified reveal. This looks to be about finding the 545th way of validating and lauding space Jesus all for the glory of space Jesus.
TNG cast reacts like intelligent, mature adults. DEIscovery cast reacts like a bunch of 15 yr old girls. …No offense intended toward all the 15 yr old girls out there.
It's not just a problem of bad casting. And Discovery's casting is the worst I've ever seen. Very weak actors in the main roles, incredibly inferior to Patrick Stewart, for example. The trouble with directing and producing, when there is no one on the set who would tell you how to behave in front of the camera. Weak actors are superimposed on weak directing and you get a modern Star Trek. Expensive and stupid.
This is the single biggest problem with NuTrek. Not one bit of it is left for the viewer to think anything. Everything is spelled out for them with Burnhams endless babble.
- Burnham was raised by Vulcans and is a complete emotional wet mop. - "Agent Daniels, USS Enterprise." In other words, they made a reference that time agents could have gone back to stop the Burn, but meh....who cares. Mass death and warp core explosions are cool! - The Progenitors have Progenitors. Why not have one when you can have more? - The terrifying Breen in DS9 are reduced to lame villains. - 32nd-century technology is reduced to haphazard space magic and 23rd-century mix mash.
@@randomrazr If, at the very least, they could have made a concerted effort to find what the problem was and then send Discovery into the past to prevent it. At least in that concept, later revealing that the old man was Agent Daniels would have made for a better surprise, but nah.
Even BEFORE I watched the video, I was going to comment on how we could SEE that the new "Progenitor" was played by a "BLAKE" actor, THROUGH the MAKEUP. Heck, I even noticed the difference between "Blake" and "Wyatt" actors who were playing "Cling-awns", Rom-you-lens, Car dace Ian's... through the makeup. I guess the differences are MORE than just COLOR. 😏
We wuz Progenz an shit! (Admittedly, a sample size of two wasn't exactly much, but you absolutely _know_ that thought didn't even enter the writers heads)
I seen this happen on Jerry Springer and Maury Povich somebody get a DNA test I said you are not the father that baby don't look like me that baby don't look like me😂
I love how discovery takes yet another star trek idea (different species working together to find the answer) and completely misunderstands it ('We've got to get the super weapons before the breeen!)
And of course the Breen will keep their mouth shut and not tell anyone in the Galaxy when it comes to this incident, because Starfleet decided to make it a secret, and clearly the Breen will too.
@@sargon6000 I mean JHC. They have holes in their shields. They let an emo teenager who thinks she can resurrect the dead take over their entire empire. Is this a comedy? Is this Space Balls? They can't even tell who's on their ship because they have a green mask on? They they invite somebody who they can't even see to a mud bath? Is this San Francisco? Is there no photo ID?
There's also absolutely no reason for classifying that information since the threat is gone, but it's cool and makes the Disco crew more special and that's all that counts.
Its effectively just cloning and genetic manipulation. Both of which the federation isn't big on yet no one brings it up once. The magic portal corridor is considerably more intrigueing technologically.
I was wondering about that myself. Apparently it is to create life. Literally create life. So that means we are all created by aliens and not a god or a spiritual being. Which is kind of terrible. But why would anybody want this technology? Because look at the Jem'Hadar. One could imagine a million villains beating any kind of slave army for any reason. So I don't see why this tech is dangerous to anyone.
Why wouldn’t the human race/ federation not be ready for advanced alien technology? 800+ years of peaceful exploration surely proves something? Not to mention everything is so technologically advanced, surely can’t be many centuries behind them?
@@GetterRay agree to disagree. captain was the leader, sure, but up until Discovery, the franchise was ALWAYS about an ensemble cast. the only reason why TOS had focus more on Kirk, Spock and Bones, was due to CBS in the 60's pumping the brakes on Gene's multicultural depictions, so the rest of the ensemble had forced limitations put on the show, limiting their time on screen, despite Roddenberry's efforts against producers.
@@dustinherk8124 Yes, it was an ensemble cast, but the Captain was the main protagonist. He was a protagonist, and he was the main one who would be in 99% of episodes. Even in TOS, Kirk was clearly the main protagonist and Spock and Bones were his sidekicks. The only reason you're arguing this point is to make a point against STD, but being a historical revisionist about how the old shows worked isn't the way to do it. Having an ensemble cast and having a main protagonist, one who is more important than the rest, who gets more screen time than the rest, who is in a position of power an authority above the others, is not mutually exclusive. The problem isn't in the principal, its the execution. Sisko was literally black space jesus and yet his arc was handled perfectly. Michael is a poor immitation of him. Its not always the case that old trek did something and STD did it differently. Sometimes it does the same thing and just does it worse.
