Nobody Will Win The Streaming Wars
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Netflix. Disney Plus. Something else. Is it good? Probably not. Bad? Who knows. I don’t. Streaming is fascinating to me. Because, I watch a lot of it. That’s my defining personality trait. I watch TV.
I mean, I’m just talking about streaming stuff. What could happen? Who knows! Wait I already said that in this description. I guess I just don’t know.
But yeah that HBO Max stuff, that’ll have to wait. I’ll be working on it probably as soon as you see this video. It’ll be out eventually.
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If every company goes towards individualized streaming services, piracy will sail stronger than ever.
It already is. I've gotten more people to pirate now more than ever before.
@@jighrgorehgrohtgrhkd chad
Based and Putlocker pilled
as long as I live I shall sail the high seas 🏴☠
it already is, between people upset with HBO max just deleting several shows(some of which can only be watched now thru piracy now), people upset with Netflix's prices and threat of add ads to the service, and other people just not wanting to subscribe to five different streaming services piracy is having a slow uptick in the last couple of years.
“The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.”
-Gabe Newell
Nah that the point. Unfortunately the owner of those companies are too ignorant/stubborn /greedy/stupid to understand this
That used to be netflix for me
Something like the Itunes of old. Or just physical media
I haven’t pirated music for years now since I got Apple Music. I search for a song and it’s there. Streaming needs to be the same if it’s going to survive.
It astounds me that it seems like no one in the entertainment industry has figured this out yet, this quote has literally never not been relevant
Sony really benefited from Crackle failing years before the streaming wars began.
It convinced Sony it wasn’t worth trying make a Sony streaming site.
This allowed Sony to position themselves as the biggest 3rd party media seller/producer for other services at the perfect time.
They are striking lucrative deals with Amazon, Netflix, Disney, and HBO.
They also quietly became the dominant western anime streaming service (a rare profitable streaming service).
The streaming industry really differs from other industries when it comes to competition between companies. Usually, competition benefits customers because it incentivizes companies to bring down prices and dish out better products over time. But when it comes to streaming services, competition ruins affordability, accessibility, and convenience, which are the three main reasons why people subscribe to a streaming service in the first place.
What if every streaming service could rent the productions for the same price X subscribers count ?
Nope. Piracy. Affordable to everyone, accessible to everyone, and more convenient for everyone. You're only right if you ignore the agency of consumers, which, kinda idiotic to do gotta be honest. You can always find a way to turn everything into an edge case, but that doesn't make it right. The only reason everyone isn't pirating is because we've cultivated a societal hatred of it in favour of just trying to legislate companies to do what we want as opposed to addressing our actual agency and fighting them. Why stop buying iPhones if I want USB-C charging and/or basic respect, when I can just get the government to make them do what I want? What do you mean precedent? What do you mean "aouth-ora-terrarium", when did we start talking about gardening? What flavour is a tyranny anyway?
@@robonator2945 what the fuck are you talking about
@@finalcut612 piracy. I thought that was pretty clear given it was the first word of my reply but I guess I overestimated the youtube comment section.
@@robonator2945 nigga no one cares about usb c if you talk to people in real life. Honestly RUclips comments section, circle jerking to the extreme. Piracy is only convienient in some cases, in terms of pirating games not so much adware virus malware sites from shady sites isn’t too good, but movies is somewhat easy to do.
I remember when everyone thought HBO Max was gonna become the best streaming service until the discovery merger happened. All good things have to come to an end I guess :/
HBO Max's problem is that the parent company has too much debt so they are gonna set fire to anything not making money now in order to start resolving those debts. Which means a lot of niche and legacy shit is about to be thrown in the incinerator.
I would suggest familiarizing yourself with some, ahem, more underground avenues of content acquisition.
@@andrejg4136 🎵do what you want cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate🎵
@@spicyshark That's why I'll always pirate. No law in my country exists against pirating (and most of these services are either unavailable or have very limited content), so a win win.
A month or so ago I wanted to change my monthly HBO Max subscription to a yearly one but for some reason I wasn’t able to. I asked support about it and it took them 10 days to come back to me and meanwhile all the drama happened so I was happy that I got such a bad experience with their customer service.
@@DacLMK do you live on Mars?
Just a note here about Hulu, it doesn't exist outside of the US. As a Canadian I get everything on Disney+ instead so they already have merged all their content onto Disney elsewhere
And anecdotally, as a Brit I know a large proportion of people who don't even know what Hulu is so I'm not convinced that there would be the same "double dipping" potential anyways. I'm sure Disney probably recognise that as well, hence the merging of content.
Another note: it does exist in Japan. I’ve been made painfully aware of that fact when I was trying to watch a show that was Hulu exclusive.
In Mexico instead of Disney + Hulu you get Disney x Star+ and ironically you get to buy it at the cable company.
All these American specific studios pretty much all end up on Netflix in UK. We still have the US Office and Friends on Netflix and they are still some of the most watched shows on the service.
Some Hulu exclusives (as they are not on the market in big parts of Europe) are streaming or even put on Broadcast tv with the streaming platforms of the native broadcasters in those areas… not on Disney+. Makes it so hard to find some of Hulu exclusive content over here.
I used to work with Netflix as a customer service rep, and eventually handled more technical things for other customer service reps. Streaming Licensing is so absurdly complicated and unstable, pretty much everything is a limited contract with an expiration date and as stated there's a multitude of layers for each specific property being discusses. One of the best ways I can demonstrate this concept is with how "Netflix Original Anime" works because there are two types: Netflix Original Production and Netflix Original Dub. The former of which are productions like Devilman Crybaby which were funded by Netflix and premiered on the Netflix platform worldwide. The latter of which are productions like Seven Deadly Sins where Netflix did not fund the production, but did purchase the global distribution rights and would helm the English dub and translations for said distribution. This is also why some programs come with Dubs/Subtitles and others don't, because the job of dubbing and subtitling are typically outsourced and thus have separate licensing all on their own.
Thanks for explaining why there's so much inconsistency. You'd think they'd focus on high quality and standardization to give the customer a consistent experience.
Despite who comes out on top, I hope we can ALL agree that no matter what Hulu is in last place. Absolutely inexcusable for any reason known to mankind that as long as we're paying a fee, we should NOT have to see ads.
