I've been out of the sport for years, ARMY trained me with the Weaver stance so naturally, I went back to using what I was trained in. Decided to take a lesson or two and the Instructor made a big deal on how bad my Platform was. Like you had mentioned, the Isosceles stance was uncomfortable and felt awkward. I thanked him for his training and went back to my Modified Weave stance. Old school - 2 in the chest one in the head and he dead.
This video is very well done. I really like your easy-going Style. As an NRA instructor I get caught up with other instructors specifically saying you need to do it this way. You are quite correct by saying people's body types are different and you may have to adopt a stance for your particular attributes. Looking forward to watching more videos from you.
You didn't link the video you mentioned... I like what you had to say. I'm partial to the weaver, or what I thought was the weaver, but with feet/toes pointing straight ahead toward target. Had not heard of the Chapman... I do think it's good to learn both (or a variety) because in real life conflict you'll probably be on the move, changing and modifying your position and platform/stance to fit the moment and movement.
I took my ex to Gunsite to teach her shooting in 1981. She was taught the Weaver stance and was comfortable with it "by the end of the course". I had initially learned completely bladed, one hand, off hand in your pocket bullseye stance way back in NRA youth program. In the service they were mixing Weaver and what they now call isosceles stance depending on the instructor, so I ended up mixing the two. Isosceles upper body and arms and my strong side foot a half step back toe aligned with the weak side foots heel. Thirty five years later my current wife wants to start shooting, I took her to a beginners class that teaches isosceles. She was never quite comfortable until I pushed one foot back just a bit and it worked instantly.
I use Weaver stance, although not anymore the classic way which the body will turn to slant the body more than 90 degrees making the body bladed at the weak side. The arms, and legs are in Weaver and the body is Isosceles in posture. Sometime I do the Hackathorn- the weak hand is Weaver and the strong arm is straight like in Isosceles but applying the same Weaver tension on the grip- weak hand pulling, stronghand pushing. I also shoot in Isosceles in the arms but one foot forward like Weaver stance at the feet-This position is called by one shooter as relax Isosceles. I also shoot in Weaver at the hand but Isosceles at the feet. The feet stances are irrelevant. it is the arm and hand holding positions that matters. If you are in prone, the feet stance is already irrelevant.
In a real life situations you'll naturally get a stance... it's easy when you're shooting paper... but when time is limited, you'll stand however the situation allows you... so practice in uncomfortable conditions. It will be your best chance. If a person is maliciously shooting innocents, then you'll forget all details and go into your natural stance. Prepare for that.
I have no idea what stance I use but seems to be a combination of the two you mentioned. 'Thumbs and toes' are facing forward but I also have one of my feet a bit further forward then the other one. Seems to be a more stable and comfortable stance for me.
+Girls Like Guns, Too (Jennifer Young) Sounds like you shoot the way I do, Jen. Hey, it works for a lot of folks. I've been told it's called a Chapman stance. :)
I'm comfortable practicing with a modified weaver stance..I'm mentally prepared for a survival satance lol meaning (a) anticipate the treat and (b) anticipate the treat be aware of your surroundings.
The WEaver stance does not require your feet to be canted, does not. Your feet remain forward and you rotate at the waist with the strong arm strait and the weak arm bent to support the strong arm, gun hand. Learn what you are teaching, please. The figure on your banner behind you shows a fair Weaver stance except the feet are too far apart.
You are right. Differences anatomically and the varying disease processes added to the age of the shooter and the natural progressive degeneration of aging demand personal/individual stances. The Modified Weaver is more effective for me. "I wish I could shoot like Jelly Bryce!"
Hi Colleene I have a friend that, I guess you would call him a new shoot. We have been shooting three or for time. his problem is when he shoots he hits the ground in front of him.. He looks like he is milking pulling down on the gun or jerking the trigger. Do you have any tips that I could pass on to him to make him stop. I have told him about grip, stands, site alignment and site picture he says ok and still hits the ground. Thank you
I made a comment on another channel that was recommending a particular stance which was, "there's no one size fits all" in a stance. Use what works best for you.
I've been out of the sport for years, ARMY trained me with the Weaver stance so naturally, I went back to using what I was trained in. Decided to take a lesson or two and the Instructor made a big deal on how bad my Platform was. Like you had mentioned, the Isosceles stance was uncomfortable and felt awkward. I thanked him for his training and went back to my Modified Weave stance. Old school - 2 in the chest one in the head and he dead.
The TRUE Weaver stance according to Jeff Cooper always had toes pointed toward target
This video is very well done. I really like your easy-going Style. As an NRA instructor I get caught up with other instructors specifically saying you need to do it this way. You are quite correct by saying people's body types are different and you may have to adopt a stance for your particular attributes. Looking forward to watching more videos from you.
