The Collapse of HBO Max
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Warner Bros Discovery and HBO Max are collapsing in a beautiful way. Shows are getting axed, layoffs, CNN+ existed.
So today, I’m gonna talk about it. Batgirl, Scoob 2, DC, all that stuff.
Maybe I’m right, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Dwayne the Rock Johnson will save us all.
There’s just so many baffling decisions, and some are justified, and some are just fallout from the previous owners, but sometimes it’s just truly bizarre stuff that I can barely wrap my head around.
I’m personally leaning on “it’s all over” for the company, but what do I know.
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So I was gonna detail the whole “batgirl” controversy much more, especially the taxes part, but it got a bit bogged down with speculation and rumors and other such things.
The Batgirl movie was not cancelled for “tax deductions and write offs”. The government doesn’t simply reimburse a film’s production budget because it was wrote off. Since the studio is loosing a significant amount of money by not releasing the film, regardless of the whole tax situation, the reason it was cancelled was due to the content of the film itself.
Now since I haven’t seen the film, I won’t say why I believe it was cancelled, but there’s quite a bit of speculation online.
Could be the quality, political stuffs, anything.
But yeah, it wasn’t taxes.
Thanks for this. As an accountant/tax preparer, my blood pressure spikes whenever someone says "tax write-offs." It never means what they think it means.
Also you left out the one good thing about this service that they seemed to keep was Studio Ghibli.
*losing
Also, I would like to see a video on this topic specifically
@@Nathanatos22 theres not much more to say about the topic that he hasn't already talked about
Batgirl was obviously cancelled because it was dogshit.
That is just sad. Warner went from being Disney's top competitor, to spit balling ideas in hopes something sticks. Reminds me of the whole Nintendo and Sega feud
at least sega has a visible future
@@dinosaurusrex1482 The fact that Sega out of everyone nowadays has a biger grasp on the future than WB is kinda funny to me
@@dinosaurusrex1482 what future? I haven't followed SEGA closely for a while.
@@realfangplays sonic, bayonetta, persona
@@dinosaurusrex1482 Yakuza and so much more
If Dwayne Johnson ends up saving WB, he will be able to write his own check in Hollywood. They'll build a statue of him the size of the WB watertower at WB studios.
God that would get meme'd to no end.
“Clint Eastwood? Tom Hanks? Nah step aside for the Rock”
@@zombieranger3410 Mf Hollywood Hill is overshadowed by the western US' version of Lady Liberty.
I now have a reason to see the black adam movie
With Kevin Hart standing waist high giving him the high five
The level of incompetence needed to get to this point in WB’s demise (considering their library is stacked with content that people love) is truly something to behold.
I feel like nobody has really thought through how stupid AT&T anti net neutrality plan so I want to just play out how that would have gone
AT&T: hey I see that you don't have our services so now you can't see WB content
Average Consumer: well I guess it's time to cancel HBO Max
AT&T Wait I never said you had to cancel it why not just buy our services
Average Consumer: because I already signed to a contract that would require me to take a fee to get out of and I don't want to go through the ordeal of changing my internet provider plus Netflix and other streaming services already has more than enough content to keep me content
Artists tryin to do good work vs loudmouth cockswingers. Tale as old as time.
The especially tragic thing is before all this HBO max was the best streaming service available
What HBO Max did to animated shows and creators is beyond absurd. There’s no way the amount of money they saved was worth the complete loss in public faith in the service
Well given what we know, they didn't even save any money, the stunt cost them a shitload more.
Bro they don't give a damn, peoples lives and work apparently have a cost, and right now that cost is a few extra pennies, human life will NEVER mean more or be more important than money to these companies 🤷🏿♂️
Bro they don't give a damn, peoples lives and work apparently have a cost, and right now that cost is a few extra pennies, human life will NEVER mean more or be more important than money to these companies 🤷🏿♂️
but I know where the money will go, into the fire, and the same with your soul!!! 🔥
its not just HBO Max. Its all of them. Netflix especially. it seems like streaming services hate animation. Netflix, Disney+, HBOMax etc are canceling and taking off a bunch of shows including their own in-house productions because they dont want to pay the actors royalties. there is a strike going on because of this
The worst thing about this is that we were SO CLOSE to a revival to western animation. Welp, guess it's back to indie.
