My New Peugeot 106 - I found issues...
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2023
- Here's why I held off selling the Peugeot 106 I bought recently. All is not well... It's still for sale though! Get your offers in.
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Having had 3 of these over the years, yours is still pretty mint. For a start, it looks like you have a boot floor (all 3 of mine needed welding). AND you don’t seem to have much in the way of lacquer peel either. This car deserves to live on
I agree. Hope someone can take it on.
@HubNut personally think you should keep it. Can never have to many small, fun, fuel efficient cars. Giselle has been causing some issues lately, maybe she could go at some point?
Also, when is Myrtle coming back out to play?
Now that's better, was watching Johnny Smith talking about a bmw z8, then got a notification for hubnut! Stopped what I was doing and now watching this! Much better.
Thanks! Though I love a bit of Jonny Car Pervert.
@@HubNut There is plenty of space in the world for both of you. That and you all have a shared love of the odd stuff
@@HubNut same here, but just not a fan of the z8 really, much prefer this little 106.
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My *TWC* fridge magnet, Hub Nut sticker & 2023 calender arrived today, I couldn't be happier! Thank you!
Being a 106 man in my youth I can tell you that those inner arch areas are very common to get holes in and they went on cars around 10 years old or less! they're easy enough to plate if you have a welder, I would say other than that it's actually not very bad and that wouldn't put me of driving home in it because having seen enough of these being crashed, that rotten section is the least of your worries.
Those rot patches can get missed sometimes because they're under a wheel arch liner if I remember correctly, Being a 60 something thousand mile example I would say it's worth saving as they're starting to become a rare site on the roads.
I had an AX and the arches went the same way on that.
I'd have no qualms about driving that either, but in close to 50 years of driving I've never had more than a minor bump. IMO paranoia about serious accidents needs more risk assessing. Risk aversion has become a serious problem in our society.
Hi! I've bought a 106 for $200 a view days ago. A bit rusty underneath, gut no rust on the sills and wheels archs are really in good condition. It got 54k miles on (88k kilometers) and it got the same rust-holes like on 0:33 😅
I need to weld this for our german "TÜV" ( car inspection) on both sides... Interesting, this might be a zone, where 106 like to rust... I think thats what you mean with "inner arch areas" right? Sorry, i'am not a english-pro 😜
As far as 106’s go thats still a minter
If it was a Saxo the whole thing would be rotten by now lol
@@christineayres7199 why, it's the same car.
@@volvo480 Trust me Citroen never used underseal even though it’s technically same car
@@glennpowell3444 French and Italian cars and even Old Ford’s and Vauxhalls all rust and even JDM cars I’ve been lucky I own a 16 year old Mitsubishi Colt no rust at all underneath but I always use a silicone spray after washing it seems to stop it rusting
My 205 had no rust on it at all at a similar age. What happened to Peugeot?
Selling point: It even comes with a personalised plate - SWR.......Severe Wing Rust.
Or Some Work Required 😊
The inner wings do need welding yes, but me being an MOT tester, can safely say not an MOT fail as that is a bit more then 30cm's away, i would myself put an advise on it though. The area where the rot is, is only a single skin and as such has no strength there, where the shocks tower is, is double skinned so stronger, even in brand new fresh out of the factory they never ever faired well in full frontal impact, cars have moved on greatly since. we can only fail corrosion with in 30cm's of a prescribed area or a load bearing member, so yeah those inner wings on an MOT are advise only.
Thanks for that! Makes me feel happier.
I myself drive a 1991 Peugeot 106XN 1.1. It got 42k miles done, 6 200 miles from 2005 to 2022. The car itself doesn't has rust anywhere, only the steel wheels. Bought it in december 2022 and love the car! It drives fantastic considering I don't have any luxuries like power steering.
Over here in the Netherlands when it is 35 years old it gets almost taxfree so it will be my car for a long time!
The 106 is still a lovely little car,2 areas on the inner wings to cut out and do properly, not just plate over,not near any suspension mounts, half a day's work for someone with a welder, throughly waxoyl new metal and whole underneath and you have a car with years left in it,your still make a good bit on your purchase price.
My AX GTi had rot in the same places in the inner wing. Was a pretty easy job to cut it out and weld new metal in.
The AX GTi has a soft spot in my heart, fondly remember a trip down to Le Mans 24hr and back in my mate's pristine example back in the 90s.
@@MatthewJohnCrittenden They amazingly fun little cars, a real riot to drive. However I've never driven anything with the pedals quite so close together. With size 11 feet I had significant problems not hitting the brake and throttle pedal at the same time.
@@ferrumignis Fair point. I have smaller feet and was not an issue. Super fun little cars though.