It's weird how HBO Max was in a very good position and just destroyed itself overnight. Honestly the should have done the bundle thing with discovery like Disney plus and Hulu. Edit: I wrote this comment before he mentioned he would be doing a separate HBO Max video Edit 2: I personally believe that this merger should have never happened if they knew that this would lead them to be in debt
What happened to HBO max?
@@juggerslash7393 let's just say WB/Discovery's new favorite game is How Many Bridges Can We Burn Down As Quickly As Possible?
@@juggerslash7393 people are overreacting about them removing all there least watched shows which cost them money since they have to pay for residuals, if the show isn’t profitable then they shouldn’t keep it on the service, it’s just one of the first times we’ve seen this happen so it’s getting a lot of backlash.
Look up the HBO Max last RUclips video of there shows panel and you can see there’s dozens of good shows on the way to HBO Max
@@juggerslash7393 they removed alot of cartoons including cartoon networks originals like infinity train, mao mao heroes of pure heart, summer camp island,
Ok ko, and much much more
@@juggerslash7393 new CEO took over. Same guy who was in charge of TLC and approved such television greats as Toddlers in Tiaras and 19 Kids and Counting... He just took a bunch of content away. A bunch of legacy HBO shows and a bunch of Cartoon Network shows. Just disappeared can't access it (legally...). The plan is to bundle HBOmax with Discovery because no one was buying Discovery... they are raising the price because of it. They canceled a bunch of shows and movies to use as tax right offs.
Instead of making Discovery a product that people might actually be interested in buying they are just going to bundle in with a product that people already like, make it more expensive and give people no choice but to pay for it anyway if they want to watch the shows they were already watching.
Disney yet again took the magic out of everything
It’s not solely the fault of Disney or of any ONE media corporation. It’s the fault of ALL of them combined making faulty and erroneous business choices in taking a huge gamble with streaming services. Basically, the creation of a huge number of streaming services by each media company both over saturated and fractured the market.
Too many chefs fighting over one cake. The cake ended up falling and splattering on the floor. Now they want people to pay to eat the dirty breadcrumbs.
DVD’s will always be my favorite thing ever. You get to own your favorite shows, you don’t have to go through millions of shows you don’t care about to get to them, you OWN the stuff you buy, you don’t have to pay monthly fees, and you never have to worry about losing the stuff unless you’re an abhorrent dvd collector lmao
Damm right! I've got the complete DVD sets of TALES FROM THE CRYPT, THE THREE STOOGES, MARTIN, THE TWILIGHT ZONE, MARRIED WITH CHILDREN, among others. Never worried about streaming. Even in 2022, DVDS are still relevant to those in the know!
Exactly! It actually seems more affordable to own DVDs. Just catch them on sale and keep going.
DVD is garbage! I'd rather blind myself than watch videos in 720 × 480 resolution. Boomers and their DVDs 🤣
A few days ago I bought a used DVD of Bill Murray movie "Broken Flowers" because I couldn't find it on any streaming service. Also the BluRay was too expensive for my taste.
With all these streaming services, consumers could find a Blockbuster revival more convenient
I fully agree with your take on Netflix. People are way overexaggerating its downfall. They have too many successful originals for that.
It also shows how toxic the market is. They want to grow constantly and the smallest dip or stagnation of subscribers make everyone looses their mind. No wonder they keep pumping crap content (not just Netflix but as a whole) instead of focusing on quality snd longevity. As a company, if something small like this pulls investors out and makes everyone go nuts, no wonder why streaming services keep doing that especially in the past few years.
Also I don't know what they expect, there are limited amount of people that can or will subscribe to a service, it's not like there is unlimited population to infinitely grow, it's close to logic that at some point the subscriber count will slow down or dip down and eventually reach a plateau. They are focusing on the short term gain instead of longevity.
@@toreadoressthey were hoping more people would jump on streaming, it's far from capturing the population of people who watch movies and series, i think maybe an adoption rate as high as social media or RUclips
not to mention they're so big they're in top 5 biggest companies in the entire world
I guess is the same thing as always, some ppl do not like a game or a service so they just call it "dead" but reality says otherwise... 🤷
I do not like Netflix mind you, I am just saying v:
Fun fact, in some countries (at least Denmark) we don't have Hulu, so all Hulu shows are on Disney+ by default.
Hulu doesn't exist in the UK either, so it's the same deal for us.
Hulu is only available in the united states and japan
Yeah
Only in the EU and UK
Latin America and other regions have Star+, wich is a separate steaming service than Disney+
and like Hulu, Disney pushes the bundle
@@jesusramirezromo2037 we have star+ in the EU, it comes with Disney+
Netflix greatly reduced the amount of piracy back in the day. It was cheap and accessible, so users flocked to it. The studios saw this and decided that making a small amount of money off streaming was better than making no money, so they flocked to it too.
Then the studios saw that it was potentially quite profitable, so they decided to withdraw their content and host it on their own platforms. Now the content market is divided and expensive again, piracy is back, and the studios are feeling the squeeze. I’m sure the next 5 years will be very interesting for the streaming companies. Only a few will survive this current era of wrangling for subscribers, and the market will be back to the status quo of 10-20 years ago.
I think that Netflix, HBOMax, and Disney/Hulu are going to be the three big winners. Maybe HBOMax doesn't make it, given how they punted at their own 20 yard line back in August, but I doubt they'll keep screwing up enough to collapse. These are the three I think will be "main streamers". Paramount+ and AppleTV are totally screwed, everything else is either free with ads (Peacock, Crunchyroll, the Pluto/Tubi/Fubo clones) or fills a niche in the market (Shudder, Criterion, Crunchyroll again). There's gonna be room for a lot of shit especially since people are abandoning cable fast, but I doubt the general public is going to be willing to spend, on average, more than $30 dollars a month on entertainment.
@@DoctorCyan what about Amazon prime
The problem is that content-availability is best to consumers under a monopolistic model, while the affordability of content streaming is best under a splintered delivery market model.
Ultimately Disney could end up as the anchor streaming service if they want to, by virtue of simply buying the competition. They are one of the few streamers that can afford to do so (their corporate income being wildly diversified). Amazon probably could as well (for the same reason) but they don't appear to have any interest whatsoever in developing their streaming market. Apple are happy to be niche it seems and none of the others are international enough or have access to enough content to be serious contenders for anything.
With what little faith I have left in capitalism, I hope this comes to pass. Like, that's literally the whole point. If you can't justify your existence through the market, then you don't get to exist.