Edit: Man, this has destroyed me more than I thought. I mean this is my DREAM, I've always wanted to be in the animation scene for all my life. Now I don't know if western animation will be around when I go job hunting. God damn it, I don't even feel mad anymore, im just numb.
rip bozo😔
That's probably the worst part. CN and Adult Swim have been where new 2d animation is born for a decade and now we're back to just anime and random Disney and Nick gems.
It's only for children and gay people, that's what the corpos think.
@@Horatio787 A fate worse than death...
@@Horatio787 can you summarize that
Message to Media Corporations. "Shitting the bed is not better than not shitting the bed."
Trying asking what will attract people to your yard. Not what will trap them in your walled garden. That is an abusive relationship. It's why people hate you.
The TV streaming services are a walled garden in structure however, without exception (maybe not counting RUclips and copycats ). The music streaming services show the alternative, where distributors are separate from the producers. But it is hard to imagine things will change.
What AT&T was trying to do was essentially vertical integration without any idea of how vertical integration actually works
I truly feel sorry for all of the animation studios that got screwed
Maybe they can go talk to Netflix now
@@AshrakAhmed Hell no man. Netflix has god awful quality control. Amazon's the last hope now
The animation on Netflix is on average good to great , you are mistaken in this. Hilda, Kipo, cup head are great, boss baby is for small children but is good, the animation films are excellent like Klaus, voyage to the moon, etc. I hope Netflix hires a lot of these hbo animation personal.
@@NoName...... You're talking quality control and you bring up Amazon? Not saying they have bad first party shows, but they truly let anything on Prime Video
@@AshrakAhmed Netflix is treating animation like shit right now the same as HBO Max and other companies
Too many streaming apps it’s overwhelming.. theyre better off selling or idk renting their shows to other bigger streamers like Netflix or Hulu
A couple of things here. The Batgirl movie cancellation had to do with a one time tax write off for assets acquired in the merger. That had to be done sometime before August so that has a lot to do with the abrupt timing (this write off is in addition to other depreciation). Zaslov (the new head honcho) is on the record as favoring unscripted content (aka reality TV like Honey Boo Boo) as opposed to scripted stuff (like West World, Raised by Wolves...etc). My thought is that he is vastly out of touch with his audience...VASTLY. Then there is the whole CW fiasco. Contrary to what anyone would say, these super hero shows that they cancelled en mass were wildly profitable due to the deals they had with Netflix for streaming rights after the season was broadcast. Netflix was paying BILLIONS (with a B) for those streaming rights, that doesn't even take into account many of those cancelled shows were close to airing long enough to get picked up in syndication (another no brainer cash cow). I can't look at that decision to mass cancel basically the whole network as anything but an ego thing that they just didn't want Netflix to have the content and better to cancel it than let Netflix pay you billions of dollars. I agree...I think I could do a better job running this mess.
Focusing on fake reality TV has got to be the worst decision, that stuff is dying out. It's not the 2000s anymore and there's a million vloggers and live streamers for free online.
Seems ironic given they seem to be auctioned off some of their stuff........which Netflix could get and this get content and even a bit of good PR potentially (Which given their constant insanity and stupidity, they desperately need.).
With one of my favorite shows (Infinity Train) being removed from HBO max, its ONLY distributor, I feel like this stunt is hopefully going to cause a revival of online piracy, which is seriously the only way to watch the show Infinity Train.
As if piracy ever left.
Ahoy, me mateys
It never really went away, but most of the progress really was in anime (community subtitles, advanced encoding, organization and tagging, etc.). Crunchyroll and the few other sites did such a bad job that the dedicated fanbase out-developed them. Cartoon media hasn't had quite such a bad time on streaming services, so there hasn't been the same levels of development. Bee and Puppycat's second season snafoo was certainly a point where a need started becoming clearer, but this might indeed be the last straw for many. I hope at minimum contracts start including required physical release. It's what keeps anime so alive and well archived.