The writers never properly explained why this portal technology is so dangerous. All we heard is that they could clone people from Burnham. But the Federation can already do this. The Federation already had far more powerful technology 900+ years ago with the Genesis Device -- which brought Spock and other lifeforms back to life from death. Furthermore, the Federation can now make golems (Hello! Picard and Gray!). Why didn't they mention this to Moll and La'ak?!! Again, what was the point of this effing season?!
Whats even more confusing is if you pay close attention to the dialogue in the meeting scene, michael assumes the lady is a progenitor but the "progenitor" doesn't explicitly confirm it, she's just too busy trying to tell her how to use the machine. Its just so bizarre if you really think about it.
that is not fair! you decanonised my episode 1 where they all die and then picard wakes up on the enterprise and swears never to eat cheese before bed again, and then for no reason whatsoever mentions he will never have anything to do with a romulan evacuation or have his brain put in a nonsensically identical robot body
They actually did make Burnham into a god of sorts. She alone single-handedly concluded that there was enough diversity in the universe. What is the point at which there is "enough diversity". Imagine how that conversation with Starfleet went. LOL!
The Progenitors’ goal in TNG was to create life in their own image. Now suddenly in STD they want it to be diverse. Diversity was the opposite of their original goal.
Don’t know about that. They seeded their DNA to create life but the diversity is always going to be a product of evolution. In reality, it was just written to explain the over abundance of humanoid life in the galaxy as depicted on the show.
I miss Star Trek. What Happened. All I know is I will hold on to Star Trek pre 2005. I accept Enterprise. I would RELISH Enterprise over PIC, STD, SNW, LD. Everything streaming is steaming shit.
The worst part of this is that it COULD have been a decent show from the get-go. I believe Grin has mentioned this, but it should've taken place 25 years after DS9. "Burnham" is Sisko and Kasidy's child who is burdened living up to her famous father's name. The "Klingons" from S1 are the Hur'q, who have returned and are mounting an invasion of the Federation. All of the anachronistic technology would be explained by the setting, and it would not ravage existing lore (at least not as much). This would not have solved everything, but it would be a start.
So not only is Mikey Burnham the saviour of the Federation, of the Galaxy, of all crying people. But now she is the chosen one of all reality. O.o I say, no. And the Progenitors made a very sophisticated puzzle for the younger races to solve. But their ultimate puzzle is fit the triangles game for toddlers? O.o
Having no idea what caused the progenitors to vanish, I guess Michael just assumed that the same thing wouldn't happen to the sentient humanoid species currently populating the galaxy. Millions of years in the future, the Milky Way might be a galaxy devoid of sentient life because of one person's shortsighted actions.
I'm surprised nobody asked "is it actually SAFE to toss this portal thing into a black hole?" - sounds to me like there could be all sorts of potential problems depending on how the magic portal actually works!
To create a timeline where he could have whatever he want happen, JJ Abrams had a star go supernova, the explosion traveling through subspace, to destroy Romulus and Remus, off-screen. The people at CBS have just been following in his footsteps. Of course, some other people might pick up the pieces and make some stories of value out of the mess, some of the time. In the case of the Hobus Supernova, Cryptic Studios made it into the inciting incident for the main overarching story for most of _Star Trek Online_ , the lead up to and execution of the Iconian War. But you can't expect current-day writers to be able to come up with anything even a fraction so grand. They even borrow designs and aspects from an MMORPG, only to discard and replace them later.
they said the progenitors goal was to "add diversity" . but what they did is the literal opposite of that . they forced all life to look like them (instead of whatever they would have become naturally, which would have been more diverse)
@@TelcomTransmissions you trying to use the same nomenclature as ST: Voy? the show NEVER did. so it got tagged with STD, not ST: DIS or DISCO or what ever else.
I just want to take a moment to salute Major Grin for making it through five seasons of this horrendous garbage and watching it in enough gory detail to be able to intelligently and thoroughly call bullshit on the entire sad affair... Salute!!
Truly, STD is the most appropriate acronym for that god-awful show. It's irritating, embarrassing, and it just won't seem to go away, lingering years past wearing out its welcome.
life as we know it... except for the arachnid like, Tholians. the Calamarian, changlings, the Horta, the Kelvan (while able to take human form, are not humanoid) the Komar, Q, Lactran, Nacene/"caretakers", pah-wraith/"prophets", Phylosians, Discovery's own "species 10-C", the symbiote side of Trill, Vendorians etc. there was plenty of sentient non humanoid species the progenitors had nothing to do with, based on how the lore describes.
Is there a show that was taken over by woke people where they did NOT put a black woman or black man as the origin of it all ? They did it in Doctor Who with the little black girl being the original docter, in star trek twice with Michael and now that progenitors as a black woman again, in He-Man when they did it again with a black man as the original he man, and so on
The progenitors awesome technology is incapable of creating a clone of a person that has the same memories, yet a simple transporter accident created Thomas Riker
So what you're saying is that the Mass Effect relays were here before the Reapers? And that they can use Citadel Station to invade the Milky Way galaxy?
