Does she get ya going by talking dirty legal talk every night? 🤣🤣🤣 Just messing with ya.... and some great points there Pete! I just want Clemson to do well for Clemson. It would be nice if they can do that with the teams they've evolved with but if that's not possible, then so be it.
I agree that Clemson should get out of the grants deal but not the ACC. I too believe that the courts will allow Clemson an avenue out of that deal because of their national brand. What Clemson wants is to be able to market their home games to the highest bidder; that bidder could be the ACCN, SECN, ESPN, NBC, ABC, FOX. Clemson has positioned themselves to do so when they built their 'NIL branding institute'. I don't see Clemson fighting to leave a rights deal to sign another rights deal with the SEC or BIG10. If Clemson can get FOX and ESPN competing to broadcast their home games, that's a win for the ACC and a model other teams can leverage to escape being marginalized by ESPN. So I don't see Clemson leaving the ACC they just want the ACC to allow them to market their home games to the highest bidder other then ESPN.
The only way clemson can market itself to the highest bidder is to go independent. Schools in conferences don't sign tv contracts. Conferences do. No network can "bid" on clemson unless they are independent.
If Clemson is a national brand. What is Alabama, Ohio State and Georgia. FSU and Clemson are mid-majors. If FOX or another network really wanted Clemson, they would pay the exit fee. FOX, NBC and CBS had no problem paying Ohio State and the Big 10 $7 billion last summer.
@CarlaJenkinsTV That's not my position. Those schools you mention have billions of dollars in endowments and 100k student enrollment. Joining those conferences would put Clemson at the bottom. Yes they would get an increase in revenue but what are they losing. Clemson is almost guaranteed to be the ACC champion in FB. The current format gives the ACC champ a top 4 seed and 1st game bye. Why leave the ACC. Clemson wants to stay in the ACC currently but have the ability the market their home games just like Notre Dame to the highest bidder. Why compete with Georgia LSU Texas Bama for SEC championship when they only need to beat a sorry FSU. I believe what Clemson is doing will be ground breaking. You might see UNC and Duke basketball do something similar which would make it difficult for the SEC and BIG10 to grab all the revenue as ESPN would need to negotiate with each institution and the ACC would charge fee
@crazyunclelou I agree, that is why they are challenging the ESPN contract and then the ACC. I believe the judge would agree. Clemson can then renegotiate an agreement with the ACC to remain a member offering a percentage of their revenue to the ACC to remain a member. This is ground breaking and could become a model. I do not believe Clemson wants to leave but if allowed to market their brand it could increase their revenue and force ESPN to offer a greater percentage.
@@crazyunclelouThe wording of the media rights is what Clemson is arguing and yes, if Clemson wants to market their brand they must exit the ACC media rights, not entirely exit the league. Clemson could remain in the ACC under a new contract which allows them to independently negotiate the rights to their home games. That is what the complaint is all about. And I believe if you read that section the ACC has with ESPN, that is the loop that will allow the rights to be null. The ACC is not the problem it is ESPN and Clemson is arguing that ESPN is low balling revenue broadcasting their games and I believe they are correct. The current CFP format gives the ACC champion an auto top four bid. Why would Clemson leave to compete with LSU, Bama, OK, Georgia and others for SEC championship. Clemson wants to grab more revenue to broadcast their games and they have records to show the increase of viewers. Stay in the ACC offer the ACC a share some percentage of revenue for continuing to wear their logo and both of them win.
Another issue is the Clemson keeps signing the ESPN paperwork. It signed the ACC Network Grant of Rights in 2016 knowing that ESPN was paying the SEC more money. Clemson president once again in 2024 signed the ESPN 2026 college expansion paperwork last week knowing that it would get 17% vs 29% for the SEC.
Well Taterman, Clemson wanna out of the ACC. They know its only a matter of time when the ACC falls apart. And there are not many spots left in the conferences with the big TV deals.
@PigskinPeete didn't have to. If clemson could leave without paying, then they would already be gone. Why are they still there? Cause they don't have the money. They are hoping the courts will order a lower buyout, but they aren't getting out without paying. That would kill every TV contract in college sports.
@@crazyunclelou Ahh maybe they are trying to get out with paying less money. You know it's called a settlement? Hence the lawsuit. Would you rather pay 500 million or 150 million? Probably 500 right.
What makes it interesting is there are three parties in the contract: the schools, ESPN, and the ACC itself. You've gotta think that ESPN could conceivably let FSU and Clemson out because they have the SEC under contract and SEC gets way better viewer numbers, which is the name of the game. So if you have two out of three parties willing to break the contract, that may not bode well for the ACC.
I think that this is the end of the Dabo Sweeney era. If Clemson goes to another conference (the SEC by these comments), they would want the transfer portal open. I see Sankey pulling a snake move like this on Clemson.
Uncle Lou running around telling everyone that the contract is unbreakable. Literally, because he said so---that's his entire argument.
Not unbreakable. There's a buyout. AND clemson will have to pay it. Period. That's how this will end. With clemson paying a buyout.
Contract should be void with adding new teams to the conference imo
@blakeellis7417 the contract included language about adding teams. Won't happen.
Would love it if Clemson came to the SEC. Imagine some of the match ups! Plus Dabo is the Best coach to bring to the SEC
Come on down to the SEC.