This is the only reason I really subbed to HBOMax and canceled my sub today. They had IMO the best place to stream animation from Close Enough to Harley Quinn to the classics of my childhood. I'm seriously less and less sold on streaming and using the cloud in general because these services haven't given me a reason not to have trust issues.
@@snowfox7739 Yes, I wanted it for the animation, too.
Well, guess it's one less subscription.
I have to disagree about the animated shows on HBO Max having low viewership. Infinity Train was one of the most highly viewed shows on service. There’s no good reason for it to have been removed.
Even if some shows have low viewership individually, they add variety to the service, which keeps some groups subscribed (and it is cheaper than covering all their bases with new shows). Amazon has some absolute B-schlock in their library, but it costs them almost nothing to keep it licensed and as long as some people keep those movies in their watchlist, saying "I want to watch this weird movie some day, since it is free on Prime" (leading them to not cancel their Prime subscription), it has served its purpose.
the answer is simple
people don't respect animation
especially executives
It's not that it has low viewership
it's that it's viewership is low COMPARED to the movies and other stuff on hboMAX
Which in itself, by cinema standards, is astronomically low
Infinity Train had decently high viewership for a tv show, but note that it's high viewership is counted for the entire series, not just individual episodes
@@3faltigeralexandro he didn’t say it was low, he said it was to low to pay for the exorbitant fees they pay to the actors to keep it airing.
.... if it had views they wouldnt get rid of it
HBOs first sign of struggle was passing off “Masters of the Air”. The third mini-series in the Band of Brothers family of shows, a series that very much helped kicked HBO into the big game. The success of the show at the time was huge during a turbulent time for “premium” channel services. This now is Apple TV’s first major project and will likely make some significant impact in their streaming service subscription count (they agree, as they’ve spent nearly $250 million on it). This decision was made in 2019, or at least finalized in 2019 which likely means it was made much earlier. Anytime a entertainment company starts to dump off its flagship content, especially such highly acclaimed content, it becomes evident there’s likely some deep flaws occurring.
HBO was already big before Band of Brothers.
If anything, The Sopranos was a bigger catalyst in its success
One aspect that seems unnoticed is that Warner since AOL was in huge debt, AOL sold it for that low because it was more profitable to them and get rid of that debt
With streaming services they can get a stable income, just not what companies expect (which is ALL the existing money in the world)
Zaslav's decisions for sure are petty, but mergers have an intended purpose, even the ones that at face value don't make sense
This isn't an excuse because why should I defend a multi million company? But it's an understanding as to why they f**k up so regularly
Fun fact, AOL never sold Warner Bros. The company made out of AOL and TimeWarner's merger continued till they merged with AT&T. It's just TimeWarner realized that they've fucked up and removed AOL from their name and while off loading AOL sometime in the late 2000's to Verizon if I recall correctly.
@@lifeguardpanda Also, technically, AOL *bought* Warner. They were the senior partner.
Which is both hilarious, and sad.
Also, that means the debt from the acquisition likely mostly stayed with the AOL segment.
Yeah but........well a certain villain from a French Game said it best.
"Have I ever told you the definition of Insanity?"
I feel like Disney is just waiting for the moment to swoop in and buy Warner Bros out and further expand their monopoly
Do they even have the money to do that right now?
I don't think it will be Disney.
I don't know who it will be, hell I could even be wrong about that, but I don't think it will be Disney.
@@ShadowWolfRising It will probably be Amazon
@@4sake123 Seems likely, maybe Paramount as well.
Maybe, but I highly doubt this, Netflix.
These companies will need to come to terms that the streaming market is over saturated.
Okay but HBO Max isn’t dying. It’s still one of the most used streaming services
yea give it a couple months that’ll change i promise u. with the current state of what content they’re throwing on HBO Max that shit is gonna die down fast lol there’s only so many people that want to watch another elvis presley bio or a mid 2000s flop comedy. all their “new” content is trash juice
they’re ruining that movie library little by little
@@timeee2kill meanwhile "House of the Dragon" is averaging 29 million viewers per episode.