Capitalism is the reason you have the streaming services in the first place. The other option is zero inovation and piracy stealing from the creators. Capitalism is what created netflix. It’s not perfect but it works. It’s not a fucking utopia 😂
When ya said, “I donno why Hulu exists” let me tell ya why. Out of all the streaming services mentioned it is the only one that also has live tv. Also to get older shows it is basically the only game in town across various companies. Hulu is probably the best out of all the streaming services
Streaming Wars are like Nuclear Wars. There are now Winners, only Survivors.
This happened with music streaming services in the aftermath of torrenting. It happened with search engines. It's happened with gaming consoles, phone operating systems, and online retailers. It's going to happen with car manufacturers with the transition to electric, and I think you right to point it out here. Streaming will consolidate: it'll turn into growth by acquisition, or a bunch of them will just go bust. In any case, once a technology matures and companies start losing market share, a bunch of the players get shaken out and you are only left with a handful. Once this happens it will be marketing moreso than content that sorts the men from the boys.
You can argue this is a function of a market driven economy. When you are all in the same space, the X factor is salesmanship and reputation. That's why big boys tend to stay big boys until they themselves implode for any number of reasons. We may well end up with 4 big streaming services just like we still have 4 OTA networks.
Ehh, I can't agree with that. Most of the listed examples are platforms that just work better if there's standardization or just few. Most bands couldn't run a streaming service on their own. Movies on the other hand cost lots of money so whoever makes them is likely able to run a streaming service. And in case of movies all this consolidation seems to have hurt the creativity so people might turn away from big companies
Not to mention it also happened with the smartwatch market. Back then you had Pebble, Fitbit, Misfit, Nike, etc, but soon they were bought out by the big companies or just gave up entirely.
these are for the most part wildly different stories.
@@tomlxyz “most brands couldn’t run a streaming service on their own” you defeated your own argument within it
Tyler hasn’t gone completely off his rocker in a while. I hope he’s ok
Alf
@@leiferickson1494 this is true
One thing I would like to add about the hulu situation is that when this all began Hulu was big in Japan. Most people around me had hulu and Netflix wasn't really "a thing" in Japan.
Hulu Japan seems to also now be mostly owned by a Japanese television station and is separately owned from Hulu US. Another reason to why it makes no sense to kill it off.
I've already started watching popcorn time again. Hasn't touched it in like 8-10 years before that
The streaming wars has just pushed me into collecting more physical media.
@@draguOdoT Nice to have another matey on the Seven seas with me
@@draguOdoTBoth based
The fact that you can get something digitally and then they just remove it, that alone makes me question it all. Even if you buy it you don't own it
@@tomlxyzworse is that when these streaming services do something funny like purging their show to oblivion for tax write-offs. Looking at you David Zaslav.
Same. I’ve got a nice little collection of animated movies, not even the majority of the great ones, but if I bought them all at once I’d be out of money. Unfortunately a lot of the best animated shows never get a dvd release, and some “Netflix original” movies have been out for 4 years and can still only be watched on streaming. :T
Who'd've guessed that people don't want to pay more for streaming than they were paying for cable? 🏴☠️
Do people not rotate streaming services? I've found having only one major streaming service at a time has more than enough content to last me a month, if not months (plural) at a time. Price ranges from $7 to $15 per month. With cable, it's minimum $30 a month this day in age. And as a bonus, the streaming prices are for ad-free plans, and you get to jump/skip to any point in the program. If you have roommates or have a family, then you can justify having multiple in the same month. Otherwise, who has the time to have so many streaming services going at once? I'll take streaming services over cable TV any day.
@@zxKAOS1 why go through the trouble of rotating when piracy is free????
@@thebaldpizzaman6319 _why go through the trouble of rotating when piracy is free????_
Sheer laziness. At the end of the day, I can just open a web browser, click a few times, and shows/films I'm interested in are right there. $5 to $20 per month isn't a huge deal for me, for all of that.
I don't have have any moral nor legal qualms, but I know some who would. Others... I just can't see them being able to set up this sort of thing. No, it's not THAT difficult to find a good VPN, pay a measly $5/mo, look for stuff via torrent. But I know people who still stick to cable TV b/c they wouldn't be able to learn how to use the internet proficiently enough to stream. Some households, they would rather not have torrenting with kids around.
People pay for cable? In my country TV is free to air... 🤷
How is not free to air there in América?
This is the first video of yours I've watched, and I gotta say, your little outro music fucking SLAPS I was vibing hard to it. Also good video :)
This is an absolute gem of a channel. Glad I found it
I agree nobody will win the streaming wars.
But, I can assure you I am confidant who will lose.
The Federative Republic of Bosnia and Herzehovina?
Corn hub will lose those heretics duh
@@bosanski_Cevap No, The Republic of North Macedonia
hbo max paramount plus peacock uhhh some others I forgot
@@bosanski_Cevap Srpska will be hit the hardest
So far as I can tell, streaming is at some point going to end up as "cable, but on your computer, tablet or phone and also slightly worse." Hooray for progress?
It already is.
Ppl forget the rising prices of wifi too, so the actual price of these streaming services is way higher than cable nowadays
It's already like that basically
It's still better than cable, (there's currently) no ads on most services (and you will probably be able to pay to remove them on higher tiers in the future) and the whole show is accessible. That said, a DVR made cable bearable, you could fast forward ads if you recorded something and they also had some seasons on demand, some forced you to watch ads though. That said, unless you were on HBO or Starz, movies were heavily edited for content, time and even had their aspect ratios messed with on cable, watching movies on cable was irritating compared to streaming.
Ten Year old Tim is one of the best things to happen to TV since, well, Life and Times of Tim. Thanks for using some video from that show in hopes people will watch it.
The streaming wars have taught me a valuable lesson. And that is that i honestly just dont need to see the latest thing that everybody is talking about.
I have no idea whats happening on the baby yoda show... and thats fine.
I think it’s weird that Netflix hasn’t tried to make a show like Friends or the Office for itself. Network sitcoms and procedurals are still very popular on streaming services and provide the comfort food for tv viewing. Plus those old network shows have tons of episodes. Netflix generally cancels shows after 3 short seasons, which then just fade from memory. They need to create shows that have lots of stand alone episodes and release them on a weekly schedule. This will keep the shows from fading and keep viewers coming back.