I had a phase 1 106 - a 1.4 n/a diesel. Good little car, but it rusted behind the headlights too. By the time it was about six years old it desperately needed sorting out, and when a core plug went in an inaccessible part of the engine, the mechanic I used decided it was time to bite the bullet - he took the engine and gearbox out as a unit, and welded the front end up. He generously allowed me access to his garage over a weekend and I ended up rattle canning the engine bay in satin black before the car was put back together. It looked OK, actually - even though the rest of the car was maroon.
Another sign of flimsiness was one frosty morning. I moved the car a short distance, and when I pulled the handbrake up the floor cracked where the handle was bolted in. Again, welding needed on a six year old car, with the interior needing stripped so the carpets could come out. A bit of plate went in to strengthen things more than Peugeot had. The remnants of the rattle cans came in again for the paint finish on that repair.
Cleverly designed and good to drive a 106 may be, but they’re not exactly robust.
Looks and sounds like it would be worthwhile for someone to fix up those areas and have a decent little econo box to run around in - seems to have plenty of life left in it. 👍🏻
I'm going to pick up it's "twin brother" a Citroen AX tomorrow, I'm so excited to drive it! It's pretty rusty but passed 5 MOT's in a row without any problems :D
It's actually not a part of the crumple zone on a 106, that would be the chassis legs and their support, that rust looks bad but it's actually not that hard to fix with a welder (could be done in less than half a day).
Also it's far enough from the strut towers to not be considered structural
They tend to fend off the rot pretty well. It's an old car and those bits of welding aren't a big issue. Weld it up, get a new MOT and give it a few more years as a runaround.
10 years ago I was given a 106 Rallye (pre-facelift) because the owner said it was rusted through.
I could not believe it was beyond saving, since it was totally mint on the outside (door, panels, everywhere), as well as driving faultlessly
When I got a closer look everything back of the rear axle were rotted through (boot floor, inner wings, body reinforcements etc.) plus some rot in the passenger compartment floor.
So much to my chagrin I had to scrap it.
Compared to that, your green Pug does not look bad at all (not so much fun as the Rallye, through)
You beat me to it on the back end...
To be honest mate, if you get stuck into that job with the inner wings, it really isnt that big of a problem. You'll have the access cleared in an hour, cut and cleaned up in another hour. Patch in the welds and then decide how you want it finished. I'd just put under seal on it and put it back together. One long day and you'll be sorted.
They rarely ever rot at one end alone. You also need to take the back seats out and the plastic cladding and check up inside the structure above the rear wheels . They can disappear altogether and just leave the seats and cladding floating in mid air.
Forgot to mention, re clutch: check the cable is free then dip the clutch and spin your foot off it, allowing it to spring upwards of it's own accord. Doing that a few times usually brings back the adjustment and bite point.
I really hope the little 106 gets the love it deserves. I've always had a soft spot for the 106 and its big brother 306.
I’ve just come from watching Jonny Smith driving a BMW Z8 and I can’t say that I enjoyed either video more than the other. Top work, Mr Ian 👍
I'm just off to watch the Z8 one
I desperately want to make a brasseye reference, but they'd all appear as unnecessarily aggressive insults.
@@jibathus Go on, enter the nightmare of cake.
You're talking nonce sense.
We need a parade of Hubnuttery around Alderley Edge! It's strangely satisfying to drive 15+ year old cars around there!
Common problems having owned 2 saxos which are pretty identical. Rust in front inner wings, sills, boot floor, sunroof, chassis legs, rear beam are common.. Great cars besides that. Don't worry about crumble zones your knees are the crumble zones lol
Ahh your car sales talents shine through with horror stories most salesmen tend to miss . Try this “ yes we have here Peugeots early design of crumple zone”
That little 106 will make a belting car for someone - another plus is that Ian is an absolutely decent honest fella - I’d buy a car off him on his word alone .
If that is the extent of it I'd agree that's eminently savable. I reckon even I could weld those 2 areas with my limited experience (and boundless enthusiasm). I'm sure that will be sold in no time at all.
I certainly hope someone picks this up and fixes those issues.. it does seem like a fun car in overall decent condition otherwise.
I've said it before, but:
Get. A. Cheap. Welder. 😉
Looks like a fun small weekend project to get some fresh plate in those places. It doesn't have to look good, and anything anyone would do to it would be better than notning.
But working on it could mean you fall in love with it and won't let it go, which is not what you need right now. Or maybe sell the GSA and keep this one, it really is a cute and good looking car!
Hope someone takes it on, it’ll make a nice little runaround when it’s had a tickle with a welder.