Whatever you do don't do a google search for which groups of people in the world never invented a 'chair' over the course of tens of thousands of years...
@@fishjones4618 Yes, the Vorlons aided in the construction of the Whitestar Fleet, but that was only a minute fraction of technological assistance and presumably nothing like the scientific horrors and delights awaiting mankind’s discovery on that planet. By the time humans finally leave the Earth, they too have reached a semi-corporeal state of matter and energy.
idea for proper ending of this show: give the tech to zora. have her jump in both time and space back to the beginning of life in the universe. have the progenitors eventually discover and decipher the tech that eventually ends up in the possession of zora. done.
Going forward, whenever there's some sort of catastrophic loss in Star Trek, and we 100% know that will happen, you should cut to Michael's "what the progenitor's gave us was enough."
"creators creating creators, countless times" given that the universe has a start date you could work it out, ms roll up and use some stuff you didn't build... i guess the race swap does make sense afterall...
anyone else think they just stole Topa's prosthetics from the Orville, and filled the head ridges with plaster? the "modern" version just looks like a female mochlan with some "smooth face" type skin condition
@@TroyConvers5000 Well, Jeez, that’s even worse. The Founder’s appearance was silly to begin with. The original concept of Odo was that he was a changeling but he couldn’t quite nail the appearance of a human so he appears as this “fuzzy copy” version. His natural form is a bucket of goo. So have the Founder looking like Odo in a dress when they can perfectly imitate humans made no sense at all.
@@sdfried4877 i think that choice was more so people could easily identify "the bad guy" instead of a "skinwalker" that can be played by background actor #32 or background actor #183 or strait up Arnold Schwarzeneggar if they wanted, swapping each and every scene, like a true Changling would to infiltrate as well as remain hidden, once the Federation started implementing measures to find changlings "hiding" in plain sight.
Brillant. This video captures the spirit of what i think about this series. Thank god i stoped watching it after 3rd season, which was painful enough, seeing all previous series getting rewritten, devalued, exploited and abused.
The writers basically wrote The Chase to explain the LACK of diversity in the Galaxy :D The progenitor even said: we found no one like ourselves, we didn't like that so we influenced life across the galaxy to resemble us :D That's basically the EXACT FCKING opposite of the message the Discovery writers wanted to deliver :D :D :D
When TNG casually revealed the creator of all life on the Universe and then never referenced it again. At least a couple of religions would've sprung up no?
This annoyed me specifically. I remember crying when I first watched the progenitor scene in TNG and then the Romulan commander offering an olive branch of sorts. It waa so meaningful of what humanity could do. And then one of the writer's of STD watched Jason X, saw David Cronenberg and thought "HE CAN COVER IT UP BECAUSE SECTION 31 BLEEECCK" Yuck.
So the Iconians and the Progenitors are the same? I thought they were totally different and separated by hundreds of thousands of years? Dsc writers: huh? Shut up nerd
So they wished to create "Diversity" in the galaxy by...genetically tampering with thousands of species so they would look and act more like themselves. Huh. And I have to admit, while the notion of seeding the universe with the germs of your genetic code and assemblable pieces of a last message, to serve as one final testament, a memorial to a the first species to find itself in a cold, lonely universe is very touching, even romantic or noble...it does kinda fall on it's face a bit when there _was_ intelligent, non-humanoid life in the galaxy. At least some of it even friendly. Like all those silicon-based beings we've seen over the decades. Or at least some of the insectoids. Or the aquatics, energy beings, gaseous form beings, plant people, Kulkulkan... Okay, maybe some of them (or ones like them) hadn't evolved yet, or had already gone extinct. But... _all_ of them? Or maybe they just weren't the right kind of people.
Michael being formally raised by Vulcans as a Vulcan sure is very very emotional 😂 one of the most emotional characters ever 😂 I’m curious as to what narcissism lead to the progenitors being only black? “We’re to create a diversity” yet everyone is black and female 😂 more like division, preferred them being reddish pink more alien like less human like
@@NitpickingNerd La'ak gets killed by a shard of glass. Moll is severely electrocuted for a minute or two but survives. It's very advantageous to be a woman on this show.
Развлечения
Review of the last episode Part 1 here: ruclips.net/video/u-VYOHC6DFQ/видео.html
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TNG had 4 races present to see the message and learn. STD had just mary sue herself...kinda defeats the entire message there...
STD is worse than having a STD
How?
@@TheSecretWorldRulesI guess, real STDs can kill you or give you scars. This STD just bores - and is very near to kill a franchise.
@@omnientertainment5852 The episode on real Star Trek was about getting the four races to acknowledge their common roots. It was a unified reveal.
This looks to be about finding the 545th way of validating and lauding space Jesus all for the glory of space Jesus.