Those shows are only as popular as they are now because they're already done and can be binged.
EVERYONE has tried to make their own Friends and The Office. It's lightning in a bottle my man.
Netflix is just shitty B-grade movies mixed with literal globohomo propaganda, but at home.
Of course! It’s so obvious.
Just make a new Seinfeld. Why has no one thought of that before?
They did have it for a few years with grace and Frankie and got 7 seasons out of it. But I think the problem is viewer retention. If you release a season all at once, people will binge it once and not pick it back up. Whereas networks and discovery plus and Hulu do the one time a week. I don't know if that's good or bad. But its interesting
I feel like there's going to be a point where a lot of the individual streaming services end up combining something like what Disney pleasant Hulu are doing at the moment and you know either bundle with themselves or some sort of thing so they can keep themselves or just get bought out by exclusive rights.
I'm definitely looking forward to the HBO Max situation I completely canceled my subscription renewal that was coming up after a lot of my shows just got removed without notice and on their survey I let them know that I hate their CEO as well as the fact that I no longer can access these shows at all
It’s just so bizarre how utterly stupid Discovery’s CEO is with Warner Brothers, they were kind of hitting their stride as a studio with Dune, The Batman, The Suicide Squad (wasn’t a financial success but that could b attributed to it being released at the end of the pandemic on HBO Max), and other stuff. Especially with Marvel Fatigue, marketing yourself as the Anti-Disney doesn’t seem like a bad option.
Yeah deleting the Cartoon Network database is, well, cartoonishly evil
That is why I just pirate all my shows. I shove them all onto a 6TB NAS and run plex. All my devices can access the content at any resolution, without ads, completely free.
I have complete control over the library and nothing can be removed without my say-so. I have access to a much wider amount of content on a single platform, and can even have censored content that is unavailable anywhere else.
It is a bit of work, but it's far better than paying $100+ to get a lesser service that is less user-friendly.
That's just cable
@@x-fun3149 the mechanics have changed, but the people haven't. Tech doesn't change human nature, just exposes it.
Keeping hulu separate could also be a marketing thing. Like, hulu is a different brand with a different target audience, so maybe they're kinda worried that some people would jump ship if they merged it because they're not the target audience for Disney+ (albeit I kinda assume that the target audience for Disney+ is "everyone", so probably not)
Excellent video! I always look forward to your stuff keep up the fantastic work
I've been getting more and more anti-streaming for the last few years. I've always been a DVD collector, but now I have extra incentive to head to the local buy sell trade store and find shows and movies to own physically because licenses expire. It's very frustrating to watch a movie on netflix and a year or two later go to show it to a friend and it's gone, or any other service. My only hope is that this doesn't revitalize the cable market, that ship has sailed, but I hope physical home media makes a bigger comeback and I'm not talking about buying a digital copy of something because SURPRISE those suck too
I have a sick dvd collection and I love swapping discs out when something goes off 😌
@@knowledgeovermoney4100 Plus those sweet special features 👀I have a feature length documentary on my wizard of oz bluray. Streaming companies TRY 👏HARDER👏
@@kakerumanabelover The Shrek bonus features are crazy, it just can’t compete
I had a massive DVD collection until some jackasses stole them from my storage unit.
I think a worthy successer to streaming could be antennas and over the air television. Most content aired on local stations are already licensed by bigger companies, If streaming fails They could just license all their content to local affiliates.
I think streaming will go through periodic expansion and consolidation cycles in terms of number of services and content being produced.
We might be coming to the end of an expansion cycle as services that are just straight up unviable start to die.
Though I don't think it's gonna be super drastic, as in every service that isn't Netflix and Disney's umbrella just up and die tomorrow; but will be a slow ebbing, and even big players (like Comcast [Peacock] and Viacom [Paramount]) might decide it would be best to re-enter into consortium with Hulu or Netflix again.
But like Tyler says, the Golden Age is done, this is no longer a novel industry, it's just a young industry, and now it's time for the growing pains.
>this is no longer a novel industry, it's just a young industry, and now it's time for the growing pains.
Well put.
It’s going through it’s Adolescent Transition.
@@UnexpectedBooks oh god. We're looking at 5 or so years of being told "it's not a phase!"
@@FerretPirate lmao yes
I feel like eventually there will be bundles just like cable now... For example a low tier bundle, mid price bundle and then the everything bundle that you pay for monthly and get to stream any show on any platform.
Just not sure which company will offer these bundles. Maybe cable companies or one of the current streaming services
This was fascinating. Thanks for sharing man! Keep up the great content and God bless you :)
It’s more likely that everyone will lose, especially the consumer
They (read as we) did since the start of them, as we couldn't buy things anymore and instead get a subscription to a license that's limited just to the temporary consumption of things.
Consumers lose when there is a monopoly.
pirate what u want my guy
This is why piracy will only increase
@@nekonomicon2983
Been pirating since I'm a preteen, gotta say missing out on trending contents weren't big deal as long as they're in digital with decent quality,and never paid a dime except for Spotify, they're great
The collectors of physical media are the victors.
And the torrenters.
YO HO HO MATIES
Lol, no. That's expensive as fuck for limited reward
@@realfangplays How's it limited if a streaming site can get rid of content on a whim?
Pirated films have never made me sit through FBI warnings previews and ads before I can watch the actual movie I wanted to see. Movie starts, movie ends, no nauseating music loop if I fell asleep.
Oh man you were so spot on with this video its like you came from the future to warn us haha.
Not only does Hulu have part of the Fox family like Disney+, but TubiTV is also Fox owned. So you've got 3 streaming services for Fox.
I’ve noticed also that as there is a shift to more and more streaming services with higher prices, more people are going back to pirating, just streaming using places like putlocker or solar movies for free.
and myflixer
f movies >>>>>
There is someone losing the streaming wars: Us, the consumers---From Daredevil to Friends, shows have been a fuckfest with these services. And with constant questions in quality---Hulu has The Great and Solar Opposites, but then it also has...
Which leaves us wondering where are we going to go? We don't have the viewer-based incentives for shows anymore that can both support a show's cost and quality while also canceling unnecessary bullshit far prior to it being greenlit (vast majority of Netflix's animated shows).