@@chaost4544 one show speaks for a whole library full of trash juice content? lol
@@timeee2kill "Succession" just won a crap ton of awards and HBO has a catalog of legendary shows like The Sopranos; shows the mainstream watches on HBO Max. The superhero/child stuff you watch is just one piece of a larger pie for HBO.
HBO was consistently my favorite streaming app through the pandemic. even if just for watching reruns of Mr. show and flight of the Conchords it's worth it for me.
stuff you!
It was the DC animated library and Silicon Valley for me
Same. I got the Hulu+HBO max bundle and I cancelled my Netflix, Amazon prime video, Disney + and Apple TV. I’m tempted to cancel Hulu too.
I really enjoyed how brand new movies would show up in high definition blu-ray quality on the high seas on day one.
I miss the stupid decisions desperate Hollywood execs made during covid.
Bruh they steal people's identity, and defame artists, I'm boycotting them 👏
Direct to streaming was awesome for piracy. For a while, you could get every movie in web rip INSTANTLY.
HBO to Chappelle: Why do we need you?
Us to HBO: Yeah.... good fucking question....
It’s almost like Warner Bros is a cursed treasure.
It’s great that you own this extensive fortune of shows, ip’s, etc., but at what cost?
Im a big fan of HBO max. It has so many good shows and movies, having the whole DC brand is a huge appeal to me. It really is a shame to see what Warner Discovery is doing to it. But these problems go back further than when they merge. Warner Bros botched the DC cinematic universe badly haven't really been able to recovery since.
I'm so pissed Close Enough got cancelled. I genuinely loved the show and was looking forward to it going a long way. I've been following it since it was announced for TBS. I'm still so pissed.
"Am I saying I could have done better? Yes, I do"
The executives in high positions in big enterprises are not dumb, they are unscrupulous. This case is just a small example that the mentality of these powerful people is still the same of the 2008, because they know that their bad practices don't have consequences for them, neither financially nor criminally. And, as last resort, there is always government money to save the companies when things go too bad. The bill goes to the poor to pay.
I just hope DC finds a new home. 50+ years under Warner's ownership has seen some really good times, but, the bad times far outweigh the good. Truth is Warner's never really known what to do with DC. I'd like to see them under leadership that does.
All I can think of is to have DC and WB break up into a bunch of smaller companies, literally the only way I can see Detective Comics becoming functional once more. (Also, Dark Horse makes good shit and I want to see them not be restricted by WB anymore.)
Pray it doesn't end in Disney's hands.
@@kavky if the mouse buys it. On one hand
end game 2+ directors cut & knuckles.
On the other hand… the government stepping in and probably shutting it down and pointing out: BIG MONOPOLY
@@Commrade-DOGE Mate, disney has too many fingers in the pie known as the US government, if we want disney cut up, we have to do it ourselves
Look into what Todd McFarlane is doing with the latest Batman one-shot comic with having say over the merchandise that goes with it, if he plays his cards right and finds a backer, he could buy DC and right the wrongs
Thanks for the video essay. HBO Max doesn’t stream in many countries outside of the Americas. In NZ, they license their content to Sky Television and TVNZ, who host Warner Bros content on their own streaming platforms. Not enthusiastic about what streaming service Warner Bros Discovery plans to launch internationally. They have made too many blunders.
Slowest collapse in history, apparently. 🙄
Literally went to watch Harry Potter yesterday on HBO Max only to find it was shipped to only be found streaming on Peacock. This explains it, well here's to the Rock and GRRM to saving an entire 99 year old corporation. Hope it works out for them
Office politics in the corporate sector never fails to destroy value and enrich top managers
Even the other top managers hate Zaslav's decisions apparently.