This episode was about...well, never mind, let's have a wedding.
I'm still laughing with the IQ test from Idiocracy, well done.
I actually spat laughing so hard at that part too. 😂
"the triangle goes in the square hole"
That's the first thing I thought of when I watched the episode.
I wonder how many buckets these people have.
TNG cast reacts like intelligent, mature adults. DEIscovery cast reacts like a bunch of 15 yr old girls. …No offense intended toward all the 15 yr old girls out there.
A fifteen year old girl has more emotional intelligence, tact, & interpersonal insight than every Discovery writer combined.
It's not just a problem of bad casting. And Discovery's casting is the worst I've ever seen. Very weak actors in the main roles, incredibly inferior to Patrick Stewart, for example. The trouble with directing and producing, when there is no one on the set who would tell you how to behave in front of the camera. Weak actors are superimposed on weak directing and you get a modern Star Trek. Expensive and stupid.
@@ttgl08 Agreed. Terrible, lazy, dumbed down writing as well.
The Klingon was the best; “THAT’S it?”
Just offend her. She needs to be offended.
We need to all thank Major Grin for his service for going through all the pain and suffering for 5 seasons of this.
The (comedic) needs of the many out way the needs of the one (just one well written and logical episode) !!
Perhaps he can be promoted to lieutenant colonel.
@@MrWhipple42 i motion ‘Supreme Commander’ Grin and his partner ‘Empress Wink’
He is either suicidal or a scientist
"You're the progentior..."
Modern writers have never heard of "show, dont tell"
This is the single biggest problem with NuTrek. Not one bit of it is left for the viewer to think anything. Everything is spelled out for them with Burnhams endless babble.
- Burnham was raised by Vulcans and is a complete emotional wet mop.
- "Agent Daniels, USS Enterprise." In other words, they made a reference that time agents could have gone back to stop the Burn, but meh....who cares. Mass death and warp core explosions are cool!
- The Progenitors have Progenitors. Why not have one when you can have more?
- The terrifying Breen in DS9 are reduced to lame villains.
- 32nd-century technology is reduced to haphazard space magic and 23rd-century mix mash.
‘Science is Fun!’
He he he he
Why have one when you can have two for twice the price?
they could have srtopped hte burn and prevented the kid from having a temper tantrum????
@@randomrazr If, at the very least, they could have made a concerted effort to find what the problem was and then send Discovery into the past to prevent it. At least in that concept, later revealing that the old man was Agent Daniels would have made for a better surprise, but nah.
Time agents also could have fixed literally all world ending threats across the entire franchise including the borg and the dominion
Black dolphin killed me
‘MEMBER “THE CHASE”?? ‘MEMBER THE PROGENITORS?? ‘MEMBER TNG?? I ‘member. Yeahhhhhh
I member!
Thas rite!
“….Well, smell my fingers cause that’s all you’re gonna get!” - STD
Even BEFORE I watched the video, I was going to comment on how we could SEE that the new "Progenitor" was played by a "BLAKE" actor, THROUGH the MAKEUP. Heck, I even noticed the difference between "Blake" and "Wyatt" actors who were playing "Cling-awns", Rom-you-lens, Car dace Ian's... through the makeup. I guess the differences are MORE than just COLOR. 😏
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Progenitor was Yakub.
We wuz Progenz an shit!
(Admittedly, a sample size of two wasn't exactly much, but you absolutely _know_ that thought didn't even enter the writers heads)
We need more Yakub representation in media.
So called white people can make black people😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I seen that happened a timer to on Jerry Springer Maury Povich you are not the father
I seen this happen on Jerry Springer and Maury Povich somebody get a DNA test I said you are not the father that baby don't look like me that baby don't look like me😂
I love how discovery takes yet another star trek idea (different species working together to find the answer) and completely misunderstands it ('We've got to get the super weapons before the breeen!)
What do you expect when their idea of diversity and representation is "everyone but whitey."
That's because the inclusivity brigade ironically defaults to division and persecution.
And of course the Breen will keep their mouth shut and not tell anyone in the Galaxy when it comes to this incident, because Starfleet decided to make it a secret, and clearly the Breen will too.
Who are the Breen?
@@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp The name Discovery gave to the green jelly manbabies.
@@sargon6000
I mean JHC. They have holes in their shields. They let an emo teenager who thinks she can resurrect the dead take over their entire empire. Is this a comedy? Is this Space Balls? They can't even tell who's on their ship because they have a green mask on? They they invite somebody who they can't even see to a mud bath? Is this San Francisco? Is there no photo ID?
There's also absolutely no reason for classifying that information since the threat is gone, but it's cool and makes the Disco crew more special and that's all that counts.
I still don't get what the progenitor technology is.
The ability to travel to other worlds and spread DNA?