Roll Tide!
I wanna see Clemson in the SEC
Roll Tide
Does she get ya going by talking dirty legal talk every night? 🤣🤣🤣 Just messing with ya.... and some great points there Pete! I just want Clemson to do well for Clemson. It would be nice if they can do that with the teams they've evolved with but if that's not possible, then so be it.
I agree that Clemson should get out of the grants deal but not the ACC. I too believe that the courts will allow Clemson an avenue out of that deal because of their national brand. What Clemson wants is to be able to market their home games to the highest bidder; that bidder could be the ACCN, SECN, ESPN, NBC, ABC, FOX. Clemson has positioned themselves to do so when they built their 'NIL branding institute'. I don't see Clemson fighting to leave a rights deal to sign another rights deal with the SEC or BIG10. If Clemson can get FOX and ESPN competing to broadcast their home games, that's a win for the ACC and a model other teams can leverage to escape being marginalized by ESPN. So I don't see Clemson leaving the ACC they just want the ACC to allow them to market their home games to the highest bidder other then ESPN.
The only way clemson can market itself to the highest bidder is to go independent. Schools in conferences don't sign tv contracts. Conferences do. No network can "bid" on clemson unless they are independent.
If Clemson is a national brand. What is Alabama, Ohio State and Georgia. FSU and Clemson are mid-majors. If FOX or another network really wanted Clemson, they would pay the exit fee. FOX, NBC and CBS had no problem paying Ohio State and the Big 10 $7 billion last summer.
@CarlaJenkinsTV That's not my position. Those schools you mention have billions of dollars in endowments and 100k student enrollment. Joining those conferences would put Clemson at the bottom. Yes they would get an increase in revenue but what are they losing. Clemson is almost guaranteed to be the ACC champion in FB. The current format gives the ACC champ a top 4 seed and 1st game bye. Why leave the ACC. Clemson wants to stay in the ACC currently but have the ability the market their home games just like Notre Dame to the highest bidder. Why compete with Georgia LSU Texas Bama for SEC championship when they only need to beat a sorry FSU. I believe what Clemson is doing will be ground breaking. You might see UNC and Duke basketball do something similar which would make it difficult for the SEC and BIG10 to grab all the revenue as ESPN would need to negotiate with each institution and the ACC would charge fee
@crazyunclelou I agree, that is why they are challenging the ESPN contract and then the ACC. I believe the judge would agree. Clemson can then renegotiate an agreement with the ACC to remain a member offering a percentage of their revenue to the ACC to remain a member. This is ground breaking and could become a model. I do not believe Clemson wants to leave but if allowed to market their brand it could increase their revenue and force ESPN to offer a greater percentage.
@@crazyunclelouThe wording of the media rights is what Clemson is arguing and yes, if Clemson wants to market their brand they must exit the ACC media rights, not entirely exit the league. Clemson could remain in the ACC under a new contract which allows them to independently negotiate the rights to their home games. That is what the complaint is all about. And I believe if you read that section the ACC has with ESPN, that is the loop that will allow the rights to be null. The ACC is not the problem it is ESPN and Clemson is arguing that ESPN is low balling revenue broadcasting their games and I believe they are correct. The current CFP format gives the ACC champion an auto top four bid. Why would Clemson leave to compete with LSU, Bama, OK, Georgia and others for SEC championship. Clemson wants to grab more revenue to broadcast their games and they have records to show the increase of viewers. Stay in the ACC offer the ACC a share some percentage of revenue for continuing to wear their logo and both of them win.
Another issue is the Clemson keeps signing the ESPN paperwork. It signed the ACC Network Grant of Rights in 2016 knowing that ESPN was paying the SEC more money. Clemson president once again in 2024 signed the ESPN 2026 college expansion paperwork last week knowing that it would get 17% vs 29% for the SEC.
Well Taterman, Clemson wanna out of the ACC. They know its only a matter of time when the ACC falls apart. And there are not many spots left in the conferences with the big TV deals.
It would be nice if acc counter sues for these frivolous lawsuits.
Lol
Pay the money and get out. Lawsuit is waste of time. Thats how it's gonna end. ACC already said anybody can get out. Just pay the money.
Why would they pay if they can get out without paying? So no
@PigskinPeete they aren't getting out without paying.
@@crazyunclelou did you look that up on legal zoom or something ?
@PigskinPeete didn't have to. If clemson could leave without paying, then they would already be gone. Why are they still there? Cause they don't have the money. They are hoping the courts will order a lower buyout, but they aren't getting out without paying. That would kill every TV contract in college sports.
@@crazyunclelou Ahh maybe they are trying to get out with paying less money. You know it's called a settlement? Hence the lawsuit. Would you rather pay 500 million or 150 million? Probably 500 right.
What makes it interesting is there are three parties in the contract: the schools, ESPN, and the ACC itself. You've gotta think that ESPN could conceivably let FSU and Clemson out because they have the SEC under contract and SEC gets way better viewer numbers, which is the name of the game. So if you have two out of three parties willing to break the contract, that may not bode well for the ACC.
I think that this is the end of the Dabo Sweeney era. If Clemson goes to another conference (the SEC by these comments), they would want the transfer portal open. I see Sankey pulling a snake move like this on Clemson.