FSU vs ACC: Legal EXPERT Reveals KEY Points in Recent Filings
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2024
- FSU has filed a couple of motions against the ACC and we're chatting with Doug Rohan of Rohan Law about both of them.
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Rumor from Pen State is that they are preparing to add FSU to their 2026 season
Thanks so much Doug! Of all the legal experts I've heard in regards to these lawsuits you seem to make the most sense.. You do a great job of breaking it down into the simplest terms.
Thank You for the update
I was looking forward to this one!
Go Noles ‼️🍢🔥
The ACC objection to spending hours (money) on discovery is actually silly, since the discovery in NC will be the same.
Zero chance of motion to dismiss granted in FL. I agree that a dismissal is possible in NC, but not likely. If I were the NC judge, I would definitely issue a stay, as no judge wants to deal with sovereign immunity of a foreign jurisdiction. Let the home state deal with its own sovereign immunity issues. Too dangerous for an NC judge to make a ruling on that aspect of FL law and then watch the FL courts rule differently.
I agree that laches should not apply. Interesting that if laches is argued the ACC must claim that it is seriously harmed by FSU actions, at the same time that the ACC is arguing that they did not need a vote, since the FSU actions are not material. Bit of a contradiction.
In addition, if the ACC is arguing anticipatory breach by FSU, then the ACC knew about that for weeks, if not months, so they had plenty of time to get their vote.
One minor problem with the ACC "suspending" FSU, that started prior to any vote related to the FSU litigation. Seems that it was probably a unilateral ACC decision without worrying about the members.
There are probably 10 ACC teams with nowhere else to go, so they vote that way.
It appears to me that Dean Wormer, uh, I mean the ACC, has put FSU on double secret probation.
FSU are leaving for the money but they will never win National Championships in football outside the ACC!
I’d like to know which 10 schools voted against FSU
I bet the ACC considers themself a member and used that as a vote. That would be the most ACC thing they could do.
Probably all the Carolina schools and new members and maybe a BC and Syracuse; basically anyone that would be left homeless if the conference folds.
Tarheels are safe though
The big 10 and sec are not going to let Fsu in
IT doesn't matter Bum a$$ FSU is not honoring there contract!
Why is the ACC fighting so hard? It's inevitable FSU and others will leave. Just live with that fact. It's just like the playoffs, it was inevitable and people who were fighting against it were delusional and delaying in the inevitable.
Personally, I think it's because they want others to not leave. So, they're putting on a "show" to make it seem tough.
Money
Yeah they are trying to squeeze as much money out of FSU as possible
@@RobMacQYeah, but once FSU leaves, the ACC is no longer a viable conference and will implode, which begs the question, to what end is the ACC trying to get money? What is the end purpose? Is it just for the ACC leadership to get as much money for themselves for their golden parachutes since the ACC will no longer exist? Or is it to continue as a viable organization (which they've done a terrible job of keeping the ACC relevant when compared to the power 2 and Big12). If it is the latter, the ACC should be doing everything in its power to get more money for its members instead of saying they will not get its members more money and they will sue its members if they complain about it.
@@user-rs6tt9nr8f The ACC need no implode, since there are so many teams with nowhere else to go. Add WaState and OrState and there is a conference of 10 to 12 P4 schools. It will be the weakest conference, but the remaining schools might receive many hundreds of millions from exiting schools. That is a band aid, but not a terrible one given the other possibilities.
Where will the case be heard in Florida? Leon county?
That's where the campus is located, I'd say likely there. I can't imagine the campus went to another county to file.
Yes. 4/9
You need to bring Mary Alex Anders on again!
Is there a way to find out which 10 ACC schools voted to suit Florida State? it will be curious to know which ones did not. Could give an insight to where they’re leading as far as their membership..
I mean, fairly likely to be any grouping of these:
Duke
Wake
Cuse
BC
Pitt
UVA
VT
GT
NCSU
ND
UL
Miami, Clemson, UNC are probably less likely but could do it just to not end up having the ACC come after them too.
Can the legal expert talk louder next time. It’s like his new born is sleeping in the same room.
I wish you would ask him why hasn’t the other major teams in the league filed their own lawsuit against the ACC, or should they??
Clemson and Virginia are now in exploratory phases with their attorneys to possibly through the ACC. But, why would they do anything until they see the result of what happens to Florida State? It's just prudent to wait and see. It sucks! That's for sure but I have to admit I would do the same thing.
Also conference realignment rumors maybe keeping them from filing as well. If Clemson in Florida State get invites to the SEC and/or the Big ten then The ACC is done.
@jamesb0255 not prudent if litigation takes years and if support from other members helps the case.
@@RobMacQthis is not going to take years. If you have been keeping up with both lawsuits things are moving pretty quickly and neither the ACC or Florida State wants to drag this out.
@@jamesb0255FSU want get invited to the Big 10 or ACC there going to screw themselves over!
The motion to dismiss in NC is not a winner. More likely is the beginning of a lengthy multi-stage process that leads up to a 2025 trial in NC with no decision until 2026. Then the appeals begin. If FSU leaves before a final decision, they will leave without their media rights.
It's much more likely that a settlement happens as opposed to any of this.
You sleep with a smile on that for the next 2 months. Fireworks start soon. Those specific documents requested include how Swoffords net worth went up by 10 million dollars after signing the Raycom deal…… as soon as discovery starts, this is over
@@Doc_Boots FSU wants to make the lawsuit about the ACC contract with ESPN. But they are not a party to that contract. How do they have standing?