Kirk already did that back in his days!
Its effectively just cloning and genetic manipulation. Both of which the federation isn't big on yet no one brings it up once.
The magic portal corridor is considerably more intrigueing technologically.
@@Janx14 they could travel like that using the spore drive, right?
I was wondering about that myself. Apparently it is to create life. Literally create life. So that means we are all created by aliens and not a god or a spiritual being. Which is kind of terrible.
But why would anybody want this technology? Because look at the Jem'Hadar. One could imagine a million villains beating any kind of slave army for any reason. So I don't see why this tech is dangerous to anyone.
The Federation had The Genesis Device which actually created life from nothing. That was 900+ years ago.
Well, since no one else got it...LOOOOL 😂
We Wuz Progenitors.
your thoughts dwell on......your mother
Das rite!!!
Afrogenitors.
It's Jada Pinkett Smith!!! 😂😂😂
@@Wedontknoweachotherr you mean GI Jane?
Seriously?! I missed nothing not watching this. This destroyer of worlds
The Woke
Star Trek: Space Jesus
More like star trek: JFC
the sheer intellectual incompetence and reliance on better works is depressing
Why wouldn’t the human race/ federation not be ready for advanced alien technology? 800+ years of peaceful exploration surely proves something? Not to mention everything is so technologically advanced, surely can’t be many centuries behind them?
Not to mention that the power to create life has already been developed by the UFP 900 years ago ... GENESIS device anyone?!
Star Trek: Deep Space Cry
In deep space, no one can hear you cry!
Star Trek should never have a main protagonist. No matter what their sex is.
Agreed! Part of the message of Trek was learning to work together with people who were different than you. You know, ACTUAL diversity.
The captain is always the main protagonist.
@@GetterRay agree to disagree. captain was the leader, sure, but up until Discovery, the franchise was ALWAYS about an ensemble cast. the only reason why TOS had focus more on Kirk, Spock and Bones, was due to CBS in the 60's pumping the brakes on Gene's multicultural depictions, so the rest of the ensemble had forced limitations put on the show, limiting their time on screen, despite Roddenberry's efforts against producers.
@@dustinherk8124 Yes, it was an ensemble cast, but the Captain was the main protagonist. He was a protagonist, and he was the main one who would be in 99% of episodes. Even in TOS, Kirk was clearly the main protagonist and Spock and Bones were his sidekicks. The only reason you're arguing this point is to make a point against STD, but being a historical revisionist about how the old shows worked isn't the way to do it. Having an ensemble cast and having a main protagonist, one who is more important than the rest, who gets more screen time than the rest, who is in a position of power an authority above the others, is not mutually exclusive.
The problem isn't in the principal, its the execution. Sisko was literally black space jesus and yet his arc was handled perfectly. Michael is a poor immitation of him. Its not always the case that old trek did something and STD did it differently. Sometimes it does the same thing and just does it worse.
@@GetterRay None of the captains were the focus of the show. Attention to characters was distributed pretty evenly.
The writers never properly explained why this portal technology is so dangerous. All we heard is that they could clone people from Burnham. But the Federation can already do this. The Federation already had far more powerful technology 900+ years ago with the Genesis Device -- which brought Spock and other lifeforms back to life from death. Furthermore, the Federation can now make golems (Hello! Picard and Gray!). Why didn't they mention this to Moll and La'ak?!! Again, what was the point of this effing season?!
That "one last test" trying to put the block in the wrong hole had me howling 🤣
Glad she got to have another good cry (or six) before the end of this dumpster fire.
I really noticed the whispering of Burnham in these clips. It's like she thinks that everything she says if profound or something.
The show is finally over!
Rejoice!
SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU YUGI BUT YOU JUST ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD * Star trek discovery is getting a spin off *
this scene was confusing for me because Michael acts like she recognizes the progenitor and i was trying to figure out which character she is.
She should have asked ''mom''?
Whats even more confusing is if you pay close attention to the dialogue in the meeting scene, michael assumes the lady is a progenitor but the "progenitor" doesn't explicitly confirm it, she's just too busy trying to tell her how to use the machine. Its just so bizarre if you really think about it.
*looks as STD's "progenitor"*
Why of course. Of course.
"And they all died; The End" - Final scene of STD (as written by me)
"Computer -- end program and delete simulation." That's my head-cannon.
that is not fair! you decanonised my episode 1 where they all die and then picard wakes up on the enterprise and swears never to eat cheese before bed again, and then for no reason whatsoever mentions he will never have anything to do with a romulan evacuation or have his brain put in a nonsensically identical robot body
My version is that its a Romulan holo novel propaganda peice to try and convince Romulans of the inferiority of the Federation.
They actually did make Burnham into a god of sorts. She alone single-handedly concluded that there was enough diversity in the universe. What is the point at which there is "enough diversity". Imagine how that conversation with Starfleet went. LOL!