The hope/promise with streaming service wasn't the prospect of streaming---but consistency; you get these shows and movies whenever you want wherever you want---foregoing airing times for 24/7 accessibility. Except you don't; Daredevil's going to most likely be reset---despite the building the three Netflix seasons had already done in Disney's favor (the 13 episode season better be hour long episodes on god) Shows are constantly picked up/rebooted on different services; Seasons for a show often being split between services.
It's all just stupid profits for them and lack of quality content for us.
At this point I feel best with those shows I got collected on DVD. Other than that it’s just one service, Amazon, right now, and I might drop that.
We have most of the majors and still feel like there's nothing to watch. About ready to dump streaming like we did cable.
i think the mcu bloat thats started in phase 4 is another good example of that. due to it all being interconnected its gonna end up causing everything to become more and more confusing for an average viewer due to the fact that theres more and more content you need to watch for contexts. in fact, i think i heard all of phase 4, shows and movies, total to a longer runtime than all of phases 1-3 combined, and its looking like phase 5 (yeah apparently phase 4 just ended abruptly with no conclusion to... whatever fuckin story arc it had?????) is gonna be even more bloated with more focus on shows and... yeah i think the mcu had a good run for a bit. but it doesn't sound promising to be a lasting format by the end of the decade.
and like... this happened because once phase 3 was done now disney had a streaming service of their own so they can also start making mcu shows so lets start shoving some of those in!
@@xxgothicprincessxx mcu is fucking done for. all it is now is OH I REMEMBER SEEING THAT!!! the aha moments aren’t even smart or creative anymore
My mom always makes fun of my younger cousins for there lack of interest in cable TV and to be honest this just proves it’s becoming obsolete. I sometimes struggle finding shows that are even on cable TV anyways. Either way this was a good video and opened up a interesting discussion!
Ask them why isn’t mtv or vh1 showing music?
Many, if not most, of the so-called "Netflix Originals" have not been made by Netflix and are not owned by Netflix.
For instance, the "Defenders" series were made by Disney's Marvel Entertainment and by Disney's ABC Studios. Netflix licensed these shows, and those licenses expired. So, now, the series are available on Disney+, instead.
Disney also makes and owns other so-called "Netflix Originals," including "Ratched," "The Politician," and "Arrested Development."
It's the fragmentation that's the big killer. Netflix was reasonable priced then others wanted in and then they all got greedy.
Fragmentation will ultimately ruin streaming services.
So, you prefer a monopoly, then.
@@Fr4ncM I'd prefer something like the music industry, where everything (mostly) is on all the platforms, and streaming companies sell the experience, not the content.
How did cable work?
Were channels exclusive?
@@kricku cables work because you don't really have any other option, which we have now because the internet is getting more and more accessible.. which is why cable is almost literally dead now
Why would companies spend millions of dollars to produce movies and shows just for Netflix to profit from them?
What annoyed me about streaming Is the fact I can't buy a copy of the shows, I am not interested in renting (which streaming basically is), nor can expect to have internet all the time, and there are shows I want to watch on multiple different streams (and I can't afford to pay for that many).
Yes this! I would much rather own my content then rent it. For instance I own the office and friends. When it started disappearing off of streaming services I didn't care because I owned it. I would purchase something like stranger things in a heartbeat. Honestly most of the shows on these platforms aren't even as good as content done by independent creators on RUclips. In a perfect world I would much rather get the first episode a series for free, buy the season if I liked it and then support independent creators instead. Force companies to actually make good content consistently otherwise they lose serious money.
Pirate bay
@@mpforeverunlimited 1337x is better these days
At least MOST things are still available in physical format, which usually comes with a 'streaming/download' code.
Currently this is still the case even for stuff like HBO MAX, but not sure if AMAZON PRIME is bothering with the BluRay revenue stream, since I assume PRIME VIDEO is just a 'free advertising' for AMAZON PRIME NEXT DAY SHIPPING...
They don’t want you to own anything. Not even yourself.
lol the its always sunny clip when you mention friends was nice
Everybody loses, especially customers... unless you pirate 🧠
This applies to every industry but I would NEVER condone it!
I'm reminded of a period in US history
Where a certain group of people was banned from owning private cinema's showing only their products
Totally different this time guys, i swear. We're not doing that same shit we did back then
Time is a fucking flat circle. Jesus christ...
nothing changed, its the same kind of people, they're just smarter this time and know to dish out the bribes for favourable legislation ahead of time
hava nagila hava nagila
Hm yes I guess we shall pass anti-corruption laws
@Angry JayByrd found the racist
How many times have you gotten the desire to watch a show, sat down and spent an hour and a half looking for something that seems good?
Every single day
The tyranny of choice
ever since i discovered ✨Piracy✨ i’ve since stopped having that problem lmao
Well it's the same as when I was a kid, and would incessantly just FLIP THROUGH the channels for ages just looking for anything worth watching, that happened to be 'streaming' on cable/antenna at that specific time...
The real trouble is KNOWING what you want to watch and spending a half an hour FINDING which service it's on and figuring out how to get access! lol
@@Doctor-Infinite At least with 'On Demand Downloads' you're USUALLY doing it to watch something specific. Not SPECIFICALLY just to watch any random crap that doesn't seem like a COMPLETE waste of time ;)
I kinda feel like a good solution might be to have more joint ventures in streaming rather than individual ones? Rathr than attempt to solely have money all on one's own, these companies could pool together like with Hulu and attempt to share funding and content within one service, cutting down the burden of marketing or producing content or such. Paramount+ and Peacock are pretty weak on their own, but if they attempted to have a joint venture streaming service, it could probably turn out pretty well. Of course, I admittedly have very little knowledge of business, so whether this is even possible, let alone realistic in the face of typical corporate greed or even how these things work, I don't know.
I think the streaming platforms are still sorting themselves out. Maybe what HBO Max did will become the norm. Perhaps the platforms will periodically shed content to keep diverting people from their main content. If streaming platforms introduce widespread advertising then expect this to happen a lot more. With the smaller platforms, their long-term success will depend greatly on the health of their corporate parent who often will make decisions that are not in the best interest of an entertainment division.
And the absolute worst part is don't expect any home media release for anything produced on the streaming platforms.
Stranger Things got Blue Rays but that's the exception.
Paramount has been releasing some of their Paramount+ shows on home media, so they're on top of that
There is some Korba Kai seasons, the Pixar Diseny+ films, and Star Trek Picard (shit show) on physical media
That's what scares me. Imagine in the future whenever a streaming service goes down and all of their original content goes down with it and ends up becoming lost media. It's like what happened with quibi, but with very few physical releases being made expect to see a lot of lost media in the future.