Why don't you give Furious Driving a call, he loves welding and hasn't got much to do on his own cars! 😁
Unfortunately owning old cars you’ve got to either be able to afford to have welding done, or do it yourself I took the decision to self teach my self welding, which currently is massively paying off with rust issues on my VW T4 and Mercedes Sprinter van. Shame about the rust, but it’s not terrible, hope it goes to a good home, Good video 🙂👍
Yes, buying welding gear quickly pays for itself and you know what's been done if you did it yourself.
@@Phiyedough Yes I agree, a lot of older cars will have rust issues and I’ve seen so many bad repairs, I’m not the best welder but I think I do a decent job, I did an engine conversion on my VW T4 van and I knew it had a few rust issues, but it’s now escalated into more than I ever thought but I’m chipping away at it and I document it on my channel and I find comments spur me on to get on with it. I actually enjoy welding but I wouldn’t want to do it all the time.
The current system for VED when buying or selling a car is distinctly iffy. The seller can't reclaim any partial months so at the point where the buyer goes to try to pay a fresh lot of VED the DVLA should date it from when the old one expired. They have all the information they need and it's only a partial month so there's no scope for fraud.
15th April - I ask to pay VED on a vehicle I'm just buying. Two possibilities: 1) It has current valid VED. The existing half month should be transferred to me and my year which I'm paying for should run from 1st May. 2) It doesn't have existing valid VED. I have to pay from 1st April. Perfectly simple to implement.
Whether the current system is a result of greed or of couldn't-be-arsed-ness is a matter for speculation.
From reading the other, more mechanically learned, comments here and being a Peugeot 309GTi (loved it, couldn't afford to insure a 205) owner from way back I have to add it would be good to find a decent welder, sort this great example out and make it an example of how to preserve an older nugget on the road. Surely the very premise of this channel?
I have recommended before that you learn to weld. That is eminently fixable with so little rust for the age. Good grief man watch Pete C's videos of project Bramble lol.
Pete is a miracle worker. Anyone watching this channel knows I utterly lack the patience needed for craftwork like that.
When I built my kit car back in the mid 80s I took a college evening class in welding that proved very useful. I'd recommend Ian to do something similar as well.
I really think it's time that you got yourself a welder Ian. And get some practice on welding some scrap steel. Then once you are happy with your welding have a go at repairing panels on the car's. We recently repaired a Mitsubishi shogun in the same area's as your rusty car and it didn't take long and pasted the MOT fine
He won't even try to weld, which is frustrating given that it's not rocket science and is a case of much practice on scrap and you are away 🤗
Look at furious driving, he bought a shitty welder and progressed from there
It is always Great way to let any Buyer know what they are going to find in a Great looking Peugeot 106.😊😊
For some unseemly reason 106s and Saxos are much more prone to their larger 306 siblings of the same era. I've just bought a 106 GTi to join my stable of 306s and 406 coupe. Whilst it's larger cousins are perfect underneath the 106 will need work in all the usual suspect areas of front and rear inner wings.
Oh I don't know. 306s have a truly horrific rot spot around the rear seatbelt mounts that's tricky to see until you remove trim..
since this is pretty much the first issue you'll come across with a 106 (alongside a dodgy idle... dont ask me how its going) the inner wings arent all that bad to repair. In the best colour, low miles and a disappearing asset its too good to throw away and definitely needs someone to enjoy it.
C'mon Hub, it's a chance to learn welding - a problem becomes an opportunity!
I'm starting to get that reality TV feeling: 'experienced car buying auto journalist buys car and all is well UNTIL..' Or maybe 'experienced auto journalist purchases fleet of older, mediocre condition vehicles, stores them in a leaky garage and all is well UNTIL...'
Get rid of it, focus on the actual fleet.
As always, nice to see you’re a nice chap and don’t want to cheat anybody
Absolutely brilliant video Ian ❤ 👍 what a pity it's rotten aah well at least someone can save it brilliant
Another fantastic purchase again then 😀😊
Catching the train doesn't make HubNut content! So in that aspect it was a success!
Your mobile welder friend should be able to plate that up easily for not too much money. As said, do check the ball joints and get an alignment. You might find a cheap wheel and tyre from your breaker if the spare is no good. These little Pugs crumple up like tin foil in a crash so don't get too worried.
Put a saxo into the back of a landrover, whole front end was fucked, cracked the plastic cap for the towbar of the landy.
With Mighty Car Mods playing with a Peugeot at the moment this will still sell quite easily. You have been completely honest about it's condition so I think you can sell conscious in tact.