"You did WHAT?!?!?"
I think she might be right this time.
"beyond the event horizon"
Of course the writers of STD don't know that it's CALLED the "event horizon" because NOTHING happens "beyond" that point
Ehh, not exactly. Things DO happen, but those events are causally disconnected from our universe, and vise versa.
The Progenitors’ goal in TNG was to create life in their own image. Now suddenly in STD they want it to be diverse. Diversity was the opposite of their original goal.
Don’t know about that. They seeded their DNA to create life but the diversity is always going to be a product of evolution. In reality, it was just written to explain the over abundance of humanoid life in the galaxy as depicted on the show.
The “white colonizers!” crowd had a field day writing this show.
Bed baby don't look like me that baby don't look like me you are not the father
I miss Star Trek. What Happened. All I know is I will hold on to Star Trek pre 2005. I accept Enterprise. I would RELISH Enterprise over PIC, STD, SNW, LD. Everything streaming is steaming shit.
The worst part of this is that it COULD have been a decent show from the get-go. I believe Grin has mentioned this, but it should've taken place 25 years after DS9. "Burnham" is Sisko and Kasidy's child who is burdened living up to her famous father's name. The "Klingons" from S1 are the Hur'q, who have returned and are mounting an invasion of the Federation. All of the anachronistic technology would be explained by the setting, and it would not ravage existing lore (at least not as much). This would not have solved everything, but it would be a start.
4:30 Why would you classify a message like that? One of the stupidest things for them to try and retcon.
Imagine the sheer number of hallucinagens that were used in the creation of this series.
Probably a diverse and inclusive stash.
Probably the WGA's standard SSRI starter kit.
Well, there were 22 producers.
Don't forget the high potency cocktail of hormone blockers strong enough to grow tits on a Jem'Hadar.
One would think that hallucinagins would raise the bar. These writers and producers are high on their own flatulence.
"Why are you whispering?" ... "i've been struggling with that.."
Bye Bye Discovery. Other than Captain Lorca, Captain Georgiou and ST:SNW, you will be quickly and rightfully forgotten.
The best captains were guest captains on Discovery. lol.
@@Paulafan5 Isn't that interesting? You're right.
That crying dolphin! LOL STAHP!
If the progenitors saw new trek they would reboot the galaxy
The condescending tone of SMG as 'Michael' just makes me want to... scream!
And the whole side to side head nod and whispering routine with the intensely puzzled look on her face… it’s like nails on a chalkboard.
Brilliant! I was just thinking: "Why is everyone whispering" and then IMMEDIATELY Whoopi appeared and said "Why are you whispering!?"
So not only is Mikey Burnham the saviour of the Federation, of the Galaxy, of all crying people. But now she is the chosen one of all reality. O.o
I say, no.
And the Progenitors made a very sophisticated puzzle for the younger races to solve.
But their ultimate puzzle is fit the triangles game for toddlers? O.o
When you have woke toddlers, there are no games to celebrate achievement through failure, but neutral games celebrating sameness of skill.
STD is just consuming old series's canon for writer's fantasy with no respect. I think they even haven't watch old ones.
White nerds have the tiniest dicks
Having no idea what caused the progenitors to vanish, I guess Michael just assumed that the same thing wouldn't happen to the sentient humanoid species currently populating the galaxy. Millions of years in the future, the Milky Way might be a galaxy devoid of sentient life because of one person's shortsighted actions.
I'm surprised nobody asked "is it actually SAFE to toss this portal thing into a black hole?" - sounds to me like there could be all sorts of potential problems depending on how the magic portal actually works!
@@juappdev If by any chance it functions similar to stargates, you could pretty much doom who knows how many planets.
Perhaps it could bring Dr Reinhard (from "The Black Hole") back to life!
To create a timeline where he could have whatever he want happen, JJ Abrams had a star go supernova, the explosion traveling through subspace, to destroy Romulus and Remus, off-screen. The people at CBS have just been following in his footsteps.
Of course, some other people might pick up the pieces and make some stories of value out of the mess, some of the time. In the case of the Hobus Supernova, Cryptic Studios made it into the inciting incident for the main overarching story for most of _Star Trek Online_ , the lead up to and execution of the Iconian War. But you can't expect current-day writers to be able to come up with anything even a fraction so grand. They even borrow designs and aspects from an MMORPG, only to discard and replace them later.
Too much Mary Sue for my taste
makes janeway look like a regular character
@levonschaftin3676 at least we see Janeway earn some of it. They don't even want to try to justify Burnham's shit aside from "we said so"
The fucking whispering is making me crazy. I stopped after S3 because of that.
The whispering and Burnham's emphasis on the last word of every sentence.
Its about a vision and everyone who believes in that VISION @@stopgeorge
I thought with the source of all knowledge they should share it across the galaxy, NOPE, just toss it into a black hole...