I like Hulu because it has Futurama, King of the Hill, and The X-files. Takes me back to my childhood when I would watch them every Sunday evening. And they are just great shows.
These streaming wars remind me of the dominoes of alliances that turned a Austro-Serbian conflict into the Great War-they all jumped into the streaming ship because their competitors were doing so, fragmenting the market shares into smaller and smaller pieces for even relative winners. Everyone went for broke trying to Schlieffen Plan each other, leading instead to a war of content attrition. The only apparent winners are going to be the ones with the least to lose or have the deepest pockets: Hulu’s low operating costs, Netflix’s head start and reserves of shows, and Disney+ is quite possibly too big to lose.
Peacock and Paramount Plus and almost all the others will be the Romania and Bulgaria, entering the war late and too small to withstand the attrition. Amazon Prime is probably America, where they’re not actually all-in like France/HBO Max so they’ll come out well.
I’m glad you like HBO’s Animals it would be cool if you made a video about it
On the topic of Hulu in Europe, Canada, New Zealand and Singapore they just added it to Disney + for no extra cost under the label “Star”. As far as I’m aware only the USA requires extra payment for Hulu.
The way you describe time slots makes so much sense to me. There is only so many shows that could exist on TV at any given time so the amount of importance and weight a good or legendary show could have on how you grew up and what you found interest in was way different. I feel like my generation was probably one of the last ones that'll ever experience media in that way since everybody now just can consume whatever they want and the level of attachment to shows is smaller as a result.
I was a child when cable started declining in popularity and even I could feel it as Disney and Nickelodeon got more and more desperate. I really liked Defunctland’s video about the Disney bumper jingle where he goes into the eras of early 2000s children cable television channels and the steep decline in the 2010s. The special episode of icarly with Fred for example was a cultural moment for me and kids my age that EVERYONE tuned in for and were taking about the next day. Stuff like that just won’t happen anymore as the media we consume gets more and more niche. I’m sure this also has a negative effect on peoples empathy for others in our political climate where you can cater your viewing experience so heavily to your own views
I love how as soon as he started talking about quantity vs quality, freaking Alf appeared lmao. That earns a sub
I wish the studios would invest more in theatrical exhibition at a time when theatergoing is more affordable than ever if you have A List or something similar.
Regionally it gets confusing too. As a Brit, I just found out we don’t have Hulu. Also we have Prey, family guy and American dad on Disney+ and I had no idea certain regions didn’t as well despite hearing constantly about things like Australian Netflix being empty by comparison
I dunno about Australian Netflix but i know New Zealand one is particularly bad. We have a bunch of local streaming platforms who bought the rights to popular content straight out of Netflix.
Gets even more confusing when we also have situations where shows are double published (bbc,channel 4 shows available on Netflix) or seasons of a show split between two services.
I do have to say Disney+ has a massive catalogue in the uk.
Same for India we have Disney+hotstar which has all of hotstar content but doesn't have the complete Disney library,
And gets so frustrating when I boot up and old show from my childhood only to see that the third season is not uploaded.
Hulu is US only and outside of the US, The Disney content that's on Hulu in the US, is on Disney+ outside of the US, so not just in UK
Star Trek Discovery was on Prime Video on anywhere in the world except the USA. When Netflix removed The Office, it was still available anywhere in the world except the USA. It's such a web of mess.
I rather just collect blu-rays and DVDs at this point honestly.
I just download digital rips of DVD's and Blu-Rays for free. I don't want plastic discs taking up space that cost money.
@@Magpie1701 where do you get your sauce
@@presidentcherry6193 123movies, yts torrent, kickass, 1337x
Id be open to buying more DvDs/Blu Ray discs if they werent so ridiculously overpriced. Even digital purchases of movies/shows is absurdly expensive. Should be 50 cents an episode tops.
AND THE WINNER IS..... the pirate bay
I didn't even realize I had Prime video until about a year after I started my Amazon Prime account. Glad I did though. Good Omens, Invincible, The Boys, Vinland Saga, and Reacher have all been enjoyable shows for me
Gotta say, I’m a big fan of Hulu just for its live tv option. Being able to use my Nintendo Switch as a cable box is pretty sweet
I've found that Tubi TV, Pluto TV, IMDB TV, and a whole score of free-with-ads streaming services have just as good of a selection as the paid streaming services.
*At that point, why bother paying for streaming?*
TBH, I watch Tubi tv for more than the paid streaming services I have thanks to its vast amount of content.
It's free if you don't value your time. You're paying by having to watch ads. Frankly the monthly payment is a better deal.
Tubi has some weird stuff on it, I found a “Happy Sciene” animated film. “Happy Science” is a Japanese cult. Highly recommend mother’s basement reviews of their films. They’re pretty insane.
I hate that format but honestly it's what I see a lot of people gravitating to, it's just too expensive to subscribe to multiple paid services for a handful of shows or movies they like, assuming said services even have it in their library after a year.
because I hate ads and I can afford $20 a month.
Every time you mention Netflix's original content, you flash Arcane on-screen, and I relate to that so hard. Arcane at this point is the only reason I've held on to my Netflix account for this long
I feel like eventually we'll get to a fusion of the old and the new ways, with premium ad free subscriptions or cheaper subscriptions that play just as many commercials as television, and possibly paid 24 hour rental streams of new movies.
the sheer amount of streaming services means that any content people actually want is strewn about between too many different services.
Because people don’t want to buy 5 services, this means that no service will prevail.
If a streaming service wants to be on top, they need to consolidate all content into one place.
That’s actually a bad thing if all entertainment companies merged together
@@mr.x2567 it's called a monopoly
@@mr.x2567 Alternate idea. You'd have one open platform everyone could upload content to and subscription fees would be distributed based on a percentage of watch time of content.
Who would actually run such a platform is beyond me.
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 *Sherman Anti-Trust Act wants to know your location*
You mean like CABLE and/or SATTELITE TV companies, except streaming online instead of spending a fortune launching your own satellites!
This actually WAS what Netflix essentially was, and I guess once the unprofitable streamers are finally put out of the misery, then where ONE 'network' wins, and all of the 'losers' end up licensing content to them...