106's don't have a crash structure Ian, Have you seen their NCAP rating!! 😂 Tidy little 106 though and sorting the front inner wings out is straightforward work if you are handy with a mig 👌
The patches on both front arches are normal for these cars, aswell as Citroen AX's. We repaired mine recently in the exact same place.
It's not terrible.
It'd make an ideal runaround for somebody who was a competent DIY welder.
Couple of hours with an angle grinder, a MIG and some metal liberated from an old washing machine and it'd be good as new... structurally, if not cosmetically.
Be a shame if it ended-up getting scrapped just 'cos it couldn't find a suitably capable buyer.
That's very clean for a 106 that small rust spot is just the inner arch not an mot fail
I had one for about 9 years I used to oil up the rust every 6-12 months. Most fun car I've driven.
Sorry to hear about the Rust issues Hubnut , Ive had a bad day myself clutch gone on the old colt my fault for using it to do burnouts today showing off lol £600 costly mistake but it did last 130 thousand miles on OEM clutch lol rest of the old Colt thankfully is ok no rust , brakes tyres engine and gearbox all in good condition it will be with me for probably another 10 years as i love driving it.
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@@HubNut lol 😂 yeah boredom can be dangerous and when you accidentally drive into a car meet the burnout has to be done ✅ lol 😂
Did I just hear the phrase Timspection? Because that totally needs to become a thing! 😅 Shame the 106 isn't sticking around, I do like those but understand 😊
Those inner wings are not that big of a deal ian. Those are not really a part of the support structure, it probably isn't even a MOT failiure.
The supportmembers on this car are lower.. its just a water and debris catch-area so it rusts easily. Especially around the washer bottle. On the other side there is a secondary airpump hanging, wich also really likes to catch a lot of dirt en water and therefor also really likes to trow an engine light at you because it is seized in rust (and those are expensive to replace)
Its about an Afternoon of work perhaps?
You are right the structural integrity is compromised. However the ncap rating and test at the time was pretty poor too! I had a 106 phase 2 in the 90s and thought it was a great looking car (and still is)
I've done similar welding on a Fiesta, afternoon's work for somebody. Will make a nice runner. 😊
I'd say that was an original car in excellent condition Mr HubNut, definitely a good car for someone who can do a bit of welding.
I’ve got a wee bit of grot on my ZX in similar spots on the inner wing. Passed the MOT with merely an advisory as it’s nowhere near the strut tops and not structural as they begin as holes anyway for trim clips. I’ve treated it with rust converter and chassis paint to stop it in its tracks.
Not bad at all, just needs a little bit of welding and some black schmoo. 👍
I love these 106 I bought one for £20 it withe 12 mot and I used it for a year and it was still running and drive perfect when I scrap it
Ah, poor little thing. At least it doesn't seem too difficult of a fix though for someone with the welding skill. I hope it goes to a good home, and will get to spend many more years on the road.
The crusty inner wings should be a fairly easy welding fix, though looking at the wear on the passenger side front tyre, is that suspension turret OK?
Nearly bought one of these as a cheap runabout for work, but was put off by a mechanic mentioning inner wing rust and niggly oil leaks. A competent welder should be able to sort that rust and get a few more years out of it.
I'd recommend getting a ecu cover on there. You can buy one pretty cheap
Pity about the pug. Maybe you should consider welding classes. It would be a handy skill to have due to your elderly fleet.
Hello Ian i praise you for honest truth about this French pug its the only problem with ageing French cars it could of been neglected there’s one of two things you can do you could get it repaired or you sell it has a project or spare’s or repairs I wouldn’t want to see it scrapped but you have to ask yourself is it worth saving thank you ian for your advice and pointing out the problems with the car great advice ian
Hi! I've bought a 106 for $200 a view days ago. A bit rusty underneath, but no rust on the sills and wheels arch, their are really in good condition. It got 54k miles on (88k kilometers) and it got the same rust-holes like on 0:33 😅
I need to weld this for our german "TÜV" ( car inspection) on both sides... Interesting, this might be a zone, where 106 like to rust...
The back end where the wheel wells meet the boot. Tin worm central on the 106 from past experience. Check the factory underseal at the front end where the leading edge of the firewall meets the underside of the footwells. That should be peeling off famously by now, revealing all that lovely Ming underneath.
Just a bit of welding & a new tyre. Should be a good little car.
another great video has always Ian and miss hubnut and hublets and hubmutts 👍
Brilliant 😆
The wear on that front tyre, I'd want to get the tracking done after I'd been round the steering joints first looking for excessive wear
Yeah, that seems to have got worse on the drive home.
@@HubNut I wonder why :)
Honestly, that’s the easiest place to weld and repair and is very cheap to do. By no means is the whole car “rotten”
It’s well worth saving and I’m sure someone will snap it up. The rust wouldn’t stop me driving it home, the front tyre would be more of a worry though!