They didn’t corrupt this story did they? My god these people have no shame
they said the progenitors goal was to "add diversity" . but what they did is the literal opposite of that . they forced all life to look like them (instead of whatever they would have become naturally, which would have been more diverse)
@@MajorGrinin other words, space jesus meets the space nazis
This disaster of a show should have been called STAR TREK: MacGuffin
Thank God Discovery has ended it was torture
Who was Mickey Spock to decide this? Oh that’s right she is Space Jebus! To hell with everyone else then, Mickey Spock says so!
It's too much power for one person to have says the only person with final say 😕😑🙃
I still can’t get over the fact that Star Trek Discovery’s acronym is STD
like pottery
Actually it isn’t. That is something the fans started.
@@TelcomTransmissions Thats's how it works. DS9, TNG, STD. I mean how is it something the fans did?
@@TelcomTransmissions you trying to use the same nomenclature as ST: Voy? the show NEVER did. so it got tagged with STD, not ST: DIS or DISCO or what ever else.
@@dustinherk8124 STTNG , STDS9 , STENT ...
I just want to take a moment to salute Major Grin for making it through five seasons of this horrendous garbage and watching it in enough gory detail to be able to intelligently and thoroughly call bullshit on the entire sad affair... Salute!!
I noticed that while Picard and Crushed were scanning the Progenitor hologram with Tricoders, the Romulan had his disruptor trained on it.
Truly, STD is the most appropriate acronym for that god-awful show. It's irritating, embarrassing, and it just won't seem to go away, lingering years past wearing out its welcome.
life as we know it... except for the arachnid like, Tholians. the Calamarian, changlings, the Horta, the Kelvan (while able to take human form, are not humanoid) the Komar, Q, Lactran, Nacene/"caretakers", pah-wraith/"prophets", Phylosians, Discovery's own "species 10-C", the symbiote side of Trill, Vendorians etc. there was plenty of sentient non humanoid species the progenitors had nothing to do with, based on how the lore describes.
Is there a show that was taken over by woke people where they did NOT put a black woman or black man as the origin of it all ?
They did it in Doctor Who with the little black girl being the original docter, in star trek twice with Michael and now that progenitors as a black woman again, in He-Man when they did it again with a black man as the original he man, and so on
Wait til you see the new Snow White. I can't wait for the Netflix documentary on polar bears!
The progenitors awesome technology is incapable of creating a clone of a person that has the same memories, yet a simple transporter accident created Thomas Riker
Makes you wonder why Starfleet didn't just copy Picard 100 times and make each ship an infallible powerhouse!
So what you're saying is that the Mass Effect relays were here before the Reapers? And that they can use Citadel Station to invade the Milky Way galaxy?
Maybe for season 6 they could have showed what happened to the "beasts that came out of Dexter Remmick when he was shot by phasers and exploded"....
Whatever you do don't do a google search for which groups of people in the world never invented a 'chair' over the course of tens of thousands of years...
These 5 mins are a better put together much bettter, than the whole 5 series of STD.
Babylon 5- You'll be ready for our Vorlon technology in a million years.
STD- Nah, we don"t need this tech, lest trash it.
Time to party on New Earth.
Not to disparage B5. It’s beyond anything STD will ever do. But weren’t the Whitestars a hybrid of Mimbari and Vorlon tech?
@@fishjones4618 Yes, the Vorlons aided in the construction of the Whitestar Fleet, but that was only a minute fraction of technological assistance and presumably nothing like the scientific horrors and delights awaiting mankind’s discovery on that planet. By the time humans finally leave the Earth, they too have reached a semi-corporeal state of matter and energy.
@@sdfried4877 ah. Gotcha. All the more reason to rewatch it! 😊
@@fishjones4618 It’s got stale bits at both ends but oh, that creamy center.
One of your best!
Watching Sonequa Martin-Green trying to act like she knows how to act is painful...
So much emoshun and divuhrsetay 😭
Im amazed that Michael Burnhams "awe" face looks more like abject horror.
Every time I see David Cronenberg pop up in these scenes I'm like wtf! Like why man... why u do dis
Lost a lot of respect for him
She is like a happy pansexual, no form, individual freedom, total self-assurance. LIke that would happen with pansexuals
idea for proper ending of this show: give the tech to zora. have her jump in both time and space back to the beginning of life in the universe. have the progenitors eventually discover and decipher the tech that eventually ends up in the possession of zora. done.
Going forward, whenever there's some sort of catastrophic loss in Star Trek, and we 100% know that will happen, you should cut to Michael's "what the progenitor's gave us was enough."
Star trek Diversity- the whispering and crying chronicles.
I'd love to have the money to buy Trek, then retcon and destroy all of Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, etc.