@@dougsligh1820 the purpose is to prove that the ACC did not act within their bylaw mandates and didn’t act in the best financial interest of the member schools. This breaks any obligation FSU has to the ACC if they can prove it in discovery
I am just waiting to see like everyone else
@@DoubleFriesNoSlawNot without paying the maximum amount! People have got to understand if the ACC FSU leave without paying they know its game over. FSU fans just want a easy way out they can get out but they must pay and go to a even worst conference than the ACC where they're are Titans!
Im FSU fan for years,to be honest, im tired of hearing relinement,changing conferences, playoff BS,it's all scam to change, ESPN has there sticky fingers in everything, and i disagree paying players, this is not NFL,this is college to learn,not a money making league, shut everything down all colleges and get ESPN out with sticky fingers, and colleges need to clean out there sticky finger boosters and alumni
that ship has sailed and will never be back! It’s time to fight for everything we can get!
You are 1 of the few FSU fans that make sense FSU are Kings in the ACC but will end up in a lesser conference not making much more than they are making now!
The ACC is a non profit corporation which was referenced in the first FSU amended filing in Leon County. The points the FSU attorneys are bringing up could be more important than being discussed. The bylaws and mission statements are relevant and these could be a problem if a Federal court is involved. The IRS can revoke or suspend the non profit status if they deem violations have occurred. While this is rare, it does happen. My guess is the FSU attorneys are adding the extra details if this proceeds past the state level. Almost all non profits require a board or committee to sign contracts, loan agreements, and other legal documents. It seems hard to believe the ACC isn’t aware how non profit structures work.
Laches by wet noodle 😮
It doesn't seem right to force a school to remain a member when they want out. ACC looks bad by suing a member. Hope, hope the ACC goes belly up or just becomes the conference it raided-the Big East. The ACC practically forced USC(my school)to withdraw in the early 70s. Was glad at the time because I was so POed about the way USC was treated. Later USC realized its mistake and tried to get back in but the ACC gave USC the middle finger. Now that bad karma is coming back to haunt the ACC and USC is a member of the nation's best conference lapping the ACC's payout. This was a lot of legal mumbo jumbo but what it boils down to, IMO, is FSU is gonna get out without having to pay trillions of $s.
When FSU leaves, Clemson, UNC, Va, Miami, ND are likely to follow thus destroying the ACC.😁😁
Hope FSU, Clemson, UNC and Va become SEC members.
FSU fans are delusional how about when FSU leaves they want win another national championship in Football when the pay and leave the ACC! No conference in there right mind especially the big10 and Sec will have FSU AFTER not honoring there contract!
I have to disagree with you why did Florida state sign a contract agree to stay there till 2035
If you sign a agreement to rent a place for a year you have to
Love to see the best of the Acc join the Big12. Schools like FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami, VT, UNC, Louisville & ND.
Fsu is leaving the acc for financial reasons, it's like making a lateral move to go from the acc to the big 12. The acc & big 12 are being treated like step kids. Their going to one of 2 spots. Sec or big 10. Period.
Big 12 may have been an option before Oklahoma and Texas left, now? No way in hell.
very good troll tweet, thanks for helping the engagement on the video!
@@trclark7689it's something about the term financial that you're not getting. It wouldn't have mattered if Texas & Oklahoma were there. If their getting paid far less than the sec & big 10 you really believe fsu would go there. Didn't think so
Any one who wants Big 12 isn't a serious person.
Wouldn’t the contract in question be governed by the Florida Statute of Frauds? The contract would have taken in excess of 1 year to complete. If so, doesn’t the fact that the signatory had no authority to bind the University invalidate the contract as failing to comply with the SOF?
Unprovoked lawsuit?
FSU said- "Get The Hell Outta Here! We want our documents!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
FSU Is dumb! They will never win another national Championship in whatever league they go too but they are Kings in the ACC!
By by acc go nolels😊
IT will be the worst mistake FSU makes! Well bye your program will never be as great as it was in the ACC!
Let me educate you,... FSU can leave the conference and retain its media rights...all they have to do is pay hundreds of millions in penalties..your welcome.
I think you're lost, the SEC vlogs are a couple channels to the left.
Good guess, Stoopsie. But you're wrong lol
Hilarious coming from an Oklahoma fan that made it to the SEC hanging on the leg of Texas. You are a plus 1
Now wonder they one out ACC,they will never have a chance to shine as a team!
Weaker conference make sense!
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They just went undefeated in your weak sauce ACC.
@@MichaelHarper666Fsu fans talk smack about the ACC when they won there national Championships here. BUT LEAVE and be a mediocre team!
@@jmath1978 FSU will be a better team with a lot more money by leaving the ACC. The ACC isn't even all that in basketball anymore.
There is nothing to settle. You signed a contract. That may not mean anything to you but it does to decent society. You’re staying and honoring your contract, despite all your tough talk.
Contracts are broken (for several reasons) every single day. Sorry, but you're going to be disappointed when the ACC settles 😂
Good to see we found our touched hurricant fan. Fsu will be out of the acc by 2025, and there's nothing your sorry ass can do about it.
There are questions, mentioned in the FSU suit, the FSU BoT and other members of the administration, were never told about the extension with ESPN in 2016.
Also, obviously you don't know about the private equity firms we have spoken with so one way or the other Florida State will be out of the ACC. And it won't be for 570 million I guarantee that.
Why would the ACC want to keep a program that obviously does not want to be in your conference?
😂 What an IGNORANT statement!! 🤦🏾♂️
Not so fast my friend. The contract was signed by the president of FSU and not by the BOT which is required by FSU. So that contract isn't legal!!