I'm certain that if anybody reasonable would be put in charge in these companies... they would not survive the cuthroat byzantine politics of the corporate world long enough to prevent disasters like this. One person is not enough to cause a disaster like this, it takes a combined effort of powermad loonies and bootlickers to shut down any reasonable suggestion from people who have a voice (important note: regular workers and consumers obviously do not count)
We need IP protection laws to stop corporates destroying anything creative they get there hands on
Like I said in the other video is really fucking crazy how HBO Max destroyed itself overnight.
i originally had HBO because my goal was to rewatch the DCAU but i didn't realize that Batman itself is like 200 episodes. that's not counting the 100 plus episodes each for Superman, Justice League and Beyond.
Same here…plus all the rest of the Cartoon Network and Adult Swim content kept me going for months. Now screw it.
Over a decade too late to the streaming party with a fraction of the content. What could go wrong!? It also gives them an excuse to claim it all didn't work out because streaming is an "unsustainable business model".
I always subscribed to HBO max for the massive amount of content, every HBO movie, WB movie, CN show and new releases for 10 bucks a month. It's not that surprising that a business model of buying up as much as possible to put on your service for a tiny return isn't very profitable.
Something to keep in mind.. what outsiders tend to see as 'ego' is really just another case of 'money'. executives are generally more concerned about their personal brands than the brand they are overseeing. the video briefly talked about not wanting projects of the old guard and instead projects with their name associated with it.... but really, that isn't 'ego', that is the type of personal branding and association that advances your carrer.. so.. yeah.. money.
I feel like people are forgetting that HBO itself is something of an IP in itself similar to how we view A24. The Sopranos and the Wire are some of the greatest television shows of all time and I personally strongly attach them to HBO in my mind. WB execs would be wise to capitalize on this
As someone who worked for an AT&T retailer when AT&T bought just bought DirecTV. I hated it so much. Their ideas were completely stupid. When people came in for cell phones, I had to pitch DirecTV. Ridiculous high prices when people were starting to cut cables. They didn't care because they wasted a lot of money and when they came out with DirecTV Now, the app for live TV, that didn't catch on. HBO Max was their best idea ironically. AT&T execs went into DC Comics and HBO to start telling them how to do things from Day One and that was the problem as execs were jumping ship. They went from telecommunications to television thinking they knew what was best. Trying to shoehorn in telecommunications service was a terrible idea. AT&T was trying to be the one stop shop for media/communication needs. The worst part was when it was failing so bad, they increased quaota and changed commission payouts to be more focused on selling DirecTV plans. It made a fun job miserable.
Why do I feel that House of the Dragon is the only thing keeping HBOMax alive?
Because you are wrong, HBO got almost same revenue as Disney and Netflix. HBO is not only HBO max. They get a lot of money from normal tv , games, commercial. The cinema pay quite a lot of the money to.
This is by far the best explanation I've heard on the matter so far. Very well done
I love how in the editing part "La chica de ipanema" (The girl from Ipanema) sounds in Lo-fi, its awesome. Also, nice analysis
Even with all this mess. HBO Max still has a better film selection than any other major streaming service out there. Maybe they are losing money hand over fist, but hey I have an incredible watch list on that platform.
On the bright side if things just keep going down hill perhaps they’ll be forced to sell their various copyrighted IPs.
Obviously all the big stuff is gonna be bought up by other companies but perhaps there’s some smaller stuff that might be fun to buy the rights to on principle.
Everyone can own their own little piece of Warner media history.
Yes if they die we can get there characters why do we feel bad for them when the pull shit like this even before this hole cris
And I just learned that not only that Warner Bros. Discovery got Sued, but I also found out many people including analysts predict that, As reported to Hollywood Reporter, Comcast Will acquire the studio in 2024.
HBO MAX really seemed like it was gonna be a top dog streaming service. Unlike Netflix it actually has real classic shows and movies I liked growing up. Shame they are giving up on it so easily.
Yeah, I'm amazed. I dropped all other streaming services and went all in on HBO Max and Hulu and Criterion Channel.
The people subscribing to HBO Max care more about who Daemon Targaryen is banging than animated properties.
Warner Bros Discovery just annihilating everything from streaming even the company itself.