Not a hard fix for someone that can weld.
Still a good car and cheap.
My 1997 Peugeot 106 (P387 SWK) lasted a good 18 years (at least that). But only lightly used in the second half of its life.
All very doable… no need for histrionics about safety… half a day’s welding once you get it stripped down.
Ian for the front rot, I’m sure eBay has weld in panels
After my white bmw series 1 coupe got water in ecu and then a 3k bill, then after replacement a heavy downpour and it happened again i bought a blue 106 1.2 for 500 notes with a years mot as a runaround until the dealer decides if he will fix it properly or refund me 7k.
So far the little pug has been reliable, no rattles, smoith quiet engibe and suprisingly frugal.
Great little car that im getting very fond of.
It's easily sorted as it can be welded and once that is done, will be ok. Not a big job, maybe 2 hours including moving stuff for access and retreated.
Yup, but for someone else. I have too much of a project queue already.
personally I am not sure its an mot failure as its far enough away from the strut (30cm). having had the c15 stablemate, that's nothing, mine had fist sized holes on both sides!
you've showed the issues, sell it on and let it live, its a lovely little car, in a stunning green!
Sad to see a decent little motor needing the welders skills ... but if someone takes it on and fixes it she will live on ... far more environmentally friendly than being scrapped and another chunk of overweight over priced metal hitting the highways ... good work 👍
Too true !
Honest review.
I think you're doing the wee car down, two patches at the front and the rest looks fine.
Yes, I thought that. You can't expect the whole thing to be perfect at that price.
5 years ago I decided to buy a car for life and I bought myself a 1997 106 xld with only 19k miles.. and i've never looked back..
I read the title and my first thought was “what! In a French car?”. Hehe
Shame about that Ian. My series one (92Kreg) is in a far better condition! I'm familiar with the rot on the wings though. Mine was nipped in the bud long time ago. I saw it coming!!! Good luck with the sale though.
Don't spend on it, it was nice ride home and good vid getting there and drive home, its already paid for itself 😀
I have the same issue on my Citroën AX, the front both wheel arch metal is 3mm thickness and poor coat which cause the rust very quickly. I have been welding and put good protect rust paint, it will last longer than the original coat.
I am more worried about getting stains on your new trousers than the welding needed at the front of the Peugeot
Check the rear beam. One of the biggest killers of 106's/Saxo's
Gotta love a bit of tin rot! She will live on
I don't think that rot is enough to fail the MOT. At least it would not fail in Norway, as it's too far from the strut tops. I had a Mercedes C-class with a whole lot more rust in the inner wings, and it did not fail for it. It failed for other rust, but not the inner wings.
Think in the UK, it's an advisory for rust within 30cm of a suspension mounting or a fail if the rust is severe enough.
Interesting proposition, Ian. Neat wee beastie. Shame about the rot. That left front tire tells it's own story. The tracking is way out of spec on that corner, which leads to the question of why. That is not just a little out. Could be it hit something, but it could also be an indication of issues with the front end.
Usually means it's hit a kerb or a pothole.
Just means the tracking is off, more likely to be an incorrectly adjusted track rod arm. I had a 206 where I changed the front springs myself, did the track rod ends by eye comparing to the old ones and in 1000 my newish tyre was pretty worn on just the outside edge. Could be similar story 😂
Inner wings always go at the front and are not realy structural, most of the strength (or lack of it on these and Citroens) come from the box section on the side of the inner wing. Don't know if they are the same but the AX inner wings flex like coke cans.
Too good to go to scrap. Hoping it finds a good home.
Time to pass that onto a pro as that is clearly a safety issue and needs more investigation and a kind owner willing and able to get it sorted
So what are the rules about buying a S/H car and not taxing it but driving it home?
I have been triggered by your last video. Now I want another 2 door fun box! I really miss the nippy handling and the manual gearbox. Oh, and the fuel economy... here in Australia, there's no issue with rust.
Is replacing a wing difficult? I have been quoted £100 to remove and fit a wing I have for a 63 308. No painting needed. Is that a fair price. Do you know of any car body repairs in the Ceredigion area?
I would simply sell it as is, full disclosure to buyer. You've got enough cars to fix and tinker with as it is, and this one did what your goal was, it got you from A to B :)
Hello, I have a peugeot 106 1.1 44w petrol 2001, can anyone help me, today when I got to work everything is fine, when I finished work, I start the car and start, I hear a sound, as if the exhaust or the pot broke, noisy sound, what could it be, thanks in advance.
That's sad that she has to go. But it is a lot of work...