"creators creating creators, countless times" given that the universe has a start date you could work it out, ms roll up and use some stuff you didn't build... i guess the race swap does make sense afterall...
that O face moment with michael made me think of The Expanse when james holden got a vision in season 3
anyone else think they just stole Topa's prosthetics from the Orville, and filled the head ridges with plaster? the "modern" version just looks like a female mochlan with some "smooth face" type skin condition
I thought the original looked too much like the Founder.
@@sdfried4877 the same actress (Salome Jens).
@@TroyConvers5000 Well, Jeez, that’s even worse. The Founder’s appearance was silly to begin with. The original concept of Odo was that he was a changeling but he couldn’t quite nail the appearance of a human so he appears as this “fuzzy copy” version. His natural form is a bucket of goo. So have the Founder looking like Odo in a dress when they can perfectly imitate humans made no sense at all.
@@sdfried4877 i think that choice was more so people could easily identify "the bad guy" instead of a "skinwalker" that can be played by background actor #32 or background actor #183 or strait up Arnold Schwarzeneggar if they wanted, swapping each and every scene, like a true Changling would to infiltrate as well as remain hidden, once the Federation started implementing measures to find changlings "hiding" in plain sight.
@@dustinherk8124 Oh I get it. It just made no sense.
Brillant. This video captures the spirit of what i think about this series.
Thank god i stoped watching it after 3rd season, which was painful enough, seeing all previous series getting rewritten, devalued, exploited and abused.
3:33 I need to go back and watch "Contact" again. Props for that!
The writers basically wrote The Chase to explain the LACK of diversity in the Galaxy :D The progenitor even said: we found no one like ourselves, we didn't like that so we influenced life across the galaxy to resemble us :D That's basically the EXACT FCKING opposite of the message the Discovery writers wanted to deliver :D :D :D
When TNG casually revealed the creator of all life on the Universe and then never referenced it again. At least a couple of religions would've sprung up no?
This annoyed me specifically. I remember crying when I first watched the progenitor scene in TNG and then the Romulan commander offering an olive branch of sorts. It waa so meaningful of what humanity could do.
And then one of the writer's of STD watched Jason X, saw David Cronenberg and thought "HE CAN COVER IT UP BECAUSE SECTION 31 BLEEECCK"
Yuck.
We need to create a ST conspiracy theory that explains how every big revelation and technology that wasn't known or existed until TNG was suppressed.
All new treks are just trashy tom parises holonovels. Its the only way this sh*t can be in the same unniverse lmao
We have to treat STD as Highlander 2
So the Iconians and the Progenitors are the same? I thought they were totally different and separated by hundreds of thousands of years?
Dsc writers: huh? Shut up nerd
So they wished to create "Diversity" in the galaxy by...genetically tampering with thousands of species so they would look and act more like themselves. Huh.
And I have to admit, while the notion of seeding the universe with the germs of your genetic code and assemblable pieces of a last message, to serve as one final testament, a memorial to a the first species to find itself in a cold, lonely universe is very touching, even romantic or noble...it does kinda fall on it's face a bit when there _was_ intelligent, non-humanoid life in the galaxy. At least some of it even friendly. Like all those silicon-based beings we've seen over the decades. Or at least some of the insectoids. Or the aquatics, energy beings, gaseous form beings, plant people, Kulkulkan...
Okay, maybe some of them (or ones like them) hadn't evolved yet, or had already gone extinct. But... _all_ of them?
Or maybe they just weren't the right kind of people.
So it’s the Really Great Replacement Theory?
Michael being formally raised by Vulcans as a Vulcan sure is very very emotional 😂 one of the most emotional characters ever 😂 I’m curious as to what narcissism lead to the progenitors being only black? “We’re to create a diversity” yet everyone is black and female 😂 more like division, preferred them being reddish pink more alien like less human like
were they suppose to resemble the changlings in the original release in TNG?
There was no originality in STD
Was that clip of General Chang from Klingon Academy?
when I thought it couldn`t be worse, Kovich said he`s Daniels😁
You're not Daniels...
Why did the Portal start charging itself (altering gravity) after Moll arranged the triangle puzzle wrongly?
It took so much power to zapp a mary sue
@@NitpickingNerd La'ak gets killed by a shard of glass. Moll is severely electrocuted for a minute or two but survives. It's very advantageous to be a woman on this show.
What - did they hire the same writers?
Ok but... WHAT was the dangerous progenitors technology?
Something about a clone army
NuTrek is insufferable
Can somebody please put this show out of its misery?
i can't wait to meet the Pro-progenitors!
Disappointed the Progenitor wasn't played by Nanci Pelosi.
I was disappointed Lizzo didn't play a Dyson sphere.
@@grandmufftwerkin9037 GROW UP
@@rextrek I think you mean that'd be a "glow up" for her
That ain't a progenitor, its Jada Pinkett Smith!!!