Worst corporate idea in history of entertainment.
Bad news to HBO Max, I already cancelling my subscription because of that.
I'm hoping us fans to step up and shutting David Z.'s corrupted even embolismic mind before
he'll destroy everything. #SaveWB23 We need to stop this.
Next will be Disney will buy Warner Bros for $0.69.
As someone who works in finance for an entertainment company I great appreciate the correction in the edit. Sometimes people mention they get a tax benefit like it magically makes the numbers work, tax benefit or not it's still bad for business to waste $90M to save $30M in taxes. I would add another benefit to not releasing it, is keeps the BS clear in future years. Content gets expensed over years so expensing it all now will make 2023+ better.
"You can make an argument that they lost $20B to save $3B". That would be a stupid argument for many reasons.
This is sad, the WB is being mishandled like a red headed stepchild 😢. Disney is already on a (slow) decline with turning all of their superheros into clowns who spit out jokes.
But the WB & HBO are supposed to be more edgy company bringing us more grown up content. With discovery going out of its way to make their interesting IPs into garbage I don’t know what to think.
Summer camp island was me and my gfs favorite show to watch together :(
I don’t know if it’s still happening, but I heard the series will be continuing in both reruns and new episodes on the CN channel!
I’m praying that that is still happening! (Same with The Gumball Movie, which I heard is getting shopped around.
And as for Infinity Train, last time I checked, all four seasons are available to buy on iTunes and Amazon.)
@@drewo.127 Thanks got your comment! I hope that really does happen. We haven't watched infinity train but it seems up our alley.
HOTD might single-handedly save the company if they don't run out of money first.
Hearing that a massive company literally doesn't have the money to market their movies is really strange and evidence of an implosion. Like, I've never heard that shit before.
Why is there so much corporate incompetence? It's not ramped in every industry or every company, but usually when someone says "an amateur could do better" it's hyperbole. But for stuff like HBO Max, it really does look that bad. Why is this such a problem?
sad to see people this obsessed with acting like they cared about these series once they were gone , HBO completely supports "animation" its not about them thinking cartoons are a joke its about YOU not watch these shows they're all low viewed children shows . South park, rick and morty ,looney tunes , and even the harley quinn show all have huge amounts of money supporting them these cut shows just didn't ,now grown adults are complaining about a show like infinity train that they watched and moved on from being cut when it just doesn't have a sizeable fan base
HBO should have never made their own streaming service what they should have done was kept making content new movies new stories and Lease those out to streaming services. They could have made so many different movies and stories and made money off of it from the initial release and then incrementally by it being on streaming services.
We went from the HBO app, to HBO Go, to HBO Now HBO Max now it’s Max. The name HBO is more recognizable. As far as branding and the old slogan ‘It’s not TV, it’s HBO’ this is brand recognition. Switching the name to Max was just dumb in my opinion.
The people who hate the “streaming wars” should be happy about all of this
When all the weak entrants of streaming services die out (HBO Max and Discovery Plus are definitely two of them), these companies will put their content on Netflix or Disney Plus, thereby reducing the number of streaming subscriptions that consumers need to watch everything
Nah let's just kill off streaming in general push for more physical media etc
@@klonoafan2012
Based and redpilled
tbh i'd rather all streaming services get killed off and we can go back to dvds and stuff
Then they will raise the prices of their services from lack of competition. Monopoly ain't that great mate.
The WB Discovery merget has been like watching a truck full of TNT lose it's brakes going down a hill with a steep cliff at the end. Everyone can see that it's going to end in a fiery explosion and no one can do anything to stop it. I'm just going to put on my safety glasses and enjoy the show.
I predict Discovery will be bought out by Disney inside of 5 years. Slated for release in June 2027, Marvel VS DC. A digitally deaged RDJ (played by a stand-in)is back to lead the Avengers. Resurrected from the dead and played by stand-in is none other than Christopher Reeve as Superman. Ben Affleck is back to play Batman but not deaged.
I think it's expected that WB Discovery will just be bought by Disney
There needs to be a limit on how much Disney can own.