Streaming was at its peak in 2017, HD netflix was 9.99 a month and Hulu was about the same. If the prices didn't literally double, I wouldn't have switched to other... certain websites lol
ahhh i love cooperate burocrosy. its like watching two trains run at each other with every one you don't like, fighting one another on board. Sure you might be on of the the trains, but if your some who is not in management, like me. Then you already know what bush you are gonna land in when you jump the tracks.
The always sunny/friends reference was perfect 😂😂 3:55
Pretty much all of Hulu's shows are on Disney Plus here in the UK, mainly as not only does Hulu not exist here, they even IP block people outside the US from watching it.
Netflix also lost all their BBC shows like Top Gear and Doctor Who to BritBox here.
When did Neflix ever have Doctor Who and Top Gear?
@@Carewolf I think it was regional. PRetty sure I saw at least SOME SEASONS of Top Gear UK on Netflix in Canada. But I remember it was ONLY like seasons 5+ for some reason...
And the OTHER problem even with PHYSICAL MEDIA are things like MUSICAL RIGHTS issues. I'm pretty sure that ALL of the TOP GEAR DVD releases REPLACED the GREAT CLASSIC ROCK/POP music featured in the original broadcasts, with 'Generic Up-Temp Music' for the DVD releases... Issue being that they couldn't afford the MUSIC COPYRIGHTS, which were initially covered 'free' since the show was on the BBC, which already owned musical copyrights for ORIGINAL BROADCAST...
And it's AMAZING how much GOOD MUSIC can improve a program! It's just BETTER hearing Pink Floyd or Radiohead in the background than imitation 'elevator music'...
@@Carewolf They definitely did. At least here in the UK.
@@Carewolf netflix US had doctor who back around 2014-2015. I remember watching it first on there.
I dunno why but the commercials for BritBox always got me to giggle. Something about a service dedicated to British content only just tickled me.
I think Netflix will survive. I mean they started with DVDs, started making their own content when studios started taking their stuff off, and now they're doing an ad supported version. They continue to evolve so I think they'll survive. Also people like their original content like Arcane, Cobra Kai, Squid Games, etc. Hulu will survive, however I think Disney will eventually buy all the shares and merge it into Disney+. Why have two streaming services? I'm not sure if the smaller, newer streaming services will survive, but who knows. I think some of them will merge. There will probably be 4 major streaming services like how there was 4 major networks.
Fun fact: Cobra Kai was originally a RUclips Premium Original Series before they moved to Netflix.
One of the thing I found on Amazon Prime is that some of the movie and show require you to have another subscription from another stream service to watch it. Another thing they do is that they made the unknown movies or shows no longer prime meaning if you want to watch them now you'll have to buy all of the episodes even though the reason people watched them was because they part of prime.
I appreciate the joke of using the it’s always sunny friends intro when talking about it
This is exactly one of the reasons why I buy physical media
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@@ericcartmannWhat software do you use to rip DVD and Blu-ray disks?
@@ericcartmann PHYSICAL MEDIA IS FOREVER BUY LASERDISC
I love the fact that you put a parathesis about the HBO MAX dilemma.
I currently just have Paramount and Hulu (though I'm about to pause the latter). Paramount has been a mainstay not because of their difficult to use interface, but because I love Star Trek and they've been putting out new episodes and series like crazy. I want to show my support for the franchise. But in general, I might subscribe long enough to watch the couple of shows that interest me on a service, then cancel when done. Since nothing is consolidated on a single service or two (and too many good shows get cancelled prematurely), it's harder and harder to justify paying monthly subscription fees.
"I Love Lucy" and "The Twilight Zone" are still popular, even though they were shot in black-and-white.
Not every older television show is "Perry Mason."
True but you still won't find many people under 50 watching this stuff. I like the dozen or so episodes I've seen of Twilight Zone though.
How many of the prime advertising demographic even know what "The Twilight Zone" or "I Love Lucy Are"? Of those, how many would actuyally pay to watch it?
Truly an inspirational video from a modern philosopher of our times
How would you know? It came out a minute ago
@@recitationtohear gut feeling (I wanted the comment to be early)
It’s amazing how they expect to win and remain having profits while every month they add more ads and jack up the price more.
I think tv stations, especially in smaller countries are going to have to end up reinventing strategies or fold if they don't produce enough of their own content.
Here in Iceland we have two general tv networks; The national broadcasting association (RÚV) and Channel 2 (Stöð 2).
While Rúv might be safe, I don't know if Stöð 2 will be.
Thing is, both have to deal with a hell of a lot of broadcast rights for content they rent from content producers which are nowadays popping up with their own streaming services. While that's all fine and dandy, it'll undoubtedly influence smaller networks when they can't get content the viewers want anymore because the creators simply aren't subletting the broadcast rights anymore.
I remember when Netflix first started streaming, if you wanted to watch a movie, you'd have to select a DVD as if you were going to rent it and them click the streaming option, but if you wanted to watch a TV show, since this was back in the age of "lets split one seasons into five volumes" you would have to search for all the volumes and switch DVDs when you wanted to go to the next one, and sometimes they didn't even have all of the volumes, let alone the entire show
1995 to 2015 I'd say was the Golden Age of the internet. That sweet spot where it was a wild west of content made with nearly pure motivations of creativity and very humble and small scale profit incentives.
Once corporate smelled money in the water from stuff like Netflix and Google owned RUclips, it was over. The Internet is getting dragged down from this novel space of fresh ideas to be more and more in line with what the dinosaurs of the media industry understand.
Remember when Homestar Runner and Ask a Ninja was the hottest shit you could watch on the internet? That's the golden age. Not because of the quality of those shows, but because of the genuine, grass roots creativity behind it.
We need to go after the capitalists ruining our world before they take everything from us.
Totally agreed.
The lemming class of people should never be allowed to touch things as they are corporate drones who want to throw money to have something put the rest of the way onto their lap with minimal effort, it's why the most shocking or outwardly "Weird" subcultures have thrived untainted because there's no way to make them marketable.
god i remember coming back from school in like kindergarten or 1st/2nd grade to play wheely on some ass online games website
Very agree. Then everything start to become greedy, stupid, and uncreative in unhealthy competition for getting more profiit since 2020
I hope renting stores come back. Quite a few have survived in my town so this may be their oportunity to be reborn, just like how the crash of TV has revitalized radio shows. I really hope physical makes a comeback, or a digital store kind of like Steam, I hate streaming services. I really want to have these shows on my fucking shelves and display them.