Wonderful video. I recently wrote an article talking about this very topic. I love the "thumbs and toes" advice. Absolutely right!
+Armed and Feminine Awesome! I'd like to read your article. Where might I find it? Thanks for watching! :)
It was for Concealed Nation a little while ago. I think this link should work. concealednation.org/2016/02/leave-my-stance-alone/
Armed and Feminine
Great article! Well spoken. Just shared it on my Keeping the Piece Facebook. :)
You didn't link the video you mentioned...
I like what you had to say. I'm partial to the weaver, or what I thought was the weaver, but with feet/toes pointing straight ahead toward target. Had not heard of the Chapman...
I do think it's good to learn both (or a variety) because in real life conflict you'll probably be on the move, changing and modifying your position and platform/stance to fit the moment and movement.
I took my ex to Gunsite to teach her shooting in 1981. She was taught the Weaver stance and was comfortable with it "by the end of the course". I had initially learned completely bladed, one hand, off hand in your pocket bullseye stance way back in NRA youth program. In the service they were mixing Weaver and what they now call isosceles stance depending on the instructor, so I ended up mixing the two. Isosceles upper body and arms and my strong side foot a half step back toe aligned with the weak side foots heel. Thirty five years later my current wife wants to start shooting, I took her to a beginners class that teaches isosceles. She was never quite comfortable until I pushed one foot back just a bit and it worked instantly.
Weaver is more of a fighting stance. Smaller profile and easier if you are hugging a wall.
I use Weaver stance, although not anymore the classic way which the body will turn to slant the body more than 90 degrees making the body bladed at the weak side. The arms, and legs are in Weaver and the body is Isosceles in posture. Sometime I do the Hackathorn- the weak hand is Weaver and the strong arm is straight like in Isosceles but applying the same Weaver tension on the grip- weak hand pulling, stronghand pushing. I also shoot in Isosceles in the arms but one foot forward like Weaver stance at the feet-This position is called by one shooter as relax Isosceles. I also shoot in Weaver at the hand but Isosceles at the feet. The feet stances are irrelevant. it is the arm and hand holding positions that matters. If you are in prone, the feet stance is already irrelevant.
Wow somebody who talks logic who realizes we're not all the same. 10 points great video
I use a modified Weaver....although sometimes it looks like happenstance ...
+glockensig LOL! Happenstance...I'm going to use that one. ;)
In a real life situations you'll naturally get a stance... it's easy when you're shooting paper... but when time is limited, you'll stand however the situation allows you... so practice in uncomfortable conditions. It will be your best chance. If a person is maliciously shooting innocents, then you'll forget all details and go into your natural stance. Prepare for that.
One stance does not fit all. It is definitely what feels most comfortable and secure for each person. Thanks for this great advice.
+kimmy “kimboncon” b Absolutely! You just summarized the whole video in one sentence! Well said. :) Thanks for watching.
I have no idea what stance I use but seems to be a combination of the two you mentioned. 'Thumbs and toes' are facing forward but I also have one of my feet a bit further forward then the other one. Seems to be a more stable and comfortable stance for me.
+Girls Like Guns, Too (Jennifer Young) Sounds like you shoot the way I do, Jen. Hey, it works for a lot of folks. I've been told it's called a Chapman stance. :)
I'm comfortable practicing with a modified weaver stance..I'm mentally prepared for a survival satance lol meaning (a) anticipate the treat and (b) anticipate the treat be aware of your surroundings.
What works for me is the combat stance. . but I have used the weaver stance. I do not lean in like you do.
The WEaver stance does not require your feet to be canted, does not. Your feet remain forward and you rotate at the waist with the strong arm strait and the weak arm bent to support the strong arm, gun hand. Learn what you are teaching, please. The figure on your banner behind you shows a fair Weaver stance except the feet are too far apart.
You are right.
Differences anatomically and the varying disease processes added to the age of the shooter and the natural progressive degeneration of aging demand personal/individual stances.
The Modified Weaver is more effective for me.
"I wish I could shoot like Jelly Bryce!"
+Stephen Well spoken! :)
Hi Colleene I have a friend that, I guess you would call him a new shoot. We have been shooting three or for time. his problem is when he shoots he hits the ground in front of him.. He looks like he is milking pulling down on the gun or jerking the trigger. Do you have any tips that I could pass on to him to make him stop. I have told him about grip, stands, site alignment and site picture he says ok and still hits the ground. Thank you
I made a comment on another channel that was recommending a particular stance which was, "there's no one size fits all" in a stance. Use what works best for you.
Hey the best video describing weaver I've found on youtube so far!
Good answer!
outstanding.
Very good
Best advice? Don't fall down.
i do my heavylead stance LOL
+heavylead1961 They should add that one to the books! :)
KeepingPiece2010 LOL
What ever shoots your socks off. Pun intended 😊