If we are going to turn actors into CGI constructs, just invest in AI generated actors and put the rest in good voice acting. These overpriced actors could do with some competition.
I agree I could be CEO and I would literally bring the company back from the ashes. Like just a few basic financial decisions they refuse to make due to greed.
Pretty much a number of animation studios were forced into bankruptcy because their shows being canceled by HBO Max. Unfortunately for a lot of them they pitched their shows to HBO Max and then had to hand over the full rights to WB to receive funding and access to the platform for their shows but when it came to budget cuts from WB it pretty much killed the studios completely due to them often not being very large.
The streaming service market is insane. A market correction has been needed for a while
If I can make one studio wish, that would be WB separately themselves from small studios and stay independent. They've been nothing but making bad decisions.
Meanwhile: Plenty of people are still tuning in weekly for shows like Fionna/Cake and Harley Quinn. Drama channels always overhype
a former public phone company wants to annul everyone's contracts by cancelling an existing service so that they can force them to sign up for a new and service with different contracts and pricing? wow, I'm so shocked! it's not like they haven't been doing that over and over again for my whole 40 plus years of life! those companies constantly force you to sign up for new services by cancelling, merging, buying each other out, etc. they're all on each other's board of directors and insider trading and kickbacks are nothing to them!
Sigh, I remember when Discovery actually had quality content
In my country only way to watch House of the Dragon (Which is the only show I care about at the moment) is through HBO Max unless you have TV with HBO which I don't.
Also forgot to mention. I'm not even paying for it :D. I have it through my cellphone contract as a deal.
@@heron619 based
You country haven't invented piracy yet?
@@_zigger_ I said literally have it for free through my cellphone company why would i need to pirate it!
A trash fire unless you are just there for DC content, then it’s a wonderland
The fact that they squished HBO Max and Discovery+ together, changed the name and skyrocketed the price only to leave Discovery+ as its own service is the most baffling corporate move I've ever seen.
This, friend, is why net neutrality is ESSENTIAL, for a free and open society. Just an example, in the video, and not a super grave one but what a dystopian play.
11:54 Oh, No. He’s giving them ideas!
Love the Max Headroom clips strewn in the video. Very fitting.
Such mismanagement, but i will always love Looney Tunes, greatest cartoon shorts of all time!
They could also allow international subscribers... I can get Disney+ here in Australia but I cant get HBO Max.
The fact is Discovery+ is much bigger in Europe than HBO Max is mostly because they have the rights for sports properties like Home of the Olympic Games in Europe; tennis’ Grand Slams; cycling’s Grand Tours and more than 200 days racing a year; the PGA TOUR year-round; the best new and existing electric racing series with ABB FIA Formula E World Championship and FIA eTouring Car World Cup; and every major winter sports World Championship and World Cup event.
Makes you almost wish they would be bought out by Disney.
AT&T presents a Warner Brothers - Discovery production, in collaboration with Chipotle, the "bugs bunny lives again (only to be slaughtered)" sandwich, with real raw rabbit meat. Exclusively for customers who watched the "Snyder's Cut"
It's also worth noting that the only image we have of this iteration of Batgirl is Black, replacing a previously White character.
With socioeconomic context, I think WB canned the movie because they took a moment to use their brains and said "the only people who would ever watch this will get mad because we're pulling the same crap the rest of hollywood is doing, and the customers changes like this would theoretically bring in are minuscule if even existent."
It's a rare moment of Hollywood actually chasing the money in a way that's actually profitable, because oh gee willickers, who coulda guessed that making entertaining media makes people want to give you money.
Hbomax should have had an international launch.
I cancelled HBO max wrote my reason as not enough content. Then somehow I got 2 months free. If they would’ve kept my anime and cartoons I would’ve stayed.
half a year later and things just seem silent on this whole thing
Literally all WB needed to do was add a tab on HBO Max called “Discovery” or make whatever other subsections/sub genres that Discovery would’ve added and everybody would’ve been happy but noooooo some millionaire out of touch decision makers decided to screw it up
If they tank the company hard enough, maybe Netflix can swoop in and purchase them to rescue themselves with all that high quality content.