What I mean is, Apple make a physical version of Prehistoric Planet, please. That show needs to be on my shelf alongside my old Walking with Dinosaurs disk that doesn't even work anymore.
Has your walking with dinosaurs dvd have disc rot?
@@SlapstickGenius23 I'm not sure what disk rot is, but a lot of the episodes get stuck at a certain point because of how many times I have reproduced them. Unsurprisingly, New Blood and Cruel Sea still work fine as those two were the scariest for me as a kid.
Little known fact: Steam is also a game streaming service. You own NOTHING on Steam, it's just as licensed as streaming content.
@@Nala15-Artist True, but it's diferent since on practice almost anything is removed from Steam and it doesn't cost anything to the owner of the content nor Steam to maintain it's existence (except for multiplayer games and strange decisions). So there just isn't an incentive to remove stuff from it or prevent the access to stuff on it. I mean, they could, but they don't gain anything with it and loose both reputation and trust.
It's not a streaming service. It's a licencing service. The diference seems subtle but it's a huge deal because it doesn't cost money to maintain (well, except for Steam itself, but they are drowning in money and I don't see that situation changing soon).
You didn't mention BritBox and Acorn... two of my favorite services. I've dropped HBO, still have the others listed but plan to drop Netflix, Peacock, and Paramount when family will let me. Right now I watch (1.) Orville (2.) Classic Reels movies and (3.) Garden Rescue (Inside Outside). Personally I'd gladly pay $20.00 a month for more really high quality gardening shows. The only show that really impressed me on Netflix is IT Crowd. Caged with Covid in the past, I've watched several shows I wouldn't have otherwise. Personally I don't want to indulge in more than an hour's content per day. There are so many other joys in life. I'd love to pay per program, not channel. Hope that impacts the future.
This really reminds me of the Video Game Crash of '83. It is basically the same story with different characters.
Firstly, the kind of advertising that these streaming services should be focusing on is self promoting the shows that they already have. Much of Netlflix's actions as of late seem to stem from thinking the original content they invested in such as their animated projects, many of which have been cancelled now, have been underperforming because not enough people are watching them and as such are not profitable even though they are very much at fault for not properly promoting said original projects along with the movies and shows they got licensed to stream on their service.
Secondly, another reason why the streaming era is a bit of a mess right now is because of bull headed companies looking at Netflix's various successes and deciding they were going to want their very on piece of the pie and started saturating the market with all of these streaming services. All the while not comprehending that the entire point of people transitioning from cable to Streaming was so they no longer had to deal with all the problems of cable and as such these jokers are now trying to turn Streaming into the new Cable.
How the heck are aspiring content creators and amazing projects ever going to get the attention they deserve when these jerks keep spreading the attention of the masses even thinner than it already is.
A lot of their animated projects are also just . . . not very good. I mean, some are great. Arcane is amazing. A lot of the licensed anime (which is I know, technically not internally produced) has been pretty solid.
But stuff like Bigmouth?
-Shudder-
3:54 i love when he said Friends, it shows It's Always Sunny which isn't even on Netflix, it's on Disney+ (at least in my country)
We're currently in the "Sega VS Nintendo console war" stage of streaming services development.
We just watch and wait for a majority of the competition to fall like Atari - and eventually Sega did - before the victors will emerge and the market will settle.
I want to watch shows in a cable type format. If an option was available to select 3 or 4 shows that played a couple episodes then played a couple episodes of a different show so on and so forth. Play each show from episode 1 and when the next episode is shown to be the start of your next show have the option to continue the current show. Another issue streaming services cause is the need to pay for multiple streaming services just to watch all the shows all the shows I ewik watch
I remember back in 2016 when I used to watch this guy for his history content. I was at that age where all you want to do is know more useless facts than everyone, and oh boy I did. Although now I see that my strange obsession with WW2 and the Cold War was just silly and most, if not all, the information was stupid and useless. Now Cody is producing the same strange and useless information that I LOVE.
Also, why did you change his name?
6:20 Ah yes, the "Perry Mason" moment.
they're merging paramount and hbo max together so perhaps in the end there will only be 3 left until eventually only one is the reigning champion although me personally I prerfer dvd because i hate constantly looking for something i want to watch and paying yet another service just to be able to watch something.
I remember watching a lot of cartoons on analogue TV back in the 90's and 2000's but most of the stuff I enjoyed was not put on reruns very often.
Then my parents bought a Netflix subscription in the early 2010's, back when the service was getting big.
I logged in on my Nintendo Wii and was surprised to see that a lot of my favorite cartoons from back then were in the service.
Then all the Cartoon Network stuff was moved to HBO Max.
All the Nickelodeon stuff was moved to Paramount +.
All the Disney stuff was moved to Disney +.
Some of these cartoons were never relisted or took a lot of time to get into their respective platforms.
Now just like in the 90's you're not sure if some of the content you enjoyed is gonna be available or not in your particular service.
So we're back to square one, only things are more cumbersome, dystopian and expensive than back then.
Another thing to keep in mind is "Hulu with Live TV."
My mom still want to watch her cable TV channels but I'm tired of dealing with the cable box and the much higher price increases with traditional cable. So for the same price of a basic Spectrum cable TV package, we get Hulu on-demand, Hulu with Live TV and cloud DVR, and recently Disney+ and ESPN got added with the $5 hike.
No need for a pesky cable box or having to call just to cancel or add channels. We're subscribed to it just like any online streaming service.
You get normal cable with Hulu?
Live TV can be had on cell phones (eg Samsung TV) or for free with an OTA antennae.
I've been a Netflix subscriber since 2003 when it was a DVD home delivery service. I remember when they introduced streaming in 2007/08 and it was free with your subscription. And then it was an $1/mo. extra for streaming on top of DVDs. And now it's $20/mo. for the top-tier package with no DVDs at all. It's hard to believe I've been paying Netflix every month for nearly 20 years. 🤣🤣🤣
6:34 one thing that's different today than it was for young GenXers and older Millenials growing up is that at least we were exposed to alot of older media via syndication deals and good ol fashioned channel surfing. Older media now fades ALOT quicker than it used to.
6:15
Me, whos 17 and about to go into a bond marathon icluding the 60's movies and grew up with age old things