So only Netflix, Disney Plus and maybe Amazon Prime Video will survive… the rest seem to be on life support. I am disappointed in the “fall” of HBO Max when it’s not even yet in my country, South Africa.
I think maybe Batgirl was messed up by internal politics, maybe some people wanted more money or WBD wanted to cut people’s money when the release date would come. But I bet the film was going to do well in theaters 🎭… but oh well we can only hope someone who is familiar with the issues can say something anonymously.
I remember them aggressively buying up tv/movie IP's and had hope theyd be decent competition in the stream wars. Netflix refuses to compete and is hemorrhaging subs and hbo is shooting themselves in the foot. I just want decent ways to watch stuff
HBO Max was genuinely my favorite streaming service, hate to see this happen
It just sucks when management finds a way to waste all our hard work, whatever business you’re in
The only reason I’d ever have HBOmax is because it’s the only streaming service with Little Shop of Horrors(1986) and RUclips made it paid again (I will never forgive RUclips for that)
Man, unfettered capitalism is insane. Here you have these executives whose millions of dollars salaries need to be justified by taking absolutely random, predatory decisions. No concern for art, effort, or legacy. Just profit, and we have to lobby the government to strip a whole nation of their liberties just to make more money, then we will because line gotta go up.
Government intervention is exactly how people can get multi-million-dollar salaries. Without government intervention, copyright would expire quickly and there would be no reason to worry about a streaming service protecting art.
Capitalism is not "the government does nothing". Socialism is not " the government does stuff ".
Saying W.B is a syllable more than "Warner Bros."
I just remember a theory that the CEO might be intentionally sabotaging the company so Disney might buy it
I worked for WB for over a decade and let me tell you, you are absolutely correct. Ego, ego, and more ego.
What happened man why did no one stop them
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 my theory is nepotism and fear. Once you're on the boat you don't want to rock it, and even though everyone could see that most of the executives had no business being there, they were still more powerful than the average worker. It's really no different than any other job in so far as the boss has the final word.
But, with enough bad decisions, the studio would eventually get rid of them. It just takes time.
@@James_Smith862 that’s just unfair where is the union the strikes a company is supposed to be a team not a dictatorship of one person who could ruin it
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 unions are there to take care of the crew and make sure they aren't taken advantage of in regard to pay, work hours, etc. They really don't concern themselves with creative decisions. It all comes down to investors and shareholders. They can boot bad execs but it's never immediate.
In the end, Hollywood has always been like this. It takes the general public deciding to not financially support a franchise or other product for there to be change.
@@James_Smith862 well i hope they learn their lesson and never be in the movie business again
Thankyou for your story sir
Maybe they're prepping us for the Disey merger
It's been almost exactly two years since this video came out. Very excited for the WB-Chipoltle merger!
Honestly at this rate Disney+ might win out on the streaming wars solely because the others killed themselves. Netflix and Warner/Discovery just squandered some of the biggest leads in history.
Amazon Prime might be the only realistic competitor.
Disney plus is still losing money.
Netflix, although suffering, is one of the few profitable streaming services, and is like the only major one to do so. It's not going anywhere.
Kind of sad to see the streaming wars die down. Though it did lead to things like the obersaturation of Marvel shows among other things, there my preferred way to watch media.
Now it seems like most of the content on these platforms are just filled with mediocrity.
Somethings are still good though like Primal, but overall the quality and quantity has gone down.
The reason Netflix worked is they had a lot of content. Now that everything is broken up no 1 service if worth it they don’t have enough “good” content
Honestly kinda terrified that Disney is watching all this unfold, licking their chops. Could you imagine if the new service in 2023 bombs so hard that Disney is able to swoop in and buy Warner Bros.? They would legitimately control like two-thirds, or maybe even three-quarters, of all movie and TV entertainment out there. Wild.
10:48 thank you for starting the graph at 0
When I thought HBO and Disney+ would be the last two man standing.